Northerners who have moved south... What do you dislike about it? Southerners who have moved north... What do you dislike about it?

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TheLandolorian@reddit

Hull to Bournemouth.

Aside from the fact everything costs a lot more, i still prefer it down here. Being so close to the beach, New Forest and other gorgeous places blows my mind. People appear to be happier down here. I found in the North everyone was very doom and gloom.

And the weather is noticeably better. Summers are a lot hotter and winters a lot milder.

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Exotic-Frame-1405@reddit

I second this, we moved from Manchester to Christchurch and there’s so much more to do in nature. It’s just better for your health. It took a few months to adjust to pace of life and I found Manchester damp, wet, dark and gloomy, and everything built for indoors. Sure, you can go to the peaks or lakes etc but how much hiking do you want to do? You’re also battling against a million other people going to similar spots and the congestion is awful.

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Adam-West@reddit

Proximity to nature. Yes the south has countryside but the north and wales absolutely blows anything the south has to offer out the water. Cornwall is nice but it’s miles away from most of the south and in the summer is horrendously overcrowded.

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Exotic-Frame-1405@reddit

Dorset blows Wales out of the park, Sorry

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bobbyfame@reddit

Moved to London 30 years ago (M48) I miss certain aspects of Harrogate but most of them are connected to memories/people. I love the diversity of London, I love getting on the tube for 30/40 minutes and being somewhere completely different. The ease of access to music, food and culture is great. I hate making friends with someone only to find the live 'on the other side of town' (90 mins away etc) I hated the house prices til I bought one and it started to earn more a year than I did. I hate that my kids will probably never be able to buy one. I love that my kids are growing up in a multicultural society with mega opportunities and have friends of all nationalities/backgrounds. I hate the threat of knife crime.

I'm Scottish too and we're stereotyped as "happy to stop for a chat" and nobody is a stranger, etc.

I'm not like that at all. I'd be annoyed if I was just sitting on a park bench and someone wants to tell me their entire life story. Go away.

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cadburyshero@reddit

I’ve found that it’s less that people in the north are friendlier and more than people in the north are more willing to have a conversation with a stranger.

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OZZYMK@reddit

Lived up north for more than 10 years now and I still find it funny when people hear my accent and have the need to tell me how much friendlier they are to people down south.

Ambitious_League4606@reddit

Yes there's friendly communities in and around London for sure. I lived in one. People were always helping each other out or stopping for a chat.

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FirmEcho5895@reddit

Same here. I come from London and every time I go back, I end up having great conversations with everyone from shop assistants to people at the bus stop. Up north people are sweet too, but they seem quite shy and definitely less talkative.

I really miss the museums and concerts of London, but I love the fact all my journeys up here are through beautiful countryside instead of traffic jams.

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IcyAsk6585@reddit

Also agree that this stereotype doesn't ring particularly true. People are people everywhere; same mix of personality types in every place.

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NobodyFair724@reddit

Im from Ohio currently living in Louisiana, I love it down here, the food, the people, I have friends and we joke around they call me a "Damn Yankee" and I will call em "Rednecks" but is all in good fun, one thing I can stand about the south is the mosquitos, I get swarmed by em when I'm camping or chilling by the bonfire, the heat/humidity took some time to get used to.

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New-Preference-5136@reddit

I don't live up north anymore and it's because I couldn't. I don't care who I offend with this.

It's very xenophobic and racist people. If you aren't exactly like them, they don't like you. They accuse you of being stuck up for not living how they expect you to live or out of their own insecurity.
They speak about Southerners as if we're monsters that will come into their rooms at night and eat them.
They seem to confuse education with class. The education levels are poor in general.
There is this obsession with the North-South divide that you have to suffer through all the time.
The obsession with class. I grew up poor, so it threw a lot of them off, which made them angrier because they couldn't beat me with the posh stick. There seems to be a massive lack of understanding of the south in general.
They seem to think doing things badly is proper working class and putting in effort is posh and stuck up.
There are a lot of snobby, morally superior people up north, which is very ironic.
The crime and the justification of it. They're all about community but would rob the common man in a heartbeat.
A severe lack of self-awareness to top it off.
You feel like you're in a bubble, disconnected from the rest of the world.

And the sense of humour is appaling.

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Unified-vibrations@reddit

I am from Newcastle and I get what you mean about some northerns being dicks to southerners but I don't think most are like that to be honest. It sounds like you ran into some miserable people. I know a few people like that and honestly they just pick on anything different and it's disgusting. I must also say that most of the people I know are genuinely nice, accepting of others and down to earth. All I'm trying to say is please don't judge us all on the actions of the worst of us.

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secretvictorian@reddit

Thanks for your honesty...I have to say as a couple who pulled ourselves free of the working class clap trap we were brought up with, and shockingly moved out of Lancashire, weve been subjected to much of your list from my husbands family and old (ex) friends too.

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Blue_Bi0hazard@reddit

this, us midlanders generally feel the way northeners do, but there's kinda a north / south divide within the midlands separately

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Express-Motor8292@reddit

I can imagine and in fairness the midlands is in some respects more left behind as I don’t think there is a really strong cultural identity to the region. The North at least has a strong sense of self which helps it make some noise. By dint of being in between the two, the midlands feels lacking in that regard.

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Blue_Bi0hazard@reddit

Nottinghamshire does more than Leicestershire with more sense of identity, cant say for the others but there are maps that show it.

The primary reason there is disdain for southerners is because of the fact that the north of England has been abandoned for decades at this point in regards to so many aspects aspects of the socioeconomic decline of the north as a direct result of thatcher and her dismantling of the industry centers, if you grew up in the south, regardless of personal circumstances, you likely have never experienced community level destitution

Come to Cornwall. Come to our old centres of industry, to Bodmin, Camborne and Redruth. Come to one of the poorest areas in Western Europe. I'll show you our community level destitution, then I'll show you our house prices. The South isn't London.

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No-Annual6666@reddit

Yeah but Cornwall demanded it be recognised as a celtic nation or whatever, even though its all just borrowed Welsh because it died out and wasn't written down. The fierce sense of identity in Cornwall is the same as in the North. Cornwall is a unique place - the accent is unmissable for one - What the moment above you was saying wasn't directed at you guys lol.

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SkillKitchen8941@reddit

Maybe you come across like a bit of a twat?

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Practical_Narwhal926@reddit

I don’t hate northerners, I have some lovely northern friends, but the whole ‘hating southerners because they think they’re better’ really grinds my gears.

They fail to consider the fact that there are plenty of areas in the south that get neglected too. The south west and east anglia sit very similarly to areas in the north when you look at deprivation and poverty maps. I grew up quite poor on a council estate but because i’m relatively ‘well spoken’ (whatever that means) the immediate assumption is that i’m a stuck up southerner. It makes it really difficult to break the north south social divide when northerners can be really quite rude.

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No-Annual6666@reddit

It looks like everyone is having these same experiences. I doubt northerners think they're better. My fellow Northmen and Northwomen can have huge chips on their shoulders. Our accents are mocked as stupid sounding, and there can be a real snobbery towards us. Its enraging having everything repeated back at you in an exaggerated accent with some implication that you are literally disabled. At least, that was my experience when I went to uni in Cardiff, where most people I knew were southern English. I ended up becoming lifelong friends with a bunch of them, so the accent jokes are actually funny and I can shrug it off.

Although that was probably self selection on my part because the people I've stayed in touch with found my accent endearing and actually enjoyed listening to it.

But anyway - the North is a big place. At around 15 million people it has more than ROI, NI, Wales, and Scotland combined (just about). Yet the Welsh have their assembly, and the Scots have their parliament. There's an undercurrent of Northern independence from around Scotlands big switch to the SNP. 5 million Scots got huge representation from a party purely focused on Scottish interests. The North has Andy Burnham!

