Texas AG launches investigation into planned Muslim-centric neighborhood near Dallas by East Plano Islamic Center. Statement by our rep, Jeff Leach, citing Sharia Law.
Posted by Lyuseefur@reddit | plano | View on Reddit | 140 comments
TxDirtRoad@reddit
I keep seeing this Sharia law pop up. Every time I ask for evidence, something like a contract or otherwise that states this, I always get a flury of ad hominems.
As the Chair of Collin County Libertarian Party, I think it is important that we, the people, stand for religious freedom, so long as it is by choice, not by force. Until I see a contract, that somehow indicates how this "Sharia Law" is implemented, I remain skeptical of what I see to this point as misinformation and fear mongering.
I welcome any evidence anyone can send my way, because to this point, I've seen nothing but hatred and fear mongering towards a group of people that are different.
patientguitar@reddit
These idiots think the Five Pillars of Islam are Lot’s wife and her sisters.
Sharia Law in practice: two Muslims in dispute agree to have an imam settle the issue based on interpretation of the Qu’ran. It’s Muslim small claims court and it saves taxpayers money Paxton you stupid fffffff
but once again, Y’all Qaeda comes in…
TxDirtRoad@reddit
Not even small claims court. It's like using your parents as a mediator. Lol. Your point on saving the tax payer money, is well stated.
But I'm not surprised 'little' govt conservatives are pushing for big govt approaches.
Particular-Moment-25@reddit
Oh no! Can't have community dispute resolution that is non-state based. Or religious counseling. /s
This is just tired xenophobia and continued state-sanctioned discrimination, targetting and harassment.
Lyuseefur@reddit (OP)
NO https://www.snopes.com/news/2025/03/19/shariah-city-texas/
TxDirtRoad@reddit
Oh I know. That is why I am asking for those peddling this BS to defend their points, so it can be picked apart.
Gettani@reddit
I applauded the rational thinking on your part, but it’s really quite simple my dude... It’s xenophobia.
Of the thousands of Muslims in north Dallas are there some bad people? Statistically likely. How likely is it that one of the largest Texas Muslim communities, all the parishioners, and their mosque are systematically corrupt? And it was only uncovered by Ken Paxton because Texas is/has been woke and enabling the Muslims?….
TxDirtRoad@reddit
I understand. You don't defeat a xenophobic argument and thinking by just yelling xenophobe louder. You instead knockdown each strawman until you hit congestive dissonance. Then, you might get 30% to come around. But those 30% now then argue against the exact same points they used. That is how you change hearts and minds.
Yelling xenophobe louder just makes them laugh because they still think they are right. That is what I ask for proof, evidence.
Gettani@reddit
It’s a non-falsifiable argument either way. Yes, I am speculating but so are you (albeit, you are being more generous than I). I applaud you for waiting to see evidence that they are bigoted but the only way to actually know is if Paxton or Abbot admitted it. That’s how it works with most racist/bigots/xenophobes, and they hardly come out and say it.
There’s a governed election in 2 years and it seems most likely they are trying to drum up support by othering a minority group. Like I said, I am speculating but I’d wager you’re not going to find massive shenanigans with this minority, just cheap politicking.
PS
If they were truly serious about uncovering fraud, why go after a specific and single minority vs other similar groups (eg mega church’s). If they were this serious about fraud to announce it like this, you’d have seen proof or a coalition to go after all similar groups.
Regular_or_BQ@reddit
You keep posting this one link. We got it. So don't live there. End of.
MansourBahrami@reddit
Brother if you haven’t lived through an Islamic takeover of your country like my family has done in both Iran and Indonesia, you don’t know how these people creep in, insidiously. They cannot be allowed to take root in anyway shape or form.
TxDirtRoad@reddit
The problem usually starts with one creating favorable protections for their religion, then it is used against them. That is why we have the 1A. That's also why I oppose the notion that we are a 'Christian' country. Many of our founding fathers were deists... the few that outwardly wanted Christian based law, were quickly shot down by the rest.
And Iran, last I checked, wasn't some complex tax over from a democratic process. It was a coup take over by a very small portion of the population. Am I wrong there? And how did the previous regime treat Muslims? Did the Shaw have many Islamic advisors? A good representation of 'the people'?
mwa12345@reddit
The shah was definitely and by definition , not a democratic republic.
