I tried to do the right thing

This is bad advice and not allowed by DOT. PC, in this instance, is only allowed if you're off-duty and not under a load. Yard Move is not permitted at a truck stop loaded or not.

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Down2EatPossum@reddit

You definitely can use yard move at a truck stop, use it anywhere you are on duty and moving the truck.

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PalePersonality6331@reddit

You definitely can, but legally can't. One day, you'll get a big ole' fine and put out of service for doing it... but, you do you, driver. 🤷‍♂️

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PalePersonality6331@reddit

Events on ELD(s) are data logged with a gps coordinate.

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VGPreach@reddit

Do you really think they're checking to see if someone moved 0.1 miles to 0.0 miles? Bc that's the size of s truck stop parking lot

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It’s not necessarily the DOT officer that’s going to check. But if your company gets audited, and your logs are selected for that audit, you best believe that auditor is going to look at that .01 miles you moved. I’ve seen it happen at my company. And the driver was fined 5 months after the fact. I think it’s complete BS. But they can and do look at those GPS coordinates. Government is gonna get their money one way or another.

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VGPreach@reddit

Crazy how my company was audited and it didn't happen to me

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PalePersonality6331@reddit

Driver, Idgaf! Aparently you haven't dealt with many DOT officers as finding something to collect revenue on is kind of their thing. If that's what you're doing, keep on truckin. It's real easy for them to look at events on the ELD logs. One day you'll meet a DOT officer that cares just enough and you'll get a hefty fine and get put out of service at a weigh station somewhere.

It's not so much the distance as it's moving from one status to another and claiming your "mandatory 30-minute break." I'm used to paper logs mostly but I understand the regs and know some DOT officers. You can drive your truck however you see fit and I could care less. The only reason I said anything is there's a newer driver asking a question and getting some "potentially incorrect" advice.

You're seemingly butthurt that I'm pointing that out so I can only surmise from your butthurtedness that you are one of the ones also doing it. Again, what you do doesn't affect me in any way shape or form. I only tried to make sure the advice given was accurate. You can take the information and keep on trucking or you can take the information and consider looking for a different way to do it. Either way, keep the shiny side up and stay between the lines.

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Feral_Newspaper@reddit

Been driving 4 years and have yet to get a ticket for a cop going through my logs. I turn yard mode on and log it as construction/accident if I'm trying to sneak a 30 stuck in said traffic.

But then again my truck is Always in order appearances wise. You got a broke/dirty truck i could see you getting into more drama.

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Down2EatPossum@reddit

Show me reg, I've never heard it before.

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PalePersonality6331@reddit

https://eld.kellerencompass.com/resources/blog/2019-blogs/top-10-faqs-about-the-eld-yard-move-special-driving-category#:~:text=Can%20I%20use%20a%20Yard,cannot%20be%20considered%20a%20yard

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Down2EatPossum@reddit

Old info, go to the source. Here is from FMCSA

Question 9:

Under what circumstances may a driver classify the operation of a commercial motor vehicle (CMV) as a yard move and record it as on-duty not driving time?

(a)

Guidance:

A driver may record time operating a CMV for yard moves as on-duty not driving under 49 CFR 395.8(b) only if the movement of the CMV occurs in a confined area on private property (or intermodal facility or briefly on public roads, as described below). Examples of properties that may qualify as yards include, but are not limited to:

An intermodal yard or port facility.
A motor carrier's place of business.
A shipper's privately-owned parking lot.
A public road, but only if and while public access to the road is restricted through traffic control measures such as lights, gates, flaggers or other means. For example, if a driver must operate on a public road briefly to reach different parts of a private property, the movement may be considered a yard move if public access is restricted during the move.

(b) Examples of properties that do not qualify as yards, include, but are not limited to:

A public road without the traffic control measures in paragraph (a)(4) above.
Public rest areas.

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PalePersonality6331@reddit

Old info? I gave you a link from 2024 and you give me a information from 2020? J. J. Keller is an authority on all things trucking so I'll take their interpretation to be more meaningful than misunderstanding the reg from 2020. Also, truck stops do not stop the public from accessing them so even from what you posted "public rest areas" are not acceptable places to use yard move.

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Down2EatPossum@reddit

I got it from 86 FR 179. I guess they would have to further define a public rest area, truck stops are private property. Public rest area would be a literal rest area. Truck stops have signage that define Truck area vs normal public area, mostly anyway. Seems more of a gray area than anything.

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Down2EatPossum@reddit

Should also note that as of yet, FMCSA has not opted to define a "yard".

