Is it common for vehicles to have metal panels that are only glued together? I can't say that I've heard of that before, but I'm far from an expert on car construction.
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Just about any modern car will have adhesive holding structural parts. Most of the time the are also tac welded together. But the adhesive is doing most of the work
Partially true, there's a lot of adhesive and body bond mostly to seal panels and sometimes to help keep panels placed properly during bodyweld. But the spot welds are still responsible for the majority of the structural integrity, not the adhesive.
Proposed by who? is that the ONLY fix? i guarantee it isn’t. how many other vehicles do you know that use a nut and bolt to secure decorative trim that weren’t made in the 80’s or before? because i bet i know a lot more that use solely adhesive for their decorative trim
lol, yes. decorative trim the size of the pillar trim on the CT will never be found with more than just adhesive and MAYBE, just maybe plastic clips with near to the same integrity. there are exceptions, but most cars use solely adhesive for small trim
That’s usually a fairly high quality adhesive and not the door on the CT. There’s also usually welds or fasteners somewhere on the panel and it isn’t relying on the adhesive to hold the whole panel on.
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Lotus Elise and Exige's used epoxy resin to bond the chassis together (as well as rivets) because it was lighter than welds. That's as close as I can recall though.
I worked in autobody for 4 years and pretty much everything is fastened together with bolts and clips
It allowed use of thinner aluminium, thinner than could be welded.
Applies to the Tesla roadster of course, since it was essentially a Lotus Elise with batteries, and built on the same production line in Hethel.
Screws are good, I like screws. A simple single woodscrew (mind you, woodscrews are made of metal and not wood - in case someone didn't know) can hold up to 800 kilograms of weight when screwed firmly into the wall.
What a coinkydink, just yesterday I was climbing out of an old wooden bin in the granary when the top rung of the "ladder" (simply boards nailed to the inside studs) broke off as I was pulling on it. Luckily there was about 8" of oats on the floor to break my fall. The rungs had been nailed on with reused 6d nails around 1945. I was stuck in the bin until dad came with the screw gun and we refastened the top rung with deck screws.
Interesting, well I learned something. My boss at that shop was really wealthy and we got to work on some VERY interesting cars, but I can't say we ever had a trabant haha. Doubt there's very many in America at all.
You should check out Aging Wheels on YouTube. Robert over there has a Trabant that he basically rebuilt the engine on. He's also taken it out drag racing and doing a form of autocross racing in it.
The aftermarket for Trabants is notable in that almost any modification you make to a Trabant will inherently improve it. It's difficult to make a Trabant worse.
There is one I see all the time covered in dust at a port customs hold lock up. Right next to a London Taxi with an Oracle advertisement on the side and a beat up Lamborghini. The Trabant has been sitting there 10+ years and so has the Taxi. Stuck forever in customs hold, likely abandoned. I sat in it, feels like a cheap carnival ride car.
Yeah, but that's probably all polymers and carbon fiber. Stuff that probably doesn't expand and contract in the heat and cold as much as stainless steel does.
It's lighter because welding aluminum weakens the metal. It takes half the amount of material to bond two pieces of aluminum compared to welding it. [there's a really good article about how it's done. ](https://www.gardnerweb.com/articles/lotus-bonds-with-aluminum)
The all-glass roof trend for EVs have a history of being susceptible to flying off, due to uncured or poorly-specced epoxy. These "growing pains" are outright scary when you see videos of glass roofs flying off on the freeway, but fortunately the automakers acted swiftly and decisively to address the issue.
With the Cybertruck, this issue was publicly known for way too long before a recall was issued.
I watched Tavarish’s series rebuilding the wrecked McLaren 765LT and he had to use like 500 tiny bottles of a special order glue to put it back together.
I recall he took his McLaren’s damaged carbon fiber frame part to a carbon fiber expert who specialized in repairing expensive racing bicycles but had branched out into repairing car parts.
The little glue bottles were to glue various panels together.
A contributing issue here is likely that it is a stainless steel panel. Stainless steel is notoriously difficult to glue. They probably did a great job gluing a very thin layer of chromium oxide to the vehicle.
