How do you know it was the right time?
Posted by Smart_Employment3393@reddit | expats | View on Reddit | 44 comments
Hey everyone! I’m an American looking to move to Mexico or some country in Latin America. I do still see some benefits in staying in the US but I’m more interested in moving. I wanted to get some general advice on what was the switch that made you realize that moving was the right choice. Was it an experience? A trip? Financials? Family? I am almost dead set on my decision but wanted to get some perspective on how others knew it was the right decision and time. Anything helps. Thanks!
Marzipan-333@reddit
I'm still debating whether to pull the trigger. Have you traveled to the place to where you are planning to move?
Brynns1mom@reddit
I'm right there with you. I just don't know what the Catalyst will be to make me jump. It's difficult with pets and that's been the main challenge.
Marzipan-333@reddit
Right now would be a good time for me & my hubby. We don't have kids or pets. We lost all our stuff in Hurricane Helene. We're renting a furnished condo for now. We haven't visited any of the places we are thinking of. We were going to plan to go to Panama City to see my friend, but we've been hearing about anti-american sentiment. Plus we are heading into rainy season. I'm thinking we travel to Panama in Nov, after the rainy season. Still nor sure what we're going.
Brynns1mom@reddit
Are you in North Carolina too?
Marzipan-333@reddit
No. I'm on the west coast of Florida.
Brynns1mom@reddit
I was born on the east side. But the Hurricanes just followed me ugh. My fiance suddenly died a few years ago and I've been grieving hard. If he were here, I would be able to do this. But being it's just me and my daughter and I'm pretty disabled, I just don't know how to even start. :-(
Marzipan-333@reddit
I'm so sorry. The hurricanes are brutal these days. We sold our house near Indian Shores but moved to a rental in Dunedin. We lost everything. It was devastating. We're now in a rental in another area until we decide where we really want to be.
Brynns1mom@reddit
Yes! So much more brutal. I did go through Hurricane Andrew in 1990 and that was a category 5. We drove an RV to North Carolina, and we had been traveling cross country. We hooked up the RV and then I felt something familiar and looked up, and asked my ex-husband if he thought it looked like a hurricane was coming too. I went in and got the rabbit ears out and turned on local news only to find that we are in the direct path of hurricane fran. It was a 29 ft travel trailer that felt like a big cigar tube with lots of loud thing slamming into it all night long. That one was even scarier than andrew! I'm so so sorry you've lost your house! OMG, are you going to get assistance through fema?
Marzipan-333@reddit
Luckily, we had sold our house months before. We were renting so we just lost our stuff and our place to live. But we found a nice furnished rental. It was just a stressful few weeks. We had to rush going through our messed up stuff because hurricane Milton was right behind Helene. It so worked out ok though.
Smart_Employment3393@reddit (OP)
Thank you for your reply and insight. I am very sorry to hear what happened to you. I have visited for short and long times in places Im considering and felt very atreactted to it but everyone is different. I hope you find the place that is best for both of y'all. Sending you good vibes!
brass427427@reddit
A good job opportunity in one of the richest countries in the world during a time of widespread unemployment in the US.
No brainer.
Pale-Candidate8860@reddit
Do it for you.
I was looking really deep into Ecuador at one point, but it was before I had a wife and child. If I didn't meet my wife in Washington, I would've moved to South America after living in the state. I gave myself the timeline of 3 years to find her and then I would leave. I found her my first 3 months, by chance. Now, I live in Canada. She sponsored me up, haha.
Brynns1mom@reddit
Brilliant:-) so I just need to find a Canadian man! I would think Canada makes it pretty easy though. Well, they have historically but who knows now. It's disgusting how they are treating Canadians.:-(
Pale-Candidate8860@reddit
Spousal sponsorships never have and never will be the target of immigration control/restrictions. Too many people, including a lot of high ranking politician's spouses in Canada. No way.
MPD1987@reddit
Got a job offer, knew that if Trump got reelected it might get to the point where borders were closed or he might do something to prevent people from leaving, so I saw the writing on the wall and I left
Brynns1mom@reddit
Why if he got reelected? He is stomping on civil rights left and right, so what if he does that during this term? I'm scared to move because of my health issues. I need a place that allows a buy-in to their Public Health Care system. And also because of my health issues, I am having such a hard time deciding, I usually give up in frustration with my untreated sleep apnea.
