Balkan Spring page is opened. Thoughts?
Posted by IrresistibleRepublic@reddit | AskBalkans | View on Reddit | 346 comments

Posted by IrresistibleRepublic@reddit | AskBalkans | View on Reddit | 346 comments
Hopeful_Addition7834@reddit
My thought is that there might be a civil war in Hungary any time.
Orban's current main opponent, Magyar, is highly popular among EU leaders. Previously Orban's rule was partly helped by not letting someone be a popular opponent, and convincing people that the leaders accepted by EU would make the country a puppet state.
So now, if someone Ukraine makes a peace deal, and even a smaller version of Ukraine enters the NATO and/or EU, then EU leaders might convince Ukrainians to wage war against Hungary. Magyar plans to join the European Prosecutor's Office, which could authorize EU leaders to remove the prime minister of Hungary any time. If Magyar does that, it might start a civil war; but if Orban somehow stops Magyar from winning on the election, that might also start a civil war.
Orban could have been a classical liberal and nationalist leader, who transformed Hungary into a civic society with a free market and low taxes, but he became the monster he fought against.
Styl_Ianos_@reddit
Lets gooo 🤝👊
Citaku357@reddit
WTF are we doing?!
Ok_Most9088@reddit
Serbia is already protesting..
you can join the students.
Citaku357@reddit
Stfu please
Ok_Most9088@reddit
What do you mean?
All citizens of Kosovo and Metohija are citizens of Serbia..
If you want to support the protests of the students in your own country..
join them..
Citaku357@reddit
Am not a citizen of Serbia and I will never be one because I am already a citizen of Kosovo
Ok_Most9088@reddit
Kosovo is not a country but a territory of the Republic of Serbia under international law to this day. This is confirmed by the UN1244 resolution and many international agreements signed by the representatives of the Albanian people in Kosovo and Metohija.
Other than that, unless you were born in 2008 or later... you 100% already had a passport of the Republic of Serbia.
Citaku357@reddit
Yes Kosovo is definitely part of Serbia, and there is no Border between Kosovo and Serbia lol.
Ok_Most9088@reddit
There are some buildings there placed by the occupying forces of KFOR... yes..
they will be removed quickly once NATO/KFOR leaves..
don't you worry about that.
Literally, the ONLY thing keeping Serbian security forces from returning to Kosovo and Metohija (which they have every right to under the UN1244 resolution signed by NATO as well as ethnic Albanians from Kosovo and Metohija) is KFOR..
aka NATO.
Once they leave..
well..
you know what's coming.
:)
Payback time.
Ok_Most9088@reddit
Images from the PDF files on the same website.
Citaku357@reddit
You and other internet trolls like you can only suck our dicks nothing else 🤣. And NATO isn't leaving any time soon so don't worry about that lol. So keep on dreaming
ectoban@reddit
What do you need to do exactly? The democracy is functioning well, there's freedom of press, there's effective work being done on corruption, the economy is growing fast. Do you want to magically become wealth maybe? Also having a working country isn't only up to the government. It is also up to the people to abide by rules, believe in the institutions, be cultured (in the sense that politics is a private matter not a tribal thing).
Bejliii@reddit
Keep calm and drink coffee
Worried-Carrot1773@reddit
Do you want this in Kosovo as well?
Citaku357@reddit
I mean this situation isn't that good so yes
dont_tread_on_M@reddit
Slow and steady progress is better than revolutions, and we just had a democratic election where the Government lost a lot of seats, so this is really unnecessary and brings nothing.
Prize_Self_6347@reddit
Idiotic. Look at how the Arab Spring turned out.
IrresistibleRepublic@reddit (OP)
Hot take but I think we as Balkans are better at democracy in general
Prize_Self_6347@reddit
Bro Arab dictators were like unelected for thirty years when the Arab Spring happened. Barring maybe RTE, all Balkan leaders were elected/reelected some years ago free and fairly. Just because some people don't like the government's policies doesn't mean they have the right to topple a democratically elected government.
CesedScan@reddit
so according to you, People had no right to topple hitler down because he was democratically elected
caseygloop@reddit
When was that, Adolf Hitler being democratically elected?
Glad_Atmosphere_3942@reddit
Read history bro
caseygloop@reddit
Could you please point me to that, cuz I found that he was second on presidential election in 1932. and that NAZI party won in 1933. but there is no Adolf Hitler being elected by people, you know democratically
Glad_Atmosphere_3942@reddit
Gaslighting about Hitler having nothing to do with NSDAP being elected is wild.
caseygloop@reddit
Well guy who deleted comment said he was elected, I asked where and when, you told me to read history, I basically quoted history to you, and asked where and when was Hitler DEMOCRATICALLY elected....and you are now talking about gaslighting, and it's wild.....
Glad_Atmosphere_3942@reddit
So you are wasting everyone's time by arguing semantics when it's clear which event hitler being democratically elected is referring to. Got it. Literally just pointless arguing for the sake of arguing
caseygloop@reddit
How is it clear if it never happened....
Glad_Atmosphere_3942@reddit
>How is it clear if it never happened....
1933 elections are what people refer to when they say hitler won democratically. You must be playing dumb on purpose I swear, there is no other explanation.
>I basically quoted history to you
You quoted another election that has nothing to do with anything.
caseygloop@reddit
In the months before the 1933 election, SA and SS displayed "terror, repression and propaganda ... across the land", and Nazi organizations "monitored" the vote process.
That sounds like democracy to you...
Prize_Self_6347@reddit
I haven't any Enabling Act being passed by either Fico or Mitsotakis and the opposition is still there.
IrresistibleRepublic@reddit (OP)
I mean, I'm not sure, look at Serbia for example...
Prize_Self_6347@reddit
Ok, Serbia is a foggy area, but, say, Fico and Mitsotakis were fairly elected some years ago and have the right to want to finish their terms until the next election.
Lothronion@reddit
The ironic thing with those who want the New Democracy Greek government to resign and declare elections now in 2025, is that if they do that, based on the polling studies, they will be re-elected and thus govern until 2029, and not 2027 as they will with their current term. Which extra two years could give them time to bounce back their fallen public support, while if they continuously rule till 2027, public support at that point might be low enough for them to not get a 3rd consecutive election victory and government term. In other words, those who want elections right now, in order to remove the ND democratically, would instead just prolong their governing by at least 2 extra years.
IrresistibleRepublic@reddit (OP)
Sure, I agree
Nevermind2031@reddit
Romania doesnt have free elections you can only vote for the candidates the elites wants you to
RisticJovan@reddit
The last free elections we had in Serbia were held in 2008, and even that is disputable. Since the Radicals took power in 2012, democracy has completely eroded, and I'm not just talking about freedom of speech, access to information or government media ownership, the situation is far more grim. Members of the Serbian opposition are faced with threats, physical violence, their phones are tapped, their nude photos and medical records are leaked by the security service and published by the tabloids. A window of the leader of a local movement from my hometown was shot with a 22LR bullet last week, one local opposition leader was almost murdered by off duty policemen last year. Two opposition politicians were in fact assassinated, one in broad daylight, the other one was found in the Danube. Elections aren't solving anything in our case.
