Anyone who is convicted of a crime while under the influence is given an injection that makes their body unable to tolerate any drugs/alcohol permanently, causing death if they attempt to do so
Posted by Psychological-Shoe95@reddit | CrazyIdeas | View on Reddit | 104 comments
How would this go?
chumbucket77@reddit
People would die. Have you seen horribly addicted people? They daily walk directly into doing something that they know. We know. Everyone knows has a 100% chance of being a giant problem. My buddy was a huge alcoholic. It was always a problem. Always caused a scene. Every. Single. Time. People were all aware and so was he that he needed to behave and people were watching. 30 mins later. Blackout drunk making insane jokes knocking shit over and everyones pissed. They cant not do it. Might as well say. Sir when you walk into this room. Do not touch the yellow wall or youll die. Simple thing. Just dont do that. They will walk right in there and touch it.
Front_Ad4514@reddit
When you say “was” is that an implication that he got sober or that he died? Because my friend who was the EXACT picture perfect copy of everything you just described didn’t make it out alive. Shit sucks man.
chumbucket77@reddit
Bad choice of words on my part. I actually dont know why I chose to word it like that. He is in jail for about his 6th dui at the moment. Along with a huge string of crimes that of course werent his fault and he was just minding his own business and this and that happened. Its always that shit. The guy could get arrested just leaving the house to go get a gatorade from the gas station. I have tried so hard for so many years to be there. At this point the only thing that happens is my life gets torn up with his. So jail is probably the best option at the moment. Ive given so many handouts to try and help so hes not homeless and jobless. Let him stay with me. Stayed sober with him. Avoided going out to chill with him and avoid temptation. It all ends with it being thrown in my face and costing me a ton of money and its never his fault. Ever.
Megalocerus@reddit
A local nurse was at wits end about her drug addicted son, and expressed this to a local city worker, who arranged to have him arrested. Sometimes, it helps, and at least he is warm, fed, and off the streets for a time.
Shnatzeet@reddit
So then they meet more people that do more drugs commit more crimes. Having someone arrested does more harm than good especially for drug users.
Megalocerus@reddit
Maybe not for the people around them. In my state, there'd be a good chance he'd be forced into a drug program, especially back then.
chumbucket77@reddit
Its unfortunate, but true. When it gets bad enough the only outcome will be dying one way or another along with fucking up everyone elses lives along the way
Front_Ad4514@reddit
Yep. Lines up with my life long best friends story to a tee. When he found the bottle, it was as if he had found some long lost lover or something. It was over. I mean like, literally, from his first sip of alcohol at 19 years old, his life was over. The kind, loving, awesome person I knew was erased and replaced with a selfish asshole who blamed everyone else for his problems and couldn’t walk out the door without getting himself in trouble with the law. I got WAY to entangled in all of it as well. After multiple prison and rehab stints, he was found dead in his apartment from an overdose at 23 years old.
chumbucket77@reddit
Im so sorry to hear that. It truly just sucks and theres no other way around it. Hope youre doin ok.
growerdan@reddit
Yeah I had an alcoholic neighbor who chose drinking to death over getting sober and trying for a liver transplant. Addiction is wild.
ArkuhTheNinth@reddit
Look this is just r/crazy ideas so I don't seriously condone this, but your answer heavily invokes the response "a problem that solves itself".
lonohyde@reddit
If this is entirely hypothetical and futurism based as we don't have an injection that does this. Why not just inject them with something that would cause the drugs to do nothing when they take them?
blackkluster@reddit
This is the answer. And would save addicts as well Big farma would patent this and make it unreachable for people. Unfortunately.
lonohyde@reddit
Always a chance. Narcan is decently priced for how effective it is but, most will probably try to run it up like EpiPen.
blackkluster@reddit
Yeah but narcan has nice rare uses like accidently touching too much fentanyl with hands or whatever synthetic opioids exist. And it just nullifies opioids afterwards.
If it could cancel opioid effects for weeks it would be pretty cool. But if all drugs it would be insanely good. Addicts make pretty big bill on healthcare etc
Shnatzeet@reddit
Naltrexone exists.
OriginalHibbs@reddit
I guess OP's a sadist?
pCaK3s@reddit
You’re essentially just killing all addicts.
