Has anyone moved to a country purely due to love for the culture? How has it worked for you? Do you regret it?
Posted by Narrow-Lynx-6355@reddit | expats | View on Reddit | 108 comments
Example: moving to Australia for its coffee culture
LevHerceg@reddit
I have. And yes, it worked. I didn't realise it had other advantages too that I hadn't counted with even.
I always tell others that moving abroad should come from loving the culture there, not due to monetary reasons. I see way more disillusioned people who moved only because of the latter reason who realised they diséike the culture and the climate.
HyperbolicModesty@reddit
I see a lot of disillusioned people in Italy who moved here after a week in the Amalfi but then had to confront the reality of the worst bureaucracy in the developed world, crappy infrastructure, and taxes that devour the majority of your income.
It's mainly from the diaspora who grew up with rose-tinted tales of the old country, with no acknowledgement that things weren't all that great in the past, not that they've changed over the last century.
Don't get me wrong: I like living here, but I never had any false expectations in the first place, and secondly my enjoyment of the place is that the good just about outweighs the bad.
sokorsognarf@reddit
See also: Greece
loves_spain@reddit
See also: Spain
BitterSkill@reddit
What’s going on with Spain? I’ve heard about Italy and Greece generally but I’ve never seen Spain mentioned in the same breath.
loves_spain@reddit
The bureaucracy is insane
peterinjapan@reddit
Yes, two American friends of mine were living in Spain for several years, but they just had to leave because the bureaucracy was so bad, they literally wouldn’t renew their visa and kept asking for documents that had already been provided until the visa ran out. My friend just said, screw this place and went to Hawaii instead.
smart_cereal@reddit
That’s wild. I’ve never heard that about Spain. In Asia the bureaucracy is laughable too for foreigners. At least in Thailand and South Korea. I know in China there’s loads of rules too like going to the police station within 24 hours of arriving abroad if you’re a resident. I’m in the process of getting my second citizenship and it’s a clusterfuck experience because multiple legal entities are contradicting each other.
HappySadVoyager@reddit
Yeah lived in Italy for 5 years and that was honestly enough. No amount of amazing food and culture could keep me there. The bureaucracy was just too much. Moved to another European country and couldn’t be happier.
spaghetios@reddit
France is the same.
Dog1234cat@reddit
My stock response to Americans who want to move to Italy: in America (in general; and I’m sure the stories against that are legion) the bureaucrats want you to succeed (or at least not intentionally hinder you). In Italy/France you’re on your own against the bureaucracy.
Those who are better informed feel free to validate this or savage it as you see fit.
livsjollyranchers@reddit
Amalfi is a Disney Land. These same people should travel to a random set of southern Italian towns. The rose tint will come off right away.
godspell1@reddit
Yes, I think Italy works well if you come with some expectations about the bad, not just the good. Or if your baseline is low (aka the bad things are actually worse in your home country, while the good far outweighs nice things at home).
KTDublin@reddit
Moved to Japan, it has worked out very well, so 0 regrets!
dharmabird67@reddit
I moved to Italy, specifically Venice, back in 1992, because I had always dreamed of living there. Got along for a while teaching English and doing odd translation services. Realised although it's beautiful and quiet it wasn't the place for me long term.
argengringa@reddit
I moved to Argentina, originally from the USA. I adoooreeee the country, the people, the food. I married an Argentine so I’m here partly because of that, but we lived 8 years in the USA. I feel so much happier here, I feel like it aligns more with my values and I am more “myself” here. The economy is a mess and I haven’t figured out work yet but I really want to try and live here permanently. Been here 5 months so far.
Quirky-Camera5124@reddit
a different culture always looks better from far away rather than immersing in it.
argengringa@reddit
Not always. It takes immersing yourself in it to find out how much u love it sometimes!