Glad_Atmosphere_3942@reddit
OMG THEY BOTH USED WORD SPRING SO IT MEANS IT'S EQUIVALENT, HOLY SHIT WE HAVE AN EINSTEIN HERE. Actual neanderthal take
avazzzza@reddit
The last spring devestated Arabic countries.you think acting up and vandalizing and eventually causing war is good?
v4f3@reddit
Meanwhile albanians enjoying life 🇦🇱🇽🇰🚬
TheOneWhoDidntCum@reddit
let's go to Sarandë bro
Harmalin@reddit
Albanians dogged the bullet 😂
BardhyliX@reddit
We just had elections, any sort of protests will probably wait until the new government gets into power.
BardhyliX@reddit
But there's defo reasons to protest in Kosovo, rising grocery prices, electricity bill going up( a side effect of certain rats selling our entire industry for cheap to Turk investors)
Smartlmao@reddit
? Your country, Serbia, is already protesting, and there have already been several protests in a handful of municipalities in the Serbian province of Kosovo and Metohija.
burninghead_@reddit
Cant wait till you're on the frontlines unable to play your little gacha games, gonna become a statistic real fast
Smartlmao@reddit
Lmfao, butthurt Albanian terrorist, seen any goats lately?
TheOneWhoDidntCum@reddit
Iron_Born23@reddit
Dont call yor sister a goat is disrespectful
jebusdied444@reddit
Still beating a dead horse, i see. Take care of your domestic problems first instead of hanging on to tired imperialism.
Smartlmao@reddit
Yeah I don't think you really understand what any of the words you used mean.
jebusdied444@reddit
You don't have to like reality, but you do have to abide by it.
Smartlmao@reddit
And what reality are you preaching exactly? The one where terrorists are allowed to occupy a sovereign nation's territory with the help of outside support, ethnically cleanse the people who inhabited the land for centuries, a process that is still ongoing, and declare 'independence'? Regardless of what you may be convinced of, the only people who get a final say in the independence of the terrorist separatist 'state' of 'Kosovo' are the citizens of the Republic of Serbia who are never going to abandon the disempowered and discriminated against Serbs (and other minorities) living in Serbia's southern province, despite the Serbian government's traitorous and indisputable collusion with the people behind the south province's occupation. So cheers mate, and enjoy your tired and fallacious reality 👋
Iron_Born23@reddit
There is always this thing with serbs who try to get victimised while they are agressors. Keep dreaming ruski škije Kosova will never ne yours
Realistic_Length_640@reddit
Hmm, almost like there's an obvious pattern here
Harmalin@reddit
So you mean Albania became so rich they’re financing those revolutions 😵💫🤪. They’re anti Russian revolutions.. I get it
Burazeer@reddit
slovakia?
samodamalo@reddit
Officially part of Balkans just like Portugal
dsilva_Viz@reddit
I was going to say that too ;).
PekiGaming@reddit
R/portugalsyukablat
OddPaleontologist861@reddit
Then please add Hungary as well. We also try to get rid of the government (Orban)
FeijoaCowboy@reddit
It's the third one on the list
Stamy31ytb@reddit
Hungary is on the list already.
El_sapo__@reddit
👉👈
CesedScan@reddit
they are balkan in mind
Personal_Rooster2121@reddit
Austria is full of Balkaners making it balkan => anything east of Austria is Balkan
idders@reddit
Vienna is further east than Zagreb and Prague.
Personal_Rooster2121@reddit
For Zagreb I admit but for Prague nobody says that Czechia is Balkan
Cold-Association6535@reddit
Correct, Czechia is not Balkans.
STRATILAT@reddit
Well, as they say in Berlin: Aferim, efendija! 😂
-Against-All-Gods-@reddit
Gobble gobble, gobble gobble, we accept them, we accept them
caseygloop@reddit
expertSelfSaboteur@reddit
Just from the Romanian perspective, Romania has nothing to do with this article. Based on that alone, I assume the article might be misleading in other ways and I support it being flagged for deletion. With AI spreading easily any information available on the internet, the information we put online must be accurate and objective.
CertifiedCannibal@reddit
We must win brothers!
Street-Selection2516@reddit
Braddarhuud, demokrasi!!
Sacrer@reddit
It's not a choice, it's a necessity. ✊
MethWhizz@reddit
You know what this means guys, hunting season on corrupt bastards is open
elzizooo@reddit
Good morning
lorensodanarhije@reddit
When will the chasing in the streets commence?
tucucipakaki@reddit
It already started https://www.reddit.com/r/serbia/comments/1jgpo4y/počelo_jurenje_po_ulicama_niš_213/
CharacterSherbet7722@reddit
Already did here, wasn't fully common a couple of months ago but they'd still have to be on the streets with a full turtle detachment in a couple of cities
Now it's happening in a lot of towns lol
Cefalopodul@reddit
Pitiful_Day_315@reddit
Alo bračo šta je mi smrdimo. Uz sve vas smo.
Pozdravi iz Hrvatske.
Cold-Association6535@reddit
Cope and wishful thinking. At least in Serbian case.
A truly massive number of people justifiably angry willing to do anything except actually try to win elections (you know, the only way to win and hold power in a democracy).
Djlas@reddit
I think it's a bit far fetched and lumping them together when they're quite unrelated feels a bit artificial.
Kristiano100@reddit
Only the Macedonia and Serbia protests have some relation tbh, and even then the Serbian protests started earlier than us, just since the Kocani fire there’s been a lot of connection with the Serbian protests as the public becomes more unrested here.
AudeDeficere@reddit
Its a timing question. Weather affects politics, just like big sporting events. Sounds odd winter really does often heighten already existing tensions and then the spring season brings them to bear in full force and the streets fill with more people who often latch onto already existing smaller protests etc.
raymondh31lt@reddit
feels very artificial
ivanp359@reddit
My thoughts exactly
CharacterSherbet7722@reddit
Macedonia, Serbia, Turkey and Greece are anti-corruption, they just had a different trigger
Croatia and Bosnia I don't know but the boycott as a way of fighting was adapted as a way of fighting corruption
vanoitran@reddit
I don’t know enough about the rest of the countries, but at least Greece, Serbia, BiH, Turkey, and Slovakia all seem quite similar in purpose.
Greece and Serbia reasons are virtually identical.
CesedScan@reddit
I hope it ends up better than the arab spring
svxae@reddit
it will. arab dictators had oil money. whereas balkans dont. a proper boycott will fuck 'em right up
EducationalWill5465@reddit
Wtf if Egypt or Tunisia or Syria had oil money we wouldn't be this poor
Tonuka_@reddit
Vučić and Erdoğan have the spineless EU to rely on
svxae@reddit
it simply aint enough money from the scraps by the EU
Tonuka_@reddit
I am simply pessimistic at this point.
Final-Nebula-7049@reddit
Or gezi
EconomistOk2745@reddit
Good people from the CIA will make sure...
samir_saritoglu@reddit
To end it with the good result for the USA. Alike Arab spring
PolarBearJ123@reddit
;) always watching
EconomistOk2745@reddit
And as bad as possible for everyone else.
nebanovaniracun@reddit
Spoiler alert: it won't
avaa01@reddit
We have a time traveler over here
nebanovaniracun@reddit
Oops thought that I was on balkans irl sub. My bad, I guess you guys can't take a joke
No_Slide5742@reddit
It's not really the time for jokes is it?
nebanovaniracun@reddit
Why not?
