Israel-Hamas war: Fresh wave of Israeli strikes in Gaza

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EntertainmentIcy3090@reddit

Hamas has confirmed that several of its leaders were killed in Tuesday's strikes, including its de facto head of government, Essam a-Da'lees.

Meanwhile, Islamic Jihad - whose fighters participated in the 7 October 2023 attack which triggered the current conflict - said the prominent spokesman of its armed wing, known as Abu Hamza, was killed.

Seems like the strikes worked. Good job IDF.

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adasiukevich@reddit (OP)

Over 200 woman and children killed and you say good job? You are sick.

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EntertainmentIcy3090@reddit

After how many civilian casualties should the Allies have stopped fighting Nazi Germany?

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adasiukevich@reddit (OP)

You're applying the nazi comparison to the wrong side here.

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EntertainmentIcy3090@reddit

Answer the question.

After how many civilian casualties should the allies have stopped fighting Nazi Germany?

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adasiukevich@reddit (OP)

They shouldn't be targeting civilians in the first place, and if they had done they would have been no better than the Nazis.

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EntertainmentIcy3090@reddit

Even a just war kills innocent civilians.

Which is the point I am making with my question.

So stop deflecting.

After how many civilian casualties should the allies have stopped fighting Nazi Germany?

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Civilians get killed as a result of war, but intentionally targeting them makes you a Nazi. I have answered your question. You can't compare the two because the allies by and large weren't targeting civilians. You could definitely compare the IDF to the Nazis though.

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BehemothDeTerre@reddit

Civilians get killed as a result of war, but intentionally targeting them makes you a Nazi.

Exactly! Yet, here you are, saying that the side accepting that collateral damage is a part of war is the nazi side, whereas the side that deliberately targets civilians isn't.

Your stance is completely self-contradictory.

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adasiukevich@reddit (OP)

Because when the civilian to combatant ratio is that high, something is up.

whereas the side that deliberately targets civilians isn't.

If this isn't deliberately targeting civilians can you tell me what is?

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/05/02/middleeast/israeli-precision-guided-munition-maghazi-deaths-intl/index.html

https://abcnews.go.com/International/video/inside-moments-leading-death-5-year-gaza-110628021

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/04/09/middleeast/gaza-food-aid-convoy-deaths-eyewitness-intl-investigation-cmd/index.html

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BehemothDeTerre@reddit

Because when the civilian to combatant ratio is that high, something is up.

What civilian to combattant ratio? Are we supposed to trust Hamas' numbers?
That's like trusting the NSDAP that (almost) every dead German was a civilian.
Even if we do, is it out of line with other recent conflicts? Sudan? Tigray war? Both have tenfold the deaths of those claimed by Hamas in Gaza.
Every war has collateral, but you supremacists only focus on one, and you did it from the start. You think you're not transparent when you were already shouting "genocide" on October the 8th 2023?

can you tell me what it is?

Every attack by Hamas/PIJ. You're defending nazis.

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adasiukevich@reddit (OP)

Even if we do, is it out of line with other recent conflicts? Sudan? Tigray war? Both have tenfold the deaths of those claimed by Hamas in Gaza.

Wrong.

https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/more-women-and-children-killed-gaza-israeli-military-any-other-recent-conflict

You think you're not transparent when you were already shouting "genocide" on October the 8th 2023?

What about Israel officials that are shouting genocide?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-gaza-netzarim-corridor-hamas-war-threat-palestinians-collective-punishment/

https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-south-africa-genocide-hate-speech-97a9e4a84a3a6bebeddfb80f8a030724

Every attack by Hamas/PIJ.

How convenient. Why did the IDF lie/change their story in all instances then?

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BehemothDeTerre@reddit

I shouldn't have expected good faith from a hardcore Hamasnik.

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adasiukevich@reddit (OP)

"Good faith" I've provided links to back up everything I've said unlike you.

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BehemothDeTerre@reddit

You support the murder, maiming, rape and kidnapping of civilians. I'm disgusted to even talk to you.

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adasiukevich@reddit (OP)

No I don't. I'm able to condemn Hamas when they do it. Are you able to condemn Israel when they do it?

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BehemothDeTerre@reddit

You literally just called Hamas attacks "IDF lies".

And yes, I will condemn Israel when they become jihadis. I don't think it's likely to happen, but of course I will if they do.

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adasiukevich@reddit (OP)

You literally just called Hamas attacks "IDF lies".

No I didn't. I provided you with evidence of IDF attacks and you just baselessly claimed they were Hamas.

And yes, I will condemn Israel if they become jihadis.

So they can murder, rape, and kidnap civilians so long as they are not jihadis?

I'll condemn those responsible, not an entire country. Unlike you, I'm not racist.

So you agree that the entirety of Gaza shouldn't be punished for Hamas' actions?

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BehemothDeTerre@reddit

You, now:

No I didn't. I provided you with evidence of IDF attacks and you just baselessly claimed they were Hamas.

You, two comments up, in the context of Hamas/PIJ attacks as example of terrorism:

How convenient. Why did the IDF lie/change their story in all instances then?

Get your story straight.

So you agree that the entirety of Gaza shouldn't be punished for Hamas' actions?

You guys do that all the time: disingenuous framing, then ask loaded questions based on that framing.
That's like pretending Ukraine defending itself is "punishing the entirety of Russia".

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adasiukevich@reddit (OP)

You, two comments up, in the context of Hamas/PIJ attacks as example of terrorism:

Again, I initially provided you with links proving they were attacks by the IDF, and you just baselessly claimed they were actually by Hamas. All 3 of the articles exposed the IDF as having either lied or changed their story.