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ItsOverCasanova@reddit

I’m a Canadian who first lived in London for 3 years before I moved up to Manchester. Couldn’t make it past 3 months before I ended up coming back down to London.

This is also exactly what I experienced, and even though I’m an expat, I found seeing / observing it from an expat lens to be really annoying and beyond boring I had to go back to London.

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Ok_Section_6279@reddit

Definitely not any Northerner I’ve ever met, 100% my moneys on it being you

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fat_penguin_04@reddit

You have said a lot I recognise from some members of my extended family in rural yorkshire when I lived in London. Most don’t get away much and struggle to find meaningful or well paid work so project this onto others. People are fed in the media an idealised view of London of everyday workers living in nice houses, or lifestyles built on fancy bars and restaurants (watch any BBC/netflix series set there and compare it to real life). It’s a fairly old working class attitude which I think will die out.

However when I lived in London I found there wasn’t a direct working class equivalent, but the grief on the north would come from the middle class (ie those with inherited money) through everyday classism like how my accent was difficult to understand, or if my parents lived in a council estate. They are different types of shit, but shit from the same coin.

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miss_underdog@reddit

You said everything i was nervous to say. I fucking hated them. And I'm a midlander with a rubbish arts degree who grew up in poverty but I got all the same shit from them

AlGunner@reddit

The comment I replied to was about all the money going to London so i was pointing out its no better getting to London from down here. Fleetwood to Windemere has nothing to do with that, so completely irrelevant. A comparable one to that would be Newhaven to Dungeness. 56.5 miles compared to your 55.9. Yours has a shortest time of 2h 14m, Mine has a shortest time of 4h 37m, over twice as long. You just dont want to accept it.

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You claimed East to West up North is slow, but I proved its quicker than comparable distances down South. Was it you or someone else complaining about train times to London, but I proved its not much longer than than many places down South because you have faster trains. Also people have been complaining about poor rail links up North being worse than down South but that is wrong, they are not.

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bowak@reddit

Mate, you're the one who kicked off about train times to London after one person pointed out that London gets preferential treatment.

You just seem to want to argue with everyone and act like every other commenter is against you.

I very rarely block anyone, but never seeing any of your comments again will be a delight.

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SeaweedClean5087@reddit

The main line services are fine but the local train services suck. When northerners complain about the public transport inequalityl, we are mainly complaining that we don’t have anyryhing that is even close to as good as the Undergrounf.

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jpjimm@reddit

I think TFL - the body that funds and maintains the underground and the buses in London is funded by the ticket sales and the local government taxation - eg council tax and business rates. It's not from westminster general tax pot that the whole country pays into.

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SeaweedClean5087@reddit

No city will ever get an underground train network like the tube. It would be financially unviable. Look at what cross rail cost and then imagine starting from scratch on a whole new system when there are not already tunnels in place. It does irk me to hear Londoners complain about it.

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RevStickleback@reddit

Yeah. Southampton to Brighton, under 60 miles, is 2.5 hours by public transport, or a two hour drive.

FaithlessnessEast55@reddit

Southerner in the north right now.

Lots of northerners (especially middle class ones, with something to prove) get angry at me for my accent. One guy even refused to talk to me for being a ‘posh southerner’. I was raised by a single mum on a very low income. But it seems like a decent amount of northerners genuinely believe anyone born south of Cambridge is a multi millionaire

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secretvictorian@reddit

I'm a middle class northerner. I am really sorry for the treatment you've suffered. That's a disgrace.

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InYourAlaska@reddit

Southerner living in Scotland and I feel your pain.

There is one girl at work that used to poke a lot of fun about how I was posh. And I mostly just laughed it off but for whatever reason one day I just wasn’t in the mood for it.

So I let her have it, told her about being raised by a single mum, being homeless at for a year at age three, the emergency accommodation we were in that was flea infested with a heroin addict next door, the park I had to walk through the get to school that a man’s decapitated head was found in, the amount of summers I was told I couldn’t open the window because of bailiffs, just on and on about my council estate childhood.

She grew up very solidly middle class. But for some reason the south east accent is the calling card for the miserable northerners to feel some sort of way about how I should apologise for the sins of Westminster

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Narcissa_Nyx@reddit

I'm genuinely you were pushed to that point. I've had some similar experiences and am, for all intents and purposes, very much working class but I still have very middle class friends (with holiday homes, massive houses, dozens of holidays abroad and expensive weekend music school fees) try to tell me I'm privileged for just starting as a sixth former at a private school this year. Yes, I'm sure I've been vaulted up to the aristocracy despite being on 100% scholarship/bursary.

The accent thing is the worst as well, having people telling you that you "talk posh" and "don't know what it's like" when they could quite easily pay for a private education entirely with no financial strain. I'm certain half of the accent issue is just general anti-intellectualism and a need to experience artificial victimhood and cosplay poverty.

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gtr@reddit

I’ve lived up north for thirty years and never experienced that. Mind you I am from Essex and speak very Estuary so that might explain it!

I feel less posh than the locals in York for sure.

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ShanghaiGoat@reddit

If you own an average priced house, you just might be!

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ShanghaiGoat@reddit

Why the downvotes? I was only joking

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Kind_Ad5566@reddit

Southerners....pay twice as much for houses ergo twice as much for council tax but earn roughly the same as Northerners.

Just because we are screwed paying for housing doesn't mean we are upper or even middle class.

Whiryourselfaround@reddit

As a working class southerner who moved north, I've had a wonderful time. But occasionally this has happened with middle class northerners, people from really well to do backgrounds, who will just want to go in on how posh I must be as I'm southern and it really rubs me the wrong way.

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Terrible-Cost-7741@reddit

Second this, I lived in the south till I was 9 and returned to the north east because my family are from there. The shit I got for my accent was mad, then I moved down south recently and people will comment on it but never as harsh as the northerners were.

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BowiesFixedPupil@reddit

Northerner who moved South. London and the South East to be a touch more precise.

I disliked the cost of everything, particularly housing. I disliked that I became used to it and accepted it for what it was.

I disliked that my accent was a talking point. Not a hug fan of my own voice and to have it dissected on a regular basis, often by complete strangers was a bit annoying after the first couple of years.

I'm with you on the water, didn't drink straight tap water for 5 years, eventually got used to it though and to my horror, I didn't particularly like Yorkshire water when I moved home. I sorted that pretty quickly.

Other than that, I absolutely loved my decade or so down South. The weather is wonderful, the people are far from as grumpy or hostile as I was half expecting and there was just more money floating about to earn.

It's felt pretty unusual how dry it is though

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neilm1000@reddit

Yesterday was the first rainfall in weeks

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neilm1000@reddit

Where's that to? Up the line.

I don't even have a particularly posh accent as far as I can tell, but at uni I had friends from West and South Yorkshire constantly telling me I sounded posh. Yet I have friends down south and abroad who can definitely tell I'm a Yorkshireman.

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cozywit@reddit

Everything gets ruined. Dishwashers, washing machines, clothes, toilets, taps, showers, plants.

Speak for yourself, I've got a water softener and have no issues.

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Kind_Ad5566@reddit

What are the costs of running that water softener if you don't mind me asking.

I did look into it but the running costs were prohibitive.

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cozywit@reddit

So it works by running the water through a resin beads that do some fancy chemistry to remove the hardness from the water. These beeds saturate and are regenerated with a brine solution. You feed the brine solution with salt tablets or salt blocks.

For say the Harvey Mini-Curve water softener, you would use in a busy household (~3 adults (two high shower users), 2 kids) about 2-3 packs per month. Each pack is about £3-5. So monthly cost was about £15 max. But I bulk buy the salt so more like £9.

In a lower use household you can drop down to about 1-2 packs per month.

In return your washing machine, dishwasher, kettle, showers, toilet bowls, shower screens, central heating, iron all stay much much cleaner and more reliable. No de-scaling is require (outside of the kettle which accumulates the softer stuff but can be scrubbed out every year).

