Old US-Canada relationship is ‘over,’ warns Canadian prime minister
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Old US-Canada relationship is ‘over,’ warns Canadian prime minister
This is much not good. Prepping related because they're our neighbor, and a lot of Americans share relatives and livelihoods across that border.
When I was young, going to Canada to celebrate our 19th birthdays was a tradition. Canada has been the US's greatest partner and an upstanding neighbor for over 150 years.
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r0b3rtab0ndar@reddit
Yeah. We were an upstanding neighbour, fought and died alongside you, and took in those with nowhere to go during 9/11.
Now your President threatens to annex us and belittles our population.
You get what you vote for. Myself and many others will not forgive or forget for multiple generations.
Enough-Meaning-9905@reddit
This.
Canadians are going to die to protect our rights and freedoms. Needlessly. We will give our last breath in defence of our country.
We have been there along side the US for everything. For wars, for disasters, for protection and aid. We have always been there, right along side them.
How do we get repaid? By being told that we are ungrateful, that we've taken advantage of the US, that we don't deserve to have our independence nor make our own choices.
The worst part? US citizens are complying. They remain silent, going about their lives like everything is normal.
Known_Leek8997@reddit
Minnesotan here: we tried, we’re still resisting, and we’re sorry, neighbor.
Mizchaos132@reddit
Michigander seconding here!! We're trying
AntiBoATX@reddit
It’s been two months. We got blitzed. Give us time, world.
VITOCHAN@reddit
dude.... you've had YEARS. We already have given you 4 years of bullshit nonsense the first time your people stupidly fucked things up by putting a fucktard in power. Now you're at it again, this time worse than before. And you expect people to be patient. Not a chance. You are not trying hard enough, not resisting enough, and saying sorry just doesn't cut it.
YOUR elected officials are systematically destroying everything, and dragging everyone down with them.. and the best you've got is "give us time". Yeeeeesh.
We're fucking doomed if your stance is "let's give it some time" . Disgusted with all of you. And I don't care if you are a card carrying Democrat who lives in a blue state, you still are complicit to everything that administration unleashes on the world. Every fucking time I have to hear Trump, Musk or Vance speak, I'm reminded how stupid your country is.
YOU let this happen. Do more about it
No_Shame318@reddit
What exactly do you expect us to do? I’m not trying to be snarky. I genuinely empathize, I too am appalled by Trump’s threats. I can understand why there’s a lot of resentment against USA from Canadians. It’s just another thing to add to the list of reason why the MAGA cult sickens me.
But what Canadians don’t seem to understand is that our government is oppressing us too….like we have more than enough problems at home. We can’t afford our lives in the states, no signs of improvement either. It’s very bleak. A good majority of Americans do not support any of this. It’s common knowledge here that Elon manipulated votes in Trump’ favor. The nearly daily protests here aren’t resolving anything either. They barely get any attention from media.
All that is to say, that most of us are pissed off on Canada’s behalf about the annexation threats. Plenty of people like me want to help. Then I see comments like this. Seriously why is it up to us to use our limited bandwidth trying to survive this oppressive regime….to fight for the sake of Canadian? That’s the part I don’t understand.
The boycotts on American items, the anger, etc, totally understandable. The hostility from average Canadians towards the average American, as if we have the power to do anything….is what baffles me. We should be uniting, not fighting against other working class americans/canadians. Did Canadians forget MAGA is full of armed psychos who give zero fucks about the law. They’re ready to shoot the “resistance” at any moment? Should we buy guns and shoot them first? To save Canada? I’m just not hearing any realistic solution.
I don’t see any logical resolution for Canadians. I don’t see any legitimate ways that regular Americans like myself can do anything to restore peace with Canada. I’m definitely open to hearing suggestions from Canadians on how the average everyday American can help support Canada’s cause. I’d love to support you guys, but these ^ “hot takes” from Canadians are very discouraging.
VITOCHAN@reddit
Ive responded and apologized in a few other places here, but just wanted to thank you for your response. Emotions are running high for a lot of us.
This is a very good questions, and one I will start asking around randomly at work, home and with friends to gauge a response across different demographics. I think first, jokingly the answer will be "to fuck off" but I do try to tell people that not everyone voted for him, and many were obviously misled, and that we can't stoop to lows unbecoming of our identity just to play the same game.
Right now, what we are seeing here is a huge push to "Buy Canadian" making sure money is not sent to Canadian companies. I'm sure that's the extent of a majority of Canadians political stance. This is also extending to canceling vacations and selling properties as to not pay taxes and put money into the US economy.
So it's going to be tough, do you do the same, and try to buy Canadian goods at a local store that isn't Walmart or some Amazon subsidiary. We look to find local mom and pop stores and support family business, but I understand that might be difficult with how corporate America has kinda destroyed the family business model.
Seriously though, thank you for this question. I need to ponder it deeply myself. Deep down, my prehistoric brain is thinking... if idiots stormed the Capital building to protest a blatant lie about corruption, then why aren't the real patriots storming the Capital building and white house when there is real corruption and wrong doing. Again, I know that can't happen, but that's goina be the first thought for a lot of people. If the stupid side can get things as far as they can, then why can't the smart side prevent it or already have a contingency plan for this exact moment. Are the smart people too nice, are they too politically correct to take the gloves off and fight dirty. Are they too afraid to become what they hate the most and become louder and more belligerent about it.
Or maybe we are all still in the 'shock and awe" phase. Once the world can re-align after USA self isolates, clearer heads and calmer thoughts can lead to a more sustainable future
No_Shame318@reddit
That’s okay! Thanks for your response. Emotions are running high here in the states too. I’m glad you found my essay and my question for Canadians to be thought-provoking. I’m speaking from a place of earnestness, we love Canadians and we’re exhausted by Trump’s threats. I assure you, the vast majority of us regular (sane) Americans are on your side. We’re scrambling our brains trying to figure out a viable solution on handling the orange dictator. Please let us everyday Americans on Reddit know if you can suggest any ideas on how we can improve relations with our Canadian neighbors.🇨🇦❤️🔥🇺🇸
VITOCHAN@reddit
This thread and the responses from real neighbours like yourself and the others here have shown me more about true American values and hope there is a better united future for all of us. That, or at least we've got a pretty good cross boarder resistance thing building !
No_Shame318@reddit
I agree :’) that’s why I wrote my whole long essay lol. Canadians are our “cousins”, we should be doing everything we can to support each other. Not tear each other down. Sorry for being a bit harsh btw, I didn’t mean to invalidate your experience. Canadians have every reason to be upset with our government, it’s only natural for that frustration to extend a bit to regular Americans. The truth is we are way more powerless than most people realize. So I truly appreciate your open-mindedness and willing to analyze the situation from our perspective.
VITOCHAN@reddit
its all good. This is so new for all of us, reactionary emotions were the first response because we've never really felt anything like this, and will still always be asking the question "but why, we have only ever been the best of allies, so what else is going on here. Did we really just lose the Cold War because our once closet ally is now an extension of the Kremlin?" It's all very weird watching from up here. It seems like reality TV... low brow bullshit with no substance.
It does seem helpless and you might seem powerless..., but I just heard there was a big win in Wisconsin after some Elon voting scandal, and a whole bunch of you are really good at fucking with Tesla dealerships... so I know you all got it in ya to fight back. Hell, if history taught me anything, your country was founded on the notion that when a government becomes destructive to the people’s rights—such as life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness—it is the right and even the duty of the people to alter or overthrow it. It's not too late. I've got faith in you guys (at least in those Americans i've had the pleasure of interacting with here on PrepperIntel)
BoozySlushPops@reddit
I live about 3,500 miles from the Capitol. If I got on a plane tomorrow to D.C. and took a Metro to the Capitol building, what would I do next? Throw a rock?
AlienArtefact@reddit
Let’s hope things improve. I live in Canada 🇨🇦 now but grew up in Belgium. 🇧🇪 Canadians liberated my hometown Ghent, Flanders, Belgium, and the USA liberated Europe as a whole and Asian countries. I will be forever grateful. As boys, we grew up obsessed with that American power and might. So many movies and shows came from the US. I love Canada, and remember when as a Canadian, traveling to the US was so easy, because the two countries were such good friends. I hope this wonderful time will come back ❤️ Americans are suffering as well. Fascism is never pretty. Perhaps all this upheaval will make people realize such friendships are worth more than anything in the world. I feel like with Putin and the Republicans now, we are are at the tail end of the 20th century and its wars and the ageing self serving baby boom generation…
Connect-Type493@reddit
What's that bit about second amendment, something something tyrannical government...
MiniJunkie@reddit
Dude, some of us (Canadian) understand. As much as I’m alarmed about the US saber rattling towards Canada, I’m glad to be on this side of the border. Things are not good down there and I know it’s a scary situation.
Canadians are rather fired up about the situation (understandably, I think). But you guys are in more trouble than we are.
Animist_Prime@reddit
Vitochan, as an American, I get the anger, I really do. And I am not going to presume to tell Canadians what they should do or feel or whatever. Ill just say this. The only way to get back from this is for all the normal people to band together and hopefully have enough votes to get power away from them. And I am talking in mine country, yours, all over the West. This shit is stirring all over. It is an active campaign to divide the West. And we thought we were immune right before Nov. 8, 2016. We were wrong.
It feels just and right to give into generalized hate and anger. These past 9 years Ive realized that type of hate/anger just plays into their hands. Generalized hate/anger is how we got here.
All the best from someone who has always liked Canada.
VITOCHAN@reddit
Thank you for the response. I also get how some poorly educated were easily swayed to vote against Hilary and Biden(Kamala) , and maybe going with what they thought was a lessor of two evils with Trump, but unfortunately that was just an unknown evil that I don't many fully could comprehend EVERYTHING we are seeing (despite the warnings with that Project 2025 thing). Shit got cranked up real fast, and a lot of us are still in that shock and awe phase, which like you said, divide us and confuse us. Banding together seems like a monumental task sometimes, but I think this is the catalyst a lot of people needed (although just a tad bit too late). Thanks again for your response and insight. Cheers
Fun_Ad3902@reddit
American here and one who has fought against this for over a decade. I’m not here to make you feel bad, but to let you know that our media is absolutely suppressing the multiple, massive and daily protests we are having across the USA. It makes it look like we don’t care. We do. Deeply. If you go on X and follow enough USA liberal people, they are using social media to spread awareness of these protests. These protests are very well attended.
The issue is, in my state at least. Peaceful protests that do not align with the current regime have been declared illegal. It was aimed at BLM protesters but I can’t help believe that it was also directed towards these types of protests as well. They laid their foundation down very well and those of us who alerted others to the dangers of this and Project 2025 were and still are told we’re overreacting.
I support other countries boycotting American products and not putting up with ignorant talk about your own countries! You absolutely do not deserve the way the current regime here is attacking your Counties. Cancel your vacations here, sell your properties and starve the USA government of your money.
VITOCHAN@reddit
Do you have any media sources or journalists worth following. Should I start using BlueSky for social media (I dont use any socials right now, so am always out of the loop)
I don't want to support america financially. I want to help America rage against the machine. My original comments here were coming from pure emotion and frustration. Many of you true patriots have already given me hope with your comments and stories of protests and cutting ties with RedHat family members.
So if you have any good solid journalists or media sources I could browse, I would appreciate the direction. I really need to learn more about your grass root movements and the right people to support when and if the time calls for it
Fun_Ad3902@reddit
Most of my sources are individuals, as the media is being suppressed.
Anonymous is a good source https://x.com/youranoncentral/status/1267357159769047040?s=46&t=ZwUyYnbKC3pDN1mydnaN_w
BigBlueWaveUSA2026 is a good source.
If you go to the search bar in X and type in USA protests you will find out who is putting them together and where.
Like ProtestSafeUSA
USAProtestsHQ
I have Bluesky but I rarely use it. I want to protest on a social media platform that is not mainly already in agreement with me, like X and FB. You might be able to find more USA protests on Bluesky tho.
Also. It doesn’t surprise me at all that many of us are very angry about the current regime ruining our trust and good relationship with Canada.
I hope this helps.
VITOCHAN@reddit
thank you kind sir. I do want to try to avoid Twitter, but have found some ways to look it up with out visiting the site directly.
SasquatchIsMyHomie@reddit
I don’t think you understand what’s actually been going on in this country for the past 10 years or so. But I want to emphasize, YOU SHOULDN’T HAVE TO because none of this should be happening. You shouldn’t have to be privy to the years-long, multi-front struggle that some of us have waged to prevent this very thing from happening.
Yes, we failed. Yes, we tried many things, too many to list here. Yes, in hindsight, some things we tried were more effective than others and we should have focused our energies differently. But if Trump could’ve held his annexation talk till after your fall elections, you would be in the exact same place we are now, only worse. You would have elected a Trumpist government ready to carve Canada up from the inside.
But I think it’s really cute that you think we all just need to call our senators or something. You have no idea how fucked we are. Just be glad you’re looking at it from the outside.
Initial-Pudding7892@reddit
this is where i'm generally at as well
yea im pissed. yea im annoyed. yes im doing what i can within what i can do as a single person that doesnt involve breaking the law
but im also tired of people asking "why isnt anyone doing anything" or "you should be doing something" when they themselves won't be impacted or won't do something. pardon me for not throwing my life away while the majority of the population stands around with their thumb up their ass waiting for someone else to take the risk so they can go on living their lives without putting any skin in the game
Future_Union_965@reddit
France's own right wing was popular. Italy elected a right wing government and elected a descendedent of Mussolini. Turkey is under a dictatorship. And the AFD is gaining popularity in Germany. The right wing government is still in power in the UK. What else am I missing?
Initial-Pudding7892@reddit
far right authoritarians are on the rise across the world
the US just to happens to have a moron at the head of the most power military and economy in history so it matters more to everyone else
Future_Union_965@reddit
Lmao I wondered why that happened? It's not like Europe stopped funding it's military or failed to uphold its nato obligations.
MiniJunkie@reddit
I’m with you on all that.
Though to be fair, our “version of Trump” isn’t even remotely as evil or whacko as the real deal 😂
SasquatchIsMyHomie@reddit
It’s also really unclear what that “something” is, even among engaged members of the American left. Ask ten people, you’ll get ten answers along with a detailed explanation for why the other nine people are amoral idiots. Which, for the Americans reading this, do the thing that feels right to you so at least you can live with your choices. But I’m getting really sick to death of people acting like they have all the answers.
Initial-Pudding7892@reddit
yep
to be frank enough people need to reach a tipping point to legitimately get involved, organize, and determine a course of action with a goal
its is really fucking hard to do all of that. until enough people feel the pain/need to get involved, not much will change imo. it will require people to give up their jobs, risk their friends and families, their own safety. that's a big fucking as of people, and not many, imo, think what is going on right now is worth that risk
Cutsman4057@reddit
Seriously. I'm in my 30s. I was born while all this shit was already beginning to boil somewhere under the surface. My first vote was in 2008, and I've voted for the not insane people every time.
I'm one fucking guy living in a not red state. My congresspeople aren't the best but they're not foreign assets or complete shitweasels. All this shit is way above my weight class. I love Canada. I used to love America.
I make jack shit and I spend every waking minute working to keep me and my small family going. The hell am I supposed to do?
_-Burninat0r-_@reddit
couple million Americans protesting in DC for months on end + daily protests in all state capitols should do the trick. All you need is food and shelter, and a lot of those logistics will be organized to go to the protesters. You don't need money.
Yes you will miss bill payments, yes you will have a lot of shit to figure out afterwards, but you'll have saved your country and things will work themselves out eventually.
If you have family you could stay at after protesting, or anything else that prevents you from becoming homeless, then you have no excuse. But just like all other Americans you're a slave to the grind and trapped in this mindset that you can't live without dollars coming in every month.
I've talked to multiple Americans on Reddit and everyone is just praying someone else saves the country because they have "obligations". Guess what, everyone does, that's the trap! And no, the homeless fentanyl addicts, unemployed people on welfare or students still living at home are not going to save your country. People who feel like they have obligations will need to join.
If you don't want to because you think there is only one way to live your life that is fine, but then you honestly have no right to complain about the consequences. Evil will have won because people like you did nothing.
Cutsman4057@reddit
"You don't need money"
Sure in theory. But in practice I need to provide for my disabled wife and my 2 year old kid and my elderly dog. I live on the other side of the country and hours away from my state Capitol.
"You have no excuse"
Ok. Privileged take if I've ever seen one.
I'm brown. I'll get disappeared. Then my wife and kid suffer.
Let's say I go to a protest. Then what? There have been protests exactly as you've described multiple times since inauguration. Nothing has happened.
I agree something needs to be done. And I'm happy to help how I can. But for you to sit there and say I need to go stand up as one small person against the big bad government and say to hell with my family's needs is so beyond frustrating. We'd love to do something. Millions of us would love to do what you've described. But we can't because if we do, our families are fucked.
_-Burninat0r-_@reddit
You need to pull an Occupy Wall Street on the White House and stay there for as long as it takes. These small short protests have ZERO effect. The government can just ignore them and you've achieved fuck all. You need a protest that can't be ignored. Several million Americans in DC camping around the White House for as long as it takes.
I'm sure you and/or your wife has family she can stay at with the kid and the dog. You're talking like you're alone in the world. All they need is food and shelter. All of that is perfectly possible by staying at family. Or are you saying your wife and child are dead if god forbid something happens to you in your daily life?
They can't make millions of Americans "disappear".
All I'm hearing is "it's too much of an inconvenience to save my country". You keep mentioning money-related problems and can't seem to think of any solutions. You and all other americans. It's pathetic, honestly. Looks like America needs their own "Never again" moment like (Nazi) Germany, before they gain the societal skills to actually resist the government. I fear the local and international destruction that is coming.
Enjoy 50 years of oppression because once these guys have an iron grip on the country, you're not getting rid of them. Look at Putin's Russia, that's what the US government is being modeled after. You either prevent it while you still can, the window is still open at the moment, or you do nothing, but then I don't want to hear any complaints.
New-Wall-7398@reddit
lol if you have it so figured out then why don’t you come here and start organizing it?
Cutsman4057@reddit
Exactly. Dude knows nothing about how this country operates.
