The High Price Of War With Iran: $10 Gas And The Collapse Of The US Economy
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Posted by mark000@reddit | PrepperIntel | View on Reddit | 309 comments
mark000@reddit (OP)
If the U.S. goes to war with Iran, crude oil prices per barrel (currently $70), could rise to $200 per barrel.
The Strait of Hormuz, a major conduit for the transport of oil would be disrupted. Iran has the capability retaliate by targeting Gulf oil infrastructure, including Saudi Arabia. Market panic would ensue.
The price of a gallon of gas, currently averaging $3.13, would double, approach $7 a gallon, and in some cases, reach $10 a gallon, in states with higher fuel taxes.
Major disruptions, including high inflation, recession risks, and market instability would hit the US economy. Consumer retail spending would sink while prices rose for food and other goods, as energy costs for manufacturing, agriculture and transportation spiraled out of control.
navalseaman@reddit
So you’re saying if MAGAs true goal is to crash the US economy then they want war with Iran?
ParallaxRay@reddit
Trump supporters don't want to crash the economy. That belief, while widespread on the left, is total nonsense.
bazilbt@reddit
The supporters don't. But does Trump? It's hard to tell if he is stupid or if it's intentional. Like a child touching a hot stove after you told him it's hot.
ParallaxRay@reddit
No, he doesn't want to crash the economy. The idea is total nonsense. Good grief.
bazilbt@reddit
Did he tell you this?
ParallaxRay@reddit
Foreign investment is pouring into the country... A sure sign he wants to crash the economy.
Go outside and get some fresh air.
bazilbt@reddit
you still think that?
ParallaxRay@reddit
Here's just 1 example...
https://pr.tsmc.com/english/news/3210
bazilbt@reddit
So a hypothetical investment? Zero actual dollars spent?
ParallaxRay@reddit
This was announced literally DAYS ago. But you need to have the whole project built yesterday.
Get with reality. You're just bitching because it's a win for Trump and our country.
bazilbt@reddit
He has been President before dude. I don't believe anything until it happens. A PR announcement costs nearly nothing. I remember Foxconn.
ParallaxRay@reddit
And the last time he was president he did it then. But now the left has amnesia.
bazilbt@reddit
Did what? Crash the economy?
ParallaxRay@reddit
The economy was doing fantastic until COVID. You don't get to have selective amnesia.
bazilbt@reddit
Comparable or underperforming Obama on all key indicators. He also badly botched the covid response.
bazilbt@reddit
And what are you using to measure that?
ParallaxRay@reddit
The announcements about this that have been in the news. But if you only use leftist news sources they aren't going to tell you about it. It's not shocking to me that you don't know that foreign companies are going to invest here to avoid tariffs.
navalseaman@reddit
Your right his supporters won’t, trump and Felon Musk will for their billionaire friends
ParallaxRay@reddit
Explain the actual mechanics of that since you seem to know. I'm waiting...
navalseaman@reddit
Sure I’ll use tariffs as an example, trump gets wishy washy on tariffs the market goes red, his. Billionaire friends buy the dip then all of a sudden someone luckily negotiates a deal market goes back up billionaires sell for profit.
ParallaxRay@reddit
Lol! Billionaire investors are a hell of a lot more sophisticated than that. They don't need Trump's tariffs to make money.
TDS is a helluva drug.
Th3_Admiral_@reddit
No one said Trump supporters. Trump supporters are average people whose lives could be ruined by a crashed economy. We're talking about Trump and Musk and Thiel and the other millionaires and billionaires at the top.
score_@reddit
They know that. They're a trumper, so their job is to misrepresent their opponents' position and lie.
ParallaxRay@reddit
That's some industrial grade projection right there.
Yoda___@reddit
You misunderstood, sweetie. No one was claiming you lot actually understand what is going on.
ParallaxRay@reddit
Well then, Jethro, go ahead and explain to me what's going on. I eagerly await your penetrating insights lowered to me in a basket from your ivory tower.
Nice_Collection5400@reddit
Trump supporters are in denial. The Mar a lago accord and Project 2025 both spell out the game plan and it involves crashing the economy.
ParallaxRay@reddit
Lol! You keep believing that and the rest of us will be over here in Reality watching people like you.
cyesk8er@reddit
They may not have understood, but it was a key part of the campaign. Reducing government spending while performing massive tax increases (tarrifs)
Careful-Combination7@reddit
Only if it owns the libs
Due_Log5121@reddit
willing to burn the house down to own the libs? I think these people are being duped...
Slammedtgs@reddit
But those libs all bought EVs and hybrids. Shrugs shoulders, plugs in EV, gets popcorn.
Metals4J@reddit
Nah, in bizarro timeline 2025, Tesla is a MAGA brand and Dems have been actively selling and distancing themselves.
Slammedtgs@reddit
That’s a good talking point, but people in mass don’t actually sell cars because they don’t like the CEO.
Good headlines but probably 1-2% of the install base.
IllegalGeriatricVore@reddit
Oil prices will impact electric prices
AccordingWarning9534@reddit
I charge my EV with solar from the panels on my roof. I'm good
tigerdogbearcat@reddit
Better not have to replace a panel with all the new tarifs!
But seriously even though you personally don't use gas everything you buy is delivered using diesel in this country it will go up too.
LakeFox3@reddit
...nuclear fallout enters the chat
AccordingWarning9534@reddit
lol.. yeah, that'll fuck my plans totally.
Metals4J@reddit
I’m not an expert but I think you won’t be alone if that happens.
ihaveadogalso2@reddit
This response is so satisfying to me lol. I wish you clear skies!
MountainGal72@reddit
And absolutely everything that is shipped, including groceries.
notlikethat1@reddit
EV and solar charging library checking in, OK, we expected this eventually, but not this soon.
Slammedtgs@reddit
Maybe, my area is mostly nuclear and natural gas.
whatmynamebro@reddit
A a much lower rate then amount it will effect the price of gas.
davaflav1988@reddit
This is the core of any argument with those individuals. Don't even care how it could play into their own daily lives. Just to own the libs.
No_Emphasis_2011@reddit
They would cut their nose off to spider face.
Elegant_Paper4812@reddit
MAGA is a kamikaze movement. Its goal is to destroy progressivenism even if it means its own death. It is a deranged fanatical movement with no real purpose
Tall-Drag-200@reddit
“Total loyalty is possible only when fidelity is emptied of all concrete content, from which changes of mind might naturally arise. The totalitarian movements, each in its own way, have done their utmost to get rid of the party programs which specified concrete content and which they inherited from earlier, nontotalitarian stages of development. No matter how radically they might have been phrased, every definite political goal which does not simply assert or circumscribe the claim to world rule, every political program which deals with issues more specific than ‘ideological questions of importance for centuries’ is an obstruction to totalitarianism.”
“Neither [Not-see-ism] nor [Stalinism] has ever proclaimed a new form of government or asserted that its goals were reached with the seizure of power and the control of the state machinery. Their idea of domination was something that no state and no mere apparatus of violence can ever achieve, but only a movement that is constantly kept in motion: namely, the permanent domination of each single individual in each and every sphere of life. The seizure of power through the means of violence is never an end in itself but only the means to an end, and the seizure of power in any given country is only a welcome transitory stage but never the end of the movement. The practical goal of the movement is to organize as many people as possible within its framework and to set and keep them in motion; a political goal that would constitute the end of the movement simply does not exist.”
— quotes from The Origins of Totalitarianism, by Hannah Arendt
Welllllllrip187@reddit
War? Nah. Crash? Absolutely. The uber rich can swoop in and buy up TONS of real estate, stocks and so on, when the economy recovers in 10-20 years, they become even richer.
