If you weren’t born in your own country, what Balkan country would you want to live in?

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BigChungusBlyat@reddit

Yeah probably Greece. I've seen some Greek cities, they were quite beautiful. Plus, I get European citizenship. Haven't seen Athens yet tho. I really want to.

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Several_Advantage130@reddit

These downvotes are silly, I agree.

Here's some Athenian favelas;

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Difficult-Monitor331@reddit

Some neighborhoods in Turkey look like this too. Also, you might have favelas but at least you can go to Europe visa free

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Several_Advantage130@reddit

That's on our Greek spy Erdoganopoulos, komsu. Sending hugs, hope it gets better there.

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Several_Advantage130@reddit

I'd say, comparing our parking situation with Ex-Yugo countries is tragic. Our roads were made for horses and not for cars... Overall, every Balkan city looks similar.

(Our parking situation is infuriating..)

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Lilitharising@reddit

Parking and driving, sure. But overcrowded and dirty can be described for pretty much the majority of big cities. Lived in London for ages. Wasn't shiny clean either.

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Dramatic-Panda8012@reddit

it wouldnt matter...i would still move to uk;))

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TheSamuil@reddit

Slovenia, that place impressed me quite a bit when I went on a project there.

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Vallen_H@reddit

I'm currently there. Not safe from the Turks.

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Vallen_H@reddit

What do you mean? There are Turkish fighting jets and boat all around all the time.

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I understand that. But that is not a reason for someone to be scared. As long as I remembered these things have been happening. I used to be scared as well when I was young.
From experience comes wisdom. No war happens with these things. An invasion will happen when you least expect it. I have family in Cyprus at katexomena we still have our houses.
To sum up, these things happen but I wouldn't tell someone not to move to Greece because of that

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Lilitharising@reddit

Really? We`re scared of an invasion?

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Kitsooos@reddit

Let's be honest here. It's a plausible scenario.
I doubt Crete will be attacked first out of the blue, but war is not impossible.
That doesn't mean that I approve the constant fearmongering from the news ofc.
That's just vote-hunting.

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Lilitharising@reddit

Honestly? I don't think it is. If it was that simple to attack Greece and be triumphant it would have already happened. They have a million reasons not to attack, and very few to do so.

Personally, it's not an invasion per se we should be scared of, not in the sense of losing. If you look at geopolitics, our military strategy, our airforce rankings and waterline structure, you'll see we're not an easy country to invade. It's war and its consequences that I abhor, from the unbearable loss of life to financial destruction. And right now, I don't think either country can afford that.

Personally, I hold the same empathy toward Turkish kids as I do for Greek kids. I want them to grow up with their fathers, their homes and live long happy lives. We finally deserve to live in peace.

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Kitsooos@reddit

Well yeah no shit. Ofc no sane person wants a war.
The thing is though, these kind of decisions are not made by poor farmer boys and their fathers.
The poor simply end up in a "kill or be killed" situation and are de facto forced to fight.

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Lilitharising@reddit

Hence the three paragraphs.

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Affectionate-Arm-405@reddit

The old ladies watching tv all day and listening to the fear mongering of the news are.

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Ikcenhonorem@reddit

Here in Bulgaria we have much more Turks than you. They are not scary, most are just normal people.

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Vallen_H@reddit

I'm talking about fighting jets flying over my house and doing mock-fights when I was 13 years old, I couldn't sleep at night. This still goes on, above my island.

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ConclusionRegular103@reddit

hahahahahaha really? what a pu$$y..

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Vesko85@reddit

I didn't see many Turks there, at least when I was there. The island is beautiful, it's not small and there's plenty to do, the climate is amazing, and don't even get me started on the food. And of course, the people are much cooler than the other Balkans, and even the Athenians

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Vallen_H@reddit

I was talking about military intrusions.

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Kitsooos@reddit

Κάνουν κάτι guest εμφανίσεις κάτι απόγονει Τουρκοκρητικών τελευταία.
Δεν πιστεύω ότι οι Κρητικοί χαίρονται ιδιαίτερα που τους ξαναβλέπουν.
Δεν επηρεάζει τους τουρίστες αυτό βέβαια, άλλα λέμε τώρα.