MPD1987@reddit
His first term, he didn’t know what he was doing, and he was surrounded by people who would curb him. I knew that it would be worse the second time around, because he wouldn’t make the same rookie mistakes he made the first time, and would get rid of anyone who told him no. And that’s exactly what has happened. I had this horrible vision of borders being closed, of being trapped in the states and not being allowed to leave. Basically I knew that if he got re-elected it would be 10x worse than the first time. I knew he would be 10x as vengeful and hellbent on revenge. I knew I had to get out as soon as I could.
Brynns1mom@reddit
Yes, it's a million times worse this go around. No adults in the room to keep him in check. How much time do you think I have until that will become a reality? I wake up feeling like a zombie and can't function with severe sleep apnea, and I'm concerned that feelings ill everyday will prevent me from proactively doing something.
MPD1987@reddit
I wouldn’t frame it as “how much time do I have”…I would frame it as “what can I do today, right now, to prepare to be able to leave?” I always tell people- do not wait until it gets bad. Start preparing now. Start looking at what skills you have in order to get a job and be able to leave. Hire a lawyer. I understand that may not be possible right now, but start taking any and all steps you can, right now. Today.
Tardislass@reddit
Have you ever been to Mexico or Latin America?
Living there isn't like taking a beach holiday and unless you have a lot of money and a good paying job or are retired, life can be more complicated there. Not being able to drink the water, the crime in certain areas and the fact that many locals will take advantage of you because you are a rich American. Not to mention, salaries are low-paying.
Please actually look into life there living day to day. Not because you went to a Mexican resort and want to live by the beach.
Smart_Employment3393@reddit (OP)
I absolutely hear that. I am Hispanic and Spanish is my native language. My mom is an immigrant and my dad is a child of immigrants. We spent every summer of my childhood in Nicaragua. We live off of one income and lived with family. While the house may have been packed I always felt at peace and would hate coming back. Now that a few years have gone by I visited CDMX and felt the same. Never did the hotel and resort stuff. And I am definitely aware that it's different to live there and visit but it's a feeling I can't shake. I think you definitely being up a great point that a lot of people don't consider. Thanks for your insight!
thethirdgreenman@reddit
Whoa...are you me? This situation is where I'm at, and working towards. Anyways, The truth is that you'll never have some magical moment that is "the right time". I've been waiting for that for a while, it probably will never come short of me winning the lottery or something like that. Like you, I see some benefits of staying (money, purchasing power, proximity to family, familiarity) and I still think about it.
At the end of the day though, I have never been happier than when I was in those countries, having spend between 3-6 months in Mexico and Argentina and having been generally very happy during that time. I've lived most of my life around plenty of people that have plenty of things, plenty of money, and yet they're miserable. And honestly, looking back at my life prior to really spending time living abroad, I'm not totally sure I wasn't miserable either. It was refreshing being around people that maybe didn't have a lot, and yet just enjoyed life, lived for the experiences, community, family, all that.
For me, I decided mid-last year when I was briefly in Argentina, I realized that I actually did want a wife, a family, I had just blocked it out of my mind because I had assumed it may not happen or be a good idea in the US. The US is kinda a country with an untethered sink-or-swim mentality. If you play your cards right and know the right people, you can be rich and live very well here. If the cards go the wrong way, you're totally screwed, no support system, nada. That works for many, but for me and my sensibilities, it's not the best fit. I want to live in a place, LatAm or otherwise, that has a better social safety net, and focuses more on community than being hypercompetitive to where everything is a competition, and everyone is competing with everyone. I can do it, but I don't want to. I plan on leaving the moment I either a) build up enough savings to go or b) find a job or some line of work that allows me to do so full time.