Time to eat the uber rich before they eat us.
hustle_magic@reddit
The uber rich can already buy tons of real estate
Welllllllrip187@reddit
Why buy a 100 units for a ten dollars, when you can buy a thousands on the penny and then own everyone else’s houses and jack the rates through the roof and become wayyyy richer while you continue to label the poor as the “parasite class”? Oh and use money and influence at the same time to completely violate and destroy the country so you can break even more laws to ensure nobody can ever stop you from become richer, and ruin everyone else’s lives and wellbeing just so you can get even more wealth.
Yea no, it’s time to eat the uber rich before we can’t.
hustle_magic@reddit
Hmmmm yeah good luck with “eating the rich”. Lots of talk on Reddit and zero action.
And real estate has not and will not drop to the equivalent of pennies. That’s just simply not how the real estate market works.
Welllllllrip187@reddit
The time will come. Also people would be quite stupid to post any ideas or the like there of on social media. (Not condoning anything) I’m simply reminding people of who the enemy is. It’s not a you vs me or a left vs right issue. It’s an us vs them.
Figure of speech not a real world example. They will buy it up at rock bottom for stupid levels of cheap, and then raise the rates though the roof once the economy recovers and make themselves even richer. Thats only one example.
Call it what you will, it’s still a valid point.
Rustie_J@reddit
It won't recover, because all of this is happening in conjunction with climate collapse. There might be a few blips up, but a true recovery will never happen.
But that doesn't matter to the rich. What matters to them is that enough of us die for the survivors to be controllable.
SquirrelyMcNutz@reddit
I'm of the opinion that hydrocarbons are one of the biggest trap technologies in the universe and the reason we don't see advanced civilizations when perusing the stars.
Civilizations get addicted to easy, cheap, high density energy sources that don't immediately overly harm them. They see no need to innovate or phase them out until its too late.
Instead, hydrocarbons should only be used as a bootstrap technology to get a civilization to renewables and nuclear. But too many get hooked on the abundance of oil/gas and it destroys them.
MantissMD47@reddit
That's what happened to the Aztecs. They invented a battery and poof they were gone.
BigJSunshine@reddit
“Bigger slumps
Bigger wars,
Smaller Recoveries…”
-Stereolab ping pong 1994
Western-Sugar-3453@reddit
Yes, there will be no recovery. We are already in the downslope globally, the war that are going to play out over the next decades will be to get the ressources to collapse slower than the other states.
Once you understand the polycrisis you realise that it is much safer to collapse now while you can still make mistakes. Any high tech stuff will make you weak in the long run, better learn how to do without now.
Rustie_J@reddit
What truly pisses me off is that it didn't have to be this way. If they'd been honest with us from the start, plans could have been made. Priorities could have been set for the allocation of resources & research. The severity could have been lessened & pushed farther forward, maybe long enough to prevent it altogether.
And I know Americans in particular have Oppositional Defiant Disorder on a national scale, but look at WWII propaganda. The US government absolutely knows how to get people to go along with something when they want to. They just prioritized the wishes of rich people over the lives of everything else on the planet.
Welllllllrip187@reddit
Valid point, all the more reason to focus on them.
IllustriousBed2273@reddit
This.
LetsGetNuclear@reddit
US military doctrine is setup around being able to simultaneously fight wars on two different fronts. We know that China is a primary concern of both the current and former administration.
We know that at best the current administration isn't willing to enter a conflict with Russia and at worst is directly working with Russia. Preparing for a massive conflict with Iran would make their other actions make sense as now would be the time to strike Iran before they could join the nuclear club.
If this is the path they are taking, insiders and allies of the administration will take advantage of the upcoming crash.
youlikeyoungboys@reddit
Iran is a war ally of Russia. Russia might be willing to let it happen if it means the price of oil skyrockets. Russia is a petro-state. The higher the price per barrel of crude, the more money Russia has.
Ironically, as Trump has pressured the global price of oil downwards, he has hurt the profits of his boss’s oil empire.
werpu@reddit
Sideffect, electrical cars would get a huge boost from such a situation, but Tesla wont really profit on a worldwide scale!
score_@reddit
Wasn't trump just talking about wanting to buy more oil from Russia?
merkarver112@reddit
If all sanctions were removed from Russia, could/do they have the oil and/or ability to replace Iran ?
youlikeyoungboys@reddit
I’m not sure what you mean.
Russia exports refined oil products to Europe, China, and India. They’re using their shadow tanker fleet to avoid a lot of sanctions and India especially relies on Russian oil.
Due to geography, Iran has the ability to shut down trade in the Strait of Hormuz for a while. Iran isn’t exporting a lot of oil except to China and Venezuela.
TgetherinElctricDrmz@reddit
We are simultaneously funding wars on two continents.
How’s that going so far?
bearfootmedic@reddit
Three if you count North America...
smokymirrorcactus@reddit
Ding Ding Ding!
singlecatladynow@reddit
Yes I think it is. Trump can only destroy. See if anyone can name 3 things trump has built.
navalseaman@reddit
A cult following, a blatant disregard for the constitution and hate
Key_Shine3895@reddit
Check and mate
alexmark002@reddit
Here you go: Border Wall Construction – Built over 450 miles of new and replacement barriers along the U.S.-Mexico border.
Judicial Appointments – Appointed three Supreme Court justices and over 230 federal judges, reshaping the judiciary.
Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (2017) – Overhauled the tax code, cutting corporate and individual tax rates.
USMCA Trade Deal – Replaced NAFTA with a new trade agreement benefiting U.S. workers and industries.
Criminal Justice Reform – Signed the First Step Act, reducing sentences for nonviolent offenders.
Operation Warp Speed – Fast-tracked COVID-19 vaccine development and distribution.
NATO Funding Increase – Pressured allies to contribute billions more in defense spending.
Energy Independence – Expanded oil and gas production, making the U.S. a net exporter of energy.
Middle East Peace Deals – Brokered the Abraham Accords, normalizing relations between Israel and Arab nations.
Veterans' Affairs Reform – Signed legislation to expand VA healthcare and accountability measures.
martiniolives2@reddit
Nothing positive will come from a person whose sole motivation is spite.
CaptainMarder@reddit
Trump's goal is to bankrupt America I bet.
FarNefariousness3616@reddit
Trump boys will be buying the market for pennies on the $. Bush did it 2006 to 2008
manly_@reddit
I mean, how else are they gonna bail out the banks?
Shot_Worldliness_979@reddit
Add it to the list of things they're doing that will lead to an inevitable collapse. If the posturing with Greenland, Canada, and Mexico don't lead to Russia-style sanctions by former allies, an all out war with Iran surely will.
navalseaman@reddit
Why would western countries place sanctions on the US for striking IRAN they’d just claim they were supporting Israel in ending IRANs nuclear program and making the world safer.
Shot_Worldliness_979@reddit
Good point. Allow me to rephrase. Either the rest of the world sanctions the US for disrespecting the sovereignty of its neighbors, a la Russia and Ukraine, or the US tanks the global economy by engaging in a direct war with Iran. Both seem likely.
navalseaman@reddit
I’d guess on the latter over the former unless America goes full hard R and launches a SMO into one of the aforementioned nations
Do_The_Floof@reddit
But what about drill baby drill?
Immortal-one@reddit
Christians are fine with expensive eggs as long as it’s under Trump. They’ll be fine with expensive gas too as long as it’s for jesus.
Turd_Master@reddit
Christians haven't thought about Jesus since the 2016 primaries. Trump is the only one in their hearts now.
DecrimIowa@reddit
i see where you're coming from on this and empathize with your sense of betrayal, but I have to push back on this.
A huge number of Christians believe in justice and try their best to emulate the lessons laid out by Christ in the Sermon on the Mount. At nearly every gathering for peace and justice you'll find people of faith.
