Shut it down | TheaterFire

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SoggyGrayDuck@reddit

Yep, they always say the people wouldn't stand a chance but I'd like to counter that a country would be much more careful if people like musk and bezos had a fleet of f16s and navel fleets. How do the independent military contractors get away with it?

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SpareSimian@reddit

Because taxpayers are forced to pay for it. The government would be far less adventurous if it had to raise a new military every time it wanted to poke its nose in foreign affairs. As it did before WWI. The whole point of the 2nd amendment is to obviate the need for a standing military.

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python33000@reddit

Imagine what real innovation and creativity could accomplish for our national defense instead of corruption and insider deals.

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SpareBeat1548@reddit

Doesn’t congress technically decide what we can and cannot own, then the ATF enforces that?

I’m no ATF fan, but we can’t just yeet the ATF without first changing laws. Abolishing the ATF would effectively ban NFA items since there wouldn’t be anyone around to process the paperwork.

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AlphaTangoFoxtrt@reddit

Doesn’t congress technically decide what we can and cannot own, then the ATF enforces that?

Ish.

The ATF has broad rule making power. For example any new open-bolt firearm design is banned because the ATF says it's too easy to convert them to full auto. Congress never said that, but the ATF made a rule that did.

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SpareBeat1548@reddit

Fair point, I’d still rather see laws change before eliminating the ATF. Even if you merge/move the ATF into the FBI, for example, we’ll still have the same problem of a government agency killing dogs because your barrel is too short or shutting down FFL’s over a simple typo

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RedactedEvil476@reddit

Im not a true libertarian but I’m anti ATF. The states can and should regulate those things as they see fit (not the federal government).

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Batman53090@reddit

Burning it down would be more appropriate since they seemed to enjoy burning 86 people to death in Waco, TX back in 1993.

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Fundementalquark@reddit

👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾

That also needs to include draconian alcohol restrictions; ridiculous classifications on recreational drugs; and the government’s weird decision to regulate lotteries.

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Zoltarr777@reddit

Throw in gambling while we're at it

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dontmakepeople@reddit

2A is the permission slip, no? 🤔

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RailLife365@reddit

Not even that. It's a restriction to the government.

You see, rights are unalienable. Every human is born with them, so the US Bill of Rights is a list of those rights that the government cannot take away.

Existing is your permission slip.

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Significant-Push-232@reddit

Recognition* not permission.

The bill of rights was essentially supposed to be a save game file irl. So that people wouldn't have to waste time and energy to keep repeating the same fights of the early levels.

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saggywitchtits@reddit

No, keep the ATF open, but turn it into a store where I can buy my alcohol, tobacco, and firearms in one convenient location!

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cyclorphan@reddit

Don't forget the Explosives!

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python33000@reddit

Now we're talking liberty! We got some real sheep who just don't belong on this sub.

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VomitOnYourDogsNuts@reddit

2A Literally says "well-regulated militia"

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pm_me_your_deadlift@reddit

Well regulated as in well organized. The 2A also literally says “the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

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python33000@reddit

Very clear to me. "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” We got some real sheep who just don't belong on this sub.

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Bird_law_esq@reddit

Ya but libertarians educated by memes do not care about the constitution...

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Ariksenih@reddit

I feel like people are downplaying how important that ‘explosives’ part is.

Even if we assume that people who aren’t smart enough to use fireworks and stuff without hurting themselves probably also won’t hurt a bystander, ATF also that facilitates storing explosives are in compliance with safety laws.

Here’s an article of a recent incident where some idiot was producing illegal fireworks in his house. They had resort to do a controlled burn and it exploded. Article

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python33000@reddit

Ok, a small sliver can be rolled into another dept. Now shut it down!

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IMThorazine@reddit

The Government has no business deciding what law-abiding Americans can own

There, fixed it

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Sus_Frontal_Lobe6119@reddit

Honestly I would say the ATF is the worst part of the government (though almost all of it sucks)

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notabaddude@reddit

Turn it into a department store.

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ronpotx@reddit

Agreed. What’s the point of this redundant agency?

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colenolangus@reddit

Are you ok with alcohol that makes you go blind or has heavy metals? Ok with pesticides in your tobacco? This is the enforcement arm against counterfeiters

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