Narrow-Lynx-6355@reddit (OP)
Good point
Same_Leadership4631@reddit
I come from a small village and over the last 30 years have lived on 5 continents in mega cities and in beautifull rural regions. I love learning about foreign cultures but aleays realised that you will miss people. Moving somewhere for the culture is always exciting in the beginning but after 12 months what you really need is friends, close friends. And whether you make them in the new culture or bring some old friends along or always have visitors from your pool of old friends determines whether you will be happy in the new place. Some cultures (e. g. Japan, Austria) do not offer friendship to foreigners so you will always struggle. Other countries like South America, Australia are easier to create deep connections.
Artemystica@reddit
I live in Japan and I see it all the time— people think this place is an awesome anime paradise so they move here for more of it.
But life isn’t anime at all. Some people manage to keep the rose tinted glasses on and incorporate some of the realities of daily life, and some people just leave.
PandaReal_1234@reddit
I imagine its similar in Korea - a lot of young people move to S. Korea because of their love of K.pop ad K.dramas
r_is_for_redditer@reddit
Then they just got screwed up by the fakeness of the K.things ...
Hellolaoshi@reddit
There are real things in Korea, but the fakeness is an issue.
Hellolaoshi@reddit
So, you can imagine how weird that seemed to me. I loved Korea before K.pop and K.dramas became popular internationally, and before gentrification. I am not interested in overly-commercialised corporat muzak, which is what K.pop tends to be.
Narrow-Lynx-6355@reddit (OP)
How's the infamous overworking culture
Artemystica@reddit
As always, it depends on the company, the team, the manager, and the industry.
But generally, it’s not improved, and the stereotype isn’t far off. Imo it’s a systemic problem coming from salaries— many companies pay a low base salary and then pay for overtime hours, so to have enough to save, folks have to work over time so they get that bonus. Combine that with the idea of looking busy, and you’ve got a problem.
And despite this, I meet a lot of people who move “for the culture” believing that the culture is anime and kimonos and cherry blossoms rather than suits in the summer, unfair working conditions, and alcoholism.
Narrow-Lynx-6355@reddit (OP)
By "I live in Japan", did you move there or are you a local.
Damnnnnn suits in the summer? Now that you mention it they do always wear suit, how do they even not pass out from summer heat.
Pale-Candidate8860@reddit
Discipline. Lol. Probably because they were born and raised in the weather conditions.
SweetPeony_7@reddit
I was born & raised in Texas, lived there 49 years, yet never acclimated to the heat.
Pale-Candidate8860@reddit
Born & raised in California. I love snow and rain and wish to live in such conditions for the remainder of my life. I want to move to potentially NZ at one point and will be looking at the South Island because it snows there. Haha.
misatillo@reddit
Not uncommon in Spain either. Just FYI. Depends on the job and probably less common than Japan though.
Artemystica@reddit
I probably wouldn’t be on an expat sub if I were born here ;) I moved a few years ago.
And yeah, full suits in the summer. People are just built different here, and they deal with the heat and humidity rather well. I see a few folks pass out every year, so it does happen for sure.
pikachuface01@reddit
I came to japan because I was interested in the culture.. but I didn’t come here for anime. To me this is just another country
Acceptable-Work7634@reddit
I moved to America in 2011 as a young twenty something as I was inspired by its cultural influence. I loved it
Wouldn’t so much recommend it these days…. I left in 2017
RedPanda888@reddit
I have such a weird split view of America. I spent most summers during my childhood there (went probably 10 years in a row), awed by the country as a whole. Everything was dirt cheap, NASA made me dream of the stars, Disney was mesmerizing for a kid, I loved the ocean and the wildlife and the food. From the 1990's to the early 2000's it was just THE place, everything was so aspirational. Then I didn't go for 10 years.
Now as an adult...I need to travel there next year to meet a friend and honestly I am kinda just dreading the trip. It is like all light left the place and everything is now just vicious bubbling tensions. Can't remember the last time I read anything positive about the US. Not a single news report that makes you think "damn, I wish I lived there".
