What do you think about EU asking western balkan countries to introduce visas?

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RB-44@reddit

Putting Serbia into the EU when so many of them are pro Russian is like asking for another vote against the interests of Europe.

Not to mention they're a dictatorship the fact remains the serbian population is largely pro russian and even if they became democratic the chances of them electing a pro russian candidate is very likely.

Yes! Fuck the bullshit of having to follow the rules of the club you want to join!

Yess!!! Fuck it! Fuck the rules! Fuck the club too!

Then don't join the club. Serbs. Stay out.

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loleenceee@reddit

If we truly get to enter the EU then I am okay with it. But if we make it harder for the 3 biggest tourist groups (🇨🇳🇷🇺🇹🇷)to eneter Serbia for nothing… then we are as dumb as a rock.

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agent218@reddit

Bro we are NEVER entering the EU I can bet my house on that.. We made negligible progress for over 10 years.

Even if we somehow met all their requirements (which is never going to happen) the last one would be recognizing Kosovo as independent..

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2AM_Walk@reddit

Our country is real, internationally recognized, and has a deep, well-documented history. In contrast, your so-called 'country' lacks recognition, and its people's history is constantly rewritten to fit an agenda of appropriation.

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Calm_Tale1111@reddit

Thats the problem for you, you think history starts when you arrived in the Balkans but you also forget that there were people there before you. Yep the Albanians, so try go behind the year zero in serbian history and you will see plenty of others

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Future-Birthday-1573@reddit

Yeah fairytales written on toilet paper that’s all you have 😂 made up mixed slavicized Albanians that’s what you are, but we don’t entertain you no more

You are wrong there. Kosovo is "USA baby", and they want it whole as a matter of principles. If they only winked about splitting it, it would happen very smoothly, without any conflict. Yeah, many Serbs and many Albanians would be pissed off, and then tomorrow they'd be back to their factory lines with lame foreign bosses and minimum wages.

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EarthObvious7093@reddit

I also think that it will effectively lead to armed conflict if you do try to make any new border.

Definitely. But the hypocrisy is interesting.

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freaxje@reddit

I hope that exchanging a certain amount of land between both sides will result in a lasting solution.

With I don't think we are there yet, at all.

Perhaps in a hundred years? That's my own closest estimate.

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slava-ua@reddit

I’m from the east of Ukraine and no, most people don’t want to live in ruSSia

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freaxje@reddit

I personally am not against Crimea joining Russia. In fact, I think it already happened.

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slava-ua@reddit

it wasn’t joined , it was occupied and annexed

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SuccessfulResist6385@reddit

Kosovo people don't want to be Serbs.

A few corrections and additions here: - Albanians from Kosovo don't want to be Serbs which completely makes sense. - Albanians from Kosovo don't want to be part of Serbia which is probably understandable. - Serbs from Kosovo don't want to be part of a country called Kosovo, but Serbia. - Serbs from BiH don't want to be part of BiH but Serbia.

I still don't know why this is asked from the countries before they even have a confirmation that they will indeed join the EU soon.

It takes 18 months from the decision to the actual inclusion and this should be a requirement when you're sure you will join at a set date.

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Slow_Independence714@reddit

This is not about joining the EU. It’s a requirement from the new Growth Plan, which Bosnia also signed last December. Basically, the more we align to the EU rules, the more EU advantages we will get without joining (we wont join obviously).

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Tenchi_Muyo1@reddit

As dümb as Monkedonia 🇲🇰*

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Romeo_y_Cohiba@reddit

Tourism is a marginal sector in Serbia, we are neither Croatia nor Montenegro. It contributes like 2% of GDP. Also, Turks are indeed the largest group but 2nd and 3rd spot is Romania and Bosnia.

I would very much trade Chinese investments as BYD battery and car factory in Hungary and making Serbia attractive in that area(which EU brings) for Chinese tourists.

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Sad-Notice-8563@reddit

Tourism is only great when it's a small part of the GDP, but it is a very nice industry with high profit margins and a good source of foreign currency. We should work to increase tourism as a percent of the GDP because it's only 2% now so gains should be easy, not strangle it with moronic policy because it's already small.

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pear_666@reddit

As long as Serbia has its current government, there is no real possibility of joining the European Union. In addition, the Kosovo issue remains unresolved (regardless of which side one supports – it's simply a fact), and may require a solution similar to the Cyprus model.

