I miss 3d vision. I still have 3d vision 2 glasses and a monitor but i now have a 5080 which cant do 3d vision AFAIK and an OLED monitor but honestly I still think I'd play on my VG278H over the OLED often if I could play in 3d.
Are you mistakenly thinking the red and blue glasses? We're talking about active shutter glasses. It didnt exist before 2008. And Nvidia's implementation was much better than the one in theaters
I bought into both 3DVision and 3DVision 2 and the quality was 100% reliant on the monitors capabilities. So I agree that it COULD have looked better than any movie theatre but chances were good that you were getting a sub-par experience with the gear. At least with the 1st gen chipset and monitors that came out around 2009ish the image was lousy with crosstalk, the monitors weren't really 1080p, all the flaws of a TN panel (the only LCD monitors capable of 120Hz) and they had a brightness rating of only 200nits.
The 2nd gen of the tech fixed a lot of those problems
What cinema? You sure? They'd need batteries in them and the glasses are usually very expensive. If they gave you new ones and recycle them after a movie, they arent
Yup, it was grey, slightly bulky plastic glasses. You could almost see the flicker of the shutter effect and they even had a sync-button. You got them going in and gave them back after. Nothing like the cheap red/blue cardboard 'glasses' or so.
My usual cinema was just a super generic mid sized one in Germany. I assumed that most cinema would use shutter glasse like that around the time of the first Avatar.
Interesting, with those glasses im not familiar then.
But Ive not watched much 3D cinema tbh. I had to wear those glasses over my own, which wasnt exactly comfortable, and the 3D effect always seemed a bit underwhelming to me. Both in feeling a bit 'artificial' and limited depths.
Yeah, especially even more true for movies filmed in 2d and converted later, or movies with bas implementations of it. I remembee pirates of the carribean was so flat I forgot it was 3d until a sword pointed toward the camera once
But anyway, this newer glasses free tech looks different
True, maybe the tech wouldve been better if there was more mass adaption, and after Avatar they took time to improve it more. Maybe they even did and I just missed it, but theres little film actually produced for 3D.
Personally im a bit over this type of 3D tbh, especially after VR-Headsets have shown me a better (but still imperfect) version of 3D vision. Even if 3D TVs/screens acchieved VR-levels of depths-perception, youd just run into the next issue of lack of FoV/miniaturization effect. Even a cinema, assuming you sit centered, can can only partially make up for that.
That said, Im always open to be positively surprised, of course.
Converting "3d content displayed on a 2d screen" into "3d content displayed on a 3d screen" does require some work. There needs to be two cameras in the 3d space to render the perspective for each eye, which games don't normally do. A naive implementation of that would cause the second added camera to potentially clip into the game geometry.
CRT never stopped burning in and we used that technology longer than any other. I think there’s an acceptable level of burn in for consumers. If it takes 10+ years to be noticeable in consumer usage I don’t think people will care. In commercial usage I think even more burn in is acceptable as either business will generally have more frequent replacement schedules anyways OR they’re burning in due to static content and if it’s that same static content being displayed nobody is going to notice anyways. See for example burn in on a pac man CRT. People still play it and nobody gives a shit.
We used CRTs because there was no alternative and dropped them very fast when even only terrible LCDs were an option.
I think people underestimate usage. In corporate CRTs didnt last 10 years. Not even close. LCDs do. OLEDs would be burned in within 6 months doing the job im doing.
If its anything like the Acer 3d monitor that released not too long ago then its going to have pretty good 2D to 3D conversion. It has its niche so its far from DOA
Real time is basically all you need to know that its going to be a very limited gimmick at best, considering how bad 2d to 3d was when entire movie studios tried to do it with larger budgets and more time.
It won’t work with 3ds emulators or 3d Blu-ray rips? I hope someone figures out how to get it working when these go on clearance because a glasses free 3d monitor would be great for me
Hopefully with better eye tracking than the New 3DS. The New 3DS is hopeless at tracking my eyes while I wear my prescription glasses and I have to hold it within about a hand span of my face without my glasses if I want everything to be clear.
Unfortunate they didn't optimize for a common case like this...especially for a company from Japan, which is among the worldwide leaders in people wearing corrective optics.
I think its more a case of "if this becomes standard there will be no products i can use".
Can you imagine if the next control of phones becamse some kind of neural link but you could not get a neural link due to whatever reason. If they got popular you would never be able to use a phone again.
There might be. But getting them may be arduous and expensive. To keep in line i with phone analogy, would you say getting a landline phone is a real alternative nowadays?
