Pick one: eliminate taxes, all gun laws or legalize all drugs
Posted by I_Need_A_ToasterBath@reddit | Libertarian | View on Reddit | 119 comments
I mean I’d love for all 3 to happen, it’d be awesome if my paycheck wasn’t getting raped by the government and I could go to a store and walk out with an RPG and a vile of LSD, but alas that will never happen. If I could choose one, it’d be drug legalization, because in our current society you can pretty much own any guns you want if you have enough money and are willing to file the ATF paperwork and you can weasel out of paying taxes if you’re rich enough, but there’s not really any legal way to do drugs
richweezey@reddit
Taxes
Guitar_hero1@reddit
eliminate all gun laws, personally i want an RPG
Many_Stock4490@reddit
You eliminate taxes and the rest will follow. That being said, I want drugs to be legal but I don't want anyone to do them. Also, I wonder how many people who are libertarian actually live like a libertarian. Do libertarians with children raise their children how a libertarian wants the government to treat them?
UndercoverProstitute@reddit
Im sorry, I understand the purpose in eliminating taxes… But why in the hell do libertarians even suppose that allowing people, mind you, who can’t even keep their homemade Molotov cocktails to themselves, to buy RPG’s and any gun they wish? This is just brain-dead stupid. You think America would be safer if we allow people to buy fucking grenades so they can go blow up their neighbors house because they were mad at them for stepping on their flowers?
I know bringing up the drugs thing will castrate me here, but as a libertarian, who is fully against legalizing drugs, what is the purpose? Do you wish to see more homeless people wandering around tripping balls wandering into traffic? We can admit that many personal freedoms are taken from us here in America, but fucking drugs and owning RPGs/explosives is not fucking it. We do not need a worse homeless and drug addiction problem than we already have.
I admit, I fully believe our constitutional right to own a gun and carry it is infringed upon when you have to also take separate courses and follow other legal bullshit to concealed carry. I want concealed carry paperwork to be fully outlawed as it is infringing upon our rights… But come on, please don’t tell me you actually believe your crazy neighbors down the street and lunatic left wingers should be allowed to now openly carry RPGs to blow up teslas…
Illythia_Redgrave@reddit
Because if everyone was armed, or at least possibly armed, people would think twice about doing rude things like exactly the thing you said: stepping on your neighbor's flowers. People would also be less likely to whip out a gun if it was more likely that the other person was also armed. People would be less likely to break into houses etc. Etc.
And the drugs thing... for arguments' sake let's assume two things: 40% of Americans "abuse" some type of currently illicit substance and of that 40% probably 5 to 10% are the caricature of the homeless addict you've painted - and not all homeless people are addicts, so let's assume half of homeless people are this caricature. Ok i kinda lost my train of thought here and point, but it is naive to assume that both homeless people are the majority of drug users and that regular people dont regularly use drugs. Theres a reason they call cocaine a rich person's drug: it is the most popular among business executives, wall street bros, etc.
Active military members can't smoke pot because they have to pass random drug tests, but more than half of them will use cocaine or a similar drug while they are on leave because they can still pass a drug test 2 to 3 days later, unlike with weed. They are actively employed in an honorable profession and, for the moment, not a homeless veteran and most wont end up as a homeless veteran. In places with legal weed, crime has gone down, not up. In countries that have decriminalized drugs: crime, homelessness, and percentage of new users under the age of 40 have gone down, not up. Lastly, the money to be made from taxing legal drugs and saved on current anti-drug crusades far outweighs any negative side effects. And the most positive side effect would be dealing a crippling financial blow to organized crime syndicates while allowing law enforcement to focus on things they do like human trafficking, murders, online fraud, selling to minors, etc.
It is a proven fact that prohibition does not work and INCREASES black market crime, otherwise alcohol, the MOST harmful drug, would still be illegal.
P.S. those homeless addicts you mentioned are using alcohol more than any other drug because they can afford a 4 dollar pint or more of alcohol after a day of begging. They cannot afford the harder, illegal stuff.
UndercoverProstitute@reddit
I get what you’re saying, and I think you bring up some fair points, especially around the realities of drug use and how the current system doesn’t reflect actual patterns of behavior in society.