Genuinely asking here, not being sarcastic: would using epoxy rather than glue have fared any better, if the issue is that the adhesive was bonded to that thin oxide layer? Like, are there epoxies (or glues, for that matter) that can penetrate the oxide layer and get to the "real" stainless steel beneath/behind it?
For all we know epoxy was the adhesive used by Tesla.
There are etching options, and also surface prep options.
It is possible to stick stainless steel to stuff, it’s just not easy. You can’t use the same methods that would work on a regular steel monocoque.
Glueing is become more common, and there's automotive engineers that hate fasteners and prefer glueing when possible in vehicles, including Munro. Fasteners either want to loosen over time, like screws and bolts, or can cause rattles and stuff like clips.
As someone in the car manufacturing industry, glue is NOT common on car exteriors.
Even on the interiors like the a pillar or door panels are attached with hooks and clips or sewn together not glued
It's fundamentally a sound construction technique *in abstract*. The F-35 and F-22 are both epoxied together. High-end epoxies are a thing.
The problem here isn't glue, it is that Tesla is just slapdashing together solutions to make the strange design of the Cybertruck work.
> Look what happened with the hubcaps, which were rubbing against the tires.
Does this matter though? wouldn't the hubcaps be spinning at the same speed as the tires in the same direction anyway?
Yeah it kinda matters when your hubcaps start [wearing down your sidewalls.](https://www.thedrive.com/news/tesla-cybertruck-special-wheel-covers-damage-special-tires-sidewalls) This is why we're supposed to have professional engineers designing things and doing [FMEA](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Failure_mode_and_effects_analysis) meetings.
Not to spoil the parade or anything but hubcaps rubbing on sidewalks isn’t terribly uncommon. The usual reason a hubcap flies off on a car is tire sidewalk flexing, hitting the hubcap and sending it flying
Also literally no car has been designed in a way that would allow hubcap rubbing, let alone hubcap ejection since the '70s, and even then it was only the particularly shit cars that would do it.
That explains all the flying off/missing hubcaps that caused countless continuity errors in chase scenes of police TV shows and movies in the '60s-'80s. (Also the best time for that kind of scene IMO)
Makes sense. Thanks for the explanation. Haven't thought about the flex.
Not sure why I got a million down votes for asking a question - but that's reddit for you haha
You were downvoted because car subs are flooded with Tesla fans/astroturfers "just asking questions" whenever anyone dares to question Tesla engineering decisions and people are sick of it.
Tires are not static objects - they flex and vibrate as a car drives and turns, so a piece of plastic close to the tire can definitely come into contact with it and cause abrasive damage. And that's not to mention the possibility of debris being caught between the tire and the wheel cover, which would accelerate the process. While it's not so severe as it would be if they were spinning separately, it's still an issue.
Makes sense. Thanks for the explanation. Haven't thought about the flex.
Not sure why I got a million down votes for asking a question - but that's reddit for you haha
>knows more about manufacturing than anyone else on earth
This right here sums up the leadership vacuum the world (particular the U.S.) find ourselves in right now.
To juxtapose: Good leadership is earned and "leaders eat last"
Don't see Elon doing that.
in modern cars it is pretty common to have non structural panels held on with structural adhesive, when applied properly it can be as strong or stronger than welds or bolts. BMW is one example who use it mostly for plastic panels, Saturn (R.I.P) also dit this, Tata outright attaches body panels with adhesive. McLaren, Ferrari, Porsche, and Lamborghini all make extensive use of panel adhesive because of the composite materials they employ and how much lighter it is than alternatives, same with BMW, Mercedes and Audi on higher end models where weight or complexity is a consideration. As well if you’ve ever had body work or repairs done on your car it’s increasingly likely the repairs were done with panel adhesive and not welding, more and more body shops are using it for repairs
Knowing Tesla, the adhesive is probably spec'd appropriately but they're cutting corners on cleaning and surface preparation. That or it's an adhesive that works ok in California but gets too brittle in any colder climate.
I’m an engineer in automotive, but I mainly work on interiors. From what I’ve seen on exteriors, I’ve seen a lot of clips and screws/bolts, similar to clips and screws/bolts being used on interiors.
"Is the PPAP complete?"
"Nah, send it!"
"But what about field failures?"