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31_hierophanto@reddit

Hmmm.... probably Greece.

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armstr9@reddit

I was born in Serbia but would like to live anywhere else. I have never been abroad. 😔

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Ribbon7@reddit

Its never too late, u can do it just be brave enough and work hard on it💪

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Ribbon7@reddit

As a croat i'd pick Slovenia for quality of life, nature and ppl, have amazing friends from there. Second i'd choose Greece as im Dalmatian so sea and rocky shores are in my blood, have some great friends from there too.

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Illustrious-Tea-8771@reddit

As an Albanian Croatia or Albania

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Competitive-Round-14@reddit

Croatia or Slovenia

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Affectionate-Arm-405@reddit

Istanbul.
I always thought that we have more in common with the Turkish people (west Turkey) than most other Balkan people.
Also I lived in Canada for many many years now, I miss the hassle and bustle of an Eastern European city. I've never been to be honest but I think I would like it. Good food, good football, good people

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johndelopoulos@reddit

weird to read something like that, since not only we have more in common with other Balkan (and non-Balkan) people than with Turks, but also Turks themselves have more in common with these Balkan people than they have with us, due to longer coexistence with them than us, and thus influences.

To give a hint, Greek language has about 500 less Turkish words than Bulgarian or Albanian languages have. I could go on forever with similar examples

Unless you refer to facial traits of course

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Affectionate-Arm-405@reddit

I didn't elude to language.

To give a hint, Greek language has about 500 less Turkish words than Bulgarian or Albanian languages have. I could go on forever with similar examples

I'm sure you have lots of examples. If we start making a list we will check boxes on both sides. I think Turkish cuisine is closer than that of Bulgaria for example. But that's just one example.

A big factor probably has to do with the exchange of the population that happened. Greeks that lived and coexisted with Turks brought a lot of the culture over. You don't really see that with other Balkan countries. At least not at that scale. That happened in Asia Minor and Cyprus. Good point that also Greece was never under the sphere of USSR or Communism in general, so that is another similarity.

But that's just me. That's how I perceive it and not necessarily how you will perceive our similarities with the Turks, or your neighbor down the street.

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johndelopoulos@reddit

Language is a perfect mirror to what influences and similarities are expected in the rest of the sectors

Bulgarian cuisine is literally vastly more influenced from Turkish cuisine than Greek is, I am not sure what you are talking about. Local cuisine for example in Rhodope, has about 10 times more Turkish dishes than, say, local cuisine in peloponnese. Don't make me talk about architecture, and other things

Greeks who lived in Turkey, lived a country that back then was as much Turkey as Bulgaria (for example) or Northern Greece were Turkey, and they are as much influenced from Turks as northern Greeks or Bulgarians are.

But you talk about a specific population, and you DEFINITELY SEE all these things in other nearby Balkans as well.

You rather won't see Most of these influences in the local culture in most of Greece: Southern Greece and the Aegean islands, both areas with vastly less Turkish influences than Anatolian Greeks/Northern Greeks/Southern Balkans, meanwhile you will see technically zero Turkish influences in the Ionian islands.

I do understand that this is how you perceive it, but this way you perceive it, is wrong. Greece in other words, has a population with equal Turkish influences to those of other nearby Balkan countries (Northern Greeks and Anatolian Greeks, combined about 40% of the population) and a majority that has less or vastly less Turkish influences than these 3 populations. Thus, Greece can't be a country with equal, let alone more, things in common with Turkey than other Balkan countries

Speaking about Greece as if all or most of Greeks come from these specific populations is terribly wrong

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Affectionate-Arm-405@reddit

Bulgarian cuisine is literally vastly more influenced from Turkish cuisine than MOST OF Greek is, I am not sure what you are talking about

I don't think you understand me. I said Greek cuisine, not Bulgarian, is influenced more from Turkish cuisine than from other Balkan cuisines. The percentage that Bulgarian cuisine is influenced by is irrelevant to this argument.
Does that make sense?