If we generalize and paint entire swaths of the population with a broad brush, we are engaging in the same divisive, us-vs-them rhetoric as the other side, and this will only lead us down the road of division, towards violence. I can't in good conscience accept that.
Pretend-Marsupial258@reddit
That depends on the Christian. There are Christians in the US who have rejected the Sermon on the Mount, calling it too weak and liberal. They have fully embraced nationalism instead.
DecrimIowa@reddit
true- every group has a variety within it- but the poster I was replying to didn't say "some Christians," they just said "Christians"
Immortal-one@reddit
If the majority of a group thinks in a certain way, that defines the entire group. There are no good nazis. Even the ones who didn’t want to kill Jews but still heiled hitler…history doesn’t remember them as being “but there were some good ones”
twigycakes@reddit
No, your wrong. If the principles of Jesus were important, Trump would have no chance with any Christian. The problem with Christians is that they are delusional and easily manipulated. They justify actions based on "the word of God"....that is conveniently cherry picked for whatever suits then at the time. Religion is outdated and harmful.
MetalHeadJoe@reddit
Whut wood Jeebus doo?
DecrimIowa@reddit
your willingness to mock people with disabilities and characterize people of faith as disabled says much more about you than it does about members of either of those communities.
Immortal-one@reddit
You get mad that he’s mocking trump? Free speech!
MetalHeadJoe@reddit
Thanks for taking offence. Warms my heart.
Roamer56@reddit
Maybe they will be sent to be with their “Jeezus”.
Key_Shine3895@reddit
Doesn’t Jesus drive a lifted trucks that rolls coal?
that7deezguy@reddit
Time for a new twist on the, “I did that!” stickers, I guess.
Its_Nitsua@reddit
What does that have to do with christians?
Christians are like any other religion or demographic when it comes to politics, its a wide spectrum and there’s plenty of people on both sides of the aisle.
just_a_floor1991@reddit
As long as it’s for Israel**
Gumbi_Digital@reddit
That’s Supply Side Jesus.
Potential-March-1384@reddit
Don’t take the wheel Jesus, get out and push! Gas is $8 a gallon!
cardiganqween@reddit
😂
troutbumdreamin@reddit
If we get a vast majority of our oil from local production, how could a war with Iran increase prices for Americans?
Own_Active_1310@reddit
End of the twin trump regime? Well in that case it's freedom time
Ok-Yogurt-5552@reddit
Prices are going to triple because of Iran, who supplies 3% of the world’s oil? Give me a fucking break, this dude is a clown.
What is Iran going to do in the strait of Hormuz against the US Navy? Get destroyed in a day like they did a few decades ago?
How is Iran going to target Gulf oil infrastructure? They fired hundreds of missiles at Israel and barely damaged anything. What are they going to target it with, the missiles and bombs that the US air force is now going to easily destroy? Kudos to Israel for taking out Iran’s air defenses.
This is just more doom and gloom nonsense from someone who has their head so far up their ass they can barely make out their own bullshit.
If that wasn’t enough, the author goes on to say this:
Lol. “Iran promises it’s enriching Uranium way past normal use levels for peaceful purposes guys. They even told their guys not to build a nuclear bomb. They totally swear they won’t build a nuclear bomb”. If you believe this bullshit I have a golden bridge to sell you. Just venmo me for it first and then I’ll send it in the mail. I totally swear I will!
Iran is the largest state sponsor of terror that is run by Islamic fundamentalists who want to topple the world order and eventually have a global Islamic revolution. If they get nukes it’s only a matter of time before terrorist organizations have nukes. Iran’s nuclear program and oil infrastructure needs to be bombed to smithereens. This should have happened years ago. Sure it might get a bit bumpy, but global recession? Market panic? Tripling of gas prices? This is just blatant sensationalism.
SniperPilot@reddit
No airplanes either.
dnhs47@reddit
That’s complete garbage. A war in Iran would barely create a ripple in the US economy; though it might suck for other countries.
The US is awash in oil, so the price on the world market is irrelevant. Further, the US president can, with just their signature, end US oil exports, ensuring that US oil is available for US refineries, businesses, and consumers.
There would be little or no change to US fuel prices. The US domestic demand for gasoline is 95% met by domestic production, with nearly all of the rest coming from Canada and Mexico. The same for diesel, though that’s 90% produced domestically with the rest still coming from Canada and Mexico.
“Major disruptions, including high inflation, recession risks, and market instability” - not due to a war with Iran, but already occurring thanks to Trump’s tariffs.
coolassthorawu@reddit
Yeah, the amount of dead US soldiers rolling in would have a bigger effect on morale than the economy
dnhs47@reddit
OP’s points were economic, so I responded with economic points.
We have zero interest in occupying Iran, so we don’t need any American soldiers in Iran. Some cyber here, missiles there, and done. No dead soldiers coming home.
sinchi-kun@reddit
Not even the thousands of soldiers in US bases being targeted by precision missiles? First thing Iran would do is launch 2000 precision missiles to US bases in the Middle East. I’m quite sure they’d kill a few immediately. I mean it makes sense to wipe out US assets in the region as a first step.
Bare in mind that Iranian proxies have already killed US soldiers since Oct 7th, they just stopped cause Iran forced them to (they gave a statement saying that they’d stop, and ever since, CENTCOM hasn’t announced any attacks received on US bases since - i.e. they stopped).
Also, for me, it’s just a fatal mistake what Trump is doing. It just screams Iraq 2.0. Basically accusing Iraq of having WMDs, and threatening, and then getting into that sh*thole, wasting trillions, losing thousands of US and ally soldiers, and hundreds of thousands of civilians. “Such a mess” as trump would say. I am extremely skeptical about believing that Iran possesses Nuclear bomb/WMDs of any other sort. Ever since the 90s, we’ve been told that. And I’d like to know what the intelligence community says (not what politicians say) about the possibility of Iran having WMDs.
dnhs47@reddit
Why are there still US military assets in the Middle East? You’re right, there’re just targets - bring them home. The US should have no military presence in the Middle East, because we don’t care about the Middle East.
Ironically, the only thing we should care about is keeping the nut jobs in Tehran getting a nuke. They’ve pledged to use them against the US hundreds of times, after all.
You doubt Iran is working on nukes? What an adorable little fantasy world you live in! 🌈🦄🐰
sinchi-kun@reddit
Yeah, once the assets get removed, their only targets would be Israel, any US Naval assets (but these are heavily protected so should be fine), and that’s about it.
When I say that I’m skeptical about the Nuclear Threat, I actually believe so. I mean, that’s what the US Intelligence Community said (CIA, DIA, etc.) just a few days ago. It all depends on what credibility you give to the intelligence agencies and their assets. Also, if you follow the internal situation in Iran, you can palpate that there’s no will for them to do so, but that’s more subjective on my side.
One thing for sure, is that they’re trying to build as many hypersonic missiles and long range missiles as possible, and stock pile them. And I think this is as much as a threat as a WMD due to the large scale of it.
dnhs47@reddit
From the 2025 Annual Threa Assessment that you linked to:
From the 2024 Annual Threat Assessment, before US intelligence agencies were controlled by Russian assets:
Iran, with their weak economy, would not invest in expanding an already expensive nuclear program without the intention of using them.
mark000@reddit (OP)
DUDE! Gas went from $3 in Sep 2021 to $5 in June 2022 because Russia v Ukraine caused supply worries. Have you forgotten or were you not alive then? This would be WAY worse.
dnhs47@reddit
You’re right, I’m an extremely advanced 2.5 year old who wasn’t alive in June 2022 🙄
RoyalZeal@reddit
That is a poor analysis with little basis in fact. War with Iran would be a catastrophe for the global economy. Last I checked the US is part of the globe.
dnhs47@reddit
You haven’t been paying attention in recent weeks then.
idealantidote@reddit
Oil shortage in the US isn’t the issue as price is driven by global demand, oil still goes up in price even though there isn’t a shortage in the US so the price of gas would still go up, also most refineries in the US aren’t tooled to handle light sweet so even stopping exports doesn’t help, the refineries are tooled for heavy sour crude and that mostly comes in from Canada
dnhs47@reddit
You’re intermingling change and no change to make the points you want.
