AI is never going to replace human artists completely. It's like how the microwave didn't replace the traditional oven. I don't wanna go to school for drawing for 2 years just to be able to shitpost, which is what AI will primarily be used for.
This. I was never going to pay $100 to commission someone to make my shitpost for me. No artist is losing any income on my behalf. I was just going to make fewer of them and they were going to be abysmal stick figures and/or hack photoshops. Now they'll be hilarious AI slop.
The shit the average consumer buys is always the worst quality thing compared to what the real quality stuff is, as they will always make lower quality stuff standard to hoarde the quality stuff you don't even know exist as it starts to become an elite only thing. It's not "doomposting" or anything, It's just the natural part of the downward spiral of things always getting worse yet more expensive at the same time.
Cars are a great example, you'll never be able to get a proper off the grid car anymore, just American bloatware plasticware "smartcar" garbage that isn't built to last anymore, so you'll have to pay a fortune to enjoy the luxuries our grandfathers enjoyed at a penny.
Cars are a bad example because the consumer keeps demanding more and more shit in them along with regulations. Our grandparents cars didn't have nearly the amount of safety requirements and pappy also didnt need a 16 inch infotainment system (neither do I but enough consumers do that you cant get one without anymore).
Ultimately its the consumers choice and I am completely fine with that.
Wdym bad example, you just gave another good example of how the quality of things keep going down while prices for them keep going up? And yes regulations are bad, like the fake safety requirements they put on foreign cars so Americans are forced to buy inferior American cars.
Like imagine if Chinese EVs were allowed to be sold in America, that would be completion for Tesla which would mean we as consumers will be allowed the choice to pick the better product, but they don't allow us to because it was made illegal. Your point strengthens my point?
BYD specifically is like one area I do support tariffs. I don't know enough about it but if its state sponsored industrial dumping that should be tariffed.
That said if there is zero state support and BYD is just an organically growing company than yes tariffs against thema re bad.
It's irrelevant if YOU spend money on it if the majority of morons still clap and hand over cash. Why would a business waste time trying to cater to more discerning individuals when it's far more profitable to make lazy trash? You will get nothing and you will have to like it.
This AI shit looks better than any Western media in the last 10 years. If people can start easily making media of this quality from, we can kill the big studio jews.
nothing funnier than seeing artcels cope about ai as they are being replaced. The true artists will still be relevant, but AI will make the slop artist obsolete in the comming years. why pay 100-200 buck for a commision when ai can do a better job for free in most cases
It's basically a bunch of maths that have been fed a bajillion images until It can recognize the underlying fundamentals you would typically lean in school or apprenticeship, because of it being a bunch of repeating patterns. Then someone uses the math to input prompts that match those patterns and it spits out images based on whatever it's been trained on.
It's just sad that one of the first things to lose 90% of employment is going to be artists. I mean they already had it rough, and it's nice having a society where people can do what they love.
I mean, it isn't like they won't be able to do what they love, they will just not get money if they aren't really good at it (not saying I agree or not with Ai drawings, just saying that you make it sound like they won't be able to draw)
Ai corporate dystopia is just like the current but with a lot more homeless and dirt poor people because AI stole all their jobs. The rich get even richer too
The AI didn't steal jobs, in the same way the oxen, then later tractors, didn't steal jobs from farmhands.
Adapt or get left behind, the world moves fast
I mean, yeah. But there’s a time where there’s so much automation that no one will have a job, when is it enough? When no one has jobs and there’s economic collapse because no one buys anything because no one has money?
When noone has jobs, and since everything is produced almost for free, the government gives out free food and stuff since it's made with zero costs. People act like having to spend most of your time working just to live is a good thing that ai will take from us, when in fact it's a chore we are forced to do and would gladly give to robots instead
Lmao you’re way too optimistic to think that they’d just give out free shit instead of letting poor people die and enjoying everything the world has to offer to themselves
Except it won't because it can and will only ever know what we can teach it. Sure, it can have way more throughput than an individual human could, but it will never be able to "think ahead" or adapt to any situation like a human can.
AI will replace some people, thats inevitable. Imo, the sooner we can replace menial, tedious jobs with AI, the sooner we can focus on more important stuff.
I'm pretty sure that this is a hand drawn picture shopped into AI, it's way less funny, but to this day AI can't do lined paper properly and no AI does that lighting including the one they pretend did it here.
True, but amateurs being able to make a living by selling art online is a fairly recent thing. We always had street artists selling caricatures and similar stuff and the AI can’t replace them (at least for now) because their craft is physical. In the time before the internet the struggling artists still managed to get buy, the difference now is that the field went back to being extremely competitive.
This also proves to be a huge opportunity for the less artistically inclined to create stuff. Imagine how many people with cool stories to tell can now use AI to assist them in making their own comics and visual novels!
Exactly. People will complain that AI art is shitty, then in the next breath say they can't compete with it. If you're worth half a damn you wouldn't feel threatened by AI mopping up the slop work.
The point is that AI art is garbage, but the average consumer does not care and will settle for fast and cheap, leaving no incentive to care about quality leading to the enshittification of everything.