Maybe I just grew up?
Momjeansmillenial@reddit
I’ve lived in the USA since I was 5 yo. I can confirm that everything up until 2017 was pretty good. I’m reading this thread because I also want to leave. It’s miserable now. You left at the perfect time.
SafeEstablishment104@reddit
Agree. I'm a 49 year old American. Been living here my whole life, but can't wait to get the f*CK out with my wife and two young kids. The American dream has turned into a nightmare for us both politically, economically and socially.
Acceptable-Work7634@reddit
I travel back to the states somewhat regularly as my wife (who I met while living there), is American.
Whilst the positive parts of America still exist, the tension that has developed there is impossible to ignore. People are mad and that tension will simmer over… hence my ticking time bomb comment
Financial_Nose_777@reddit
No, it’s definitely gone way downhill, largely because nothing has value if it can’t increase a shareholder’s profit. So everything suffers. (I was born here in the early 80s and am still stuck here. Sigh.)
No-Tip3654@reddit
Because it is less affordable and more administratevly unstable?
Acceptable-Work7634@reddit
Because it’s a ticking time bomb
ask_me_about_my_band@reddit
Agreed. I left the same year. Never going back and I was born there.
Defiant-Acadia7211@reddit
Where did you go?
ask_me_about_my_band@reddit
I'm in the Netherlands. It has its problems, but it's incredibly mild in comparison.
DA38655@reddit
My partner and I are considering a move to the Netherlands from the US as her company is HQ'd there and she manages a team in Amsterdam. Mind if I DM you about your experience?
ask_me_about_my_band@reddit
Absolutely!
sweetbeee1@reddit
I just came back from a visit to Amsterdam in November, winters are brutal, absolutely no sun, rain every day, not my cup of tea. All of the locals told me housing was waaaay overpriced and difficult to find in the city. I'm beginning to believe it's that way all over the world, to be fair.
Defiant-Acadia7211@reddit
I agree. It is a very chill place to live. I love the bike culture. Well done!
m_chutch@reddit
Yeah I came to Thailand for Buddhism, tropical life, and found the culture to be fascinating
After a couple years I realize I didn’t know anything about Thailand before coming. But I love it more with each day
kilmister80@reddit
What made you like it even more?
m_chutch@reddit
Thai people are just so chill and kind. they are generally humble, considerate, and love to have fun/be silly :)
otherwise the food rocks, never gets cold, and the social harmony is refreshing after growing up in the US. of course every country has its issues, but I think Thailand’s advantages outweigh the bad
kilmister80@reddit
Thank you for your reply. I traveled to Thailand for tourism, and while I found Bangkok a bit claustrophobic, I really enjoyed Phuket and Koh Samui. The people were extremely helpful, always with a good sense of humor and humility. The vibe was great, and I didn’t have any bad experiences with anyone I interacted with. I’m not sure, but maybe it’s the influence of Buddhism. It’s truly different—it feels like the opposite of what happens in the West, where everyone is constantly competing, 24/7.
kansai2kansas@reddit
What would you say are the biggest hurdles/shocks that were toughest to get used to, while living in Thailand?
Especially the type of hurdles that you notice are turning other expats off and cause them to move back home (or just hop to another country)
dudu-of-akkad@reddit
My dad moved around a lot so I got to live in a lot of countries growing up. Gotra way Thai and Taiwanese people are the most genuinely nice people I've ever met as a social group.
cap_oupascap@reddit
Are you learning Thai? How is that going if so?
m_chutch@reddit
yes! I’ve put a lot of work into it, at least an hour a day since arriving. I can have conversations about most variety of topics, and can understand maybe 75% when watching movies. reading is a challenge but I can get through basic books given enough time
I couldn’t talk politics or philosophy but daily life stuff is just fine now
cap_oupascap@reddit
Oh wow that’s amazing!