EpicRock411@reddit
In "Neuromancer," a character receives a new pancreas, stating, "You needed a new pancreas. The one we bought for you frees you from a dangerous dependency," to which the character replies, "Thanks, but I was enjoying that dependency
succulent_samurai@reddit
This was my immediate first thought as well. To add context, the new pancreas makes the character (the main character) physically incapable of being intoxicated until he completes a job given to him by his “employer.” Super dark stuff
thetastetells@reddit
I love a neuromancer reference in the wild 🤙
AFrostNova@reddit
Ancillary Justice brings in the idea of a 'Shunt' which nullifies the impact of its target drug. This does not solve the underlying problem(s) of the user; but ("effectively") enforces a zero-consumption policy, where you take it to no effect.
This seems to be the concept of what you want to do?
AnnualAdventurous169@reddit
Oh not got forbid people eating a slightly old apple
hikeonpast@reddit
There’s alcohol in cough medicine and vanilla extract.
Does this include white collar crimes? How about campaign finance violations? Jaywalking?
Who decides which drugs are included? Does shoplifting a candy bar at 14 make you unable to take drugs for hypertension in your 40s?
ktbear716@reddit
i don't agree with op, but nobody gets convicted for jaywalking.
SnooPears8751@reddit
I do remember a recent story in Florida where a black teen got interrogated for jaywalking, then searched for drugs and arrested. The judge was surprisingly based for, again, Florida, and ruled that, since the boy was basically searched for the crime of "walking while black" and he wasn't doing anything wrong or under the influence or anything, that the cop was the problem, and let him walk. This isn't to refute what you said, in fact it strengthens your point, but it's conceivable that in a sufficiently bigoted city or circle, with a biased or corrupt judge, that a minority could be convicted of jaywalking. Not that I've ever heard of such a thing. You're right.
Embarrassed-Weird173@reddit
Are you sure you're not thinking of the Texas judge? Is he a nerdy looking guy that wears a bowtie?
SnooPears8751@reddit
I actually mixed up a few details, my bad, this wasn't a jaywalking case. It was someone arrested for walking around a neighborhood looking for a phone signal. https://wslr.org/investigation-of-walking-while-black-incident-dropped/
Embarrassed-Weird173@reddit
Ah, thanks! Yup, definitely a different case than the one I was thinking of.
https://youtube.com/shorts/rEdcgw5l3AI u
iaminabox@reddit
I got a ticket for jay walking on x-mas morning. No lie. He was in the process of giving a homeless man a ticket for the same thing. He had to save face and give me one too.
ktbear716@reddit
yes, and did you go to court? did a judge make a ruling?
iaminabox@reddit
No. Just paid the ticket.
ktbear716@reddit
so that's not a conviction then
StargazerRex@reddit
It's a conviction of an infraction.
ktbear716@reddit
no, that's not how it works
Reasonable_Buy1662@reddit
Paying a ticket is a guilty plea. It is a convection.
StargazerRex@reddit
Pray tell, how does it work? Infractions are punishable only by a fine, but they are still convictions if you pay the fine. You can avoid listing them on job applications when asked if you have a criminal record, as they care only about misdemeanors and felonies.
saggywitchtits@reddit
When you pay a ticket you're pleading guilty, so yes, it is a conviction.
iaminabox@reddit
Ok. Thanks.
ehbowen@reddit
I did. For crossing a street in downtown Long Beach, at two in the morning, when there was no traffic on either the through street or the cross street. Cop was laying back in the shadows, waiting for a victim. He chose me. Had to go to the courthouse and pay the fine. Sigh.
ImReverse_Giraffe@reddit
My high school girl friends dad did.
ktbear716@reddit
a judge ruled in a court of law that he had committed a crime?
TheManSaidSo@reddit
People Do get convicted of J Walking. Not me specifically but they do.
Blawn14@reddit
Theres literally a video of a black man in court and the cops reasoning is “crossing at a non-designated crossing zone”. The judge immediately called the cop on the bullshit “walking while black” charge and let the guy go.
yellowbrickstairs@reddit
I got in trouble for it once
hikeonpast@reddit
Parking ticket?
otheraccountisabmw@reddit
This isn’t r/SmartIdeas.
DJ_HouseShoes@reddit
Lots more people would be dead.