Xelonima@reddit
is erdoğan gone?
Right_Map8151@reddit
United in Inat
looser-turk-cuckson@reddit
? Wait do u know the word inat in Serbian or I m just making up things in my head ?
Right_Map8151@reddit
Yea we use the word Inat but in Serbian it means Spite. I also know that Albanians use it too but it means anger to them if im not mistaken
looser-turk-cuckson@reddit
Oh okay, in Turkish it means being stubborn so I thought u used it as a common word meaning being stubborn against the government in the region lol
dangata_1@reddit
TIL we (Bulgaria) borrowed the word inat from Turkish
namiabamia@reddit
Greek too (ινάτι).
Alone_Power_0@reddit
it's closer to stubborn rather than spite
Right_Map8151@reddit
Oh we use it frequently it just has another meaning. Guess you can say we all have spite for our government
Massive_Emu6682@reddit
Inat has a somewhat resistance conatation too though right? Like I heard "Srpska Inat, Bosanski Inat", it's kinda like a spirit right? A word that kinda hard to translate, or at least thats the vibe that i always get.
Right_Map8151@reddit
Yes you are correct it is hard to translate it is a form of resistance but like resistance to the norm like you have your own personal belief and you want to prove that you are right but adding “nationality” spite is like showing how you show off your spite to others in a more nationalistic or stereotypical way of said “nationality”
HalayChekenKovboy@reddit
We use it as spite too, actually. It can mean stubbornness or spite depending on the context. Divided by borders, united by inat ✊
looser-turk-cuckson@reddit
Spite neydi bacim ?
HalayChekenKovboy@reddit
Birinin inadına bir şey yapmak. Hükûmete inat boykot etmek gibi.
looser-turk-cuckson@reddit
Haaa okey ben sadece inat olarak sifat anlaminda duydum sorry turkcem zayif biraz mercii halay ceken kovboy ( komik ad bu arada )
Loife1@reddit
Yeah, we took it from you
dont_tread_on_M@reddit
Actually in Kosovo we only use it for spite (unless you're trying to speak the standard language).
Ok_Most9088@reddit
Kosovo is a part of Serbia..
dont_tread_on_M@reddit
What ever floats your boat
Ok_Most9088@reddit
Just stating facts.
dont_tread_on_M@reddit
Moer like Serbian imperialist delusions
Ok_Most9088@reddit
You are talking about Serbian imperialist delusions while you just rebelled and stole a massive piece of Serbia not even 3 decades ago...
Ethnically cleansed Kosovo from Serbs in the last 2 decades.. (by force) with direct protection from KFOR..
The brag about creating "Great Schiptaria" everywhere you go?
Starting rebellions in Serbia.. Macedonia.. want to start them in Montenegro.. Greece..
ahahhahah
You forgot about this?
You goatfkrs are laughable literally.
Serbia is defending their territory.. you are the ones with ultra nationalist imperialist delusions..
And yeah.. it ain't happening.
These are and will remain your delusional dreams.
As far as Kosmet, it will be cleansed from rebels soon enough.
Right_Map8151@reddit
Ah i see my bad i read it on reddit a few days ago that you guys use it too but it ment anger.
NotoriousMOT@reddit
We have that word in Bulgaria. It’s very important to us. :-)
BeeNo2959@reddit
Closest i would say is "righteous stubborness" let me give you an example during the nato bombing of serbia people would show up to protest, carrying with them shooting targets, in the "bomb me motherfucker if you dare" sense, because it is morally wrong to target civilians because of the actions of its government, in any other case you would call that crazy but that is the essence of serbian inat
U__X@reddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskBalkans/s/lwAaNC5DJA
looser-turk-cuckson@reddit
Thanks ! That’s funny
ace_098@reddit
Inated
Valkia_Perkunos@reddit
Meanwhile in Bulgaria.....
Open_Satisfaction613@reddit
🇦🇱🇧🇬🇭🇷 are those countries safe or not ?
superminer0506@reddit
Nice, I hope this goes well for you balkaners :)
johndelopoulos@reddit
Ah, another interesting bs. Especially the Greek events have absolutely no connection to the other ones
AntonGraves@reddit
"Balkan Spring" my ass... Everyone is back to his everyday life.
mountainslav@reddit
Serbia, Turkey and Slovakia are not in the Balkans
IrresistibleRepublic@reddit (OP)
Serbia is like the peak of Balkans, what are you talking about?
Total1304@reddit
Don't forget Croatian anti price boycott / and we had healthcare related protests. I agree it was not as big in other countries but we are lazy to go out. But we were mentioning Balkan spring for some time :)
persian_domination@reddit
Can we join?
bikegremlin@reddit
Najebali smo!
LOL :)
djulioo@reddit
Bulgaria: We sleep 😴💤
CorfiotZ@reddit
I think only "spring potential" is in Serbia currently, maybe Turkey too. Also, I don't think events are that interconnected.
ofyellow@reddit
Nope. Also not in Serbia. Especially not there. They are too stupid. Protesters and government. All of them.
ofyellow@reddit
There is no balkan spring.
Like there was no arab spring in 2012.
Balkan will be Balkan. The unwiped anus od the world, irrepairably stupid and disfunctional.
SvalbardCats@reddit
That's kinda what I don't like regarding Wikipedia. Any unofficial and subjective data can be used without any restriction and approval.
I don't want the protests in Balkan to be called "Spring" and compared to the Arab Spring which didn't end up well at all.
AudeDeficere@reddit
Spring revolutions are not associated with the Arab spring alone, in fact it’s a tradition that’s quite old. During the winter discontent about the status quo can grow, people have more time to reflect and when the weather clears up, the tensions erupt and pour on the streets, notable for example in the famous spring of nations.
Naive_Detail390@reddit
Forget about Turkey; Hungary and Slovakia are the ones that shouldn't be there
ObsessedChutoy3@reddit
No it can't. The wikipedia standards require no original research, meaning for the page to be left up it needs to cite academic papers or multiple news articles calling it Balkan Spring. Hence why the same day the page was made it's been nominated for deletion and probably will be. They already changed the name from Balkan Spring to 'Southeast European Protests 2024-present'. This page was made just hours ago before it was posted to reddit, made by redditors, most amateurish wikipedia pages don't last. Unless we were to actually start grouping the protests together IRL in news and media, beyond reddit. Compare it to the very similar '2024-present Serbian anti-corruption protests' page which is an actual article with foundation like the rest of wikipedia. The spring one will be deleted as it stands right now, wikipedia doesn't allow haphazard subjective things that are i invented by r/Europe or whatever
kuzurikuroi@reddit
Yup, idiots calling things that are not. But who knows, maybe someone want simular scenario to happen, cos they see opertunity. Just dont be freaked out id Serbia starts a new world war, cos people, you should not fuck with Serbs.
Ok_Bake_4761@reddit
did you even checked if the wikipedia article is accepted ?
kuzurikuroi@reddit
Does it matter if it is? Calling someone fat joe doesnt mean it will be put on wikipeadia, but it might catch on.
Ok_Bake_4761@reddit
yes it is.
If you see the big banner that the article is probably going to be deleted...would you trust that source ? I assume you are a questioning person and you would not.