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Down2EatPossum@reddit

Yard Moves “Yard moves” is the term for transfers of CMVs between locations within a terminal or similar facility on private property. Yard moves may not occur on a “highway,” as defined in § 390.5T, i.e., any road, street, or way, public or private, that the public can operate a four-wheeled vehicle on that is not restricted by signs or gates. Under the regulations for electronic logging devices (ELDs), yard moves are classified as on-duty not driving time. But just what is a “yard?” FMCSA is trying to better define that term. On January 4, 2021, the Agency published proposed guidance with examples of properties that would and would not qualify as a “yard” (86 FR 179). Yard move status could be used “only if the movement of the CMV occurs in a confined area on private property (or intermodal facility or briefly on public roads …)” For further details, please see the January 4, 2021 Federal Register notice.

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VGPreach@reddit

Nerd

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PalePersonality6331@reddit

Thanks 🤓

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icodyonline@reddit

That rule was changed. You can PC even if under a load as long as you’re not progressing to the pick up or delivery unless safe parking is in that direction. Obviously it has to be the nearest first place. And since truck stops have a policy against taking breaks at fuel Islands you can use PC to progress to a place to park

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Mobile-Ostrich7614@reddit

Legally he can use yard move as it’s a private yard. But even in the eyes of the DOT the ELD creep is technically a no-no as your moving the truck for on-duty purposes while being off-duty

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PalePersonality6331@reddit

https://eld.kellerencompass.com/resources/blog/2019-blogs/top-10-faqs-about-the-eld-yard-move-special-driving-category#:~:text=Can%20I%20use%20a%20Yard,cannot%20be%20considered%20a%20yard.

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Down2EatPossum@reddit

Taken from FMCSA directly

30-Minute Driving Break Drivers must take a 30-minute break when they have driven for a period of 8 cumulative hours without at least a 30-minute interruption. The break may be satisfied by any non-driving period of 30 consecutive minutes (i.e., on-duty not driving, off-duty, sleeper berth, or any combination of these taken consecutively)

Neither PC or yard move works because they are driving functions.

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icodyonline@reddit

Their definition of driving is on highway or roads. Yard move and driving are two different things in the eyes of the FMCSA

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Down2EatPossum@reddit

Nice, I stand corrected on that, now do PC

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icodyonline@reddit

PC is a little more tricky. You can use PC during your 10 and 34 hour reset and it will count towards your break. You can also be on PC and it would satisfy the 30 minute break on your ELD. Whether or not it was legal depends on where you went while on PC. You can PC to a mall or a restaurant during your 30 minute break

https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/regulations/hours-service/personal-conveyance-frequently-asked-questions-0

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Down2EatPossum@reddit

Nice, this is why I post, lord knows there are a million regulations that are constantly changing. I stand fully corrected.

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icodyonline@reddit

https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/regulations/hours-service/may-driver-use-yard-moves-satisfy-30-minute-break-requirement

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Severe-Island-845@reddit

Not all companies allow that.

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easymachtdas@reddit

And it's absolutely not allowed =']

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Down2EatPossum@reddit

It absolutely is. Copied from FMCSA directly.

30-Minute Driving Break Drivers must take a 30-minute break when they have driven for a period of 8 cumulative hours without at least a 30-minute interruption. The break may be satisfied by any non-driving period of 30 consecutive minutes (i.e., on-duty not driving, off-duty, sleeper berth, or any combination of these taken consecutively)

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halfcow@reddit

You can absolutely use PC for parking. Why would it not be allowed? You are moving for the benefit of the driver from the fuel island to a parking space. You are not advancing the load.

The driver has to go into the store to pee. That's for the benefit of the driver.

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InShapeTrucker@reddit

If there’s heavy traffic and I’m empty and I catch ya on an uphill, brother, you best believe I’m going to let that line of traffic behind me get by by getting in front of you before or on the downhill. Throw on your engine brake and enjoy the scenery. Now if it’s an empty road, of course I’ll just stay in the left lane for the inevitable pass I’m going to make because you’re loaded.

I’ve been driving 20 years, man. I do take my own advice and just use the engine brake going downhill if someone has started to pass me. It’s just a lot less stressful to let them go, get good distance, and then resume using momentum.

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tommychong41698@reddit

Should look up “2001 space odyssey”, the first scene with the monkeys is 100000% truck stops in a nut shell

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Feral_Newspaper@reddit

Switch to on duty yard move. Then you can drive up to 15mph (i think could be 25) and out still counts as a break.

I do it all the time stuck in traffic.

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Blanc0_one@reddit

Some great illegal advice

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Feral_Newspaper@reddit

I've had my logs checked several times an no one says anything. I always log why I do it when I do it. Been driving almost 5 years now. Course my truck is always 100% in order so maybe that's why cops don't bother me. Lots of guys driving with broken trucks they prolly take all the heat.