Few_Razzmatazz5493@reddit
I've always loved Thailand; so I decided to get my DTV, spend 6 months there and see what its really like in the long term. I here so many stories of people moving to the country they "love" to be back in a month.
Vegetable_Sale8293@reddit
i moved to Türkiye after a month of being there, i love it but it was definitely not for me
LeoKasumi@reddit
I did.
I live in Japan now.
I like quietness, order, cleanliness, punctuality, delicacy. I like working and I don't mind being 10 minutes earlier at my desk. I think it's a good practice. The same way I don't mind doing some extra hours if it's necessary.
I'm aware that all these things make Japan what it is, and this requires some personal sacrifice.
The 90% of the people who say "I love Japaaaan and Japanese cultuuuuure" are clueless. Everybody enjoys Japan, but very few people are willing to pay the price for it.
LastDitched@reddit
Could you elaborate on some of the sacrifices you’ve had to make? I’m very interested in going to college there (only like $11,000 USD compared to $50,000 for a US school), as a test for whether or not I want to live there long term.
I have US and EU citizenship, so my thought has been to go to Japan and fast track to permanent residency via the points system if I enjoyed it. Aside from language barrier, what would you say are the worst aspects of living there?
I loved Tokyo—the quietness, order, politeness, cleanliness, infrastructure, etc. Living in the US has a lot of problems, but the biggest thing for me is not getting caught up in a fantasy of some other place. Thanks
peterinjapan@reddit
Japan is great and Tokyo is great, and currently anything is super inexpensive if you’re paying in dollars or euros, because of the weak yen. That said, I’m not sure there are university opportunities for someone coming from abroad unless you speak Japanese? Like really well?
LastDitched@reddit
There are surprisingly a lot of universities there that have English programs! Many top schools, and even middle tier schools, have a few programs taught in English. I’ve already applied to a few—the prospect of getting a college degree without crippling debt is so enticing, especially as an American.
OnionTaster@reddit
USA was my dream since childhood, it was great decision but I'm glad I have a way out if I need to
peterinjapan@reddit
I’m glad it’s worked out for you so far! I love it when people take interest in my country, and I’m horrified at the current situation.
peterinjapan@reddit
I’ve always loved anime, and when I started studying Japanese, I found out was quite good at it. I came to Japan to live “for a year or so” in 1991, and I’m still going strong here.
“I love, anime, so I went to live in Japan“ sounds terribly cringe, but I was doing it before it was cool, literally. And learning Japanese fluently opened a lot of doors, allowed me to launch a couple of businesses successfully, and I’ve had a really good life here. It doesn’t work out quite so well for many, especially people who get trapped in the eikaiwa industry.
sweetbeee1@reddit
We have moved to Mexico for the culture, the people are happy, kind, and have old world social graces. Never looked back!
Narrow-Lynx-6355@reddit (OP)
I thought mexico is still dominated by cartels
sweetbeee1@reddit
No more than the US is dominated by the Mafia or street gangs.
Here's how it is, Mexicans have the ability to furnish drugs TO THEIR CUSTOMERS in the US. It's highly profitable so if you impede the operation, the financial loss is much greater than how much they value an individual life. If you are police, or a media person exposing them, or a politician promising to dismantle the operation to get elected, or anyone blocking the transport, you are in grave danger. If you're not involved in the above, you should be good. I've seen two men (in 13 yrs) whom I thought were drug addicts. There are no mass shootings at schools, shopping malls, concerts and city gatherings. There are shooting in Mexico by street gangs but that's their issues within their families and community, there are guns these days, but the guns you have in Mexico are brought in by the US. There is ONE, hear me, ONE gun store in the ENTIRE COUNTRY! It's in Mexico City and is operated by the military, it's a lengthy process to apply and be granted permission to carry a gun, and not a hand gun.
Most crimes there are petty theft to sell tools & things and get money, or road robbery, to get what you have in your wallet.