I disagree that the Aegean has no Turkish influences, unless when you think Aegean you think of Cyclades only. You didn't mention Cyprus at all on your arguments which is fine but still a fact that they are heavily influenced by Turkish culture. I consider Cypriots Greek people since part of my family is there how couldn't I?

Speaking about Greece as if all or most of Greeks come from these specific populations is terribly wrong

I never said all. I never said most either. But it's the only country that in the past Greece had significant population exchange. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Greece in other words, has a population with equal Turkish influences to those of other nearby Balkan countries

I don't think you understand me again. Our point of conversation is not how much Turkish influence Serbia or Romania has. I think Greece has a lot more Turkish influence than influence of other singular Balkan countries. Not that Greece has more turkey's influence than Bulgaria has. That's not the point I'm trying to make.
Yes Ionian islands have more Italian influence for example. I don't know why you bring that up because we are talking about the Balkans here.

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johndelopoulos@reddit

Ah so, you say that we got more Turkish influence than We got influence from other Balkan countries

ok, that is understandable, and right, obviously, but, it sounds like what occurs for every single Balkan country

Also, I didn't say Aegean islands have no Turkish influences, I said IONIAN islands have no Turkish influences. For Aegean islands I said what we already know: less Turkish influences than nearby Balkans

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Affectionate-Arm-405@reddit

ok, that is understandable, and right, obviously, but, it sounds like what occurs for every single Balkan country, since every Balkan country has more influence from Turkey than from other Balkan countries.

My point was that there are many Balkan countries that have a lot and I mean a lot of influence from each other. Greece is kind of a standalone and if I had to choose one I would personally choose turkey. Greek language is unique so how many words are being used in the language (that was your argument) still doesn't move the needle.
Just to give a couple examples to make myself clear.
I think there are a lot more influences in Serbian culture from Croatia than Turkey. But I wouldn't necessarily say that Serbian culture or Romanian culture has really influenced Greece. At least not to the same level that Turkish culture has.
Speaking of languages again since you brought that up is our day-to-day modern Greek language more influenced by Bulgarian or by Turkish? Meaning how many words in our vocabulary have a Turkish root and how many have a Bulgarian root? I'm only bringing this up if you change your language is a factor although Greek language is unique if you look at the language tree of Europe. It's a standalone branch of an Indo-European language therefore how many words and if it's 500 words or 800 words used still it's a moo point to me.

And trust me, the way you set it is extremely misleading

I'm sorry if that's how you felt that was definitely not my intention. I was very clear from my first comment that I personally feel that way. I didn't try to mislead someone. I have friends that are Croats and I have friends that are turkish. Working into their homes I feel more connected to the Turkish people than I do to the slavo balkan people. Maybe you don't feel that way and that is totally fine. But don't try to discredit my experience and tell me I am misleading

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johndelopoulos@reddit

more connected and having more things in common is two different things

forget Croatia and replace it with Bulgaria. I also felt, i would say more welcomed, in Turkey. But that has to do with having a more extroverted and more welcoming mentality, as a mediterranean society. Other than that, forget how more things in common I can tell between Greeks and Bulgarians than between Greeks and Turks, there are a whole lot many Turkish things i saw in Bulgaria, that most of Greece lacks.

In the end,both in Turkey and Bulgaria I had to remove shoes as a guest, something that as a Greek I never ask from guests, and that is only a tiny sample

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Affectionate-Arm-405@reddit

I think there was no reason to misunderstand what I was saying. But I see that you did oddly. Because that way to interpret it makes no sense to my original argument. How similar we are to Turkey compared to how similar we are at other countries. Irrelevant if Bulgaria is 99% similar to Turkey.

Here is an example of our conversation.

Me.

I think Turkish cuisine is closer (to Greece) than that of Bulgaria for example. But that's just one example.

You

Bulgarian cuisine is literally vastly more influenced from Turkish cuisine than MOST OF Greek is, I am not sure what you are talking about.