I tried one (at a show). Its great if you have perfect angles. Its trash if you dont. Want to watch a movie with your girlfriend? only one of you will have good experience, likely, neither will.
Odyssey OLED G8 Features Highest Pixel Density on a 27’’ Screen
The 27” has 166 pixels-per-inch — the industry’s highest pixel density for a screen that size.
I'm confused by that claim. We've had 4K 27" monitors for over a decade now. And there's even been 5K 27" since 2014.
Perhaps what they mean to say is "for an (OLED) screen that size". But even then, would that be accurate? Looks like there are multiple OLEDs that are 27"/4K already: MSI MPG 272URX, ASUS ROG Swift PG27UCDM, LG Ultrafine 27EP950...
I looked up some of the tech differences for my other response.
Couldn't tell you about the (dis)adavantages of using a lenticular lens array though, or how Samsung wants to implement light field tech. A company named CREAL seems to be dabbling in it for AR applications.
Those are tech demos that still don’t utilize cameras for eye tracking like the new 3D screens do. Not to mention that a tech demo from 2015 that is “8K” was never going to make it to market anyways
Unless I overlooked it in the article or elsewhere, is Samsung just leaving their 34 inch Ultrawide out to rot? The 175hz Gen 1 QD-OLED panel is considered End of Life now and most monitor manufacturers are moving or have already moved to the Gen 2.5 240hz panel. I've yet to see anything from Samsung about their Odyssey OLED G8.
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FinBenton@reddit
Really depends how good the real time 2D to 3D video conversion is, this could be insane or garbage.
Tensor3@reddit
Probably exactly the same as Nvidia's conversion for the with-glasses 3d monitors, which was pretty flawless for 3d games
lynch527@reddit
I miss 3d vision. I still have 3d vision 2 glasses and a monitor but i now have a 5080 which cant do 3d vision AFAIK and an OLED monitor but honestly I still think I'd play on my VG278H over the OLED often if I could play in 3d.
Immediate_Banana_216@reddit
I had a pair of those glasses and could barely notice the difference at all between 2d and 3d, we're going back probably about 15-20 years though.
Tensor3@reddit
Are you mistakenly thinking the red and blue glasses? We're talking about active shutter glasses. It didnt exist before 2008. And Nvidia's implementation was much better than the one in theaters
Adventurous-Ease-259@reddit
Powered shutter glasses for pc gaming existed before 2008.
Tensor3@reddit
Already said this, read comments: "it" refers to the date nvidia released their 3d conversion for active shutter glasses.
monetarydread@reddit
I bought into both 3DVision and 3DVision 2 and the quality was 100% reliant on the monitors capabilities. So I agree that it COULD have looked better than any movie theatre but chances were good that you were getting a sub-par experience with the gear. At least with the 1st gen chipset and monitors that came out around 2009ish the image was lousy with crosstalk, the monitors weren't really 1080p, all the flaws of a TN panel (the only LCD monitors capable of 120Hz) and they had a brightness rating of only 200nits.
The 2nd gen of the tech fixed a lot of those problems
FPGirlA@reddit
Don't talk about things you don't know. Active shutter existed since 1980s
Tensor3@reddit
Sorry I wasnt clear. Nvidia' implementation of converting 2d to 3d with active glasses was released at that time
Unusual_Mess_7962@reddit
The glasses in the cinema where I usually went were all active shutters.
Tensor3@reddit
What cinema? You sure? They'd need batteries in them and the glasses are usually very expensive. If they gave you new ones and recycle them after a movie, they arent
Unusual_Mess_7962@reddit
Yup, it was grey, slightly bulky plastic glasses. You could almost see the flicker of the shutter effect and they even had a sync-button. You got them going in and gave them back after. Nothing like the cheap red/blue cardboard 'glasses' or so.
My usual cinema was just a super generic mid sized one in Germany. I assumed that most cinema would use shutter glasse like that around the time of the first Avatar.
Tensor3@reddit
Im in Canada and they gave us passive polarized glasses. Much better than the old red/blue and almost as good
Unusual_Mess_7962@reddit
Interesting, with those glasses im not familiar then.
But Ive not watched much 3D cinema tbh. I had to wear those glasses over my own, which wasnt exactly comfortable, and the 3D effect always seemed a bit underwhelming to me. Both in feeling a bit 'artificial' and limited depths.
Most 3D I experienced is from a VR headset.
Tensor3@reddit
Yeah, especially even more true for movies filmed in 2d and converted later, or movies with bas implementations of it. I remembee pirates of the carribean was so flat I forgot it was 3d until a sword pointed toward the camera once
But anyway, this newer glasses free tech looks different
Unusual_Mess_7962@reddit
True, maybe the tech wouldve been better if there was more mass adaption, and after Avatar they took time to improve it more. Maybe they even did and I just missed it, but theres little film actually produced for 3D.