There's also another important aspect we need to consider: the EU's capacity to admit new members. We're currently struggling to implement a coherent foreign policy due to obstruction by countries like Hungary and Slovenia — so it's questionable whether the EU is ready to deal with a third veto player.

the EU isnt forcing anything... if you want into the EU you need to implement it, if you dont want in dont implement it. idk where exactly is the forcing lmao

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CloudsAndSnow@reddit

You have to figure out if you want to join the Schengen area or not (not the EU, that's a different topic). If you don't want to there's no point to doing this harmonization, and if you do there's no point in NOT doing it because a Schengen area with different visa policies makes zero sense. Why do you perceive this as being "forced"? It seems a like a pretty straightforward case to me.

Btw my country (Switzerland) has no interest in joining the EU but we did Join Schengen and I think it was a good call.

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Stverghame@reddit

Why are people so lazy to read the whole convo before giving their opinion?

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CloudsAndSnow@reddit

My point being if you believe aligning the visa policies is detrimental to Serbia what's the point of joining the Schengen at all? In other comments you say "we can align right before joining the EU" which is not the same question at all. This was a very long debate in my country and I wanted to learn more on how Serbia is going about it but it's ok if you don't want to discuss it or don't know the answer. Have a nice day.

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Stverghame@reddit

My point, if you could read, is that we are not even close to Schengen and that it is illogical to implement this now if we have no benefit of Schengen. It should be done in final phases. Jesus Christ, I asked you to read before commenting, and you avoided it yet again.

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agent218@reddit

True. We started the integration in 2009 and made 0 progress. We are never joining the EU.

Yes. I'm also popcorning this one here from Belgium.

Exactly , wtf , THEY left , they don't get to keep the benefits of EU outside the EU, what are these people smoking ?! If you are out of EU you get treated exactly like a country out of EU .

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MegaMB@reddit

We weren't. Some members certainly were a bit more than others on certain topics, and the UK, as no longer a member, is also no longer a country whose interests are european priorities on the same level as a member. That's it. Are you made the EU put irish or french priorities above those of the UK, no longer a union member?

I mean, if you want to continue treating Croatia or Slovenia as yugoslave members when they no longer are that, you do you.

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Comfortable-Cry8165@reddit

Don't forget us, you are one of the favorite spots to visit in Europe because of headache-less travel process.

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rakijautd@reddit

I won't dispute what you said about Romanian corruption, as I know very little about it.
If joining the EU is going to help our politicians to get even richer, as would be the conclusion from the info you provided, for me that is just another reason not to join, on top of surrendering any remnant of sovereignty that we have left.

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ComprehensiveTax7@reddit

In the corrupt East Euro country I view the loss of sovereignty as a positive thing. There are limits on what the corrupt can do.

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rakijautd@reddit

To each their own I guess. I don't view a loss of sovereignty of anyone as a positive thing.
Not to mention that it is laughable and naive to think that only east Europe is corrupt.

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timisanaLugoj@reddit

Well, I just wanted to say that everything depends on the politicians. If they want to build a better country, they can get funds for that. But if they want to steal, EU cant stop them. They already have Hungary. They dont need another rebelious country, so they're more lenient to internal corruption. You dont see Ursula breaking down what country actually achieved what they promised to do. She knows, some countries are money sinks.

Mate, Serbia is a dictatorship. Citizens have absolutely no say in what will be aligned with EU. It’s probably the most corrupt country in EU, maybe with exception of Moldova. Do you really think a dictator would try to join the Union where his power would be limited?

And also EU is kind of his accomplice, there’s video evidence od him stealing in elections, EU had congratulated him for the “win”. EU has condemned Turkey and Georgia governments, supporting the protests, while in Serbia, even though people are protesting for the same reason, EU has stayed silent. So consequently, support to join EU from Serbia citizens has dropped to new low of 42%.

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RedFin3@reddit

It is likely to happen, but it will take a few years.

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spooky-Dragonfruit1@reddit

What makes you say that? Serbia has not closed any chapters for more than 6 years. For most of those which are open, Serbia has actually regressed instead of progressing.

Some other Serbs: ...

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DDzxy@reddit

Because EU is a shadow of its former self, the same fucking EU people in power perfectly fine with us having this dogshit leader and don’t give a shit about us. I was for joining before but now? Fuck that.