You’re right—most drug users aren’t homeless or violent. They’re everyday people, and a good portion are functioning, employed, and not what we typically picture when we talk about addiction. The stigma around drug use has clouded a lot of rational conversation, and the data from places like Portugal shows that decriminalization, paired with treatment, actually leads to less crime, less addiction, and less harm overall.
I also agree that prohibition has failed—history backs that up. Banning something people are still going to get anyway just shifts the supply to cartels and black markets. And it puts law enforcement in a position where they’re chasing non-violent users instead of focusing on the real threats—like trafficking, fraud, or violent crime.
That said, I do think we should be careful when comparing substances. Just because someone is a “functional” user doesn’t mean there aren’t long-term impacts—especially with hard drugs like cocaine or meth. But I also agree that the way we’re currently handling it—criminalizing use instead of addressing the root causes—clearly isn’t working.
On the gun point, though, I’d push back a bit. The idea that more guns make people more polite sounds good on paper, but it doesn’t really hold up to how people behave under stress or conflict. States with higher gun ownership tend to have higher rates of gun deaths, not lower. The presence of more weapons doesn’t necessarily de-escalate things—it can escalate them, especially in emotional or irrational situations. I support responsible gun ownership and carry rights, but I don’t think we get a more civil society just by making sure everyone is armed, and certainly not with fucking explosive weapons.
So overall, I think you’re mostly on point with the drug argument—but I’m more skeptical when it comes to arming everyone, especially those who have shown time and time again that they should absolutely not be allowed to be armed, as a social fix. But also, we don’t truly know the impact it will have on Americans if everything was fully legal. I mean look at what that damn overrun city in Oregon became during the BLM riots. On paper and looking at other countries with drug-use freedoms, it seems to be a slight net-positive, but the US also has high addiction rates, high homeless problems, and people definitely tend to act more erratic here with shit, I mean just look at the Tesla situation now.
There can obviously be arguments for both sides and we wouldn’t know unless it came into reality, but honestly, it will never happen, and I don’t know if it’s truly worth the risk of finding out. A civilization needs some type of law and order, or they will eventually eat themselves out of existence.
Illythia_Redgrave@reddit
Drug legalization. Because there are few taxes that most everyone can agree are more palatable than straight income taxes and property taxes. These are things like sin taxes, consumption (sales) taxes, and luxury taxes. And at the end of the day there is way more tax revenue to be gained from the (sin) taxation of legal drugs, not to mention the savings from building walls, DEA and ATF funding, less people in prison, etc. Caveat: only if it results in lower or complete slashing of the property and income taxes.
SpareBeat1548@reddit
Eliminate all gun laws
Of course assuming that eliminating guns laws also removes the ban on drug users from owning guns.
Sea_Addition_1686@reddit
Taxes
BeardedMan32@reddit
I’m still waiting for DOGE to eliminate the DEA, biggest waste and societal cost this country ever invented.
whubbard@reddit
TSA is up there, but people wouldn't fly if those useless fucks didn't stand there and do nothing. They fail every damn audit and pen test.
TManaF2@reddit
I've refused to fly since the Security Theater Agency has removed any method of defense I might have against pre-planted box cutters (craft service workers staged the weapons used by the 9/11 martyrs). Sewing needles, knitting needles, small scissors...
Own_City_1084@reddit
They’re only gonna eliminate the stuff that’s meant to help people (whether it does or not is a different question), and grow the worst features of an unchecked government—namely executive power, the ability to kidnap/censor/disappear people, etc.
Which honestly is not a net reduction in government, quite the opposite actually.
tactical_lampost@reddit
DOGE is a joke, it wont even look at DoD which is the biggest offender in spending.
peanutch@reddit
the ATF should be a convenience store, not a government agency
MedicMalfunction@reddit
Taxes, and it isn’t even close.
Mead_and_You@reddit
Yeah, you eliminated taxes and you've cut the legs out from the DEA and ATF anyway.
todosospfpckfslclvld@reddit
How so?
ProfessionalEgg40@reddit
"The power to tax is the power to destroy." -- John Marshall, though he was apparently only talking about state taxes on federallly chartered institutions because that mofo NEVER saw a federal tax he didn't fellate with enthusiasm.