The price of oil in the US is instantly decoupled from world pricing - change - if US oil exports are ended by the president. The current president has shown no hesitation to issue executive orders so far, so I’ll take “stop US oil exports” as a given. That will actually cause the price of oil in the US to drop considerably - change - due to excess supply.
Agree re: refineries tuned for heavy/sour, that pre-dates the shale oil boom, and there’s been no compelling reason for them to change. But that can change, and would if the US stopped exporting oil.
The input to refineries would then be so cheap (domestic light/sweet) they’d take the hit and switch, because even with oil exports blocked, that law does not block refined fuel exports.
So US refiners would have the world’s cheapest inputs but still be able to sell their refined exports on the world market. And we’d have some/much of our refining capacity tuned for light/sweet going forward. Big win.
idealantidote@reddit
And the change doesn’t happen overnight and drastically affects fuel prices due to reduced production so gas prices would go through the roof for well over a year while refineries are doing massive retooling to accommodate light sweet and by the time the changes are done they need to pay for them and will keep charging huge amounts at the pumps
Secret_Squire1@reddit
The oil that the United States produces is called sweet crude oil which our refineries are not set up to turn into petroleum products. We import sour crude from other countries as that’s the type of oil our refineries can use.
Any blockage of the Strait of Hormuz will send massive oil and gas shocks to the global supply.
Here is a link to our government website stating it’s the most important oil choke point.
https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=61002
Creative-Economy4929@reddit
Maybe awash in oil but it to light for the current refine ries to use and it takes years and billions to change
maverikuyu@reddit
No, my comrade, President Putin will benefit from more expensive oil, more expensive gas, and will be one of the few with the capacity to distribute. This war (if it happens) is for the freedom of Mother Russia.
Slatzor@reddit
Trump isn’t being mislead. I don’t believe it would be close to the end of his presidency. People will follow him no matter what he does.
I don’t think he’s going to bomb Iran until after Easter time. He’s going to try to make them come to the table one more time.
PokeyDiesFirst@reddit
Would unlocking the Strategic Petroleum Reserve ease the pressure in any way, or is that overthinking it?
WombRaider902@reddit
The SPR holds 350 million barrels but the U.S. consumes 20 million barrels/day.Even a full SPR release would only cover 17 days of demand—a temporary Band-Aid.
Slammedtgs@reddit
We produce about 13M bpd, import about 3-4M bpd from Canada. Yes there would be impacts but would not grind the economy to a stop in 17 days.
https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/leafhandler.ashx?n=pet&s=mcrfpus2&f=m
2024-YR4-Asteroid@reddit
You’re assuming we don’t simultaneously tariff Canadian oil into the ground.
Slammedtgs@reddit
We’re stupid but not that stupid.
Key_Secretary_3948@reddit
Most of what we produce we can't refine. Our refineries are set up for crappie Russian oil, our fields produce "sweet" oil
pants_mcgee@reddit
It’s more complex than just being able to produce crude, have to refine it as well. There’s no real way to decouple from the global oil market, the U.S. needs to export the crude it can’t refine for crude it can.
Inner-Confidence99@reddit
Biden and congress sold most of the Strategic Reserves to China and other countries hasn’t been at those levels since it was started.
pants_mcgee@reddit
Doesn’t really matter who it’s sold to. The Biden release was actually a really good plan that protected US oil companies from OPEC market manipulation. Filling the reserve back up is simple, preferably when oil dips.
PokeyDiesFirst@reddit
Citation needed.
KJ6BWB@reddit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_Strategic_Petroleum_Reserve.webp
WankingAsWeSpeak@reddit
The framing is disingenuous and the China part seems to be a made up detail, but https://www.politico.com/news/2023/10/16/biden-oil-reserve-fuels-00121298
GreatBigJerk@reddit
It's funny that you think anything conventional will end his presidency. It doesn't matter what happens, he's president for life at this point.
There aren't going to be legit elections again, and any domestic turmoil is just going to give him pretense to crack down more. He wants to declare martial law.
The sooner people realize what is actually happening, the better.
NoPolitiPosting@reddit
lol. lmao even.
UtopianPablo@reddit
RemindMe! Three years
NoPolitiPosting@reddit
Good luck implementing martial law and invading other countries when the combatant commanders know the "top levels" of the "administration" can't be trusted to keep anything secret.
fuckoffyoudipshit@reddit
The gusto with which the police agencies have been executing trumps illegal orders has me doubting very much that the military is going to be the bullwark against the fascist takeover.
UtopianPablo@reddit
I hope you’re right! But with the way corporations and Big Law are bowing down to Trump, I’d be pleasantly surprised if the military stands up to him. I hope they do though.
NoPolitiPosting@reddit
CEOs and lawyers lives are not directly threatened by this regimes incompetence, the military is
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mark000@reddit (OP)
No way we make it to Nov 2028 for next pres elections IMO. TSHTF before then.
GreatBigJerk@reddit
He's planning for TSHTF. It's the way he can carve up America into corporate fiefdoms.
Violent riots and uprisings are the pretext he needs to declare martial law.
Not guaranteeing that it works out in his favor, but so far he has experienced zero consequences for anything he's done.
Gold_Scene5360@reddit
Can I at least choose my corporate fiefdom, like may the Duchy of LL Bean wouldn’t be too bad.
GreatBigJerk@reddit
It'll be one of the techbros (Musk, Bezos, Zuckerberg, Thiel, Mark Andresson, etc), so there are just various flavors of nightmare fuel.
Ryan_e3p@reddit
Even if he manages to survive past 2028, he's again making serious comments about "running" a 3rd term.
Let there be no mistake; if he ends up being in power past his term, it won't be because there was an election held for it.
jacksontron@reddit
Username checks out
SuggestionHuge1998@reddit
The PayPal Mafia has been able to consolidate power more quickly, and with less resistance than they may have anticipated. Maybe they’re okay pushing Trump towards such a conflict if it could mean they’re able to accelerate their timeline for disposing of him?
Lawineer@reddit
Lol Iran would be wrecked in hours. It would literally be a 2 day long war if we wanted it to be. They’re flying shit from the 70s. They aren’t going to going Hormuz - they’d be lucky to control their own bathtub
Responsible-Craft313@reddit
Don’t forget that ruzzia and china will back Iran up. It’s and ideal situation for both of them.
Beethoven81@reddit
You worry too much, look how Iran retaliated to Israel, how many rockets made it through? Don't think US gives a shit about price of oil, they produce enough on their own and higher price of oil means they make more from exports...
Also it's not like they're going to obliterate and carpet bomb the country, they'll whack a few military facilities, missile launch sites, then ask the government to negotiate again.
Or just do a cyberattack and let people overthrow the government, it's not like population there is super-happy.
darkbarrage99@reddit
i thought the us was importing oil from russi- ohhhhhh.... oh now i get it....
welp, strap in kids
Withoutanymilk77@reddit
Iranian oil production is only 3.4million barrels /day. Not rly the end of the world.
PainInTheRhine@reddit
- Russia basically swims in money
Alii_baba@reddit
and the causality of civilians is not one if your list. Typical dump Americans. why the hell you never learned from your cruel past
7eventhSense@reddit
Canada should also take advantage of this situation and our tariffs on all fuel going out to US. BURY THEM
BalkyBot@reddit
US buy 60% of its oil from Alberta and 0 from Iran.
Europe could be way more affected by the price, especially Grece and Italy.