I'm not defending it. It fucking sucks. But if I want to survive with my wife and kid I need to work and pay my bills and shit. I would love to go protest at the Capitol building but uhhhh that's a little hard when it's half a continent away from me.
If money isn't important as this guy says, how tf do I fly or drive there?
Cutsman4057@reddit
Lol buddy again with the super privileged take.
Look. I get what you're saying. But I'm literally on my own with my wife and kid. If there's no me in the picture, they have nobody close enough who can help.
All they need is food and shelter you say so confidently, completely ignoring the need for medication, childcare, toddler supplies, dog medication, house maintenance, car maintenance... the list goes on.
How do you think they keep the food on their plates and the shelter over their head?
New-Wall-7398@reddit
It’s easy enough to tell someone else to give up their livelihood and that they’ll be taken care of afterwards, but that’s kinda a big thing to ask especially when our health insurance is directly tied to our employment.
Also a huge difference is that the US is gigantic compared to any of your examples. We may have 300 million citizens, but they’re spread out over the length of an entire continent and creates massive logistical issues with organizing movements that would actually have an impact.
Most of the successful social reform movements here have been beget from a charismatic cult of personality, the problem is we haven’t had anyone like that step forward.
VITOCHAN@reddit
I do appreciate your responses, and I will apologize for being overbearing. I know you understand the frustrations, and pointing out failures isn't going to move things forward. I do however know how fucked you are, which is why my anger and displeasure turns into Reddit rants. "Nobody is doing enough" is turning into "You're not doing enough" and I don't mean to specifically single you out.
If shit does get even worse, and you're forced to flee the States due to fear of persecution for your attempt to subvert the ruling class, you're free to shack up here. I've got beer and bacon and live deep enough in the woods that we can resist for a long time
Ryfhoff@reddit
Easy does it there. You’re way the fuck out of line here. I’m certainly not risking anything because you guys are mad. Talk about fucktards in power, take a look around man. Your guy is up there saying all this shit you should have been doing all along as a country. Trade was lopsided, look it up.
VITOCHAN@reddit
Are you defending the decisions made by the American administration and somehow saying this is Canadas fault. Trade talks aside, regardless of what Trump is saying or happens from now.... the damage is done for the majority of Canadians. Just “recognizing our sovereignty” is hardly the green light to resume buying US vacays and orange juice. This will take generations to repair and it will require the American right wing to genuinely be accountable, which I don’t see happening for a long time. And regardless, even if Trump and the Red hat idiots magically loves Canada now and all of this goes away, the horror he’s inflicting on the rest of the world should be enough for us to continue buying Canadian and boycotting the US. A regime that deports protesters, leaks military data, cosies up to Putin, puts tourists in ICE camps, threatens to invade other allies (I could go on and on and on about the bullshit, and thats even before the trade talks), should never be normalized. This has nothing to do with trade for us. This is pushing back against threats of invasion and an attack on our sovereignty . So please don't say easy does it. I've already responded to many others in regards to my first statements (you can see the edit). "Your guy up there" tells me you have no idea whats actually going on here politically, as there have been numerous elections both provincially and now federally. Trudeau, Ford, Carney, Pollievre, many Canadian politicians have weighed in on this matter. And all this shit we should have been doing all along ? Like what ? For the last 150 years we have been allies, had trade agreements and could cross boarders without issues. Someone decided to break that friendship for closer ties to Russia .... so again, before I rant off... remember which country voted Trump in, and what country has their elected officials threatening to invade other countries. There is NOTHING out of line with Canadians being absolutely pissed with America right now , and if you can't see that, you're just as much part of the problem as those Red Hat wearing idiots.
AntiBoATX@reddit
Ok lemme go overthrow the most powerful government with the strongest military backed by the largest capitalist machine in the history of the world real quick. BRB.
No-Intention1183@reddit
It’s more that your country has been sliding into an undemocratic mess for years now and there seemed to be very little concern amongst the general populace. Southern states are gutting education and restricting women’s rights? Meh, whatever. Democracy Watch calls you a “troubled democracy”? Pfft, woke libtards.
Some of you are waking up now, but I think the vast majority of you are still sleeping on this decline. That’s more what we (or at least I) mean by “you could’ve done more.” No one expects you to take on your military or storm the Capitol. We want you to be as safe as possible.
polchickenpotpie@reddit
What the fuck do you want me to do up here in PA about Florida getting their education?
You sure? Because frankly I've seen so many non-Americans going "why don't you go shoot up DC with all your guns already?!" all over this site that I have to wonder if they're all Russian boys trying to instigate shit.
Future_Union_965@reddit
So many non-Americans are clueless. They act like Americans are egotistical but don't notice their own arrogance. This conflict has show me how stupid so many non-Americans are. They are like "Americans do something" and don't notice their own slip into autocracy and right wing leadership. Canada almost had its own trump and still might. Russia is influencing European and Canadian social media and elections. Europe has not shut off Russian gas. They have not seized oligarch property, they have not sent soldiers to Ukraine. US military advisors were advising European countries to rearm for decades. But those countries refused. Only now that Trump is threatening them so they give a shit. They didn't give a shit when Russia invaded crimea or rest of Ukraine. They didn't care when US advisors recommend them to rebuild due to intelligence reporting Russian advances.
GuillermoHenry@reddit
History shows that engaging 3.5% of the population is enough:
Nonviolent protests are twice as likely to succeed as armed conflicts – and those engaging a threshold of 3.5% of the population have never failed to bring about change.
In 1986, millions of Filipinos took to the streets of Manila in peaceful protest and prayer in the People Power movement. The Marcos regime folded on the fourth day.
In 2003, the people of Georgia ousted Eduard Shevardnadze through the bloodless Rose Revolution, in which protestors stormed the parliament building holding the flowers in their hands. While in 2019, the presidents of Sudan and Algeria both announced they would step aside after decades in office, thanks to peaceful campaigns of resistance.
Source: https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20190513-it-only-takes-35-of-people-to-change-the-world
Perihelion286@reddit
Yeah but Americans are special.
Future_Union_965@reddit
Stfu. No one is special. It's hard to mobilize protests in the US due to how rural the US is..Canada is more urbanized than the US.
_-Burninat0r-_@reddit
Your mistake is thinking the US military is on his side. If enough Americans band together, the military won't do shit. They're not gonna gun down tens of millions of Americans.
Soldiers are citizens too, you know. There's also a major risk that the military splits in 2 sides, one attacking the american people, the other defending. Trump would be stupid to try and sic the US military on masses of US citizens now.
However, the longer people wait and the tighter their grip gets on the country, the more the odds are stacked against you and the higher the chance that the military will side with him..
Unfortunately it looks like Americans are giving Trump that time.
Current_Brick5305@reddit
E Plurabus Unum
VITOCHAN@reddit
Fair point.
Still disgusted with Americans and everything you represent now. I get some people are against what's going on, but your countries image, which wasn't favourable to being with, is now the laughing stock of the world. It's a scary laugh, because of how absurd it is to think a developed nation would elect a TV personality with absolutely zero intelligence into the highest public office.
But if that's the attitude you have, regardless of how big the fight is, you're going keep getting bent over. I'll be grabbing my popcorn and watching with delight as your country self implodes. The rest of the world will stand up, unite and overcome the negative ignorance and stupidity that is America while you're still 'giving it time' and expecting the rest of the world to wait until something happens.
What have you done specifically other than vote? Did you campaign, did you go door to door, did you stop the spread of misinformation in your community, did you organize a movement, have you been to a protest, have you written letters to your congress or whatever position is at the head of your state. There are literally hundreds of other things you can do socially, politically and in your community that can swing and change the views and voting habits of others.... but instead your first response is laden with fear about a government who is more heavily armed than its citizens. Isn't this the exact reason you still have all those school shootings and mass murders with guns.... because you choose to believe it's the right of a Citizen to be armed in case the government rises up and tries to control the people.
Isn't this the exact moment you folks have let all those school kids die for.. to keep your guns to fight back against an out of control government ?
No_Shame318@reddit
You are mistaken. People are already taking all of these actions. People have been taking these actions. Absolutely nothing has changed. The fascists quite literally won. They’re jailing the resistance. This isn’t like previous conflicts. The people in charge quite literally have no regard for upholding the law. It’s gonna get ugly. I see no resolution. Personally, I’m bilingual and have the privilege of working remote. So I plan to move abroad to another country where I can speak the language. I quite literally don’t have the bandwidth to advocate for America or Canada…. when I’m in the middle of escaping this oppressive regime. Mind you my family came to America to escape yet another dictatorship. We’re tired.
NecessaryJellyfish90@reddit
Your ancestors did it.
They saw this happening again and made some kind of amendment....
Ok-Shelter9702@reddit
Isn't that exactly what over the past decades we've told Germans what their parents and grandparents should have done after the Nazis came to power?
u/VITOCHAN has a point. A strong point.
upickleweasel@reddit
Cope
Future_Union_965@reddit
Ok and who the fuck are you? You don't represent your government. You're nobody on the internet. I don't like trump but your arrogance is also annoying. Everyone is trying to deal with things their own way..sorry life isn't perfect for you.
Vock@reddit
Hey buddy,
Canada is heading the same direction with CPC pushing a lot of the same agenda, and half the country is pushing for that, and a lot of Alberta.
It can happen here.
kingofthesofas@reddit
So many of us have voted, argued, protested, boycotted and burned entire relationships to the ground and done everything we can short of armed rebellion to not have this person in charge. Hell I got uninvited for life to amazing ranches by people I had looked up to and considered close friends all because I tried to convince them of the stupidity of this.
Yes lots of people in this country are stupid but it's much much more than that. We are under sustained assault by a multi decade propaganda agenda and machine funded by Russians, billionaires and fascists. This is added by the massive impact of social media and the ability for a few rich people in charge of it to have a massive impact on people's view of reality. Add to that a corrupt and stupid class of political elite on the left that are both powerless to stop this and more concerned with their own status than the fate of the nation (looking at you Joe Biden people that thought running a second term and playing weekend at Bernie's with him just to preserve your power was a good idea).
Don't lay this at my feet or at the feet of people like me. If half of Americans that don't vote just showed up and gave a shit then we wouldn't be here. If protest voters who somehow thought electing Trump would be better for Gaza had more than two braincells we wouldn't be here. If politicians 20 years ago had the balls to actually shut down the propaganda machine or reform elections or pass laws to reign in the president or a million other things we would be here. BUT WE ARE HERE. Blaming the people that actually did their best to stop it is pointless when there are SO MANY better people and things to blame. So sorry I'm not willing to set myself on fire in front of a Tesla dealership or something to pay for their crimes.
Oh and by the way as pissed as you are at Americans up until Trump started his bullshit your country was one election away from electing Canada's version of Donald Trump so look to your own country because those same forces are coming for you too (lest we forget about right wing Canadian trucker convoys blocking trade with the US). If anything Trump may have ruined the possibility of a fascist takeover there too in one fell swoop so at least there is that silver lining.
At the end of the day if this really goes to the dark places that it can go those of us in both countries may end up needing to fight together against what is increasingly a multi national fascist right wing takeover of the free world.
ghilliegal@reddit
Canadian here, thanks for this explanation. It’s very hard to get over the betrayal we feel and it’s very easy to lay blame on everyone (even though we know it’s more nuanced of course)
VITOCHAN@reddit
Ive responded to a few other comments with my apology for the rant, however specifically about this... we aren't out of the woods just yet. An election has been called in about 5-6 weeks, and there isn't a clear winner just yet. The new PM hasn't been elected, just appointed, and there are many that aren't happy with his track record with Brexit and his time in the EU. We have see the attack style politics bleed into our elections over the past few years, and a lot of the "Red Hat" type folks spreading misinformation (google Romana Didulo for a good laugh at what nonsense is already here)
What I saw today, was Trump not belittling Carney after their chat, thus silently endorsing him. Did not call him governor, did not call Canada the 51st state. This will allow the Conservatives here to make it seem like our Liberal party is more aligned with Trumps vision, which is so far from the truth. The conservative leader is a corporate dickwad who's been a career politician since 18 years old, and unfortuetnly there is still a generation of old timers here who believe being fiscally conservative also means they have to vote conservative , even if the leader doesnt fully align with their social views. It will defiantly be an interesting next few weeks here, as there are already reports of foreign interference from India, China and Russia.
Again, like I said to the other guy, if shit really does go south, and you need to flee north and regroup to resist. Ive got land, bunks, beer and bacon. We've got this
kingofthesofas@reddit
Hell yeah man I am hoping for a good outcome to the election for y'all. I think we are all going to have to be in this together because these people are like hydra and just every head that gets cut off more appear. Thank you for the kind offer hopefully it never comes to that, but if it really comes to totalitarian rule I plan to fight even if I send my family away.
VITOCHAN@reddit
its weird man. Growing up, I've always had these scenarios playing out in my head (Red Dawn influence). Now the scenario is as close to reality as I've ever seen. I live about an hour and a half from the border (Ontario) and have bush routes and trails away from main roads that can get you safe passage into deep dense Canadian shield (fresh water, fishable lakes etc).
If you or any other Americans are willing to fight with us, I will die protecting your family like my own.
My hope in all of this, if it does go really south, there are enough generals or people in the military at specific levels who will stand up, fight back and over throw any active military operation
kingofthesofas@reddit
If America really does invade I'll be heading up there to fight with you. I have been backwoods hunting for many years and I can nail 1000 yard shots easy with my hunting rifle.
VITOCHAN@reddit
Love it! We have great hunters, shooters and trappers up here, but our access to anything other than hunting rifles and shotguns might be a limiting factor for some. So if things are going sideways, please also bring as many large mag automatics as possible lol.
kingofthesofas@reddit
I live in Texas so I got a whole mess of AR-15s and other guns between me and mine I'll bring.
blitzkregiel@reddit
please understand our elections have been under attack from outside forces for years, much like all of the EU’s. i hope you’re not the next victim. but you need to realize it can happen to you too.
the war democracy has been fighting doesn’t have trenches or artillery or front lines like we’re used to. it’s the first real war of the 21st century and we don’t yet know how to fight this invisible enemy. humanity will look back on this time at some point in the future and see it for what it was, but we do not have that perspective yet.
we’ve all been attacked. we just happened to fall first.
Initial-Pudding7892@reddit
it's easy for everyone to scream and call people stupid an ask why isnt anyone doing anything until it's their turn to have to do the thing, then theyre the one standing there going "wait no not me YOU should be the one taking the risk"
Canada has every right to be pissed ,but this "fuck all Americans" is a crock of bullshit
VITOCHAN@reddit
I understand, and I responded to another comment with an apology. I appreciate your understand of the frustrations, and it is highly possible we are not seeing your action due to media suppression. But I'll be honest here, we really don't see much action or standing up for whats going on from those that say they are against Trump.
We don't see or hear any of this. So we can only assume there is a lack of action, and there is just complacency.
Obvious-Cod-8100@reddit
What media are you consuming? Socials are crammed with weekly protests all over the US, for months now. Thousands and thousands...millions by now. An especially large march of angry veterans on DC recently. Town halls with thousands are being held by the handful of progressive politicians that give af. Before that angry town halls erupted all over the US with angry Americans yelling at their reps to do something. Tons of people have relentlessly wrote and called representatives. Boycotting. Strikes are being planned. If you aren't seeing how hard a lot of folks are trying then you aren't looking hard enough and you're being mighty judgemental without even a full perspective on the matter. Also, as others have mentioned, they are speed running fascism and are already cracking down hard on dissent down there and have ignored the courts since day one. There's also been a lot of solidarity marches throughout Canada and anti Trump Never 51 protests. Major media on both sides is very poor at following movements and protests. Many news outlets in Canada are US owned. One independent media source to follow is Meidas Touch.
VITOCHAN@reddit
to be honest, since November, i've stayed away from most socials, and have tried to keep to my hobbies (and the internet forums surrounding those). I don't have TV, don't use FB or Twitter, and only sub to a few select subreddits that are usually video game or outdoors related. I try to limit that to 5-10 minutes at day.
I do know the biggest newspaper in my town is American owned, but have never read it myself to see what opinions are expressed.
And you're right, I'm not really looking hard enough to find the good over there. Cutting out all media might not be the best, I just need to find the right sources. I just don't know where to start, as theres just too much bullshit out there.
I'm ok with being judgemental here, as the whole world has eyes on, also attempting to scrutinize and rationalize everything done there. You will be judged by your former peers, regardless of the full picture being presented. It might not be the right mentality, but unfortunately as I mentioned in another post here, this has been years in the making, and so any judgment comes not just from what is happening now, but the last 8 years, and having the opportunity to stop it, but failing to do so. I always go back to that old George Carlin skit about disdain about politics. Garbage in, Garbage out. This was the best you could do? I actually have seen one town hall clip a colleague showed me. They threw a veteran out of a meeting because he asked a question about benefits or something. Absolutely wild.
kingofthesofas@reddit
Yeah it doesn't get a lot of publicity but I cannot tell you how many people I know have lost family members or dear friends over this. Like parents and siblings forever estranged because they are MAGA assholes and we refused to let that shit fly. If I recall there is an entire subreddit devoted to it because it is so common.
2eepy2live@reddit
Look, I understand why yall are justifiably angry. I live 90 minutes from the Canadian border, yall are like brothers to us american citizens. However, I frankly would love to see what the hell we can do against a country that has the ability to track anyone they want on the planet at anytime, and has the ability to terminate anybody who disagrees with surgical precision.
Also, don't forget your government stepped in formation while letting our government run amok with the violation of many people's privacy rights (one of the biggest worries now, especially with their data collection programs), because it also justified your nation doing it. We were never an ally (especially after wiretapping the German PM), surprised nobody realized it until now.
Spuzzum007@reddit
First off, let me preface this by saying I’m Canadian and wildly upset with America. The rhetoric we are hearing from their elected government is abhorrent, and the crickets from most of the democrats is almost as bad.
But come on, you are acting exactly like they want you to. They would love a reason to escalate further, and your attitude does nothing to help the situation. Be smart, feed their ego, and let them eat each other alive. Elbows up, my friend.