Reading it again I think you were trying to be misleading

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Efendi__@reddit

Totally BS, Turks DON‘T have more in common with other balkan (slavic) people than they do with Greeks. The most similar balkan country to Turkey in terms of civilization, culture, foods and DNA is Greece. Ever made a roundtrip? I doubt that.

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johndelopoulos@reddit

According to freaking WHAT??? And HOW THE F***? Are you freaking even slightly aware of Balkan countries' (greece included) history, culture and civilization? Can yo give a few freakin examples of how Peloponnese is more similar to Turkey than Bulgaria is? Not even bother asking for muslim Balkan countries.

name a few things that you think most of Greece shares with Turkey that Balkan countries lack, before I name dozens of the opposite. go ahead and name

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Efendi__@reddit

I asked ChatGPT the simple question if Peloponnese is more similar to Turkey or Bulgaria and here is your answer you retard:

*The Peloponnese, a region in southern Greece, is more culturally and historically similar to Turkey than to Bulgaria. This is primarily due to the long period of Ottoman rule (from the 15th to the 19th century), which left a strong influence on the region’s architecture, cuisine, and certain traditions. Additionally, Greece and Turkey share elements of Mediterranean culture, such as food, music, and lifestyle.

Bulgaria, while also having been under Ottoman rule, has stronger Slavic and Orthodox Christian influences that distinguish it from both Greece and Turkey. Linguistically, Greek and Turkish belong to completely different language families (Indo-European and Turkic, respectively), but they share some loanwords and cultural exchanges due to their historical connections.

So, while the Peloponnese is distinctly Greek, its historical and cultural ties make it somewhat more comparable to Turkey than to Bulgaria.*

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johndelopoulos@reddit

Just asked ""Peloponnese vs Bulgaria, which ones has more Turkish influences"

After a long answer "conclusion: bulgaria has more enduring influences dues to ITS LONGER OTTOMAN RULE and the continued presence of a Turkish-speaking population..."

so try harder next time. Ah, and that's another part i forgot, Greece is the only of the two countries with no such a strong and diasporic Turkish minority

So again retard, forget chatgpt which, if it has answered you this way, it means it gives contradict answers, what makes Peloponnese, a place 200-250 years SHORTER under ottomans than Bulgaria, and with zero Turks living there, culturally equally or, lol, more influenced and closer to Turkey than Bulgaria is? Can you name a few freaking things?

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Efendi__@reddit

Damn, you need some help, seriously.

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Efendi__@reddit

Keep your Turkey-hate for yourself mate, I have lots of Greek friends and even they admir that the similarities they have to (western) coastal Turkey is way more similar than they do with other Slavic Balkan countries such as Bulgaria or North Macedonia who are not even Mediterranean or even Agean (!) countries.

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nikibg26@reddit

Slovenia

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MRBEAM@reddit

Lovely way to offend everyone in the Balkans.

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nikibg26@reddit

Why would someone be offended if Slovenia had the highest living standard in the Balkans?

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Aegeansunset12@reddit

If we count Cyprus too then Slovenia doesn’t have the highest living standards.

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ZhiveBeIarus@reddit

Cyprus is in the Middle East

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Aegeansunset12@reddit

Καλά κάνε αλλού το edgy take σου έκανα ήδη αποποίηση ευθυνών περί γεωγραφικών αντιρρήσεων.

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ZhiveBeIarus@reddit

Edgy take η αλήθεια;

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Aegeansunset12@reddit

Περί ορέξεως κολοκυθόπιτα, τα ξέρουμε τα επιχειρήματα και από τις δύο πλευρές.

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Consistent_Sea5284@reddit

A lot of people don't really associate Slovenia with the Balkans. I still think to some extent we are Balkan, but I feel more related to nations like Czechs or Slovaks than Serbs and Bulgarians.

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nikibg26@reddit

From my perspective Slovenes are closer to Croats compared to Czechs & Slovaks.

Also me being a Serbian, I never had much in common with Bulgarians, but I had the most cultural correlations with Hungarians who are central Europeans (Balkan mentality). Probably because my grandmother is Hungarian born in Serbia.