That's like pretending Ukraine defending itself is "punishing the entirety of Russia".

Except Israel are the ones that have invaded in this scenario.

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BehemothDeTerre@reddit

So, you're just going to try to erase something that happened not even 2 years ago?
Bold strategy, Cotton.

We saw the videos Hamas themselves published, you're not going to get any traction pretending October the 7th was a "false flag".
/r/conspiracy is that way.

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adasiukevich@reddit (OP)

I have never once said October 7th never happened. You seem to be hell bent on denying Israel's war crimes though.

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BehemothDeTerre@reddit

You said it was "attacks by the IDF" and that they kept changing their story about it.

Get your own story straight, then come back.

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adasiukevich@reddit (OP)

I was referring to the links I sent you, not October 7th.

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BehemothDeTerre@reddit

What?

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EntertainmentIcy3090@reddit

Civilians get killed as a result of war, but intentionally targeting them makes you a Nazi.

It makes you a warcriminal. But I agree with the sentiment.

Which brings us back to the following:

Hamas has confirmed that several of its leaders were killed in Tuesday's strikes, including its de facto head of government, Essam a-Da'lees.

Meanwhile, Islamic Jihad - whose fighters participated in the 7 October 2023 attack which triggered the current conflict - said the prominent spokesman of its armed wing, known as Abu Hamza, was killed.

I'd say it's not a reach to assume that these guys were the targets.

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adasiukevich@reddit (OP)

I'd say it's not a reach to assume that these guys were the targets.

I'd say it is, given how much higher the civilian casualty rate is.

But even then, let's give them the benefit of the doubt on this one. Where were the Hamas leaders in these instances?

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/05/02/middleeast/israeli-precision-guided-munition-maghazi-deaths-intl/index.html

https://abcnews.go.com/International/video/inside-moments-leading-death-5-year-gaza-110628021

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EntertainmentIcy3090@reddit

I'd say it is, given how much higher the civilian casualty rate is.

Do we actually have a good figure yet?

How many of the other dead are grunts?

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adasiukevich@reddit (OP)

Do we actually have a good figure yet?

According to the article, almost half of the casualties were children.

Now answer my question, where were the Hamas leaders in these instances?

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

crickets

Nazis will defend Nazisim/Zionism, what did you expect?

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cobalt358@reddit

Israel is the genocidal terrorist state here, not a great comparison.

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EntertainmentIcy3090@reddit

It really isn't. Feel free to actually answer the question though

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cobalt358@reddit

It's a nonsensical question being asked in bad faith.

At best Israel is engaging in collective punishment, at worst outright genocide.

You're not fooling anyone hasbara.

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Ropetrick6@reddit

It really is. Feel free to engage in good faith.

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BehemothDeTerre@reddit

He very much isn't. No matter how much Hamas_titties posters try to pretend otherwise, Hamas is the genocidal entity.
And they don't even try to hide it, only their online supporters do.

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adasiukevich@reddit (OP)

https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/more-women-and-children-killed-gaza-israeli-military-any-other-recent-conflict

Remind me who are the genocidal entity? Hamas only exist because the displacement of 750000 Palestinians. Remember that.

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BehemothDeTerre@reddit

Remind me who are the genocidal entity?

Hamas. You're a literal terrorist supporter. Disgusting.

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adasiukevich@reddit (OP)

Remind me how Hamas came into existance? It's okay I'll tell you. It starts with the displacement of 750000 Palestinians from their land and continues with them constantly being slaughtered throughout the decades.

You're a literal terrorist supporter. Disgusting.

You have the nerve to say as you defend a country that are slaughtering children on a daily basis. You are vile.

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BehemothDeTerre@reddit

You're completely devoid of humanity, revelling in the blood of children. Go away.

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IdiAmini@reddit

You are not German, a German citizen would never come up with that comparison. Just goes to show with what mindset you came into this sub. Which is to spread lies and dishonesty

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EntertainmentIcy3090@reddit

Was laberst du? Bin deutscher als ne Kartoffel

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cesaroncalves@reddit

Jeder kann einen Übersetzer benutzen.

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EntertainmentIcy3090@reddit

Klar aber finde das trotzdem lächerlich, einfach so zu behaupten, dass ich nicht deutsch sei

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warnie685@reddit

Well there was another "German" in here yesterday who was posting with a translator.. and was actually stupid enough to just copy and paste the "you reached the limit on free translation"

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EntertainmentIcy3090@reddit

lmao that does sound pretty funny. Btw if you want to find out if someone is actually a German just ask them about their stance on the nutella debate

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warnie685@reddit

Haha, ah I didn't know about that one.. that's a good tip :D

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Private_HughMan@reddit

Israel are using literal Nazi tactics.

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EntertainmentIcy3090@reddit

Sure I'll bite.

What tactics that the Nazis used and that are not just standard tactics for militaries during wartime do the Israelis also use?

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

Starvation, rape, collective punishment, crimes against humanity, illegal military weapons such as white phosphorus, targeting of aid personal, journalists, infrastructure and civilians buildings

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EntertainmentIcy3090@reddit

I gave you a very specific question.

What tactics that the Nazis used and that are not just standard tactics for militaries during wartime do the Israelis also use?

Starvation

Israel allows food shipments through their borders to Gaza. The allies in WW2 did not allow food shipments to Germany. This claim fails.

rape

Rape is a crime that soldiers commit in every army. Israel prosecuted those rapists so again your claim fails.

collective punishment, crimes against humanity

Be more specific.

targeting of aid personal, journalists, infrastructure and civilians buildings

The burden of proof is on you to demonstrate that they were deliberately targeted and not incidental casualties

illegal military weapons such as white phosphorus

White phosphorus is not illegal. Only some applications of it are.

