Is this book also popular in your country?
Posted by Long_Try2224@reddit | AskBalkans | View on Reddit | 89 comments

Honestly i read it and i think it was kinda mid. But what i wonder is i've heard that its not really popular in Finland or other western/northern european countries. Which confused me because its really popular in Turkey and i heard its popular in Bulgaria too. Which made me wonder if its a popular book in corrupted regimes who want to get rid of that corruption and reach to level of modern day finland. So this book basically what people of these countries wish. And you know balkans is the name that comes to mind when you mentione these. So i wonder is my theory correct is "The Country of White Lilies" a popular book in your country
illougiankides@reddit
I read it in high school. It was ok at first but after a while it starts worshipping this man whom i forgot the name and gets boring. I talked about it in my literature class and said the worshipping part is as dull and repetitive like we do for Atatürk and got her really mad.
Long_Try2224@reddit (OP)
I agree with book but worshipping to Atatürk? Who does that in Turkey respceting and following leads of a countrys founding father means worshipping?
YpogaTouArGrease@reddit
Are you blind or have you not seen Turkey in the last,I don't know,102 years of its existence? xD
Long_Try2224@reddit (OP)
I litreally live in it. And im not going to take lectuare from a greek about the relationship of Atatürk and Turkish people
YpogaTouArGrease@reddit
That "relationship" is called cult following.Quite the typical thing for a dictator, actually .
Also,I was using irony in my previous comment.I know most of you fail to see it.
Like I always like to say,Turkey has 2 main religions.That is the Ataturk Fan Club and Islam.
Besides I have read the book.I must admit,I have read better propaganda than that.
Renacimiento1234@reddit
I can even say that, his name remains as a reactionary figure in Turkish politics. Some things he made were clearly wrong and must be criticised. Turkey cannot remain as a nation state. Minorities need to be recognised. We need to move towards a form of pluralism. The Kemalist insistince to reject all these led to two things. Political Islam (akp) and PKK (kurdish seperatism). People insist on blaming these factions as evil people and not understand why and how they come into existence. This is mostly because of Kemalism. Kemalism had great contribution to turkey, but also had fucked up shit that built the grounds of our current day problems
YpogaTouArGrease@reddit
I don't know man, the fact that 102 years later your political parties haven't changed one bit is really... odd.
Besides that,your politics have reached a point of Americanisation where they are quite fucked for the average Joe. Seriously I'm gonna lose my mind the next time I hear a Kemalist calling himself "leftist".
dwolven@reddit
Once more Turks are witnessing under this topic, how political islamists, people supports an officially recognized terrorist organization and interestingly(?) a Greek, stand at the same position against Mustafa Kemal. This itself is enough.
YpogaTouArGrease@reddit
I admit I cannot understand what you try to say here.
lagash-nergal@reddit
They literally have changed though?
Renacimiento1234@reddit
The paradigm in turkey is very right wing leaning unfortunately
YpogaTouArGrease@reddit
Probably the same is about to start in Greece. Dark times indeed.
Atvaaa@reddit
Gross simplification. There is no valid reason to start an armed terror group. It's even more scummy to auto associate Kurdish irredentism or civil right movements with PKK, which operated exactly the way ISIS did.
Long_Try2224@reddit (OP)
As i Said im not gonna take any lectuare from you. You are a blind person who cant tell the difference between Respecting and showing love to somebody
YpogaTouArGrease@reddit
I read most if not all of Ataturk's speeches back in highschool (I managed to finish Nutuk this week).I can tell you that even with my one eye working that I ain't blind.
What you Turks do with Ataturk isn't respecting,it is cult worshipping and deification.It's a typical characteristic of authoritarian governments and dictators.
It is also spelled "lecture" ( Yes,I know you typed that in a hurry :D)
dwolven@reddit
Authoritarian. Wow, great observation. Let me tell you something, the governor of the folk prior to him was a SULTAN for about 600 years.
YpogaTouArGrease@reddit
That doesn't make Ataturk less an authoritarian than he already was.I mean,even Turkey hasn't managed to shrug authoritarianism off completely,even after 102 years .
Not every country that transitioned/rebelled had authoritarians afterwards.
Kitsooos@reddit
Τι σόι 15χρονο κάθεται και διαβάζει όλους τους λόγους του Κεμάλ ? Γιατί ?