Smart_Employment3393@reddit (OP)
Thank you so much for this insight, I totally hear you. I am the most fed up with the culture here and the individualism and materialism that is a part of everything. Similarly, I just want to be happy. I couldn't care less about how much my clothes cost. Just want to wake up to the sound of birds and life.
nurseynurseygander@reddit
We have just recently hit this point for the second time around. (We lived as expats for a decade pre-pandemic and then had nearly five years back home). We're in the position that we can retire at home, with a reasonable lifestyle, but not with the lifestyle we can get in, well, most of the rest of the world for the money. We also don't really quite fit at home anymore after so many years living in other cultures. But because we technically can also live reasonably at home, it's taken a long time for it to brew up from a general desire, to doing some travel over a couple of years to try to decide where to go, to actually making the decision for real to go. We found our destination last year but still dithered a fair bit, because we do love our home, and our adult children love having it as a home base (and we're also moving animals, which is non-trivial).
The last straw was that my part time consulting gig looks like coming to an end, and I'm going to have to pound the pavements to look for something else if we stay. And we kind of thought, look, we have a really good, comfortable, sustainable living income from our investments if we lived in probably three quarters of the world. Really the only reason to work now is to stay right here. And as much as I do love where we are, I have made multiple happy homes for myself down the years, I can be happy lots of places, we can fly in kids to lots of places, it doesn't have to be this very nice but ordinary home, and I'm not really inclined to work anymore if I don't need to. And it just felt like, look, the cost benefit for staying just isn't there anymore.
Smart_Employment3393@reddit (OP)
Thank you for the insight, this was super helpful!
Brynns1mom@reddit
Thanks for sharing that story. Where did you choose to go and for what reason? I am concerned about traveling with my 7-year-old dog who has had four surgeries in the last 2 years on torn CCL and meniscus on each leg. She just had surgery a few weeks ago and I also have two 13 year old cats. How am I supposed to travel with them? I can't imagine putting them in the cargo of a plane and finding them covered in vomit and feces. I don't know what to do ugh do you have any suggestions?
ChimbaResearcher29@reddit
You give them up. If you want to move, elderly pets probably aren't part of that formula.
Brynns1mom@reddit
I would never give them up.
ChimbaResearcher29@reddit
I expected that response. It's hard for me to understand because I don't like having pets at all. But people say they are like their family. Good luck with however you choose to proceed. I wish you only good things.
nurseynurseygander@reddit
We chose Indonesia. It was one of several places we liked, including Thailand and Malaysia (I could have happily lived in any of them). My husband felt more affinity for Indonesia over the others because it has a lot of cultural similarity to another place nearby that we have lived before (and I felt that familiarity too, it just wasn't as critical for me). The language is also close to another language we already know and is easier for us to learn.
The other reason was quite prosaic: Indonesian premium housing is much closer to what we're used to. Australian homes have big rooms, big outdoor living spaces, etc. A prestige apartment in Malaysia will have floor to ceiling amazing light-drenched windows, but very rarely a balcony. I can't imagine living without at least a balcony or courtyard. I know those sorts of places also have communal green spaces, but you can't easily share those with your cats, and you can't go out there in your nightclothes with your morning coffee!
I really relate to the pet thing. For what it's worth, I've sent my cats by cargo four times. Only one of those times did they come out with faeces (ironically after a short domestic flight, so I guess that was just bad luck/timing) and none came out with vomit. The cargo hold scares any sane pet parent, you want someone there watching over them I know, but it is less awful than people think. It's not the same section as the suitcases, and it's the same temperature as the passenger section. Humans travel in cargo occasionally (racehorses can have attendants). And if your cat or dog did have some sort of abruptly life-threatening event out of the blue, it's likely to be from an underlying condition, like heart trouble, it likely would have killed them the next time anything scared them anyway, and they probably couldn't be saved no matter who was there. I know that won't comfort you one iota if it happens, but in terms of the risk, yeah.
The bigger risk is mishaps and delays on the tarmac, rather than the cargo hold - heat stress can kill perfectly healthy animals. But that can be reduced considerably by choosing right time of day and combination of flights. It's really important that you talk to a logistics firm if you're doing anything other than a direct flight, and probably even then. They know which layover countries are good, and which flights will/won't leave them on the tarmac in the heat. There are countries and airlines that care for animals, countries and airlines that care about rich travellers who care for animals, and countries and airlines you wouldn't trust with an ant farm. The logistics firms can't tell you which is which without being sued, but they can and do silently work around them and make better suggestions instead.