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Blanc0_one@reddit

Yeah there's a lot of those trucks with all their fast food wrappers on the dash that keep dot busy and we skate by on the small things, but if they actually wanted to you know they could get you for that

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Feral_Newspaper@reddit

Lol yea, but I got good karma. As a team driver I dont trip on hours like the solos do. Takes ten minutes to fuel and wash windows so it's easy enough to fuel then drive regular to a spot then kill a break. 10 minutes won't hurt me. I can't stand people crawling lol. Like let me by lol.

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Blanc0_one@reddit

I get that, I had a student with me most of the time until I got this local route

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Feral_Newspaper@reddit

Although to be fair there is an option to select for an accident within yard move. I'd argue it depends on how often you use it and the exact reason. And if you get caught lol.

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Blanc0_one@reddit

All legal til dot comes knockin

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hooligan-6318@reddit

Attempting to finish a 30 at the fuel isle isn't "doing the right thing"

A typical fuel (for me) with cleaning windows, in to piss, grab drinks, wait in line, receipts.. about 20 to 25 minutes.

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jaireworld@reddit

Learn to read

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hooligan-6318@reddit

What part of "the fuel isle isn't for your 30 minute break" am I missing?

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Known-Brain-6862@reddit

I feel that- been at it for 16 straight months and it’s starting to fuel like in enslaved in a sheet metal cage on wheels

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pixeltok@reddit

One thing I've learned in my days driving is that truck drivers are one of the most unlikeable, disgusting, inconsiderate, narcissistic, self absorbed groups of people you will ever come into contact with. Expect everyone to suck, understand everyone DOES suck, and just mind your business. After a few confrontations, a few fist fights, and lots of shaking my head, I just ignore everyone at this point and realize it's just not worth it to care about. But it's definitely a nice breath of fresh air when you meet a cool trucker.

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Minimum-Jacket-705@reddit

Amen.

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Radiant-Cat-7164@reddit

You actually slow down faster loaded than you do empty they didn't teach you that in school. Lmfao

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Wasabi-Kungpow@reddit

Why creep? There's this wonderful invention called yard move. Fuel up, yard move to parking spot, finish 30. Truck stops are private property, just like shippers/receivers.

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xxenoscionxx@reddit

Yard moves only help your 14 hour clock I thought ?

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Wasabi-Kungpow@reddit

No, yard move saves your 11h drive clock. It will take away from 14. It's on duty time not driving.

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xxenoscionxx@reddit

Gotcha , I had it reversed. I’ve only used it at Coors or Walmart. I probably should use it more.

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OrganizationNo6167@reddit

“Customer lots that do not have prohibitive signs or gates, malls, truck stops, and parking lots the public can access are all places that cannot be considered a yard”

Examples of Yard Move Locations: -Carrier’s terminal -Customer’s facility with restricted access -Rail yard -Private parking lot with restricted access

Examples of Non-Yard Move Locations: -Truck stops -Malls -Public parking lots -Unsecured terminals or docks

Not to be that guy but this is bad advice and is illegal

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cnash@reddit

Sure, but so is the under-five-mile-an-hour creep. It's supposed to be drive time, even if you're driving really slowly. I dunno why you're fussing about what is and isn't a yard for doing yard moves, when the alternative at hand isn't any more kosher.

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OrganizationNo6167@reddit

Welp you better make sure you pull up faster than 5mph when done getting fuel, you moved the truck so you better log drive time!!!

But for real It’s about what DOT can prove you were in violation for, For OPs situation, his log will show vehicle movement for .01 miles. Nothing suspicious. Truck stop was busy couldn’t drive any faster, so what?

Yard move at a truck stop with gps location on your logs of you doing so, easy Pickens for DOT.

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Ur_Fav_Step-Redditor@reddit

You’re chatting pure shit! That’s not an FMSCA rule. I use yard move EVERY SINGLE TIME I’m at a truck stop and I’ve passed more than a few inspections where the DOT officer literally THANKS me for the why I leave notes on every yard move.

A truck stop is private property the same way a shipper is. Nowhere in that goddamn handbook does it say it needs to be some hyper secure location that shoots 4wheelers on site for trying to enter. You can not use it on PUBLIC ROADS, meaning any road that isn’t on privately owned property. You also can’t use it at a rest area. But yes, tf, you actually can use it at truck stops. I’ve been doing it for like 7yrs now bc I’m very proficient at reading comprehension and I read and comprehend what tf they wrote in the handbook.

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OsBaculum@reddit

literally quotes the FMCSA's guidance

"You're fulla shit!"