YpogaTouArGrease@reddit
Ήθελα να το παίξω έξυπνος ότι έχω διαβάσει το Mein Kampf. Αφού το τελείωσα, μπήκα σε ένα ας πούμε rabbit hole βιβλίων και ομιλιών για πολιτικούς , κυρίως δικτάτορες.
Το ένα φέρνει το άλλο,μια που είχα καλό επίπεδο αγγλικών στα 17 ,μια που είχαμε ιστορία κατεύθυνσης την νεώτερη ιστορία(ναυτιλία προσφυγικό, διχασμός και τέτοια)και άκουγα παπάτζες από καθηγητές και συμμαθητές , ε είπα να διαβάσω και το Nutuk μπας και έχω σφαιρική γνώση περί του μαθήματος και των ελληνοτουρκικών σχέσεων γενικότερα.
Long_Try2224@reddit (OP)
Actually i only know how word spelled didint know how to write so no
Cope as much as you can not giving a fuck
Yeah Atatürk and Turkish people live rent free in greeks head i know that %70 of your live is talking about us,Atatürk
YpogaTouArGrease@reddit
Baby that's the meaning of spelling xD
You do give a fuck, actually.You keep giving me your attention.
Not really,I just can't resist triggering people, including authoritarian-worshiping fools.Too bad the average Turk falls into that category.
Also, it's "70%" and I also think you meant "life" instead of "live".
With love,komsu :D
Long_Try2224@reddit (OP)
There is been greeks that told me this to my Sister during her master degree at New York universty so not "not really". Also im 17 and i obusvisly making mistakes while writing english nothing about you sweetie
AppointmentWeird6797@reddit
17? Does your mother know you are writing this stuff? And if you say you are 17, you are probably 15 anyway.
Long_Try2224@reddit (OP)
Yes she does and no im not 15
YpogaTouArGrease@reddit
I don't remember average Greeks in New York being experts on the minds of all the Greeks.
I told you before, I'm just messing with you :D . Your English is quite good for a 17 year old Turk, most Turks who come in Greece can't form a single sentence(speaking from experience).
Wait,now that I think of it ... don't you have school tomorrow? xD
Wisdom_Library92@reddit
We dont really need B2- C1 level English for communicating actually .
Btw diaspora is way radical than the people who lives in their own country. Australia Melbourne and California is greek equivalent of Mehmet in Berlin. So its normal for us to live rent free in heads your diaspora.
Btw we are in bayram so we have holiday for 3 days but dont you have other things to do rather than thinking like you are messing with 17 years old guy. Because in Turkish we have an idiom called "Çocukla çocuk olmak." And you really did that just now . You are thinking like you are messing but actually you are the one who is looking like someone who are still in his puberty. İt looks like your dad and mom spoiled you from very beginning instead of teaching you some lesson. Too sad you are very far away from being mature and this idiom explains your situation
("Better a dolar earner than ten inherited")
Go find a job for yourself instead of living off with your father's money. İt should be a shameless thing for someone who is in your age .
Btw this paragraph is written by someone who is 20 years old. The intelligence is in the head not in the age. This explains your situation very well i guess.
See ya komşu (:
YpogaTouArGrease@reddit
> dont you have other things to do rather than thinking like you are messing with 17 years old guy
It's called insomnia. You will probably get plenty of it once you grow up,kid.
Besides ,how well do you expect me to treat a stupid kid who has reddit and posts these types of shit?This isn't a school and I am not a teacher :D
>İt looks like your dad and mom spoiled you from very beginning instead of teaching you some lesson. Too sad you are very far away from being mature and this idiom explains your situation
("Better a dolar earner than ten inherited")
Go find a job for yourself instead of living off with your father's money. İt should be a shameless thing for someone who is in your age .
Damn you all like making assumptions don't you?Looks like I really hit a nerve in the Ataturk Fan Club Community xD
>The intelligence is in the head not in the age. This explains your situation very well i guess.
Nah,not really. Intelligence on its own means nothing. The OP is both of low intelligence(judging by how well he understands the specific book) and quite immature (considering his reaction to anything he did not like in this comment section),even for his age.
Long_Try2224@reddit (OP)
Nah we are on spring break. Dont you have work tomorrow?