Ghibli art filter has not captured a lot of things about Miyazaki and the Ghibli style. No flying machines, no weapons of war, no pre-war European aesthetic, no cute critters. AI couldn't come up with the Horseclaw. Even the most basic animation ticks like a character's hair fluffing up when they're angry,
Miyazaki's fasciantion with chase sequences and running.
Does that matter to the average consumer? No. But the artist who takes time to care will be priced out.
Fucking duh of course AI-ghiblification doesn't include flying machines, or weapons of war, or strange creatures because people using it are just turning memes that don't include that stuff into ghibli-esque pictures. Why would the AI randomly shoe horn in all that stuff if it isn't being specifically prompted to.
If I were to ask a human being to draw me in a Studio Ghibli style, a human being probably would not transform a photo 1-to-1. I could be shoehorned into Porco Rosso's plane, I could be working in the boiler with soot sprites, if it was a wedding photo, an artist might choose to draw me and my wife wearing the same clothes as Howl and Sophie. If I had to draw an angry 4chan post, like in the OP's picture, I would reference Calcifer and other small critters, but as it stands the actual picture generated with no photo reference does not feel like Ghibli at all.
A human being with artistic license can make thoughtful references to the aesthetic. Of course, I know very well the AI filter is not going to do that, it can't. But subject matter is part of an aesthetic, a human artist will naturally control and choose that.
An AI filter presents a kind of false objectivity, it changes things exactly and does not add, because you can't trust it to add. So Ghibli style becomes hollow. A computer did it, that's the Ghibli aesthetic. I asked ChatGPT and he said it's true. Before AI, photographs presented a kind of objectivity, a photo = what we actually saw. Except cameras need a professional lighting set up, the lens may distort a face's shape, a camera can't choose what facial features are flattering, etc.
Classic snobbery. You say yourself it doesn't matter to the average consumer. So then ... who fucking cares? The 'average consumer' shouldn't have access to art that meets their needs, because you want to protect some 'elite class' who provide these details that you yourself describe as unnecessary?
And then at the same time, you also recognize the role of the artist even in the world of AI. You're right, AI can't come up with the actual ideas such as whatever the fuck a Horseclaw is. So real artists can still come up with original ideas and just use AI as a tool to turn them into reality. I'm not sure you've thought any of this through, I think you're just parroting a popular 'AI is garbage' position you've seen other people posting.
I would love nothing more than all these things to matter to the average consumer. I want more people to care about these things, and I think it causes a lot of anger to the anti-AI side to realise that people will settle for garbage.
Can you really read all the things I've written and say they are "unnecessary details"? These are the very basics of what makes Ghibli movies so beautiful. The whole reason Ghibli style is a thing is because these movies are known for their thoughtful care and production unlike 99% of anime crap. If the people at Ghibli thought they were superficial details that could be left out no one would care about Ghibli. It's hard to believe you care about art if the essence of an aesthetic is a bunch of stuff that doesn't matter to you.
I'm not sure you've thought any of this through, I think you're just parroting a popular 'AI is garbage' position you've seen other people posting.
That's quite funny because you're parroting the same "AI will democratize art" position I've heard from countless people. How does it do that? All I've seen is people making shitposts. I agree that AI can be a tool to make art. But in your view, only the "elite class" of "real artists" who have the creativity to rise above AI will survive. That's not democracy that's darwinism.
I hate to be the one to tell you this, but all creative work is already based on 'darwinism'. The idea of 'democratized' creative industry is not true now and nor has it ever been - few succeed and most fail. The money for creatives has never been spread evenly across everyone who gives it a go, it mostly goes to a very select few who manage to succeed.
You also seem to be taking the bizarre stance that this will somehow replace major studios like Ghibli. This is a complete strawman argument, no one is saying that but you. What this will replace is the secondary industry of people who make money on commissioned work, charging people to draw Mario fisting Sonic or whatever. Like a lot of professional roles, these people make money as they can do something that others can't. So if now someone can access the art they can imagine but never had the technical skill to create themselves, without having to pay someone else to do it, then that is more democratized, not less.
What other industry would you be this protectionist about? Do you exclusively go to tailors to lessen the damage that cheap industrialized factory-made clothing has had on their industry? Do you never go to supermarkets, to support butchers and greengrocers? Do you think DIY is unfair because it puts builders and handymen out of work? I really don't see how you can justify telling people not to see their ideas realized through the accessibility provided by AI tools and instead insisting they leave it to the professionals.
I hate to be the one to tell you this, but all creative work is already based on 'darwinism'. The idea of 'democratized' creative industry is not true now and nor has it ever been - few succeed and most fail.
Yeah ok, and how is AI going to help democratize this industry? Before, only a few could succeed, and now AI is a free alternative. Is that doing these guys any favours?
When big corpos find an alternative that is cheap and fast and doesn't rely on human talent, they are going to go for that. There is very little incentive for investors to care about maintaining what used to be the standard.
You also seem to be taking the bizarre stance that this will somehow replace major studios like Ghibli.
No, I said it is going to lead to enshittification. An example of this is CGI. Nausicaa was famous for the hand drawn scene of the God Warrior, but in Mononoke, a similar molten monster was done by computer. And Ghibli is one of the few studios that actually tries to make the CGI not look like visually jarring abominations. I'd love to watch a new movie that's hand drawn, but the free market ain't free and technology making art forms incredibly obscure is a pattern that has been going on for a long time. Read any illuminated manuscripts lately?