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deaddyfreddy@reddit

Because EU is a shadow of its former self, the same fucking EU people in power perfectly fine with us having this dogshit leader

nije sloba kriv

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Osstj7737@reddit

That’s not gonna happen tho. Why do trivial shit that brings us no benefit and just has the potential to ruin our relationship with otherwise friendly countries?

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MegaMB@reddit

That's a very good question given that most union members are pretty convinced the serbs want to get in to backstab the EU.

Which, you know, would be understandable. Most EU members took more or less dorectly part in the bombing of Belgrade that killed 10 000's of people.

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One-Act-2601@reddit

Your government thinks it's going to happen. It's something you have to sort out with them. e.g. if they're delusional, elect another government. If you don't, get mad at your fellow countrymen.

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Badeer21@reddit

Dear God no.

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I would day don’t trust EU as ukraine did.

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alpidzonka@reddit

They can ask anything they want and we can choose to comply or not, and then they can decide whether they're letting us in or not. In this case, I don't think we should comply.

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freaxje@reddit

Yes that's fine. Also forget about ever being in the Shengen area then.

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By what logic Serbia will get Schengen earlier than BG/RO? There is zero chance countries like Netherlands or Austria or Baltics would allow "Russian tojan horse" in EU let alon Schengen.

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Stverghame@reddit

Oh please, don't tell me EU views Norway and Switzerland the way it views Serbia. Surely we have a chance at joining Schengen earlier than EU. This isn't even remotely funny.

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freaxje@reddit

It's all up to you Serbs what you want.

The EU is mostly about economics and justice. You'll need to acknowledge all of the EU's economic/business related rules. And you'll need the accept that all of the final arbitration of all that happens in the EU courts of justice. Not in your own country's courts.

Because a company in let's say France doesn't want to have to know fucking Serbia's local laws just so it can do business with a Serbian company. No. Absolutely not.

EU law applies. Always. With nearly zero exceptions. That means final arbitration of it all, is in the EU courts of justice.

Schengen on the other hand is for traveling. It's for people. If Serbia wants to make it easy for its civilians to travel to the Schengen Area, then it needs to accept all of the rules as agreed with all other Schengen Area members.

If Serbia doesn't want to agree with anything at all. Then Serbia remains where it is now. Isolated. Completely. Nobody really cares. Except Serbs.

We can draw a picture for you too by the way. But it wont change how it works.

Also. Serbian propaganda wont change it either. Serbian politicians certainly wont change it.

You definitely can't change the EU from outside of the EU. It's a consensus model. So even Orban also ain't changing the EU much from within. Although he certainly has some influence. Not much.

You need consensus within the entire EU, to change anything at all.

It also doesn't have to be funny by the way.

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SuccessfulResist6385@reddit

Your view is "Here are the rules, you comply and you get in". I believe most Serbs have a different view, "I would like to join EU and I am ready to make changes, but what if we comply and not become part of EU". Having visa free regime with these countries is definitely a nice advantage. And it is not the only advantage we will need to sacrifice so we MAY become part of EU. Macedonia changed its name, Albania loves EU more then any EU country (doing everything EU says) and both are not getting any closer.

Also, in my view, the current government is not doing a good job presenting the purpose and advantages of EU to its people, neither they are capable of negotiating any good deals with EU. The common narrative is "We give up on Kosovo to get into EU" and people get immediately angry. We are somehow missing a point that EU is not about getting a job in the West, but about a creating piece among European nations (that's going pretty well for now).

But let's be realistic, EU letting us join is not only about complying the policies. EU has a certain image of us, mostly drawn during 1995 and 1999. Its people consider us killers and don't like an idea of us sharing borders. Likewise, we have certain image of West drawn as result events like NATO bombing in 1999 or Croats devistating Serb population in concentration camps in WW2. I can understand rage from both sides (usually depicted in Reddit comments).

All of this is not answer to your comment, but rather to give a little more of our perspective.

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freaxje@reddit

I understand this.

It is what it is.

So how can we overcome it?

ps. The EU is not about getting a job. It's about becoming more like Germany.

ps. Lately the EU is also about rebuilding a European army. For which we need to be less like Germany. Even Germany is going to increase its debt levels to achieve this. To be like Germany always meant not to have a lot of government debt.

ps. The EU is a consensus. Where there is no easy way to determine what weight matters most to achieve that consensus. Although public outcry seems to have a significant effect on it (climate change, covid-19, rearm europe where all huge contributors to EU's policy changes).

ps. Germany is really influential on the EU. So is France. So is Italy. So is ..

ps. ps.

ps. ps. ps.