VITOCHAN@reddit
Ive never been patriotic. My family immigrated when I was young, and growing up, always felt more ties to Europe than here. I've criticized Canada for years, always being braggadocios about how good we are despite the many flaws we have. However, recently, seeing how Canadians have come together, this patriotic sense of sovereignty, the fight and tenacity we have shown already. It's been quite moving. I fucking love this country. We've come together over something that isn't an Olympic Hockey game. It's going to be an interesting next few years, but at least we know cooler heads and keeping your head up always wins the game. Oh yea, and Elbows up too ! lol
hustlehustle@reddit
Trump Regime loyalists will attack Canada and these dolts will still be saying ‘wow this is so bad guys, me sorry :(‘ without doing a fucking real, tangible thing
rogerrectum@reddit
Hey y’all got the best snipers in the world… just sayin they’re not butler caliber but that was obviously as fake as the selection
Fleurr@reddit
Hope you feel better getting that out of your system.
Salt_Sir2599@reddit
SpiralToNowhere@reddit
I think most Canadians know that a large part of the population, even trump voters, don't want to start something with Canada. And most Canadians would rather stay friendly. But, American Congress is apparently unwilling or unable to do anything when trade deals and other agreements are broken, or when the president decides to shake down a country and cut off vital military aid, or when the president disregards the constitution, and the American people are clearly willing to hire for such a president even knowing he'll do these things. How can we count on any deal or understanding we have going forward if it's just up to one guy to disregard it, while everyone else stands around wringing hands, clutching pearls or even protesting loudly but to no effect?
Salt_Sir2599@reddit
Seriously. That’s like blaming Tiananmen Square protesters for not stopping China.
CreampieForMommie@reddit
Canada needs to be taught a lesson, and they’re going to learn the hard way. 🇺🇸
Mizchaos132@reddit
Dude Canada is in the right here, we're the ones that are dealing with Third Reich 2.0 and shaming our WW2 veterans.
Vock@reddit
I was honestly looking forward to camping in Michigan this summer. I don't think I'm going to be spending any money in the US for at least a decade because of this stupidity and the next wave that's going to happen. It hasn't even been 100 days yet, over 1500 days left.
He has people pushing to rip up your constitution, and half your population, the 2nd amendment toting half, is clapping like seals.
I get it's not you, but we're all feeling this pain now because of where the US is going, and no, I won't forget or forgive this shit, and I don't think a lot of us will, and will do what I can to keep my money out of the US.
Best of luck
Mizchaos132@reddit
I honestly don't expect you to forget or forgive. Hit them where it hurts, because they're not listening to the saner citizens here. I honestly am not sure if this will end without foreign intervention at this point. Shits fucked.
OppositeHome2970@reddit
Did you try thanking us?
FillipJRye@reddit
There wasn’t much of a fight from Canadians to protect their rights to bear arms. I’m sorry that both of our countries are shifting towards tyranny
Enough-Meaning-9905@reddit
Canada isn't shifting towards tyranny, nor have Canadians ever had the right to bear arms.
We're not like you
FillipJRye@reddit
Oh how will though stand on guard for your beloved Canada, dicks in the wind? Wake up and smell the truth, Canada will be absorbed into the US after this coming world war.
Enough-Meaning-9905@reddit
You can't even write in English mate.
Your senior national security officials shared classified war plans with a journalist they added to the group chat. They aren't even using SCIFs to review and share their military plans...
A lot of people will suffer, and a lot of people will die, but the US isn't winning this one.
Kick rocks
PoolQueasy7388@reddit
No way. There's tons of people out protesting this insanity every day. The media has been bought by billionaires do it's not televised much. And there's plenty of people that would have your backs if anything did happen.
edwigenightcups@reddit
I keep seeing people saying Americans are out protesting, you just don’t see it because billionaire-owned media, but hello? I don’t see much going on on socials at all and I know you guys would be broadcasting the shit out of any relevant social activism. I don’t really believe this narrative anymore.
SasquatchIsMyHomie@reddit
It’s true though? There have been multiple protests every week here.
edwigenightcups@reddit
Would you mind sharing some links, please?
SasquatchIsMyHomie@reddit
Want to join me for this Hands Off event? https://mobilize.us/s/FdjovN
edwigenightcups@reddit
Thanks. I was hoping I was just missing something, but I guess I’m not
kelsimus@reddit
What happened to “the revolution will not be televised”? /s
If you’ve done any sort of protesting you’d know that bringing your phone/posting the protest to social media is a big no-no.
Bringing your phone to a protest is a liability. Posting video/photos of protests endangers other members of the protest.
Just because you’re not seeing it doesn’t mean it’s not happening.
SasquatchIsMyHomie@reddit
https://actionnetwork.org/event_campaigns/teslatakedown
These guys have been out every week in front of the Tesla dealership downtown
BunNGunLee@reddit
I’ve so far seen them mostly constrained to city based subreddits. I know the one for my city has been having them coordinated weekly.
YellowPoppy33@reddit
This is going to blow your mind, but billionaires also own the social media platforms.
Sparrowbuck@reddit
Expand what you see on your socials.
Flimsy-Cookie7534@reddit
There is a whole subreddit 50501
byronik57@reddit
We're trying to figure out how to safely support Canada. Citizens are being disappeared off the street and sent to concentration camps. Many times, for completely fabricated reasons. Truly scary times for everyone
-Calm_Skin-@reddit
You are proving how compromised our media is. 50501
Enough-Meaning-9905@reddit
They are having "protests" of dozens or a few hundred people.
I haven't seen evidence of any hitting even the 1k mark, and I've been hunting for them.
Happy to be proven wrong though...
Albine2@reddit
You really need to check yourself! No one is invading stop drinking your moose head. Do yourself a favor and drop all the tariffs be a true trading partner and see how effective both of us can be together!
Enough-Meaning-9905@reddit
We will never comply.
Canada is not for sale.
Albine2@reddit
Not going to invade or purchase Canada, even if we wanted to not much you could do about it.
1- most of the population lives within 300 miles of the border.
2- we are your biggest trading partner.
3) your military is ranked towards the bottom, you have no nukes.
So there isn't much you could do about it.
Think tariff free and a dominant economic trading block, that's what Trump wants for the US and Canada.
Enough-Meaning-9905@reddit
There is plenty we can do about it.
The US has lost against every insurgency it has faced.
Albine2@reddit
You barely have a military, go back to eating back Bacon, watch hockey and drink moose head. Leave the economics to people with a brain
Enough-Meaning-9905@reddit
Bro, you can't even keep your formatting consistent for three points.
Go chew on your favorite crayon ;)
Albine2@reddit
Go drink some maple syrup!
Coro-NO-Ra@reddit
We aren't. We haven't been. I volunteered with the Democratic Party in a red state for more than a decade, as well as protesting and working on positive community projects.
At this point, I don't understand what you guys expect and I don't know why you aren't helping us.
The Republicans can get everything they want from their foreign buddies-- look at the NRA/Russia scandal, Russian intrusion into databases, Russian disinformation campaigns (Cambridge Analytica!). What are y'all doing to help the Americans you want to fix this? Judging us from afar and wagging your collective fingers?
There's only so much we, regular people, can do when Republicans can turn on an infinite money faucet from shadowy foreign and corporate donors. When they're being fed info from foreign intelligence agencies. When there has been a decades-long campaign to politicize education and create a right-wing media sphere.
Where the fuck are our "friends?"
Future_Union_965@reddit
This conflict has shown that Canada and Europe is not friends with America. We're are on our own. They refused to militarize despite US advisors recommending it. Because it's "too expensive", now trump is turning on them, and Russia is invading to conquer a sovereign country. Where are European and Canadian support. I thought they support democracies.so why aren't they supporting us? We'll have to solve it on our own but I will not trust Canada or Europe again.
Future_Union_965@reddit
Agreed. Where is Canadian money to spend on protests?
Duke_Jorgas@reddit
This, I get the frustration that everyone has. The reaction to Trump and Co is warranted, and a lot of it to the general public as well for not enough people voting. But the amount of people who act like the entire nation suddenly turned into nazis is extremely frustrating. Many Americans are doing what they can to protest. Everytime and everyday Trump or Musk do something, there is an uproar of response, but everywhere you see online some people act like every one of is in agreement. Nobody wants to invade Greenland, or Canada, or Panama, or Mexico. The only ones saying that are Trump and Vance.
RogueishSquirrel@reddit
This
Protests are continuously happening [just seldom ever televised,something I feel we keep having to convey until we're blue in the face], many people are repeatedly calling our Congressmen and women whom a good chunk are ducking those calls or letting it go to voice mail and are hiding from their constituents because they know people are angry and are speaking out. The ones who still have town meetings remove the most vocal IE- angry vets knowing their senator/governor is a fucking sellout,we have a small band of officials on our side calling this shitbout like Jasmine Crockett and you have Bernie and AOC literally touring the US holding rallies to oppose the oligarchs who are responsible for this shit administration [especially Musk's fanboys, one whom was said to have rigged the voting box in Winsconsin]
There have been multiple tesla protests [some of them literally firey]. So short of escalating to a higher level of violence, people are doing their damndest within constitutional rights [one could smugly argue 2A but not everyone has a gun and that would lead to Martial Law and trigger happy Magats appointing themselves as volunteer miltia to "own the libs" except this time, with needless bloodshed of the innocent.]
Evil_Mini_Cake@reddit
Canada is a good friend but a bad enemy if we get pushed too far. We don't start fights be we'll finish them.
Enough-Meaning-9905@reddit
The insurgency is going to be something brand new.
The US has never had to fight people that look and talk like them, that understand their culture and how they think.
Not to mention our military has trained alongside them for decades and knows all the capabilities, equipment and tactics.
All of it, right on their doorstep.
It's going to be a wild one
twinzerfan@reddit
America forgets who brutal the Canadians were in the World War…
This administration would be crushed…
I pray we never have to fight, but would rather fight for Canada than our traitorous government
twinzerfan@reddit
We are resisting. We are organizing. This takes time, unfortunately.
Our government is punishing people who speak out and our corrupt media is not helping.
I know it seems like we are being complicit, but there are many, many people here who are not having this BS
tootsymagootsy@reddit
So many of us are NOT complying and stand with you. Please know that. It probably doesn’t seem like it, because I know many of us in the states feel like we are standing alone against this, and if we can’t always see the others who are fighting alongside us, I can only imagine how hard it is to see that from across the border. We are fighting with everything we have, and our numbers grow every day.
You do not deserve what our country has done to you, and I, as well as many other Americans, are fighting for you and against our own government. You have every right to be furious and betrayed. Just know that many of us are fighting for you.
Enough-Meaning-9905@reddit
What are the majority doing?
I'm not speaking to you. It sounds like you're awake.
I'm speaking to all of those who forget that the majority of the Nazi's were people "just doing their job" and "needed a paycheck"
Fight the good fight. History will remember.
Elbows up!
N0_Cure@reddit
If you’re expecting some kind of armed engagement where they will storm us like the beaches of Normandy, that’s not going to happen. They don’t have to set a single foot on our soil. I’m more terrified of what would happen if they decide to employ digital warfare alongside economic warfare.
We rely almost entirely on US tech firms and much of our data is stored on US servers, let that sink in. If they really wanted to, they could decimate our country without any military involvement.
Enough-Meaning-9905@reddit
No, it's not. It would be a massive waste of time and resources.
How would I do it?
Lock the MoD out, then the rest of our government.
Then kill communication and electricity.
Let us soak for a month, allowing society to descend into chaos.
Eliminate government and military leadership.
Restore order using food.
SAINTnumberFIVE@reddit
I have to say this because it’s so unusual but there have been multiple protests in my sleepy suburban hometown. It’s not going to make international or even national news but I know the town’s history back to its founding in the 1800s and I don’t think there had ever been protests here before aside from the great supermarket worker strike, which was union mandated.
turfpat@reddit
Complying? Remaining silent? Here in rural WI people are lining the streets with NO Kings signs, swarming town halls, and court houses. There has been so many calling for Musk to be arrested if he steps foot in the state for the million dollar bribes he’s offering that our state Dem leader is also calling for it and our AG is actually considering it.(let us all pray AG Kaul actually has a pair and does it)
I have never seen more than a group of five people protesting something in 30 years of living in this state and now I cant go a day driving home from work without seeing groups standing outside town halls, on the overpasses, and outside major businesses. Aside from the trumpers people here are hardly complying and staying silent, and the trump signs and flags have quickly disappeared.
The rest of the world also needs to be patient with those of us here that are trying to stop this. Im not saying crazy damage hasnt been done and Im probably more pissed off than most but I mean come on lets be realistic with how fast an entire country’s sane populace can figure out how to deal with a rogue govt.
SkinnyGetLucky@reddit
This is a hard lesson that in geopolitics there no friends, only interests. Canada should have never been dependent on the United States to begin with.
TalentedHostility@reddit
Im an American- fuck off
Were Canadian soldiers 'dependent' on us for a war they didnt need to be involved in?
9/11 happened to US, and THEY SERVED FOR US.
Fuck you, I'd gladly trade off your types to russian to gain back Canadian allyship
SkinnyGetLucky@reddit
That was a DeGaule quote, and I’m Canadian. Not sure why you’re getting so angry. I was simply stating a fact that economically, Canada should have never been so dependent on the US. Now we get to see our economy get choke slammed because we decided it was more convenient to mostly trade with one partner. Hell, we even put tarifs on china at the urging on the US government, and now china is retaliating against us because they can. Great deal for us that was. Lastly I’ll refer you to PM carney’s speech where he said what everyone here is thinking: that the old relationship we had with you guys is over.
Whether this insanity ends tomorrow, in 4 years or never, we should never put ourselves in a position to be so economically tied to one place — that’s all I said.
TalentedHostility@reddit
With this being a qoute I will admit I fucked up. A narrative we are dealing with with Trumpers is the idea of other countries/ allies mooching on us.
I cannot believe we are in the position of having to vocally defend our closes ally- but here we are.
Its not a fight I'm dropping. Period.
Sorry about that, I didnt realize.
SkinnyGetLucky@reddit
It’s a shitty situation for sure. And for what it’s worth, still love you guys.
TalentedHostility@reddit
Hey there ARE us that definitely appreciate it. We just need to fuck some shit up to get things on track again. We are in no position to ask anything from you.
Just be on the look out for the good ones fighting the right fight- we are still out there even if media doesnt report it
4ureddit@reddit
Not complying. Why fight we are sitting this one out. They can burn this B!..h down for all I care and do a reset. I applaud all countries stand up to him. Trust and believe it’s not all. Just 52% of them
Tecumsehs_Revenge@reddit
Be a wild timeline, if this is when yall return the favor.
fiendish-gremlin@reddit
im so incredibly sorry to Canada, yall dont deserve this from our stupid fucking president. I stand with yall as an American who didn't vote for lunacy
SkillIcy3516@reddit
We are out protesting everyday. We are not our government . I am so not in favor of what is happening . We the American people want to continue to have Canadian friends. I used to live within walking distance of the Peace Bridge and spent my childhood on Crystal Beach
Chance_University_92@reddit
You terrif the US = good upstanding neighbor, US terrifs canada = how dare you?
r0b3rtab0ndar@reddit
Learn how to spell tariff correctly before your MAGA loving ass tries to make a moot point
Chance_University_92@reddit
r0b3rtab0ndar@reddit
grammar*
Coro-NO-Ra@reddit
I spent about a decade in the Democratic Party in a red state. I block-walked, worked call centers, voted in primaries, assisted with campaigns, donated... what the fuck am I supposed to do at this point? I literally do not know what you're expecting from me. I'm angry. I'm pissed off at the redhats. I already don't like how things are going, and actively worked FOR YEARS to make them better.
We also don't understand why you guys-- our supposed Anglosphere and European allies-- aren't, and haven't been, helping us. If we're the sane Americans you wanted as neighbors, why can the Republicans turn on the "infinite money fountain" and get all the help or information they need from Russian intelligence agencies and shadowy foreign donors... while you guys tut tut and tell us it's an American problem.
Have you grasped the implications of a "Canschluss" where all internal opposition has been suppressed?
I have zero faith in our "allies" at this point, because they seem content to treat this as a contained American problem and to judge from afar without actually doing anything.
Enough-Meaning-9905@reddit
You want us to come and overthrow your democratically elected government?
Your electorate voted for this. You're the ones that need to put your lives on the line for your freedoms. Since it seems to be the phrase of the day: "We didn't vote for this"
We aren't willing to fight and die for your freedoms when you're unwilling to do it yourselves.
We'll deal with it when our sovereignty or our allies are attacked, but we're not coming to undo the choices y'all made.
Coro-NO-Ra@reddit
Please indicate where I ever suggested that. Unless you're trying to twist a reasonable appeal to make it sound crazy.
Did you forget the last go-around, when Trump made a public appeal to Russia and they responded?
Why aren't your intelligence agencies researching and releasing compromising material on these people via news sources? Why aren't your journalistic outlets hunting up stories about prominent Republicans to influence public opinion? What about your PR firms? Why aren't you doing... anything?
Enough-Meaning-9905@reddit
We're busy preparing ourselves for what is coming. We understand what our role is.
History repeats.
Good luck.
Future_Union_965@reddit
Lol you must be a bot or Russian puppet. Clearly you don't care about your neighbors.
Enough-Meaning-9905@reddit
Why would we die for the rights of those who are unwilling to die for their own rights?
Are Canadian lives somehow worth less? Are Canadians somehow more invested in the rights and freedoms of US citizens than the citizens themselves?
We are not saviors.
We are willing to help those who help themselves.
Future_Union_965@reddit
People will, it's only been 3 months into Trump's presidency. Because YOU don't see anyone doing anything you assume no one is? I don't disagree with what you said..I have a problem with your assumptions. You act like people aren't doing anything, people are. It takes time to organize any response. This is something new that no one in the US has dealt with.
Enough-Meaning-9905@reddit
And yet there were mass protests the same day Erdoğan threw his political rival into jail...
It's been three months. Why isn't there a general strike? Why aren't there millions in the streets every day?
The country still operates nearly as normal.
Future_Union_965@reddit
Do you think there might be something why people can protest in turkey? It's a fucking 9 hour drive to the capital, there are no efficient trains. I would have to fly and where will I stay? Now imagine hundreds of thousands of people. Hundreds of thousands of people can show up in Istanbul. Because it's a closer distance to travel. Turkey is more urbanized then the US,.Canada is more urbanized then the US. The US is very rural compared to other countries. The difficulties to protest here are not economical but also logistical
Enough-Meaning-9905@reddit
Good excuse.