You just saw the reddit post here where OP didnt gave any information and went ragebait. Reddit is the problem and you just took the information as something and you are destructivly critisizing without checking it
kuzurikuroi@reddit
No, it doesnt matter. Giving something a name like this wilk pull others to call it like this. And, as someone said on this topic, but diferent sub, arab spring was funded. And since this protests are about taking action against coruption, this bs will give corupt goverment bullets.
Who cares about wiki, you need to see the bigger picture.
Ok_Bake_4761@reddit
I am not denying your specific framing accusation about the word spring. I consider it, since the media is often doing it, as absolutely correct and underline hereby its importance. I was just assuming you criticized the checking/legitimisation capacity of WK. Since this thread's 1st post is doing so.
kuzurikuroi@reddit
Oh, sorry, no, not at all. I really dont care about wiki, cos it is not history yet, its ongoing. This needs to do its deed, and than we can call if what ever you or media wants.
S0n_0f_Anarchy@reddit
There were Springs before an Arab one
Ok_Bake_4761@reddit
also a good point
Ok_Bake_4761@reddit
Even now you could just check wikipedia and you will see it is already critisized by wikipedia authors... so I would consider your critique rather obsolete
IrresistibleRepublic@reddit (OP)
When I saw it it was like 50/50
Ok_Bake_4761@reddit
I think you are free to discuss it there and they might have good arguments for this. Maybe it was already coined before and not the origin of wikipedia
GeorgeChl@reddit
People are focusing too much on the word "spring" comparing it to the Arab Spring.
Just rephrase it in your minds as Balkan "rejuvenation" or "revival" or whatever else and focus on the positive things.
Which is that the people of the Balkans are showing democratic reflexes and are fed up with corruption and their kleptocratic governments.
Hope that continues, and honestly, the demand for elections is not enough for me.
I think for all the Balkan countries, what would really work is emphasizing the rule of law and the independence of the judiciary sector to safeguard it from pressure by corrupt politicians so it can actually do its work.
-ixa-@reddit
I mean, I don't ever get political online nor is this like a political statement, but that is exactly how I perceive the metaphor for a 'spring' in this context, a metamorphosis if you will. It's not in my nature nor desire to pillage and kill like how it went down in Syria for example - I am from Serbia for context. That said, I am not gullible and definitely if the opportunity arose, plenty would opt to pillage and loot and kill (google Kosovo za Patike)
Aegeansunset12@reddit
What kind of revival did you see on the Greek protests ? Winner is a reactionary one issue party that advocated for harsh Grexit in the past, and swap electable positions on the second round of elections to put her personal trainer and her husband on those positions xD. All I heard during the protests was asking for head chopping lol.
GeorgeChl@reddit
I am not a fan of "Plevsi".
My point is don't focus on the name, but focus instead on the happy fact that Balkan societies, despite their cons, are still able to demonstrate democratic reflexes, such anti-corruption and support of the rule of law.
Aegeansunset12@reddit
I don’t think Greek protests were a democratic reflex but I do hope something good comes out of it
Prestigious-Neck8096@reddit
People really should relate it to Spring Time of the Peoples in my opinion. The very word Spring came from the revolutions of 1800's that brought democracy with it so far as I'm concerned, so that should be our ideal.
TheIntruder997@reddit
Meanwhile Albanians are sleeping
Martha_Fockers@reddit
Albanians have a external American German Swedish court processing corruption at 1mph lol
AirialGunner@reddit
The elitist will cause ww3 to make us forget who is the real enemy
No-Writing-68@reddit
Turkey and Slovakia aren't Balkan
ilijadwa@reddit
Everything up to Istanbul in Turkey is part of the Balkans and the protests are happening in Istanbul so it’s relevant
Independent_Pack_311@reddit
Half of istanbul is in the balkans
No-Writing-68@reddit
French Guiana is in south America but we dont say France is south American
Zaiquan@reddit
Turkey is indeed not in the balkans, but without Turkish culture(not the country), there wouldn’t be balkans, even the word itself is Turkish
No-Writing-68@reddit
The word is Turkish but there definitely would be the Balkans. Their culture would be somewhat different but they would exist in one shape or another
ABorikin@reddit
Just hoping something happens in Bulgaria
Able-Mycologist885@reddit
Utre ima protest v 11:00 nedei samo da “hope”vash ami ela i protestirai protiv nasilie nas jivotni
alonreddit@reddit
Come on Bulgaria!
Axil_GR@reddit
Just no. The Greek protests were planned ahead of time and it just happened to coincide with other more recent balkan protests. Is it a spring (comparable to the Arab Spring)? No, the title of the wiki page itself is a fault.
assassin_84953@reddit
Wanna know the funny part?
Us Greeks will re-elect Mitsotakis despite the protests that have been happening lately.
bombosch@reddit
People can protest in any other country except Turkiye.. because police is hitting you like you are nazi’s and taking you to jail straight away..
Why?
Because enemies from outside of country wants to take Erdogan down.
What a shit land now.
caktz@reddit
Did you guys see that they are trying to take down the page. There are already reports of the page to be deleted. They are even corrupting the Wikipedia now 😡
Leading-Scarcity7812@reddit
I’m sure this will not lead to electing more fascists.
Everyone is so woke over there.. We only repeat half of the propaganda revisionist history of our grandparents generation.
MegasKeratas@reddit
This «balkan spring» narrative is forced.
For Greece it was a one-day protest with the only remarquable thing about it being the number of participants (record high). Everything now is back to normal and, according to recent polls, the current government is still leading by a big margin (although their numbers have dropped).
The_Dutch_Fox@reddit
Greece wasn't even a protest per-say, it was a commemoration after the horrible train accident a year ago. Of course, there was a very strong anti-government and anti-corruption sentiment during the event, but it can hardly be compared to Turkey which is a protest in reaction to the leader of the country literally jailing his opposition.
Sacrer@reddit
How did it crack down? We basically became a police state to stop the protests.
MegasKeratas@reddit
People just went home after two hours lol
ipchev@reddit
Bulgaria being late to the party... as always.
GlistunGmizic@reddit
I wish Croatia would join the trend. We're long overdue to raise the voice against HDZ mafia.
Aleksandar_Pa@reddit
Ah yes, Bratislava.
My favourite Balkan capital.
idders@reddit
https://youtu.be/1mYqY5YELd0?si=by77oKDaadAMTxvn
Rade Šerbedžija says "hi".
SORRYCAPSLOCKBROKENN@reddit
These protests have little in common and calling them as a collective as the “Balkan Spring” is misleading.
Potential-Main-8964@reddit
I mean at least three have a simultaneous aim of ending corruption and demanding some sort of justice, so…
yonsidrugsi@reddit
Bulgaria is heating up as well, a lot of corruption scandals
KulaTube@reddit
Vucic bots already want to delete it
Several-Zombies6547@reddit
The term is not used anywhere outside of some Reddit threads and the protests have little in common, so it's perfectly justified that some Wikipedia editors want it deleted.
nicubunu@reddit
Honestly, I don't think is Wikpedia-worthy, the "Balkan spring" is not only widely recognized.
Unable-Stay-6478@reddit
Probably, yeah.
kodial79@reddit
That's enough to keep me joining such protests again. When it's called "spring", it reeks of Soros' blood money and CIA's playbook.