The US is getting gaslighted, Mexico is not the enemy, the US needs them, you'll see this when you no longer have their talents goods.
FrauAmarylis@reddit
We move for a cultural experience, to base travel from a different part of the world, and because we like adventure.
And, don’t tell my husband, but I like living abroad because he is much less wrapped up in US sports when we live abroad. When we are away he just reads up on the results. He doesn’t even stay up all night to watch the Superbowl here, like many Americans do. I played sports growing up and in hs, but having brothers obsessed with sports, and then obsessed with their kids playing sports, and dating people and now my husband who takes pride in being able to meet anyone in the US and talk intelligently about their team (of several sports)- My husband can walk in any BWW and take 1st place on sports trivia- it’s just too much because even though he doesn’t stay home to watch it all, he’s constantly checking the live results and he’s less present in hiking or whatever we are doing. I just noticed how much nicer it was to be in a different time zone and he’s not distracted and we don’t even have a tv.
I dislike most of US sports culture, except for some reason after moving abroad the first time, I really missed attending live baseball games. So when my husband’s job at that time sent us back (first to Hawaii, where baseball isn’t a thing), when we were in CA, we chose a house a little farther from my husband’s job, but less than 30 min from the MLB team and we started flying to AZ for Spring Training to see my childhood team and our CA team, and we saw 2-4 games per month all spring and summer.
Alternative-Ring930@reddit
It’s only gotten worse since sports betting as well
elevenblade@reddit
It’s not the only reason I moved from to Sweden but a lot of Swedish culture just naturally clicked with my own personality and values. I grew up on the west coast of the USA and frankly I feel more at home in Sweden than I do in many other parts of the USA. The Swedish social contract starts with the concept of Man ska göra rätt för sig which kind of translates as a combination of “Do the right thing” and “First, take care of your own shit”. I love the fact that being a good and humble person is valued here, that there is a belief in equality between the sexes and that people go out of their way to avoid inconveniencing others.
The respect and appreciation of nature is similar to what I grew up with. There doesn’t seem to be any question here that society has an obligation to look after the weak, poor and misfortunate. I mostly “get” the rather dry, self-deprecating Swedish sense of humor. I even really like Swedish cuisine with its husmanskost comfort food and wonderful French-influenced sauces.
So for me it’s worked out great. No regrets. But I am very aware that this is specific to me personally and that Sweden and Swedish culture are not right for many other people.
SquidTheDragon@reddit
I also moved to Sweden for very similar reasons! I first visited for 8 weeks in 2012 and everything just 'clicked', like you said. Swedes seem to be less showy and a bit more grounded than what I experienced in the US. And the way nature is so incorporated into the lifestyle, even in the big city, really suits me. I made the decision to move here the day I left for the first time. As I got old, my reasons for moving became a bit more... political. But it was very much secondary to just loving Sweden.
I also have no regrets! It's been very hard being away from my family, but I'm incredibly lucky to have their support. I do find some things a bit too different for me to fully be able to adapt to. For instance, I grew up in a very warm and loud family that centered events around cooking and sharing food, very Southern European style.That doesn't seem to be quite as common in Scandinavia. But it's something I think I would incorporate into my own family, when I have one!
Lulusmom09@reddit
Ok I love this.
My sisters and I all talk about moving to Norway. We fell in love with all things Norwegian when our grandpa took us to visit his (our) relatives before he died.
We didn’t make it into Sweden, unfortunately.
Adventurous-Guide747@reddit
You are not getting permanent residence here unless you are from the EU.
Lulusmom09@reddit
Honestly, it’s a pipe dream to move there, but we made a pact to go there to spread the ashes of each other. We need to find someone to take the ashes of the last one of the 4 of us.