White phosphorus is used for military purposes in grenades and artillery shells to produce illumination, to generate a smokescreen and as an incendiary. Its major industrial uses are in the production of phosphoric acid, phosphates and other compounds. Phosphates are used to manufacture a range of products including fertilizers and detergents. Phosphorus has been used as a rodenticide and in fireworks.

The use of white phosphorus may violate Protocol III (on the use of incendiary weapons) of the Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons (CCCW) in one specific instance: if it is used, on purpose, as an incendiary weapon directly against humans in a civilian setting. Other uses of white phosphorus, such as illuminating a battlefield, are not prohibited. To establish an illegal use under the CCCW, an investigation into the intent behind the use of white phosphorus would be needed, which exceeds the mandate of WHO.

https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/white-phosphorus#:\~:text=White%20phosphorus%20is%20used%20for,acid%2C%20phosphates%20and%20other%20compounds

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

starvation

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9q4w99je78o.amp

https://www.refugeesinternational.org/reports-briefs/siege-and-starvation-how-israel-obstructs-aid-to-gaza/

Rape

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/8/9/everything-is-legitimate-israeli-leaders-defend-soldiers-accused-of-rape

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20240731-israel-releases-soldier-after-rape-allegations-at-sde-teiman-detention-centre/

collective punishment

https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/01/1145537

https://www.reuters.com/world/un-experts-say-israels-strikes-gaza-amount-collective-punishment-2023-10-12/

white phosphorus

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/10/lebanon-evidence-of-israels-unlawful-use-of-white-phosphorus-in-southern-lebanon-as-cross-border-hostilities-escalate/

https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/10/12/israel-white-phosphorus-used-gaza-lebanon

targeting aid workers

https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/05/14/gaza-israelis-attacking-known-aid-worker-locations

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/04/04/middleeast/jose-andres-wck-israel-strike-criticism-intl#amp_ct=1742486272942&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=17424862289349&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com

Not surprising you would defend israels war crimes, feels alot like home doesn't it?

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Khers@reddit

Lol, Germans are on their third genocide at this point, there’s a rot in that culture.

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

Both Germany and the ethnostate are rotten to the core, literally emperialist and colonialist death cults built on exploitation, murder and theft.

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860v2@reddit

How many women and children did Hamas kill on October 7th?

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adasiukevich@reddit (OP)

Around 40 children were killed on 10/7. Disgusting of course but a fraction of the amount that were killed from this bombing alone.

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860v2@reddit

What about women?

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No-Atmosphere-1566@reddit

Really roughly, I'm going to guess like 400 on October 7th but it's hard to know. A further couple dozen more have probably been killed as part of the IDF. More Israelis were killed on 10/7 than in the entire rest of the war anyway tho.

~15,000 - 20,000 roughly Palestinian women have been killed throughout the war.

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860v2@reddit

So Hamas killed, raped, mutilated, etc. close to 500 Israeli women and children.

The numbers you’re using come from the Gaza Health Ministry, which is run by Hamas. They’re worth less than nothing.

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cesaroncalves@reddit

Actually, you don't know that, you're lying. Again.

How do you distinguish the ones the IDF killed from the ones Hamas did?

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860v2@reddit

False, we know everyone who was killed on October 7th.

Many ways: manner of death, location, witness testimony, videos, etc.

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No-Atmosphere-1566@reddit

No, I'm just guessing based on the total number of people killed on 10/7.

How many women do you think Israel has killed if you dont think my number is accurate? Guess if you have to. You can compare these pictures of Gaza to WW2 pictures to help make your decision.

Gaza: https://www.aljazeera.com/gallery/2025/1/20/aerial-photos-show-scale-of-israeli-destruction-in-gaza

WW2: https://www.reddit.com/r/Historycord/s/JvnaDJFFkh

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860v2@reddit

The Palestinian Health Ministry figures do not differentiate between civilians and Hamas combatants, who do not wear formal uniform or carry separate identification.

Israel periodically estimates the number of Hamas fighters killed. Last year it put that figure at 17,000-18,000. Recent assessments put the number of Palestinian militant dead at 20,000. It says about one civilian was killed for every fighter, a ratio it blames on Hamas for using civilian facilities.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/how-many-palestinians-has-israels-gaza-offensive-killed-2025-01-15/

Death toll at the time article was written: ~45,000

Hamas militants: ~20,000

That leaves ~25,000 for everyone else (men, women, children). You’re telling me 60%-80% of civilians killed have been women? The math ain’t mathin’, buddy.

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adasiukevich@reddit (OP)

I can't find an official number, but even if it were a thousand, it pales in comparison to the amount Israel have killed.

https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/more-women-and-children-killed-gaza-israeli-military-any-other-recent-conflict

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djabor@reddit

intent and succeeding are different things.

hamas had the intent and did not succeed

israel intends not to hit civilians and did not succeed

one is objectively worse than the other

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adasiukevich@reddit (OP)

israel intends not to hit civilians

Then what happened in these instances?

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/05/02/middleeast/israeli-precision-guided-munition-maghazi-deaths-intl/index.html

https://abcnews.go.com/International/video/inside-moments-leading-death-5-year-gaza-110628021

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/04/09/middleeast/gaza-food-aid-convoy-deaths-eyewitness-intl-investigation-cmd/index.html

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djabor@reddit

does not exclude hamas being present and does not signify any intent in hitting civilians
was proven to be PIJ crossfire
hamas gunmen are seen firing in the crowd

but yeah, it’s always easy to blame israel

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adasiukevich@reddit (OP)

does not exclude hamas being present and does not signify any intent in hitting civilians

It does. You can see the video of the immediate aftermath. There the only people dead are children.