And from what I understand, was pretty brutal, with a gestapo like secret service to oppress. As long as he was anti communist and anti socialist - he was among our favorite type of dictator.
TxDirtRoad@reddit
Oh I know, which is why I asked what I did. But thanks for defeating their strawman before they could present it.
stationary_events@reddit
lol
Suburbking@reddit
There are laws, and there are other mechanism for enforcement. Community peer pressure is just as bad as a written law. This pressure COULD be amplified in a community like this.
Neither-Effect-6101@reddit
Religious community peer pressure is a constant in pretty much every religion. I have no more problem with Muslims choosing to live in EPIC city than I have with Hasidic Jews in Kiryas Joel or Amish folks in Lancaster.
mwa12345@reddit
Exactly. What's next? "Peer pressure - so we gonna cancel school"?
TxDirtRoad@reddit
Could, yes. If you want examples of this, find your nearest Karen or Kevin of the local HOA. But again, scope is limited. The most that could be done, is what is allowed under HOA rules. Last I checked, HOAs cannot enforce capital punishment. Nor can an HOA write its own 'anti-abortion'-like law.
BlazinAzn38@reddit
Yeah like this is equivalent to saying that all your neighbors going to the Methodist church is tantamount to religious persecution lol. I guess burn all of Texas down if that’s that case
TxDirtRoad@reddit
Well, I was taught as a Southern Baptist that all those Methodist were going to burn in hell anyway... hahaha.
I've since learned that was not only wrong, but more importantly, unprincipled. Everyone gets to choose what is right for them, even if I don't like it, so long as it doesn't make a victim of another. That's what self-ownership, a core principle of liberty, teaches us.
schloopers@reddit
Yep, your rights stop at mine
mwa12345@reddit
Haha. You won't get any evidence. This whole "sharia law" scare is idiocy pushed by some and eagerly promoted by some right wing politicians
Ken Paxton talking about laws and morals - cracks me up!
veyonyx@reddit
I thought that the Collin County Libertarian Party was the name of the lesbian gun club I see at Mr. Guns on Thursdays.
TxDirtRoad@reddit
I love seeing anyone honing their 2A rights. An armed minority is always harder to oppress—and there's no smaller minority than the individual. Collectivists hate that truth. They think oppression is measured in numbers, but a constitutional republic is built to defend individual liberty, not mob rule.
LilShaver@reddit
The Constitution is the highest law in the land, per the Supremacy Clause.
If anyone is trying to subvert that law by creating a private enclave where the Constitution (and by extension state/local) laws are ignored, they have committed insurrection and, IMO, should be stripped of citizenship and expatriated.
TxDirtRoad@reddit
Again, until I see evidence of actual "Sharia Law" attempting to be implemented, your blanket statement, while technically true, is also a complete red herring on the topic. Laws, ordinances, regulations and contracts all address this.
Additionally, the US Constitution is a negative document, meaning it applies strictly to the US Umbrella of governments. It's applicability to private agreements between two parties is limited in scope, assuming such an agreement was entered into willfully. This is no different than the privacy agreement from your employer to at will search your company email box, vs the 4th amendment.
To your point on the concept of stripping citizenship and expatriate, this is a violation of the 8th amendment, and has already been decided on by SCOTUS.
To test your knowledge on the scope of the constitution, does it apply to someone on visa or otherwise undocumented? I.e., should an undocumented migrant have due process? Can they own a firearm?
LilShaver@reddit
As I replied to your other comment, after chatting with my friend I now see what the issue is and disagree with the state law AG Paxton is trying to enforce.
Yes, and not only is it a negative document in that regard, but the Supremacy Clause I cited earlier is also a limit on the Federal Government.
My work searching my company email box isn't a 4th Amendment issue because they own the mailbox. Them searching my personal email IS a 4th Amendment issue.
As for personal agreements, you can not have those that actually violate the law of the land. IOW if I subscribe to Sharia law, even in a written document, and then renege, the Imams having me beheaded is still illegal.
