Refurbishing a MacGregor 26
Posted by Aggressive-Might-703@reddit | sailing | View on Reddit | 90 comments
Any advice on where to start for a boat like this? Cost is the price it takes to move it, with new trailer tires needed. Plus boat insurance and storage on dry land while I fix it up.
There doesn't seem to be any visible hull damage or bubbling. The old inboard engine has been removed. It comes with all the sails kept in storage and cushions. Main port holes are not rotted, the boat is built out of fibreglass, so I couldn't find any rotting wood on the frame. So soft spots on cabin. I couldn't see the interior.
Any information on refurbishing A M26 would be greatly appreciated!
No_Rub3572@reddit
Am I the only one here who’s going to point out that this is not a MacGregor 26? At least not the ones people are familiar with. The classic 26 d/s are decent sailors, the x/m are hybrid monstrosities.
Roger MacGregor sold 7/8 of a boat and left the rest to the owner to figure out themselves. It was a cheap kit that was designed to be a cheap kit.
I had an 88, the build quality and sailing characteristics were far better than the 94 hunter26 my friend had. People like to regurgitate opinions that they don’t have any experience with.
Roger also made prototypes and one offs for his friends that were amazing. This looks like a prototype, never heard of a 26c with a fixed keel and an inboard. If I had to guess, it probably sails a lot better than the kit boats.
I found mine in a barn. It was mossier than this one. Two days with a pressure washer and a scrub brush (inside and out) and it will look like a different boat. Probably doesn’t have a balsa core, so there’s really not a lot to go wrong. Nicopress rigging is like 100$ for the whole boat. New chemical toilet is 100$, camp stove and a cooler and there’s not much left to do. The front hatch is a bit of an issue. An off the shelf unit is probably 1200$ but you can do your own.
The transom plate is probably soggy, they were ply and never lasted. Rather than replacing it, you can drill drain holes and pour acetone in from on top, it displaces the water and then evaporates. You can then backfill it with epoxy and it will hold up fine. I ran mine for 5 years with a 10hp hi thrust Yamaha hanging off an outboard bracket. No signs of flexing even under hard throttle.
Think practically. It’s a trailer sailor. It’s free. If you put 1000$ into it and use it for one year you came out ahead. 7000$ and 300hrs is absolute bull. 700$ and 30hs is probably closer to truth.
DemandNo3158@reddit
My 13th boat is down at my dock, I have experience. You're looking at a biblical effort to restore that wreckage to usability. Can be done, but when finished, it's still a mediocre sailboat. Choose something with a more rewarding outcome! Good luck 👍
blueberrybannock@reddit
I’m all for a project boat, but find a different free boat. I rebuilt a Macgregor 25 last winter, but the hull was in far better shape and it was still real cheap. I won’t lose money on it, and you certainly will lose money on this one.
bmw_19812003@reddit
I agree with most of these posts saying you would be much better off finding a ready to sail boat for the same price it will cost to restore this.
It’s a big risk trying to restore this because it’s very likely you are going to find something beyond your abilities, budget or most likely patience and just give up on the project.
That being said if you are 100% determined to move ahead with this start with stuff that costs little to nothing. Clean it up, pressure clean, find any rot, corrosion etc. don’t make any repairs, buy any gear or materials until it’s 100% clean, rot and corrosion removed and you have a clear picture of what your getting into.
Then make a detailed plan/budget of what it will cost and how long it will take. Don’t guess on costs run down everything you will need and get real numbers. Also realize that number will be low it will probably double by time you’re done.
Then make your decision to move forward. It gives you a good spot to decide and cut your losses without too much of a financial loss.
Aggressive-Might-703@reddit (OP)
Amazing advice thank you! I am pretty set on at least trying for a few months.
bmw_19812003@reddit
When I first read the post and saw macgregor was like 100% not worth it. We had a macgregor growing up and while it was a functional boat it’s definitely not worth restoring one, even in good condition I would be cautious getting one.
Then I was looking through the pictures and thinking this is the most heavily modified macgregor I have ever seen, wtf.
Do t know a ton about Macwesters but from some brief reading they seem to be well built at least, so at least there is the possibility of ending up with a decent boat at the end.
blueberrybannock@reddit
Not all Macgregors are water ballast powerboats. I have a Mac 25 and it’s a pretty standard swing keel sloop. Half the Mac 26 models were the weird ones, but I’ve never understood why the whole brand gets a bad rap.
Aggressive-Might-703@reddit (OP)
Also keep in mind the boat is free! Have to pay to move and store it, but no buying cost. The owners friend passed away and needs to move it. From what I read MacWester have a decent track record with many older boats still on the water.