"I don't hear that spelling S3XY results for the fiscal year, I said send it!"
Yea meanwhile I have daily meetings with the customer if we aren’t going to meet their required PPAP date. It’s crazy how different shit is. I’ve heard that they were doing production in tool shops 😂
I believe this 100%... although it's even more insane to me because that has to eat profits instead of it being an assembly line process.
I wouldn't feel bad about you doing things the right way - I'm in supply chain for an OEM, and we won't shortcut our PPAP approvals either (as we shouldn't, because our brand's quality requires those checks and balances)
First, fuck Musk, and fuck Tesla.
Second, its actually a fairly common technique, and has been around for a long time. Even chassis elements can be glued together.
Yeah, usually Panel Bond is literally stronger than the substrate it’s binding. Steel with rip apart around the areas where the panel bond is before the glue fails. Stuff is truly amazing.
Any company making chemicals in America is poisoning local people unfortunately, we just had St Gobain get kicked out of my area for poisoning the water table in at least 5 nearby communities
Yes, and this isn't a Tesla specific issue. If you've owned a Ford from the 90s, you'd be used to shit falling off. The only real difference is that they used double sided tape, not glue.
It’s not entirely unheard of, even Rivian’s use a high end epoxy coupled with a shit load of heavily torqued down bolts, to bind the skateboard to the body frame.
Yes, they do it all the time. Most of the famed 111 chassis was glued together and the glue still works just fine after almost 30 years.
Ferrari and other manufacturers also bond some of their parts with proper adhesives... Just like skyscraper builders do to keep glass in place.
The technique is safe and adhesives are well understood by virtually all good car manufacturers.
He's not:
[https://www.techdirt.com/2023/09/12/the-batshit-crazy-story-of-the-day-elon-musk-decided-to-personally-rip-servers-out-of-a-sacramento-data-center/](https://www.techdirt.com/2023/09/12/the-batshit-crazy-story-of-the-day-elon-musk-decided-to-personally-rip-servers-out-of-a-sacramento-data-center/)
Even if you don't work in IT, you can probably appreciate how mental this is lol.
There's also that recording of a meeting Muskrat had with senior Twitter engineers after he bought it. He was going on about how bad the "crazy" tech stack was, and one of the engineers pushed him to explain exactly what was wrong with it. Of course Elon kept deflecting, because he doesn't actually know anything about software development. That senior engineer ended up getting fired after the call.
Oh, and then there was telling developers to print out code they worked on for code reviews...
My Elise's chassis is aluminum and glue.
Granted, very very fancy glue. People say it's harder than aluminum and joke they shoulda just made the chassis out of glue.
There is some irony in that Tesla's first car was a rebodied, and halfway re-engineered 111 chassis from Lotus (ie, Elise/Exige/etc platform.) As unreliable as the Roadster was, it didn't have aluminum/steel falling off, I think.
Well, yes and no. Adhesive is quite commonly used, but usually in conjunction with mechanical fasteners (screws, rivets, clips, etc), and seldom on body panels afaik.
Like, a lotus elise chassis is all glued and riveted together.
Just like every Tesla, they’re cheap economy cars masquerading as luxury vehicles. Finally people are realizing this. Felt insane these last five to ten years arguing the point
>Is it common for vehicles to have metal panels that are only glued together?
[Yes,](https://nationalautobodywholesalers.com/product/3m-8115-panel-bonding-adhesive-200ml-syringe/?gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjw-e6-BhDmARIsAOxxlxVUBnFGll0gdAObijJJNeIBV7qz1MRkWlBRGHQpOS_P0m7_IcmumQwaAmnCEALw_wcB) actually.
The delorean did, and while not metal panels, most vehicles have some if not all their windows installed with adhesive and those also tend to not fall off randomly
Basically the entire body of my Transit, behind the driver's seat is held together with structural adhesives.