But then again, I doubt it. Greece is a mindless pawn in their hands already. Why would they want to start that shit here? They only need to ask, and we'll give them all they want and more and ask for nothing in return.
FacelessVodi@reddit
You are correct sir but dont forget you are expressing your opinion on a wester controlled website/social media. Naturally "users" are going to downvote you and make you seem like a conspiracy theorist simply because you mention the name Soros. It is their MO for the past many decades
kodial79@reddit
I don't care. I have 30k karma points and I can't even buy a cup of coffee with them. So I may as well spend them to say what I think.
IrresistibleRepublic@reddit (OP)
Dude I think you're reading too much into it lol
Realistic_Length_640@reddit
I think you're not reading into it enough
CharacterSherbet7722@reddit
Yeah I mean, it's not like the tyrant playbook is to blame it on the 90 year old Soros and the CIA without any fucking links of involvement to it while fighting their own fucking citizens in every way possible and refusing to work on what they want
Yeah we're not reading into it enough I guess
Realistic_Length_640@reddit
You're right, it's all just a weird coincidence. All European countries with a significant pro-Russian or anti-EU/NATO sentiment somehow just made it onto this list. And the even more corrupt countries that are firmly in the NATO camp are somehow untouched by this wave of riots. Not like the CIA has a publicly known history of doing things like this on the regular. It's all totally organic. The people are rising up against their democratically elected tyrants. Finally! The revolution is here, and it IS televised. What are you, five?
CharacterSherbet7722@reddit
I mean I'd instead call you five for ditching all the context in these situations because it's easy to chalk it up to the CIA and not do your own research lol
They're not televised, maybe Slovakia is, they've been awfully silent about Greece, Turkey, Serbia and hell X even censored turkish accounts spreading news about the protests
The pro-Russian or anti-EU sentiment doesn't matter in half of these protests, Slovakia, sure, but the rest aren't
Serbian protestors literally carry Russian flags to the protests despite our fellow best friends calling the protestors foreign agents and calling it a color revolution
Romania's protests were partly organized BY the pro-Russian opposition
But yeah, any dissent against yourself is a color revolution and funded by the CIA, you know what, the protests in the US are also funded by the CIA.
Realistic_Length_640@reddit
muh own research (reading wikipedia)
"They're not televised", yet you're here on reddit talking about it every day. Lol.
Silent on Turkey and Serbia? You are delusional.
Newsflash: Serbs can't figure that out either, including the ones protesting
Surface level and naive.
The flags waved are irrelevant.
True, but there are also "pro EU" protests.
No shit. This is a well documented fact for things like BLM.
CharacterSherbet7722@reddit
They are silent on Turkey and Serbia, the only reason mainstream media is following Serbia now is because a lot of them came to the large protest, up until nye there was almost no news, and even in January they've made headlines which didn't represent the actual situation
Right
Oh and there you go, you've pretty much admitted that you have no idea what the protests are about, you're just pissed off at protestors for whatever reason lol
They know what they're doing and they've told it to people, you're just choosing to ignore it because it fits your narrative
Realistic_Length_640@reddit
The reason is because they're completely incoherent and make zero sense
I have asked them personally on multiple occasions and no one has been able to answer. Like on a script, they all say the same thing: "read the demands!!!", and then you read the demands and it's vague nonsense or has already been conceded by the Serbian government
Do you think reddit is not a controlled propaganda chamber? Bruh
CharacterSherbet7722@reddit
> I have asked them personally on multiple occasions and no one has been able to answer. Like on a script, they all say the same thing: "read the demands!!!", and then you read the demands and it's vague nonsense or has already been conceded by the Serbian government
> Do you think reddit is not a controlled propaganda chamber? Bruh
It appears you just ate up propaganda yourself lol, no the requests weren't conceded
People related to organized incidents weren't stripped of their function, they haven't been prosecuted, they're still roaming free (some were arrest for a bit)
The investigation related to the train station canopy is only moving forwards due to the public placing constant pressure, they've already tried to cover it up for the first few months
No idea how you claimed this is vague nonsense but okay, though I don't think you've actually talked to anyone about it lol, and if you did, you decided to generalize it on a couple of people and somehow completely ate up the propaganda the party keeps pushing
No idea whether you're a bot or have some personal interest in being pissed off at protestors but you do you I guess
Not that you've tried to talk to people here either, you're pretty much ragebaiting and claiming the exact opposite each time without even asking for context
Realistic_Length_640@reddit
It's called legal procedure. They ARE being investigated tho. You can't possibly think throwing someone in jail without a trial is a reasonable or realistic request for protestors to make?
That's speculation
They're annoying, hysterical, and act like children
CharacterSherbet7722@reddit
> It's called legal procedure. They ARE being investigated tho. You can't possibly think throwing someone in jail without a trial is a reasonable or realistic request for protestors to make?
I don't get it dude
You've read what I wrote, and you picked " they haven't been prosecuted, they're still roaming free" to respond to, and then generalized it as the request
The request is to investigate everyone involved, and to prosecute them under the law, this HASN'T been happening OTHERWISE it would've been fulfilled, if they prosecute ONE person out of 50 who attacked someone, the request ISN'T FULFILLED
> That's speculation
Surely you'd know, you've been following the whole situation for the last 5 months and know exactly in what ways the investigation has been moving, the cover ups, the bullshit that was told to the public and was a blatant lie as well as other similar cases that ended similarly
> They're annoying, hysterical, and act like children
I'd say you're annoying, hysterical and acting like a child on the basis that you're trying to discredit a movement because you're pissed for whatever reason at it despite the sheer amount of information proving you wrong
Realistic_Length_640@reddit
And everyone involved is being investigated. These are things that take time, sometimes years, sometimes literal decades. So what, they should protest every day for years, and only when all the trials are concluded, it's fulfilled? That is absurd. And of course, if someone turns out innocent, that's just another "cover up" and a cause to have aimless protests.
These are not "demands", these are impossible tasks aimed to cause a permanent state of protesting.
Of course, the protests are dead now, so it doesn't even matter.
CharacterSherbet7722@reddit
I'll give it to you, you're great a ragebaiting lol
The protests are far from dead, people said that they're dying and that they're dead after pretty much every big event, they didn't die, and they didn't die now either, then again as long as you continue saying it each week it might become true in a few months
Realistic_Length_640@reddit
Thanks bro
Realistic_Length_640@reddit
Greeks are always protesting, so your one might be actually organic. Are there even protests in Greece currently? I haven't heard of any.. There probably are, but somehow it didn't make the mainstream news, yet the other ones are all over the internet. In Bosnia there is zero protests, but we are still on this list, somehow
CharacterSherbet7722@reddit
...Greece has been protesting for about 2 years
Realistic_Length_640@reddit
More like 20
CharacterSherbet7722@reddit
you asked about the current protest
Realistic_Length_640@reddit
Protests that started years ago are not current protests.
CharacterSherbet7722@reddit
I hate to break it to you but not all protests start and end in a week, just because they started years ago doesn't mean they don't still contain relevancy and these do, they've literally had a general strike late february, they've been protesting to this day
Realistic_Length_640@reddit
You're really not getting this, are you? Protests that started YEARS AGO, and have ZERO connections to these other protests that are going on, can not be classified as the same wave of protests.