Not minds of all greeks but just like avarge citizen of every country an avarge greek know mentalitly of majoirty greeks
YpogaTouArGrease@reddit
Nah kid, I'm on vacations.
Jokes on you, a Turk living in Athens told me about the Ataturk Fan Club(the saying is his joke,I found it too funny so I like using it).So I guess, using your logic, it's also true :D
Long_Try2224@reddit (OP)
Or unempolyent
Its not a fan or stuff thing but yes i wont get offended in fact get proud of calling as "Fan of Atatürk" so yeah lets say yes
YpogaTouArGrease@reddit
It's spelled "unemployment" /s
No, there is a thing called "vacation" actually.You will know of it once you get a job.
There is no honour in being in a Fan Club actually.Or ,you know, idolising people, especially politicians.In time,you will understand that.
Long_Try2224@reddit (OP)
You clearly has some issues you cant understane what people say. I was meant that you might be unempolyed and say "im on vacation" as a lie. But thats even more hillarious a grown greek man doesnt have anything better to do than debate a teenage Turkish boy at 2.40 (lets say 1.30 in greece)
Well i do idolise people and Atatürk is one of them. And Atatürk is more than a political figure in Turkey his our founding father
YpogaTouArGrease@reddit
I know you know,you just don't know that I already know.
I'm not debating you, I'm trolling you.
Actually 🤓 it's 2:44 here, we had an hour shift yesterday.
Poor kid.As I said,in time you will understand.
Long_Try2224@reddit (OP)
Even funnier
Im not gonna take future advice from an internet troll thx
YpogaTouArGrease@reddit
It's actually 🤓 called insomnia
You know what they say about the internet trolls,right?
Long_Try2224@reddit (OP)
This is funny
Not really i spend less than %5 of my day at reddit ussulay what?
YpogaTouArGrease@reddit
I think you mean 5%
You lie,your comment history says otherwise :p
Long_Try2224@reddit (OP)
I said usually honey
YpogaTouArGrease@reddit
That's also a lie 😅
Long_Try2224@reddit (OP)
A lie like your vacation bro? Shouldnt you care with your wife?
YpogaTouArGrease@reddit
Again,there is a thing called "vacation".Again you will come to respect it when you grow up,young padawan.
Why would you think I have a wife? xD Women are literally the Antichrist.
It's actually 🤓 "Shouldn't you care about your wife".
Long_Try2224@reddit (OP)
Or at this age you still couldnt meet a woman. I wonder why
I meant that you are unempolyED wouldnt be a suprise
Btw i wonder how old are you grandpa
YpogaTouArGrease@reddit
Why the fuck would I want to meet a woman? I don't even like them
Unemployment is pretty bad in the Balkans and salaries are quite bad,but I managed to push through, thankfully.
Did you just assume my gender?
Long_Try2224@reddit (OP)
Yeah balkan moms still can feed their kids
So you are either gay or you dont have any social life
Yeah
YpogaTouArGrease@reddit
Thankfully I know how to take care of my own.Many people act as an extra burden for their parents-that's not good.
Bad person 😡
Long_Try2224@reddit (OP)
Calm down bro yes you are right your bf feeds you
Bad gay
YpogaTouArGrease@reddit
😔
Long_Try2224@reddit (OP)
I would like to keep talking but im interested in girls my age not 30 years old gay greeks so good night
YpogaTouArGrease@reddit
Never feed a troll kid
xD
Long_Try2224@reddit (OP)
Yeah right thats what your bf should do by and good luck at your life. I hope you get better achivements then being a troll also happy cake day
YpogaTouArGrease@reddit
Again, stop feeding the troll kid
Long_Try2224@reddit (OP)
Thats even more pathetic a grown greek man with a job doesnt have anything better than "trolling" a teenage Turkish boy
Im sorry what do you know about me to call me "poor kid". Clearly since you didint have any big Dreams in your life you never had a mentor,hero to guiade you to that dream with actions he/she did while living. I idolise Atatürk because he was a genius he was one of the breavest person history seen. Not just Atatürk Marie Curie,Tesla,Einstein,Halide Edip Adıvar... I have pleny of idols because i beliave that i will be like them one Day
Long_Try2224@reddit (OP)
Also as i said nobody gives a .... about what you think
Renacimiento1234@reddit
It is a cult of personality. My american friend was visiting Istanbul. We walked in the road paralel to bosphorus in besiktas. They are bunch of ataturk pictures on the walls. He was very surprised and couldnt really understand why it was there. He compared it to mao. He was right. He is glorified and still a political figure.