That said, it's kinda a mix and match style vehicle where they have to adjust to 3 lengths, 3 roof heights, and window configs so it's a bit different than a passenger car.
tbf i don't think Elon cares about what other manufacturers do, but at the same time i don't think he'd want to pay for all the silver and silver flux needed to braze at the steel used in his cars so yeah it is basically non existant
Nah I work on cars for fun. The most common “glued on parts” are usually aftermarket stuff like a duckbill or some carbon overlays with 3m vhb tape. That stuff is incredibly strong and if done right it’s gonna rip the paint off before the glue/adhesive fails. I wonder what Tesla is using cause vhb would prob work fine here but it’s prob too expensive for them
It is common to use structural adhesives in cars - but not the way they did. And they also totally missed by specing a glue with improper heat tolerances. It probably gets 150+F behind that panel during hot days.
I believe the Tata Nano used glue instead of weds and rivets for body panels, but I don’t know if the panels were metal, and also it was a brand new car for 3 grand so what else do you want?
From what seemed like the pinnacle of automotive creations, is now turning into a harrowing shambles of a bureaucratic rush job. I feel terrible for all the passionate workers of this project.
"Rapid unscheduled disassembly" is fairly common lingo in rocketry, because rockets sometimes do have planned/scheduled disassemblies.
Cars should not have disassemblies, planned or otherwise, while driving.
Typical flippant childishness from musk, a\same as he does when one of their rockets fails. He acts like if he makes fun of it, we’ll all laugh along with him.
Not really tbh. All things considered, their auto pilot is pretty good. I paid 3k for someone else’s advanced cruise control to add on to my car and it still doesn’t touch Tesla software.
Could it be better, sure. But don’t pretend it’s not pretty good.
Wasn't there the Chinese guy that tried to let his Tesla self drive and had to stop because it got 5 tickets and would have cost him his license if he let it go on? Driving into bike and bus lanes etc.
Maybe Tesla just is so American that it cannot comprehend non-car infrastructure though
It's all ass. But nobody else does camera-only. Subaru is an oft-cited comparison, but they still have ranging radar and proximity sonar like the early Teslas... and they don't encourage you to sit back and let the car drive
But Subaru doesn’t use radar or sonar for Eyesight’s ranging, it *is* camera-only for forward facing stuff. Blind spot detection and RCTA use other sensors but everything is relies on the camera.
No but every other manufacturer uses radar or lidar in conjunction with cameras. Cameras don’t work well in fog for collision avoidance or emergency braking. Radar works much better in adverse weather for safety.
Wow… I’m totally expecting Tesla drivers to run into mirrors on the road. Their software works better than most other companies especially for the cost of
sir this is the daily /cars thread where we complain about tesla as an extension of musk, let's not spark any sort of real discussion what is wrong with you
Nah. Tesla's Autopilot was world class when it was released, *over a decade ago.* Now, there are more systems above it than below, even with the moderate upgrade offered by "Full Self Driving".
At best, you could argue it allows you to relinquish control of the vehicle in more situations than most, but even that is at the cost of pretty extreme lack of safety.
I haven't owned one. But was first tipped off when a big-time radio host in Los Angeles here bragged about getting his first Tesla (Model X).
Then took a loss to sell it almost immediately. He *hated* it because it "felt junky"
He bought a BMW iX. Says it's the best car he's omever owned.
Luxury buyers know what's up. 👍
> People should stop pretending like Tesla builds cars and trucks.
Oh, do they not build cars and trucks?
I know what this reddit-ism is trying to say, but it's really just pretty stupid. You can just say they make sub-par cars.
It’s not even build quality issues, and is “if done correctly it wouldn’t happen.”
It’s from an engineering and common sense standpoint, they are designed so poorly that it falls apart when used as intended in normal conditions.
They’re just fucking garage vehicles from a shit brand.
I remember Clarkson and May making that documentary, "The Worst Car in the History of the World," where they asked which *carmarker that should've known better* built the worst car.
And it was a genuinely good question. (I think they settled on an early 00s Lexus SC convertible.)
Sad nowadays that formerly tough questions (e.g. stupidest stock bubble ever, worst US president ever) are now so *easy* to answer. Sad, really.
I love giving the thumbs down to anyone who drives one. They thought they were edgy and cool but reality is kicking them in the face and I am here for it.
Funny enough, I think the biggest problem with the car is that they sold too many. When it first came out and was hard to get, seeing one was almost an event. It looked like nothing else ever built and was huge so it got the driver probably more attention than any car since the invention of the automobile.