What other industry would you be this protectionist about?
This is the same line I've heard from the AI crowd. Art and other entertainment is a luxury. Unlike clothes and groceries I don't need it to survive in society. I can very easily afford to be picky about the art I want to see, and I am.
Do you exclusively go to tailors to lessen the damage that cheap industrialized factory-made clothing has had on their industry? Do you never go to supermarkets, to support butchers and greengrocers?
This is a really bad example because yeah fast fashion is absolutely a problem that more people should be aware of. Supporting your local butcher, fishmonger, and greengrocer and getting fresh food is absolutely a rewarding experience. These are all upgrades to your life, they benefit the environment and community.
So if now someone can access the art they can imagine but never had the technical skill to create themselves, without having to pay someone else to do it, then that is more democratized, not less.
Now we all know that drawing a picture does not cost a lot of money. Anyone can get a pencil, a crayon, an iPad, whatever, and make the art themselves. There was never any sort of gatekeeping. "Yeah but if I do it, it won't look good" Yeah, I'm saying that I'm not impressed by AI art either.
I really don't see how you can justify telling people not to see their ideas realized through the accessibility provided by AI tools and instead insisting they leave it to the professionals.
Ok let's break it down: I have a Ghibli movie imagined in my head and I can't draw it out. I take photos and put them through an AI filter. The pictures are inconsistent, they are generic and lack what I believe to be the cool parts of Ghibli. Ghibli movies are known for their detail and care, while it actually does take a lot of effort and a bit of know how to train an AI model to make a consistent character design. (ChatGPT is probably not gonna have that for a while)
If I see no problem and accept everything spat out to me, then my artistic vision was really weak. I mean, good for you if you want to entertain yourself? It's got nothing to do with me. But if I want consistent character design, or really more specificity in general, I need to start doing things manually. I gotta break out photoshop, i gotta start using the smudge tool. Guess what? You've officially joined the ranks of the "professionals".
Fair point. Can’t we hate on both the slop artist and the AI users though, since they both suck? What kind of loser is paying a rando on the internet 200 bucks for some shitty commission
People talking about it devaluing art and shit. Like if you honestly believe this glorified snapchat filter devalues Princess Mononoke then I don't know what to tell you.
it can replace them because its FREE. thats the difference, why would you pay for slop when you can just get it for free and also it can work significantly faster than any single artist can
In the future, the only "true artists" you'll have are the ones coming from affluent backgrounds who had the time and resources to practice. The small gigs new artists use to build their talent are what's being replaced.
the problem is cameras cant replicate everything, different art styles were still able to exist. but ai can replicate everything, if some new type of revolutionary art style appeared, an ai would be able to copy it. with that being said, it's not going to go away, so artists should stop fighting against it.
The ai will filter out the slop artists, and anything genuinely good will rise to the top
That being said the average consumer will happily eat slop trash any day of the week, so i also wouldnt doubt it if the overall quality and creativity of art, movies, games etc. Starts to tank as gime goes on
So it might end up being the kind of thing where there is an era of genuine slop trash, and then "good" media is rediscovered, and effort starts being put into things again when it gets bad enough
Or all the people who care kill themselves, and the slop enjoyers get darwin'ed to the top
I work in an area heavily affected by automation about 6-8 years ago; these are the same chucklefucks that were telling the people in my field to learn to code. So yes, I will enjoy it while they get their turn at being replaced.
Artists hate AI to the same degree that tailors hated the sewing machine and cavalry hated automobiles. Hell, archers hated crossbowmen 1500 years ago.
Same thing happened over a century ago when photography threatened the livelihood of portrait painters, then again when electrinic music threatened traditional musicians, then again when digital art software threatened painters and other traditional methods.
Every time it had an impact on reducing but not eliminating the profession but making the medium more widely accessible for cheaper.
Oh? And if produce the entire lord of the rings trilogy where nobody is wearing pants, and robes are cut at the chest? What shall be your verdict, when the sea of hobbits dangly bits jiggle relentlessly across your screen?
Would be pretty cool if you can have custom responses to NPC’s and AI could generate responses and quests based off that. I think the skies the limit for video games, just needs a few more years to become more refined.
Though unfortunately you’re probably right, instead of making cool shit they’ll just be lazy and make the same games with worse quality
I hope this can become a useful tool allowing people like special effects artists to do more with less man hours since that's so often the limiting factor to good work, but I fear executives will use it like a hammer with ever project being a nail.
Yes, John Ghibli, the founder of "Studio Ghibli" and inventor of "anime" is known for his unique and pioneering animation style.
Recently an AI was released for general public use that can do in 30 seconds what it took John like 40 years of training to accomplish, so naturally people living paycheck to paycheck are volunteering their time to be upset on behalf of someone else
From what I know, it's some anime studio that made some really well-animated movies or something so people treat their works as cult-classics or whatever.