PrimaxAUS@reddit
Yes but why would you try to polish a turd? In no scenario will it end well
daysailor70@reddit
This is going to be a huge project on a boat that was built like crap to begin with. My guess is it's a soggy saturated mess. You can tell it's been sitting for years uncovered and probably full of water. This is absolutely a bad idea and one that will probably result in you spending tons of time and money to never get in the water. Run from this free boat, there are plenty of more realistic boats out there.
Aggressive-Might-703@reddit (OP)
Fair advice, but I am looking to learn about restoration and sailing. Im not looking to sail tomorrow, but slowly refurbish a boat and learn about live aboard life. I know it will cost a lot, but I have time and to me sweat equity can solve a lot of the little issues on the boat. Main hull, and everything else is workable.
yowhywouldyoudothat@reddit
You are starting from -$15’000 and -300 hours. There are other boats that start from a better position. You may learn from this of course but the best thing you’ll learn is to not do this ever again.
Aggressive-Might-703@reddit (OP)
-15000? I’m not building for the Catalina wine mixer here. Budget friendly build with only am off board to start.
Dameon_@reddit
For every issue you've spotted, there's a dozen that are lurking and waiting to be discovered. Do yourself a favor and pick a few bits on the boat, and look up the used prices for those bits. Say, a winch, or a halyard.
PrimaxAUS@reddit
You can likely find a better boat in better condition for near free.
This is a community of people with money pits who are ok with it. They're telling you that this is a money pit that scares them. I'd listen.
yowhywouldyoudothat@reddit
Godspeed OP! Keep us posted.
Aggressive-Might-703@reddit (OP)
I will! Thanks for the vibes
Adamcolter80@reddit
Don't ask for trouble.
Buy a boat that floats/sails already. Doesn't have to be new. There's gonna be plenty to restore.
u399566@reddit
Sad but very true.
CatR0deo@reddit
These specific boats are not great sailing boats, even brand new. There are much better designs out there that can be had in project boat condition for similar costs to acquire as this one but will actually be a good boat with your time, effort and money put into it. Good bones are worth the work, and I might be a bit biased but MacGregors, especially one in that condition, is just not. I think that's what a few of the other commenters are trying to convey as well - a project boat is all well and good, but the juice won't be worth the squeeze on this one given what it is and where it's starting from
rmannyconda78@reddit
Start with a power wash, and prepare to spend a lot of money
Aggressive-Might-703@reddit (OP)
haha yup! and time
Hex_Medusa@reddit
To expand on what u/youngrichyoung said. I would start with the most urgent thing: the hull.
1.) Power wash the boat and especially the hull.
2.) Since the rigg and mast is already down, ideally move the boat into a dry place under a roof.
3.) Assessing the hull: either you get somebody to do it for you or you rent/buy a moisture meter and do it yourself. When the boat is dry but the moisture meter still shows moisture in the hull you need to determine the damage.
youngrichyoung@reddit
I think I'm wrongly getting credit for u/rmannyconda78's comment here.
HawkDriver@reddit
Like way more money than buying a $7000 boat that can sail right now.
GrandFromageSailing@reddit
PLEASE PLEASE Avoid this thing.
I went down and looked at this boat with another "buyer."
You have wetness in the hull:
- Around most of the throughhulls
- Rudder gudgeons
- Most of the deck mounted hardware
- Spider cracking around some of the forward the stancions and chainplates
The turnbuckles are ok, but you would have to replace all the wires since you cant speak to their history. Plus method of storage has some wires kinked and threads spread.
Head sail furling unit would need to be replaced
Electrical wires in the mast should be re-run.
Needs new lighting and instruments.
The mast shoe is broken. You will have to look into an after market piece.
The companion way cover is rotten. There are water leaks into the cabin from the fasters on companion way rails.
There are a few holes that need to have inspection ports installed, but because they have been stored exposed to the elements, there is likely water leeching into the core material.
Plus all the work to get the trailer up and running.
Forgot to mention the motor. Dont know if that guy even works.
Free, in this case, is not a blessing homie.
That estimate on 15k plus 300 hours is pretty on point. Maybe hours could be extended, but you are throwing 15k at this at least.
Wires, halyards, and new furling unit have you at 5k easy. Then add in the resin, core material, glass, bottom seal, bottom paint, incidentals, and trailer expenses. 15k seems about right.
You can have a sweet boat that floats and has a maintenance history for the same price.
Entire-Ambassador-94@reddit
Refurbishing any and especially this boat to bring it to sailable condition costs more in materials alone than a boat already in sailable condition. I've made this mistake before, and I'd advise that you raise your standards. Be patient and you can usually find sailboats in decent condition for $3,000-$5,000.
larfaltil@reddit
Why? They're awful.
Aggressive-Might-703@reddit (OP)
MacGregor or MacWester I made a mistake on the posting sorry!