In the short term, speculation can make the oil rise, but it is unlikely to stick.
Israel & AUE are able to shield oil infrastructure against Iran rockets, especially now with a weakened air defense. An American attack against Iran will likely improve Russia market, bc they will be forced to do more deals with India and China - but will interfere with Europe supply of support to Ukraine.
Again, Europe will be more affected than US.
oybiva@reddit
Oh honey. Trump administration is crashing the economy without going to war with Iran. They are throwing all kinds of shit at the wall to see what sticks. It will be Greenland first, then Canada. Israel will take care of Iran for Trump. While Europe is busy scrambling to stop Trump in North America and helping Ukraine, Putin will scoop in and take over the Baltic countries. I hate being this pessimistic. But I know how the Third Reich rose. We are following the same playbook with Trump in the USA, and Netanyahu in Israel. Russians had been at it for decades.
Daemonsblaze0315@reddit
Wait... I'll pay $10 a gallon if it ends his presidency early. Lol
TheBushidoWay@reddit
It wouldn't be war, war though. It's not like we're trying to take and hold Iran. We're trying to get at their nuclear facilities and maybe regime change.
PrestigiousResult143@reddit
Would this position musk to be the electric vehicle savior?
wetshatz@reddit
Did you forget what happened in the 80s?
Delusional
Diligent-Soup-2176@reddit
So the blueprint is right here. Let’s hope they done Reddit.
Future_Way5516@reddit
Sounds fun
Redditor-991@reddit
Build more pipelines from Canada, problem solved
Sad_Bolt@reddit
Did you forget that the US gets most of its US crude oil from Mexico, Saudis (our allies) and Brazil. The US also has its on crude oil reserves that it doesn’t even pump. If anything gas prices in the US would go down.
TheProfessional9@reddit
Meh news site. And 200 a barrel is unlikely, especially as demand is currently nosediving. It'll go up a lot, but this article is sensationalist
PoorClassWarRoom@reddit
Your lives are in danger. They believe in Eugenics and we are a target. Everything they do is to kill us. Try looking at their policies through that lens. It's chilling to say the least.
GroomaGooma@reddit
Fuck yall talking about lolz
Verryfastdoggo@reddit
Iran believes in Eugenics?
KeyCanThrowAway@reddit
Ted Kazynski is only proven right by the day. The ultra wealthy will displace the masses one way or another.
Augusstine@reddit
We produce way more energy and fuel than we need thanks to fracking and removing the drilling restrictions. So the whole threat of increased gas prices as a result of striking Iran is a moot point.
SanfreakinJ@reddit
I didn’t know that Iran was the only place with oil.
dnhs47@reddit
“… moderately to strongly biased toward conservative causes through story selection and/or political affiliation. They may utilize strong loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using an appeal to emotion or stereotypes), publish misleading reports, and omit information that may damage conservative causes. Some sources in this category may be untrustworthy.” -Media Bias Fact Check
PerceptionKey9514@reddit
Okay, and what if media bias fact checkers are hard left wingers that consider light liberalism to be right wing?
dnhs47@reddit
Everything is a big conspiracy against your beliefs, anything that disagrees with you is part of the conspiracy.
Go check their web site. Educate yourself.
PerceptionKey9514@reddit
Media fact checkers and all these institutions know everything? Did u hear that word “institutions“ btw. Its got a lot of syllablles and is long so must be legit.
They’re backed by the science, and people who wear white robes and carry the holy test tube are called scientists. They know everything.
Thats why they say having a pet, and sitting down less makes you healthy. Cause they look at graphs and they see it, their eyes and minds are more powerful than ours or something… and we gotta ignore any thoughts that pop into our heads like “what if people who have pets are more active than lazy 400 pound dudes eating chips on their couch”
You’re right dude.
SlimmThiccDadd@reddit
You are either a bot or peak brain rot.
Politics and economics can literally be mapped on spectrums. Even if a source is biased, as long as you understand the basics of economic systems, federal/state rights and laws, how our entire civic system works under the constitution, etc. then you can use your little noggin to notice the bias and still extrapolate information from the source material in question. You could even color make little colorful flash cards to carry around with you to keep it fun and engaging so you don’t get distracted.
It’s also ironic you unilaterally bash science from an internet connected device created by centuries of scientific progress. The lack of perspective on things is alarming.
Find the nearest school bus stop, get on the bus, and tell the bus driver that you need to start over.
PerceptionKey9514@reddit
School bus stop? Okay pedo guy.
dnhs47@reddit
You act like measuring bias is complicated; it’s not. Everything you need is right there on the publication’s site. Easy peasy.
You think the bias researcher’s judgement of others’ bias is itself biased? Review their methodology and result. Educate yourself.
You’ve fallen victim to a decades-long effort to undermine the perception of the value of education. That won’t serve you well in life, but it’s a choice.
Does a truck driver with 20 years experience know anything useful compared to a new driver? How about an experienced farmer vs. a new farmer? Welder? Marketing person? Doctor?
Of course people with more experience have learned more about their work and how to do it well - making them more valuable and productive - than newbies. In everything, any type of work, anywhere. That’s why experienced people are paid more.
When your child is seriously ill, do you take them to your neighbor who’s obsessed with health conspiracy theories, or to a medical doctor, maybe a hospital?
That, sadly, is an IQ test that an increasing number of parents fail, to the detriment of their kids. It’s Darwin at work, killing off those who are not “fittest” for survival.
So if you don’t believe doctors know more than you do, or scientists, or media bias researchers - do the world a favor and don’t procreate (that’s a big word for “don’t have children” - look it up).
rawsouthpaw1@reddit
The piece in an opinion / column written by former progressive Congressional rep Dennis Kucinich. It's objective reporting at all, and his credibility is very high. If you read the article you'd see that.
dnhs47@reddit
Yeah, I remember Kucinich. He was extremely liberal, irrationally so IMO, which I say as someone who’s fairly liberal on many topics. His campaigns and candidacy for president were weak, not credible, and failed.
His backward looking writing was credible, as he’s simply recounting facts, but his forward looking predictions are not credible, let alone “very high” credibility.
But you do you.
rawsouthpaw1@reddit
Credible as a witness to history he's using to make arguments about today. Was he wrong about how the war on terror played out? It seems like a lot of the devastating consequences he consistently warned about came to pass with the shameful legacies of the Iraq and Libya invasions, so with that grasp of reality in mind I consider him very credible about his look forward.
As for him not being credible for president: he was a fierce critic of US imperialism and its enablers, especially in the crime of the war on terror campaigns, so therefor he gets painted as "unserious", the treatment all politicians with wacky ideas questioning imperialism get.
dnhs47@reddit
You seem to believe Kucinich was a lone voice in the wilderness, uniquely gifted with foresight. He wasn't. Millions of people shared the same concerns at the time, including me, which implies that millions of us could be just as credible commentators on these same events.
That makes my own forward-looking opinions just as credible as Kucinich's, right?
That he was not credible as a presidential candidate was objectively and conclusively demonstrated by his poor showing in the primary elections he ran in. Miniscule support = not credible.
rawsouthpaw1@reddit
Nah I don't - I was one of the millions visibly holding and projecting similar views, and doing so in the streets at the time.
Comparing what you've shared to what he's shared: sure you have a level a credibility but his is orders of magnitude more compelling and persuasive. You immediately going after the publication as opposed to discussing the author addressing his points already kind of told me this.
He could be very credible as a candidate but not sufficiently popular (electable) enough. Presidential campaigns are more a measure of how subjective corporate electoral politics are in the deeply flawed US system.
dnhs47@reddit
🙄
Chickaduck@reddit
I don’t understand your comment. Are your sayings this article is bias against conservatives?
dnhs47@reddit
The site’s stories are significantly biased toward conservative viewpoints and play fast and loose with facts (I.e., they lie and make shit up).
