Devshirme in 1603-1604. ( Areas where Ottoman empire took Janissaries.)

fuck the person who said ottomans brainwashed balkan kids and used them. ottomans took these kids from their families with their own permits. if it is bad, then explain what france and england did in africa

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FeetSniffer9008@reddit

You do know two things can be bad at the same time you dingus

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Adelaito@reddit

wow what a great system to fill out gaps in the military, i hope they dont become corrupt enough to overthrow multiple sultans or downright murder them so they can only be stopped by getting their barracks bombarded by the sultans newly established army. That would've actually been very horrible indeed

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Gemascus01@reddit

Kiddnaping boys and rouining their Turkic dna very "smart"

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DaliVinciBey@reddit

aa if we give a fuck about genetics lol

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BBBurki@reddit

Janissaries did not have permission to marry and have children or to do any job besides being soldiers

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Gladius_Bosnae_Sum@reddit

What the other guy said, plus they weren't exclusively soldiers. Most court officials and bureaucrats started as jannisaries

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Emotional_Charge_961@reddit

Janissaries have right to marry after retirement. That's why there are hundreds of famous Janissary families in Ottoman history.

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Tenchi_Muyo1@reddit

They were never majority Turkic to begin with as Ottoman origin is from Western Anatolia, today's Turks don't even have 5% Nomadic "what they call Turkic" roots (C, Q, N haplogroups)

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BBBurki@reddit

Todays average in Anatolia is 20 percent but it can go up to 40-55 percent in some regions as it can go down to 1-10 percent bu definately it is more than 5 percent in average

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GootalBerradja@reddit

Joining the Janissaries was a difficult but attractive path for any young Balkan man, as it could lead him to high ranks in the state. It was a group bound by Sufi traditions and education - Bektashi - somewhat similar to that of the samurai or the Knights Templar.

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OzbiljanCojk@reddit

What Turcic DNA, they were genetically very mixed empire in Anatolia. Even Seljuks were a persio-turcic mix.

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Gladius_Bosnae_Sum@reddit

Based Bosnia fought for the privilege to send in boys for training. Completely beats this brutal point of view of the Ottoman administration.

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hemijaimatematika1@reddit

It made sense to send your kid to possibly attain highest possible political/military power in the most powerful empire in Europe as opposed to keeping the child working the farm till he dies from hunger or disease.

Equivalent of this would be sending your child to Harvard today.

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Buy_from_EU-@reddit

Just shows how cucks Bosnians are.

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Tenchi_Muyo1@reddit

Those arr definitely low numbers, they usually had over 10 000 jannisaries from a single group also many of them didn't make it to become jannisaries and were used for other stuff or died

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RedditStrider@reddit

Thats not a small number for single year. 10.000 is a excessive estimate that'd literally leave a region depopulated if done every year.

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Poopoo_Chemoo@reddit

Its a little known fact but Bosnians were the only group that could join the janissaries without the requirement of being non Christian.

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third-acc@reddit

Do you mean non-Muslim?

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mao_dze_dun@reddit

I thought by the end of the 17th century the requirement for the boys to be non-Muslim was de facto abandoned and a lot of Muslim parents were actively trying to have their children enlisted in the Janissary corp.

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Party_Elk5316@reddit

was de facto abandoned

It was entirely stopped. The devshirme ceased to exist after the 1640th. The ranks were filled entirely by Janissary children or muslims from the Balkan/Anatolia joining the janissary ranks.

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Poopoo_Chemoo@reddit

somone responded on the original post with a link detailing this with a source

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Albaaneesi@reddit

Really? I didn't know that, interesting. Thanks for the info!

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Party_Elk5316@reddit

Fun fact: This is about 40 years, before it stops entirely.

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Dreams_never_Die@reddit

true fan fact #1 Janissaries were disbanded by Mahmud II on 1826. it started around 1400-1450.

true fan fact # 2 the youngest were staring from age 7. they were children not a boys..

sad fact # 1 it was one of the worst crimes the ottoman did in the balkans.. they took boys from their mothers brainwashed them and when they became capable warriors they could easily harm their own family without even knowning or care.. every country has a sad song and story to sing and tell about this tradedy

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Emotional_Charge_961@reddit

true fan fact #1 Janissaries were disbanded by Mahmud II on 1826. it started around 1400-1450.

true fan fact # 2 the youngest were staring from age 7. they were children not boys..

sad fact # 1 it was one of the worst crimes the ottoman did in the balkans..

You wrote all these misinformation and people upvoted you. Othey guy refutated your claims and everyone downvoted him. Does this sub love lie? Because they are upvoting lies.

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Party_Elk5316@reddit

true fan fact #1 Janissaries were disbanded by Mahmud II on 1826. it started around 1400-1450.

I said the devshirme stopped in the 1640th. Not the Janissaries. The Janissaries were filled with anatolian and balkan muslims from the 1640th onwards.

rue fan fact # 2 the youngest were staring from age 7. they were children not boys..