Protest where you are. If you're in a rural community, protest in your nearest city
adoradear@reddit
I’m sorry….you expect the rest of the world to come in and fix your country for you?
Wow. That’s some real American exceptionalism at work there.
Coro-NO-Ra@reddit
How long did you call yourselves our allies?
TheBunnyDemon@reddit
Please stop demanding Canadians solve our problems for us, it's embarrassing.
Coro-NO-Ra@reddit
Yeah? What are you doing to solve the problem?
Has it worked?
TheBunnyDemon@reddit
Lmao yeah you got me none of my solutions have worked. So now your turn, what solution did you find that works and why haven't you done it?
Coro-NO-Ra@reddit
I've spent more than a decade volunteering with the Democratic Party in a red state - block walking, manning call centers, working in local campaigns, voting in primaries. I've protested. I've called our elected representatives.
Guess what? None of that mattered. Not a fucking bit of it. Because... here we are.
We've had more than a decade of sustained informational warfare against the American people. Russia - and other malicious actors! - has very deliberately promoted the Republican Party and harmed Democrats through a variety of means: Cambridge Analytica, the Marina Butina / NRA scandal, hacking into both the Democratic and Republican parties (and only releasing information on the Democrats), etc.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44885633
I'm not suggesting that our supposed "friends" should engage in illegal behavior. What I don't understand is why they're doing nothing at all. That's what I'm saying under "why aren't they helping us?"
Why aren't they engaged in legal lobbying - where's the Canadian / Five Eyes version of AIPAC?
Why aren't Canadian news outlets investigating Republican campaign contributors - do they really think that stopped at Butina and the NRA?
Why aren't Canadian PR firms countering Republican misinformation?
Even if they can't turn people away from Trump, they might have success in getting redhats so angry that they stay home during midterms. This would at least slow down the Trump agenda, if not stop it altogether.
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My deepest fear is this: that Trump is going to give enough legal cover (and stochastic encouragement) that groups such as the Proud Boys, III%-ers, and other militia organizations begin targeting Democratic activists, union leaders, etc. Russian intelligence would be very helpful to them in this regard - even if US agencies wouldn't cooperate, the Russians could give these groups information such as people's addresses, typical movements, workplaces, contacts, and other relevant details.
At the same time, the vibe I get from Canada and our other "super good friends" is to solve our own shit. I now think that, if the situation I've described occurred, they would turn US asylum seekers away at the border, while refusing to turn over intel or materiel to left-aligned groups. Basically, that they would leave Democrats out in the cold while right-wing terror groups could count on support from Russia, Iran, etc.
Perihelion286@reddit
lol what? You’re actually blaming other countries for not interfering hard enough in your internal politics?
This has been the writing on the wall for literal years. Soapbox, ballot box…
Coro-NO-Ra@reddit
I would be all for removing foreign influence from our elections. There are lots of things we can all wish for.
Unfortunately, we live in the real, pragmatic world. We already have Middle Eastern and Russian groups influencing our elections. Or did you forget about Trump's public appeal to Russia?
Why aren't our friends helping us with this? Why didn't Canada help to shut that down?
FenionZeke@reddit
Unlike you. I , an American will defend your country, alongside my Canadian wife. You are our family. We , the people , did not vote for this, a small vocal minority voted for trump, but a quiet majority did not vote.
People were lied to and tricked by a multi billion dollar pr engine. And you are as well. By thinking that most Americans want this. We don't.
I am not going to convince you, but you should know that.
Elbows up
r0b3rtab0ndar@reddit
Then feel free (at any point at all) to take back your country. It takes 3.5% of the population to shut down any economy.
Band together. Work smart. Work hard. Topple them.
The passivity is truly astonishing.
FenionZeke@reddit
You have no idea what is truly going on. The media is not reporting the many protests happening
I am not your enemy. Attacking me won't fix anything.
r0b3rtab0ndar@reddit
I know you’re not my enemy. I’m also not going to tolerate excuses from Americans who claim “they didn’t have time” or “the world should be helping.”
We have helped you. We have called a spade a spade. We have done our best to stand beside you over 150+ years despite America’s frequent attempts to overthrow governments globally, start imperialistic conflicts, etc.
You’ve had your congress and house run investigation after investigation. You watched special counsels get hired and fail to accomplish anything of significance.
The writing has been on the wall.
There is no excuse anymore.
FenionZeke@reddit
What you want frankly, is irrelevant. What we have to do is mobilize a movement of bodies that will require more people to be involved in order to be effective, than is in the entire country of canada. millions upon millions will have to be involved to make up even a fraction of the 350millionish people here.
Elderly, disabled , homeless, enslaved/incarcerated, all are rendered ineffectual by the administration, and their recent activities removes their resources, so they have to rely on family members who are know so swamped with that issue and work they are kept exhausted by design
minorities being pulled over for a speeding ticket being forced to give their social security numbers if they aren't showing as a white man , fear of deportation, fear of losing loved ones fear , fear.
That's what we're fighting. Some of us get out in the streets. I'm not much good at much else these days than being the angry old guy at protests. But many are fighting the above. And far, far more.
ABoutDeSouffle@reddit
European here. Let's work together and help each other!
Future_Union_965@reddit
Thank you ❤️, one of the few sane comments.
IagoEliHarmony@reddit (OP)
I honestly don't blame you. Not sure how we get out of this
Enough-Meaning-9905@reddit
You refuse to obey. You refuse to comply. You stand up for those who are being trampled on for exercising their rights, or for existing while brown.
IagoEliHarmony@reddit (OP)
Yep - THIS. but also, we need folks in power to support us. Dems are in complete disarray, again.
Future_Union_965@reddit
No we don't. All governments have implict or explicit support from the people. Even Russia. The point is to organize .you got neighbors with kids. Offer to watch them free of charge. They have a fence that needs put up? You do it. Have BBQ with neighbors. Invite people to dinner. Make connections and communities.
MC_White_Thunder@reddit
So long as you keep looking to the democrats to save you, you're doomed. You don't have two years until the midterms, shit will be completely and irreversibly fucked by then.
You need to organize mass strikes, do riots that make 2020 look like nothing.
abyss_of_mediocrity@reddit
Dems are a weak, weak scapegoat. That party is broken. If you want to rebuild the country, you’ll have to do it without them/ from the ground up.
Enough-Meaning-9905@reddit
The people are the power. Your government only has control because you choose to deligate your power to them.
You can take it back.
PointCPA@reddit
You have got to stop making this about race.
It’s about class. I fear the left will only learn the same failure of lessons we learned in the past
Enough-Meaning-9905@reddit
They aren't starting with throwing white people into labour camps.
I'm white as snow, but I'm not stupid.
It is a massive class issue. I agree, but in a country that's going full-on racist facism our brown people are the canary in the coal mine.
They're coming after anyone different, and the color of one's skin is a very visible indicator of 'different' for them to start with. What we see them doing to brown people today will we what they'll be doing to the rest of us soon.
PointCPA@reddit
Jesus Christ
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025/03/28/russian-scientist-at-harvard-medical-school-detained-by-us-border-agents-a88521
She was literally detained today. You’re so fucking stupid and it just gives MAGAs more power
Honestly I don’t even know why I bother with people like yourself
zigzog9@reddit
I am trying but also I am trying to think about when helping immigrants targeted the most. I reflect back on those who helped Anne Frank and the Danish Resistance fighters. Please know that even if you don’t always see visible resistance it does not mean there isn’t resistance happening but sometimes things need to be done in ways that are practical and protect everyone involved.
After_Competition_87@reddit
Don't be such a baby, nobody was voting for him to shit on our allies. They voted for him cuz they were scared of the border and going woke lol. No Americans hate Canadians, Trump's the only one talking shit about Canada. Europe on the other hand is a different story, but still no need to shit on allies that have always been there. Don't hate the whole country because they elected a loud mouth shit brain sandwich
Enough-Meaning-9905@reddit
We don't hate you. We're dissapointed in you. You call yourselves the "land of the free and the home of the brave". Where is that bravery while your freedoms are being trampled on?
After_Competition_87@reddit
Doesn't affect 90% of the population on the day to day, everyone still has to work as hard as ever to pay bills, it's a vicious cycle. Wish that guy had better aim
Enough-Meaning-9905@reddit
You understand that's the exact same as Nazi Germany, right?
After_Competition_87@reddit
Everything is Nazi Germany when people disagree. Lol there are protests all over the US since the election just doesn't get covered. Now, if they fuck with social security we might just have a full scale revolt
Enough-Meaning-9905@reddit
You're either deluded or a bot.
There has been a coup. The US is now a totalitarian state, and is already sending people to concentration camps
After_Competition_87@reddit
Concentration camps lol
Professional-You5818@reddit
You’re incorrect on one point. Many magats could not have pointed out Canada on a map 3 months ago and are now completely convinced we are the enemy. Cars getting keyed b/c of Canadian plates, “go back to your own country” etc Now some Americans do hate Canadians. For absolutely no reason other than being told to.
After_Competition_87@reddit
Lol I'm an American and have never heard of any Canadian bullying, not saying it's not happening there's a lot of dumb people but it's nowhere near what the media makes it seem-per usual
Professional-You5818@reddit
I live near 2 border towns with Michigan. It’s happening. Aggressive comments (a good friend of mine was there with his wife and kids wearing a Canadian hoodie and had awful things shouted to their faces) Some Canadians were even refused service in a restaurant And we’re only 6 weeks into this mess.
Propaganda works well on the minds of some people.
Scary times, only 3 months ago I was always welcomed like a brother in Michigan, now I’m nervous to cross the border in a vehicle with Canadian plates
After_Competition_87@reddit
While Im sure it could happen I just can't see Michiganders shouting at Canadians for wearing a hoodie. Sounds like larping. Nobody's refusing service at a restaurant in Michigan lol. I'm going to unfortunately put this one down as a sympathy story that never happened. I live in Wisconsin and I've never in my entire life heard of anyone say anything negative about Canadians other than they keep buying up place in Florida. If that actually did happen to them, that's terrible but I seriously doubt it.
Professional-You5818@reddit
You’ll believe when you see it for yourself I guess.
But there is no denying the absolute chill in the relationship. Many Canadians are now anxious about travelling to the US. Others won’t out of principle because of threats to our sovereignty directly from the president’s mouth.
Things have changed, trust has been broken. Probably for at least a generation.
After_Competition_87@reddit
https://www.sootoday.com/local-news/are-cars-being-keyed-in-sault-mich-parking-lots-10347426
Lots of these keying stories are BS trying to devide us further. Use your own brain, they want to drive the divide.
Taj0maru@reddit
Only the 33% that voted him in should be hated? That's still a lot.
After_Competition_87@reddit
I'd say half of the 33% were hoping for this outcome, the others just didn't want to keep going to the left, which is funny because that's when things are usually best. People really got messed up during Covid with judgement and deep state conspiracies online, funny thing is they voted for the Russian puppet while they are scared of a trans person
firadink@reddit
The 90 million registered voters that chose to stay home are also to blame. Choosing to not vote is still making a choice.
bouguereaus@reddit
Yep.
cheongyanggochu-vibe@reddit
That's not actually true, I have heard way too many people (IRL, not just online) parroting his rhetoric about Canada. They didn't think this a couple months ago, but they sure as shit do now.
xmo113@reddit
So true, I just had a Facebook incident, I know I should just get off there for my sanity. I posted something that were my thoughts. My sister responded in kind. Then this asshat who was supposed to be a friend called her a slut! Wtf? Gloves came off.
After_Competition_87@reddit
Yeah get off social media, it's a toxic cesspool all around it's a major issue clouding most people's judgement. You only see extremes on there because cowards get squirrelly behind a phone they'd never say that in person
bouguereaus@reddit
“The President of the United States is the only one talking shit about one of our of our oldest allies and trade partners.”
This is not the own that you think it is.
After_Competition_87@reddit
He literally talks shit about everyone, he's a POS narcissist fascist
Violence_0f_Action@reddit
Does that mean you’re finally going to spend on a military, or nah?
Enough-Meaning-9905@reddit
Do you have any understanding of why we haven't? The US government encouraged us, and the rest of NATO, to spend less, to be dependent, to focus on providing support to the US in ways other than with force.
Do you just blindly believe everything you are told?
Violence_0f_Action@reddit
That’s an absolutely insane excuse and one not based on any reality.
babystepsbackwards@reddit
If Canada hits its NATO target spending this year with a nuclear program on Canadian soil and none of our spending going to America’s bloated Military Industrial Complex, will American leadership see that as a good thing because we’ve strengthened our defences or will they see that as a threat?
The implication with these defence spending targets has always been that the other countries buy things from America’s MIC, which supports the American economy at everyone else’s expense. No one before Trump pushed the issue because of exactly what we’re seeing now - spending hikes everywhere else and America bleeding global power.
Violence_0f_Action@reddit
You really don’t get it do you? You are part of a military alliance where you have made certain commitments that are there to benefit the collective alliances strength. You are currently (and never have) lived up to that commitment, and your excuse is your neighbor is spending more than their commitment, so you don’t have to. Spending billions of dollars to build your own nuclear weapons does nothing to benefit the collective defense of NATO. Nukes don’t defend airspace. Nukes don’t defend shipping lanes. Nukes don’t guarantee freedom of navigation.
Enough-Meaning-9905@reddit
Your comments make it so clear that you have never served, and that you have no concept of what NATO is.
Take some time to educate yourself on who's ships are protecting your aircraft carriers right now.
Violence_0f_Action@reddit
We could make a stronger navy out of what is currently in port at Mayport than the entire RCN. Your fleet consists of like a dozen or so warships from the Cold War era. The few fighters in your Air Force are also Cold War era reflects, and the majority of those were obsolete in the late 90s. It’s a fucking joke
Enough-Meaning-9905@reddit
We are not alone.
Violence_0f_Action@reddit
As far as NATO members failing to meet their commitments, correct- you are not alone
Enough-Meaning-9905@reddit
The US has lost against every insurgency it has faced.
Canada will be no different.
Violence_0f_Action@reddit
The US is not invading Canada. Take a Xanax or something and calm down.
Enough-Meaning-9905@reddit
Ah, yes, to drug ones self.
Consumerism at its finest.
Violence_0f_Action@reddit
I am better prepped than the CAF, that’s for sure.
Enough-Meaning-9905@reddit
Good for you bud.
Good luck
babystepsbackwards@reddit
Every time we’ve been called on for help, militarily or otherwise, Canada has shown up fast and done our part. The spending targets were targets, not requirements. Pretending the U.S. is hard done by because the people who’ve bailed them out repeatedly didn’t buy more guns is ridiculous.
Violence_0f_Action@reddit
Bailed us out, lmfao. Sending a token amount of troops to Afghanistan that relied on American airpower and American Vic’s to operate was not only the least you could do, but a requirement in the same defense alliance you don’t pay your fair share into.
babystepsbackwards@reddit
You think what you want, bud. People aren’t obliged to agree with you. You want to be ungrateful for the help, that’s a testament to your character, nothing to do with us.
Enough-Meaning-9905@reddit
It's clear that you won't understand until it hurts you directly, and I can assure you that is coming.
Good luck.
Violence_0f_Action@reddit
Thanks for the well wishes. Same to you
DisastrousTwist6298@reddit
Huh?
Pristine_Ad3764@reddit
Can you provide sources for this statement? If not, stop excusing freeloading.
babystepsbackwards@reddit
If you need the benefits to America of Pax Americana spelled out to you at this point, your education system failed you.
-Kool-AidMan-@reddit
USA is facist country, why would it be part of NATO
Within a month USA will leave NATO
Enough-Meaning-9905@reddit
I'm not sure about that...
I've pondered that a lot lately, and strategically and politically it makes more sense to stay in for now, until after the first annexation. It complicates Article 5 response, and when allies don't fight alongside the US it gives them more ammo for their political theater.
If we don't help invade i.e. Greenland and fight against the invasion instead it's easier to paint us as 'the terrorists'
firadink@reddit
As if it’s about that or anything other than your dogshit presidents expansionist ideals. Gimme a break
Salt_Sir2599@reddit
I don’t know, I share your rage( as a US citizen). I think you’re adding to the problem by not realizing that the country has been hijacked. Some of us absolutely hate this and are doing everything we can to stop it, but we are powerless also. To say what you said upon so many generations is honestly cuckoo. You are not part of the solution.
fanclave@reddit
100%.
This is a worldwide problem.
I watched in horror as the Canadian trucker protests went down. Watched Canadians flying confederate flags… wtf?
This is the internet. Do not trust what you read and any “Canadian hates Americans” post is easily just another Putin puppet pushing fighting across western countries.
r0b3rtab0ndar@reddit
No - I shouldn’t have to be a part of the solution to YOUR problem.
It’s YOUR country. It’s YOUR and your fellow CITIZENS’ responsibility to uphold and safeguard your own DEMOCRACY.
And as someone else mentioned, you all had four fucking years to do something. You all (mostly) did nothing.
As a Canadian, living in Canada, with friends of all stripes, I can tell you that the bridge is burned for at least a generation.
Salt_Sir2599@reddit
No. All you’re doing is making it worse. You’re handing the fascist what they want. As someone who has protested and voted against everything about this for decades, all you’re doing is helping the division. There are so many people here who are powerless and don’t want any of this. Grow the fuck up. Everyone needs a bogeyman, you’re playing into the bullshit.
theXYZT@reddit
Imagine if a Russian citizen said this to a Ukrainian citizen. You'll see how fucking misguided your comment is.
MiniJunkie@reddit
I agreed above but one thing I’ll note is: this is what Trump wants to see. Division and disharmony. That’s why I constantly keep in mind this is largely a him problem (MAGA is a problem too but he’s the cult leader).
MiniJunkie@reddit
I agree with you. Some of my fellow Canadians are like “we will hate you FOREVER NOW”. And I disagree with that, personally. I also recognize that while I’d love to see protests on the scale of Serbia or Turkey, it’s…scarier…to do them in the States lately.