Chickaduck@reddit
Thanks for clarifying!
Bob4Not@reddit
When Iran supplies 3% of the world’s oil supply, I wouldn’t think that’s enough to more than double oil prices, but I really don’t actually know.
cydetraq@reddit
They are in easy attack range of a lot more of the production and shipping lanes. Commodity pricing also factors in what people think will happen in the future. If Iran gets attacked—more than a symbolic attack—the US allies in missile range will be attacked too. It’s not Iran’s oil output that’s at issue here, rather what they can affect with resources available to them.
Bob4Not@reddit
That makes more sense
WombRaider902@reddit
If Iranian missiles and drones can hit Israel,then they can hit and destroy Persian Gulf nations like Saudi Arabia,Kuwait,Qatar,UAE that are closer to Iran with ease. And the distance time is shorter and they can hit those oil and gas infrastructure within minutes. Basically overwhelming air defense. And when those oil and gas infrastructure is destroyed it will take decades to rebuild and that assumes those nations don’t collapse.
Bob4Not@reddit
I didn’t think of that, that would make a big wave
iveseensomethings82@reddit
Instability in the region and risk of attacks on exports would definitely move the needle on prices
Bob4Not@reddit
I’m sure it will, my uninformed intuition is skeptical that even cutting off 3% of the world’s supply would bring up the price by 150% - at least for very long until other supply sources respond.
aiknowsbest@reddit
I take the train and pay $33/month for unlimited rides. I’m fine.
Prestigious-Plant338@reddit
So does your grocery ride the train from the manufacturer to the store to your house?
Roamer56@reddit
War with Iran means goodbye to the main Saudi oil terminal and refinery in Ras Tanura. It’s right across the Gulf.
AcadiaWonderful1796@reddit
The US will just get cheap gas from Krasnov’s buddy Putin
Pretend-Marsupial258@reddit
The US is the #1 largest oil producer in the world. We make almost twice as much oil as Russia does. Why would we need anything from them? lol
AcadiaWonderful1796@reddit
Because we consume more oil than we produce. We cannot sustain our domestic need with our production. We have to import oil.
Pretend-Marsupial258@reddit
And we import from closer places like Canada. I don't think we even have the infrastructure to handle crude oil from Russia.
AcadiaWonderful1796@reddit
You think Canada is going to keep selling us oil if the moron in chief keeps threatening to invade them?
Pretend-Marsupial258@reddit
Russia isn't our friend either. Putin is delusional enough that he wants to take back Alaska. Sure, Trump is sucking up to him but Putin doesn't give a shit about him and still wants to destroy the US.
fruderduck@reddit
Nah. Trump said Putin made him angry 🙄 so he’ll play tariff war on Russian oil:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/mar/31/donald-trump-vladimir-putin-volodymyr-zelenskyy-russia-ukraine-war-ceasefire-news-live-latest
Ok-Yogurt-5552@reddit
Prices are going to triple because of Iran, who supplies 3% of the world’s oil? Give me a fucking break, this dude is a clown.
What is Iran going to do in the strait of Hormuz against the US Navy? Get destroyed in a day like they did a few decades ago?
How is Iran going to target Gulf oil infrastructure? They fired hundreds of missiles at Israel and barely damaged anything. What are they going to target it with, the missiles and bombs that the US air force is now going to easily destroy? Kudos to Israel for taking out Iran’s air defenses.
This is just more doom and gloom nonsense from someone who has their head so far up their ass they can barely make out their own bullshit.
If that wasn’t enough, the author goes on to say this:
Lol. “Iran promises it’s enriching Uranium way past normal use levels for peaceful purposes guys. They even told their guys not to build a nuclear bomb. They totally swear they won’t build a nuclear bomb”. If you believe this bullshit I have a golden bridge to sell you. Just venmo me for it first and then I’ll send it in the mail. I totally swear I will!
Iran is the largest state sponsor of terror that is run by Islamic fundamentalists who want to topple the world order and eventually have a global Islamic revolution. If they get nukes it’s only a matter of time before terrorist organizations have nukes. Iran’s nuclear program and oil infrastructure needs to be bombed to smithereens. This should have happened years ago. Sure it might get a bit bumpy, but global recession? Market panic? Tripling of gas prices? This is just blatant sensationalism.
mark000@reddit (OP)
If you think oil tankers are going to enter the Persian Gulf during hostilities you are sadly mistaken. I mean the Houthis have closed the Red Sea to half the world you know....
Ok-Yogurt-5552@reddit
So they’ll take other routes during the short time of hostilities. Will this affect oil and gas prices? Yes. Will it triple them? Absolutely not.
Yes Red Sea shipping has dramatically dropped and yet prices have not tripled or doubled.
If Iran wants to choke off its main export then I say let them. Yes we should expect economic effects, but let’s be realistic about what those will be. Those economic effects are well worth the price of keeping nuclear weapons out of the hands of Islamic fundamentalist terrorists whose core ideology is based in an expansionist holy war.
Ant0n61@reddit
this guy just reads anti Israeli and has been going on about one side of the equation for years.
Iran supplies 3% of worlds oil but it’ll cause a 3x increase in price per barrel?
Granted yes they might hit Saudi refineries to cause issues in supply, but given all their anti air systems were destroyed by Israel, I don’t see much of any fight out up to prevent any missiles launchers being taken out.
Iran has essentially no air force either. Between reaper drones, f-35s, b-2s and potentially even combat debut of the raider, Iran is all talk about region wide destruction.
This is a nonsense article.
cjdna@reddit
They only need to remain dangerous to civilian shipping in the Straight of Hormuz, which about one fifth to one fourth of the world’s oil moves through depending on the source, plus a lot of LNG. That is something they can definitely do. In addition to that, blowing away the loading terminals and other infrastructure is totally within their capabilities. If they’re actually prepared to go the distance, the effect will not be trivial.
Also, not even close to all their air defense systems were destroyed. It seems like the Israelis targeted the radar sets for the S-300 batteries. Doubtful they’d be good for much in any case, though.
Even if we did export bans and our refineries were completely tooled up for light crude, the global effects to supply chains and aggregate demand would be jarring. There’s no way to totally insulate yourself from the Strait of Hormuz closing, and the result could be very severe.
Ant0n61@reddit
I think it’s blown out of proportion on the impact Iran could have.
They will literally be blown into the Stone Age when the time comes. They are now isolated more than ever without their Levant proxies which also gives them less teeth on potential regional fallout of a large scale direct attack. And the houthis will be rocked for foreseeable future.
I don’t see much downside to unleashing top aerial weaponry against them if they do not heed to negotiating out of having nuclear weapons.
Their attacks directly on Israel last year show this regime will go as far as they say to accomplish their insane goals of destroying Israel. They have also attacked US bases in the past not to mention funding IEDs for Iraqi insurgents back in the day against American forces.
They must not be able to obtain nukes.
cjdna@reddit
The problem can’t be solved from the air. The geography combined with the scale of the investment in stand-off munitions can’t be nullified with technical superiority. The air assets in theatre now are not nearly sufficient for sustained suppression of anti shipping capabilities and ballistics missile salvos. The Houthis have remained dangerous for quite a while with much, much less than the Iranians have.
The only way out would be a negotiated settlement or a ground invasion. The former could maybe be done in weeks, the latter would take several months at a minimum to even get underway. And during all the intervening time, the economic impacts will be compounding, and if a lot of infrastructure is blown away, if even shipping is safe, it make take months or even years before production catches up to pre war levels.
Blue_Snow_9059@reddit
I disagree. There are a handful of strategic facilities involved with the Iranian nuclear program. Most (if not all) can be bombed through an air offensive using bunker busters, and those that remain might require a targeted ground op, similar to the ones conducted by Israel in Syria.