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Lblink-9@reddit

Similarity of Y-DNA with Slovenian

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DisIsMyName_NotUrs@reddit

Language wise, a Slovenian and a Slovak would also roughly be able to understand eachother

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Lblink-9@reddit

You understand some words in every Slavic language. But I think that Serbo-Croatian is easier because you hear it almost every day in Slovenia, so location is very important and they're closer than Slovakia geographically

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DisIsMyName_NotUrs@reddit

I am Slovenian. I rarely hear Serbo Croat, much less every day. The language could be heard as much as Slovenian on the street before 91. Now you can only hear it rarely from immigrants. Young people also don't speak it nearly as much

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Lblink-9@reddit

I hear it everyday in Ljubljana, you can also hear it on the radio or television. I can't say about young people, I've hears some speak Serbo-Croatian, some Slovenian, and some speak a mix of both

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DisIsMyName_NotUrs@reddit

As I said. You can hear it sometimes from tourists/immigrants, but speaking from experience, you used to hear it much much more. And songs should not count, you wouldn't count hearing English songs when you're talking about hearing English on the street.

And young people absolutely do not know the language. They believe that saying everything in an accent makes it Croatian. Yes it sounds like it, but they know only about 20% guaranteed, no more.

It used to be much more widespread

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BugetarulMalefic@reddit

Turkey, I was blessed to sleep with a Turkish girl once and she was as hot as the sand of Antalia in august!

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DonumDei011@reddit

If we don't count Montenegro and BnH where i feel like in my country then i would be more specific and say Thesaloniki.

I never saw a balkan town that is so livable in my life.

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perverted_sperm@reddit

Slovenia

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laskoboy@reddit

Slovenian here, sorry for the question but what do people find so fascinating in our country? It’s full of corruption and bribery…

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denispkom@reddit

Which country doesn’t have corruption and bribery? You think Nordic countries are better? It’s the same 💩!

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Loopbloc@reddit

You have Turbo Polka. If it is what it is called.

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TheGringoLife@reddit

This

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Throwaway-82726@reddit

Portugal

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Aggressive_Doubt_486@reddit

Montenegro 😂

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Lblink-9@reddit

Greece? No thank you, I think I'm good

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Iapetus404@reddit

i love you!

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Iapetus404@reddit

DONT COME TO GREECE..............WE CAN'T FIT OTHERS

JESUS CHRIST THE PLANET IS HUGE

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Lotofagos_@reddit

Slovenia first choice, Romania second

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DeffoNotAnEngineer@reddit

Wow so many Greeks seem to be keen on Romania. How come? Are you sick of the nice beaches you have all over the place? Maybe job opportunities are slightly better for the lower skilled in Romania, but I see few things better here than in Greece (I’ve lived in both). Romanians seem slightly more optimistic about their economy simply because they were still shitting in the garden 10 years ago, but believe me Greece is not in any way worse otherwise

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Ok_Thanks_1820@reddit

Slovenia or Croatia probably

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ConclusionRegular103@reddit

Albania

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Suitable_Pea_6866@reddit

Kapadokia in Turkey. I love the scenery

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Ikcenhonorem@reddit

Slovenia - it is like Switzerland of Balkans.

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Tiny-Mulberry-2114@reddit

Probably Greece as it has lots of history, beautiful language, great food and Mediterranean vibe of course

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Kitsooos@reddit

Slovenia. Greece is only good for tourism and rich digital nomads.

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Lilitharising@reddit

Yeah, I'm not moving.

Lived in England for 20 years so I've done my 'abroad' bit. I'm staying put.

PS. If I was to ever relocate again, it would be Latin America.

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RosatoFabio@reddit

Yes! Big Balkan! Here I would continue with Croatia, but Latin America is a very nice alternative.

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HierophanticRose@reddit

Montenegro

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YpogaTouArGrease@reddit

Greece all the way,homophobia here is probably the lowest in the Balkans.