All the other ones are identical: students crying about vague notions of vague corruption, milking tragedies, acting like victims, singing little songs, and walking aimlessly without even knowing what they are there for
In Greece, they have actual protests about concrete things, and they even do real actions, such as the general strikes that you mentioned.
CharacterSherbet7722@reddit
You're really not getting this, are you?
The Macedonia fire was caused by a case of corruption - which you are ignoring and throwing it as "vague notions of vague corruption", documents were literally FALSIFIED so that people can enter the club
Is that a vague notion of vague corruption?
The train canopy in Serbia happened in a fucking construction site, that was opened to the public as a train station, with safety measures being FALSIFIED as well as safety measures being sped up
Is that a vague notion of vague corruption?
Turkey might be a bit more nuanced - on the sole case that a corrupt official decided to take away someone's diploma fully ruining a university by proving its diploma has 0 value and it has no autonomy
Shockingly, most Balkan countries have had incidents of buying diplomas which fed into the corruption schemes
Totally no connection, all of them, totally vague notions of vague corruptions
Not like they use the same playbook to fight protests either lol, with some a bit more unhinged, some a bit less
All these protests have real actions, you're throwing them under the bus without considering context, law, nuance, or why they're doing what they're doing and what it's leading up to
I don't know why you're denying it that hard without doing research yourself, but sure
At least you've seen behind the facades and figured out that it's all a CIA plot despite knowing nothing about the protests themselves besides that people are pissed, I mean you must be right, no?
Realistic_Length_640@reddit
Find me a single example in history where a relatively small engineering disaster results in mass protests requesting the government to be toppled.
x3
Absolutely.
So how is taking away someone's bought diploma an example of corruption? Isn't it the opposite?
What playbook? Using the police to control riots? But what I'm saying - a completely plausible scenario based in historical reality - that's the conspiracy theory.
Well let's see, you have Vucic who didn't move a finger against the protestors, and you have Erdogan who beat their shit in. Pretty different playbooks I'd say.
At the exact same time, a whole region gets protests on completely unrelated things, most of them vague at best, and to you that is not suspicious in any way?
CharacterSherbet7722@reddit
> Well let's see, you have Vucic who didn't move a finger against the protestors, and you have Erdogan who beat their shit in. Pretty different playbooks I'd say.
He did, organized groups have been paid to pretty much attack protestors all year around including the 15th which just cemented it being organized by SNS to anyone who was curious prior
Not to mention that this isn't a new tactic, it was used in 2019, 2020, 21, 22, and so forth....
He used a sound cannon, after that they went into a whole cover-up campaign lol, clinical centre higherups claimed that nothing happened, yet shockingly reports state otherwise
> Find me a single example in history where a relatively small engineering disaster results in mass protests requesting the government to be toppled.
This is why I keep saying that you're spreading a narrative and claiming bullshit without researching anything
None of the requests are there for vucic to be toppled, the engineering disaster was just the last drop
My bad, it wasn't the last drop, it caused local protests and then an organized group decided to attack students which in turn caused a full blown movement
Oh that was a CIA move? Yeah I mean, surely that organized group as well as others aren't protected by SNS atm, yeah....oh wait they are? Wait so SNS is plotting to overthrow Vucic, but Vucic is planning to overthrow himself?
Yeah I'm the naive one
> At the exact same time, a whole region gets protests on completely unrelated things, most of them vague at best, and to you that is not suspicious in any way?
Right
> You're really not getting this, are you? Protests that started YEARS AGO, and have ZERO connections to these other protests that are going on in the last few months, can not be classified as the same wave of protests.
Didn't you just say it wasn't at the exact same time and that they're unrelated by time?
Greece has been protesting for 2 years, Serbia has had various protests for at least 7 which were relatively wide spread and all ended in police brutality
And again, you're missing the whole entire context due to your lack of research, protests have been happening for years due to various corruption cases, this one just learned from the previous ones
But yeah, continue pushing your rhetoric and calling everyone else naive, while you're the moron who refuses to spend 10 minutes researching what's actually going on in those countries because there's the easier explanation of it's just the CIA, cause nothing ever happens
LibertyChecked28@reddit
When tending to Fruit Trees in Spring you have to cut away the branches bearing the biggest number of buds so that the other branches with less buds could produce fruits of higher quality.
Likewise CIA/IMF needs to cause annual turmoil in different regions (including those of their allies) every few decades as to maintain "world order" and "international economic stability" via "the least bloody way possible".
Greece might be a 'pawn' but it isn't: "a pawn that depends on the Forces of Good for it's survival", nor the sort of pawn that will do someone else's bidding for free.
Greece is also part of P.I.G.S, and the general consensus of P.I.G.S is that they are all: "good for nothing ruined economies who's greatest contribution to the world would be being treated as salvageable scrap for the sake of someone more naturally capable".
Stverghame@reddit
Let's focus on our goals firstly, writing down history can come after it
lazy_boobs@reddit
When did Slovakia join balkans?
Lucky-Chair-2828@reddit
Inat revolution!
Sacrer@reddit
WaffleCatGameHugSMSM@reddit
Nothing is gonna happen.
1. People are protesting but nothing serious is coming up
2. USA and Europe said they don't want another revolution or big events, they have their hands occupied with Ukraine still
3. Everyone wants change but no one is changing anything. If people want corruption to end, they will make changes
Cefalopodul@reddit
Why is Romania there? The protests in Romania were organized BY the authoritarians who are against free elections not against them.
LocalFoe@reddit
they added Romania and Slovakia on the event page before it happened in these countries
EconomistOk2745@reddit
In Serbia, protesters want to seize power without elections because they are unpopular and politically unarticulated. It is not autharitarianism but totalitarism in both cases. Probably similar nonsence in other countries too.
KingAnSs@reddit
What the fuck are you talking about ? Our government has support of maybe 30% of the country, and they still "win" the elections. They are corrupt and a lot of people lost their lives because of it
EconomistOk2745@reddit
Not a lot, a few. It happens everywhere all the time, except in places where there are actually lots of people dying because of corruption (see ukraine etc). Plain truth is, ruling party having 30% of support of general population is quite normal in Europe. No other party has comparable support of tge people anyway.
WithLoveFromBaku@reddit
EconomistOk2745@reddit
Why are Azeris so knowlegdable with regards to foreign affairs?
CharacterSherbet7722@reddit
EconomistOk2745@reddit
But they don't ever get even close to winning in Serbia, don't know about Hungary. Election theft (see usa) can get you only that far. (See milosevic)
CharacterSherbet7722@reddit
Because it's not just election theft, it's an authoritarian exploiting the situation, nothing more
There's no freedom of press, half their time they praise the great leader and half the time they attack the opposition and claim their leader and everyone else works under Djilas because it fits their narrative, they've the spent the last decade shitting on him
And that's national television, that you pay for, that you always have, as well as other tabloids
They pay people to vote for them, they also force people to do it and provide proof of it if they work in the public sector, meaning post office, electrodistribution, etc
We don't know that just because it's been confirmed multiple times, we know that because they've done the same thing to stage counterprotests
Hell if you compare his and Milosevic's talks they're 1:1, both guys try to seem as normal humane citizens just trying to make things better when they're anything but that, and that works with boomers, even more so when you pair it with lack of free media
Also the opposition did nearly win in a decent chunk of towns, but then out of nowhere \~600 more votes appeared to skew the district
Mountain-Ad6416@reddit
People are not dying because of corruption? Are you kidding me? Where did you love for the past 12 years. How many people died because of the sect?