Alinoshka@reddit
I wish I could be you with those damn sauces 😭 The quality of my life would improve by 10000000% if I could stomach a cream sauce.
ask_me_about_my_band@reddit
Netherlands is similar. I love the culture of personal responsibility. You hurt yourself doing something stupid? Well, you shouldn't have done something stupid. You can't sue anyone if you are an idiot.
BrokilonDryad@reddit
Yep. I lived in Taiwan 15 years ago as an exchange student. The very moment the opportunity arose that I could move back there I dropped everything and never looked back. I sold off and packed up my old life and landed in Taiwan within 3 months of the opportunity being presented. No regrets.
70ScreamingGeese@reddit
What do you love about living in Taiwan? I went to Taipei for vacation and absolutely LOVED it, but I'm curious about what it's like to actually live there.
BrokilonDryad@reddit
There’s good and there’s bad and you have to keep that in mind regarding any country. If you go in with rose tinted glasses you’re gonna be sorely disappointed once the slow needling of reality sets in.
The good: people are friendly and helpful for the most part, the country is beautiful, most people have some understanding of basic English (though I’m relearning Mandarin), the health care is great, rent is affordable (compared to Canada), it can be cheaper to eat out at local restaurants than to buy food at a grocery store, and things in general are very convenient and accessible. Oh and I make a good wage as an English teacher. I’m basing all of this in comparison to Canada, a local likely wouldn’t think things are “cheap” and I always keep that in mind so as to not be rude.
The bad: hotter than Satan’s taint and twice as sweaty for a good chunk of the year and when it’s not hot as balls it’s rainy and humid (in the north, south is different). Traffic is a game of roulette, rules are more like guidelines. No Good Samaritan laws here so if you help a person who’s been injured there’s nothing to stop them from suing you and blaming you for their injury even though, say, they were hit by a car and would’ve bled out and died if not for you putting pressure on the wound (hypothetical situation but it happens way too often). I think Taiwan is trying to change that though.
Anyway, if you have kids they’re gonna be in a hellish school system and go to school from 8am to 8pm, public and then cram schools. I try to make my classes as fun as possible so my students can have a chance to just be kids.
And this is more of a pet peeve but I find Taiwanese are often very situationally unaware. Like you’ll be walking through a busy metro and the person in front of you stops all of a sudden in a doorway to check their phone. They don’t look behind them to see if they’re in someone’s way, they don’t pull off to the side, they take up the whole damn doorway. Or you’ll walk on one of the rare sidewalks and say it’s three people wide, and a group of three are coming towards you. You’d expect one of them to drop behind to make room for you, but no. You either barrel right into them or are forced to walk on the road. I go for option one these days though it goes against every instinct for etiquette I have.
But overall I’ve never been happier than I am here. The cons are there but they don’t outweigh the good for me, not by a long shot. Your mileage may vary!
kansai2kansas@reddit
Sounds like rural Kentucky & rural Ohio to me lol, except this is while they’re on a car…blocking the damn traffic.
They would pull up next to each other on the two-lane road, rolling down their windows to chat—one idling in the opposite lane, the other in their own, not giving a damn about vehicles behind them as they talked…
Like, wtf?! Feel free to talk, just find a parking spot and talk from your car windows from there for goodness sake
lalachichiwon@reddit
Want to do this in France- I’m leaving for the airport shortly for a month-long scouting trip.
RedPanda888@reddit
Thailand. It is about as good as people think it is. Most who come never want to leave. You'd probably have to drag me kicking and screaming out of this country. No regrets. I will only be able to rest easy the day I get my passport.
tnannie@reddit
What is the political climate like? Especially women’s rights?
hindizahra@reddit
I literally moved to the UK (from France) because I'm a 90s kid who grew up with Radiohead and Harry Potter. Absolutely no regrets, I've lived here 11 years and what I got from it was obviously so much more than what I expected. I probably won't get naturalised but I'm definitely a Brit at heart :)
SeanBourne@reddit
Bit of a counterexample.