Salt_Sir2599@reddit
For the record, I’m really scared right now! I’m just a blue-collar dude and I have three kids, I don’t know how to get out of this country and I don’t know how to change it.
hostilebuthospitable@reddit
Good, no fucking mercy for oppressors. Sorry our idiots voted for this shit.😐
vladdracula8@reddit
Your people have done nothing but talk shit about Americans for decades. Your country has been using 300% tariffs on us for years. We tried being your ally. You took advantage of us and now you're mad that we're stopping you.
zelda1095@reddit
What specifically was the 300% tarif on and when was that paid?
vladdracula8@reddit
Milk for one. Many other agricultural products as well. And they've been paid many times.
adoradear@reddit
That’s literally never happened. The dairy tarrif is only met once a certain quota of dairy is imported, which has never happened because we don’t want your shitty antibiotic and hormone laden dairy thank you very much, so there’s never enough demand to exceed the quota.
zelda1095@reddit
That's after a quota has been met. Tell me which years the quota has been met.
zelda1095@reddit
I'll save you the bother. They've never been met and the high tariff rates on milk have never been paid. Get out of your echo chamber.
Enough-Meaning-9905@reddit
You're right. We have extremely high import tariffs on diary, and we exclude a lot of US dairy from Canada.
Why?
We do it because the US government allows the use of hormones that cause cancer because it increases milk production. We don't allow that here, both because we believe in protecting ourselves from harmful hormones and because it makes the milk taste like shit.
Since we have universal healthcare, preventing cancer also saves us money.
Also, just to be clear, we are the ones who pay the tariff on dairy imported from the US. Just like US citizens are the ones who pay all of the tariffs that Donald is imposing.
rwebell@reddit
This is at standard Trump answer. Read a book, educate yourself. You should be embarrassed at repeating that nonsense,
vladdracula8@reddit
Silence. Everything I said is true.
-Kool-AidMan-@reddit
you deleted what you said because your a fucking moron
rogerrectum@reddit
Can’t really blame all of us when Edoplh and Russia obviously manipulated the living shit out of that election.
OppositeHome2970@reddit
But i gotta wonder did Americans say thank you for all those years of support and sacrifice
DDar@reddit
At least half of us didn’t want this, bruv. ;-;
Enough-Meaning-9905@reddit
Great. That doesn't change that this is where we are.
Do something about it...
cableknitprop@reddit
Suddenly I know how people feel when they say “but we didn’t vote for him/her/them/it”. Like nope, I didn’t but I have to take ownership of my country’s actions.
ReallyCoolPotamus@reddit
As an American I feel the same way about those in my country celebrating this. I will not forget what’s happening here. I’m utterly disappointed.
randomrealitycheck@reddit
Indeed. What a complete waste. I can see no way America has gained anything based on these attacks.
agent_flounder@reddit
It seems like it wasn't intended to benefit the US primarily.
jaking2017@reddit
People need to stop looking at Trump as helping America gain more power, and look at him as helping literally Russia gain more power. Almost every move he makes directly benefits Russia, it’s undeniable he’s literally selling out America to Russia.
Think-Lavishness-686@reddit
More broadly, their actions benefit the global capitalist class; when people talk about "oligarchs" as with the people that control the Russian government, they're just talking about the capitalist class, the people who are paid purely for owning chunks of industry that other people work to make productive.
It's reductionist to view this as purely a "selling out to Russia" string of actions, because while it is partly that, it is in the shared interests of the rich between both the US and Russia in consolidating power away from democratic structures and into undemocratic private structures that they are total rulers of.
This is not some international paper war, this is global class warfare heightening as our economic organization reaches the apex of its instability and unsustainability.
ABadlyDrawnCoke@reddit
It's not even the capitalist class, it's the neo-aristocracy. Look at how Amazon intends to supplant traditional markets by directing every transaction through their service, for example. It is literally a regression into feudalism, and the class conflict is now between capitalists and aristocrats, with workers as marginalized observers.
cr1t_3rr@reddit
Yo... Lol Amazon... They had 7 state-of-the-art distribution centers here in Québec, strategically placed around the province... And all of them built in the very recent years. Huge investments.
Had, I said. And why do they no longer do, you ask?
Here's why. Because their employees and warehouse staff in the Laval distribution center, just over on the north shore of Montréal (which is an island, for those who didn't know ☺️), did something so innacceptably awful and preposterous that these Laval bastards singlehandedly caused mr Branson to pull the plug on all 7 of them, firing 7000 employees by way of a short "cc:all" email —HOURS and HOURS after they had notified press and thus had already been made public thus had already been announced all over the media before the sun had even risen that day 🤣🤣🤣— and had finished dismantling the whole fucking 7 of em within a month and a half.
What could said "bastards" (being sarcastic, of course!) possibly have done over in Laval for that to happen, you might wonder?
They unionized. They were also the very first to do so, and also the only ones in the world who dared going through with it.
Now you know how Amazon values their employees and sees their workforce as a whole.
Cannon fodder. 7000 people left with nothing, and a whole 7million of their customers going from beloved now-nextday-delivery and right back to itll-get-there-when-it-gets-there-lolfuckyoupayuskkbyye, just to make an example of them and send a very clear message to any who dare try the same shit anywhere else:
Dont. Or there will be hell to pay. Cuz they much rather forfeit hundreds of millions of dollars they invested in an provincial-wide dist. network, than letting their expendable underpaid cattle have better conditions and salaries.
"Fuck that, fuck THEM, and fuck a few little 100mili's worth of pocket change too loll" said mr Branson.
Preposterous.
beaucoup_dinky_dau@reddit
yes and actively trying to destabilize our relations with our closest allies as well as drag our own economy down, it is not the behavior of someone acting in good faith.
jaking2017@reddit
Make Canada the enemy so they won’t sell us oil so we’ll have no choice but to buy Russian oil.
MoarSocks@reddit
Dude, seriously? We are winning so much right now. America finally looks strong on the world stage. We can’t let limp-dick libs keep owning us and capitalizing soft power to REAL strength! 👊🏻🔥🇺🇸
/s in case it’s needed 🤦♂️😔
RoamingBerto@reddit
This is not real strength, not by a long shot. I don't see the people of China fearing the power of trump and his master Putin definitely isn't shaking in his boots over anything that fat fuck is doing. Losing our allies and partnering with Putin is not the answer.
MoarSocks@reddit
Missed the /s ?
Professional-You5818@reddit
/s was needed otherwise there was no way to tell it wasn’t a cult member statement
FenionZeke@reddit
Right? I was all pitchforks till the /s. It sounded so authentic.
haystackneedle1@reddit
Seriously
ProgrammerAvailable6@reddit
Doesn’t help when left leaning publications in the States titter and happily plan for Canada’s left leaning base to vote in elections.
First, fuck if you think they’d actually let us vote.
Second, fuck when they’re all “the tariffs are why they’re mad”. We’re not mad. We’re fucking pissed that the US government is rattling around about annexing is against our will (read - international war) and the average American is ignoring the fact that your government is doing so.
Auskat1985@reddit
Man you were winding me up. That /s almost needs to go at the start.
Odd_Method_2979@reddit
🤣🤣🤣
_-Burninat0r-_@reddit
It's quite amazing how America alienated all of its allies in 2.5 months while buddying up to an evil dictator waging a genocidal war against Ukraine.
I wonder what the history books will write about this absolutely ridiculous U-turn. I don't think any country/empire in history has ever done this?
I bet American history books will say verrrry different things from other western history books in 50-100 years. Good thing we have the Internet, so future history books will likely be digital and include videos from the time period on every subject.
That's kinda wild, imagine if we could read about WW2 and have everything on video like we do with footage from Ukraine. Watching operation Barbarossa happen in real time. Or reading about the golden age of piracy and having a video of a tavern or something lol.
I'm not sure whether to admire or pity the humans of the future yet. Depends on how much we destroy humanity in this century.
sparqq@reddit
It will be turn that sets the scene for WW3
ucusty123@reddit
MoarBootlicking should be this guys name
blitzkregiel@reddit
missed the /s, eh?
Vast_Statistician706@reddit
Using words with more then 2 syllables we knew you couldn’t be MAGA.
justlurking628@reddit
The word "capitulated" gave it away, anytime I use words like that the cultists mock me for being an "intellectual."
sh1906@reddit
Moron
ScottyFalcon@reddit
can you read? that guy was being sarcastic, as evidenced by the "/s"
lurkerdaIV@reddit
He's on the other team
jorcon74@reddit
So much winning! 😂😂🤡
Initial-Training-466@reddit
Also the media with the help of the Deep State keeps deflecting from the real threat which is H. Biden’s laptop. Finally we have a regime that recognizes that America’s true allies are Russia and North Korea.
AdditionalAmoeba6358@reddit
Oh but Trump came out after the call and said it was a “very very good call”
So he lied again… what a shocker
babystepsbackwards@reddit
Trump continues to prove he can’t stand up to Canadian leadership in any functional way.
Mthatcherisa10@reddit
How does Trump come back from Carney's " it's over!"?
melympia@reddit
What, only "very very good", not "the greatest ever"? Must have been bad, then.
Frequent-Control-954@reddit
It’s about getting mills developed for the American south. As there’s plenty of wood planted but not enough mills. So Canada can also develop its own refinement and not send it to Houston. It’s not nearly as dramatic as they make it seem.
randomrealitycheck@reddit
Develop mills in the South? Exactly how do you see these tariffs helping mills to come into existence? Typically, people open up a business to service demand. If the US is in a protracted recession there will be next to no demand - and investors are loathe to finance any project during economic downturns. Certainly, there are exceptions but milling lumber isn't one of them.
Frequent-Control-954@reddit
So you invest in mills to process excess supply which you will now do as you won’t get undercut by Canadian producers. Getting finance for such arrangements happens in recessions, depressions and really under any economic condition. As long as the economic condition of the particular marketplace in question is sound. Corporate bonds get issued all the time for capital development in recessions. As the capital takes well years to develop and recessions end. Finance knows this.
randomrealitycheck@reddit
Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't know you were an expert. Have you ever written a business plan? Ever pitched an angel investor? Ever pitched an angel investor and walked away with a check? How about institutional investors? Ever successfully pitched them?
And I can assure you, having done all of the above, it's pretty easy to establish, you have no idea what you're talking about.
Finance knows, my ass.
Resident_Baseball689@reddit
i think he meant the constant "51st state" statements and the whole "Canada only works as a state" things that Trump is saying
UnsnugHero@reddit
Its just Trump and most people did not vote for him
bouguereaus@reddit
It benefits Trump and his financial backers, at the expense of the American people.
randomrealitycheck@reddit
I see no way that these actions benefit anyone, including the people you mentioned. There is no upside, only chaos.
blitzkregiel@reddit
if you know you’re going to steer the boat into the iceberg you can take out insurance on it first.
if someone paid you to steer the boat into the iceberg you get paid upfront AND get to keep the insurance money.
ddoyen@reddit
Bingo. People need to realize that there is a wealth class in this country that is recession proof. And when we do have a recession, they will take advantage of the clearance sale and line their fucking pockets even more.
Traditional-Handle83@reddit
Except one problem. Starting wars with countries in NATO won't help them retain any money. Like everything going on makes zero sense no matter what way you attempt to spin it. It makes zero sense on an economic scale, no sense in a war scale, no sense in a Kingship scale, like there is nothing they are doing that makes any sort of long term nor short term sense. It's all utter chaos that causes destruction to the things that give them power. They lose their population, they aren't a king anymore as there's no peasants anymore. If the dollar and economy crashes, they also lose all their money as well since it's tied up in stocks and other non physical assets. If they make enemies of every advanced 1st world country on the planet, there's no trade to happen and all them would be enemies indefinitely while the king is in power so there's no way to go that route either.
bouguereaus@reddit
Exactly. Their version of “buying the dip.”
Also: the increasing propaganda against working people through “they don’t have real jobs” or “you’re entitled” language at the very top. This is not a partisan comment regarding government spending or workers unions (though I do have my own beliefs), but it does beg the question: who benefits from making workers feel that they are expendable and unimportant?
PresidentEnronMusk@reddit
Distraction from their actual target
Resident_Narwhal_474@reddit
Fuck those loyalist douchebags.
kmb62@reddit
The definition of FAFO. No we do not want to be the 51st state. No the US is not going to be great again. And never will be. The majority of the population voted this in and it was laid clear his plans. You can’t ask for sympathy after the fact when you were WARNED. Highest voter turnout ever, and the support continues, or else you all are just oblivious that the world is laughing at your country. There is no coming back from this. Threatening multiple countries sovereignty, borders, economy.
Bridges have been burnt and they will not be rebuilt.
Remember no one puts an American flag patch on their backpack while travelling. It’s the Canadian flag. And as a proud Canadian. The relationship is over and will never be what it was.
We are offended,disrespected, pissed off, and disgusted by the ‘Fertilization President’, the democrats and dumbfounded how no one’s doing anything but then again not sure there’s anything anyone can do
All the best ✌️
Firecrackled@reddit
This is so stupid. Canada would have flipped far right too if this whole thing hadn’t have happened. Y’all have your noses turned up at us while failing to understand the situation in America and stating things that are blatantly untrue. Your far right PM can still win in 5 weeks, this rightward shift is global. Hopefully Trump embarrassing himself on a global stage will stop that but who knows.
kmb62@reddit
I would still take Canadas far right than Trump. There is no comparison. He is a convicted felon
Future_Union_965@reddit
Why doesn't Canada meet it's NATO obligations? Not a very good ally for the past years.
kmb62@reddit
There are 8 countries that haven’t meet the 2% So just add those 8 countries to the list of countries America is attacking? Cool cool cool
Future_Union_965@reddit
I don't support Trump's attacks on our supposed allies but it's ridiculous that these countries are allowed to not follow through on their commitments.
DietMTNDew8and88@reddit
I wish I could emigrate to Canada. But I don't have the skills
normaltraveldude@reddit
Yawn. When you actually start meeting your Nato obligations, let me know.
Coro-NO-Ra@reddit
Is burning all our allies going to "Make America Great," Republicans?
throwawayaway388@reddit
To be frank, it's not even just the Republicans. Some people on the left-centre have been making jokes about how if you annex us we can become Democrats and how that will help them. There some still normalising it and trying to convince us that it'd somehow be in our best interest. It's like people can't take no for an answer.
Coro-NO-Ra@reddit
It's amazing to me that people will see the current situation - and the probable risk level - and still find a way to argue that Democrats must be perfect.
My sister in Christ, these people are going to forcibly Canschluss you like something out of Fallout and you seem to be equally perturbed about Democrats making jokes in poor taste.
At this point a pragmatist might be looking for allies where they can find them instead of looking for reasons to alienate people who are broadly on their side.
throwawayaway388@reddit
What the fuck are you even saying?
The assumptions and projections are crazy.
Coro-NO-Ra@reddit
I said exactly what I said.
Republicans are foaming at the mouth to literally kick your teeth in and you're complaining about Democrats - your allies here - making some distasteful jokes.
Get your fucking priorities together.
No_Lavishness5122@reddit
I got curious and profiled the throwaway because they also responded rudely in a different sub I was trying to learn more about. I was sincere and stated I was from the US wanting to discuss with real people what they think and are feeling in Greenland.
Throwaway also thinks all Americans can’t imagine a world where everyone doesn’t wanna be like us. Which just isn’t true, at least half of us understands that.
There are people here protesting and everything to try and stop this before the real violence and crash ensues
throwawayaway388@reddit
You're not an ally.
Coro-NO-Ra@reddit
Lol. Great move, really proving my point here!
Duke_Jorgas@reddit
Most of these "jokes" I've seen are not wishing anything. Ymtheyxre more just postulating what could happen. I've seen people joke about US states joining Canada, or total partition. Nobody is getting upset about that.
Coro-NO-Ra@reddit
I've seen people suggesting ideas such as trading Alberta for the PNW... which I would interpret more as bleak humor than a serious proposal.
bouguereaus@reddit
Sadly American jingoism is not reserved for the Republican Party.
BasicEnchilada@reddit
I firmly believe two things
You can have my Clearly Candian soda water when you pry it from my cold dead hands.
I think the political class in the US knows that the deck is about to be reshuffled pretty soon (1-5 years), just look at how everyone is angling. I think that's why the US gov has reentered its land grabbing era and because the president knows that, he's totally comfortable cracking jokes about going after Greenland and Canada, those 2 countries alone are some of the most strategically important pieces of land on the planet for the US, and the administration probably feels like if the US doesn't directly control that land then it leaves it open for China or Russia to move in either militarily or with their own set of puppets.
IMHO Trump is going about it all wrong, you don't keep friends by bullying them, there's better ways of going about it that would be mutually beneficial for all parties involved.
Drewnarr@reddit
Trump dun fucked up so hard that liberals are buying guns.
DoPeY28CA@reddit
You realize A lot of us already owned them right?
Drewnarr@reddit
Yes. I've had mine for a few years now.
thickener@reddit
This
Drewnarr@reddit
:)
Interesting-Bar980@reddit
Facts
Ok-Sample-458@reddit
A bit over dramatic, don't you think?
rkelleyj@reddit
Define “over”.
Over for the next 4yrs? Then we can hug and make up?
Babzibaum@reddit
MOST Americans are deeply offended by the president. Remember this before judging them all.
tritiatedpear@reddit
More action less talk. I don’t see any outrage in the streets and I hear too much shit talk about Canada in general. As a Canadian, I and many of my countrymen will not forget this disrespect, bridges have been burned.
fiendish-gremlin@reddit
there's been hundreds of hundreds of huge protests in America already, people are pissed. however brainwashed magats dont give a fuck and there is unfortunately way too many of them.
tritiatedpear@reddit
That’s my point, I don’t doubt your sincerity, but the majority of Americans are either rooting for the destruction of my country or are indifferent to it. The worst are the democrats who have these deluded fantasies that if we are annexed we will all fall in line and we will vote blue and pledge allegiance to your flag as opposed to the more probable scenario where we will launch generations long insurgency that will unleash bloodshed and mayhem that will only end when every square centimeter of our territory is restored.
Look at what’s happening in turkey. That’s the scale of protests you need. Anything else is just noise. But like I said the disrespect Canada is being subjected to is unacceptable.
Future_Union_965@reddit
Canada and Turkey are.more urbanized than the US. How do you expect hundreds of thousands of people to protest.