That still doesnt change the fact that the vast majority of the "children" or "boys" (i used the phrasing in the caption btw) were still between 13-20. They majority were not children.

they took boys from their mothers brainwashed them and when they became capable warriors they could easily harm their own family without even knowning or care..

The janissaries were self-aware of their origin. The families got compensated and the janissaries were known to help out their people. You have lots of benovlent janissaries that did charitable work on the Balkan. To begin with the families the janissaries were taken away from, were ottoman citizen.

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Dreams_never_Die@reddit

That still doesnt change the fact that the vast majority of the "children" or "boys" (i used the phrasing in the caption/legend btw) were still between 13-20. They majority were not children. It is literally written in the post of OP. The average age was at 16,5 (OP's post).

the majority were 7 to 13. in the early years of the empire the were the youngers. the average age from OP's post its for one specific year.

The janissaries were self-aware of their origin. The families got "compensated" and the janissaries were known to help out their people. You have lots of benovlent janissaries that did charitable work on the Balkan. To begin with the families the janissaries were taken away from, were ottoman citizen (so no the janissaries were not used against their own families).

they were self-aware my ass. u describe the janissaries at the peak of their power.. at this time time they could change the sultans.. that is that annoy me most in the Turks. u try to defend and change history in everything bad u did. i mean ffs even the germans and japanese admit their faults to the world. but no the ottomans were so good nothing bad happens/ they actually help the families from not starving from the taxes THEY forced them.. such saint and glory empire. god bless them

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Party_Elk5316@reddit

the majority were 7 to 13. in the early years of the empire the were the youngers. the average age from OP's post its for one specific year.

No brother. It is from an entire century. I can also give you a paper about it. Feel free to share your source about the claim that the earlier years were mainly children. Mind you, the devshirme system evolved out of the penycek system, which consisted of prisoners of war, aka adult enemy soldiers. I dont think you have any idea what you are talking about, considering that you pulled the trigger against me by stating a "true fact" that was entirely unrelated to my comment. You dont even know what the difference between devshirme and Janissaries are.

they were self-aware my ass.

You not knowing about it, doesnt translate to the janissaries not being self-aware.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokollu_Mehmed_Pasha

Sokollu mehmed pasha was "recruited" from the devshirme system. He played an important role in the renewale of the serbian church.

u describe the janissaries at the peak of their power.. at this time time they could change the sultans..

I didnt mention any year. You are just making up arguments at this point. And no, the early 17th century is not their peak of their power. The 18th century is.

that is that annoy me most in the Turks. u try to defend and change history in everything bad u did.

I stated facts. Calm down. I didnt even say that the devshirme is good or anything. You are just making shit up and make an argument based on an imaginary discussion. Lord touch some grass.

help the families from not starving from the taxes THEY forced them..

The Ottomans adopted the roman tax system. What are you even on about? Again: Just making sh*t up.

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The_Kingz1071@reddit

Doğruyu söyliyen dokuz köyden kovulur

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innnocent-_-@reddit

the Ottomans adopted the Roman tax system what are u talking bout?

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Alchemista_Anonyma@reddit

Yeah Mahmud II abolished (and slaughtered them all) the Janissary corp the devshirme was in decline since the 17th century before to be abolished by Ahmed III in the early 1700s. Also Janissaries were perfectly aware of their origins and some highly influential janissaries actually tried to use their influence to help their homeland. By the later periods the Janissary corp was an elitist and nepotistic corp.

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MedicalJellyfish7246@reddit

Flair up buttercup

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ActinomycetaceaeOk48@reddit

The Devshirme system was not established for the sole reason to produce soldiers, the actual aim was to create statesmen through the Enderun. Though the Janissaries were also part of the program, it was the secondary part of it.

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Rotfrajver@reddit

every country has a sad song and story to sing and tell about this tragedy

We in Serbia have a very famous song about this.

Janičar

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nakadashionly@reddit

Wait, only 2604 kids in one year? And 410 of them were voluntary Bosnians?

All this fuss about "tHeY kIdNaPpEd OuR cHiLdReN AaAaAaAaA" is just for this? Lol, even without devshirme, half of them would probably have died of infections etc. before turning 20.

At least they were put to good use. What else would their lives have meant as dirty infidel peasants lol.

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Buy_from_EU-@reddit

Only a turk can write a comment like this. The total amount was hundreds of thousands close to half a million and this is just from these specific areas for 1 year.

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nakadashionly@reddit

I don't understand why you are using hate language against Turks? I reported your comment.

Also spreading through centuries, even half a million is not of significance.

By the way what is an aromanian? Related to aroma?

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tipoftheiceberg1234@reddit

I brought this up to some Bosniaks a while back thinking we were all on the same page.

Turns out Janissaries were consensual and what we do nowadays when we “send our kids to Germany for a better education”.

Woops. Didn’t know that. Guess the Ottoman Empire didn’t do anything bad. Probably because they practiced the religion of peace unlike other barbaric and savage empires we’ve been conditioned to think of as “normal”.

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Yellowapple1000@reddit (OP)

https://belleten.gov.tr/tam-metin/248/eng