No need for a long-term military presence.
cjdna@reddit
And when damage control gets on the phone with the Ayatollah and tells him that the centrifuges are now bomb craters, they just do nothing?
Blue_Snow_9059@reddit
They are quite limited in their response options - see the two attacks they tried to carry out on Israel last year. Especially since they know the US will respond in kind to any further attempts.
cjdna@reddit
They managed 20-30 hits on a single base covered by the world’s densest, most sophisticated air defense network in October. Now imagine that around the clock for several days minimum on all US bases in the region.
But suppose they can’t do any real damage that way. They don’t need to. They just need to close the Straight and hit as much energy infrastructure as possible. They have everything they might need in order to do that, and it would take many thousands of sorties to meaningfully degrade that ability.
Blue_Snow_9059@reddit
I think you got a very wrong impression about the results of last October's attack. The attack caused zero fatalities and zero wounded, with only negligible damage to a few structures. No equipment or aircraft damage at all. The vast majority of the Iranian missiles were intercepted, with some debris falling down.
To your second point, wouldn't it be similar to them attempting to choke themselves by not allowing trade in and out? And even if they do, they'll be risking even more damage and humiliation.
cjdna@reddit
I’m fully aware that the October attack didn’t cause meaningful damage, but that doesn’t mean it was a non event, and prudent commanders are probably not treating it that way. 20-32 hits isn’t insignificant, even if the CEPs weren’t good enough to produce serious damage. At the very least, the missile crews, technicians, and engineers got valuable combat experience and data.
If war breaks out in earnest, what remains of Iran’s oil trade is immediately going to zero whether or not they close the straight. Closing the straight will, at that point, be far more damaging to their enemies than it will be to them.
Ant0n61@reddit
I think with Israeli spies having completely infiltrated the regime along with the latest satellite imagery, they would have a tough time getting anything serious off the ground.
Unless they have bases somewhere no one knows. Which I would place close to zero.
A hard hitting and sustained attack to knock out most of their missiles capabilities likely leads to an uprising if anything. That’s the real winning strategy, give the Iranian people the clear signal that regime is being systemically targeted for elimination. Theyll finish the job on the ground then.
justmekpc@reddit
I don’t see it as Iran is trumps boss putins ally who is providing Russia with drones
Just more hot air to deflect from his failures
just_watchinya@reddit
It was time for you America s to get fucked by a politician, like we all "the rest of the world" are
bigtom624@reddit
Fear mongering. We would wipe Iran off the map quickly
Resident_Chip935@reddit
I think that Donald Trump would do anything including drain the entirety of the US Strategic Petroleum Reserve to prevent fuel prices from rising.
Trump's supporters can ignore everything else except high gas prices.
Leather-Age-5835@reddit
They can ignore an education pretty damn good
crassboi@reddit
There is not enough oil in the SPR to keep prices low
Slatzor@reddit
Trump isn’t being mislead. I don’t believe it would be close to the end of his presidency. People will follow him no matter what he does.
I don’t think he’s going to bomb Iran until after Easter time. He’s going to try to make them come to the table one more time.
iamgrooty2781@reddit
Maybe another way they are trying to push Tesla - “gas is too expensive, get a Tesla”
ripoff54@reddit
ELI5: why doesn’t the good old USA have this refining process/capacity issue figured out by now? Have we just ignored it? It’s a known issue.
limelimpidgreen@reddit
All crude oil isn’t the same, and the US has some very advanced refining capabilities that are better suited to refine crude from other places. So places that make heavy crude send it to us to refine, while we send our light sweet crude to places that have less advanced refining capabilities.
ripoff54@reddit
Thanks for your input.
Ebscriptwalker@reddit
Because industry knows the writing is on the wall for gasoline. Like it or not it will be obsolete in the near future. Lithium is only a battery segue into the more efficient battery teck being worked on now. The earth has an abundance of fresh energy it is pelted with daily, and there is no amount of lobbying that can stop the world from using it. So it is not in commercial ventures best interest to expand their capacity to refine a different type of oil. You can say I'm wrong all you want, but if your sure I am maybe you should be the one telling me the reason.
ripoff54@reddit
I won’t say you’re wrong. I make donuts for a small family supermarket. My experience with refining oil is limited to changing the oil in a donut fryer lol. It just seems to me like I’ve been hearing about the lack of refining capabilities for a long time now. If it’s an economic issue sure I would not say that you’re wrong. Thanks for your input.
Ebscriptwalker@reddit
Well to be honest I was a bit combative which I apologize for. I realized I was doing it while during my reply, and should have changed course then, but you bested me on being cordial, and it's appreciated. Now from my understanding our refining the type of oil that Canada produces has always been more profitable for the u. S. To refine.
steveojones52@reddit
And America should fight this alone, no NATO or other free western country should come to the aid of america, they under Trump want to be alone. It won't happen anyway putin will give trump his orders
AmaTxGuy@reddit
This is based on a long war.. we can neutralize their ability within days. We aren't going to put boots on the ground. Just destroy their ability to project.
Also no way we will get 10 dollar gas. Maybe in California where it's already 7. But in Texas I'm paying 2.20
Both-Count1992@reddit
Maybe this is part of the plan to get people to buy a Tesla
Blue_Snow_9059@reddit
Full disclosure: Israeli American here.
I wonder why I'm not seeing more diverse opinions on this topic, so let me just ask the seemingly rhetorical question:
Would you prefer nuclear-armed radical islamic terrorists who chant "death to America, death to Israel" - or risk a possible, temporary spike in gas prices?
PowerfulStranger2199@reddit
Who starts the violence who starts wars? It is better to take out the root cause of violence. Before israel was created, there was peace
sunshineandthecloud@reddit
Everything said here is the truth. Amazing article. Thanks you Dennis.
BronzeSpoon89@reddit
This sounds a lot like iranian propaganda.
ImportantBiscotti112@reddit
What exactly is the intel here?
PrepperBoi@reddit
This channel is just hypotheticals now lol
PrepperBoi@reddit
Gas wasn’t $10/gallon the last time there was war in the region though…
Ok_Sea_6214@reddit
A crisis of any kind will collapse the stock markets, which will trigger bank bail ins, which will cause global government debt default, starting with US treasuries. The global economy would grind to a halt that would make Covid look like a high speed train.
The concern isn't $200 oil, it's $0.2 oil, a Great Depression style hyperdeflationary collapse.
Makersblend@reddit
I don’t understand why the poster thinks oil is going to double when we had essentially taken Iran’s oil off the market for years. I don’t see that happening. This isn’t the 70s.
RealisticTheme6786@reddit
Too nuanced for Trumps little mind.
espomar@reddit
Trump is not going to attack Iran. Maybe a few bombing runs and big words, that’s it. He knows it would be impossible to seriously get involved in a war with Iran.
He will prefer to attack the USA’s most deadly enemy: Canada. After a prelude of invading Greenland without real opposition from NATO, he will take that as a green light to invade his neighbour to the north.
But he has not learned the less of history when it comes to invading Canada.
MacRockwell@reddit
The collapse of the middle and lower class economy. There are a few who can ride anything out.
Evening-Feature1153@reddit
Bring it on.
FrostyAlphaPig@reddit
The US makes more oil than they import , gas will be fine.
HauntingEngine5568@reddit
Fuck Trump and fuck Cult45
ApprehensivePay1804@reddit
How about the end of the world? Yeah, we won’t survive a nuclear war.
Puzzleheaded_Popup@reddit
Can we add open door policy for China on south China Sea, Taiwan, japan and Philippines, too.
AemAer@reddit
That’s their goal! Imagine how easy it would be to cull the masses, who now more than ever in the face of self-teaching AI and mass automation, have even less to offer them in exploitable labor value.
dyslexic-alien@reddit
$10? Lmao!, try $20+. The world would be pissed at the US too so prepare several non aligned countries to give us the middle finger.