Many people seem to like the softer water, apparently soap goes further and it leaves your hair and skin feeling better, however I've never noticed the difference.

The initial install cost is the highest part and you need space and access to your mains inlet and kitchen tap. My house is a new build so it's gone under the kitchen sink where I can bypass drinking water (unsoftened) to my kitchen tap and external garden tap and the rest in the house gets softened. The Harvey softener needs no power, it's all done with the water pressure and just works as long as you feed it salt once or twice a month.

I definitely recommend his videos/playlists on specific types of plant too, as a useful starting point - spider plants, monsteras, pothos, orchids - I just bought a spider orchid from the reduced section at my local garden centre, so I need to go back and rewatch these!

I got into the plant hobby/obsession, having always had just a few houseplants, about a year ago now, when I found his channel while looking for videos to help me with my straggly, unruly and unhappy monstera deliciosa.

It definitely open up a 'gateway' into another world, a very, green, jungle like one - so just be warned!

Now, I'm building terrariums and I have just bought my first carnivorous plants, partly to help with the ever ongoing fight against fungus gnats - I need to collect rainwater for them, though, as they're even fussier than normal plants!

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Kind_Ad5566@reddit

I read yesterday that you can use the water from a condenser dryer, we've recently got one.

I'm going to try that

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EmmaInFrance@reddit

I've had condenser dryers since the early 00s.

I don't use the water from it for my plants though because it may still have traces of fibres and detergent or fabric conditioner.

Although hopefully, this is less of a concern for me, personally as I don't use tablets/capsules and I am very careful to not use too much laundry detergent, and I haven't used fabric conditioner for over a decade! I use white vinegar instead, for towels or anything that's got a bit stinky.

Plus the water 'drawer' already has a tendency to leak all over the place on the very short trip from my boiler/laundry room to the downstairs loo where I usually empty it!

I also don't use my dryer frequently enough to provide sufficient water for all of my plants ;-D

I usually add a couple of drops of water conditioner to the watering can at the same time as I add fertiliser°, so it's simpje enough to manage - and I'm AuDHD, so I really do need to keep things simple to manage!

°Another tip that I learnt from Mr. Sheffield, although there's plenty of other places online that discuss it.

It's known as 'Fertilise weakly, weekly'.

Basically, you add a weak amount of fertiliser everytime you water, rather than trying to remember a 3-6 schedule, at full strength, for each different plant.

I suppose you get used to what you grow up with.

I remember as a child staying with my aunt & Uncle is Yorkshire each summer and having a mild upset stomach for the first week or so, not because the water was bad, but it was a change.

Midnightraven3@reddit

I take that as a compliment, thank you! (genuinely, and not sarcastically) we can unite in not having kidney stones!

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Ok-Entrepreneur1885@reddit

The tap water especially glasgow being fed from loch caterine is bloody marvellous. It's exactly the same as volvic. Hence the name cooncil juice.

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Midnightraven3@reddit

Our water is exceptional, apart from my morning coffee I never drink anything else. Its very refreshing

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Peppl@reddit

Yeah ive always drank it, i dont have a problem with it, ive worked with Scots as well, no problem there either

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doegrey@reddit

I get the glazed eyes when I’m talking to someone as someone tries to pick my accent.

When I do a presentations with strangers these days, I do a quick “about me” introduction to skip the not listening/ inevitable ‘where are you from?’ question. So frustrating. (Mix English/ Australian/ Scottish really not that exciting).

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LankyYogurt7737@reddit

Yeah the water in London is difficult to get used to when you’ve had water from the Pennines your whole life. God I miss it. I would buy bottled Manchester tap water if they did it.

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Hasbeast@reddit

Agree with all of this. I'm from Yorkshire and back up there people don't think I have a particularly strong accent but in London there are endless northerner jokes. I don't mind it so much, it's all friendly banter from mates, but I do sometimes wish my identity wasn't perceived to start and end with being northern.

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NorthernOverthinker@reddit

I feel you on the accent.

I’m from Yorkshire and I went to Milton Keynes on a training course with work a few years ago and my accent was everyone’s source of entertainment for the day.

weather is wonderful

Can you send exact location coordinates please

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What a lovely assessment and I agree.

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im-a-circle@reddit

That I can’t get my weekly dose of the brown stuff.

Good ole chips and gravy

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Exciting-Sky-8900@reddit

Moved from Manchester to Southampton, a few things:

the hard water
the blatant racism (and being told it’s ok they’re from an older generation)
speaking and having people repeat words I’m saying
the lack of food options
mostly unfriendly, getting weird stares when saying hello

I went back home for a few days and I miss how busy the town is, the huge variety of food and things to do and how nice people are!

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gourmetguy2000@reddit

Same from Manchester. I visit my friend who moved to Eastleigh, and I found some good places to eat out in Southampton (recommend Tap and Tandoor if you haven't been). The issue we found was takeaways. After 9pm everything was shut except Dominos and the worst kebab shop I've ever tried. Bonus point though was Wetherspoons in Eastleigh was cheaper than most of the ones in Manchester

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Helpful_Sample_4715@reddit

You'll find the late takeaways are mostly Bevois Valley or Bedford Place way in town. Probably Portswood as well - student areas basically. I actually think Southampton has a lot of places to eat compared to a lot of similar cities, but Manchester is much bigger so may seem limited in comparison. Oxford Street/ Ocean Village has the more expensive independents, Bedford Place the cheaper/cooler independents, West Quay is for the chains!

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ThePolymath1993@reddit

I kinda like the chalky water in Somerset. I mean I've been drinking it my whole life.

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unbelievablydull82@reddit

I grew up in a part of London that was one of the most deprived parts of Britain for decades. Look at my comment history for some of the horrible crap that went on, such as gang rapes behind our garden, half naked whinos lying unconscious in the street during snow storms, the local church implicated in the murder of victoria Climbie, just to name a little bit. There are similar people in London, but the key difference is London is so expensive that anyone can end up in social housing, if there is any available.

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fezzuk@reddit

Crab bucket mentality.

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TroyTempest0101@reddit

Midlander moved South East work(ed) in the City in a very commercial role.

For those considering it, living in London /home counties comes with pros and cons. London particularly has a very work hard, play hard culture.

The South East don't take prisoners, you can be fired very easily. I have several times.

Mentally, you have to be tough. Make no mistake, the nonsense that Northerners say about Southerners being shandy drinkers etc, is just that, nonsense. Most northerners would not accept the long hours, the coldness in interactions, the non unionised working conditions, the commute, the expected drinking culture. Etc.

Southerners earn more money for a reason. Having said that, if you're smart you will become a millionaire. Smart isn't academic achievement, that'll only get you so far, it's your ability to make good decisions and dump losers.

Returning to the North? It would drive me crazy. The lack of can-do, the victim mentality - "its not fair", the general working class ethos, the tiresome football banter etc etc.

After many years in the south, Im mostly a Southerner. Mostly. I don't entirely fit in, 100 per cent. But the same is even more true in the north.

If northerners broke their own tacit rules theyd find more wealth... Tho it comes at a personal cost which may be why they're too entrenched to take the risk.

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Express-Motor8292@reddit

I don’t think anyone doubt that the north is getting wealthier, just not as quickly as the south or many other regions in Europe. As to who is preventing that, it’s likely a combination of tall poppy syndrome, not valuing education, lack of investment and over investment in other regions.

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TroyTempest0101@reddit

I honestly think education is being valued much more. Tho whether it's applied appropriately I can't say. When I look on Facebook, I see many more kids heading for university.

Investment is an odd one, I agree. The South East is traditionally where the vast majority of investment arrives. It makes sense if the resources are easily come by there. Highly educated people, other companies, experience, travel infrastructure, and so on. Tho I suspect much of that is being negated with the internet.