No-Weakness-2035@reddit
The problem is that macGregors just don’t sail well, they exist as a middle ground between power and sail and do neither well. I’m all for an excessively difficult project but idk if there’s juice in this worth the squeeze
Aggressive-Might-703@reddit (OP)
I think it’s a MacWester I made the edit on a few comments! Sorry
CreepyOlGuy@reddit
youll spend more on a refurb than what a nice used one will cost.
Hard hard pass.
the_fresh_cucumber@reddit
There are boats for free and under $500 that are in much better shape than this if you want to do a restoration project.
You're looking at 2-3 years of nights and weekends for something that will probably be a very poor quality sailing boat.
It would be easier to build a new boat from scratch than restore this one. The person who gave you this boat did so to save money on dump fees.
Take it from me and others who have restored and worked on many boats.... This is a failed project right out of the gate. I'll go ahead and spoil the ending: you will learn enough in 6 months to realize you want to abandon this boat.
Best of luck
sharpescreek@reddit
Even brand new it sails like a bale of hay.
Aggressive-Might-703@reddit (OP)
But does it float?
Sailing-Security-Guy@reddit
This was a garbage boat the day it rolled of the production line. It does not sail well and is not a god power boat either. One in this condition is not worth the effort.
Aggressive-Might-703@reddit (OP)
MacGregor or Macwester?
Reasonable-Pension30@reddit
Why are you so set on this boat ? These were bad boats when they were new. Find a C&C or an Alberg or a CS. At least if and when you finish you would have a respectable boat. Really pretty much anything but this.
Aggressive-Might-703@reddit (OP)
Because its FREE! and its a MacWester not a MacGregor
Scooter87942@reddit
Free is Too Much!
Reasonable-Pension30@reddit
Plenty of free boats out there. Good luck
Current-Apple-2374@reddit
I wouldn’t with a McGregor.
Lunarfuckingorbit@reddit
In what universe is this a macgregor 26? I owned one(and a 25), and it did not look anything like this. Is there a model I'm not familiar with?
Aggressive-Might-703@reddit (OP)
Sorry Mistake! Its a MACWESTER 26
Poised4Flight@reddit
Ah, the MacGregor. The powerboat that wanted to be a sailboat and didn't do either thing well. Don't think about it in terms of the cost in money and time to restore it (if possible), think of what you'll end up with when you're done - a boat that's not that great to begin with when it's new. Not trying to be negative, ask any modestly knowledgable sailor about this manufacturer.
Aggressive-Might-703@reddit (OP)
I think its a MacWester! Not a MacGregor and from what Ive read they have a much better track record! Some still sailing today
chipmonk66gt@reddit
That thing makes my project way less daunting, good luck. Hope you like sanding and spending money. I’m on the “go for it” side of the fence.
bobber18@reddit
Run Forrest, run
Aggressive-Might-703@reddit (OP)
XD good cause I can’t swim
__slamallama__@reddit
You way overpaid, but it is what it is. If you want to sail the boat the first thing is to buy a moisture meter. Your need to check thoroughly for rot under every deck penetration. Chain plates, mast step, stanchions, every cleat/turning block/whatever. They may not be soft but if they're wet, they're toast and need to be cut out and replaced.
Aggressive-Might-703@reddit (OP)
Good advice thank you!
we-otta-be@reddit
I’m gonna pass on that one brah
Aggressive-Might-703@reddit (OP)
Haha thanks bruh
Enough_Professor_741@reddit
This is not a Macgregor.
i_machine_things@reddit
I'm confused. This it not a Mac26.
asssnorkler@reddit
This isn’t a boat, it’s someone else’s trash that they were too lazy to throw away, and are thinking they can con you, as someone who just wants to learn, into taking it off their hands. You do NOT want anything to do with this boat, it’s not a cute fun project “to learn about live aboard life” it’s going to be a dangerous money pit.
BlahBlahBlackCheap@reddit
That does not look like a macgregor.
Aggressive-Might-703@reddit (OP)
MacWester 26 sorry!
BlahBlahBlackCheap@reddit
It’s an English boat. It’s probably build like a brick outhouse.
Zestyclose_Brain_812@reddit
Nice 😎
EuphoricAd5826@reddit
There’s two kinds of sailors those who nail and those who sail. Unless you want to spend 3 years slaving away in a boat yard on the hard. Save up for something better
Aggressive-Might-703@reddit (OP)
Free boat means I learn and have a chance to restore a piece of history.
EuphoricAd5826@reddit
Macgregor is one of the most hated brands along with Hunter. They made the cheapest and most poor quality boats possible. In addition to this they threw historic and tried and tested methods out the window. Basically tried to reinvent the wheel when it comes to rigging, ballast, and safety.
There’s much better ways to learn start by joining a local sailboat race series or regatta. That’s how to learn the fundamentals. Learning fiberglass, engine repair, standing rigging repair and the true cost of rotten wood encapsulated in fiberglass should come years later. But at the end of the day it’s your choice.