OneOfUsOneOfUsGooble@reddit
💯
When the taxes are gone (not just income, but payroll, sales, property, estate, etc), and the economy inevitably improves, all else improves: less poverty, less crime, less violence, less substance abuse.
rpv123@reddit
I’m “libertarian curious” and am wondering - how does eliminating taxes not result in massive inflation and roads full of potholes? Not trying to troll, I just struggle to imagine that not being the inevitable outcome.
Right now, I support reasonable taxes, but I do want more scrutiny, transparency and less corruption. As someone in a wealthy state, I’d very much like to refocus my taxes locally to my state/region’s infrastructure.
Chrisc46@reddit
Tax reductions without subsequent spending reductions will lead to monetary inflation unless the government transitions to revenue sources like usage fees or land/resource liquidation.
With that being said, leaving money in the private sector will lead to economic growth. This allows people to stop relying on government and could theoretically cause government spending reductions.
StoreDowntown6450@reddit
Yes, and along with productivity-based growth in the private sector
5fd88f23a2695c2afb02@reddit
More money in the hands of more people, ordinary citizens will drive inflation. Imbalance in wealth curbs it.
OneOfUsOneOfUsGooble@reddit
Yeah, the implication is that a reduction in taxes would be accompanied by a reduction in spending, which might be wishful thinking.
The libertarian answer about roads is that the income tax began in the US in 1913 as a small tax on the rich, but we've somehow had roads for millennia before that. Toll roads are some of the best roads I've been on.
5fd88f23a2695c2afb02@reddit
Decrease in tax means more people have more money and will compete for the same resources. This is almost the definition of inflation.
OneOfUsOneOfUsGooble@reddit
Only if there is zero increase in goods and services produced after the cuts.
5fd88f23a2695c2afb02@reddit
True. But there’s always a lag.
majorwfpod@reddit
We pay taxes and the roads and bridges are falling apart anyway.
Much_Literature1435@reddit
Taxes fund the enforcement of the other two
Chrisc46@reddit
Only if you include "Inflation tax". Otherwise, government will fund the other two through monetary expansion.
libertyfo@reddit
People would dump the currency extremely quickly if they didn't defund the programs, cause they would cause extreme inflation, and then it would be too hard to put taxes on a foreign/hard currency
oboshoe@reddit
yep.
it's already how most government functions are funded.
for better or worse, we are more than halfway there.
CoatedWinner@reddit
Yeah same
Zex_Sithos@reddit
I agree but I don't know if I would say not even close, I think it just edges out gun law elimination
MedicMalfunction@reddit
I have weapons for SHTF, hunting, and home defense. There’s really nothing I NEED. I do, however, need more money. Neither guns nor drugs fix that.
BR1M570N3@reddit
Technically both guns and drugs could fix that, but that's for another story.
StoreDowntown6450@reddit
You kidding? Taxes homie, all day. Use the savings to buy a bigger arsenal. Remember, you can still own just about anything, so long as you have the right paperwork (which is still an infringement, so calm down)
RedactedEvil476@reddit
Am against all 3. Some level of Taxes, drug regulations, and gun laws are necessary for a stable society.
Firm_Newspaper3370@reddit
I love drugs more than the next guy.
But for sure Taxes>Guns>Drugs
juzz88@reddit
My sentiments exactly.
Hrimnir@reddit
Easy choice is taxes. That's how they "fund" all the oppression.
UsernameIsTakenO_o@reddit
Eliminate all gun laws. Let's see how long taxes and drug enforcement survive.
AgeOfReasonEnds31120@reddit
Taxes, that way third-world cults in the desert and their medieval-ahh motives can't be funded.
hourlyslugger@reddit
Last I checked I was a Libertarian not an Anarchist.
When you say “taxes” do you mean just income taxes on individuals and corporations or ALL taxes to include import (tariffs) taxes, sales tax, excise, inheritance, property taxes and any other ones that I missed?
Believe it or not I do think that we need to have a (preferably small) central federal government that handles matters of internal and external defense, defines and protects international borders, handles matters of interstate commerce/safety/security and international relations (trade, treaties, security alliances, etc).