I think the north is improving financially. It will unlikely ever compete with the City. But it can use the City's money to improve much more. Attitudes, in my view, are changing, but they are still too negative overall.

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Express-Motor8292@reddit

It is valued more, but there is still a long way to go and there are many neighbourhoods that feel very left behind. Green shoots though, I agree!

South to north… the cold. Been here 20 years. Also hate how northerners slag off London. Things I like; it’s cheaper, we have hills, things are closer, distance from fam ;o)

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AdsMamaWolf@reddit

Southerner who moved North. Hate how concerts and events tend to forget anythynirth if Birmingham exists, except for a rare occasion in Manchester which is literally the opposite side of the country for me

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WeBeSoldiersThree@reddit

South to North here.

You sure they're not parmas?

Hell of a commitment mind, if I fuck it up I'll never be allowed in the Riverside again.

Yeah, bugger off all youse who are about to say that's a good thing 🤣

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Various_Good_6964@reddit

Get cooking! It's my party piece when folk come over, unbelievable for a date too

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Boroboy72@reddit

Oh aye, never fails ; )

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Expensive-Worker-582@reddit

Southerner who moved to Yorkshire.... I finally understood why people complained about the British weather, I don't think I saw a blue sky for 3 months.

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LSDBX14@reddit

Southerner (Londoner) who lived in Leeds for 7 years...

Likes: Access to the countryside, the water is noticeably better, community based music scenes/DIY scene, food is decent (not that it's bad in London, just you can get a great meal for relatively cheap), obviously housing - I was not earning a great deal but still had a decent quality of life

Dislikes: Constantly being called posh, folk can sometimes bit inward looking (always saying why Yorkshire is so great...which it is but just seemed a bit odd), terrible public transport - not being able to drive was an issue

Both places are great for different reasons

Agree with all the comments about the view that Londoners are rude etc being bullshit

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West-Ad-1532@reddit

I've moved to Buckingham from Halifax.. I dislike nothing about the south... People do comment on my deep voice..😂😂 I'm not a squeaky man like some men in the south...

When I go back to Halifax though people point out my new quasi accent...

I've always been impatient, assertive and rush about so I fit right in especially in London..

I lived down south for just over a decade, from Yorkshire. Happily home now but the scars run deep. A list:

too flat! I missed the hills and the landscape, like viscerally missed it.
not saying hello when you walk past someone on the street. More of a small town thing but I find even in small towns down south people don't say hi! I sometimes think the 'ooh northerners are so friendly' trope is overused but I could never get used to it in smaller places, just nod or say hi!
price of a pint FFS
no good fish and chips.

What I like: all the northerners who moved south

Dislike: people who repeat what I say because they “like” the way I say it

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gazagirl1979@reddit

My friend down here is always trying to get me to say car on t' road or lovely ffs

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gazagirl1979@reddit

The fact hendersons relish is like rocking horse shit to buy lol. Sheffielder here

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BenjiTheSausage@reddit

Moved North from Essex, and honestly the biggest differences are the cost of housing and job opportunities. Housing is actually barely affordable here on low wages as opposed to impossible down South, however, it feels like there just aren't as many opportunities up here.

Other things I like about the North, it's cooler temperatures which is a personal preference, and the water is better.

The negatives of living up north are that the poorer areas really are poor, I don't know if the passage of time has had an effect, but even the poorest parts of where I lived in Essex seen to be miles better than some of the areas around me.

If you like international shows or artists "world tour" means they aren't coming near you, always in London and after a while you just get sick of it.

I've never had any issues with being a southerner, the 'friendlier up north' thing is a myth. Overall, there isn't much difference, but I wouldn't live down South again purely on the cost aspect.

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FOARP@reddit

Moved south when I was 11, so obviously I’m not a fan of the way southerners take the piss out of other accents.

But the job market here is way, way better obviously.

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reuben_iv@reddit

Northerner moved south, I miss everything about it lol the vibes, the coffee, the food, the affordability, the water that doesn’t need filtering lol the not having to get on a train to go anywhere

Moved to give my wife a shot at a career, I do get incredibly home sick sometimes

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Same here in Edinburgh. It's notoriously frosty and not even a particularly big city. So the 'Scots/Northerners are so much friendlier' is another exaggeration. Glaswegians and Geordies are friendlier than Edinburgh folk, in my experience. And everyone I've asked for directions/help in London has been perfectly nice.

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I take the Elizabeth line with trains every 4 minutes. I need to catch a Thameslink train with trains every 20 minutes. And after I need to catch a bus that is every 30 minutes or walk 20 minutes.

Catching that train 4 minutes earlier just gives me a bit more chance to catch that earlier train, and thus more of a chance to catch that final bus.

Outside of London I find most Southerners are friendly enough.

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AltruisticGarbage740@reddit

Before the Blitz Southampton looked like bath

If you remember the buildings below bar by the red lion pub they all looked like that and oxford street

Often still get annoyed at the people who bombed it because it must have looked nice before then

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Icy-Project6261@reddit

Southener who moved North.. the excessive rain.

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Tobias_Carvery@reddit

From Manchester now living in London.

There is a certain group of people here who I can’t stand. White, in their 20s, Southern accents. The men have that curtain style hair cut and wear signet rings. The girls look nondescript but exactly the same. They go skiing and to the rugby. And usually live in Clapham.

aarontbarratt@reddit

Moved from the midlands to Manchester. The most annoying thing is Northerners thinking the midlands is Southern

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Fancy-Professor-7113@reddit

The water knackers my hair.

Sometimes I really miss the big moor spaces and that smell.

My mum and dad

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maceion@reddit

If you have known soft water, you will never become welcome to hard water. You have two options:
the big one - get a water softener for the whole cold supply. the wee one; get a water softener for small amounts of water and soften overnight for your tea / coffee water.

Me: I have just learned to live with hard water for tea. (After 24 years of growing up with soft water!) I did change the tea type I buy. Experimented with some tea brands and types before i decided what 'I like'. A long but useful experiment. NOTE: keep notes,, you do not remember everything.

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No_Let5666@reddit

Southerner that moved north - trash trash trash all over the floor on parks and around the city. People are disgusting.

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Fantastic_Picture384@reddit

Going to the chippy and not having anything wet.

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difficult_Person_666@reddit

I’m a Brummie so possibly not North but I used to live in Brighton and now I can actually call them “Northerners, and everyone else” because I live in the Isle of Wight

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SmallHangryPlanet@reddit

I lived in Devon then moved to Manchester suburbs. Not a fan of it so far, everywhere is always busy and there’s so many people.

The traffic is a relentless and people drive like dicks, never seen so much phone use. Plus the litter is terrible, I did see fly tipping in Devon, but it’s really bad up here. I was up Rivington the other day and seen Takeaway packages just dumped on the side of the road. I find that depressing.

I Always get stuck on the tram with aggressive dickheads too. I haven’t really experienced the north as a friendlier place, Devon was really laid back.

the weather is pretty shit, although Devon is not great in the winter either.

I do like the food though, definitely a lot more options up here.

I used to think britas were for wusses.

Reminds me of another comment that I’m gonna paraphrase: northerners always talk about how hard they are and eating coal for breakfast, then you give them a cup of southern tap water and it’s all like “ee by gum Margaret, fetch the Brita filter”

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rev-fr-john@reddit

I soon got used to the hard water, it's the soft people that get me.

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spicyzsurviving@reddit

My sister moved north and she comments on the water a lot (better up there)

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TelecomsApprentice@reddit

I'm vegetarian and can't find a decent cheese and onion pie or pasty, such as Holland's, very easily

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cheandbis@reddit

I moved north and love it.

The one thing that annoys me a little is seeing something advertised, say a show, and it's in London. Living down there, you just took for granted that everything was on your doorstep.