Based solely on the verbiage in the Constitution, yes, yes, and yes.
I do understand that. I did state "IMO", and my knee jerk reaction is primarily the result of the insurrection that has taken place inside the Federal government over the past several decades.
TxDirtRoad@reddit
I agree, we have most definitely steered away from liberty into a weird oscillation where each swing of the pendulum results in less liberty and a larger government. While we have been trending that way for some time, it would seem that during Bush, this accelerated and has continued ever since.
I'm glad to see we have common ground on interpretations. That is something I find lacking in a lot of the more extreme side of the conservative crowd. I grow tired of fighting that everyone has constitutional protections, regardless of any given race, creed, orientation, religion documentation status (ugh list goes on).
As for private agreements, yes, one can certainly give up rights - through consent. Much like a cop can ask, without warrant to search your vehicle, you can give up protections under terms of employment. What cops cannot do is search your car without warrant or consent, or in the email box without agreement to do so. However, I feel that discussion gets much deeper than the point of this thread and likely more than for a reddit post.
ilikeengnrng@reddit
And what evidence do you have that they're trying to subvert the constitution or any law for that matter? Would you say the same about a Christian community?
Phat_groga@reddit
Paxton is an $%^*^. I haven’t read much about the planned community but I am curious how it can be Muslim only. Legally, you cannot keep out other faiths from renting/buying house. Does anyone have any additional information they can share? TIA.
SimplyAStranger@reddit
It doesn't excluded other faiths, it just specifically caters to Muslims. Kind of like how a store that sells hijabs and halal meat doesn't stop anyone from coming in to shop, but it is still a "Muslim" store. The plan includes space for a mosque, a private Islamic school, and stores selling Islamic themes goods, clothing, and food, as well as a general community center and sports areas. So around the current EPIC mosque, stores and halal restaurants etc have all popped up but they are pretty much out of space to grow. The current EPIC affiliated private school is a half hour drive from the mosque. So the idea was, hey what if we had all this stuff we all use all right together instead of spread out all over the area? That would be super convenient. But there isn't space where they are, and going far out of town where there is space would make the pop up community grow very slowly and take a long time to establish (though it would eventually happen organically anyway) . So they thought, well, why not just go build it all at once? And people are freaking out.
The current stores and low cost medical center next to (and run by) the current EPIC mosque welcome everyone, regardless of religion or lack thereof. EPIC focuses on being integrated with the community and often hosts events specifically for community outreach for everyone to join as well as regularly holding specific interfaith events where they invite local leaders of other faiths. It's just that right now, a lot of services and stores for Muslims are really spread out, so having a community where it is all right together and readily available is really appealing.
Vrykule@reddit
Did you know Halal slaughter is unsedated slaughter? Nice "peaceful" religion you got there bud.
SimplyAStranger@reddit
Did you know that's not necessarily true, and animals can, and often are, rendered unconscious before being slaughtered and it is halal? Guessing you didn't.
Vrykule@reddit
That's not true.
SimplyAStranger@reddit
Google is your friend.
Vrykule@reddit
My man, unsedated slaughter is halal. Else the muslim community in my country wouldn't cause such a FUSS since we banned unsedated slaughter.
But that's how your kind operates, deceit and lies.
SimplyAStranger@reddit
Seriously, just Google it. There is no requirement for the animal to be conscious. Actions and beliefs from one group of Muslims doesn't automatically apply to all Muslims. Maybe they are of a sect that follows a minority opinion. Maybe there was something else in the ban they objected to, like specifically requiring the use of captive bolt guns. I don't know, I wasn't there, but there are many halal certified slaughterhouses worldwide that render the animals unconcious first.
Phat_groga@reddit
Thanks for the clarification.
Lyuseefur@reddit (OP)
And LEACH - Our own REP!!
downtime37@reddit
The nerve of these minorities thinking they have the same rights and privilege's as the white man!
/s fuck all the racist, bigoted republicans.
Suburbking@reddit
I think the question is "will it be the same rules for all, or will there be a second set of laws for this community?". At least thats my question. For me, its equality for all under the law. We dont want to start carving out exclusions because that will quickly lead to unintended places.