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djabor@reddit

well that proves it then, one incident with some half-assed assumptions changes everything. (/s because you clearly need to be told what to think)

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adasiukevich@reddit (OP)

It's not one incident, I can keep going (even beyond Gaza).

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cw07wgrwzywo

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgrn0nwn0eqo

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860v2@reddit

Guess.

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adasiukevich@reddit (OP)

A lot less than have been killed by Israel (although that's not a guess, just a fact).

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860v2@reddit

That’s not a guess.

Refusing to answer makes you look worse than answering and being wrong.

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adasiukevich@reddit (OP)

I'm not refusing to answer. I genuinely don't know.

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cesaroncalves@reddit

Do you know?

How do you differentiate between the ones that Hamas killed and the ones that the IDF killed?

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860v2@reddit

I have a good idea. I’m asking you, though.

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cesaroncalves@reddit

Actually it wasn't me, and I doubt anyone really knows the number.

Giving you're pressing on a unverifiable number, how do you feel about the murder of thousands of woman and children by the IDF? We can confirm who killed those, just not the total number as hundreds are still being found under the rubble.

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860v2@reddit

It’s not unverifiable.

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cesaroncalves@reddit

Doubt it, and you still don't do it.

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860v2@reddit

Id just like to point out that you never answered my question. Not a good look.

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cesaroncalves@reddit

I don't know how is it not a good look when you didn't ask me anything, and the great look you're getting by pretending you yourself didn't try to dodge a question with that.

More of those "Rules for the but not for me" thing that is now typical of Israelis?

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cookingboy@reddit

I followed this thread but I don’t know who the hell do you think you are but you don’t get to demand answers from others here in a condescending way.

If you want to make a point, make a point. You don’t have any right to be condescending toward others.

Unless your point is that you are an asshole who believes Jewish lives are worth exponentially more than other lives, that is.

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860v2@reddit

I can ask whatever I want. You can choose to answer or, in your case, not.

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juiceboxheero@reddit

War crimes do not permit amplified war crimes in response. This concept is lost on the 'most moral' army in the world

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860v2@reddit

Notice how you didn’t answer the question. Not a good look.

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juiceboxheero@reddit

I notice your genocide complicity. Not a good look.

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860v2@reddit

You notice a lot of things that don’t exist. Sounds like a personal problem.

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juiceboxheero@reddit

Dang, I can't believe that Human Rights Watch, Amnesty international, and Doctors without borders produced detailed reports on something that doesn't exist.

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ShikaStyleR@reddit

There's only one body that can determine this, and it is the ICJ. Until that happens, it is not a genocide

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juiceboxheero@reddit

RemindMe! 1 year

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860v2@reddit

Nice goalposts.

You said you noticed my “genocide complicity”, now you’re yapping about reports on genocide.

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brassmonkey666@reddit

The root of the problem is a violent and unending occupation. You can kill leaders of movements, but if you continue to deny fundamental rights to people you won’t stop resistance. The amoral solution is to eliminate the entire population, which is known as genocide. As a German you must recognize this.

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EntertainmentIcy3090@reddit

The amoral solution is to eliminate the entire population, which is known as genocide.

Correct.

The moral solution would be occupation and deradicalisation.

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brassmonkey666@reddit

Are you saying some country should invade, occupy, and de-radicalize Israel?

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EntertainmentIcy3090@reddit

A successfull invasion of Israel by Arab forces would mean immediate genocide of the entire Israeli population. Picture the barbarity of Oct. 7th but across the entirety of the nation instead of a few square km.

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brassmonkey666@reddit

On what basis do you make those claims? I was thinking Germany should do it so they can work on the Palestinian Question. They can atone for their mistakes with their Jewish Question. The religious radicals killing civilians are more so prevalent and destructive within Israeli society and have the advantage of high tech weapons and the backing of Western governments.

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EntertainmentIcy3090@reddit

On what basis do you make those claims?

Historical precedent. Most recently Oct. 7th.

The religious radicals killing civilians are more so prevalent and destructive within Israeli society

This is a lie. Israel is one of the most if not the most secular countries in the middle east.

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brassmonkey666@reddit

They did not occupy on Oct 7. Israel has attacked and invaded its neighbors repeatedly and has supported or taken part in several massacres of civilians during those occupations.

Israel’s foundational basis is that it is a ethnostate based on a biblical right to a land that already had people living in it. People living there being secular does not take away from the state having a religious basis. The settlers illegally stealing land in the occupied West Bank as definitely religious radicals who believe the land is their God given right.

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cesaroncalves@reddit

400 people were killed, and the cease fire broken, and you say Good job IDF.

Israeli defenders are something special, you don't even hide your intentions are as good as your word.

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860v2@reddit

How many of those 400 were Hamas, PIJ, etc. members?

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cesaroncalves@reddit

How many were innocent civilians?

How many were under a ceasefire? All of them right...

Israel has a sick, sick society, at least Germans tried to hide their horrors from the world, you're proud of it. Defending it right here and now.

Concept of evil

3.6.1 Psychopaths

Psychopathy is a syndrome that consists in lacking certain emotional, interpersonal, and behavioural traits and having others (Hare 1999). Some of the defining characteristics of psychopathy include shallow emotions, egocentricity, deceitfulness, impulsivity, a lack of empathy, and a lack of guilt and remorse. Particularly relevant for assessments of moral responsibility is the psychopath’s inability to care for others and for the rules of morality.

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860v2@reddit

Notice how you didn’t answer the question.

