Russia appears increasingly close to having zero sympathy or trust in the EU and western leaders
Posted by Affectionate-Ad-1062@reddit | EndlessWar | View on Reddit | 29 comments
WalnutNode@reddit
Russia is correct. They've been relentlessly manipulated for decades. The west went too far with Ukraine and lost a war with Russia. After being burned so many times it would be idiotic for Russia to fall into the same trap again.
craftymethod@reddit
Could also say Russia went to far with Ukraine. Denouncing the entire countries existence and they can't even capture much of the country.
WalnutNode@reddit
Russia's war goal isn't to take over Ukraine. That comes from the west fear mongering. Russia wants the ethnically Russian parts of the country. They may also demand a buffer zone with Ukraine since Ukraine invaded Russia.
craftymethod@reddit
bullshit. I have a bridge in Germany to sell you if you believe they do not intend to control eastern ukraine if not more.
WalnutNode@reddit
I misspoke I meant western Ukraine, I fixed it in my post. They do want the border regions of Eastern Ukraine to make the land bridge, and some sort of DMZ against Ukraine invading Russia again. They probably also want Odessa but that isn't possible militarily.
TarasBulbaNotYulBryn@reddit
Odessa is very possible. And in fact once Odessa is liberated that stops majority of weapons flow to the ukronazis.
citizensparrow@reddit
Found the Muscovite.
TarasBulbaNotYulBryn@reddit
What are you on about? Did you not read the rules of this sub?
citizensparrow@reddit
Is being called a Muscovite an insult? Odesa does not need liberation. It is currently held by the nation to which it belongs.
TarasBulbaNotYulBryn@reddit
You are name calling someone for no reason. That's like calling you a Jap when you are Chinese. It is meant to be divisive and is against the rules of this sub.
Odessa is spelled with two ss just like it's builders and founders named it. And it will be free from nazi occupation just like it got freed 80 years ago from the same nazi scum.
Even the EU agrees the nazis are occupying Odessa and mass murdered Odessa citizens on May 1st in 2014.
So lets hear your apologies and excuses for the nazis now.
citizensparrow@reddit
Not at all. Muscovite is the word for those from Muscovy and those who carry that blighted city's sympathy. I do not say Russian when I speak of ethnicity because it is a lie from mad old Ivan and Petya the westernizer.
Odesa is the name Sophie Anhalt called it because she wanted to pretend she and her German offspring, wholly unrelated to the Rurikids and the house of St. Volodymyr. It was originally a Lithuanian port filled with Ukrainians. But what is history to the Muscovites but a means to lie about themselves and consider themselves blameless.
That is not what the EU said at all. I challenge you to read the report honestly.
citizensparrow@reddit
It comes from Putin's 2021 ultimatum. He may not want total territorial control, but he does want political control over Ukraine and the former Warsaw states.
Anton_Pannekoek@reddit
There's been an extraordinary revision of history. People have forgotten that it was the Soviet Union that won WW2. They have been trying to systematically erase that fact and it's succeeding.
citizensparrow@reddit
Google US lend lease to Soviet Union. They did not win WW2.
Gratedfumes@reddit
So the Germans weren't fighting a war on three fronts? And didn't the easten and western forces make it to Germany within about a week of each other?
It's just as short sighted and egotistical to say that the USSR single handily 'won' the war as it is to say that the USA 'won' the war single handily.
Anton_Pannekoek@reddit
80% of the fighting was on the Eastern front, the Germans dedicated most of their army there. You can't really compare the battles on the Eastern front with the Italian campaign, Normandy campaign etc.
craftymethod@reddit
Did solving the enigma code not have an impact?
Anton_Pannekoek@reddit
It did but it doesn't take away from the fact that most of the actual fighting was done by the Soviets.
craftymethod@reddit
It's still a Steam effort if someone gets the most goals in a sports game yeah.
Anton_Pannekoek@reddit
It was a team effort. I just think the contributions by the Soviet Union and China are way underrated.
Gary_sinnfield@reddit
You are correct the vast majority of fighting was in the East in the final 3-4 years of the war, and the majority of German casualties occured in the East. However, the fighting on all of the fronts was still crucial to victory, without fighting in the West, Africa, and Southern Europe, and the absolutely massive lend-lease shipments that the USSR received from Western powers especially at the beginning of operation Barbossa it would have lasted far longer and been far far more costly for the USSR which already suffered the most of any nation throughout the war. I think its important to recognize the effort of all, even the small, like resistance movements in occupied territories that slowed German supplies. The world needed to fight the Nazis, no one nation could have done it alone. The Soviets couldn't have done it alone and West couldn't either, at least not nearly as quickly as they did together. The Soviets didn't win WW2 neither did the West, the world did, I think its wrong to discredit the effort of any.
shoesofwandering@reddit
Yes, I remember how Japan surrendered after the USSR bombed them.
/s
TarasBulbaNotYulBryn@reddit
Japan surrendered to the US before the nukes were dropped. The US just simply delayed accepting the surrender until they can test the nukes.
The reason Japan surrendered to the US is because Stalin was getting ready a five million army to invade mainland Japan and prepared to fight house to house for as long as it takes.
Charlirnie@reddit
That would be wise..... China should be very careful as they are next
ttystikk@reddit
China has made it clear that any Western aggression will be met with overwhelming force and they won't stop at defense but will take the war to America's shores, at which point it would almost certainly become a nuclear conflict.
Charlirnie@reddit
The US plans to use Taiwan and Philippines as they did Ukraine to Russia leaving China a shell of what it currently is.
ttystikk@reddit
China won't be a shell; Taiwan, the Philippines, Vietnam, even Australia, South Korea and Japan are all at risk of becoming pawns of America's geopolitical chess game. THEY would be left as shells of their former selves, not China.
rondeuce40@reddit
The main reason behind all the cease fire talk right now is to try and stop Russia from celebrating a war victory over Ukraine. The optics of that in the eyes of the Military Industrial Complex would be embarrassing so they are trying to create a scenario where they can walk away not looking like a devastating blow was not just delivered to them.
fifthflag@reddit
Why would Russia trust the West? This whole war is about Russia not trusting the West (NATO), how this is news to anyone after 3 years of full blown war and 20 years of NATO expansionism?