Now that they are all over (at least in the Seattle area) it's not a big deal anymore and the only good thing you could really say about the car is basically gone.
I’m really surprised by how old they look now, i’m not talking about in terms of design but the metal. I don’t know what it’s called but the oxidation? Like i’m already seeing splotches of different colors on the silver Cybertrucks and it makes it look like every panel is a different shade. It’s happening to my neighbor’s Cybertruck and he just got it last year and it looks terrible
I really doubt anyone bought one for exclusivity; it's always been planned as a full scale production vehicle.
It's just an efficient truck that uses their UI and happens to have bonkers styling.
Intent and reality are two different things.
It's a competitor to the AMG G63 and the Range Rover Sport. That's what it is. You buy one to be seen in one, because you think it's cool, because you have money to blow on something unique. You *assume* no one else will be driving one because if they did, it would become rather pedestrian quite quickly.
That means the reality is *timed* exclusivity: Everyone rushed to be one of the first to get one. After about a year and as more pour into the streets, most owners are going to get bored of it and move onto the next thing.
It's a dopamine high, a sugar fix.
It wasn't the exclusivity, just the attention. If someone was the type of person who had to have peoples attention, that car did a really good job of it.
Just going to drop this same line every time I see one of these Tesla recall posts:
Every vehicle manufacture has multiple recalls on each build... new and older. Like a combined millions of vehciles ever year across different brands. This is nothing new or substantial. It's just getting blown up by main stream media oulets.. The ones that are consistently getting called out for lying to us all the time.
It's a recall not a factory buy back like the headlines portray by saying "recalled thousands of Teslas". Recalls mean you go to the dealer and they fix it for free under warranty and then you drive it back home. I'm sure any of you that have owed/own a new GM, Chrysler, Ford, Subaru,.. the list goes on but if you own a new vehicle you'll get recalls. If you own an older model year, you'll get less recalls.
When you buy a new vehicle nearly half of the price tag is to cover the new car warranty so the factory can keep up with reimbursing dealers for warranty repairs on vehicles sold as well as the anticipation of the various forms of recalls/campaigns prompted by dealer feedback, customer feedback, and NHSTA investigations.
GM had a recall for literally putting EMPTY heated seat modules in their new trucks.. like a plastic shells instead of a computer module. They all do dumb shit all the time.
Quality has fallen to the way side in today's automotive industry especially in domestic brands. Factorys want retuning customers not reliable builds, thats why they promote "brand loyalty" purchase incentives. Is what it is. This is a result of us buyers always wanting something newer and better.
I know this for a fact because I manage a warranty claims department for the largest dealership conglomerate in my state who sells and services multiple brands.
The resolve? Buy something built before 2010 and keep it running or buy new and trade in every 3 years or 36k miles or lease... unless your upside down on your loan for driving the piss out of it.
Ps. Most everything built after 2019 seems to be junk unless it's top tier brands.. at best.
A vehicle is the worst return investment you can make. Just try and do it smart to loose the least amount while getting what you feel is most valued to your wants, needs, and financial situation. All brands have pros and cons and no one vehicle or "deal" is best for everyone
Rant over, some of the most legit advice you'll hear in this topic, your welcome.
Good luck, have fun, buy smart.
I wonder how many people are horrifically upside down on these wankpanzers to the point that they can't afford to sell them and hope they never get totalled.
It might surprised you to know that nothing is really bullet-proof, there's always a bigger bullet. Bullet-proof vest have [ratings](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_body_armor_performance_standards) for what kind of projectiles they can stop. Most bullet proof glass will break with a shotgun slug or a 45-70 rifle originally designed for buffalo hunting. And going back to when tanks started being used in combat they've made rifles designed to penetrate their hulls:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-tank_rifle
> It might surprised you to know that nothing is really bullet-proof, there's always a bigger bullet.
I mean, after you go past the DShK you're sort of in "shell" territory :-p
I mean fair but when you get to the point where you ate using bomb proof armor you usually talking about things that weigh and cost several tons. And even bomb proof armor has limits.
True, it will stop subsonic projectiles and 22LR, but not supersonic pistol or pretty much any rifle rounds. I’m surprised I haven’t heard of up-armoring kits yet although I’m sure some exist.