PersiusAlloy@reddit
Reddits obsession thinking Trump is going to go to war and invade everyone is utterly embarrassing and hilarious.
Road_to_Wigan_Pier@reddit
There won’t be any US war with Iran no matter how hard Israel and the US Dual Citizenship, Single Loyalty Neo-Cons push.
President Trump is smarter than all of them. They think they are playing him but it’s just the opposite.
No one wins non-consecutive POTUS terms without being brilliant.
Underestimate him all you like but there will be no other non-consecutive POTUS in your lifetime.
But this means that in future there will also be no Israel.
You can’t have it both ways.
President Trump is of German-Scottish extraction and he knows where he comes from, who his people are and he remembered well his Father’s lessons about EVIL in this world.
kingofhearts778@reddit
Why would we go to war with Iran? We joined the axis forces for this world war.
Zippy_STO@reddit
I agree russia or north korea would not attack iran why would the US betray its allies??
NarutoRunner@reddit
The one country that really wants US and Iran to fight
Hector_Smijha409@reddit
Also Wonderful Pistachios. Super rich with massive lobbying power. Their largest competitor in the pistachio market is Iran.
PoorClassWarRoom@reddit
Isre@I
fredean01@reddit
So Iran is now the Allies? What next, North Korea?
kingofhearts778@reddit
Exactly my point.
Baalphire81@reddit
Wow, this was a great read. I usually read Foreign Affairs for this type of insight. Thank you for sharing!
Ant0n61@reddit
it actually isn’t a “great read.”
There is way more to this than, “Iran is dangerous. We shouldn’t threaten them or strike them.”
They would be wiped out in a few hours. The bigger issue is whether the regime survives the attack. If they do, then it’ll be likely civil war in Iran more than anything. The ayatollah is weak as is.
MirabilisLiber@reddit
Iran being wiped out "in a few hours" is the worst prediction I have ever seen. Iran's population centers are well-defended geographically, and their entire military is purpose-built to defend against US attack since they overthrew the US-CIA puppet in 1979. As much as most average people hate the mullahs, absolutely nothing would unify Iran faster than an attack from an outside force.
Ant0n61@reddit
absolute nonsense.
There’s nothing uniting Iran. It’s a ticking time bomb for when the time is right for the mullahs to be overthrown. Each passing protest movement is larger and larger.
The key is to not hit regime assets and leave civilian areas alone.
MirabilisLiber@reddit
The absolute arrogance from ignorant Americans will never cease to amaze me.
Ant0n61@reddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/AllThatIsInteresting/s/edAy6b6Oyb
^ why regime is house of cards
yepyeptoko@reddit
Iran would be turned into a parking lot in two days
Agitated_Skill5496@reddit
The money printer goes brrrrr
Impossible-Edge-349@reddit
This is most doomsday echo chamber there is. You guys need to get out more
_WeAreFucked_@reddit
He’s simpin for Bibi the Butcher so yeah we’re fucked.
tritiatedpear@reddit
Americans have the best allies. Israel, Russia, North Korea all the best countries.
Kamen_rider_B@reddit
War with Iran seems very unusual at this point. Iran is one of top countries providing military assistance to Russia. That assistance would definitely be interrupted. But would Russia help Iran? They didn’t do jack shit in Syria so even if Russia wanted to, they can’t do much. Pretty much all dictator-run countries would condemn this US attack, and trump has a thing for dictators. Then again Israel wants the bombing of Iran to happen, and trump wants to appease this ultra right wing Israel govt at any cost.. ahhh so confusing!!!
rmodsrpusees@reddit
All speculation. Pretty much bullshit.
tkb072003@reddit
Strong sources usually have Temu and “Doctors hate him…” advertisements on their sites…
Big_Fortune_4574@reddit
The author is Dennis Kucinich. So that’s the source, judge it based on what you think of him.
Alpharious9@reddit
A nuclear Iran is a situation worth some disruption to avoid.
Basement_Chicken@reddit
Agent Krasnov's boss would love $200 per barrel oil, that would throw him a lifeline.
Infinite_Question344@reddit
Y’all are the smartest people in the room lol 🤣
Buzz729@reddit
Putin is manipulating Trump into moves to destroy the US. Trump is more devastating than a dozen nukes dropped on us.
Happily-Non-Partisan@reddit
Yet, all of our oil imports come from Iran's enemies.
Background_March508@reddit
How old are you guys that are talking about war with Iran ? Are you in your twenties or younger…. United States always enters with gloves on .. with Iran and Trump the gloves come off in other words it would be a professional fighting a amateur
WombRaider902@reddit
Millennium Challenge 2002 only this time Iran has drones and advanced drone technology. The US has been bombing Yemen for a year and they still are able to send missiles into Israel.
reddituseAI2ban@reddit
Musk wants gas at 10$
Beneficial-Month5424@reddit
Would be over before it started. 80 percent of the people are against the regime.
Chanisspeed@reddit
Didn’t happen with the first Gulf war
Sad_Bolt@reddit
The anti-maga crowd is so blinded by their hate they seem to have forgotten US gas comes primarily from Canada, the Saudis and Brazil while the US doesn’t even use their own wells most of the time.
Responsible-Annual21@reddit
Right but if we cut off the supply to other countries where do you think they’re going to turn for crude? It still has an impact on us if the world loses Iranian oil.
Sad_Bolt@reddit
Yes, but the point of the article is criticizing stating gas prices will jump here, which is highly unlikely. The US will just use their wells instead of their winds up being a shortage.
PokeyDiesFirst@reddit
And how are relations going with Canada currently?
semena_@reddit
/r/doomercirclejerk
roko_snek@reddit
“The price of a gallon of gas, currently averaging $3.13, would double, approach $7 a gallon, and in some cases, reach $10 a gallon, in states with higher fuel taxes. (This is based on historical data which calculates that every $1 increase in crude oil per barrel translates to about a 2 to 3 cent increase per gallon at the pump).”
This is misleading, and doesn’t factor in modern oil flows. The us imports a few thousand barrels a day into Galveston because some refineries haven’t yet retooled for American/canadian shale. The US uses around 20 million barrels of oil per day. The divergence in us gas prices from European gas prices from 2022 show that the us market is insulated from supply shocks from Asian fields. The primary us market impacted by supply shocks is….anything WEST of the Rocky Mountains, because it’s too expensive to pump petroleum over the mountains, so the US imports to serve that geographic region.
mark000@reddit (OP)
Gas went from $3 in Sep 2021 to $5 in June 2022 you know.
luv2fly781@reddit
He goes ahead with tariffs this week and you will have tariffs on Oil and Energy imports.
Maleficent-Theory908@reddit
I think we are being a bit dramatic.But it's possible. Venezuela would become our new friends before that $200 barrel happened. Things would suck, but boomers would justify every bit while they dined on ramen noodles daily.
Creative-Economy4929@reddit
And we will be on our own, nobody is with the US after he has ran mouth.
beastwood6@reddit
Setting aside the true jingoistic calamity that unfettered aggression against Iran would cause -
I highly doubt it would go to 10 a gallon on average. The U.S. is the top oil producer and has to frequently ramp down production because of oversupply. If Iran stopped the flow, Europe, Japan, and India would just have to buy from us in the meantime. It would reduce the supply in the short term but bounce right back. Probably also spur another wave of EV buys like in the 2010s.
BuraqRiderMomo@reddit
I dont think it would cause an immediate collapse. Maybe a slow one like the roman empire one.
PlayNicePlayCrazy@reddit
Well if Iran would just negotiate a new nuclear deal with the orange man who quit the last agreement there wouldn't be a problem.
No-Group7343@reddit
Yea MAGA! 🤡💩🤣🤣🤣