EconomistOk2745@reddit
Try learning english mon cher
Mountain-Ad6416@reddit
Yea, I may have made a few spelling mistakes, but that doesnt change the fact, that this regime is criminal, and they need to go.
EconomistOk2745@reddit
It is not about spelling, God forbid I become a grammar na_i. It's about comprehension.
CharacterSherbet7722@reddit
Pretty much everything you said is wrong, the current ruling party in Serbia is authoritarian, the protestors are popular but that doesn't matter because it's a movement spearheaded by students, there's no "seize power" in it, like how did you even come to this conclusion?
None of the requests are related to the ruling party, they only target it transitively because the ruling party wants a hybrid regime where institutions in their favor rather than for the people, the requests solely target the institutions
People did die because of corruption, 2019 had protests due to that, 2023 had protests due to a deeper cultural issue that wasn't addressed and ended up causing a school shooting
Oh wait, there was also corruption involved? Yeah, they laundered money over the event, there was going to be lectures and workshops over it for both children and adults, those did happen, except they weren't paid out of the budget that was meant to go to them
The budget instead went to ghost firms in payouts of a specific amount of money to probably avoid getting tracked, yet we found out
They laundered money over dead kids, yeah, that's not corruption
Not to mention that station canopy was the last straw, corruption killed people which caused an uproar but not the student blockades, and then an organized group decided to attack the students and kick the snowball down rolling
But you don't know any of that, or the 100 other corruption cases that we've had lol
Like
You literally just spread genuine misinformation, it's not even a half truth
Also, the protests in Greece are related to corruption due to the Tempi case going nowhere, so is Macedonia due to the falsification of pretty much everything meaning the club wasn't even fucking usable and likely lacked proper safety measures, and in Turkey, shocking, it's also corruption
So yeah, with all due respect, fuck yourself lol, damn good ragebait
tucucipakaki@reddit
Ne znam zasto ovo objasnjavas botu brt
CharacterSherbet7722@reddit
Iskreno rekao bih jer je sub gde ljudi van mogu procitati nesto ali
Volim da se svadjam na netu
tucucipakaki@reddit
Podrzavam :D
EconomistOk2745@reddit
Try reading before writing. I have neither time nor inclination to reiterate. Don't get yourself worked up like that, it's detrimental to both health and decision making capacities. Godspeed.
CharacterSherbet7722@reddit
Dude's completely wrong, decides to continue spreading misinformation and troll everyone who tells him he's doing it and providing actual context to it
Nice one I guess
EconomistOk2745@reddit
My brother in Christ, name a single thing I am wrong about.
CharacterSherbet7722@reddit
....Basically everything? Like I literally provided you with both what's going on, context, and counterexamples as to why what you said is wrong
EconomistOk2745@reddit
Here's a lil heart <3
Mountain-Ad6416@reddit
Nice try BIA. Now go back to your hole and eat your shitty sandwich
CapitalBeat_@reddit
For once a region falls into unrest and it's not the CIA's fault... Probably..
Swaydelay@reddit
Hungary Balkan?
NeptuneMetro@reddit
Fuck the dictators. All my balkan homies hate the dictators
kokrec@reddit
What a stupid name. Those protests have different reasons with different expectations. Some liberals influenced by the US leftist politics try to fake unite "the balkans"
VasoCervicek123@reddit
Yes , look at Lybia how well they are doing after they couped Kadaffi
Popikaify@reddit
Slovakia is part of Balkans just like Turkey.
YamiRang@reddit
You do realize no Arab Spring country is doing definitely better than it did before those events, Western weapon companies lined their pockets from the conflicts that escalated in some of those countries, and overturning the governments literally destroyed any and all opposition, leaving the people to the will of just one group, right?
rednodit@reddit
Hope it doesn't end like Arab spring
dadbodking@reddit
Hey, wtf, I just commented this few hours ago! Cool
BarskiPatzow@reddit
I just hope it doesn’t end like Arab spring.
mronio2010@reddit
Romania doesnt belong on the list, the protests here were organized by the extremist parties, after the far right candidate Georgescu was banned from participating in elections. He is charged with very serious things such as participating in fascist groups and lying about campaign funds. This has nothing to do with what is happening in the other countries, where people are fighting against the corruption of their governments
_whatever_idc@reddit
I find it rather stupid to have a wikipedia page about ongoing event.
Winter_Reach303@reddit
God I wish Bosnia would also do some mass protest...
BeatnologicalMNE@reddit
And it'll end same as Arab spring, sadly that is. Mark my words.
jug0slavija@reddit
Why is Bosnia mentioned? They will start a civil war to suck Dodiks balls before the people unite and try to fix the country. Sadly to many nationalistic idiots still there who would rather fight for their "side" than to fuck those corrupt asshole politicians
Poyri35@reddit
I don’t know if it is a good idea to compare it to the Arab spring
DrCausti@reddit
Not even sure if it's a good idea to compare the protests in Turkiye and let's say Greece.
The situations have very little in common and overall people fight for completely different things.
theruwy@reddit
people fight for very similar things, just that the triggering events are different, unsurprisingly.
DrCausti@reddit
I don't think a corrupt goverment and a oppressive regime even remotely compare. And that's more than just the trigger, it's the whole implication of what fighting these issues means.
Don't get me wrong, I piss on Mitsotakis and his ND pigs whenever I can, but in the end Greeks are mostly fine with these guys unless some big fuckup happens under them, like with the train accident. They voted them in anyway, stronger than the previous election.
Erdogan doesn't allow alternatives to be voted in. Greece basically protests against it's own stupidity and choices, while the Turkish protest the fact they can't even make a stupid choice if they wanted to.
kzasas@reddit
This only means that you are living another phase of the same playbook from your neighbors. Oppressive regimes are just a long-term form of corrupt governments. Your description of Mitsotakis, literally what Erdogan was before 2015. We believed your argument, but for ourself against Iran or Syria at that time. As a sincere ally of Greek people; I don’t recommend you to trust too much on democracy or any kind of universal value that you assume as a given. We learned this the hard way.
DrCausti@reddit
I live in Greece, but as foreigner can't even legally join a party, and Greeks don't like having foreigners tell them how to run things, especially Germans. Although they also don't like how the locals run things.
And I see similarities, I called Mitsotakis a little dictator and fascist for a while now (the latter being confirmed to me by who he surrounds himself with, and I know some close friends of his quite well personally) but I don't think he will go the route that Erdogan is going.
Greece relies on it's partners to much to survive, and those won't allow something like in Turkiye to happen. I consider it highly unlikely that Greece turns into that kind of dictatorship, although I agree the origin of their ways are the same. It's more due to different situations both nations live under rather than the leadership ideology that makes me think this way.
kzasas@reddit
I mostly agree with that but my point isn't about ideology. It’s about power. Europe may be more than happy with a dictator rather than the established democracy, if it suits their interests at a time. I insist to not rely on any abstract value as a guarantee. We’ve seen how 'partners' care about choices of Greek people at the 2015 bailout referandum.