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SuccessfulResist6385@reddit

So how can we overcome it?

I hope there are smarter people in power than us who have a solution.

What you, me, and regular people can do is to have more empathy and less (passive) aggression.

Also, I would appreciate your support for political parties in Serbia willing to bring media freedom and rule of law. Given the huge ongoing protests it may be a great moment.

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freaxje@reddit

I support those parties.

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freaxje@reddit

ps. The longer I make my comments, the more down votes I get. The shorter, the more up votes I get.

This is silly of course. And it shows how little the Redditors here on AskBalkans try to think.

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Stverghame@reddit

You are missing the point Mister Passive Agressive. My goal/intention is not to change EU/Schengen rules, nor to avoid them. I could ask you to read my comments again, but I see it is futile, so I'll just give up.

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freaxje@reddit

I think the timing for Serbia to join the EU is fiercely complicated by the problems with Kosovo. I doubt that without a solution for that, neither is joining anything.

I don't know if that answers your question or not.

Bulgaria and Romania waited 20 years to get in Shengen I presume Serbia will need to wait at least 30 by then the world politics will be much different than now especially with China's growth and US not paying EU's bill anymore. Also Monkedonia and Albania implemented all the policies EU wanted of them and they are still nowhere near EU membership (both of them waiting around 30 years now)

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freaxje@reddit

The 'problems' with Serbia joining the EU, or, Schengen, can be quickly resolved the moment it constructively helps solving the Kosovo problem.

After that it's about signing a bunch of documents, implementing huge quantities of EU laws (yes, huge huge quantities). Agreeing with things that are nearly impossible for the current Serbian leadership to agree with (like acknowledging the European courts of justice). Which comes down to instructing local media channels to say for a few weeks that it's a good thing. Propaganda does magic.

Nothing is as easy to replace than the current leadership of any country. Go ask the nice people at the CIA how that works.

Maybe, for Serbia, it'll be the nice people at The Kremlin? As part of a Ukrainian peace agreement between Trump and Russia perhaps?

You sell me a cow. I will sell you a sheep. We just need to agree in what currency we'll do it.

People can down vote me to -200 for saying this. But at the same time, Balkan people should by now know very well that I am right about how this shit really works.

Timing has less to do with it than you think. Ukraine can also very suddenly join the EU, if we can believe queen Ursula Von Der Leyen. I typed her name in full, so the angry people get really angry.

rakijautd@reddit

Russia has all the resources one would need to import.
China is the production powerhouse of the world that overtook EU in real economy by a large margin.
Cutting all possible ties and economic cooperation with those two countries, because some bureaucrat in Brussels wants so for whatever agenda they are paid to push, is surrendering any form sovereignty for the benefit of someone else, without getting much, if anything.
Not to mention the geopolitical aims of EU leadership that envision smaller eastern countries to be sent to die against whatever "threat" they hallucinate about from the east, or for the Balkans to be the dumping ground for the "unfit" immigrants, or for the vision of Serbia becoming an ecological disaster so that west European car producers can pretend that they can compete with China in EV industry.
As for Turkey we need good economic cooperation for crucial resources that are coming through a southern route mostly. They are an important country for transit that connects numerous regions and funnels them into south east Europe and the Mediterranean sea.
The EU was a good concept, until it stopped being so when corrupt bureaucrats started caring about their own pockets, and started treating members as servants.
If the EU leadership wants good for their own people and members, they should accept reality and start working with all of these countries, otherwise the EU itself is going to stay way behind the rest of the world.

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MegaMB@reddit

I mean... No judgement there, but if Russia produces the raw materials and China transforms them, that leaves the serbs with little to nothing economically, outside bankrupting yourselves into buying chinese goods. What makes you wealthy is producing in Serbia and exporting elsewhere. Not sure serb companies can produce and export with the malus to Russia, China. Rukey is a more credible trading partner.

'Cause you know. Geography is a reality Serbia has to face.

But it is pretty funny that the idea Serbia's import and export markets with Romania, Greece, Croatia, Austria or Bulgaria are that marginal. EU members are 63% of your exports, and 56% of your imports.