Regular_or_BQ@reddit
America and definitely Texas already have laws for different groups of people. That's very clear every day that Ken Paxton strolls his criminal ass into the AG office.
I'm not Muslim and don't want to live by the concepts of their religion so I wouldn't be interested in living there. Which leaves over 240k other miles of Texas where I may want to live.
I find it interesting that far right Christians who are equally barbaric to any other far right concept are so against another group. I'd think they'd be cheering on conservative values regardless of headwear.
Vrykule@reddit
This stupid mf can't even look 20 years into the future.
Lyuseefur@reddit (OP)
NO https://www.snopes.com/news/2025/03/19/shariah-city-texas/
_drelyt@reddit
If these fools actually read the tenets of Sharia law they would eat that shit up. Too bad they read at a 5th grade level.
_Oman@reddit
There is a group trying to set something up here, but they were shady and underhanded from the start with all sorts of under the table deals, special "discounts" to certain individuals if they met certain criteria, etc.
I think they were hoping that they could use "religious discrimination" to ward off the shenanigans.
Keep it clean and no problem, no matter the religion.
oobinckleyoo@reddit
So FLDS is okay but we draw the line at Muslims?
Sure sure.
Onuus@reddit
Sharia law by definition is obeying the law of the land you’re currently living in. It exists within Islam, but it is not an assimilation of Islamic teachings into regular preexisting law.
Every American is following sharia law every day they’re not committing crimes.
These are just religious extremist projecting their own views on the population, not sharia law.
Source: I am a Muslim.
Sorry I’m not trying to be an asshole, I was just trying to clarify what you were referring to. I don’t like the misconception around that term.
Ok-Discussion-7959@reddit
This is false — or you’re a really bad Muslim.
First off, it’s called Sharia, not “Sharia law.” The word Sharia itself means “law” in Arabic, so saying “Sharia law” is like saying “law law.” That alone shows a fundamental misunderstanding of the term.
More importantly, Sharia is not defined as “obeying the law of the land.” That’s a gross misrepresentation. Sharia is the divine legal and moral code revealed by Allah, derived from the Qur’an, the Sunnah (Prophet Muhammad’s teachings), and interpreted through Islamic jurisprudence (fiqh). It governs every aspect of a Muslim’s life — from prayer and fasting to marriage, business, and criminal justice.
Sharia is not optional. In an Islamic framework, it’s something that must be upheld — especially in Muslim-majority or Islamic states. It doesn’t bend to secular laws; it stands independently of them. While Muslims in non-Muslim countries are encouraged to be law-abiding citizens, that doesn’t redefine Sharia to mean “whatever local law you happen to live under.”
And the claim that “every American is following Sharia because they aren’t committing crimes”? That’s flat-out wrong. Avoiding theft or murder doesn’t mean you’re adhering to Sharia any more than it means you’re following Christian canon law or Jewish Halakha. Sharia includes unique religious obligations (like prayer, zakat, and fasting) and legal rulings that go far beyond just not committing secular crimes.
Let’s not dilute or misrepresent the term just to sound politically correct or soften misconceptions. Misunderstanding Sharia does more harm than good — both to Muslims and to broader public discourse
Onuus@reddit
That’s a chat gpt response I’ve ever seen one lol.
Eid Mubarak
mistiquefog@reddit
This project is aiming at creating Islamic faith based K-12 education.
Guess what the students of such a school are called in another language :- Taliban
the word “Taliban” is Pashto for “students”
Source:-https://www.dni.gov/nctc/groups/afghan_taliban.html#:~:text=The%20movement's%20founding%20nucleus%E2%80%94the,their%20strength%20in%20southern%20Afghanistan.
Lyuseefur@reddit (OP)
NO https://www.snopes.com/news/2025/03/19/shariah-city-texas/
mistiquefog@reddit
You don't even trust and respect the service member of US military
https://www.reddit.com/r/Defeat_Project_2025/s/BAhxbPwOy4
Tintoverde@reddit
What is got do this discussion ? If you do not like plano , you know what to do.
mistiquefog@reddit
This means, I don't like to have a conversation with anyone who does not have respect for the people who serve.
glichez@reddit
what about those of us who served in the military for years and have absolutely NO respect for it?