Yeah it's not so bad if you're in a bigger venue outside of London, but they're often just one spot in those cities outside London (whereas London has 50 or so).

Like the major venues in Sheffield, Leeds, Newcastle, Manchester are pretty good. But anything outside of those and the experiences can be a bit dire. Much better to stick to the performances actually made for those places

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QOTAPOTA@reddit

I wouldn’t say not as good at all. Sometimes the touring shows have a special guest playing a certain role rather than a (also brilliant but unknown) stage actor.
I’m not sure how you could have measured that tbh.

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royalblue1982@reddit

I lived in Reading most of my life and still didn't go to much in London as the expense and hassle.

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EmmaInFrance@reddit

Or when bands from outside the UK tour here, and only play in London.

Or maybe, if we're really lucky, they'll also play Birmingham or Manchester, and one of Newcastle/Glasgow/Edinburgh.

I grew up in South Wales, 20-25 minutes on the train from Cardiff, and then went to uni, and stayed for 6 years, in Bangor in North Wales.

I was a huge rock/metal fan, back in the day. (Still a fan, just a much older, more tired one who can't deal with massive crowds anymore.)

Very, very few bands ever came to Wales.

If they were on a club tour, I usually used to have to either go to the Bristol, usually the Bierkeller, when I was back home, or to a Liverpool club, or the Academy in Manchester. Very occasionally, they'd play the Tivoli in Buckley which is just over the border in Flintshire.

For theatre or arena tours, then it was the same. I never went to one in Bristol but that would be the closest, but did go to Liverpool, Manchester and Birmingham, including seeing Metallica on the 'Black' album tour in the G-Mex, and Skid Row at the NEC.

Even when I was older and I had moved to Nottingham, when my then favourite band - RHCP - played the UK, I had to go to London to see them, once in the Wembley Arena, and then in the less accessible Docklands Arena.

Unfortunately, being a young, working parent, with a mortgage, house to renovate, and student debt, plus a partner who worked shifts, all meamt that I was never able to take advantage of going to see bands like Skunk Anansie and Placebo when they played Rock City :-(

The only time that I did get to go to a gig in Cardiff was to see some overseas death metal bands play St. David's Hall, Massacre, Morgoth, and who? Cannibal Corpse, maybe?

And most of this was back in the early 90s, except for RHCP on the early 00s, when even tickets to see huge US bands, at the peak of their careers, cost around £25-30 max!

These days, as ticket prices have completely skyrocketed, going to gigs must be even further out of reach for young working class people than ever!

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EmmaInFrance@reddit

Or when bands from outside the UK tour here, and only play in London.

Or maybe, if we're really lucky, they'll also play Birmingham or Manchester, and one of Newcastle/Glasgow/Edinburgh.

I grew up in South Wales, 20-25 minutes on the train from Cardiff, and then went to uni, and stayed for 6 years, in Bangor in North Wales.

I was a huge rock/metal fan, back in the day. (Still a fan, just a much older, more tired one who can't deal with massive crowds anymore.)

Very, very few bands ever came to Wales.

If they were on a club tour, I usually used to have to either go to the Bristol, usually the Bierkeller, when I was back home, or to a Liverpool club, or the Academy in Manchester. Very occasionally, they'd play the Tivoli in Buckley which is just over the border in Flintshire.

For theatre or arena tours, then it was the same. I never went to one in Bristol but that would be the closest, but did go to Liverpool, Manchester and Birmingham, including seeing Metallica on the 'Black' album tour in the G-Mex, and Skid Row at the NEC.

Even when I was older and I had moved to Nottingham, when my then favourite band - RHCP - played the UK, I had to go to London to see them, once in the Wembley Arena, and then in the less accessible Docklands Arena.

Unfortunately, being a young, working parent, with a mortgage, house to renovate, and student debt, plus a partner who worked shifts, all meamt that I was never able to take advantage of going to see bands like Skunk Anansie and Placebo when they played Rock City :-(

The only time that I did get to go to a gig in Cardiff was to see some overseas death metal bands play St. David's Hall, Massacre, Morgoth, and who? Cannibal Corpse, maybe?

And most of this was back in the early 90s, except for RHCP on the early 00s, when even tickets to see huge US bands, at the peak of their careers, cost around £25-30 max!

Even still, the distance involved also meant having to pay for train tickets, or going as a group and renting the Students Union minibus!

If we went by train, the gigs usually didn't end until after the last train left, so we'd end up taking sleeping bags and sleeping in the train station, as we couldn't afford to pay for a B n' B or a hotel.

Goung to see RHCP also meant paying for somewhere to stay in London.

These days, as ticket prices have completely skyrocketed and train stations are probably far stricter, going to gigs must be even further out of reach for young working class people than ever!

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StatisticianOwn9953@reddit

Admittedly this depends on what you mean by 'show', but most touring comedy and music acts hit the big northern cities in my experience.

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cheandbis@reddit

I'm more thinking about plays and musicals and other stage shows. They usually start in London and then tour.

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Adventurous-Shoe4035@reddit

This is pretty much the only thing I’ve found is all the “big attractions” are down south! Which I didn’t even realise I took for granted (especially with kids) until I moved!

Other than that I love everything! Especially noticed how as a family we’re so much less ill than we used to be, my kids don’t seem to pick up half as much or my partner !

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Sad_Moment6644@reddit

South east London to North West (Cumbria).

Damn that rain. And 30 miles taking over an hour to drive because of country roads.

like the essex accent?

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newMike3400@reddit

When the Bernstein decided to open a TV station they chose Manchester for what became granada based on how much it remained - thinking people would stay in more and watch tv there.

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lauzzy@reddit

The cost of everything sucks

Southerners are not as nice as northerners, it’s nearly impossible to make friends

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Connect-County-2435@reddit

Moved from Kent to Newcastle in 2011.

Still dislike how a Chinese takeaway sells rice or chips with every dish.

Down south I always used to buy a pot of rice separately then buy various dishes. Worked out a lot cheaper down south & no uncalled need for multiple rice or chips.

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Appropriate_Coat1093@reddit

I moved from the Pennines to Canterbury for a few years and I couldn't get over how FLAT everywhere was? Also all the fields having crops as opposed to cows or sheep. The people are nice enough either place and I was shocked at how un-busy it was in London away from the main attractions lol

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randomlad93@reddit

Moved from Leeds to London for work (work in weybridge but live in Battersea)

I love the access to everything, literally name something it's max 20 minutes away from me most of the time.

Hate

How my accent gets brought up, I've got a heavy Yorkshire accent and I'm basically forced to tone it down so I'm not spoken to either like a sideshow or a moron

Costs, Jesus Christ why is literally everything twice the price for no reason

People, I generally like people and get along but have found southerners (mostly London) to be so rude always acting like they're the most important person in the room

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Difficult_Falcon1022@reddit

There's not much sweet chestnuts here. There's a few willows but they rarely get as kooky as ones in the south.

The odd middle class northerner will do this odd routine where they act like I'm mega posh. It's very weird, I'm from a pretty modest background and it's never working class northerners who do this.

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Underdogdad@reddit

“Fuckin northern monkeys” “I hate these fuckin southern fairies”

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ArseHearse@reddit

Northerner who moved south as a kid

Tap water sucks down here

Chippys cost more and taste worse for some unknown reason

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AstraofCaerbannog@reddit

I’m southern but have been living in the north for nearly 8 years, I have noticed that southerners don’t tend to negatively discuss northerners. But northerners tend to be incredibly biased and sometimes hostile towards the idea of “southerners”(which generally means London/midlands- the south west does not exist to them). I believe this comes from their own perception that they’re being judged.

Mostly it’s not too different. But I’d say, London aside, while northerners are friendly and polite at surface level, they tend to keep to their own groups, particularly in Yorkshire, while people in the south tend to be a lot more open to making friends with strangers. For me that’s a culture shock, I used to make so many friends just from being out and about, even in London. But in the north this has never once happened, not even on nights out.