LiveReplicant@reddit
Apathy - it was how the average German citizen went on about their lives until it was too late, and they crossed the point of no return, into war and ruin. Sociologists have studied pre WW2 german attitudes and causes of the crossing of red flags, and apparently, this was the main cause. You guys might just lose it all, and apathy has hold of most of the decent folk left in the US.
fiendish-gremlin@reddit
I completely agree that it is unacceptable the disrespect and shit Canada is taking, and I know there is in no world a singular sorry will ever cut the depth of what America is doing, but I still am sorry and just want to say I stand with Canada even thoguh im American. im thoroughly disgusted by this administration and I am doing what I can do that's within my power to boycott this administration (boycotting companies that are complicit, looking to join protests, spread word, document information that will likely get purged or rewritten due to this administration's whims). I know there are others like me, and it is endlessly infuriating to see the majority of Americans stick their heads in the sand or cheer along our deluded shit of a president.
tritiatedpear@reddit
Ps scroll down on this thread if you want to see the never ending disrespect I’m talking about
tritiatedpear@reddit
I’m still very mad. But I appreciate you
normaltraveldude@reddit
Or the U.S. is just tired of Canada not meeting its obligations to Nato, the trade imbalance, and Canada's weak defense of the Lincoln Sea to Davis Straight shipping route.
tritiatedpear@reddit
My friends died in Afghanistan fighting your pointless war and others came back broken. Funny how you didn’t mind so much about nato contributions then. NATO is about combat readiness not about talking points made up by your coward draft dodging president. Our trade imbalance comes from the energy you need and we sell at a discount. Take that out of the equation and the trade imbalance is reversed. Your arguments are idiotic and your country is full of cowards who try to bully weaker nations as opposed to fight against peers.
Trainwreck141@reddit
There have been thousands of protests nationwide and they aren’t stopping. There’s definitely a lot of people now getting organized and involved in politics at all levels like I’ve never seen before here.
But I understand what you mean. If you look at our national news, you see none of this being covered. You just see the fascist doom cycle.
Also, I agree that simply doing protests at your local state capitol or city hall won’t do much. We really do need to shut this country down; but everything about how the US is constructed makes this nearly impossible to coordinate.
We’re too big, we have sparse public transit, our lives are precarious due to our shitty healthcare and depressed wages.
VaginalSpelunker@reddit
Not enough to show up and vote, or to do anything when he's speedrunning holocaust 2.0
Fuck the lot of em. They're all complicit in this shit they've unleashed on the world.
Babzibaum@reddit
There is a dark side to what they've been doing. It's been ongoing since Reagan. Divide the country and you can topple it. "United we stand, divided we fall." This admin is scattershot bedlam on every front. Now, they're making sure that NOBODY can get organized to oppose it. How can it be done when everything is on ele tronic devices that hold info forever. Nothing is or can be hidden.
MiniJunkie@reddit
Lots of Canadians will give a grouchy response to that. Personally though, I get it. There are still many millions of good people in America, and I have many close friends there.
tritiatedpear@reddit
Scroll up. Unfortunately there are more pieces of shit cheering on fascism in your name
luvinbc@reddit
America is like that friend who only calls when they want/need something.
normaltraveldude@reddit
But Canada has benefited greatly from the U.S. Facts are facts.
LiveReplicant@reddit
And same with the other way round
huelorxx@reddit
Our current prime minister is more interested in fighting with the US than trying to solve the tariffs. Trump wants the liberals to win because their actions fit perfectly into Trump's plan.
Tall_Newspaper_6723@reddit
Canadians, please bear in mind that we're starting to see people who sufficiently irritate the current administration be disappeared. They DO NOT CARE about largely performative activism...unless it displeases them. We aren't going to shame them into suddenly not being ghouls.
Our citizenry lives under the looming shadow of the most well-funded military in existence on their own home turf, and ultimately it is they who will decide if enough is enough. They can and will be used against us, of that I am certain. It's just a question of when.
There's a lot of us that are afraid and ultimately powerless.
I apologize our nonsense is starting to cross borders. Your country is beautiful and did nothing to deserve any of this.
Talzon70@reddit
I'm sure many Germans were afraid of the Gestapo and SS, but the Allies bombed their cities just the same.
If you don't hold your own government accountable, we won't be shedding tears for you when your friends and family die as collateral damage in the insurgency war.
In the fight against fascism, there are only 3 choices. Fight for freedom now, fight for freedom later against a stronger enemy, or lose your freedom.
Future_Union_965@reddit
Lmao, what a cold heartless take..
Talzon70@reddit
I'm not trying to be heartless, I'm trying to encourage people to stop virtue signalling on Reddit and actually do something about the problem before it is too late.
Future_Union_965@reddit
Many are busy. I'm busy. Full time work and full time school. I'm virtual signalling. If I wanted to protest I would have to drive hours. When I have so much homework due, projects are due. Cant just say "sorry I didn't get the project done, I was protesting". Life doesn't work like that.
Talzon70@reddit
Yeah the Germans were busy too, that's my whole point. The bombs fell on their houses too when their government went to war with the world.
Sunnyjim333@reddit
We (the US) have lost a good friend.
Darkest_Rahl@reddit
Your friends are now Russia and North Korea. You've lost all your others.
Future_Union_965@reddit
Not like we were friends with you if this is what you guys show.
Darkest_Rahl@reddit
"Boy, you guys sure aren't taking our threats to annex you light heartedly enough"
Go f yourself
Sunnyjim333@reddit
With friends like these, who needs enemas?
tacorama11@reddit
We didn't lose them, we threw them away. Putin is our daddy now.
Sad_Analyst_5209@reddit
If a friend abandons you that quickly they are not a good friend. They think the US needs them, we have been taking what was offered, we can do without it.
OppositeHome2970@reddit
As a Canadian: don't worry, we will find better allies.
Violence_0f_Action@reddit
They only like us for our money
Historical_Shirt4352@reddit
If you like having money, you’re going to hate the impact of Canadian tariffs.
Enough-Meaning-9905@reddit
It's Donald's tariffs the US should care about.
US citizens pay US tariffs.
Canadian citizens pay Canadian tariffs.
If you're surprised by this, go look it up.
As per usual, Donald has been lying to y'all
Historical_Shirt4352@reddit
The US pays US-imposed tariffs on foreign goods coming into the country. US Citizens experience inflation with foreign imports when tariffs are placed on incoming foreign goods. This is done to encourage consumers to purchase US-owned goods, to discourage reliance on other countries. The prices do not go down, foreign import prices go up.
Violence_0f_Action@reddit
Lmfao, I’ll be done
rectanguloid666@reddit
Oh yeah, just burry your head in the sand and engage in magical thinking, that’ll fucking help.
As an American, I’m sick and fucking tired of people like you lying to our collective faces about this shit. You don’t have any iota of a singular idea what the hell you’re talking about, at all. You are SO ignorant that reality BENDS around the density of your hubris.
Historical_Shirt4352@reddit
Me too, we have emergency savings. But I still care about the majority of the American working class
Mysterious_Fish_8962@reddit
Maybe you will, maybe you won't. The US needs Canada for its natural resources, Canada needs the US for its industries, since we were good friends we decided to integrate our economies. Remove energy, there is a trade surplus in favor of the US, Canada imports more than it exports and contributes significantly to the US economy.
JFlash7@reddit
Could just as easily say that we only like them for oil, gas, electricity and cars.
Having stable trade partnerships is good for everyone involved. No matter who has a higher GDP.
Enough-Meaning-9905@reddit
Lumber, water, fertilizer, uranium, steel, aluminum...
The list keeps going.
The US doesn't need anything from us though, right?
Sunnyjim333@reddit
This is the answer:
Poutine is a Canadian dish consisting of french fries topped with cheese curds and gravy, a popular comfort food, particularly in Quebec.
We all love this.
JFlash7@reddit
Can’t trust a mf who doesn’t like poutine.
Enough-Meaning-9905@reddit
You realize we've been funding a full 25% of your debt, right?
We give the US money because you're in debt. In debt to us
-Kool-AidMan-@reddit
I can assure you no one likes you personally
vladdracula8@reddit
So why the fuck should we care about Canada? If they don't give a shit about us why should we care about them?
Hunamagah@reddit
Dude they did give a shit about us. All the trading, all the deals we had didn’t just benefit them, they also benefitted us too. Same goes with Europe. We funded a lot of things and helped them out, and we got lower prices and a lot of flexibility and Allie’s in return. We’re destroying the prosperity we had with our best friend in a dick measuring contest. One that is blatantly meant to lower the power of our country. If you can’t see that what this current administration is to our allies doing is damaging the United States… well you’re the reason there are bad stereotypes about us.
vladdracula8@reddit
Tell me how 300% tariffs benefit us.
Hunamagah@reddit
You talking about the dairy one? The one that doesn’t kick in until we reach a certain threshold that we have never reached and were unlikely to ever reach?
We have no problem producing dairy. They may. They’re protecting their farmers. It did little to nothing to us. Meanwhile they were out buying all our goods and equipment, and contributing to tourism here.
Look I’m all for bringing manufacturing back to the US. But throwing around talks of annexation and starting trade wars is dumb. There are other ways to do it. Now all we’ve done is damage our economy and international standing. We were great on our own but our allies across the world allowed us to truly be the singular superpower. Now we’ve got our allies considering turning to China of all places, and we’ve gained nothing from it.
-Kool-AidMan-@reddit
you have no understanding of what you are saying
the dairy tariffs is based on a quota, please educate yourself
this is all Donald Trumps own dealings
Naive_Calligrapher61@reddit
i am assuming you are still going on about the dairy bs that trump was spewing.
we have a 300% dairy tariff for 2 simple factors. 1: if we allowed us dairy the canadian dairy market would get taken over because there are a lot more dairy farmers in the us than in canada. Just like there are a lot more people in the US and canada. We put that 300% so canadian farmers can compete in the market space. You guys dont pay for that tariff, if a canadian wants to buy cheese from wisconsin, it is more money for us to do so. To finalize this point, us putting a 300% tariff does not effect your industry because our industries are not intertwined like the auto and natural mineral etc…
The 2 point is because for the most part, your dairy standards are much lower than in Canada. So a lot of grocery stores do not sell US milk because the amount of hormones and shit thats in it
fiendish-gremlin@reddit
because they are our allies and we trade resources? not only that our closest ally in terms of location.
-Kool-AidMan-@reddit
you threatened to invade their country out of fucking no where
are you mentally ill?
Enough-Meaning-9905@reddit
Friends, plural. No one can trust the US anymore, and even if we could we're busy trying to figure out how to stop the world from crashing down
PurpleCableNetworker@reddit
Well, I guess my idea of going to Niagara Falls isn’t happening in the next 4 years…
spinningcolours@reddit
The nicer side of Niagara is the Canadian side. The US side is pretty bad.
PurpleCableNetworker@reddit
The Canadian side is the side I want to visit.
I really want to head back there - but between our governments hating each-other (the people still love each-other), and the US customs agents searching and confiscating phones of people they want to - I don’t think I’ll be visiting Canada during this presidency. Bummer. It’s beautiful over there.
MiniJunkie@reddit
FWIW I think Canadians are still super friendly to tourists, including Americans (without MAGA hats). The only concern (and I get it) is like you said, the border agents. Although from what I’ve heard if you are just an average vacationer there’s still zero problem.
Immortal-one@reddit
My boss is in Vancouver right now and I’m heading to the Canadian Rockies in the summer. She didn’t have any problems…but we’ll see what the atmosphere is like in June.
MiniJunkie@reddit
Yeah fair. I suspect it still won’t be too bad.
HanumanjiShivaRam81@reddit
It’s going to be a weird summer for international relations, probably the next 3-5 years I expect the unexpected.
thickener@reddit
Yeah like the World Cup for example? LOLLLLOLOL
CrimsonTightwad@reddit
Trump and Putin are mortal men doomed to die. It is not over, it is a temporary blip. History is the long game.
thickener@reddit
Way too many people going along with it, trust isn’t coming back for a couple generations.
Frequent-Control-954@reddit
It seems totally overblown. For the Canadian prime minister to say this when they can sell wood to Asia. Canada doesn’t need the US either. You know so what Canada develops refinement for its oil and America develops mills for its wood. What is the problem here. Everyone needs to get some perspective on this drama.
Immortal-one@reddit
Can you have that ready by April 2? We’ll hold off needing energy and construction until you get it up and running.
Spadrick@reddit
Cool. Look at a tree map for some perspective bud.
denewoman@reddit
The people who value that friendship still matter.
Canada's PM has to re-set the relationship with the White House and sane people know why this has to happen.
yamiyam@reddit
Whether or not Carney and Trump get along won’t change the mindset of most people I don’t think. Trump treated allies like shit in his first term, even with his worst tendencies reined in somewhat. Then americans re-elected him but with the crazy dialled up even further and no sane handlers anymore. The reputation is gone. It will take decades to rebuild based on stability and mutual respect and will take more than some “not like the others” pleading not to be lumped in with the guy who won the popular vote.
Immortal-one@reddit
Religious nut jobs reelected trump 2.0. But you’re right in that there aren’t enough normies in the US to matter anymore.
denewoman@reddit
My comment has been interpreted like I believe Canada is at fault.
Not in the least.
I want us everyday people - citizens to know we matter and that the sane people reference is to those of us who are completely revolted by Trump attacking Canada.
koresample@reddit
As a Canadian, we don't negotiate with thugs and bullies. I honestly don't see things ever going back now and the same with most Canadians.
Until the American population rises up and boots this administration out, there is no going back.
Trump is only part of the problem, the rest of his Administration and Cabinet all are moving in lockstep.
For me and my fellow Canadians, we're looking South now the way Poland did in WW2.
Many of us have family and friends in the US, and unless they have gone full MAGA, we won't turn our backs on them. We will, however, vigorously defend our country.
denewoman@reddit
Re-set from the 51st crap!
That does not mean Canada is the problem or is going to kiss up to Trump.
Carney impresses the hell out of me. But he has to re-set the relationship with the White House so the annexation desire is poof!
PS I am Canadian and the Liberals are getting my vote.
Moofypoops@reddit
Why would the Canadian PM rest this relationship ship. They didn't start this fucking bullshit. Everything was fine before Yam Tits screwed everything up.
denewoman@reddit
Totally agree - Canada didn't start this.
But Canada needs to re-set from the "51st state" crap.
luv2fly781@reddit
There is no friendship currently. They need to make a lot of reparations before even close.
denewoman@reddit
Who is "they?"
acadburn2@reddit
Canada is also showing how not a friend of the US it was ..... They were the kind of friend who's there when you're paying the beer tab and trashes you the moment you're not.
Many of the Canadian people are great! But there politics are just as messed up as ours. The amount of brainwashed people in both countries is staggering.
They act outraged and have a very limited freedom of choice when it comes to groceries (for 1 example), and they'll punish the poorest of their own to prove it :( it's sad.
They are trying to 1 up this as well by hurting good Americans... Threatening to just cut off power... Forget that since 2013 US power exports are almost equal to what Canada sends the US..... We send more during Canada's winters and they send more power to the US down in summer months, everyone benefits, but shite let's both cut off our nose...
Or the fact that when the Red River floods Canada built a damn and backed water up into the US, when the US tried to do the same... They sued us ...
Before Trump took office, Canada already taxed eggs, milk, and other products from the US into Canada with over 100% tariffs.... How was that fair if this isn't?
And COVID may have been developed with the CC.P in Winnipeg (for all the conspiracy theorists still on here) woooo
nakmuay18@reddit
So you think for the last 40 years, no one in America knew any thing about this massive exploitation that Canada was doing to America. No one in either party ever made it a main policy point, no media were pushing it, no one.
Then Trump says "Canada is ripping us off", and there's this massive and undisputed proof of Canada throwing its weight around and bullying the US. No one else new anything about it, then poof, it becomes so obvious.
Even if you think back to the first tariffs threats, that had nothing to do with this "explotation", it was about Fentanyl. When that got blown up, the narrative switched.
I don't expect you to change any opinions and I don't want to argue, but when the next narrative switch come up at least try to consider from an outside perspective.
acadburn2@reddit
Just like gun violence.... No one cares until everyone dose.... The numbers didn't change .. just people finally paid attention.
nakmuay18@reddit
Gun violence has been discussed for decades, mass incarseration, drug use, the environment. You can go back and look at Bush, Clinton and Reagan stances on all of those issues. Find me a presidential opinion anywhere that Canada was siphoning money from the US before Trump started it a few months ago.
He negotiated a deal last time he was in power theat he said was fair, he made no mention of it in his campaign, now its one of the biggest issues that effects the US? You dont see anything there that makes you think you might need to look into it deeper?
acadburn2@reddit
Some have been stronger written than others but it has been an always thing, that we need fair trade, and the words of unfair agreements have been warned for a long time.
Only recent opposite to this seemed to be Clinton...
https://www.epi(dot)org/publication/webfeatures_viewpoints_tradetestimony/
Obama's trade representative what he said when Obama's term was over 2017 https://obamawhitehouse.archives(dot(gov/administration/cabinet/exit-memos/united-states-trade-representative
Fed reserve of st Louis 2019 https://www.stlouisfed(dot)org/on-the-economy/2019/january/behind-us-trade-deficit
Senit finance committee 1998 https://www.epi(dot)org/publication/trade-deficits-consequences-policy-implications/
nakmuay18@reddit
For a start, your links are broken.
Secondly, fair trade negotiations have always happened. They have to happen, it's trade and it's always been mutual. Trade deficits are managed and NAFTA was was created to manage those negotiations.
No one however said Canada was exploiting the US for $200B, no one ever said that the US subsidized Canada and it wouldn't exist if it wasn't ripping off Canada and they were going to use economic leverage to take it over. It never happed, it's always been about negotiating the terms of trade for mutual benifit.
You don't see any problem with this suddenly becoming one of the biggest issue in the US, out of nowhere. Big enough to burn all good will and systemic integration built over decades? It went from not being discussed or potentially on the table 4 months ago, to open hostility between governments and the citizens of the country.
acadburn2@reddit
Sorry about the broken links some subs won't allow links so for like .com I'd creat a (dot) so thed still go through.
Yes fair trade negotiations have always happened, I gave account over account of warnings that this isn't the best deal.