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

No we did notice how you support mass killing of civilians including children, we see you and the rest of israel

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djabor@reddit

are you claiming you don’t? i believe people were cheerinng 10/7 and are still actively defending it.

the only difference is capacity - if hamas had the capacity to kill 50k civilians on 10/7 they would have.

if israel had the capacity to kill 0, they would have.

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

Had the capacity

It's never was about ability but the humanity or lack there off it, all the hostages taken were treated like humans unlike how Palestinian are treated outside and inside prisons by Israeli

The Israeli hostages were kissing hamas as they were let out, they were speaking positively and supporting the Palestinian

Palestinian civilians are picked off on the streets by Israeli bullets or kidnapped and thrown into prison for decades without cause, either to be raped, killed, harvested or all 3 at the same time

A sick and disgusting death cult.

The world isn't blind, we see you.

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djabor@reddit

humans:

bibas kids murdered, no medical attention and KIDNAPPED IN THE FIRST PLACE

other hostages:

sexually assaulted

starved

no red cross access

not allowed to talk

random beatings

permanent chaining

no showers

no food

no medicine

no medical attention

no legal access

your “humane” is a lie and exposes the bullshit you try to peddle.

you’re a regular terrorist or a useful idiot.

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

All false and typical hasbara zionists lies, while on the other hand it was caught on tap how the IOF rape palestine civilians in prison, instead of going after the rapists you make them celebrities and applaud them for being rapists.

Rapists death cult with systemic sexual abuses and genocide as a past time

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/clyr154314vo

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ForgetfullRelms@reddit

So- when did the Red Cross have access to the hostages Hamas was holding?

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

Does the red cross have access to the thousands of hostages israel is holding?

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ForgetfullRelms@reddit

You made the claim that all of Djabor’s claims are lies.

Djabor claimed that Hamas prevented the Red Cross form accessing the Hostages.

But to answer your question, depends on if you are following the UN definition of hostage. If you are? No because there’s no hostages to check, if you aren’t? Then what definition are you using?

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

I have no reason to prove the claims he made himself, thats his job.

The definition is "Any person who seizes or detains and threatens to kill, to injure or to continue to detain another person" so israel is snatching people from another country and holding them in their own prisons without cause, without trails for years and decades. The hostages they kidnapped range from children to the elderly, the same hostages that are regularly killed and raped by isrealies.

Now you can ask Djabor to back up his claims or you can do the work yourself, I'll wait here 👍

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ForgetfullRelms@reddit

Did they ever make a statement of such conditions for their well-being, release, Ext.

So- how would one go about and prove that Hamas didn’t let their hostages see the Red Cross?

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

He made claims, he can back it up, other wise they remain false

You can do his job for him since you are so invested, go ahead I'll allow it.

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ForgetfullRelms@reddit

https://www.redcross.org.uk/stories/disasters-and-emergencies/world/what-is-the-red-cross-doing-to-help-hostages-in-gaza

Here we go. The Red Cross (this article specifically refers to the ICRC) was not granted access to the hostages held by Hamas per the Red Cross’s own admission. If this is not acceptable evidence I would gladly present more.

Spreading misinformation only serves to harm the Palestinians

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

"visits by the Red Cross to all Palestinian prisoners were halted along with the transfer of information about the Palestinian detainees"

https://reliefweb.int/report/israel/repeal-ban-red-cross-visits-palestinian-prisoners-enhe

Ask Israel first which holds thousands of Palestinians illegally before Oct7, the entire reason hamas took people is to exchange them for the hostages Israel has been taking for years

Try again hasbara, now go back and provide claims for the other guys comments, you were so heated up about it why dodge it now? Pathetic.

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ForgetfullRelms@reddit

That proves Israeli wrong doing, not disprove Hamas wrong doing. Do you believe that if one party dose wrong that means the other party is’t? What are you trying to prove with your link specifically? That Hamas was allowing the Red Cross to access the hostages like you claimed? (You claimed that the refusal to allow Red Cross to visit the hostages held by Hamas was false, are you maintaining that claim?)

Because a few I recognize as actual lies but then you discredit the Palestinians with your misinformation. Misinformation that is known to be false by people who don’t see this conflict for what it is. You are doing more to discredit any hope to force Israel’s hand to stop what they are doing.

So your trying to claim that I am Hasbara- got evidence or are you never required to provide evidence.

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

Yup I believe hamas has every right to do what it wants to acquire freedom and fight against the occupation

Their comment was false without backing it up with a source, I acknowledged it with my own counter argument, keep up

force israels hand

Is that a joke? The status quo of israel is to occupy, kill, rape and steal from the natives

Again, don't dodge the rest of the comments of your friend that you quoted 3 times so far, I am still waiting for you to back up the rest of his claims

Hasbara yes, you gish gallop arguments to justify aparthied genocidal emperialist ethnostate

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ForgetfullRelms@reddit

‘’Do what it’s wants’’

Let me get this right; You argued that there’s no evidence that Hamas kept the Red Cross from seeing the hostages and that to make such a claim is false- and when proven- you simply say that even if Hamas did prevent it- it dose not matter? dose lying about their desires also included in their ‘’do what it’s wants’’?

Let me guess, you want all of the Arab Israelis to go to Poland or something, one way ticket to Aultrwizts?

Still waiting for your evidence.

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

Armed resistance is the right of the occupied, not the occupier

For someone who pretends to care about international law you sure ignore the gross conduct of the ethnostate and gang up on the oppressed don't you?

His claimed for the red cross was ignored until YOU provided a source then I negated it with my own source, again, keep up.

My evidence I already posted earlier, keep up.