It's not gonna be 6 months because new products come out way too fucking fast. In 2 months, new AI will come out that will do something else that is cool, then after 2 more months, an open source model will come out that will allow NSFW so people will be turning pictures into scenes from a porno or will rerobe people and turn them into anime girls.
Alternative_Border29@reddit
AI is never going to replace human artists completely. It's like how the microwave didn't replace the traditional oven. I don't wanna go to school for drawing for 2 years just to be able to shitpost, which is what AI will primarily be used for.
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hh26@reddit
This. I was never going to pay $100 to commission someone to make my shitpost for me. No artist is losing any income on my behalf. I was just going to make fewer of them and they were going to be abysmal stick figures and/or hack photoshops. Now they'll be hilarious AI slop.
Sarojh-M@reddit
Rude awakening incoming for the people who cheer on AI suddenly notice their favorite media and/or franchises tank in quality even more than before
lemongrenade@reddit
Ultimately that’s up to us. If ai produced shit sucks I won’t spend money on it and if it enhances then I will.
Sarojh-M@reddit
The shit the average consumer buys is always the worst quality thing compared to what the real quality stuff is, as they will always make lower quality stuff standard to hoarde the quality stuff you don't even know exist as it starts to become an elite only thing. It's not "doomposting" or anything, It's just the natural part of the downward spiral of things always getting worse yet more expensive at the same time.
Cars are a great example, you'll never be able to get a proper off the grid car anymore, just American bloatware plasticware "smartcar" garbage that isn't built to last anymore, so you'll have to pay a fortune to enjoy the luxuries our grandfathers enjoyed at a penny.
Sploinky-dooker@reddit
>cars are a good example
Every time I sit in a car that's 10 years older it's so fucking bad compared to any modern car. I'm not sure why you think this is a good example.
Sarojh-M@reddit
If you know you know, and you clearly don't. This doesn't apply to your NPC life style
Sploinky-dooker@reddit
You sound like an NPC if you think cars are getting worse.
lemongrenade@reddit
Cars are a bad example because the consumer keeps demanding more and more shit in them along with regulations. Our grandparents cars didn't have nearly the amount of safety requirements and pappy also didnt need a 16 inch infotainment system (neither do I but enough consumers do that you cant get one without anymore).
Ultimately its the consumers choice and I am completely fine with that.
Sarojh-M@reddit
Wdym bad example, you just gave another good example of how the quality of things keep going down while prices for them keep going up? And yes regulations are bad, like the fake safety requirements they put on foreign cars so Americans are forced to buy inferior American cars.
Like imagine if Chinese EVs were allowed to be sold in America, that would be completion for Tesla which would mean we as consumers will be allowed the choice to pick the better product, but they don't allow us to because it was made illegal. Your point strengthens my point?
lemongrenade@reddit
BYD specifically is like one area I do support tariffs. I don't know enough about it but if its state sponsored industrial dumping that should be tariffed.
That said if there is zero state support and BYD is just an organically growing company than yes tariffs against thema re bad.
keeleon@reddit
It's irrelevant if YOU spend money on it if the majority of morons still clap and hand over cash. Why would a business waste time trying to cater to more discerning individuals when it's far more profitable to make lazy trash? You will get nothing and you will have to like it.
HalOver9000ECH@reddit
Hollywood and Mobile games are already mass slop tier.
Also I haven't bought a full price triple AAA game on release since Skyrim in 2011. Or payed to see a new movie in almost as long.
More slop will just make the Elden Rings and Hollow Knights stand out more.
Or another shovel ware video game crash situation.
LoLFlore@reddit
Elden Ring is a triple AAA game dipshit
Weepinbellend01@reddit
Not American though tbf.
LoLFlore@reddit
So?
Place, Japan energy here.
Ok_Art6263@reddit
Brother, people that supports AI gen art does not have favorite media. They usually spend their time arguing on the internet.
doxenking@reddit
New media sucks anyways and I don't watch it, so joke's on them.
Sarojh-M@reddit
note the "even more than before" part
vmpafq@reddit
This AI shit looks better than any Western media in the last 10 years. If people can start easily making media of this quality from, we can kill the big studio jews.
ChetSteadman42069@reddit
oh no. not my heckin content!!!! What am i going to consume now? I need to consumer media and buy product!!!!
Sarojh-M@reddit
How's your lack of a relationship going, those hikes aren't gonna make you feel less lonely.
52-75-73-74-79@reddit
I present! The power of!
PROJECTION!!!
zuppa_de_tortellini@reddit
You think marvel fans will be able to differentiate an AI red hulk from one made by an underpaid pajeet?
Sarojh-M@reddit
Aren't pajeets the ones pushing all the Ai stuff anyway lol
Mama_Mega@reddit
Modern art fucking su- wait a minute, I already knew this and started looking to the past🤷♀️
VegetablePlane9983@reddit
nothing funnier than seeing artcels cope about ai as they are being replaced. The true artists will still be relevant, but AI will make the slop artist obsolete in the comming years. why pay 100-200 buck for a commision when ai can do a better job for free in most cases
Pytalovec@reddit
B-buh-but the soul!111
BornWithSideburns@reddit
I have yet to see someone explain to me why AI art is real art. Same for why it isnt.