Tintoverde@reddit
Ok but you did any way
LesPomPom@reddit
Why is creating an Islamic faith based K - 12 education bad? If the state wants to implement Christian teachings in a PUBLIC school, where students of all faiths attend and don't get a say in teachings of their home-based religion, why is it bad to have a school specifically for Islamic education?
We already have Christian based schools here. Why is that okay?
mistiquefog@reddit
asked and answered.
Tintoverde@reddit
So the St. Marks is creating Christian fundamentalists. Give me a break.
mistiquefog@reddit
Last I checked there was no international Christian terrorist organization.
We had a domestic KKK and we stomped it out. If another KKK tries to emerge, we will stomp it out again.
Frankly there is no parallel for the wahabi school of thought in any other religion. Don't fool yourself by comparing with St. Marks anywhere in the world.
Last I checked Dan Brown is still alive and free despite writing Da Vinci code, while Salman Rushdie was killed for a book published even before his attacker was even born.
Tintoverde@reddit
Check harder at
FBI list or Southern Poverty center list.
Salman Rushdie is still alive 🤦♀️
mistiquefog@reddit
Was he attacked?
Was the aim of the attack to kill him ?
What was he attacked for?
meme_factory_dude@reddit
I haven't seen anyone else mention this, so I'll chime in. The land that they purchased for their planned EPIC city is all the way on the other side of Lake Lavon, north of Josephine. It's just barely in Collin County. I was getting the inpression from people's reactions that it was planned somewhere much closer.
I wonder if people would feel less threatened knowing this?
not-a-dislike-button@reddit
Is ther a Christian equivalent of this? Seems weird and cult like and also inherently discriminatory housing
TheDutchTexan@reddit
There was. In Waco.
mistiquefog@reddit
News from another country
https://www.gbnews.com/news/britain-sharia-law-courts-western-capital
TxDirtRoad@reddit
Another country, another set of laws. Your mis-direction is not well taken.
mistiquefog@reddit
Different countries, different nationalities all united by Ummah.
Your intellectual ignorance is showing.
TxDirtRoad@reddit
Nice ad hominem. So riddle me this batman, how would this be implemented, legally. You know, since I'm so intellectually ignorant.
mistiquefog@reddit
It's called street power. You will know when it happens.
The same way it was implemented in UK.
Go read about it.
Neither-Effect-6101@reddit
According to your article, Sharia councils in GB function in the exact same way that thousands of Catholic tribunals function all over the globe. Where’s the concern about Catholics gone rogue with their own ecclesiastical courts?
mistiquefog@reddit
Don't worry. I don't support them either.
Advanced_Sun9676@reddit
Lmao let me guess your screaming about Muslims because they don't have any power . But will go mute blind and deaf about Christian who are actively pushing for Christian law in our government.
But ya your totally against both . Please, sir, no one is buying your bs .
mistiquefog@reddit
I am not selling anything. I don't know what imaginary "i" you are buying.
We are all aware of what havoc members of EPIC are causing on our community. This is a democracy and we all have a right to our opinion. The right way forward will be decided at the ballot box.
This is not about Muslims, it's about the members of EPIC, who don't even have a favourable impression amongst the Muslims who are members of other mosques of the city.
lordb4@reddit
I know that one of the "Muslim" neighborhoods in East Plano used to put "Walking distance to XYZ Mosque" in their advertising. It was their workaround to the law.
I am fine with their right to do that. However, I don't think like-minded people building their own little communities is a good thing for society as a whole. It just re-enforces xenophobia.
JONTOM89@reddit
Straight up, religious and racial discrimination. There isn’t a basis for this investigation. They are just emboldened now than ever to be racist and fear-mongering because their Orange Mussolini applauds it. Fuck all of these Republican Texas politician assholes.
osamabinwankn@reddit
If someone was building a neighborhood and declared that it is 100% Christian. I would hope people would also be up in arms.
Are the AG and Governor of Texas complete racist idiots. Yes. 100% this doesn’t change that.
I watched the videos EPIC posted in YouTube about this neighborhood, and it’s worth doing that so you understand there is some basis for concern.