I think time will tell if the US is subsidizing Canada. As of now there $ to USD has touched the 20 year low (farthest back I could see)
Libertarians have been yelling Abt the deficit for years, republicans have when Democrats are in power... It's not a totally new thing. Government spending must be cut, jobs must be brought back to the US or our economy will continue to crumble.
Trade VS China has been a talk for a long time. Trump just showed how connected we are
Canada's been buying oil from Russia... For cheep. Selling the US Canada's oil good friend...
https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/video/shows/commodities/2025/01/23/canada-imported-us200m-of-russian-oil-in-2024-despite-sanctions-crea/
nakmuay18@reddit
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/how-russian-oil-is-reaching-the-u-s-market-through-a-loophole-in-the-embargo And the US has been doing the same thing!
That fact of the matter is, this switched from terms negotiation to absolute carnage out of nowhere. Canada has always been the US's closest partner and that relationship has been irreconcilable destroyed. I'm not saying you should switch political allegiance, and you seem pretty reasonable so I don't want to fight. All I'm saying is question why this anti-canada shift came out of nowhere, and how did this shift from biggest trading partner to biggest exploiter happen in three months?
firadink@reddit
Man still with this same bullshit about Canadian tariffs. Canada had tariffs on those products after a certain quota was hit and that quota was never even hit. Stop believing everything Trump says cause 90% of what he says is lies.
Your president is trying to economically destroy our country and your mental gymnastics are making Canada out to be the bad guy because we’re fighting back and protecting our country.
All of this in the trade agreement was negotiated by Trump..
MiniJunkie@reddit
The dairy quota misrepresentation drives me fuckin nuts. Constantly gets quoted and it’s constantly wrong, because places like Fox News perpetuate disinformation and tell “half the story”.
Terrh@reddit
They act outraged and have a very limited freedom of choice when it comes to groceries (for 1 example), and they'll punish the poorest of their own to prove it :( it's sad.
what? We have huge freedom for groceries.
What dam? Do you mean the red river floodway?
Because that's not a dam and actually reduces flooding on the US side by allowing the water to flow into lake winnipeg faster and at a lower level.
No. There was 0 tariffs until a certain amount was imported, and that amount is more or less equal to the total amount Canada produces. Then high tariffs come into play to prevent the local industry from getting wiped out. But for the most part, there's none. And it's bidirectional, Canada has the same limit. We adhere to the USMCA.
molotavcocktail@reddit
I am curious abt the tarrifs. Is it Trump greed or have they been tarrifing us? If it isn't greed then what is it... Border control?
acadburn2@reddit
Do you believe it's greed as in Trump's going to make money from this? Doubt it.
Hist 1st stink was Abt border control and keeping drugs outta the US, his 2nd one was about unfair trade practiced by Canada
Terrh@reddit
And both of those things were straight up lies.
Healthy_Parfait_7146@reddit
Might want to read up on those dairy tariffs you are talking about. Their are TRQs involved and guess what the US has never gone over them and therefore never paid them. Stop getting your information from social media. You realize the administration is threatening their sovereignty right?
acadburn2@reddit
Do you have a link I will actually read it?
Threatening there sovereignty, naaa Canada did that to themselves white debt.... As the US is doing as well. If Canada is a strong Sovern nation they'll have no problem without the US.
Further Trump did... Maybe still even wants Canada as part of the US ... Funny thing if I don't like someone I usually don't let them in my house. How this was taken as offensive I don't understand. If you don't want to come in my house a simple no thank you works!
Mizchaos132@reddit
Just wanted to let you know the egg/milk tariffs only apply after a certain amount of goods are traded; until that amount is reached no tariffs are applied.
jar1967@reddit
This will take at least a generation to fix.
PresentationShot9188@reddit
My cousins live in Canada and are refusing to contact any of us over here. They said we're going to war soon and it's all our faults.
throwawayaway388@reddit
And what did you say?
PresentationShot9188@reddit
That we don't really have a say and even if we all voted, it wouldn't matter what our votes really were because we're really not in control and American democracy is an illusion to keep us all enslaved.
throwawayaway388@reddit
Well, at least you're trying to do everything you can...
PresentationShot9188@reddit
There's nothing we can do. I'm positive our government has hidden every technological leap the military has made since the 90s. If we all stood up we will be wiped out. I'm positive our government is working to kill off most of our population.
throwawayaway388@reddit
You can try everything possible across all fronts and avenues, but I guess that's too much to ask.
cheongyanggochu-vibe@reddit
There have been more than 2,000 protests since January 20th, and Indivisible is doing weekly calls and sending out packets to everyone. People are blowing up Congressional switchboards, the ACLU, Democracy Docket and Democracy Forward are just a few of the places filing so many lawsuits it makes your head spin.
And it has done nothing to stop the march of our country into the US. Now Trump signed an EO against lawyers. So...
The only thing that's left is the thing that'll get me banned on reddit to say.
throwawayaway388@reddit
You clearly missed the point. The other commenter is saying that it doesn't matter if people voted, and guess what? Yeah, it does matter. Unbelievable people are still making excuses for those who can't get off their lazy ass and go vote.
cheongyanggochu-vibe@reddit
Ah yes I did misunderstand, I thought you were saying we could be doing more to stop what is actively happening right now. My bad.
MountainGal72@reddit
Don’t apologize. The comment was unclear.
I read and interpreted it the same way you did. Interesting, perhaps, that the same thoughts are in our heads, even though we are barred from articulating them…
PresentationShot9188@reddit
There's protests and stuff. That's all happening and being hidden by the media. The step you all want is for us to overthrow our government. It's the step that's needed. Alot of innocent people are going to die soon.
molotavcocktail@reddit
I feel like protesting but what does it accomplish? Our politicians yawn and are poised to use law enforcement on us to subdue or eliminate us. We have the largest military in the world. What can we do that makes a difference?
Enough-Meaning-9905@reddit
You realize that the military and law enforcement are also made up of US citizens too. They aren't some random thing separate from you, they are your neighbors and family and friends.
You can make them choose between the people and the oligarchy
molotavcocktail@reddit
Yes and they seem poised to carry out the will of the state. I'm frustrated but I'm not a martyr but maybe I should be. They'll put you behind bars for life for the most basic crimes against property.
I was active during occupy and it seemed to result in not much.
So I guess Im cynical.
kolaida@reddit
What do you mean- “even if you all voted?” Did some of you not vote in the election?
PresentationShot9188@reddit
Like 40% of voters didn't even show up. Who knows how true that is though. I don't trust my government or the media to tell me the truth. Shit all of this could just be scripted and votes might not even matter. They could just have us vote so that we THINK we are in control so that we don't overthrow the government and free ourselves.
kolaida@reddit
I mean your family. Did you and your family vote or not? It’s a simple question.
PresentationShot9188@reddit
I did. The rest of my family is maga. I voted third party because I didn't like kamala or trump. Which makes me to blame I guess.
PresentationShot9188@reddit
My vote made me not liked by my maga parents and grandparents. And my liberal friends stopped talking to me because I voted against kamala. ITS SUPER WEIRD IN AMERICA RIGHT NOW, NOBODY LIKES EACH OTHER AND WERE ALL DIVIDED.
kolaida@reddit
Well, it’s not really a mystery why your Canadian family is refusing to speak to all of you. This doomerisn isn’t helping. Y’all are part of the problem. Go to a protest or try to advocate for better policies. I have been able to get through a couple MAGA people this way, by advocating and explaining policy positions. Giving up and making excuses doesn’t help. (And to be clear to anyone scrolling I did vote for Harris and have never voted for the maniac in charge now). Saying that we have no power and believing that will make us powerless. We do have power and can still advocate for change.
PresentationShot9188@reddit
I mean. That's how america is right now. The only way that anyone sees you in a positive light or even neutral is if you voted kamala. Anyone who didn't vote kamala seems to be told they are the problem. The problem is kamala kinda sucked. And her campaigning was terrible. Trump sucked. Kamala sucked. I didn't want either of those twisted people to be my president. The way we are ruled is so wrong.
PresentationShot9188@reddit
In my city they have a website specifically showing you what political stance all the shops and stuff have. People are actively vandalizing these places and boycotting them. On all sides. It's so rediculous.
Infinite-Anything-55@reddit
Which places have been vandalized?
Why is boycotting businesses ridiculous
In a capitalistic state, voting with your wallet is how you can directly effect change. Why should I give money to a business that wants the people I care about to not exist anymore?
kolaida@reddit
All I am hearing are a lot of excuses. You can say she sucked all you want. She and Biden weren’t my first choices either time. But the only other choice was Trump. It was a no brainer each time. And now you are on here still making excuses, making it sound like your Canadian cousins aren’t talking to you simply because you’re American. You can say all the things about how the system should change and I’d likely agree. I’m extremely progressive so you are wasting your time trying to explain things I already know. I may be incredibly progressive but I’m also pragmatic.
I am American and live in Ohio so I know exactly what it’s like. The comments you are making are why so many Canadians are understandably irritated with us and it’s extremely frustrating for me. To just give up and be like “we need a new system. Guess I’ll live under fascism until a new one pops up” is wild. You have power and you can still do something. Might be a protest, might be talking to friends or family that are MAGA and trying to explain policy positions. Don’t just give up because things aren’t perfect. Perfection is an enemy to progress.
Emotional_Camp2983@reddit
Your cousin is correct. You and your family are partially at fault. If I were your cousin, I'd never talk to you again.
firadink@reddit
90 million registered voters stayed home
kolaida@reddit
I am aware.
firadink@reddit
lol it’s up to you (the citizens) to do something about it. Nobody is gonna do it for you. I mean look at Canada, conservatives were gonna win here in a blowout but now after all this shit liberals are leading and most likely to win. Even might win a majority because the people here are doing something about it and not wanting to go down the same path as the USA.
Sunbeamsoffglass@reddit
That’s crazy. Do they understand how the US election process works?
so_not@reddit
Yes. Yes we do. I'm Canadian and we are responding to the very serious threats being made regarding the sovereignty of our country. I've genuinely had conversations with my husband about what we would do if war breaks out.
Trump and his cronies have called us the 51st state, called our Prime Minister a governor, put tarrifs in place to destroy our economy, questioned the legality of our borders, and started spreading lies about how we are flooding your country with fentanyl and are overrun by Mexican cartels. Fentanyl was recently classified as a weapon of mass destruction. We are watching all of this unfold and can clearly see the parallels between this behaviour and Russia's behaviour before it invaded Ukraine, as well as the US's behaviour before it invaded Iraq.
Justin Trudeau was very clear about the fact that Trump is dead serious about annexing us. We are absolutely taking this threat seriously. Honestly, from the sound of it, we are more informed about the situation than you are.
And yes, we know that millions of you voted for this monster and still support him now. And that the rest of you who didn't vote for him or didn't vote at all are sitting by doing nothing while my country is being threatened with invasion.
PresentationShot9188@reddit
The only way to fix this is to overthrow the American government. Which isn't going to happen. When you guys come down. Please just make sure my wife and kids die painlessly. We're so sorry for what our "leader" is doing.
so_not@reddit
Dude I appreciate some of the kind sentiment here but Jesus Christ. YOUR country is threatening OUR country. You are the ones insinuating that you will cross the border and kill us. Stop trying to paint yourself as the victim in all of this. As if crazy bloodthirsty Canadians are banging on the door at night calling for sacrifice. That's exactly the kind of dehumanizing rhetoric that will ramp up this situation and help you all justify this to yourselves while you come up here and kill me and my family in cold blood. Stop it.
Enough-Meaning-9905@reddit
We're very well educated on the US election process, as well as our own and that of other democracies.
Do you understand that we don't care? Democracy doesn't begin and end at voting, and clear moves have already been made to ensure that democracy is dead in the US.
You're living in an authoritarian country now. The coup has been executed.
What we also understand is how complacent US citizens have been in the face of this while we watch people in places like Germany and Serbia come out in the millions to fight for their rights.
All while you watch your Netflix and order your Doordash as your president strips you of your rights and threatens your allies.
We see, and we understand far better than you can imagine.
We're preparing for invasion up here, understanding that you are already being told that we are to blame, that soon we will be called terrorists for resisting the demands of the convicted felon and rapist that was voted into the highest office of your country.
We see. We understand. We prepare.
IagoEliHarmony@reddit (OP)
As I said up thread - I don't blame you. I'm just really really sad and frankly angry as hell that so many ppl in our country chose this path, either by vote or by non-vote.
WinterInSomalia@reddit
Oh please.
Littleshuswap@reddit
We sure do and only 40% of your lazy asses even bothered to go out and vote.
PresentationShot9188@reddit
Just coming in to say that america was always supposed to fall. The people in power have been clearly planning it. No sane person would do what our administration is doing. It's clear that we've been infiltrated and they are turning the entire planet against us. I can only assume it's to make sure nobody comes to help Americans when the genocide starts or enslavement.
Martzillagoesboom@reddit
Well we understand that 30% had a brainrot and a majority of able voter skipped that day
Billitosan@reddit
Canadian here, I'm sorry to hear that. I won't set foot in the US for probably another decade, immigration has always been dickheads especially since 9/11 and your country has to really reconcile its attitude germany style IMO.
I don't blame people who weren't voters but the action needed to address the situation is obvious, silence is compliance. I only started reading this sub because of the current situation. I bought my first go bag to pack today and went to my parents to tell them they should do the same. I'm from a group that would be targeted by the US if I set foot in the wrong place.
I used to love going to the US for vacations but I have to focus on what's going on in my own country now for a long time. But take it from me, my perception of the US will not go back to what it was in my lifetime. Please fix things before it's too late for everyone.
PresentationShot9188@reddit
Me and my family have started preparing to just be executed when you guys invade us. We aren't going to fight people that were supposed to be our friends. We've accepted our fate.
DisastrousTwist6298@reddit
My god this place (Reddit) is so ridiculous lately
Darkest_Rahl@reddit
Ya, cause we didn't just watch the same thing happen with Russia and Ukraine, right?
DisastrousTwist6298@reddit
If you read his original comment he makes it clear he is an American. Looks like he deleted it now(?) but if you don't believe me read his comment history. He is an American, not Canadian.
Let's unpack this for a moment.
Okay, this is very improbable but not impossible. Even with Trump as ridiculous as he is, he would have next to no support for this among his military and even a significant amount of his base.
Calling this seriously far fetched is an understatement. I'm not trying to diminish the bravery or fighting spirit of Canadians but they are simply not going to invade the US.
Is executing civilians something Canadians are known for?
What does this even mean? Does he read the bible and have prayers with them as they ponder Canadian occupiers war crimes against him lol.
The more you think about this you see each thought is more preposterous than the last. Even if he was Canadian this whole statement would still be preposterous.
Seriously people need to log off for a bit and touch grass.
syncronicity1@reddit
Fuck that. There is no way a large portion of Canadians will roll over and accept subjugation. Agent Krasnov and his band of traitorous bootlickers with IQs totaling that of a potato will never conquer us.
Lessons learned from resistance to previous US invading forces such as in Afghanistan and Iraq will be applied here. IEDs would prove to be just as lethal here for any invaders. Ukrainian style drones that are decimating ruzzian forces can do the same here to any invader.
If he decimates our auto industry, it should be retooled to produce armaments of war, quickly. Can we win? No, they have a 10x times the population and 1000x more of everything war related. But look at how Ukraine has stopped what was the worlds second largest army for 3 years and lets implement a similar strategy.
Comfortable_Law3685@reddit
Ukraine was in a civil war and had NATO advisors and trainers for years and years before the Russian invasion and was flooded with weapons from NATO and post-Yugoslavian stockpiles on top of all the Soviet gear.
Then once the war happened they had the backing of the worlds most powerful countries supplying their military as well as paying for public services.
Canada has none of this and if they attempted to militarize, it would be spun by the admin and ensure invasion.
Trololorawr@reddit
This is the stupidest take I’ve ever heard. You’re just going lay down and wait for death? Why?! If you truly believe that the US invasion (and your families execution) to be an inevitability, then why wouldn’t you choose to go down swinging?
Personally, I’m getting my PAL, buying books on guerrilla warfare and studying for ham radio certification. I know Canada doesn’t stand a chance at hell at winning a conventional war against U.S. invasion, but I also know that Canadians, united, cannot be defeated via asymmetrical warfare. It’s our civic duty to resist.
Our great nation is worth fighting for. Prepare to contribute to the resistance while you still can.
Billitosan@reddit
Canada has no aggression or desire for war, we acknowledge that the US has a long history of fucking with other countries except us for the most part. If there was an armed conflict we would ultimately fold like wet cardboard, but our population would be permanently pissed off to basically become Hawaii or Puerto Rico and would actively resist afterwards.
No sane Canadian would ever want to attack or invade America. If things came to that, we would look after that situation on our side to prevent it.
bouguereaus@reddit
As someone who hates Trump, that’s a dickish and short-sighted move IMHO. Why would your cousins alienate you for something that you cannot control? This could be an excellent opportunity to coordinate and support one another, and they’re wasting it.
PresentationShot9188@reddit
They said we all voted for trump just by staying here after he was elected. We got a death threat from my eldest cousin and he pretty much told us we should let Canada drain our blood into the soil voluntarily as payment for all the betrayel. My family is all scared.
Infinite-Anything-55@reddit
I'll take things that didn't happen for $500, Alex.
bouguereaus@reddit
That is insane and, frankly, sounds like mental illness.
sole_food_kitchen@reddit
Well who did you vote for? How politically active are you? That’s the key context here
systemshock869@reddit
Sound like a bunch of morons, surely they know that you didn't personally do it
Violence_0f_Action@reddit
Your cousins needs a shrink. They better hurry up while health care is still free
firadink@reddit
America has lost its mind and is threatening to annex multiple countries while starting a worldwide trade war, yet its Canadians who need a shrink 🙄 what a joke
Violence_0f_Action@reddit
No one has threatened to invade and annex anything. Clam down
firadink@reddit
You can’t be serious… Trump said “we will take Greenland one way or another” “we have to have Greenland for world peace” “Canada only works as our 51st state” dude this shit has been repeated like 20 times in 3 months.
Violence_0f_Action@reddit
I think you’ve lost your mind. But have a nice weekend
firadink@reddit
LOL that’s it eh, I can back up what I’m saying with receipts and you have zero retort other than saying I’ve lost my mind..