If they picked up their bags and moved into a Palestinian home after kicking them out then I don't care where they go after palestine is free, they can figure it out for themselves.

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ForgetfullRelms@reddit

Your ‘’negation’’ is proof of Israeli wrong doing, not Hamas wrong doing. How dose that negate it?

If you make a claim of Israeli action and I provide a similar Hamas action, dose that negate your claim? Or do you think that you can do whatever you want also?

Also, that right is a right within international law. https://www.un.org/unispal/document/auto-insert-184801/

Tho based on your earlier comment you think that Hamas have the right to pick and choose and to be hypocritical. If you don’t care about international law then don’t look for it for justification.

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

Hamas as the resistance has the right to fight their occupiers as they see fit, israel as the occupier don't

It's rather simple and straightforward

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ForgetfullRelms@reddit

So the United Nations opinion on such matters dose not matter?

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

I know where you are going with this, try a different tactic

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ForgetfullRelms@reddit

What? Me pointing out how you pick and chose when UN opinions matters or not?

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

Debating UN charters and decrees only applies when both parties adhere to it, hamas tried, israel never did, if they did the occupation of the west bank would have ended decades ago

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ForgetfullRelms@reddit

When did Hamas tried to follow the UN charters and Decrees? Got any evidence to back up your claim that they tried to follow it for a time?

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

2012 ceasefire, hamas followed it Israel broke it

2018 protest, hamas did it peacefully israel killed the protestors

2021 ceasefire, hamas honored it Israel broke it

2025 ceasefire, hamas honored it Israel broke it

1966 UN Resolution 242 Palestinians honored it Israel broke it

1973 UN Resolution 338 Palestinians honored it Israel broke it

2009 UN Resolution 1860 hamas honored it Israel broke it

2016 UN Resolution 2334 hamas honored it Israel broke it

Want more?

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ForgetfullRelms@reddit

Hamas was founded in the 1980’s. Shall I do what you do and call your entire comment lies and then say that it dose’t matter if you have proof because Israel have a right to prevent a genocide of its people by any means they want?

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

1987 to be exact, but why bring it up? How is the date have to do with israel breaking most if not all UN resolutions I can find?

Also how does breaking UN Resolutions allows you to enact genocide on other people? Are you okay?

Israel is already genociding Palestinians

The Palestinians have every right to fight against the genociders

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ForgetfullRelms@reddit

Do they have every right to commit a ethic cleansing to?

I mean- I guess if Hamas wants one- all they have to do is to say that it’s for freedom, based on your own statements.

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

You can't ethnically cleanse what's not ethnically from the land 😉

Next point

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ForgetfullRelms@reddit

So you don’t think events like the Holocaust in regards to the Jews and Gypsies was a genocide/ethnic cleansing because those groups were not native to Europe?

Unless you actually provide some minimum requirements to be consider native to a area- otherwise why can’t I claim that humans outside of Africa are not native to the land they are on or something else insane?

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

Oh thats different all together, that was ethnically cleansing because those belong to the land (Europe)

On the other hand, "israelies" don't belong to the land, they are colonisers and invaders

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ForgetfullRelms@reddit

When did the Jews that fled form the Levant became native to Europe.

When will the 700K Palestinians who was driven out in 1948 are no longer native to that area?

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

You being somewhere else for 4000 years is no basis to prove that you are magically (or literally dnd wise) mean you belong somewhere else

Why don't you go claim africa while you are at it, we all came from there at one point too didn't we?

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ForgetfullRelms@reddit

This assumes that all of the European Jews fled form a singular event. did they flee from a singular event and never tried to re-enter the Levant on and off?

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

Again a ridiculous comment that has no basis in reality, try again.

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ForgetfullRelms@reddit

So- when would the decedents of those 700K expelled/your preferred term in 1948no longer be native to what is today Israel?

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

the predominant component of the DNA of modern Palestinians matches that of Bronze Age Palestinian Canaanites who lived around 2500–1700 BCE while about 60% of modern israeli DNA found to come from the group with more Middle Eastern ancestry and 40% found to come from the group with more Eastern European ancestry

Furthermore culturally Palestinian fit the region while israelies dont, they stand out like a sore thumb

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ForgetfullRelms@reddit

So what is the cut off percentile? If DNA is the cutoff why do you keep mentioning timeframe and years earlier?

So if Israeli style culture dominates Arabia, the same could be argued? Or if such displaced people mutates their culture significantly?

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

Both are important

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ForgetfullRelms@reddit

Ok- what is the cutoff point for DNA. At what point would it become a inconsequential point?

What specifically and significance is different about the culture? I kinda see things outside of free press, free religion, free speech, and how you treat minorities, foreigners, and women as inconsequential.

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

Agreed, those are talking points used to pink/white/etc wash the ethnostate as being what it's not

ideas, customs, food and social behaviour of the israelies didn't match the region (youll mention next the mizrahi) which amplifies my point, iaraelies are a mix of Jewish people from Poland, Russia, America, Iraq, UK, Ukraine etc expect from Palestine

How can millions of people be from a country if the only requirement is that your mother is Jewish? How does religious faith give you legal/logical rights to land?

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ForgetfullRelms@reddit

Honestly I agree that it’s illogical at least outside of cases where those demographics are being persecuted. Tho I view citizenship, and by extension, ‘’in practice nativism’’ for lack of better term, by birthright. Even with your ethnostate example via DNA, the majority of that DNA is MENA. That is why I am speaking asking for a cutoff otherwise this sounds like a ideal you only hold in the context of Israel.

Sure that mom is from Poland and dad form Iran- but that kid is born in Israel- what is that kid to you? To me that kid is firstly Israeli no different if they were born in America from the same context.