Intelligent_Tip_6886@reddit
It's basically a bunch of maths that have been fed a bajillion images until It can recognize the underlying fundamentals you would typically lean in school or apprenticeship, because of it being a bunch of repeating patterns. Then someone uses the math to input prompts that match those patterns and it spits out images based on whatever it's been trained on.
Calm-9738@reddit
Thats just because you are a bad philosopher
MagicalSenpai@reddit
It's just sad that one of the first things to lose 90% of employment is going to be artists. I mean they already had it rough, and it's nice having a society where people can do what they love.
Payment_Abject@reddit
I mean, it isn't like they won't be able to do what they love, they will just not get money if they aren't really good at it (not saying I agree or not with Ai drawings, just saying that you make it sound like they won't be able to draw)
reddit_has_fallenoff@reddit
Nothing like seeing a 4channer celebrating the ai corporate dystopia.
anchovyenthusiast@reddit
As opposed to the current corporate dystopia
11freebird@reddit
Ai corporate dystopia is just like the current but with a lot more homeless and dirt poor people because AI stole all their jobs. The rich get even richer too
Clicky27@reddit
The AI didn't steal jobs, in the same way the oxen, then later tractors, didn't steal jobs from farmhands.
Adapt or get left behind, the world moves fast
11freebird@reddit
I mean, yeah. But there’s a time where there’s so much automation that no one will have a job, when is it enough? When no one has jobs and there’s economic collapse because no one buys anything because no one has money?
VxXenoXxV@reddit
When noone has jobs, and since everything is produced almost for free, the government gives out free food and stuff since it's made with zero costs. People act like having to spend most of your time working just to live is a good thing that ai will take from us, when in fact it's a chore we are forced to do and would gladly give to robots instead
DeJay323@reddit
What world do you live in
11freebird@reddit
Lmao you’re way too optimistic to think that they’d just give out free shit instead of letting poor people die and enjoying everything the world has to offer to themselves
MagicalSenpai@reddit
But Ai will literally be better at anything we adapt to do.
Clicky27@reddit
Except it won't because it can and will only ever know what we can teach it. Sure, it can have way more throughput than an individual human could, but it will never be able to "think ahead" or adapt to any situation like a human can.
AI will replace some people, thats inevitable. Imo, the sooner we can replace menial, tedious jobs with AI, the sooner we can focus on more important stuff.
Yokoko44@reddit
Just get a job integrating AI into a desperate company in need of it. That’s what I did
MikuEmpowered@reddit
It's a dying trade trying to prevent their irrelevancy.
There will still be a need for artist, especially designers, but the bar just got risen higher.
Also, porn industry is going to be booming, and we all know what happens when you stand infront of that industries progress.
OmgJustLetMeExist@reddit
Having the inherently wrong opinion on something is basically a right of passage to becoming a 4channer
VegetablePlane9983@reddit
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fliquidzulu.github.io%2Fai-art%2F&psig=AOvVaw0RBVfyp-5HO_6P9rEEUjQT&ust=1743256464448000&source=images&cd=vfe&opi=89978449&ved=0CBQQjRxqFwoTCKjS2MX2rIwDFQAAAAAdAAAAABAE
exibit A
Ok_WaterStarBoy3@reddit
Did Brian Griffin make that comment?
other-other-user@reddit
Omg that's what it is. All the AI haters reminded me of something, and you have made it clear. They are literally acting like Brian
Tommysrx@reddit
VegetablePlane9983@reddit
its just retarded artcels who think they are god's gift to humanity
UltraTiberious@reddit
It insists upon itself
FaZeKill23@reddit
How the fuck did It get the yellow/indoor photo lighting
Khalixs1@reddit
I'm pretty sure that this is a hand drawn picture shopped into AI, it's way less funny, but to this day AI can't do lined paper properly and no AI does that lighting including the one they pretend did it here.
DrDMango@reddit
Lots of ohotos like this are taken Yellow, I guess ..
Gemini_Of_Wallstreet@reddit
rofl. i'm fucking dead, saved the pick thanks
OmgJustLetMeExist@reddit
That head is WAY too accurately shaped to be a toddler drawing.
FeeblyBee@reddit
post factum
Phendrana-Drifter@reddit
Legendary post
TruestNestor@reddit
Iron-Fist@reddit
The problem being that the pipeline to "true artist" is almost entirely practicing as a slop artist for years and years
HzPips@reddit
True, but amateurs being able to make a living by selling art online is a fairly recent thing. We always had street artists selling caricatures and similar stuff and the AI can’t replace them (at least for now) because their craft is physical. In the time before the internet the struggling artists still managed to get buy, the difference now is that the field went back to being extremely competitive.
This also proves to be a huge opportunity for the less artistically inclined to create stuff. Imagine how many people with cool stories to tell can now use AI to assist them in making their own comics and visual novels!
Iron-Fist@reddit
If you're making a living off it, you aren't an amateur.
Yes, the slop mentioned previously. Literally no one wants it.
Funny-Control-6968@reddit
Then what's the issue? Means no jobs will be lost.
Snoo_46397@reddit
"Imagine how much more slop people will create!"