Just be careful there’s hundreds of free boats out there….. they’re free for a good reason, maybe look at some boats that aren’t free and see what you’re missing. Plenty of boats under $5,000 that aren’t much better condition. Also free boats usually don’t even have good sails
smedlap@reddit
I hate those things. Bonfire! Please.
Aggressive-Might-703@reddit (OP)
LOL why so much hate
smedlap@reddit
Its a lousy motorboat and a lousy sailboat. It’s two lousy boats in one!
MrRourkeYourHost@reddit
Don't do this! You have your whole life ahead of you. Think of your family.
Aggressive-Might-703@reddit (OP)
LOL I dont have one just a gf and a LOT of time
gsasquatch@reddit
You could probably get a serviceable laser for the price of new trailer tires. For that, think of this like a laser.
Don't insure it unless the marina is making you. If you can't afford to lose a few thousand bucks randomly, this is not the hobby for you. If the marina is making you, that's just part of what they are charging you in essence. Insure everyone else's boats, not this one.
Power wash it and send it. Don't over think it. Treat it like a dinghy that costs as much as 4 trailer tires.
Aggressive-Might-703@reddit (OP)
Again great advice! Thank you. I am going to need insurance for most marina hard land storage.
FnxAudio@reddit
At the very least I'd be charging them to move it so you have the money to move it again when you decide it's costing too much to refurbish.
This is a big project.
Aggressive-Might-703@reddit (OP)
Interesting, asking the owner to assist in the move is a good idea. Ill see what he says.
pheitkemper@reddit
This is not a MacGregor of any type.
Efficient_Waltz_8023@reddit
I've always said the most expensive boat you'll ever own is a free boat..... Interweb seems to suggest hull might be solid glass, deck ply sandwiched with glass. Are there soft spots? Things you can add up right off the bat are sails (are there any and if so are they serviceable, running rigging (probably all need to be replaced), standing rigging is probably already questionable. Take whatever you get for and estimate on these items and double it..... If you are committed to it I'd start with a pressure washer and a dumpster.
Aggressive-Might-703@reddit (OP)
No soft spots pretty good condition honestly.
Typhoon365@reddit
Avoid. I have one in my backyard from my father. These boats are not worth your sweat, blood, and tears. You're better off saving the money and looking elsewhere! Put that passion into a different boat please!
JonSolo1@reddit
There’s nothing more expensive than a free boat
yelruh00@reddit
$$$$$$$$ 🤣
boatslut@reddit
Strip all the metal off of it, recycle the lead
Then: -Cut the deck off & use it as a planter -Chainsaw it into a dumpster -Burn it ... Not environmentally friendly but you end up with a cool pure white fiberglass form that you can do whatever with
Don't try and rebuild it into a sailboat. Better off buying something in much better shape (and a better boat 🤷)
th3_eradicator@reddit
Honest advice. This is not a boat anyone wants, even in great shape. Any money you put into it is never going to be recovered. Unless this boat has sentimental value, burn it with fire.
manzanita2@reddit
while fiberglass does burn it's NOT good to burn it. toxic ichy. It should be either cut up or crushed and put in a landfill.
Aggressive-Might-703@reddit (OP)
Thanks for all the comments and rational feedback guys. Understand this is going to cost a lot, but I have time and can save money on refurbishing and getting used items.
Update it’s a Macwester lol 😂
DankeBernanke@reddit
It’s a Macnightmare lol
DisastrousOrchid5390@reddit
My suggestion Pressure wash is the first step and then completely stripping and gutting and slowly seeing what’s salvageable. Sending you good vibes and motivation, so many projects like this end up dying in backyards and driveways, it will be expensive but if the motivation is there you’re going to be so proud of the end product!
Aggressive-Might-703@reddit (OP)
Exactly what I’m thinking! Regardless of the hate the MacWester has. It will be rewarding to fix a part of sailing history.
youngrichyoung@reddit
I feel like every budget-conscious sailor has to learn this lesson themselves. I wouldn't attempt to bring a boat back from that condition anymore, having learned my lesson the hard way. And if I were tempted to try it, it would not be a MacGregor that tempted me.
oh_andsixteen@reddit
Don't
rickadandoo@reddit
A Sawzall. The most expensive boat is a free one
Foolserrand376@reddit
You’ve got one heck of a project ahead of you. My project sat on on the hard for nearly ten years before I took ownership. I spent 8 months just to get the boat safe to sail.
Trash bags. Lots of trash bags. Empty the boat of anything that isn’t nailed down. Soft goods like fabric and lines. Take them home clean them and see what survives.
Then start cleaning so you can evaluate what’s good and what’s not.
mologav@reddit
That old Mariner is a thing of beauty