I moved to Australia (and have stayed) mainly due to my love of the beauty of Sydney - breathtaking nature and gorgeous architecture. Add in generally gorgeous weather, and this place doesn’t cease to uplift me.
The culture itself and the people is/are fine, but I have as many criticisms as I do plaudits. At the end of the day, I love the physical place much much more than the people/culture, and that’s what keeps me here.
Fit_Caterpillar9732@reddit
Yes. Was fantastic. But as an EU citizen I already had the right to live and work in my dream country.
Jen24286@reddit
I'm a Gweeb, I'm an American who loves German culture. I moved here a year ago. I love heavy metal, industrial and techno concerts and festivals. I love beer and pretzels. I also hate Trump and all the bullshit that's happening in America. Germany is a great country. No regrets.
mezuzah123@reddit
The type of culture shock one experiences is really telling for this question. I moved to the Netherlands and experiences little to no culture shock, not because there aren’t major differences between the NL and the US, but because those differences just made sense to me. It aligned with my own values and worldview. I don’t know if I could ever truly “love a culture” or say that I moved for it since human history and every culture around the world has many shades, but there’s certainly a lot of the mentality and way of life that I appreciate. Aspects of the society that can’t be easily “exported” to my home country.
lovepeacefakepiano@reddit
I moved to Ireland because I had silly ideas about rolling green hills and fluffy sheep and picturesque old houses.
I ended up loving it, even if Dublin is quite different. It helps that it’s really just a short drive away from plenty of countryside, full of the aforementioned hills and sheep and houses.
asselfoley@reddit
Yes. I made an unexpected 2 week stop in Mexico city. Before the two weeks was up, I told someone "this could be for me"
It's been almost two years.
I absolutely love it. It's the subtle day to day "cultural differences" that are most impactful for me
Catcher_Thelonious@reddit
Coffee culture?
Academic-Balance6999@reddit
My Australian friends miss the coffee culture in AUS. I am sure it’s a thing although I’ve never been there myself.
sokorsognarf@reddit
And they bang on about it constantly, it’s quite tiresome
truffelmayo@reddit
Kiwis claim the flat white originated in NZ
CuriousLands@reddit
Funnily enough, while I would say the average place's coffee in Australia is a lot better compared to my home country of Canada... I think Canada has better cafe culture overall. Cafes are often open til the evening, and you can hang out there and chat with friends for as long as you want. In Australia, they all close by 4 (and often much earlier than that) and they don't like you sitting around chatting after you've finished your food and drinks.
CptPatches@reddit
yep. The craft coffee scene in Australia is pretty well-established. But you'd have to be a pretty long-ingrained craft coffee barista to both know that and think that's a big enough reason to move to Australia.
nurseynurseygander@reddit
It's a huge thing. It came to Australia with WWII Italian immigrants. Starbucks failed in Australia because it was wildly inferior to the coffee houses they already had.
UserIDTBD@reddit
Apparently people move to Australia solely for the coffee culture. That's the best example OP could give?
Pale-Candidate8860@reddit
Lol, I was thinking the same thing. I'm sure Australia has more coffee culture than Central and South American countries.
truffelmayo@reddit
Er, Argentina (loads of Italian immigrants, if you didn’t know)?
Beautiful-Yellow-573@reddit
Maybe they meant Austria? 🤣🤣
Salty_Celebration_93@reddit
I did not moved due love. But I stayed due love, and I could not be happy there even if I loved him deeply.
Astraltraumagarden@reddit
I moved to USA. Just loved the culture of quirky mid-2000s absurdness, general progressivism, intellectuality and freedom. It’s going great. Though lately it’s becoming weird, not in a good way. Still love it though.
Affectionate_Age752@reddit
That's the dumbest reason to move for
Pale-Candidate8860@reddit
I am curious on the answers you receive. I think, ideally, most people want to move to a country where they fall in love with the culture. But I think most go based on their personal circumstances, mainly based on economic opportunities and language capabilities.