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JTitch420@reddit

I live in the driest area of the country. I would move to Scotland at the drop of a hat if it had even remotely comparable weather

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sayleanenlarge@reddit

I'm a southerner and I agree with the water. It wrecks everything. I don't see why we can't pay a bit extra and the water companies soften it.

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Scarymonster6666@reddit

Moved from the south west to the Black Country. The water tastes weird here and the limescale is ridiculous. I hate how far away from the sea I am now.

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NoTrain1456@reddit

Yorkshire man moved to Brighton over 35 years ago, I used to regularly get come down here stealing our work and women. I still have my accent ( not as strong), so I'm frequently questioned about my origins.

I hate going back up north cos if I'm with mu brother he will tell his friends " ar kid lives in. Brighton " . To which they'll say to me " Brighton whats tha live there for, it's full o gaaays" .

Really come on it's the 21st century it's not contagious

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jesus_mooney@reddit

I moved south from Perth to Edinburgh. And the water was not a good. But still.

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ShineAtom@reddit

A southerner here who moved to the north Midlands. So not truly north but on the border - Sheffield is just up the road. It's a lovely part of the world with generally lovely people. Been here long enough that I even flatten the odd a. I'm struggling to find anything I dislike about it. Sure it's not London but then I'm not sure that London nowadays is the London I remember.

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Chrissybai38@reddit

I grew up in Cumbria and now live in South. I miss the endless winters and snow, being able to walk safely at night, the food which was always fresh and locally grown. My family are in the South so stuck here.

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jr-91@reddit

Grew up in Surrey. Parents got divorced when I was 10. My Mum was a single mother with 3 kids and a dog on an NHS salary who went through hell with my Dad.

I took on a part-time job from 16 and got EMA just to then help her and lighten the load.

Relocated to Nottingham in 2018 and I get a lot of looks because of my accent. People think I'm posh when I'm really far from it. I'm on a humble graphic designer's salary and live in a pretty rough area whilst I sort debts out.

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LupercalLupercal@reddit

I don't live down south, but my in-laws do. Whenever we go and visit them I'm repulsed by the weird hard water and the furry kettle. Turns my stomach to the point that I don't even drink tea whilst I'm down there

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I moved from Crawley to Liverpool and honestly there's nothing I dislike about the North. People in the South are miserable and won't talk to anyone, in the North everyone is really friendly and helpful.

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ibreatheinspace@reddit

Southerner who moved north for uni 20 years ago and stayed… I generally absolutely love living up here, and I’ve got a very good life.

But, I miss my lifelong friends and family greatly. And I hate that it’s a 4hr drive to visit, or a very expensive train. I also hate that I’ll never be able to afford to move back (to be nearer friends and family) without significantly decimating the quality of my life up here. [I actually wouldn’t want to move back, so it works out okay]

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Edible-flowers@reddit

Our parents moved us from South East to the southwest. Back in Kent, I remember proper seasons. Drier & hotter Summers & colder snowier winters. The SW is a moist area & is often quite humid & grey skies in July & August.

I miss the seasons. I've kept my childhood accent, though its twang is much less & have managed to avoid the 'pirate/farmer' accent.

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Responsible-Age8664@reddit

Southerner here. Back in the days id say living up North was the best thing that ever did. Friendly, slower, cleaner, more green space, more space, cheaper for everything Nowdays, cost of living is the roughly the same for everyday spends aside from rents, mortgages - i think that theres a claim now that living in Manc is more expensive than London. Rents gone up, House prices up, people are less friendly now because theyve allowed the scum media to make then fearful of everyone. Still beautiful green space, easier to beaches. Still a little slower but getting faster. I would never go back down South though.

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miss_underdog@reddit

I moved from Staffordshire to Wakefield and then Huddersfield, and fucking hated it. Absolutely hated it. I struggled to fit in down south in Essex but up north nearly everyone was so goddamn rude! People said they'd be the salt of the earth and all that shit but I once held the door open for 17 people and nobody took it off me or said thank you. Not even cheers! I lived in an area with a lot of muslim people and aside from the odd old shitty man I got on great with them, but the people I worked with, for and served were shit. Entitled, selfish, MEAN, and aggressive.

My husbands beautiful to spend time with. Kind and gentle. I didn't work with a single person like that in the 2 years I could stand it before I fled home. I did that because the guy I made friends with pulled a gun from under his seat to show off!

Don't have a go at me. You'll prove me right. I'm kidding! But honestly, I'm sure outside the big towns it's lovely. My brother loved living in Leeds and ive never had a bad time there. I also had the best night out ever in Hull! Of all places right?

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Pillmetal@reddit

No curd tarts

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Left_East7588@reddit

As cabin crew moving from a northern airport to a London airport. Up north, most people getting on the plane would smile, acknowledge you, say hello, etc. Down here, most people don't acknowledge you or respond to a hello, or they bark their seat number at you despite not being asked for it.

On that, to anyone it may concern, stop telling the cabin crew your seat number when you get on the plane. Nobody asked.

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daniluvsuall@reddit

Southerner who moved north. Only thing I don’t like up here really is how much we are forgotten about by the government, the focus is very much on the south. Otherwise I really like it up here

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From the South to the gorgeous North.

I just can't believe how little the local councils care about litter flying about.

They've recently taken away loads of dog poo bins too so now most places I look has fly tipping, litter everywhere and bagged up or not even bagged up dog poo. We don't even have actual recycling bins...just flappy bags.

I've even got litter in my flip flops walking to the shops.

It's so beautiful here but how are we not meant to be depressed seeing this all of the time.

And footpaths are invaded by cars... I gotta walk my baby on the busy road to get round cars when boy racers (god help me, they're awful) are using the 20mph zone as a rally road.

Also the amount of un neutered cats and strays. Cats walking around looking bashed up, poor things.. I never used to see that down south despite it being extortionate to own pets.

Despite all this, I don't think I'd ever leave. The views can make you cry with awe...

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boringdystopianslave@reddit

When I moved South the things I absolutely hated were:

General higher amount of snobbishness and arrogance than up north, especially after they heard my northern accent it was like you could see the disdain on their face suddenly manifest.
They mock northern accents way too much when some south accents are painful to hear sometimes, way way worse than any overly strong northern accent. I really dislike accents that say L's like W's. 'School' becomes 'Schoow'. 'Tail' becomes 'Tayew'. It drives me up the "wawell" (wall).
Lot of 'alpha' guys down south overcompensate the bass in their voice to try and sound more manly. Combine this with the accents described above and it's so unbearably annoying, Danny Dyer annoying.
Traffic is a hellish nightmare, going anywhere was utterly dreadful.
The water was absolutely disgusting and undrinkable without a filter.

Thankfully you can order everything off of Amazon these days but if I want to go somewhere, I have to get on a motorway to do it.

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Anxious-Bottle7468@reddit

No Waitrose or JL

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Shoddy-Computer2377@reddit

Waitrose only came to Scotland in 2007. Morrisons only came in 2004.

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SnooSeagulls6495@reddit

Southerner who moved to the North (remote worker). Moved from East Anglia to Preston, been here about 3 years.

Pros:

- Rent and housing is considerably cheaper than the South
- In addition, no bump in prices due to the "London tax"
- Tap water is nicer (but took a while to get used to)
- More nature, hills, etc. Suffolk is SO FLAT
- Closer to the Lake District

Cons:
- The weather - definitely get more "storm warnings" in the NW than the SE, makes things tough
- Railway. Despite Preston being pretty well connected, Northern exists as a railway company
- Not being close to "where everything happens (London)", although Manchester has plenty on
- I miss a few breweries in East Anglia, but maybe I haven't found any good local beers quite yet

Generally, I quite like it in the North, wish I did it much sooner. The amount of money I'm saving by not living in the SE is a considerable amount, really makes you think.