8NkB8@reddit
Why? You're posting in a Balkans group.
Plus, Ataturk was a dictator and there's no shame in admitting it. He did good things and bad things, like any other interwar leader with authoritarian tendencies.
Long_Try2224@reddit (OP)
I was posted to know about a book. Not get a lesson from a greek especially on this subject. Yeah Atatürk was a dictator thats why he brought democray and secularism and instead of saying when i gone you will not find bread to eat (like Trump did) he said my human body of course will become soil one Day but the republic of Turkey last forever (=
Kalypso_95@reddit
Jesus Christ, they get indoctrinated in such a young age....
Long_Try2224@reddit (OP)
Yeah sorry for not being ashamed of my nation,country and founding father
illougiankides@reddit
I don’t agree with personality cults, like Atatürk was great but he wasn’t the only one to create the republic. At my schools it was always regarded like Atatürk was a divine personality who made no wrongs at all and nothing about him could be discussed. He was the epitome of the man. They were forcing 10 y/o kids to cry when reading poems about him. How kim jong il is that!? I like Atatürk but dislike the way his crowd treats him like a god, this book was the same about that one leader who freed Finland. As if he alone fought the tsarist Russia and invented Finland.
Long_Try2224@reddit (OP)
Ulan ne diyorsun? Atatürk'ün arkadaşları da Türk eğitim sisteminde Atatürk kadar adları geçiyor halkın da adı geçiyor kim seni zorluyor şiir de agla diye. Atatürk lider olduğu için en çok ilginin ona gitmesi normal değil mi sence
Far-Picture-1125@reddit
Ahaha arkadaşın Haluk Bilginer'liği tutmuş (Babamızı aşmalıyıızz). En tarafsız, aydınlanmacı enteletüel kendisidir, seküler toplumlar yaratmak için hiçbir kutsi, yarı kutsi değer olmamalıdır ama sol liberal değerler işin içine girince "Orada duuur". Pronoun'u doğru demedin, haydi hapse.
Benim akaplı anam da istiklal marşını ezbere biliyor. Küçükken -zorla- ona öğretmişler (bence gerek değil). Ne oldu sakat mı kaldı? Özgürlüğü elinden alınıp hipnotize mi oldu? Toplumlar kutsal değerler olmadan bir yerlere yönlendirilemez. Ha Batı'da da olmadığını düşünüyorsa rüya görüyor.
Biz de demiyoruz adamı Allah katına çıkaralım. Bunu demek de 2025'te dünyanın en kolay şeyi kendisini Voltaire sanıyor ahaha. Ne sinyallediğini bilmiyoruz sanıyor ahaha.
Atatürk olmasa sonuçta gidebileceği başka bir ülkesi var arkadaşın bu kadar rahat konuşması bundan.
Long_Try2224@reddit (OP)
Abi harbi şu yediğim downlara baksana sudaki Türkler bile avrupali abilerine yaranmak için down atıyor bana
dwolven@reddit
Adam yaranmak için childish yazmış, childish değil cringe yazmışlar cevaben. Ahahahh. Yaranamamış bile garibim.
illougiankides@reddit
I guess you’re proving my point here. Of course they mention other names and of course as the leader he will get the most attention. But there is a cult of personality around him which i dislike. He was a great man, but a mortal man with mistakes, just like anyone else. And yes, they were telling me to cry while reading those poems at 23 nisan.
Long_Try2224@reddit (OP)
Ok knk zaten profiline koyduğun o Grek bayrağı ne olduğunu belli ediyor. Ortada We are greeks from Turkey diye diye gezdiğini akpli baban Hüseyin biliyor mu
nuee-ardente@reddit
As a Turk, I definitely agree with that. I have always thought our relationship with him looks “childish” from the outside, like how North Koreans treat their leaders or Soviets treated Stalin (even in USSR there was a destalinization movement when Khrushchev came to power in 1953). We have invented a cult of personality around him. From primary school onward, we are taught that he was kind of a god with no mistakes, that criticizing him is sort of “prohibited”, that he “almost” found the country alone. Even today anchors wear black on the anniversary of his death and act like they are “really” sad.