I hate to be that guy but they did. They said it was bullet resistant but under certain conditions. Like the bullets had to be sub sonic, 9 mm, at more than 35m, and at so many grains. So they weren't "lying" but you had to meet these crazy conditions which would not be used in real life situations.
Look it up on YouTube. A gun YouTuber bought a spare door for one and shit at it with a dozen different kinds of rounds. It did stop some actual bullets. You should find the clip of Whistling Diesel putting explosive on it. Didn't blow a hole in it, unlike the F-250. Is that impressive or just expected since we know how the different metals act before the trucks existence. Technically the DeLorean can do the same since it's the same material. It's just the strength of stainless. Any manufacturer can make a car out of stainless and claim the same with the same results. So yeah the Cyber truck is still shit even though it can protect you from a 9mm. Although he didn't test the windows
There’s YouTube videos of people shooting at the doors on the full truck too. It was sent horrible at stopping smaller rounds, but there’s a risk of shattering the windows. That sort of defeats the purpose of having other parts being bulletproof. Hit the top half and you’re good.
Ah, Tesla. Never change.
"When we said full autonomous self driving, we clearly meant that a human has to be ready to assume control at all times. Why? What did you think we meant?"
45 and 9mm. Typical handguammo. But 5.7 and 357 would make it through. Also, any rifle bullet should make it through as well.
Also, windows are not even close to bulletproof.
I hate the car in literally every way but there's plenty of videos around showing the door panels can handle up to 9mm. Maybe not every time but from what I've seen it is a pretty competent bullet stopper. The glass on the other hand.....
Eh, it stops 9mm hollow points, which are designed not to penetrate. It won't stop solid projectile 9mm +P+. Which makes it like pretty pointless as an armored vehicle.
I mean it'll defend against a random assassination, but nobody is getting randomly assassinated. You can defeat it with easily civilian-obtainable rounds fired out of a standard 9mm handgun. You gotta know that the target is a cybertruck, but that is not a high bar of Intel to clear.
Or sending email bullet lists of what they did to justify not being fired... But even there, it depends on the font size. Large-caliber bullet lists would be unreasonable.
Seriously. The Aztek doesn't stand out at all among modern crossovers, it's practically *boring*.
But hey it had a literal beverage cooler for a middle console so that was neat. And a tent!
Yeah, my mom actually considered getting one at one point. She ended up with a PT Cruiser, though that might have been because she found one with a manual.
I don't actually remember what others she was looking at, I just remember those two because they were so infamous.
Anyways, that PT Cruiser is why I had always mentally categorized Chrysler as a manufacturer of cheap economy cars; the first time I heard someone refer to them as a luxury brand, I immediately looked it up because I didn't believe it. My impression of a nice car had been calibrated by a Saab 9000, incidentally.
Nah the Aztec was hideous for those of us who experienced it, it looks better in retrospect partly because it was ahead of it's time and modern vehicles have desensitized us to what actual automotive beauty is
>If it released today, people would just be indifferent.
Agreed, most of the modern Subaru line looks like it was spawned from the Aztek. The Aztek died so the modern crossover could live.
It's funny because every time I've seen one at a car show, people visibly notice this piece's poor fitment, wiggle it, and comment on how poorly it's attached.
> may separate from the truck at speed, posing a hazard to other motorists.
So not only is this a 3 ton death trap with zero crumple zones that can go from 0 to 300kmh in 5.3 nanoseconds but it can also send chunks of metal flying in random directions at any time. Cool
Are all these owners with wrapped cyber trucks going to have to take it back to get this rail re-wrapped after the recall fix? Because that would make me happy.
The owners are not having sex. You're correct in that a recent study that found the majority of Cyber Truck owners are impotent. Though, many are involuntarily celibate, and it's therefore unknown whether or not their phenotype is also impotent. Their brain's physiology never matured past the prepubescent phase. I'll try to find the study and link it.
> The good news for owners is that all of them should be under warranty, so nobody should be out of pocket for any repairs performed so far.
Nobody should be out of pocket for a recall even if it is out of warranty.