No judgement for the refusal of the mines in Serbia, if you can continue a bit longer the time for us in France to fully establish our mines and battery production instead of Hungary, it'd be nice. We need those jobs.

And trade with Turkey is a fine idea, but it's still pretty hard by flight. And they kinda are a negligeable export market for Serbia.

This is outrageous and ridiculous! One more reason to take to the streets and support the students!

Kaamos_666@reddit

That’s so weird man, Turkey’s the opposite. Listed companies increase. That sounds real bad… https://www.ceicdata.com/en/turkey/borsa-istanbul-number-of-listed-companies-and-nominal-value/listed-company-borsa-istanbul-number-of-companies

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Tenchi_Muyo1@reddit

Well now 80% of the products in Europe comes from Türkiye and China because of cheap workforce, if Türkiye gets into EU the whole EU is doomed because there will be no more cheap but still acceptable quality stuff. Now EU technological components all come from China they just assemble them in EU

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geniuslogitech@reddit

my cousin is manager in Hisense now, former Gorenje, I can vouch for what u/Tenchi_Muyo1 is saying about how EU is fcking up trade with China just to then sell companies to China, 1st way EU citizens profit, 2nd way corrupt politicians profit from big bribes

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Thortheonly1@reddit

Yea this is true. My country Montenegro introduced visas to Qatar, Bahrein and Egypt.

As of January 1st 2026 we will most likely introduce visas for Russia, Belarus, Ukraine, Turkey, Azerbaijan, Armenia, Arabia and UAE.

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Stelist_Knicks@reddit

I never understood why Qatar Kuwait and Oman have visa requirements. Does the EU really think their nationals (which are very few btw) would over stay their visas?

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Reading the article. They admit it isn't anything related to migration patterns. And that security risks are moderate and can be easily mitigated.

It could be a Muslims bad thing. But UAE has visa free access.

And as for human rights, the UAE is the same as Qatar, Kuwait, Saudi, etc.

My guess is this: UAE is an ally of Israel. Qatar and Kuwait are openly not allies of Israel. That's it.

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Djlas@reddit

Eh IMO people seriously overestimate its importance, Israel doesn't live rent free in everyone's head.

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I would say they are populist political gang which for me is the same as radicals. I know right wing yes but with heavy conservative and nationalistic ideology is the best atribute for a gang.

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Ok_Exit_9441@reddit

Highly unrealistic

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hikingmaterial@reddit

There is a lot more to EU membership than visa regulation alignment and it is unlikely that the EU will continue to expand as rapidly as it has before. There are significant problems with countries that join stopping their reforms after, which needs to be resolved first before further accession.

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Markomannia@reddit

Wow, let'smake Serbian passport and tourism even weaker.

And get nothing in return.

Best deal ever.

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zzgamma@reddit

The day Schengen drops border between Croatia and Serbia will be historic.

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Super-Ant2417@reddit

But, why!? No country from the Western Balkans will join the EU anytime soon. Like, for at least a decade or two.
There's no need for any changes to conform to EU rules.
Once the EU is serious about the enlargement process, they can knock on the door again and Serbia and other countries waiting in the line can apply these changes before entering the EU.

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Ok_Exit_9441@reddit

They will all join the time when EU is gonna be in it's downfalls.

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ZhiveBeIarus@reddit

Buy_from_EU-@reddit

Cause people were racist to you and you didn't belong so you talk shit about your host country as result and its society. Like most immigrants basically, you are not special

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CriticalHistoryGreek@reddit

We Greeks aren't racist to Serbs lol.

Some-Sense-314@reddit

You dont even know what you are talking about.

Macedonia is has the most EU-aligned visa policy among the WB countries. They only have to introduce visas for Turkey and they will be fully aligned (Croatia, for example, introduced visas for Turkey in 2013, 3 months before joining the EU).

Bosnia also started aligning its policy in 2022 by introducing visas for citizens of Cuba, Oman, Bahrein and Saudi Arabia. Azerbaijan, China, Turkey, Russia, Kuwait and Qatar are remaining.

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Super-Ant2417@reddit

Macedonia introducing visas for Turkey would be suicidal for its tourist industry.
Also, Macedonia will not become an EU member for like 15-30 years, so there's no need to self-stab in the back just now.