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amerikani@reddit

Of course Greeks invented it 😆

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YpogaTouArGrease@reddit

xD

Most of the guys I've been with were Albanian

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amerikani@reddit

😂

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Flaviphone@reddit

Happy cake day

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Gullible-Orange-6337@reddit

Kosovo or R Herceg-Bosna.

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Aggressive_Peach_768@reddit

Portugal obviously

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MrSmileyZ@reddit

Ah! Finally! The wagon leading to Portugal! hopps aboard

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alecpu@reddit

Either Croatia or Slovenia

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shurdi3@reddit

Slovenia without a doubt. Beautiful cities, lovely mountains, and easy access to Croatia, my close second,

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Psychological-Sail17@reddit

Serbia

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rawkifla@reddit

Montenegro

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XenophonSoulis@reddit

Romania.

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zuzuzslav@reddit

Am Romanian. Let’s switch!

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CriticalHistoryGreek@reddit

Serbia. Not in Belgrade, even though it's still better than Athens.

The Serbian people love pumping and simmering. Beautiful towns and nature. Rio Tinto will not be digging. Not in EU or NATO, so returning to true neutrality is easier than in Greece. High levels of Yugonostalgia. Ethnic minorities are recognized, unlike in Greece.

Downsides? SNS leadership and sandwichers. Much of the country is already sold to investors. Russia and China aren't considered imperialist as widely as the EU and especially NATO, even though they're all imperialist.

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Time-Mode-9@reddit

Got some interesting definitions of what the balkans are in the coments. I guess ppl say Turkey because of Thrace.

Prob Greece because theres more change of learning the language, and more jobs

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LibertyChecked28@reddit

Montenegro because of the mountains, I can't imagine living a happy life without a mountain nearby.

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Certain_Reindeer_575@reddit

Don't they all have mountains? I know Greece is covered with mountains

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LibertyChecked28@reddit

Montenegro is like 80% Mountains.

Turkey is far to arid for my tastes.

Serbia is less impressive than us in that regard.

Greece is both arid, and a scam! Had their mountains really been as impressive as they say they would've had developed mountaineer culture instead of befrending the mermaids, dolphins, seals, & fish ppl from the islands.

MK is landlocked to the point where it becomes depressing.

Romania is on 2nd place for Transilvania alone (even tough they have too much flat land which makes them lazy and thus holds them back economically).

Bosnia is on 3rd.

And finally Croatia is on last place for being relatively flat af (when they had the chance to steal all of the seaside from Bosnia they should have stollen all of the Mountains as well in order to be higher on the list).

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Certain_Reindeer_575@reddit

Greece arid???? You have only visited islands during summer right? Greece is full of green and has many georgious villages on the mountains! Even ski resorts! Happens to be surrounded by sea and have hundreds of islands which is more unigue so it's famous for them and everyone comes during summer. Thankfully we enjoy our mountains the rest of the seasons.

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SamiTheAnxiousBean@reddit

If it changed where I was born then pretty much every life experience that shaped me the way I am now would it be voided

if ANYONE was born somewhere else, even in the same country but different village or town, they would be a different person entirely and not even slightly alike their current version

so I would rather not change a thing

now if I were to choose where I WANTED to live and i would just..appear right this second with an already established house etc.

Croatia

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Inna94061@reddit

Romania may be. weather during summer seems too hot in the others..... So as north as possible, may be in the mountains.... Greece/Macedonia seem very dry and too hot for me, the sun will just evaporate me.

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Objective-Heat-3435@reddit

bucharest could be the warmest capital of balkhans

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DeffoNotAnEngineer@reddit

Tirana is #1 for sure, both in extremes and averages. Bucharest is not far behind though.

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Aegeansunset12@reddit

Regions near north Macedonia are actually having the same climate with Sofia, and even there there are mountainous villages with average high during peak summer not exceeding 20-25 degrees.