GenTycho@reddit
People that use ai dont deserve to make money off it. Its sad enough re*ards have patreons for copy pasted ai slop.
back_reggin@reddit
Exactly. People will complain that AI art is shitty, then in the next breath say they can't compete with it. If you're worth half a damn you wouldn't feel threatened by AI mopping up the slop work.
SPMicron@reddit
The point is that AI art is garbage, but the average consumer does not care and will settle for fast and cheap, leaving no incentive to care about quality leading to the enshittification of everything.
Ghibli art filter has not captured a lot of things about Miyazaki and the Ghibli style. No flying machines, no weapons of war, no pre-war European aesthetic, no cute critters. AI couldn't come up with the Horseclaw. Even the most basic animation ticks like a character's hair fluffing up when they're angry, Miyazaki's fasciantion with chase sequences and running.
Does that matter to the average consumer? No. But the artist who takes time to care will be priced out.
-SKYMEAT-@reddit
Fucking duh of course AI-ghiblification doesn't include flying machines, or weapons of war, or strange creatures because people using it are just turning memes that don't include that stuff into ghibli-esque pictures. Why would the AI randomly shoe horn in all that stuff if it isn't being specifically prompted to.
What you're saying doesn't make any sense.
SPMicron@reddit
If I were to ask a human being to draw me in a Studio Ghibli style, a human being probably would not transform a photo 1-to-1. I could be shoehorned into Porco Rosso's plane, I could be working in the boiler with soot sprites, if it was a wedding photo, an artist might choose to draw me and my wife wearing the same clothes as Howl and Sophie. If I had to draw an angry 4chan post, like in the OP's picture, I would reference Calcifer and other small critters, but as it stands the actual picture generated with no photo reference does not feel like Ghibli at all.
A human being with artistic license can make thoughtful references to the aesthetic. Of course, I know very well the AI filter is not going to do that, it can't. But subject matter is part of an aesthetic, a human artist will naturally control and choose that.
An AI filter presents a kind of false objectivity, it changes things exactly and does not add, because you can't trust it to add. So Ghibli style becomes hollow. A computer did it, that's the Ghibli aesthetic. I asked ChatGPT and he said it's true. Before AI, photographs presented a kind of objectivity, a photo = what we actually saw. Except cameras need a professional lighting set up, the lens may distort a face's shape, a camera can't choose what facial features are flattering, etc.
back_reggin@reddit
Classic snobbery. You say yourself it doesn't matter to the average consumer. So then ... who fucking cares? The 'average consumer' shouldn't have access to art that meets their needs, because you want to protect some 'elite class' who provide these details that you yourself describe as unnecessary?
And then at the same time, you also recognize the role of the artist even in the world of AI. You're right, AI can't come up with the actual ideas such as whatever the fuck a Horseclaw is. So real artists can still come up with original ideas and just use AI as a tool to turn them into reality. I'm not sure you've thought any of this through, I think you're just parroting a popular 'AI is garbage' position you've seen other people posting.
SPMicron@reddit
I would love nothing more than all these things to matter to the average consumer. I want more people to care about these things, and I think it causes a lot of anger to the anti-AI side to realise that people will settle for garbage.
Can you really read all the things I've written and say they are "unnecessary details"? These are the very basics of what makes Ghibli movies so beautiful. The whole reason Ghibli style is a thing is because these movies are known for their thoughtful care and production unlike 99% of anime crap. If the people at Ghibli thought they were superficial details that could be left out no one would care about Ghibli. It's hard to believe you care about art if the essence of an aesthetic is a bunch of stuff that doesn't matter to you.
That's quite funny because you're parroting the same "AI will democratize art" position I've heard from countless people. How does it do that? All I've seen is people making shitposts. I agree that AI can be a tool to make art. But in your view, only the "elite class" of "real artists" who have the creativity to rise above AI will survive. That's not democracy that's darwinism.
back_reggin@reddit
I hate to be the one to tell you this, but all creative work is already based on 'darwinism'. The idea of 'democratized' creative industry is not true now and nor has it ever been - few succeed and most fail. The money for creatives has never been spread evenly across everyone who gives it a go, it mostly goes to a very select few who manage to succeed.
You also seem to be taking the bizarre stance that this will somehow replace major studios like Ghibli. This is a complete strawman argument, no one is saying that but you. What this will replace is the secondary industry of people who make money on commissioned work, charging people to draw Mario fisting Sonic or whatever. Like a lot of professional roles, these people make money as they can do something that others can't. So if now someone can access the art they can imagine but never had the technical skill to create themselves, without having to pay someone else to do it, then that is more democratized, not less.
What other industry would you be this protectionist about? Do you exclusively go to tailors to lessen the damage that cheap industrialized factory-made clothing has had on their industry? Do you never go to supermarkets, to support butchers and greengrocers? Do you think DIY is unfair because it puts builders and handymen out of work? I really don't see how you can justify telling people not to see their ideas realized through the accessibility provided by AI tools and instead insisting they leave it to the professionals.
SPMicron@reddit
Yeah ok, and how is AI going to help democratize this industry? Before, only a few could succeed, and now AI is a free alternative. Is that doing these guys any favours?
When big corpos find an alternative that is cheap and fast and doesn't rely on human talent, they are going to go for that. There is very little incentive for investors to care about maintaining what used to be the standard.