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Aggressive_Limit2448@reddit

Those countries are incompatible with the EU in any sense.

darksugarfairy@reddit

Violence is not the solution to anything!

(just don't open any history book to check this)

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TwoZealousideal5698@reddit

😂😂😂 To be honest i am not for violence overall, but here in Serbia there is no other way, they dont care people protest, they even secretly like them all being in big groups so they can track them easier while they steal even more money

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Subject-Afternoon127@reddit

Most Serbs I know have the same mindset as those from genocidal era. I don't see why it would be beneficial to the EU to add a more communist and poorer version of Hungary. It makes no sense, IMO.

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SecretRaspberry9955@reddit

What you on about man? Unless you mean the schengen village, Romania & Bulgaria been in EU for 20 years before they joined Schengen

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freaxje@reddit

Yes, as I say: it's independent. Schengen area is about free movement of people.

The Schengen Area (English: /ˈʃɛŋən/ SHENG-ən, Luxembourgish: [ˈʃæŋən] ^(ⓘ)) encompasses 29 European countries that have officially abolished border controls at their common borders. As an element within the wider area of freedom, security and justice (AFSJ) policy of the European Union (EU), it mostly functions as a single jurisdiction under a common visa policy for international travel purposes. The area is named after the 1985 Schengen Agreement and the 1990 Schengen Convention, both signed in Schengen, Luxembourg.

In fact the people who bring up EU membership for Serbia, are on the wrong track. If this is about visa regulations, Schengen area is what matters. Not EU membership.

EU is an economic zone:

The European Union (EU) is a supranational political and economic union of 27 member states that are located primarily in Europe.

It's not my fault that Serbs are obsessed with EU membership and make every topic be about that.

This is about Schengen area. Just go read up on the simple facts.

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Indeed. Nobody is asking Serbia anything at all. They can comply to a variety of rules that Shengen area members all also comply to. Or they don't.

Latter case they aren't in Shengen area. Former they can be.

For the EU membership there are a few million more rules to comply with. They can ask Poland how that works: among them, you need to recognize the European courts. Which I'm certain Serbs will never want to recognize.

That is fine. Then they wont be part of the EU. Meanwhile they can be part of Shengen area. But not if these set of absolute minimal rules on for example visa regulations aren't put in place.

That is fine. They they wont be part of the Shengen area.

That is all fine.

Nobody is asking the Serbs anything.

Serbs here can also stop pretending that anybody is asking them anything. Or that they would even be welcome.

Because there is this Kosovo thing. Which is very hard going to be agreed on with A LOT of existing EU countries.

milfshake146@reddit

Kakve to ima veze sa vizom 🤣

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freaxje@reddit

This stuff goes further and without this also keeps Serbia forever out of Shengen area.

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Travelmusicman35@reddit

As if Croatia does

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Individual-Cream-581@reddit

Well well well.. licking putler ballz doesn't pay as good as it used to..

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freaxje@reddit

Everybody: Visa regulations -> Schengen area. Not EU membership.

The Schengen Area (English: /ˈʃɛŋən/ SHENG-ən, Luxembourgish: [ˈʃæŋən] ^(ⓘ)) encompasses 29 European countries that have officially abolished border controls at their common borders. As an element within the wider area of freedom, security and justice (AFSJ) policy of the European Union (EU), it mostly functions as a single jurisdiction under a common visa policy for international travel purposes. The area is named after the 1985 Schengen Agreement and the 1990 Schengen Convention, both signed in Schengen, Luxembourg.

The European Union (EU) is a supranational political and economic union of 27 member states that are located primarily in Europe. Source.

You don't need to be in a political and economic union to have common visa regulations or policy. For that you have the Schengen area.

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Ecclypto@reddit

This is a weird post because in the end it says that these countries need to introduce visa requirements too, but not that Serbia needs to introduce visa requirements on them.

What Serbia needs, in my opinion, is investment, primarily in physical capital that can be used to generate export revenue. And a massive cut back on government’s ability to fuck shit up for businesses

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Protobugarin@reddit

All of that just to open some irrelevant chapter.

Fuck yeah

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Ok_Dentist_1998@reddit

This is share stupidity, 90% of these countries have more much money then we do. Nobody wants to stay in Serbia.. Turkey? Come on..

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Comfortable-Dot-5764@reddit

EU needs Serbia or at least its resources, they will have a blind eye for this