Personally im a bit over this type of 3D tbh, especially after VR-Headsets have shown me a better (but still imperfect) version of 3D vision. Even if 3D TVs/screens acchieved VR-levels of depths-perception, youd just run into the next issue of lack of FoV/miniaturization effect. Even a cinema, assuming you sit centered, can can only partially make up for that.
That said, Im always open to be positively surprised, of course.
Retrojunkies85@reddit
I still have mine, with the usb receiver and the steroscopic glasses.
Shame this technology was dumped, I would love to play my pc games in 3d again.
Shame really as the monitor i have now is twice as fast as my Samsung sync master which I had back then, 120hz screen, my monitor now is 240hz.
But nothing I guess for Windows 10/11 to make it boot and play in 3d when you started up your games.
Acrobatic-Monitor516@reddit
I don't understand . You say it was flawless for 3D games, but those are really 3D ...
Tensor3@reddit
Converting "3d content displayed on a 2d screen" into "3d content displayed on a 3d screen" does require some work. There needs to be two cameras in the 3d space to render the perspective for each eye, which games don't normally do. A naive implementation of that would cause the second added camera to potentially clip into the game geometry.
battler624@reddit
The 3d monitor is ips btw
Zaptruder@reddit
Where's this info from? It's not in the article which simply says: "panel technology is unspecified".
battler624@reddit
Samsung website
Zaptruder@reddit
Unable to find... are you able to link?
Obliterators@reddit
They would advertise OLED if it was one.
https://www.samsung.com/my/monitors/gaming/odyssey-3d-g90xf-27-inch-165hz-uhd-ls27fg900xexxs/
Equivalent-Bet-8771@reddit
Ew it's IPS come on guys it's 2025 where's my OLED at?
Strazdas1@reddit
when OLEDs stop burning in we can get rid of IPS.
Adventurous-Ease-259@reddit
CRT never stopped burning in and we used that technology longer than any other. I think there’s an acceptable level of burn in for consumers. If it takes 10+ years to be noticeable in consumer usage I don’t think people will care. In commercial usage I think even more burn in is acceptable as either business will generally have more frequent replacement schedules anyways OR they’re burning in due to static content and if it’s that same static content being displayed nobody is going to notice anyways. See for example burn in on a pac man CRT. People still play it and nobody gives a shit.
Strazdas1@reddit
We used CRTs because there was no alternative and dropped them very fast when even only terrible LCDs were an option.
I think people underestimate usage. In corporate CRTs didnt last 10 years. Not even close. LCDs do. OLEDs would be burned in within 6 months doing the job im doing.
Zaptruder@reddit
Thanks. Was looking for confirming info.
Fit-Lack-4034@reddit
For $1,700, insane for that monitor.
PiousPontificator@reddit
It will be around $1299 with the usual huge drop off 3-6 months post release.
half-baked_axx@reddit
I would just get a Quest Pro lmao wtf is that.
skyagg@reddit
Wait where did you see the price of the monitors? I am not seeing them on Samsung's site or in news articles about it.
battler624@reddit
Don't look up previous monitors with this tech. Damn expensive
skyagg@reddit
okay this is absolutely insane, I was thinking of giving it try if was reasonably priced but no fucking way am i paying $1700 for a 27" IPS monitor...
anival024@reddit
The 3D monitor only works with specific games that have specific support in Samsung's software, and for non-DRM SDR videos with Nvidia GPUs.
This thing is DOA, as it should be.
TerribleQuestion4497@reddit
If its anything like the Acer 3d monitor that released not too long ago then its going to have pretty good 2D to 3D conversion. It has its niche so its far from DOA
FinBenton@reddit
They say it can do real time 2D to 3D video conversion which is what Im mostly interested with this.
seanwee2000@reddit
Real time is basically all you need to know that its going to be a very limited gimmick at best, considering how bad 2d to 3d was when entire movie studios tried to do it with larger budgets and more time.
CANT_BEAT_PINWHEEL@reddit
It won’t work with 3ds emulators or 3d Blu-ray rips? I hope someone figures out how to get it working when these go on clearance because a glasses free 3d monitor would be great for me
MikyMuch@reddit
Isn't this the same technology the n3ds used?
JuanElMinero@reddit
To achieve its 3D effect, the 3DS family used a parallax barrier, while the Samsung monitor has a lenticular lens array. See here.
They both feature eye-tracking, which was introduced with the New 3DS and alleviated many of the issues 3DS owners had with 3D viewing angles.