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scottishsilversurfer@reddit

They say that the Scots are very well balanced , they hate everybody that isn't them ( xenophobia extremis)

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Shoddy-Computer2377@reddit

As a Scot, the problem I found in recent years was that your provenance as a "Scot" was based on your political beliefs, and that "civic nationalism" bullshit only extended to those who back independence.

Someone who moved to Scotland from Madrid, Lagos, Sydney, Tokyo and who backs Yes is somehow more "Scottish" and their opinion holds more weight than someone born and bred in Motherwell, Lerwick, Stirling, Tranent who backs No.

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Puzzleheaded_Pen3409@reddit

Moved south to north - Pretty much the only thing was proximity to events happening. Everything is usually London, Manchester or Birmingham which each take over 2 hours to get to. Same with major airports.

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my_government_name@reddit

Moved from London to Edinburgh.

Pros: - House prices were much better, for the most part. - Edinburgh festival is brilliant. - Edinburgh is quite pretty, plenty of history to explore. - Food scene is good. - Good base to explore the rest of Scotland.

Cons: - Lots of racism, unfortunately (big culture shock for me. I think this is partly due to lack of population diversity and partly due to lack of education/money/travel opportunities. I met many people who had never left Scotland.). - Lots of anti-English sentiment on top of this. More than banter. - Terrible weather in winter. - Fewer cultural events, etc, cf London. - Shopping hours were much less convenient.

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Shoddy-Computer2377@reddit

House prices were much better, for the most part.

But they are still a total disaster for most people.

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Carinwe_Lysa@reddit

Moved south east from Yorkshire; like others said the general price increase for everyday things, but becoming used to it as wages also increase in comparison, but there's an initial shock when first moving.

I think the accent being a focus point was extremely odd, especially considering how varied the people living there were (people from London, elsewhere in the UK, from abroad), yet still a softer northern accent stood out.

One positive thing that hit me is just how much more there is to do, and what's readily available to people especially in London.

All the big shows, free museums, public displays, just general activities that are either free or extremely easy to attend due to the frequency they're on. Living in Leeds, it was a rare day that something would be on either there or in Manchester, as everything worthwhile was London based.

Also the infrastructure is genuinely lightyears ahead of where I lived in the north, from buses, road quality, trains etc.

Additionally, the ease of traveling to mainland Europe cannot be understated. When you can either get the Eurostar train or a quick flight/ferry across the channel for nothing in costs, it beats having to fly from Leeds-Bradford, Doncaster or Manchester which is often a portion of your day in itself. People often say that London & the South East feels different, and the closeness to mainland Europe IMO plays a big part in this.

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kingoverthinker@reddit

Not exactly a northerner - though people down here would say I am.

I moved from Birmingham to Portsmouth and now Southampton.

Things I don't like: hard water, prices, the accents, proximity to places like the lake district and Scotland.

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Empty-Elderberry-225@reddit

From Suffolk to Scotland. The weather.

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Shoddy-Computer2377@reddit

I went the other way.

Suffolk in Spring through to Autumn is absolutely glorious, but it gets waaay too hot at times.

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padmasundari@reddit

I went Essex > Suffolk > Manchester and honestly, same. From one of the lowest annual rainfall areas to one of the highest. I miss heat that isn't both brief and super humid.

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veryblocky@reddit

I moved from Northumberland to Berkshire. Only thing I really dislike is the lack of coast and beaches, but that’s hardly a fault of the place I moved to!

Honestly, not that different really. People seem equally as friendly here as back in the North.

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Leonichol@reddit

Same move here.

Though I could go on about the differences for about an hour!

And I am annoyed multiple times a week by the sheer amount of people heh.

Sunnier though.

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Hard to get cornbeef pasties from Greggs down here

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Weary_Rule_6729@reddit

im in manchester and never seen a cornbeef pasty in Greggs before! would love one though

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gourmetguy2000@reddit

They used to have them as well as Cornish pasties and one day they took them off. I thought it was everywhere until I went to Greggs further up North

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JonnotheMackem@reddit

Very much a northeastern thing, like stottie cakes - particularly with ham and pease pudding in them.

Both those and the corned beef are amazing and a big miss tbh.

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Weary_Rule_6729@reddit

ive had a cornbeef pasty before but didnt know greggs sold them.

But in general, things are mostly the same. The problems are the same everywhere (outside of London) to different extents, which is both alarming and reassuring.

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gourmetguy2000@reddit

It used to be mainly a London thing the expensive food and housing, but now it's everywhere

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Pebbi@reddit

I moved south for years and I missed the rain. Hardly ever got proper driving rain in comparison to up north.

Other than that it's pretty much the same experience.

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thedeerhunter270@reddit

I moved from Southampton to Co Durham 15 years ago.

The thing that makes it, apart from the scenery and the countryside is the people. People don't judge you anywhere near as much as they do in the south. I think I have only had a handful of people mention my accent in all the years I have been here.

Affordable houses is another thing - and there are some lovely houses up here, it isn't all pit villages.

No way am I ever going back down south to live. I probably couldn't afford too anyway.

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Terrible-Cost-7741@reddit

Co Durham is a much nicer part of the north east to live in! Dare I say the nicest 👀

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Worldly-Question6293@reddit

North to South nearly 40 years. I dislike the presumption that because London and royal family is south ' they are the real England' and then there's this 'up north' bit of the country. They're more reserved, money focused and think Thatcher could do no wrong.....

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Constant-Estate3065@reddit

Tbh, as a true southerner (southern counties) we tend to think of London as a separate region. There’s such a huge contrast socially, economically and environmentally between London and the rest of the south.

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3Cogs@reddit

"Home counties"

I'm perfectly at home in North Cheshire thankyouverymuch.

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Implematic950@reddit

Warwickshire to Leicestershire then finally Derbyshire, I’m happy. 4°c colder on average but as a fat bloke that doesn’t like the heat that suits me.

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Obvious_Flamingo3@reddit

From London, moved to Newcastle for a number of years (and just moved back to be with family)

Things I liked:

The tap water was always cold. My house in London doesn’t have “bad” tap water but I’ve seen it in other houses where it’s cloudy.

The world was so much smaller. Going into the city centre for something was so much more of a smaller task than going into central london.

If a musician or comedian toured in newcastle, getting home was so ridiculously easy it felt like cheating. Seeing a world-famous artist and then ten minutes home on the metro? In London it would be hours and the crowds would be eye watering.

The beaches are so near!

Things I disliked:

The weird hatred-jealousy-curiosity-ignorance mix that northerners seem to have about London. They assume we’re all either posh or rough, despite there being very posh and very rough areas to match it in newcastle, and the north in general. Working in newcastle, I overheard someone in the office tell a story about how they went to london over the weekend and somehow spent £300 on dinner, and everyone just said “oh well, that’s London for you!” I sat there like, no, you probably just went to some ridiculous tourist trap or something

Cold

Lack of jobs! Everything is in London or the south east! If it isn’t, then it’s in Manchester, which isn’t much easier to get to than london

Some restaurants charging “london prices” for things, shops charging “london prices”. Almost nothing is cheaper despite being in the north east, bar maybe Wetherspoons or something. It just makes northerners go, “if this hot dog is £13 in newcastle, it’ll be £30 in London!”

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ClayDenton@reddit

Midlander who moved to London. I like that everyone walks quickly. I like the public transport in London and surrounding areas. I like all the parks. Love the duvetse cuisine and food options. Despite the myths around unfriendly Londoners I like all the community projects in London. There absolutely is a lot of community.

Hate the cost of housing, litter, lack of social cohesion sometimes (Lime bikes doing whatever the hell they want, lack of politeness sometimes e.g. people coming onto the train before you get off).