If you legalize or more accurately decriminalize all currently banned substances then you cut out the legs/teeth of many international gangs/cartels and in turn police/law enforcement agencies will have to actually investigate real bodily and property crime. This will also de-militarize the police to a great extent and probably kill off the DEA.
So I vote drugs
BobbyFishesBass@reddit
Legalizing all drugs would increase other forms of crime. People on drugs like cocaine or meth are likely to abuse/neglect their children, attack their spouse, or rob people for drug money.
I'm fine with legalizing minor drugs like mushrooms or weed, but I have to put the brakes when we start talking about something like fentanyl.
hourlyslugger@reddit
Hurting others is a violation of the basic NAP and is already illegal.
If it is legal and open to everyone 18 and older then it’s LESS likely to be abused, adulterated or contaminated and addicts can more easily get help. Overdose deaths will decrease.
Tell me when the last time you heard of someone committing a crime to get alcohol money?
Also you can have safe intoxication spaces for harder drugs which I know certain cities and towns in select states already have as safe injection sites.
Operating a motor vehicle while intoxicated will continue to be a crime as will public intoxication in any areas that choose to enforce it.
BobbyFishesBass@reddit
Hurting others is illegal, but it should also be illegal to do things that greatly increase your risk of hurting others. We know that cocaine addicts can’t think clearly and are likely to be violent, so preventing the sale of cocaine is important for protecting others.
Why do you believe legalizing drugs would reduce abuse and overdose deaths? I will give you that it will reduce deaths caused by lacing drugs (like giving someone weed that’s laced with fentanyl), but other deaths would be greatly increased. Just look at the opioid epidemic—increasing the availability of dangerous drugs absolutely causes deaths.
Alcohol is absolutely associated with crimes like domestic violence, child abuse and DWI, which is why it’s regulated. Cocaine is more dangerous than alcohol, so it’s obvious that it should be more regulated than alcohol.
I’m glad we agree DWI should be illegal. But there is a contradiction in your position—if I’m DWI in a rural road with nobody around (and I mean nobody, WAYYY out in the bushes), then I’m not causing harm to anyone. But it’s still illegal. I’d argue to be logically consistent, you would have to legalize DWI in certain circumstances.
hourlyslugger@reddit
Bobby,
Who is this “we” you speak of when you say that “we know cocaine addicts can’t think clearly and are likely to be violent”.
If you’re taking about crackheads, well I have plenty of personal experience with literally smelling folks smoking crack, weed, heroin, shooting up heroin and other opioids, and 9/10 times when you’re high you become more relaxed and nod off. Or you become more focused, friendly and alert.
Violence among regular users is pretty rare outside of violence committed by addicts to get money for more drugs.
I’m also a recovering alcoholic. Haven’t had a drink in a dozen years now as of February 1st.
No one can know how they’ll react to a new drug before they try it. And it’s not the government’s responsibility to stop people from hurting themselves-banning something because it MIGHT cause a person to harm others is exactly how we got Prohibition 100 years ago. We all know how well that worked out and how well the so-called “War On Drugs” has been going for the last 6 decades.
BobbyFishesBass@reddit
I've also seen people overdose in front of me and one of my high school classmate's mom died from heroin. Drug legalization works in theory. In practice, I don't really want to live in a society where crack babies are being born with deformities and people are ending up in foster care because their mom died from heroin.
Ham0k_@reddit
Well if you eliminate taxes, your eliminating the people that create gun and drug laws
TristanDuboisOLG@reddit
Gun laws, the others are easier after that.
bethechaoticgood21@reddit
If you get rid of the gun laws, the rest will eventually fall into place. This is why we have gun laws.
Cyclonepride@reddit
Taxes, they'd struggle to fund enforcement of much of what they do.
Nhughes1387@reddit
Taxes, worst thing about gun laws is having to pay a 200$ fee to get a suppressor, drugs idc I don’t drink or do drugs so that doesn’t affect me.
zombielicorice@reddit
It is way easier to flaunt gun and drug laws than it is to avoid paying taxes.
Great_Aide_7506@reddit
Taxes, duh. Guns and drugs rock!
rainbowclownpenis69@reddit
Drugs.
All drugs.
I want them all as available as caffeine (a drug). Less regulatory hurdles and extra taxes like tobacco and beer end up with. I want to see cocaine at the checkout lane in Walmart next to the bubble gum.