This country man

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Snookfilet@reddit

Same. I use it every single time and have never had anyone say a word about it.

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Actual_Handle_3@reddit

Under the old rule, 10/15/8, I was taught that was on duty, not driving. 25 years later, I still log it the same way. On paper, it makes sense. It's in 15 minute blocks, and you round to the nearest 15 minutes. 12 minutes to fuel, 3 minutes to park, that's 15 minutes of on duty. Elogs, that's falsification!

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jonsalas@reddit

Although you are 100% correct, there’s no way to tell where the yard move took place. As long as you’re not getting inspected at the truck stop, you’ll be fine. I’ll tell you this, as a former flatbedder, DOT knows we need to loophole the shit out of our logs to be able to make money sometimes. What they’re looking for is that your logs make sense. If you just have driving and sleeper berth for 6 days in a row, that’s going to be a problem. When did you fuel? When did you unload? When did you reload. As long as they see the stuff they want to see, they’re not going to say much.

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MADLUX2015@reddit

And not all companies have their eld's set up to use yard move.

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raddrobb67@reddit

Truck stops have public access, which makes using yard move illegal per FMCSA regulations.

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Ur_Fav_Step-Redditor@reddit

That’s bullshit but continue to struggle if that’s what makes you feel good.

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RedlineM5@reddit

Not everyone has it.

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Severe-Island-845@reddit

Many companies remove that option from the ELD configuration

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edsavage404@reddit

Not every company has yard move

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Nero-Danteson@reddit

Mine's never counted yard moves as 'On Duty-not driving'.

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Wasabi-Kungpow@reddit

Yard move is on duty not driving. That's the whole point of it is to get off the drive line.

Is yours counting it on the drive line?

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Nero-Danteson@reddit

Mega carrier. It doesn't tick on the drive line but does show yard moves on the On duty section. It's ticked me for violation of my 30 minutes even though I was in yard moves for like 45. (Didn't really bother me, I was shutting down for the day) Got a call the next day like "You went into violation yesterday care to tell me about it?" Pointed out that I wasn't really but company policy is 30 minutes either on duty or off with the truck in park🙄

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Wasabi-Kungpow@reddit

That's weird. Yard move would be the same as just being on duty, pre trip, post trip, etc. I can yard move for my full 30 if I wanted. I just can't drive faster than 15mph, or it will kick over to the drive line. I couldn't go with a company that adds on another layer of stupid rules ontop of the stupid rules.

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Fuzzy1598@reddit

I wish mine would kick over to the drive. There's been times I forget to go back on/off duty and I've driven 3 hours. Check my hours and oh would you look at that I've been in yard move.🤣

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weebdiffusion@reddit

Could just park and take your 30 out of the way

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soda61pop@reddit

Reread what he wrote. He was pulling off the fuel island to finish his 30. Eld creeping and the asshats blew their horn.

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Some-Bag-1028@reddit

Dude! There no such thing as a 30 minute fuel! Your a dick

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soda61pop@reddit

Im a dick? For pointing out that he was pulling OFF the fuel island. Get fucked loser. Tell me youve never started ya thirty on the fuel island while waiting to fuel, getting fuel, pulling up,grabbing your receipt, pissing, then leaving the fuel island to have about 10 mins to kill after all that. Once again,I iterate that he was leaving the fuel island at a creep to clear it so the next guy can pull up. I fail to see an issue with this.

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Some-Bag-1028@reddit

Ya must be a new driver? Anyone who takes 30 minutes to fuel a truck is why this business sucks! Ya can tell me to fuck myself but il be the driver in front of you eating my subway and relaxing while I get paid by the hour watching you steam behind me😘

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soda61pop@reddit

Yea if 30 years out here is new, douche. You still fail to comprehend that he was actively moving off the island. How dense are you? No I dont take a 30 on the fuel island and no one else should either.

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xxenoscionxx@reddit

When am in and out , no bathroom, etc it takes far less than 30 mins with high flow pumps

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weebdiffusion@reddit

Shouldn't have started his 30 while on the fuel island fueling is on duty

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Few-Chemical-5165@reddit

I drove for thirty one years.It doesn't get any better sweetie. In fact it'll get much much worse.

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Ecstatic_Kick_6479@reddit

Sometime just beat they ass lollll they will stop lolll

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TruckinTuba@reddit

So glad I don't have to worry about that 30 min break anymore

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Jojo19911991@reddit

Use yard move my brotha and keep it under 20

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PalePersonality6331@reddit

Don't do this! Yard Move is not permitted at a truck stop, full stop.