No, I said it is going to lead to enshittification. An example of this is CGI. Nausicaa was famous for the hand drawn scene of the God Warrior, but in Mononoke, a similar molten monster was done by computer. And Ghibli is one of the few studios that actually tries to make the CGI not look like visually jarring abominations. I'd love to watch a new movie that's hand drawn, but the free market ain't free and technology making art forms incredibly obscure is a pattern that has been going on for a long time. Read any illuminated manuscripts lately?
This is the same line I've heard from the AI crowd. Art and other entertainment is a luxury. Unlike clothes and groceries I don't need it to survive in society. I can very easily afford to be picky about the art I want to see, and I am.
This is a really bad example because yeah fast fashion is absolutely a problem that more people should be aware of. Supporting your local butcher, fishmonger, and greengrocer and getting fresh food is absolutely a rewarding experience. These are all upgrades to your life, they benefit the environment and community.
Now we all know that drawing a picture does not cost a lot of money. Anyone can get a pencil, a crayon, an iPad, whatever, and make the art themselves. There was never any sort of gatekeeping. "Yeah but if I do it, it won't look good" Yeah, I'm saying that I'm not impressed by AI art either.
Ok let's break it down: I have a Ghibli movie imagined in my head and I can't draw it out. I take photos and put them through an AI filter. The pictures are inconsistent, they are generic and lack what I believe to be the cool parts of Ghibli. Ghibli movies are known for their detail and care, while it actually does take a lot of effort and a bit of know how to train an AI model to make a consistent character design. (ChatGPT is probably not gonna have that for a while)
If I see no problem and accept everything spat out to me, then my artistic vision was really weak. I mean, good for you if you want to entertain yourself? It's got nothing to do with me. But if I want consistent character design, or really more specificity in general, I need to start doing things manually. I gotta break out photoshop, i gotta start using the smudge tool. Guess what? You've officially joined the ranks of the "professionals".
Accomplished-Tap8598@reddit
the ghibli crap is hilarious
some /tv/ anon made a whole compilation and honestly it made me smile
jakegore99@reddit
Fair point. Can’t we hate on both the slop artist and the AI users though, since they both suck? What kind of loser is paying a rando on the internet 200 bucks for some shitty commission
keeleon@reddit
Why? And how will the average consumer differentiate them?
CFogan@reddit
People talking about it devaluing art and shit. Like if you honestly believe this glorified snapchat filter devalues Princess Mononoke then I don't know what to tell you.
SwansongForARaven@reddit
If its really slop then how can it replace them? Therefore their work must be worse than slop
SalvationSycamore@reddit
VegetablePlane9983@reddit
it can replace them because its FREE. thats the difference, why would you pay for slop when you can just get it for free and also it can work significantly faster than any single artist can
endlessnamelesskat@reddit
Point is it's slop that you can get an unlimited supply of and tweak to your heart's content
nullv@reddit
In the future, the only "true artists" you'll have are the ones coming from affluent backgrounds who had the time and resources to practice. The small gigs new artists use to build their talent are what's being replaced.
GandalfTheGay_69@reddit
These mouthbreathers online also act like people used to commission a fucking artist to make a meme/social media post.
rosemary5368141@reddit
By their logic we never should’ve kept cameras.
somehuman16@reddit
the problem is cameras cant replicate everything, different art styles were still able to exist. but ai can replicate everything, if some new type of revolutionary art style appeared, an ai would be able to copy it. with that being said, it's not going to go away, so artists should stop fighting against it.
Prcrstntr@reddit
Hope it gets furry artists to check out. And by check out I mean play sudoku
BlindStark@reddit
Will someone think of the ms paint furry artists?!?
mynameisjoeeeeeee@reddit
Both pro and anti ai people are retarded
The ai will filter out the slop artists, and anything genuinely good will rise to the top
That being said the average consumer will happily eat slop trash any day of the week, so i also wouldnt doubt it if the overall quality and creativity of art, movies, games etc. Starts to tank as gime goes on
So it might end up being the kind of thing where there is an era of genuine slop trash, and then "good" media is rediscovered, and effort starts being put into things again when it gets bad enough
Or all the people who care kill themselves, and the slop enjoyers get darwin'ed to the top
Acceptable-Alarm-796@reddit
I work in an area heavily affected by automation about 6-8 years ago; these are the same chucklefucks that were telling the people in my field to learn to code. So yes, I will enjoy it while they get their turn at being replaced.
AlphaMassDeBeta@reddit
Good thing I got kicked out of art school. That would've been a waste of time and money.
Now, it's time to get into politics 😎
Mekosaurus_Rexus@reddit
I think you skipped the "fighting and gettin a wound in a world war" part.
SalvationSycamore@reddit
Don't worry the current administration is on the fast track to helping him with that
AlphaMassDeBeta@reddit
I'd probably just surrender to russia. They have fewer taxes anyway.
DatMysteriousGuy@reddit
Write a book as well.