TxDirtRoad@reddit
Do you have any evidence of a legitimate claim, where a Christian applied to buy a property in said community and was declined?
JONTOM89@reddit
Meh.
Business_Reaction527@reddit
Pathetic
BlueAces2002@reddit
Texas Muslims are especially stupid. They vote republican bc they think these religious laws will benefit them and then guess what - it backfires!
prob_still_in_denial@reddit
“You can’t do Sharia law! Only WE can do Sharia law!”
Suburbking@reddit
I just have one question... Will there be any secondary system(Sharia) of rules and laws that are outside of the city/county codes, state and federal laws. If someone can clearly answer that, I would really appreciate it!
LilShaver@reddit
That is always the goal of Islam, and it is the behavior they have exhibited everywhere else in the USA where they have made Muslim enclaves.
13508615@reddit
Here's your nickel for typing a magat line
LilShaver@reddit
I don't get paid for citing reality.
Unlike the fantasy world you live in.
Ok_Confection_9350@reddit
Ya I don't get that mentality especially in India, its crazy as they do stuff like this: https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/two-teenage-girls-hindu-woman-abducted-and-forcibly-converted-to-islam-in-pakistan-101664025472398.html
Often times the women are raped and beaten, because they were raped their own families don't want them back either as they are considered damaged goods and nobody will marry them.
Heartbreaking, the world isn't all lovey dovey where everyone gets along and plays nice
13508615@reddit
Trumpo rapes. Does he irk you this much?
gotlactase@reddit
I guess the same can be said about Hindus trying to convert Muslims so your point is moot
Lyuseefur@reddit (OP)
NNO https://www.snopes.com/news/2025/03/19/shariah-city-texas/
LilShaver@reddit
You're trying to fact check... well not just me but anything really, with Snopes is laughable. They are known liars who get everything wrong.
mistiquefog@reddit
News from another country
https://www.gbnews.com/news/britain-sharia-law-courts-western-capital
Neither-Effect-6101@reddit
Sharia councils are no different than Catholic tribunals, eh?
mistiquefog@reddit
Am I supporting those? NO
Lyuseefur@reddit (OP)
NO https://www.snopes.com/news/2025/03/19/shariah-city-texas/
mistiquefog@reddit
You don't even trust and respect the service member of US military
https://www.reddit.com/r/Defeat_Project_2025/s/BAhxbPwOy4
TxDirtRoad@reddit
While technically, this could be handled via an HOA structure, it is still limited in scope under our legal system, seeing that an HOA is a quasi govt structure. It is no different than your HOA saying you can't paint your fence but an approved color... however, an HOA cannot sentence you to death for something like adultery.
This is why I keep asking for evidence of what is actually being implemented in terms of "Sharia Law". If this 'law' says your door must be brown, yeah, that could be done. But stoning or otherwise, not so much.
Lyuseefur@reddit (OP)
NO https://www.snopes.com/news/2025/03/19/shariah-city-texas/
Lyuseefur@reddit (OP)
No. There isn't.
OptimistPrimeBarista@reddit
Can non-Muslims visit EPIC out of solidarity and support? I’ve passed this place hundreds of times since I was a kid and always wondered what it was like to visit.
Lyuseefur@reddit (OP)
Yes all are welcome. It’s okay to visit.
Hav_ANiceDay@reddit
Wait ao Sharia Law is not OK? But the money pumped into the legislature to make Texas a de Facto Christian state is OK?
GTFO
lizardbreath1138@reddit
Howdy Arabia and Y’all Qaeda are worried about sharia law? 😂🙄
Under His eye.
General_Back1193@reddit
Really curious to know if all these fear-mongerers here have ever met and interacted with Texan Muslims? They're not interested in beheadings or stonings or establishing "no-go" zones LOL.
We just want to live our lives in peace. We want the same things the average American wants. Make an honest living, want our kids to have a good education, and be able to practice our faith. And for most Muslims that looks like praying 5x a day, fasting during Ramadan, celebrating Eid with our loved ones, giving charity, staying out of debt, wearing the hijab (for those of us who choose to do so) without fear for our safety or being discriminated against.