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

I don't have the data for the cutoff and see no need to look it up, the facts are israelies in the building blocks to their core aren't native to the land while the Palestinians are

He isn't Israeli, because Israel is not a thing, its an ethnostate aparthied supremacy entity built on land theft and murder, ergo any "legal, civilians or social" arrangement that happened between people who are occupiers of the land is null and void

After palestine is free I am sure an arrangement can be made for those born on stolen land.

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ForgetfullRelms@reddit

So Israel is both not and is a thing?

I meet a fair few who think that arrangement should be measured in millimeters or simply to ‘’go away- I don’t care where’’.

The fact no arrangement is in mind now makes the risk of them winning the argument to high for me to support this end goal.

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

Israel is a thing that isn't a thing, hope that helps

Arrangements can be made in the future after palestine is free.

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ForgetfullRelms@reddit

So it’s only a thing when convent, that is what that sounds like to me.

If I was the father of a Israeli- why should I respond to that with anything other than full support of Israeli actions?

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

Ofcourse you would support the action of your goverment, as an Israeli you benefit from the continued existence of the stolen land being yours

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ForgetfullRelms@reddit

Yes- like the continued life of my hypothetical child in such a hypothetical.

You effectively are saying ‘’those born in Israel may or may not be killed’’ with such ambiguous language or lack of care for future planning.

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

I hold little to no value on the opinions of colonisers and even less on their future

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ForgetfullRelms@reddit

So people can be born as colonizers?

There’s a term for notions like that.

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

I get why you support colonisation as an American, without it you wouldn't exist as you live on stolen land so you support other people stealing land aswell

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ForgetfullRelms@reddit

With exception to places like the Falklands- every square mile of inhabited land is stolen. When are you going to provide the criteria for such a theft to reach its statue of limitations.

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

You can discuss other people's views with their colonisation with them

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ForgetfullRelms@reddit

I view guilt and fault as a individual thing, as something we can choose to be.

Not as something inhabitable. To me might as well have someone hold you responsible for the fall of Constantinople.

Also I have, more than once the person suggested that over 300 million of my countrymen should be ethnically cleansed without a care of where they ended up.

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

You can discuss that with them as much as you want

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ForgetfullRelms@reddit

And you can discuss proposals that would make you no better than the colonizers with others if you want.

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

I do think I am better than colonisers such as you, I guess our discussion is over

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ForgetfullRelms@reddit

I don’t know you seem reluctant to have a discussion on what to do with the millions of Israelis once victory is achieved- sounds quite pro genocide to me

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

It's not important now, the important discussion is the genocide of Palestinians

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ForgetfullRelms@reddit

Even if a official stance might make it easier for pro-Israel side to be more accepting of your side?

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

If you are a pro israel I lose all respect for you as a human

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ForgetfullRelms@reddit

I am anti genocide. Anti Israeli genocide, anti Palestinian genocide, without such a answer a October-6th style status quo would be the best realistic solution.

Because simply put your basically saying that the day after Victory, a genocide might start. Even a simple statement that you wouldn’t support a ethnic cleansing would be so much better.

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

You can't ethnically cleanse what doesn't ethnically belong to the land we went over this, the israelies are squatters and occupiers, they are the prison guards of concentration camps.

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ForgetfullRelms@reddit

All that tells me that if you can somehow make that argument about a demographic, you can ethically cleanse them.

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

False

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ForgetfullRelms@reddit

How so?

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

People can shed their coloniser skin, like those israelies either refusing to participate in the IOF or those renouncing their nationality (extra telling when they are dual nationality holder)

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ForgetfullRelms@reddit

You yourself stated that Israel practices mandatory conscription.

I guess that means that you can’t be anything other than a colonizer until your- what? 18?

Let me guess, you think colonizers are valid military targets.

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

Colonisers are the enemies of the colonised, this is basic stuff man

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ForgetfullRelms@reddit

If you think all 9 million Israelis are valid military targets, why didn’t you just stated it.

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

They are unless underage or not participated in the military

The ones who aren't underage and didn't participate in the military but are aggressive to the Palestinians such as the settlers in the west bank who are except from the IOF for religious reasoning but at the same time aren harassing Palestinians, killing them and stealing their lands under support of the Israeli government

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ForgetfullRelms@reddit

So those who are veterans are valid military targets?

Would you accept it if I hold the same standard to Palestinians?

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

Sure go ahead

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ForgetfullRelms@reddit

Like when Israel target those on Hamas payroll?

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

Which they do along side every innocent person not on a hypothetical payroll or not, I wouldn't trust israelies when they open their mouth, everyone from a cat in the street to the head of the UN is khamas

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ForgetfullRelms@reddit

Your rebuttal dose not claim that Hamas let the Red Cross see the hostages, the claims wasn’t that Hamas was ignoring the Red Cross.

Armed resistance is the right of the Occupied within international law, at least based on the UN declarations- if your not following the UN declaration what set of ethics are you basing this off of and why are you trying to use the UN to justify yourself? https://www.un.org/unispal/document/auto-insert-184801/

Then again even if I prove THAT- dose’t manner dose it? You think Hamas can do whatever they WANTS; key word want, not need.

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

Want and need are both valid here because they both lead to the same outcome, freedom

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ForgetfullRelms@reddit

Need can be debated if the action is necessary, want can be used to just hand wave away unneeded actions.

Dose that freedom include free speech, press, Ext?

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

Meaningless, both want and need are the same

Also a Meaningless comment, let's free palestine first from the genocidal foreign invaders then we can discuss all other social needs.