As a liberal, I see him as a human. Some of his decisions were good and some bad. I am aware that he inherited a poor country with almost zero literacy rates from the Ottoman Empire and he wanted to modernize it as quickly as possible. He built factories, railroads and necessary institutions. And before that what I find important is that he was the leading figure during the War of Independence. Even though he wasn’t alone, he succeeded in organizing the army and people. On the other hand, he was a dictator. He had his statues erected, banned classical Turkish music from being played on radio and had his fellows tried or executed etc. To me, he tried to mimic French Revolution (as a mixture of both Robespierre and Napoleon) in most aspects. I believe he was also influenced by Russian Revolution and Martin Luther.
Kalypso_95@reddit
It actually looks more cringe than childish
Long_Try2224@reddit (OP)
Yeah i shouldn even care to answer you we respect our leader he doesnt need yours
Turkishdemon@reddit
You are such a moron i would like tk write why your opinion is uselles but the greek flag you put in your flair with no reason shows that you dont deserve any minute
Long_Try2224@reddit (OP)
Wtf are you talking about you moron? Turkish books litreally teaches about Atatürk's friend as much as him and tells the great war the people fought. Nobody forced to cry to poems about him. But obivously both during war of indepence and after he was the leader of everyting and teaching him at shcools being like kim Jong??? Fuck off
Long_Try2224@reddit (OP)
Wtf are you talking about you moron? Turkish books litreally teaches about Atatürk's friend as much as him and tells the great war the people fought. Nobody forced to cry to poems about him. But obivously both during war of indepence and after he was the leader of everyting and teaching him at shcools being like kim Jong??? Fuck off
Long_Try2224@reddit (OP)
Are you now told on me to your 2 iq friends 😆
Renacimiento1234@reddit
Why so you have greek flag? Are u rum?
cmaj13@reddit
Apparently through a five minute google research dude was just jacking off to finno-ugric culture, correct me if i'm wrong. Love the clickait title "the book that kemal wanted the turkish nation to read". I would love for someone to provide some breakdown of this.
dwolven@reddit
What did confuse you? So that sentence “the book that *Atatürk wanted the Turkish nation to read” is the advertisement or clickbait part. Which is also a fact.
Why Atatürk wanted Turkish people to read this is that probably the context itself. An addition maybe, back in time Finno-ugric language family was considered relative to Turkic languages in Ural-Altaic language family theory. Now those are considered Uralic and Turkic languages are Altaic.
Outside-Armadillo843@reddit
No atatürk really wanted turks to read this, it is still being read in the schools
Outrageous_Trade_303@reddit
I don't think that it exists in Greek.
BerndAberLoli@reddit
This is the first I have heard of this book
Lucky_Loukas@reddit
Searched on google and I couldn't find it translated in Greek😓.
Renacimiento1234@reddit
YAYYYY
MrDDD11@reddit
No offense but this post is how I found out this book existed. Am not a person who reads a lot, but I try to at least read a few books a year, and I talk to people who read more then me (few are in a book club). So from my experience it's not popular in Serbia.
Darkwrath93@reddit
Fun fact: it was written in Serbia. It's called Zidari života in Serbian, for some reason
Long_Try2224@reddit (OP)
Thanks for kind and usefull answer
YpogaTouArGrease@reddit
It reeks of national romanticism and propaganda,no wonder it was Ataturk's "favourite" book :p
Kalepox@reddit
It’s a book about how Fin nation from forest filled backwater to democratic developed country with education an will of national unity
It’s actually a great book by it’s context of development of a country but don’t expect any super level personal story
Long_Try2224@reddit (OP)
Honestly i kinda found it a bit non netural which is i guess understanable since thr writer is russian. I agree it is good yet its kinda overrated imo
korinath@reddit
It is popular in Turkey because Ataturk loved that book a lot.
Long_Try2224@reddit (OP)
Im %97 sure that it still would be popular even if he havent recommend it
korinath@reddit
Yes maybe 🤔 We’re good readers and have a strong translation culture/industry. So even if he wouldn’t recommend it, we’d probably still hear about it — which I guess makes the book more popular anyway.