-Ninja-Sloth-@reddit
You'd end up with a lot of dead junkies. How about an injection that causes uncontrollable diarrhoea the moment they do any drugs..
igotshadowbaned@reddit
I think some of the junkies might willingly jump on that. Narcotic use can make you very constipated and it's not uncommon for them to also use a lot of laxatives.
P0Rt1ng4Duty@reddit
If you're addicted to coffee they wouldn't even need to give you a shot. It already does that.
accidentalscientist_@reddit
Alcohol too. Abuse of alcohol is known to give you the runs constantly. I’ve seen people mention time and time again how one of the best parts of getting sober is normal bowel movements.
P0Rt1ng4Duty@reddit
Well I've been a vegetarian for most of my life so even when I quit drinking for eight years my experience was unusual.
yellowbrickstairs@reddit
Loop would be everywhere
Separate_Draft4887@reddit
You say that like it’s a bad thung
whatadumbperson@reddit
You can die from diarrhea. I doubt this would lower the amount of dead junkies by too much.
shadowsurge@reddit
They make this for alcohol, disulfiram, or "Antabuse".
I can totally get behind giving this to people with alcohol related crimes
Son0fDaedalus@reddit
That’s called getting old, at some point your body just rejects bad stuff and makes you feel bad.
Megalocerus@reddit
I'm pretty sure technology is not currently up to this challenge. The degree of savagery Redditors are developing is scary.
ehbowen@reddit
I never drank alcohol as a beverage. Never. Not until I reached my 50th birthday.
However...
When I was 19 years old and in the military, I contracted a severe case of bronchitis. Winter in North Chicago, after all. Initial treatments were ineffective, and it turned into pneumonia with a lot of fluid in my lungs. I was prescribed the strongest cough syrup they had, ATH with codeine. In addition to the codeine, it was something like 40% ethyl alcohol.
I understand that you want to discourage substance abusers. But are you prepared to make any subsequent severe cold, possibly treated by a doctor in a distant city who is unaware of the earlier injection, into a death sentence?
Wrong_Spread_4848@reddit
Did you not fucking watch or read A Clockwork Orange?
This_Worldliness4355@reddit
What message does a clockwork Orange have that would pertain to this? Is it about drug abuse?
Wrong_Spread_4848@reddit
The moral of A Clockwork Orange is that removing a person's ability to choose between good and evil, even in the name of reform, strips them of their humanity. When choice is taken away, individuals become like machines, predictable, controlled, and devoid of true moral value.
This_Worldliness4355@reddit
I see, so in this case, removing the ability to take alcohol, even if this is a terrible person, takes away their choice, thus, stripping them of the ability to be truly moral and make a good choice without being forced to
Wrong_Spread_4848@reddit
"even if this is a terrible person"
This phrase is chilling. Our commitment to human dignity and moral agency shouldn't hinge on how much we dislike someone. That mindset opens the door to justifying anything.
This_Worldliness4355@reddit
yeah, and im against it because it takes away the choice of being good. doing good is a choice, and when the chioce is removed, good loses meaning
junie_bean@reddit
My thoughts immediately
WagonHitchiker@reddit
Great idea. Now what is your plan when wrongful convictions are overturned?
LogstarGo_@reddit
Much milder versions would work. I heard awhile back about a drug that makes people literally incapable of getting high off of coke but we're still not using it. Probably because we don't actually want to fix the problem when we can send get people into a cycle of being in and out of prison instead.
Stoiphan@reddit
People would die, some people would struggle and suffer, and any doctor who did these injections for the state would be shunned by the medical community, and perhaps even beat up with steel hammers.
TheManSaidSo@reddit
Marijuana too? Alcohol from wine or drinks at dinner? Good luck with that. The population would probably drop down to 3 million in a year in the US.
Sud_literate@reddit
This would just kill them, like it would honestly be more humane to just kill them on the spot then let the public be traumatized by people just dropping dead on the street because of their addictions. Like give them some help in that regard please
Zero_Trust00@reddit
Badly
ArthurJ_Vandelay@reddit
If you had this technology, wouldn't it be better to make them immune to the effects. They lose the privilege/ability to get high.