Violence_0f_Action@reddit
None of your receipts say anything about an invasion. If Canada can’t stand on its own economically or an actual military maybe they don’t work as a country. Time to put on the big boy pants and prove that to be wrong. We shall see
firadink@reddit
Yes they do you’re just choosing to be ignorant. I think how seriously Canada and Europe are taking your presidents words proves how serious it is.
Time_remaining@reddit
Ok buddy thanks.
Violence_0f_Action@reddit
You too, pal
Time_remaining@reddit
Oh very interesting point. Ok.
PresentationShot9188@reddit
We understand the maga crowd is fucked. We are ok with being nuked if it means my family dies fast and we don't need to see the evil that's coming.
Violence_0f_Action@reddit
Really trying to make that case for me I see
teslas_disciple@reddit
Trump has literally threatened to annex Canada and Greenland every time he opens his mouth.
Violence_0f_Action@reddit
He’s offered
teslas_disciple@reddit
This is some world class gas lighting...
No, he did not offer and you know it.
Time_remaining@reddit
Dude don't get so upset he's just trying to enlighten us. Its fine.
Time_remaining@reddit
Oh jeeze so true. Its just an offer. Very good point. Yes.
Time_remaining@reddit
Yo check out this guy trying to wind up the canadians LMAO.
Ok.
blackcatwizard@reddit
Have....you not been paying attention to anything?
PresentationShot9188@reddit
Me and my wife have prepared our family for death when we get invaded by Canada. We understand that being in new york we are probably going to be attacked. We aren't going to fight people we were supposed to be friends with. We are willing to let you execute all of us so that we may return to the source again.
CheleRey12@reddit
?????
Healthy_Parfait_7146@reddit
File this under things that never happened.
PresentationShot9188@reddit
In new york it's VERY common to have family and friends in Canada.
Time_remaining@reddit
Dude who are those people thats dramatic AF.
It aint like that for 99% of us up here. This is just bizness.
After_Competition_87@reddit
Lol so overdramatic
The_Vee_@reddit
Forget about Canadians coming to help put out massive wild fires in the US. Thanks, Trump. Asshole.
throwawayaway388@reddit
As a Canadian, our relationship is now fundamentally broken and it will take years to restore trust and rebuild a friendship.
I'm also on a border town and I will not be setting foot in the U.S. for the foreseeable future.
We're polite but petty and we're very pissed off. It sucks but it is what it is. We'll move forward.
kaminabis@reddit
Years? More like generations.
I will never again set foot in the US or trust the US.
Terrh@reddit
I used to spend almost all of my free time/vacation money in the states because I live in a border city and there's just so much more to do over there.
I've already cancelled 2 trips to the states, I have a third planned for May but it's looking like I'm going to cancel it as well.
kaminabis@reddit
It was one of my dreams to do a big roadtrip of major national parks on the west coast and in the south of the US.
I've given up on that dream.
thispleasesbabby@reddit
if you have a vr headset maybe you can fly to them on the google earth app. maybe that's lame but hey, no expenses for gas/lodging/food, and no missing home.
also: ken burns series on the natl parks
kaminabis@reddit
Im sorry but seeing things through vr and looking at a picture of the thing do the same thing for me. Besides, i get vr motion sickness
tryingisbetter@reddit
As you should for two reasons. 1) can't trust the US, and 2) parks are going to be sold.
Terrh@reddit
Yeah I wanted to do several major US road trips this year. That one I wanted to do this fall.
throwawayaway388@reddit
Real. I was feeling kind and generous lol
ThisIsFineImFine89@reddit
So long as the MAGA ideology remains a political force, we can never trust a US agreement again.
Not worth the paper it’s printed on.
One_Walk8921@reddit
Years? This will go down in the history books. It’s fundamentally changed forever.
bouguereaus@reddit
As an American, my friends are protesting this guy weekly. Were incredibly embarrassed by the entire administration.
throwawayaway388@reddit
What the hell does that have to do with my comment
bouguereaus@reddit
That many Americans are embarrassed and ashamed of the damage being inflicted on our neighbors and trade partners by Trump and the longstanding impact that said damage will have (including what you described in your original comment).
throwawayaway388@reddit
You always have to re-centre yourselves, don't you
bouguereaus@reddit
Ok…
YappyMcYapperson@reddit
Weren't you just stating how the relations between Canada and the US have been completely ruined becaus eof the US's actions and how it'stuined any interestin visiting the place? I thought they were just apologizing on behalf of their country's shitty behavior?
I'm not trying to start anything or correct anyone, I just wanted to understand better since I didn't see it immediately as "making it about themselves"
throwawayaway388@reddit
All they do is bombard us with that shit instead of validating or even listening and understanding. We have been listening to that exact same comment for 2 months now and they're so exhausting. We don't give a fuck about your not All Americans rhetoric. Go check out other Canadian subs and you'll see my sentiment is common.
OppositeHome2970@reddit
Being kidnapped and imprisoned by a hostile government is near the top of my bigger fears, I ain't ever going back.
Yogitrader7777@reddit
Don’t blame ya. I’m buying puts in solitary
External-Prize-7492@reddit
Political scientist here.
It was done intentionally. Trump wants us isolated so when war breaks out thanks to Russia, we don’t have to get involved. Putin can’t beat America, and other countries can’t beat Putin without the US.
I’d be more worried about what’s coming than our relationship because Trump is prepping the world for a new order, and countries close to Russia are in danger.
Colorado-Corso-mom@reddit
Prime minister is arded. Canada needs a conservative leadership to lead them back from the dumpster fire they are.
MasterJcMoss@reddit
Never51 #NeverPoilievre
thistlexthorn@reddit
Definitely a heated topic of debate on both sides right now. It’s important to express that the American people (with the exception of those that voted for the orange man) aren’t to blame for what Trump is doing. He’s literally dismantling the American government to a point where there would be no congressional oversight if he had it his way. This is eerily similar to how Putin changed voting laws and democracy when he came to power. We’re all getting f*cked in the ass, and the only ones enjoying it are the Trumpers. It’s important to remember how evenly divided America was during their election, and Canada is much the same, as we haven’t had a majority government in almost a decade.
Postman556@reddit
Say what you want, but Canada doesn’t currently have a Prime Minister, and the parasite posing as our PM will sell every piece of Canada to the highest bidders.
Ok_Huckleberry_45@reddit
Thanks, bot.
Postman556@reddit
Bots shill each other for upvotes. Too bad you can’t downvote more than once.
Bogey18@reddit
Russian troll
Due-Resort-2699@reddit
Not so long ago…. https://youtu.be/8_Ey5ph4wW8?feature=shared
Leading-Put-7428@reddit
Fuck you T-rump. That is all.
normaltraveldude@reddit
Classy
Leading-Put-7428@reddit
Ah, a bootlicker.
CAMonBeech@reddit
Canadian here. It’s a terrible and confusing situation and we are just as concerned. Here we are just living our good old Canadian lives and suddenly someone’s threatening to break it and take our stuff. There’s a huge difference between prepping for the huge ice storm that’s coming this weekend, and prepping for the chaos that might come from a forced economic maelstrom. This is going to affect folks on both sides of the border and to be completely honest, my prepping is a bit at a standstill because I don’t know what I’m supposed to do.
throwawayt44c@reddit
Food and friends.
Potential-Rabbit8818@reddit
I'm not surprised or mad at them. The world should just stay away from us. Its just like the early 1930's. Fascism is taking over. Stay away.
normaltraveldude@reddit
Lol, hyperbole much?
Princess_Actual@reddit
I live in thr metro Detroit area. If an invasion happens, this will be one of the staging areas. Fun times.
JustSimplyTheWorst@reddit
Yeah, for sure Trump is gunna try to grab us by the Windsor
bakermillerfloyd@reddit
I'm unfortunately betting on Sarnia. Smaller city, massive industrial infrastructure.
Terrh@reddit
I live in windsor.... yay.
CAMonBeech@reddit
Check out the War Red Plan from the early 20th century.
MountainGal72@reddit
I have excellent friends in Toronto. I’ve absolutely loved visiting that gorgeous city, attending fantastic film festivals, and seeing the country many times over the years. I’ve always felt at home and so very happy there.
Everything about this fucked up situation absolutely sucks.
I should have immigrated twenty years ago!
kwladybug55@reddit
Trump single handedly destroyed America to do Putin bidding. Destroy our relationship with our allies, end nato just like putting would love to happen. In four years, we won't be able to undue all the harm, hatred, or buffoonery this man does for his friends, all for money and backhanded deals. Stop the blame game and come together for the greater good and stop this dismantling of our democracy. Wake up!! Wisen up!! This has to stop.
Substantial_Lunch_88@reddit
Canadian here, we aren’t holding hands anymore, but my hand isn’t closed, in the future it can get better
Ok-Individual-5109@reddit
Please look up indivisible.org and get involved locally! Nationwide protests 4/5/25.
vladdracula8@reddit
So what? They were already throwing 300% tariffs our way
nakmuay18@reddit
It's like saying federal taxes in the US are 37%.
They are, but you have to earn over $600k.
MiniJunkie@reddit
You are misinformed.
Healthy_Parfait_7146@reddit
No they weren't. If you are thinking of dairy tariffs, read up on TRQs. Your just parroting incorrect information.
NarwhalEmergency9391@reddit
He needs to worry about his own country
Sad_Analyst_5209@reddit
They really do not seem to broke up over it, almost like they are glad this happened and they are enjoying this.
kite13light13@reddit
New Hampshire resident here, we love Canada.
Aromatic-Deer3886@reddit
As a Canadian I can safely say that the days of America being a trusted and steadfast ally and partner are over. Tariffs and this administration will go but we will not forget the many threats, coercion, insults and betrayal of Ukraine and the nato alliance. Most Canadians are clear eyed about the threat America has become not only to us but the entire democratic world. While we face off against Russia along side our European allies we now see America despicably appeasing Putin while backstabbing Ukraine and the nato alliance. No we will not forget nor will history. The American voters ignorance and disregard for truth and honour is a stain on America that can never be washed away
MiniJunkie@reddit
Also a Canadian. I mean…for decade after decade America was a good partner and ally. What changed is this President, who is clearly a disaster on a global scale. And he’s surrounded by other abominations. Yes the US f’ed up by either voting for him or not voting at all (which blows my mind). But when this admin is done I’m not going to damn America forever. I like the US when it’s not under the control of a tyrant. I’m gonna see how they come out of this and where they head in the future. If it’s for the worse, so be it I guess. But I’m going to try to retain some optimism.
Aromatic-Deer3886@reddit
Listen I definitely see where you’re coming from. At the end of the day they are our neighbour and we must get on as best we can. However this is such a consequential time in history and America has turned its back not only on its steadfast allies but also on the very values that it espouses and those we uphold and defend. Its betrayal of Ukraine is something that can’t be overlooked or ignored for a lot of us.its definitely not going to be forgotten by history.
PipsqueakPilot@reddit
The US is going to find itself Ukraine’d by Canada. Sure we’ll occupy the cities. But then have to deal with an insurgency being armed by basically the entire industrialized world. And that’s assuming we aren’t in an active war against the EU/NATO. While locked out of the world’s trade network under crippling sanctions.
7222_salty@reddit
Have TONS of friends there and we are ignoring the politicians silliness and staying strong as citizens with our brothers across the border.
MiniJunkie@reddit
Same here.
Salt_Sir2599@reddit
Yes, it’s very divisive, exactly what the fascists want. As an American, who has been very much against Trump and the conservative agenda for decades, seeing some of the comments here reminds me of how our countries Democrats turned on each other when Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders were vying for the democratic ticket……… look where that got us.
luv2fly781@reddit
Only if they call it out. If they agree. Bu bye 👋🏻
Few_Marionberry5824@reddit
So disgusted. I wasn't raised to treat my friends like this and I have a low opinion of people that do.
Even if you voted for him, I don't think he ever mentioned any of this or the Greenland bullshit in his campaign. I'd be pissed if I were a maga person.
Crazy-Canuck463@reddit
He 100% campaigned on tariffing Canada on day 1.
MiniJunkie@reddit
Oh? I didn’t think he had.
sole_food_kitchen@reddit
It’s what they voted for
Professional-You5818@reddit
I’m quite sure even if he mentioned it every day, they would have cheered.
Time_remaining@reddit
Just popping in to say the relationship that is broken is on the country level. My bros in the US are still my bros and I love them.
This is just business. Good fences make good neighbours type shit. Take care of your biz America, we will always have your back where it matters, but the holding hands staying up late and gossiping era of our bromance is over.
MiniJunkie@reddit
Same here. I have lots of great friends in the US. Lifelong friends.
Beautiful_Effect461@reddit
Just don’t let JD crash on you’re couch 🫨
rogerrectum@reddit
They wanted this. Isolation. If we are isolated and pissing everybody off then it’s easier for Papa Putin to take over thanks to agent krasnov.
BallsOfStonk@reddit
Fuck you if you voted for this idiot.
Nothing but love for our Canadian brothers and sisters, who perhaps most notably, answered our call after 9/11
mama146@reddit
It is the cancer of MAGA that is destroying your country, America. Hate, racism, greed, and violence are no foundation for a strong and free country.
Until that is remedied, the rest of the world will turn its back on you.
MiniJunkie@reddit
There’s just an incredible amount of disinformation, cultish behavior and propaganda poisoning a very large number of US citizens. Not sure how it will be able to heal from it.
Charlooos@reddit
As a Vermonter this is horrible, we never ever had any problems with Canadians.
It's literally our biggest ally and we just started a trade war for no reason.
MiniJunkie@reddit
Yep. It’s madness, and honestly such a massive shame. The brotherly relationship between Canada and the US was beneficial to everyone.
MiniJunkie@reddit
And for absolutely no good reason. Dec 2024: allies and friends for over a century. Jan 2025: the administration drives a massive wedge between the two countries based on some foolishness about trade deficits (which could simply have meant some renewed negotiations if they were a valid issue).
Raddish3030@reddit
True.
Doug Ford Vows to ‘Inflict as Much Pain as Possible to the American People’ Over Trump Tariffs
I thought it was an embelishment, but he's on video saying it.
I suppose, time to put on the big boy pants. Get fucked, Ontario.
Littleshuswap@reddit
I've stopped buying American goods and going to American owned stores. Elbows up!
chrisVA93@reddit
Yet here you are using an American service (Reddit) using an America operating system (Android and/or iOS) lol don’t gas light yourself
AddendumContent958@reddit
Oh my sweet little child.
You understand so little but project so bigly.
Wait on it since you can't see the drop in American influence /stocks/trust/power.
The world is a complicated place and you'd do well to go read about economics. You wont but its in your best interest to learn how and why American has the economy it does.
Hint - its not based on production.. Its based on buyers.
China was still quite behind but the US just bumped them up 50 yrs worth in terms of economy and power.
But y'all can be racist without fear so maybe thats a good trade off for some.
systemshock869@reddit
Not American websites though
rosseg@reddit
Jesus Christ stop this purity bullshit. Perfect is the enemy of good
they-walk-among-us@reddit
Just me? Or was that some really shitty audio?
Powerful-Arrival-528@reddit
Weekly-Ad9770@reddit
Good thing the United States doesn’t need Canada. And has never needed them in the history of the United States. A bunch of freeloaders is what they are. Good riddance.
Smart_Yogurt_989@reddit
Canada was a one night stand. It was fun but don't call me.
AntiSonOfBitchamajig@reddit
I prep for monetary collapse and, this is right out of the end stages playbook in terms of how the industrial flows go. Policies... will get tighter until failure, and it won't be fun for either side.
Even-Vegetable-1700@reddit
Can’t blame him one bit and he’s smart for saying this.
ZedisonSamZ@reddit
I feel such a deep, great shame over this that I’m not sure will ever be alleviated.
Gerantos@reddit
How many birthdays did you spend in Canada? What city specifically?
Mysterious_Poet_574@reddit
Did you guys go to Canada to celebrate your 19th birthday because the legal drinking age was 19? I vaguely remember that lol I suspect it’s no longer legal to drink over there at 19 but I don’t know
Passtenx@reddit
It’s still 18-19 depending on the province.
Perndog8439@reddit
They need to cease all communications with the orange buffoon. He is using your country and politicians are shit rags.
Particular_Boot_2316@reddit
As a Canadian this year, exactly all of this nonsense is why I got “back into” prepping.
Nothing is ever a 0% chance in life, but up until 4 months ago I would have said that the US invading Canada with military force would be pretty damn close to 0. Now? It’s not that unthinkable.
Outside of general prep that we should have in my area for earthquakes or forest fires, it was the threat of invasion that tipped me over the top to do something. Which as someone who sees himself as pretty grounded, I’m self aware enough to think is wild.
Anyway I’ve prepped to the point where there are two sets, one to bug out via vehicle, and one to bug in at home. The benefit of having both is I can send people up north with one, and stay and defend with the other.
Meowweredoomed@reddit
I'm thinking blame Canada!
alienfromthecaravan@reddit
Pfff, countries don’t have friends, they have allies and partners and as such those can end too. Personally knowing the real US history and how powerful they are how many power hungry and racist people want it to control it, I knew it was a matter of time before a Trump comes to Power. Honestly, kinda shocked it took this long
AwayPresentation5704@reddit
We are preparing for war with the fascist regime that currently is in the white house!
SkillIcy3516@reddit
I saw this. I think since Trump is moving forward with aggressive words on Greenland, Canada is prepared
nanneryeeter@reddit
What an entirely absurd situation.
Barky_Bark@reddit
For those who don’t know: Carney is like a week in to the job taking over for Trudeau who was disliked by most Canadians (myself included even as an ardent liberal party supporter). He’s gotta keep making headlines while we’re now in a snap election.
ThatEndingTho@reddit
Trudeau was actually well-liked after he resigned and navigated all this Trump stuff. More people were like “ah shit why is he leaving now”
Deans1to5@reddit
While I do think Carney was partially using the statement for political reasons, I think many Canadians feel that the old relationship is over. What takes its place remains to be seen.
Dry-Interaction-1246@reddit
Paging LooEasy
Dry-Interaction-1246@reddit
This reaction will be repeated across the free world. Expect years of capital flight from the US.