Community is really important for us so while I, myself, am not particularly interested in living in EPIC City (I love Plano) I think for a lot of Muslims it's just about building a sense of community outside of the mosque. Living and enjoying our lives with our friends and families while also giving back to the communities we live in. Muslims are not a monolith of course and we all practice differently but the VAST majority of us, especially those of us who have a correct understanding of our faith without the influence of old-school patriarchal cultural practices understand that extremists have abused and distorted the faith for their own disgusting ambitions or greed (and this happens to every religion) and we are very much of the mindset of "live and let live" and we want to coexist peacefully with our neighbors whoever they may be.
We love America and the ideals it was built upon. So this whole narrative that "Muslims hate us/hate America" etc is just so wrong! America is such a beautiful melting pot and I hate how this nation is becoming so fractured. I wish more of these bigots would actually talk to real Muslims in their communities to hopefully get a better understanding of us. It scares me that my kids are growing up in such a hateful America, but seeing positive and open-minded comments from my fellow Texans gives me hope.
Sincerely,
A Muslim who grew up in TX
not-a-dislike-button@reddit
If Islam ever has a successful reform movement like the other religions did and the routine terror attacks stop, then people will be more accepting. Until then, nope.
PieCuresAll@reddit
Paxton can go play in traffic
PugLife000@reddit
Good, it violates fair housing laws and could be an Islamic compound where radicalization could fester.
RTR20241@reddit
Paxton is a cunt and a felon. And I am generally a Republican
Tintoverde@reddit
I was curious what does sharia law means. So started googling. The literal meaning apperently is ‘the correct path’. More here.
Remember like any religion based on a book, the interpreted by a person or persons and the people who follow the interpretation. The holy book is static and cannot think of every scenario and what was considered correct few thousand years ago, maybe can’t be considered correct now.
Currently we see Taliban, ISIS and then we see Sufism, supposedly based on the same holy book. Similar to any other religion Does any one remember David Koresh, or the Mormons. There is a spectrum of what is considered religiously correct.
I am an atheist myself, so to me all religions are cults. But each to their own. I am not sure I like EPIC city, but they are not asking me. What I do not understand why the 3 amigos are after EPIC. My guess is they are all eyeing the 2026 gubernatorial election.
NicoHarrison88@reddit
Plano is full of immigrants from communities afflicted by Islamist ideology. I have met Buddhists, Sikhs, Hindus, Christians, Yazidis, and Atheists who all share similar stories of persecution by Islamic governments as they sought to enforce "Sharia Law".
It is absolutely unfathomable to me that this "community" is even a serious consideration. If a group of Nazis want to make a city to parade around Hitler all day and only allow "individually selected" residents who "align with their goals" then everyone here would call it out as discriminatory, hateful, and un-American (and rightfully so!). Legally, EPIC can dance around all they want, but make no mistake about it: this is a Sharia Law zone.
The city will "enforce" American/Texan law the same way Plano PD enforces front license plates: they don't. No city in this great country should ever be created to allow only one subgroup of people. I wish people called this out as much as they would call out a Nazi, Zionist, or even MAGA only city.
I don't agree with much of what Abbott/Paxton say or do, but I am with them on this one. No part of Texas should be a proxy for enforcing a crude, hateful ideology in the name of "religious freedom".
Tintoverde@reddit
Alt account. This guy no idea about plano .
Special_Brief4465@reddit
Do we not have Christian-centric neighborhoods and towns???? You can’t escape Christianity’s hegemony if you live here. Muslim people should be able to have their own neighborhoods centered around their faith and cultures if they want to.
Everyone else has already been able or forced to do that!
Accomplished_Gas4698@reddit
There are no funeral services at epic. Period.
EPIC is a public place of worship and a HUGE community partner with many Local agencies. Everyone is welcome and encouraged to attend the center. If you don’t feel comfortable going there, message me and I will take you there. Or any mosque in the area.
Governor Abbott is catering to the fear mongering and hatred. Perhaps there is an election coming up soon ?
Tintoverde@reddit
Yep he is worried about Paxton in the Primary for 2026. EPIC is in Paxton’s old district. So .. it is works in so many levels
Accomplished_Gas4698@reddit
ahh that makes sense.