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xxenoscionxx@reddit

Ya plus yard moves and drive time are the only to uneditable status’s

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Ok_Swim3109@reddit

Those are just some of the reasons I got out of otr. I’m local now working 45 hr weeks getting paid by the hour and home every night. I was going to kill somebody if I kept driving out there. Too many idiots

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Rolando_motaxx@reddit

Thats my plan. 6months - 1year experience. Then go local. Where u working local ?

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Ok_Swim3109@reddit

A small local company here in Tucson. Delivering building material all day. My day starts at 5 in the morning and usually ends by 3

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Rolando_motaxx@reddit

Thats hella nice man congrats. I tell my family its only temporary. Im 4 months in, time has flew by fast.

I look at job listing on the classifieds all the time but dont see many local job listings. Mostly otr. Youd think there would be more in a large city like Los angeles.

I will try to look at local construction type companies. Thank you.

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kwikf12@reddit

Good thing I don't have a baby monitor in my truck 😂 I think I'd quit trucking if I had that nonsense telling me I can't drive a few hundred feet to park out of the way.

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RealQuadMan@reddit

I wouldn’t take my thirty at the fuel island. Unless it’s so busy that it takes that long to get fuel. That shit pisses me off when I’m in a hurry and finish fuelling and buddy’s still blocking me in.

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Some-Bag-1028@reddit

I take my 30 now on purpose! Dosnt even matter if I need one because I’m hourly. I just do it to add to the multiple problems out here and about to retire. The rest of yall? Too bad! All we do is whine and absolutely nothing getting done😂

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easymachtdas@reddit

OP is implying he was doing the off duty creep to get away from the fuel island. Fuel, pull up, grab receipt bathroom food, hop in the truck with 10 min left to finish the 30. So creep so the next person can pull up

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Some-Bag-1028@reddit

Do like most new drivers! Go in shower,snack and take a dump. Then come back to fuel. Screw the rest of these brain dead steering wheel holders it’s the new way out here so all the rules out the window like your farts.

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Sensitive-Pass-6552@reddit

https://i.imgur.com/yyGqR6C.jpeg Amen brother!

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Cummin_N_Hott@reddit

It'll only get worse as the years go on 🙃

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JoshNormal@reddit

Hey man just cause people are braindead doesn't mean you gotta be. Don't let em get you down just do what you are here to do and fuck the shitty people. Also keep your mind warm listen to mentally stimulating content and stay up. ✊🏾

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NoMasterpiece2063@reddit

I didn't have anger issues until I got out on the road and figured out how incredibly stupid people can be. I'm glad I'm out at the end of the year.

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Feisty-Protagonist@reddit

The fuel island is not your personal parking lot.

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Slaughter_them_all@reddit (OP)

Holy shit people can’t read this is like the third comment I’ve had say this. I’ll make sure to be perfectly clear next time I post

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northnorthhoho@reddit

Honestly I had a bit of road rage the other day. I was at the gas station purely for DEF. Pulled up to the first pump and of course it's broken.

As I'm pulling into the pump beside me, another driver started to pull in and I was 100% ready to fight him until he backed out.

I was 100% in the wrong, and overly agressive, but we've all been there.

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Minniemutt12@reddit

I'm a 5ft tall woman who normally hates confrontation and can't even look people in the eyes. I've had plenty of those days.

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Dull-Attention202@reddit

😂😂 sometimes it’s one of them days

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Desperate_Tourist554@reddit

Pretty profound for only 8 months in.

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phantomacid13@reddit

My biggest complaint is people passing me then slowing down to less than what I'm doing or people not being able to maintain speed with open road in front of them, I'm trying to drive not play leap frog. Oh and JBcunt and CRE being in the middle lane getting passed on both sides.

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loverd84@reddit

I am not surprised, it kills me to see drivers in flip flops and shorts, thinking blocking the island is okay!!!

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ifukeenrule@reddit

Just fuel up and and find a parking spot. It should only take you about 7 minutes to fuel up. I only move up and park if I'm going to be in and out, not for my thirty. The driver behind you might be on a tight schedule and need to leave. So all your doing is holding him back by taking your 30 at the fuel island area

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mansondroid@reddit

I won't lie and tell you it gets any better; but if you can hold out until you're making a decent six figure salary with an easy as shit run, you'll be happy you did.

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Princetrix@reddit

LOL people lack patience and the mental capacity to understand common sense. Don’t take it the wrong way. It just shows they can’t keep their emotions in check. It’s never worth confronting them either (as someone who used to as a bigger dude). Just made me feel worse afterwards.

Someone on here years ago once said the key to trucking is staying as cool as a cucumber. I’ve remembered that since and applied it.

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