To be honest, even if they did have a rough time in transit, in most countries you won't see them like that anyway. Most countries with any sort of inspection regime will take direct custody of them from the plane, inspect them (cleaning them up in order to do so), and then release them to you. Good layover countries will also give them a rest stop, feed, and clean up at that country's quarantine if they have a change of plane there - Singapore does it by law for any animal transiting over six hours from memory, and I believe Dubai has a care arrangement with a large local kennel/cattery for overnight transit stops.
Quarantine is a much harder variable to manage, where it applies, especially for animals with medical needs. Again, a logistics firm can help, they usually have contacts that regular people don't. You might be able to get them to agree to let you send in a vet to see them, say. I have sent in a vet once to quarantine - I can't say it was really overly helpful in that particular case, but as a process it would have been solid for managing a chronic-health concern (you just have to stress it isn't a communicable disease). Some countries will unofficially allow home quarantine, especially for an elder animal, if the animal is from a low risk country/vaccinated/etc, and you will not find that written officially anywhere, but the logistics firms will know if it's possible.
Brynns1mom@reddit
Thank you so much for this!
photogcapture@reddit
You get them vetted and you move your furry friend with you! There are vets who are certifired to give your furry family member the paperwork to allow you to move them. It is a process that starts prior to departure. Please don’t leave them, they bond and love deeply and are often lost when their family leaves them.
Shooppow@reddit
We came into a bit of money and knew it was then or never. Also, we had been planning to leave already, but never had the funds. So, when we did, we got the hell outta Dodge!
BluWorter@reddit
I've been hopping back and forth to my farms in Central America for years now. I still don't know if I would ever move there full time. I got to retire early and I've been working on projects for my family. I'm building a house in town now. Maybe that will provide a solid enough spot to consider living there? I am able to get a lot more done down there. Lots of plusses like food, cost of living, and climate. Feels like I want to spend longer durations down there but still be able to have the best of both.
Brynns1mom@reddit
Where in South America have you visited that you thought would be a good place to move to? I'm thinking of Mexico but I've had so much going on I haven't had time to do a lot of research on quality of life.
BluWorter@reddit
Years ago my family did a lot of research from Mexico down to Columbia. We have been going to Nicaragua since 2006. We bought our first farm in 2007 right when the property values were really getting inflated, right before the market crashed. I bought two more farms a few years later and then a couple of years ago I bought a lot in town to build on. The farms are out on the remote miskito coast at False Bluff.
Professional-Box376@reddit
There is something in every country to love. Don’t fall into wanting the best of both. Best wishes.
Mr_Lumbergh@reddit
In the back of my head I knew I was trying to hold on to both places. When my immigration guy informed me that I was unlikely to get another extension on my ability to return, it was time to go ahead and pull the trigger.
Catcher_Thelonious@reddit
I was 27, no family of my own, nothing to tie me to my place, and had a job offer in Japan. Who wouldn't?
Brynns1mom@reddit
Sorry about not having family. I don't either other than the daughter I created. I've been an orphan for a long time. My cousin lives in Spain and sometimes will say hi, and when she was living in japan, I went to visit. What an amazing place and culture! I truly fell in love. My biggest worry though is that I couldn't pick up japanese. It seems so difficult.
Catcher_Thelonious@reddit
I'm sorry but it seems you've misunderstood. "no family of my own" means no spouse or children. My parents were very much living at that time.
Japanese is not easy but in some ways it's becoming easier for foreigners in that the increase of non-Japanese speakers is forcing Japanese speakers to accommodate Japanese pidgins.
HVP2019@reddit
I moved for personal reasons: to be with my foreign partner.
My close friend moved because of a job offer.
One of my relatives left home country because of war
My former neighbor, an immigrant from Croatia moved back to Croatia after living abroad for 30 years.
Immigration can be cheap or expensive. It can be very logically and mentally taxing, but it can be relatively easy.
I have no regrets about moving to US. I love my location, I like locals, I integrated well.
Brynns1mom@reddit
What country did you move from? Where in the US did you choose? Each state is so so different. I once took an 8-month RV trip with my husband and drove from one Coast to the other and stopped everywhere along the way. It was amazing and so I opening!
kiefer-reddit@reddit
Not sure you ever really can. Sometimes life just pushes you down a path and you don’t realize it until you’re already walking down it.