Kaamos_666@reddit
“Erdogan doesn’t allow alternatives to be voted in.” That’s Putin. We’re not there -hopefully yet-. We’re trying to prevent exactly that. Otherwise our parliament and municipalities are full of electees from other parties.
DrCausti@reddit
Ekrem isn't the first politician to be blocked from running against Erdogan, he's just the first that people care about to this scale.
I agree that Russia is the more extreme example and that Turkiye isn't lost yet, but let's not pretend like this is the first time in Erdogans career that political opponents are thrown into prison.
Putin has other parties around too, they just bend to his will. If you just look at the existing parties you could believe there's a diverse party landscape, but we know that's not really the political reality of Russia, and while i am less educated on Turkish politics, i would assume a comparable situation in that regard.
Kaamos_666@reddit
If you’re talking about Selahattin Demirtaş, he was never a candidate for presidency as far as I know.
DrCausti@reddit
He was, he ran twice for it, 2014 and 2018. Once while under criminal investigation already. Now his party is in bed with Erdogan and he left politics completely, which I can hardly blame him for.
Kaamos_666@reddit
No I put it wrong, I mean, yes I know he ran. But he was never an opponent. Never his direct opponent
DrCausti@reddit
I mean he only got 10%, and it doesn't compare to Imamoglus reach, but still he was a political opponent in the presidential race. And there are many others who didn't ran for that office but still had some significance in their parties, and were arrested or harassed on baseless claims.
Kaamos_666@reddit
Maybe yes… It hurts that we can’t be sure of speculative topics.
theruwy@reddit
corruption and the consequent fear of facing law is the reason governments resort to authoritarianism. hopefully greeks are educated enough to stop the problem right where it is now, but the line can be blurrier than you think.
etheeem@reddit
LET'S GOOOOOOOOO
LarsBG@reddit
Bulgarians sleeping as always, such a shame. Even when all of our brothers are fighting, we sleep.
AllBlackenedSky@reddit
We will prevail Balkan brothers. May there be strength in all of us against these corrupt menaces who wants to steal our future. Down with autocracies!
WindyFoxBGR@reddit
bulgaria sleeps
TheFreedomParty@reddit
Turkey requesting aid for inat from balkan neighbor's
petahthehorseisheah@reddit
Bulgaria still hibernating
Mako2401@reddit
the chance of the government in Macedonia being challenged in any real way by protests is zero procent. The only kind of protests that work in Macedonia are ethnically inspired.
AnalphabeticPenguin@reddit
My favourite Balkan country - Slovakia.
Worried-Antelope6000@reddit
United against Authoritarianism!
BubblyPerformance736@reddit
While I share the sentiment, suggesting Turkey is in the Balkans is wild
Zaiquan@reddit
Turkey is indeed not in the balkans, but without Turkish culture(not the country), there wouldn’t be balkans, even the word itself is Turkish
Useless_or_inept@reddit
Don't call it "Spring" or a "colour revolution", that only encourages the Chomskytards who pretend that protests against shit governments are actually a CIA/NATO conspiracy
HumanMan00@reddit
Ok guys, we somehow expanded to Slovakia and Hungary without having a war?! Balkan is incredible.
easterianmambo@reddit
"Balkan Awakening and Uprisings" would be better classification as the academic works on so-called "Arab Spring" is rather embraced with those terms due to their civil grounding rather than top-down nature (not even mentioning the negative connotation of the 'spring' for intrinsic cause of protests)
manemam@reddit
Why is Slovakia here, they are not a Balkan country, and why is Bosnia here, we don't have any protests here?
krishere25@reddit
Shhh keep it quiet. The Bulgarians might wake up.
The__Machinist@reddit
Meh, Serbs haven't learned a single thing from 5th October. Luckily this one will pass... It's already comming down.
Maniglioneantipanico@reddit
give it a month and it'll be gone to nothing
Glad_Atmosphere_3942@reddit
I mean in serbia it's been almost 5 months now
outlanderfhf@reddit
Yeah, it feels like a nothing-burger at the moment
_segamega_@reddit
hungary and turkey to rule them all like in the good old days
Starac_Joakim@reddit
Where croatia?
the-icebreaker@reddit
Romania should not really be here
Imranus@reddit
I would not call it Balkan spring, knowing how Arab spring ended.
DataPulseMD@reddit
SpRInG
Front-Extension-9736@reddit
LOL i love how people here think that something will change (hint: it wont)
BanatianOverlord125@reddit
Slovacka, turska i madjarska nisu balkan al ajde, ista borba ✊
jazzones@reddit
Whatever just leave us out of this mess. Thank you.
MLukaCro@reddit
Yeah, same for here in Croatia.
IrresistibleRepublic@reddit (OP)
People rioting for their democratic rights is mess?
jazzones@reddit
Didn’t say its not positive.
IrresistibleRepublic@reddit (OP)
🫂
IrresistibleRepublic@reddit (OP)
ApplicationIll5799@reddit
Pse kaq te gezuar? Keni pare ndonje "spring" qe ka dale per mire pas 10 vitesh?
Worried-Carrot1773@reddit
Se jon budallenje. Kto protesta jon ashiqare te instiguara nga jasht. Dhe gjdo “spring” gjith perfundon ne gjakderdhje
Fit_Instruction3646@reddit
I don't wanna sound blackpilled or break anyone's enthusiasm. I just hope your protests yield better results than those in Bulgaria.
ilaymylifedown4u@reddit
GOOD SHIT!
AlexLay78@reddit
In romania it's the opposite.
Forsaken_Specific969@reddit
It shows that it is Europe's turn.
edwardkenw4y@reddit
Vietnam flashbacks to Arab Spring
Tiespecialo@reddit
Greece protested only in the day of the anniversary, and there are no protests now. I don't think our situation is similar.
Aegeansunset12@reddit
Silly thread, Greece is nothing like the other countries lol. I also can’t ignore this
ProductGuy48@reddit
Constant-Twist530@reddit
I never expected us to be the one calm Balkan country lmao. Shit ain’t perfect around here as well, but compared to the protests, God damn.
Watch me jinx it, lol.
vcS_tr@reddit
POMPALA
Nobax4@reddit
PUMPAJ
Michitake@reddit
I think it’s too early for anything. Balkan spring is a big name. Naming it seems like an exaggeration to me. It’s going to take a few years to name these events.
Crisbo05_20@reddit
Slovakia can into Balkan I guess lmao.
Realistic_Length_640@reddit
Why is Bosnia on the list? We dont do that shit wtf. I guess their plans leaked.
One_Frosting_5507@reddit
That’s suspicious
Gullible-Orange-6337@reddit
Well, other Springs turned out great. What was the last one, Arabic Spring?
CraftAnxious2491@reddit
Or even , Croatian Spring?/s.
Gullible-Orange-6337@reddit
That one was in 70ties. It failed and it didn't end up well.
But what is scary - when Springs are successful - the consequences are even worse then when it fails.
Realistic_Length_640@reddit
Enough malarkey, bring out the LRADs
KulaTube@reddit
Positive suprise
Glad-Ebb8610@reddit
I'm betting my ass that not a single protest will end in a success