TSMontana@reddit
Income taxes or all taxes? We need some government for defense and other basic services...so we need SOME revenue generation...but if we can raise the revenue with solely consumption taxes and eliminate income taxes, that would be my choice.
robinson217@reddit
I think the gun laws one has the least disruption in the average person's life. And if everyone is packing heat, it'll affect how stupid the government gets with taxes. Strung out druggies will not be able to terrorize the public.
Leneord1@reddit
Legalize all drugs
ExplodingWario@reddit
Get rid of taxes, I’d rather they just print. Afterwards we can focus on ridding the government of excessive spending
soiledmeNickers@reddit
What? If you’re rich enough you can do all the drugs you want.
kriegmonster@reddit
Eliminate taxes and the others follow. If the government has to rely on donations, they won't be able to afford enforcement of the other things or being in debt.
Misterfahrenheit120@reddit
Look, not to be that guy, but fully eliminating any of these would be a bad idea.
Some government is necessary, so we need at least a little taxation. Some people really shouldn’t have guns, so we need at least a few gun laws. And since people should drive under the influence or sell to kids, we can’t fully legalize drugs either.
That said, if the question was drastically cut one of these, definitely taxes
ThreetoedJack@reddit
What gun laws would you propose? About the only one I'd be okay with is you must use correct change when buying your gun from the gun vending machine.
Driving under the influence -already illegal and not a drug problem. Selling to kids -also illegal and also not a drug problem.
And my idea of "enough government" is small enough to be funded by donations but I'm curious what government you think is 'necessary?'
heimeyer72@reddit
Srsly, who would donate money to fund the police?
^(Maybe the mafia would - to keep the competition out of their hair.)
Edit: Thinking about it, the Organized Crime is indeed the most likely to create a "police", And who will police everybody except themselves, maybe even takes care of perps who sell drugs to children, because that's bad business.
That might even work to some extend. Once I heard a story of the Japanese Yakuza supporting the local populace with necessary goods like food and water after a bad earthquake.
heimeyer72@reddit
Srsly, who would donate money to fund the police?
^(Maybe the mafia would - to keep the competition out of their hair.)
lostmypassword602@reddit
Eliminate taxes.
TheFortnutter@reddit
Taxes, everything else will fall into place.
the government will always be interested in collecting money to fund itself rather than spend money to control (even if both are pretty high up there on the priority list)
It will always be easier to get access to "illegal" guns than avoiding taxation.
Woodson_13@reddit
Kill all gun laws
RetreadRoadRocket@reddit
Eliminate taxes, I mean, how else is the government going to pay to enforce the rest?lol
Tuscaroraboy@reddit
Taxes only exist to control aggregate spending and keep us dependent on the dollar. The federal government doesn’t need your money. It can print it.
OYeog77@reddit
Uhhh how to I put this
Printing more dollars lowers the value of said dollar
If the Fed started printing money on a level they would have to if we all stopped paying taxes, we would run into a situation like Mexico did for awhile where a loaf of bread could be 2 dollars or 60 dollars just depending on what day it is
AdrienJarretier@reddit
Get out of here, capitalism is not "government printing money and impoverishing people at will".
Capitalism is a system where private property rights are protected. When the government prints money it's just a form of taxation if you have money stored, it steals its value, this is absolutely a violation of property rights.
RetreadRoadRocket@reddit
Lmao, that's not how that works.
nickrac@reddit
Very valid
Standard-Document-78@reddit
Between the three, eliminate all gun laws
TheManyHayne@reddit
Legalize all drugs. It's the one with the fewest downsides, and does the most to reduce organized crime.
Alcibiades_Rex@reddit
Yeah, there must be a lot of anarcho libertarians here. A government needs taxes to function. I'm fairly libertarian, but I'm not an anarchist, we do need a government.
LibertyorDeath2076@reddit
There are other ways for a government to earn income than stealing from the people.
PuttPutt7@reddit
like... Tariffs?
LibertyorDeath2076@reddit
That's just stealing with extra steps. More so charging for services, like fees to use the roads or bridges. Fines for violating laws. That type of thing.