Funny-Control-6968@reddit
You're well on your way to US congress with that track record.
zuppa_de_tortellini@reddit
I never understood why artists hate AI so much. Maybe try choosing a profession that can’t be done by a robot??
bigtree2x5@reddit
What professions have no robots in it
RoguRawsauce@reddit
swimming
bigtree2x5@reddit
boat
BialyKrytyk@reddit
Become a sailor
Nearsighted_Beholder@reddit
Artists hate AI to the same degree that tailors hated the sewing machine and cavalry hated automobiles. Hell, archers hated crossbowmen 1500 years ago.
endlessnamelesskat@reddit
Same thing happened over a century ago when photography threatened the livelihood of portrait painters, then again when electrinic music threatened traditional musicians, then again when digital art software threatened painters and other traditional methods.
Every time it had an impact on reducing but not eliminating the profession but making the medium more widely accessible for cheaper.
KiborgPolicajac@reddit
I bet my house that someone in the original thread recognized the original movie
nate92@reddit
I thought it was some Keanu movie movie, but looking at it again, that's got to be a porno right?
Glum-Bus-6526@reddit
It's a Keanu movie, Knock Knock.
YorkPorkWasTaken@reddit
So anon's favorite movie is Knock Knock? Why is this? Can anyone think of a couple reasons?
Smooth_Review2934@reddit
I'm only concerned about people faking news and framing people for shit. Specially government.
And films and games becoming more artificial and sloppy
izanamilieh@reddit
You forgot your tinfoil hat, nerd.
zuppa_de_tortellini@reddit
Films are already unbelievably sloppy that I doubt AI could make it worse.
philmarcracken@reddit
Oh? And if produce the entire lord of the rings trilogy where nobody is wearing pants, and robes are cut at the chest? What shall be your verdict, when the sea of hobbits dangly bits jiggle relentlessly across your screen?
SonOfThorss@reddit
Would be pretty cool if you can have custom responses to NPC’s and AI could generate responses and quests based off that. I think the skies the limit for video games, just needs a few more years to become more refined.
Though unfortunately you’re probably right, instead of making cool shit they’ll just be lazy and make the same games with worse quality
superduperfish@reddit
I hope this can become a useful tool allowing people like special effects artists to do more with less man hours since that's so often the limiting factor to good work, but I fear executives will use it like a hammer with ever project being a nail.
LeftTailRisk@reddit
They will simply fire the excess artists and pump the money into ads on OnlyFans.
Why produce a Michelin star dish when people are happy with sloppy fries from under the couch? (Now even cheaper to make)
Xutar@reddit
Do you think michelin star meals were ever more popular than mcdonalds? You control your own diet, dumbass.
Dasshteek@reddit
I’m actually excited. Now anything i get accused of with any pics / evidence i can claim was AI doctored.
Coronabandito@reddit
☑️I am not a robot. Checkmate sexhavers.
Deimos_Aeternum@reddit
One day they're telling you "learn to code" and the next they cry and whine when they lose their jobs.
I'm ok with it.
mexicanlefty@reddit
I mean not talking about artcels, but it is painful to see that a new trend in image AI exists and now we have to see everything become that.
somehuman16@reddit
can someone explain this ghilibi shit? why does everyone care about it so much
United_States_ClA@reddit
Yes, John Ghibli, the founder of "Studio Ghibli" and inventor of "anime" is known for his unique and pioneering animation style.
Recently an AI was released for general public use that can do in 30 seconds what it took John like 40 years of training to accomplish, so naturally people living paycheck to paycheck are volunteering their time to be upset on behalf of someone else
Angry_Homer@reddit
Micheal Ghilibi invented lupin the third thats why
GenTycho@reddit
Guarantee youve got something you dont want replaced by AI.
Funny-Control-6968@reddit
From what I know, it's some anime studio that made some really well-animated movies or something so people treat their works as cult-classics or whatever.
I don't know much more than that.
Mekosaurus_Rexus@reddit
Same here mate. Sometimes its hard to keep up with the latest perpetually online circlejerks.
powershiftffs@reddit
Look at it that way - artists are mostly progressives (meaning commies). How is it bad that they lose their income?
NicholasStarfall@reddit
Nah AI is pretty gay
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ihatereddit1352@reddit
the goyim love this
MTGBruhs@reddit
6 months? Lol, we'll be five *Current Things* further by then
Thin-Concentrate5477@reddit
This AI timeline is making me feel like an Illithd, except without the cool psychic powers.
Onesharpman@reddit
Why are people trying to fight against AI? It's not going away. Fucking embrace it already.
milmkyway@reddit
I love AI becuase I can generate endless furry porn of my own obscure waifus in any way I want.
Check and mate, artists
Ultrasupermegaeggs@reddit
RETVRN TO TRADITION oh wait i actually have to make art not just point at the pretty renaissance statues computer please make me funny picture
nicecat1960@reddit
Hollywood types will be replaced by AI slop, and they will have no one to blame but themselves, consume product and its consequences
Ormusn2o@reddit
It's not gonna be 6 months because new products come out way too fucking fast. In 2 months, new AI will come out that will do something else that is cool, then after 2 more months, an open source model will come out that will allow NSFW so people will be turning pictures into scenes from a porno or will rerobe people and turn them into anime girls.
Emergency_Draft1835@reddit
Bloody bastards
Never-Preorder@reddit
Oh my goodness