Paxton has been dodging the law for a loooong time.
Realistic-Pay-6931@reddit
Is this what they are referring to? https://epicccp.com/
Bitter_Offer1847@reddit
Oh good, so he’ll also be launching investigations into all the HOAs that operate mini governments unconstitutionally throughout the state and all the mega churches who influence politics and should have their tax exempt status revoked, right? RIGHT?!
Lyuseefur@reddit (OP)
Right?? What about those MINNONITE ENCLAVES?? With massive diseases outbreak?!
Bitter_Offer1847@reddit
Exactly. They just happen to be the right kind of weird, Christian weird.
Realistic-Pay-6931@reddit
Please start calling it was it really is... it is not Christian weird. Christ would never do this. It is Christian Nationalist weird.
Bitter_Offer1847@reddit
Fair enough. I can make that change.
johnnc2@reddit
The worse thing about the area surrounding EPIC is the drivers. Which isn’t anything new in Texas. Bum eye Paxton sucks
Penguin_FTW@reddit
I live in a farce.
TxDirtRoad@reddit
Political double standards. What he meant was "there will be zero tolerance for anyone who isn't my friend, most especially those of that other party, that breaks what I perceive as Texas law"
LilShaver@reddit
Having just spend about 30-45 minutes on the phone with the Collin Co. LP Vice Chair after I PM'd you, I have a better grasp on what the issues are now.
1) There is no threat of Sharia at this time.
2) This appears to primarily be a licensing issue which, as a small government conservative, I find even more offensive than Sharia law.
stationary_events@reddit
Thank you. People just like to “like” and “retweet” specific key words on post before doing their research. Much-ado-bout-nothin
TxDirtRoad@reddit
I must applaud LilShaver for doing what many Americans seem to have forgotten - critical thinking, civil discourse, and research. We would be on a much different path if more people did that.
TxDirtRoad@reddit
My apologies for not seeing the notification about the PM. My name is Kenneth Feagins - there is no need to hide that since a few seconds of googling will determine that.
For me, the biggest concern is using the fictitious #1 to attack the organization using #2. It's a way to demonize, distracting people from critical thinking to see #2 as wrong.
I see similar attacks using licensing and ordinances that provide no real community value with the LDS temple in Fairview for the 'spire being too tall'. So long as it doesn't 'damage' a surrounding property, why does it matter? The latest there is now the spire will be reduced from 174ft to 120ft, in accordance with mediation with the city. Let's see if the city holds up their end of what should have never occurred to start with.
Anyway, I invite you out to our social tonight. We will be talking about another licensing issue - this one attacking restrictions of candidate filing fees.
https://collinlp.org/event/join-us-for-the-march-social-at-four-bullets-brewery/
LilShaver@reddit
Thank you, sir. Let me see if I can catch a ride up there.
stationary_events@reddit
This is my community and it’s nothing in this project says it’s a “shariah city”. Just BS fear mongering and idiots looking for clout online. Only thing shariah is the loans for Muslims. Dummies need to watch the videos.
Wow_Big_Numbers@reddit
Ridiculous. There is going to be a lot of money to be made from this development, yet the AG won’t get his hands out of MY pockets.
TxDirtRoad@reddit
Wait until the AG has to raid your pockets to pay the counter suit EPIC will likely file for religious persecution and other civil right violations under this course of action.
jdozr@reddit
It's a wild world when we have actual criminals investigating 'criminals'.
heinzenfeinzen@reddit
You posted this same story yesterday:
https://www.reddit.com/r/plano/comments/1jl9o6i/east_plano_islamic_center_must_stop_all_funeral/
Lyuseefur@reddit (OP)
This was about Funeral bullshit and now this!!!!
MystifiedPotato@reddit
Snopes article here (recommend using your browser's Reader View to avoid McAfee nonsense). The Shariah claim reportedly originated from a Islamophobic influencer. Although initiated by the East Plano Islamic Center, the development will be on farmland well east of Plano, halfway between Lake Lavon and Greenville.
Colonel_Janus@reddit
wtf? what's the good faith argument for this investigation? Or is it as targetedly prejudiced as it seems on its face?
yesitsyourmom@reddit
This is insane