But overall I love it

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Gary-erotic@reddit

From West Yorkshire, lived in London now for 15 years (and love it).

Things I miss from Yorkshire include the water, the cost of beer, people have better manners queuing in pubs and returning glasses to the bar, Pakistani food is much better generally, easy to get into the countryside quickly and Yorkshire countryside is stunning.

Things I don't miss, passive aggressive racism and sometimes overt racism, snobbery and reverse snobbery (class system in full force).

But generally, majority of people are decent and friendly in both places.

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steerpike1971@reddit

Weather is warmer than I like in London between April and October. Hard water furs up the kettle. I find my native lancashire accent more comforting than London accents. Other than that nothing really.

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This_Rom_Bites@reddit

The water here is awful.

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FloydEGag@reddit

People pronouncing latte as “laaaaaaaatte” haha.

On a less flippant note I’m from North Wales and after 20 years in London I’m so very over the people who tell me I don’t sound Welsh. The north Welsh accent is different, we don’t all sound like we’re in Gavin & Stacey ffs!!!

The water is hard and horrible and I still hate having to clean the mirror in the shower before it gets crusted over with limescale. And having to wash my hair more often because the water is manky.

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seany85@reddit

Leeds lad, 15 years in London here. I’m back home visiting my folks at the moment and went to Whitby yesterday. Decent fish and chips are hard to come by down south. That and they haven’t a clue what a fish butty is.

Yep tap water is shite, filmy tea and crap shower lathers are a fact of life.

I miss dramatic geography too- the Pennines, Peak District, Lake District etc. Kent is nice but it’s not the same.

Inkblot7001@reddit

Originally, from South Yorkshire (is that northern?)

Love it here, SW London, but I go back and visit regularly.

The things I dislike (there is not much) are a greater proportion of pretentious twats and a lot of people who don't know what tough living is, or appreciate what they have.

And I miss the self-depracating dry Yorkshire humour.

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RCMW181@reddit

Born in Yorkshire and went to Uni in Leeds I moved down south many years ago for work.

Dislike the fact I can't find a good curry or fish and chips, it's genuinely worse down here.

Dislike the countryside here too, even the national parks are very built up and urban, nothing really compares to the Yorkshire fails and lake district.

Plenty I like about it too mind, there are reasons I've not moved back.

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idontessaygood@reddit

I’m from Berkshire and been living in Lancaster for 2 years. On the whole I’ve come to like it here although I wasn’t impressed initially.

The weather is a lot worse, I spent a lot of last summer miserably comparing weather forecasts for where I am and where I’m from. 24c sunny vs 16c drizzle for most of it. This winter saw snow back home vs wet sleet in Lancaster.

I’ve also found the whole thing about people being friendlier to be much exaggerated, although people are probably chattier.

The proximity to places like the Lake District and Yorkshire moors is great, lots of places to hike which I love.

There’s more cultural things going on here, lots of live music, and I really enjoyed Lancaster music festival.

It’s cheaper, which is nice. Although not petrol for some reason.

Not noticed a huge difference in the taste of water but it is nice not having to descale my kettle every other day!

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New-Preference-5136@reddit

I’ve also found the whole thing about people being friendlier to be much exaggerated, although people are probably chattier.

A lot of people don't understand the difference between chatty and friendly.

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Existing-Invite-7949@reddit

Does moving from South Africa to Britain count?

Because I tell you, this changing the clocks fuckery is absolute satanism. Oh, and why the fuck does it get dark so early in the winter and stay light so late in the summer? I'll never get used to it.

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Some-Air1274@reddit

Hi, I’m going to go against the grain. I’m from Northern Ireland so maybe you can count me as a fake northerner.

But I moved to southern England and lived there for seven years.

What do I like? 1. The weather is great in the summer. It’s nearly always mid 20’s and often sunny. Whereas here those days are less common and often it’s just cloudy or drizzly. 2. So many shops and things to do in London. 3. Lots of lovely national trust sites to visit. 4. Lots of places to eat at.

What did I dislike? 1. Hardly ever snows. 2. Gets dark an hour + before we do in summer. 3. Shops close quite early. 4. Very reserved. 5. Quite backward views of places outside southern England and obsessed with judging people on their accent. 6. Hate indirect communication which is common there. 7. Home ownership is only possible for the extremely highly paid or those who receive help.

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Feeling_Pen_8579@reddit

The North was far prettier than I expected when I visited.

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BrokenPistachio@reddit

Grew up in East Devon, moved to Southern Scotland.

The weather. My Gods the weather is properly shit up here, it's mostly always raining and it's so bloody muggy in summer. I guess growing up on the coast with its own little micro-climate spoiled me but fucking hell summer can feel so disgustingly oppressive.

Public transport sucks so much. I've never learnt to drive because trains and buses were regular, the trains to the bigger city ran every half hour but here it's hourly up until 6 then it's a couple every 2 hours. On Sunday there are only 5 bloody trains. Buses are worse.

Mains water is glorious and Munchie Boxes are a work of art though

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Northerner who moved south and back again. South likes: public transport, better choice of air travel, more choice of jobs South dislikes: house prices and the obsession with them, tap water is terrible, temperatures in summer can get oppressive North likes: friendlier people, cheaper to live, feel closer to nature North dislikes: poor public transport resulting in terrible traffic and parking, ignored by central government

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Mystic_L@reddit

The water! It's like showering in a stream of bricks by comparison.

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quoole@reddit

Not the South, more the Midlands but definitely south of where I came from!

Costs - where I live is definitely cheaper than London, Essex or Kent but more expensive than up North. House prices as an example, my friend who stayed up North got a 3 bedroom terrace for only about £20K more than my two bed flat. An equivalent property here would be at least 30K, more like 40K more.

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South > North: the beer. It's 95% fizzy piss, or IPA. Would love a pint of Old Grumblebelly (or similar).

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Farscape_rocked@reddit

This is just down to knowing the right pubs to go to, there's a huge range of beer in the north and south. Thinking one is better than the other means you haven't experienced very much (though you can't beat Tirril brewery, which is northern)

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snakeoildriller@reddit

That's true - need yo get out more .

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folklovermore_@reddit

Northerner who moved south (North West England to London).

My grandparents moved from the north to the south in the 80s...they said the real ale was better down here 👀

Mind you they lived in a little hamlet with two pubs so they must have been good.

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mh1191@reddit

Northerner who moved south (Preston to Cambridge and then Essex) 15 years ago - I don't think there's anything I dislike. Maybe the wind, but it's better than the rain.

I love living in the south the but the heat island effect in summer can really make it difficult to get around and enjoy the day, especially when it’s 40 degrees on the central line.

I’ve also noticed that I’m usually the first person to start wearing shorts and go without a coat on warmer spring days. For me the stereotypes of being a hardy northerner are true.

I have found people to be as friendly as up north- if I smile at people they will smile back, and there’s still lots of small talk and friendliness.

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Grungier_Circle@reddit

Agree on the hard water! Been living down South for nearly 20 years now but still get back North regularly. It’s a cliche but people in the north are just generally more friendly and welcoming and don’t take themselves too seriously. I’ve got some amazing friends and family down here don’t get me wrong but everyone just seems a bit more wary of each other and reluctant to open up.

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Ambitious_League4606@reddit

It's more about money and status down south. Although you can get similar in places up north it's generally a different mentality.

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BottleGoblin@reddit

Moved North. Miss some of the local beers you don't get up here. Now,the local beers up here are still just as good but ya moss what ya don't get.

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SUMMATMAN@reddit

I moved north to south (recently gone back). One thing I didn't like was a lack of community in the culture. People at work were much more out for themselves, the amount of dumping rubbish was astronomical, stuff like that. People weren't unfriendly as that stereotype goes, it was deeper than that in my experience. But I enjoyed my time there overall - this question just got me thinking about the bad!

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