LittleAd3211@reddit
This might be one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard of. Do you realize how common drugs/alcohol are in everyday things? Do you realize how many drugs people could abuse that can’t be ruled out? Do you realize how many people would die for this?
ctgrell@reddit
The issue with this is that medication can be drugs and alcohol could be ingested unknowingly (for example sometimes they put it in deserts)
gravity_kills@reddit
If we had that, I guarantee that FL or TX would already be forcing the poors to get injected.
penileerosion@reddit
There is an injection that alcoholics will sometimes choose to receive that makes them violently ill when they contact any alcohol. And it’s not new
Separate_Draft4887@reddit
They’d enforce the law and people would cry that it’s unfair because poor people break it more
gravity_kills@reddit
Do you know what poor people have less of by definition? Money. Do you know what costs money? Drugs. Poor people do less drugs than rich people.
Separate_Draft4887@reddit
No, poor people have less ability to do drugs than rich people. However, actually doing so requires both ability and inclination, and rich people have far less of the latter.
PCLoadPLA@reddit
They did this as a gang punishment to the main character in Neuromancer. Used some special toxin so he couldn't get high. He ended up getting a liver transplant at the end so he could enjoy drinking again.
PickelMan9999@reddit
Lol. I had to take Anabuse (Sp?) when I was on probation so I wouldn't drink. It stops you're body from processing alcohol, raises your blood pressure, and can kill you if you drink too much on it. But they made me take it
Traditional_Betty@reddit
Well it would create a real problem if they ever needed a surgery or a significant dental procedure.
Ambitious_Win_1315@reddit
That's not very free, and it is completely breaking the 8th amendment (assuming you're from the US) "Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted"
Separate_Draft4887@reddit
I dunno, I could be persuaded that isn’t cruel or unusual.
Down_To_My_Last_Fuck@reddit
Lots and lots of extra dead people.
V01d3d_f13nd@reddit
You could just give them a headache and the shits
Cryo_Magic42@reddit
OR we could put them in prison
Jabathewhut@reddit
Actually I've considered this, there is a drug you can take that makes you unable to have alcohol. As a raging alcoholic I always thought I'd like to try it.
But since I'm an alcoholic.....well I haven't done anything about it.
Jail sucks btw.
Alimayu@reddit
The gains from deceased people would result in more corruption. It already happens, people lie to steal assets all of the time so the entire time people will just convict people regardless of guilt.
whatadumbperson@reddit
Either you recently read a clockwork orange or you really need to read a clockwork orange.
Ice-_-Bear@reddit
I don’t think that would stop a serious addict with the amount of Fentanyl deaths in the country
cheapMaltLiqour@reddit
They have sublocade shots. I had it before, it just blocks certain receptors in your brain that makes heroin pointless to do. Like i literally did like a gram and didn't feel it. It's pretty effective and it lasts a month/6weeks for every shot. Problem is it's like 1200 bucks
OppositeHome2970@reddit
I know Bob has committed this crime I hate Bob I posion Bob with drugs/alcohol Bob is blamed because he is a con
Due process is important
LegitSkin@reddit
So if someone shoplifts after being prescribed opiates and they can't go cold turkey on their own they just die
theeggplant42@reddit
Didn't the USSR do this? Or is that a conspiracy theory?
TootsNYC@reddit
We already have antabuse, which makes people sick when they drink alcohol. Isn’t that enough?
https://americanaddictioncenters.org/addiction-medications/disulfiram
We didn’t don’t need more dead people. And if you don’t care about whether people die, figure that when they do die, now the civic authorities have to get all involved and it clogged up all kinds of bureaucracies.
macroslax@reddit
thats just killing innocent people with extra steps.
you COULD do that. but you'd unintentionally kill alot of people. easier to just go shoot people who commit crime.
sir, you were convicted of being very behind on parking tickets, this drug test confirms as of right now you are under the influence of marijuana, and alcohol. nurse- please prepare the injection.
you later get in a car accident and are given painkillers in the hospital, you're dead.
you drink a beer at home, dead.
your psychiatrist prescribes adderall, assures you its not one of the drugs that will trip the death injection. (shes wrong, and it does. dead)
poppy seed bagel? yep, dead.
DrawSignificant4782@reddit
Ozempic has been shown to dampen addiction to alcohol.
Awsomethingy@reddit
Alcohol withdrawal literally kills people. That’s why they wean off.
2cats2hats@reddit
Antabuse
It's a drug made to make an alcoholic very ill if they take a drink.
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