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Fortunately, cybertrucks (swastitrux) are only driven by posers with no concept of how a vehicle is supposed to be built, or they would have bought a real vehicle.
Humvees are still incredibly durable, if slow as shit
Windshields are typically only installed with adhesive.
This seems to be some combination of improper adhesive, or improper surface prep, and possibly an underlying poor design that catches the air in a way that results in excessive wind loading.
I'm really partial to the latter 2. Adhesive choice is actually fairly straightforward.
The CT seemed to somehow be both incredibly late to market and rushed into production, so I can easily see surface prep being a detail issue only caught later on (like now). The CT also looks like it never saw a wind tunnel, so excessive wind loading also seems plausible.
I do know that in doing panel replacement of larger panels, such as a quarter panel or a van side that you do youse panel bond to keep from warping. But that being said it’s usually still spot welded in some spot as well 🤷🏻♂️
The new Final Destination movie absolutely needs to add a scene where a Cybertruck body panel comes flying off and spears someone on the side of the road so this generation of teens can be afraid of Cybertrucks the same way we all are still afraid of logging trucks.
Pretty sure Ford recalled about 2 million Exploders last year over a similar trim piece flying off.
But 47k Cybertrucks will get 5x more petty blog posts like this one. This article reads like it was written by a bitchy teenage girl.
Ford's piece was 1/3 the size of the piece that is coming off the Tesla, and it was plastic, not metal. One of those will bounce off your car and make you go "what was that", the other will go through your windshield.
And yeah, a vehicle with a LOT of hype gets a lot more attention when things go wrong when compared to one of the most mainstream vehicles on the market - is this surprising to you?
Some 2024 sales figures for comparison:
Silverado EV: 7,428
Sierra EV: 1,788
Hummer: 13,993
F-150 Lightning: 33,510
Seems like it's tracking slightly ahead of the Lightning (given 15 months vs 12) and well ahead of GM's three models combined. Given that the thing starts at $75k or so I'd say that's not bad.
Yep, [1.9 million recalled following 14,337 warranty complaints and 568 NHTSA complaints](https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-recalls-defects/ford-explorers-recalled-due-to-exterior-trim-falling-off-a1149617694/) for a defect rate of 0.79%, versus a [minimum of 154 compaints](https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2025/RCLRPT-25V170-9407.PDF) (151 warranty, 1 noted NHTSA complaint, 2 field complaints, and unknown quantities of social media posts & service records) on 46,096 cybertrucks for a minimum defect rate of 0.33%.
To be fair, a Ford Explorer isn't a $100k car. I'm not saying that that kind of defect is okay on any vehicle, because it's not, but the expectation is that an expensive vehicle shouldn't have those sorts of problems.
That gen Explorer topped 55k on the high end in 2017 with the Platinum, inflation adjusted that comes out to just under 72k today, the base price of a Cybertruck. Gulf isn't as big as you'd think.
That's comparing the absolute top trim Explorer to the base trim of the CT, so I would still consider that quite a significant gap. The base trim of the 2017 Explorer was ~$42k adjusted for inflation. So you can compare a $42k Explorer to an [$82k Cybertruck](https://www.caranddriver.com/tesla/cybertruck), or you can compare a $72k Explorer to a $102k Cybertruck.
I'm still mad he extracted an apology out of Matt Farah who showed *incredible* humility and modesty over the whole thing — and I know Matt himself has no animosity, but he was *right*!
Take three sets of small flat metal pieces and glue the first pair together with industrial adhesive, next pair bolt it together, last pair weld it. Then put it in a load frame or hang from something and keep adding weights to see where they fail. Of course there’s a lot of variability like what size bolts, quality and type of weld and adhesives but good lord when I did this back in engineering school decades years ago I was blown away by industrial adhesives…
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Unfortunately because it's only dangerous to other motorists, no cyber truck owner will have this done.
Hell, for them steel parts flying off and impaling other drivers is a feature, not a bug.
Stay as far away from them as you can, those panels will fly off and they can kill someone. Unfortunately nothing will be done until someone dies or loses an appendage.
I work closely with Tesla's and they are VERY poor quality and they cut corners in anyway they can. The consumer is not their main concern, keeping the profits high is.
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