Nicholas-Steel@reddit
Hopefully with better eye tracking than the New 3DS. The New 3DS is hopeless at tracking my eyes while I wear my prescription glasses and I have to hold it within about a hand span of my face without my glasses if I want everything to be clear.
JuanElMinero@reddit
Unfortunate they didn't optimize for a common case like this...especially for a company from Japan, which is among the worldwide leaders in people wearing corrective optics.
Acrobatic-Monitor516@reddit
Weird it worked perfectly and incredibly well even with my 7 diopters
Zarkex01@reddit
Also worked very well for me, although only about -2.5 diopters
scrndude@reddit
This sounds obscene
Culbrelai@reddit
I hope 3d never takes off for the sole purpose that it gives me massive fucking migraines. Unless they can do it without that blurring nonsense.
Unilythe@reddit
So you don't want other people to have fun because you can't enjoy it?
Strazdas1@reddit
I think its more a case of "if this becomes standard there will be no products i can use".
Can you imagine if the next control of phones becamse some kind of neural link but you could not get a neural link due to whatever reason. If they got popular you would never be able to use a phone again.
Unilythe@reddit
There will always be accessibility options, just like there are now.
Strazdas1@reddit
There might be. But getting them may be arduous and expensive. To keep in line i with phone analogy, would you say getting a landline phone is a real alternative nowadays?
LickMyKnee@reddit
2012 called, and wants its trash back.
skyagg@reddit
You ever tried one (glasses free version) to have this strong of an opinion about it?
Strazdas1@reddit
I tried one (at a show). Its great if you have perfect angles. Its trash if you dont. Want to watch a movie with your girlfriend? only one of you will have good experience, likely, neither will.
Unusual_Mess_7962@reddit
You just need to play with VR headsets and you know why screens just cant do good 3D, even if this tech wasnt as flawed as it is.
JuanElMinero@reddit
Playing on a New 3DS made me realize how cool glasses free 3D can be. That little tracking front camera improved it so much.
All it lacked was a resolution above 800x240 to make it more viable.
StochasticReverant@reddit
"Nobody ever try anything new, ever" - LickMyKnee
p_giguere1@reddit
The press release mentions:
I'm confused by that claim. We've had 4K 27" monitors for over a decade now. And there's even been 5K 27" since 2014.
Perhaps what they mean to say is "for an (OLED) screen that size". But even then, would that be accurate? Looks like there are multiple OLEDs that are 27"/4K already: MSI MPG 272URX, ASUS ROG Swift PG27UCDM, LG Ultrafine 27EP950...
Am I missing something?
Acrobatic-Monitor516@reddit
For oled
p_giguere1@reddit
Aren't all 4K/27" OLED monitors using the same Samsung panel, meaning they have the exact same PPI?
Acrobatic-Monitor516@reddit
Are they ? Idk
JahEthBur@reddit
I can't imagine the demand is high for this.
mapletune@reddit
didn't the 3D monitor fad pass sometime during the 2010's?
Unusual_Mess_7962@reddit
Yeah, this is just the next attempt to capitalize on the tech.
CumAssault@reddit
Yes, but the 3D glasses free tech is newer and is actually pretty freaking cool
Vb_33@reddit
The glasses free 3ds launched in 2011
CumAssault@reddit
Yes but this tech is better. LTT has talked about them, they use cameras for eye tracking to help the 3D effect.
spazturtle@reddit
So did the "new 3ds".
JuanElMinero@reddit
I looked up some of the tech differences for my other response.
Couldn't tell you about the (dis)adavantages of using a lenticular lens array though, or how Samsung wants to implement light field tech. A company named CREAL seems to be dabbling in it for AR applications.
mapletune@reddit
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2016/02/the-glasses-free-technology-that-made-me-believe-in-3d-tv-again/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9STBsPHIEPA
?
CumAssault@reddit
Those are tech demos that still don’t utilize cameras for eye tracking like the new 3D screens do. Not to mention that a tech demo from 2015 that is “8K” was never going to make it to market anyways
Bitlovin@reddit
Yes, for the same reason VR did: people don't want to wear uncomfortable shit on their head while they unwind.
DeHub94@reddit
It seems to come back every few years.
Relevant_Scholar6697@reddit
Unless I overlooked it in the article or elsewhere, is Samsung just leaving their 34 inch Ultrawide out to rot? The 175hz Gen 1 QD-OLED panel is considered End of Life now and most monitor manufacturers are moving or have already moved to the Gen 2.5 240hz panel. I've yet to see anything from Samsung about their Odyssey OLED G8.
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