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fazekodakwhite@reddit

I don't know what you are talking about, I live in a small city in NMK 700m above sea level, but in the summer temperature is constant 35/40 degrees Celsius

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Aegeansunset12@reddit

I was rather clear that mountain villages have mild summers, I provided a climate table too on the link. You can check out for yourself

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DeffoNotAnEngineer@reddit

Only Bucovina and Maramureș (+mountains in general) at higher elevations have cool summer temperatures, otherwise it’s the same 40* hell everywhere else

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Careless-Walrus2568@reddit

As I am not a fan of hot weather and desert looking landscapes, but a big fan of green, forests and mountains, it would have to be Slovenia for me.

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Certain_Reindeer_575@reddit

Apart from maybe Cyprus( I am not sure), they all have a lot of green and forests and mountains.

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Regulus_Exemplar@reddit

Croatia

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DownvoteEvangelist@reddit

Based

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Regulus_Exemplar@reddit

Im tired of being landlocked I want to feel the sea 😭

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Burenosets@reddit

Bulgaria has a solution for you, bud.

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fazekodakwhite@reddit

Ohrid Lake> Cherno More But for real Black Sea is nowhere near Adriatic sea or Aegian Sea...

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Burenosets@reddit

Well yes, but you are not Albanians or Croatians. You are Bulgarians.

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Dizzy_Arachnid4292@reddit

Slovenia or Greece, if I could switch every 6 months that would be ideal 😎🏔🏖

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FilipposTrains@reddit

Turkey because most of my ancestors were born there. (and no, I'm not Turkish)

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No_Reporter9213@reddit

Greece

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Mind_motion@reddit

Greeks are the most ungrateful, delusional and pessimistic of all people,

I am Greek of the diaspora, lived most my life in Scandinavia, spent years working in the UK, Germany and Singapore, now moved back to Greece.

And seriously, people here live in some fantasy world where Greece is 3rd world and shifting blame for all their difficulties in life to "the state", there is zero sense of personal responsibility.

Humans are creatures of habit, and for Greeks since 2008 the habit is to cry and complain about illusionary problems.

I have lived and worked in many places over the years, I have references for comparison, and while Greece has its problems like any country does, it still allows for, by anyones standard, EXTREMELY good and fulfilling lives, there is nothing missing here, but my countrymen will stubbornly die on the hill of being miserable.

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Deep-Historian-7933@reddit

Greece or Bulgaria! Surprised no one said bulgaria

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edwardkenw4y@reddit

Slovenia

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sleepyannn@reddit

Croatia or Serbia.

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ExcitementRecent4195@reddit

Because I don't have money to move out.

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GSA_Gladiator@reddit

Slovenia or Croatia

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One-Act-2601@reddit

Montenegro, it's similar to home but seems to have its shit together.

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Poglavnik_Majmuna01@reddit

Slovenia

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Glittering-Poet-2657@reddit

Either Greece or Slovenia.

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Objective-Heat-3435@reddit

Türkiye all the way out economy may not be so good but in terms of Heathcare , insfracture , banking , Cities , first class in the balkhans

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ArmeWandergeselle@reddit

👎🏼

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Affectionate-Arm-405@reddit

Lol. But you are Turkish. Stop trying to spread Turkish propaganda and hate for other countries. I've read your comments, they are very toxic.

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ArmeWandergeselle@reddit

Croatia

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NoScreen54@reddit

Slovenia, Croatia or Greece

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thatgirleliana@reddit

Bulgaria.

I like my native country but if I had to choose another one, it would definitely be 🇧🇬, particularly Varna. I visited a bit in high school and it feels so familiar and home-like to me, even the tiny town my friend’s grandparents are from.

I cant say there is another country where I find all places, even random towns, enjoyable to visit.

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orestaras@reddit

Croatia

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kittyriti@reddit

Definitely Macedonia, great weather, nice people, and rich history.

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Aegeansunset12@reddit

Maybe Cyprus ? I know Greece and Cyprus are not really what you think of Balkan but Cyprus has the highest gdp per capita of all countries called Balkan under the most broad term (near Italy nominal and uk ppp) despite being half occupied. They were killing it before they enter the eu too btw

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OK, Slovenia won by a canvas.

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