BlueLaceSensor128@reddit
They both create a ton of pretexts for the government to warrantlessly invade our privacy, so it is a tough call. Though I imagine if you polled 1000 random libertarians and asked if it was more of an absolute right to put whatever one wants into their own body or to never pay taxes of any kind, more would support the former in principle than the latter.
huxley2112@reddit
This is mine as well. Free up the police to go after actual crime. How much violent crime is drug related? How many people have been killed by trigger happy cops because they were stopped for a minor drug offense? All of this could be solved.
Hell, I'd even be cool with my taxes going towards a wet house style place for addicts to live and do drugs in. Keep them off the street and somewhere safe.
Poopyoo@reddit
taxes and gun laws because i can still take drugs if i dont get caught lmao
boogaloobruh@reddit
No you can do all 3 if you have enough money, ever heard of hunter Biden?
Coochy_Crusader@reddit
Eliminate all gun laws. The rest will figure itself out if we have that
tactical_lampost@reddit
eliminating taxes and the government at large just means we will transition into a corporate state which is much worse than what we currently have.
Id decriminalize all drugs, let people have their fun man.
Demonshart666@reddit
Tax’s all day
runningvicuna@reddit
Eliminate theft.
Beginning-Shoe-9133@reddit
Taxes, easily.
Content_Package_3708@reddit
I am sure there are more informed individuals on here concerning taxes- Please explain how we could function by completely eliminating taxes?
usernametaken2024@reddit
are there, tho?
Scarlettwitch_00@reddit
For me, Taxes. We have gun laws that protect us but not by much (and in no way am i advocating for stricter gun laws-I believe in our freedom to defend our property, aka Our second amendment). As for Drugs, it would be nice but also think of how many addicts and O.Ds there would be (not saying that everyone will become an addict if exposed to drugs). Besides, we are already dealing with a massive drug crisis in this country; this is coming from someone who's a struggling as a food/sweets addict and has seen my mother struggle with opiates and alcohol.
juror_no3@reddit
Taxes.
bsweet35@reddit
Taxes by far. Would be nice to keep that extra 25-30% of each paycheck
DerpDerper909@reddit
Taxes easily
sahovaman@reddit
Taxes by a MASSIVE SHOT.. Our government steals from us, gives money to themselves and people who hate us... fuck that.
AbolishtheDraft@reddit
If you get rid of taxes, it's impossible to enforce the other 2
TheAgentOfOrange@reddit
Taxes.
slapnuts4321@reddit
I guess taxes, but all 3
DemotivationalSpeak@reddit
Taxes lol. But I don’t see how our current government could function without them.
doesnotexist2@reddit
We don’t live in a utopia, so there needs to be some laws, therefore we need some type of government, in which case we need to fund them, and the best case is taxes.
So it’s a tough choice between the guns and drugs one. And we live in a world where, yeah, guns are still dangerous, but guns are an old school way to do harm(especially mass harm). And like you said, paperwork can be done to own pretty much anything.
I think I’m with you in legalizing all drugs. So many people get hooked on drugs their first time (and their first drug wasn’t even that bad, probably weed) just cause they wanted to do something “criminal”
Jolly_Job_9852@reddit
Eliminate taxes
Ok-Razzmatazz-3720@reddit
Taxes all day bruh
Thick_Piece@reddit
Taxes
Ric_ooooo@reddit
Taxes
B1G_Fan@reddit
Legalizing drugs and end all gun laws would both be good ideas if we had fathers teaching their children self-control. Taxes are the means by which fathers are replaced with government checks.
Repeal the taxes first. Then, over time, as fathers start to replace government checks, we can discuss the wisdom of legalizing drugs and ending gun laws.
Nolobrown@reddit
Has to be taxes
returnofthewait@reddit
Drugs
Remarkable-Tale428@reddit
Yes
wildbillar15@reddit
Taxes
NefariousEscapade@reddit
Taxes, easy af
Bold-n-brazen@reddit
Taxes. Ain't even close
Gsomethepatient@reddit
I was gonna say drugs but some one else said the other 2 would become ineffective
GritCato@reddit
Taxes
ChillPastor@reddit
Eliminate Taxes
It’s a lot easier to break gun laws than evade taxes
Incrementum1@reddit
Taxes.