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ForgetfullRelms@reddit

Like what the Taliban did in Afghanistan- how is that going for the women of Afghanistan BTW?

I’m sure a lot of them prefer the oppressive American empire

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

Why mention Afghanistan when you could have went with Iraq and how you killed a million Iraqis?

Also did you run out of arguments that you have to bring in Afghanistan?

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ForgetfullRelms@reddit

Pointing out a failure of such mentality.

Which Iraq war spesificly? I’m guessing the one where Israel and MI6 lied to the CIA?

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

Again this doesn't have anything to do with the discussion either stick to the topic or continue talking to yourself

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ForgetfullRelms@reddit

Ok fine;

I see the distinction between want and need to be critical.

Let me put it this way- do you agree that all nations and peoples have a Need and Want to prevent their own genocide should another party try to commit it against them.

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

Okay you'll bring up the notion next that israel was formed out of the need or want for its survival

But that in of itself is false as they are an invading entity

Okay next point.

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ForgetfullRelms@reddit

No- Israel was created in one part a result of centuries of mistreatment of Levant, MENA, and European Jews and in 3 parts a British sceem to keep people at eachother’s throats.

I actually have a point here- unless you DON’T think all peoples and nations have such a want and need?

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

Meaningless when it's created (a choice among many locations) by colonising Palestine, their own words btw

A land not their, people not like them, just straight up theft and murder

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ForgetfullRelms@reddit

Are you making the argument that if someone invaded Israel and kill all of the Israelis- that it wouldn’t be a genocide?

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

I'll answer your question with a question, is what's done to Palestinian genocide or not? Is israel committing genocide?

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ForgetfullRelms@reddit

Previously; Yes. On and off.

In regards to the Hamas war; not until the leader of Israel agreed to Trump’s Gaza plan, before then I would hold my judgment until there’s a actual trile as opposed to just a accusation.

How dose that answer my question?

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

Okay you don't understand the difference between ethnical cleansing and genocide, look it up and learn on the subject

I'll answer your hypothetical question with ill withhold my answer until it happens and see what the judgment is.

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ForgetfullRelms@reddit

What definition are you using, the UN one?

I ask because on and off you been relying on UN notions and definitions.

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

Hope you learned something, if you have more questions let me know

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djabor@reddit

jews are the indigenous people to judea

arabs are colonizers and they will never have a claim to jewish land.

druze, beduin, arab muslims, christians and jews also claim israel for the jews.

hamas and their ilk will be long forgotten and just another in a long list of hateful tribes trying to kill jews just because they hate jews.

palestinians are nothing but an invention by arafat to deny jews their homeland.

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ForgetfullRelms@reddit

https://www.redcross.org.uk/stories/disasters-and-emergencies/world/what-is-the-red-cross-doing-to-help-hostages-in-gaza

Here’s some evidence of Hamas not letting the Red Cross see the hostages if you ever need it

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djabor@reddit

funny, i was told hamas treated the hostages so humanely.

schrodinger’s humanity

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ForgetfullRelms@reddit

Dude refuse to even admit that he was wrong, and I was even phrasing it in a way to show how he is harming he’s side.

He’s only rebuttal is Israeli actions as if that means Hamas didn’t do something.

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djabor@reddit

they always do that

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cesaroncalves@reddit

And there it is, the religious fanatic has come out.

All of those are false.

Jews follow the religion of Judaism.

Palestinian are native to the land, your own DNA tests have proven it.

druze, beduin, arab muslims, christians and jews also claim israel for the jews.

No they don't.

hamas and their ilk will be long forgotten and just another in a long list of hateful tribes trying to kill jews just because they hate jews.

They have said multiple times, it's because you steel their land, occupy and oppress them, rape and kidnap them. You're the worst state in the world when it comes to Human Rights Violations, it's quite normal and understandable they hate you, Israelis specifically.

palestinians are nothing but an invention by arafat to deny jews their homeland.

Palestinians are the people that live in Palestine, before there was an Israel, there were already Palestinians, that included Jews (against your fanaticism).

So, every thing you said was a lie, congratulations on perpetrating the stereotype of Israelis being liars.

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

Your "homeland" is less than 80 years old, you being Jewish has nothing to do with and no one cares that you are, zionists are the vegans of religions, always playing the victim while being the aggressor, the invader, the thieves, the rapists, the murderers, the coloniser, the alien, the colonialist, the imperialist and literally from everywhere else expect from Palestine

Go back to Poland Mileikowsky where you belong

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860v2@reddit

That’s great, but they still didn’t answer the question.

Refusing to admit that the death numbers include terrorists just makes them a Hamas propagandist.

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

that's great

Yeah I know that you zionists rejoice at the sight of dead babies

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860v2@reddit

Nice deflection.

You still have not answered the question.

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randompersononearth9@reddit

Sure lets say for arguments sake that of the 400 about 300 are hamas member from various ranks.

That means during a ceasefire 100 civilians got killed with possible many children amongst them.

Now this is already bad in itself but i am almost positive that there is nothing close to 300 hamas members and that the amount of civilians are more than hamas.

Furthermore even if it was 400 hamas member, they still got killed during a ceasefire that has been broken by israel while witholding aid alongside it.

Feel free to deflect again like you have been ordered to but everybody can see that israel is actively comitting genocide and ordering its people to deflect and defend it without question. There is no redemtion to this no mather how much you call everyone else antisemetic or hamas apologists this will forever be a stain on israel and the jewish community.

Bunch of extremist religious psychopaths who still seem to think they are special and the world was given to them 5000 years ago.

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860v2@reddit

The first phase of the ceasefire in Gaza, under which dozens of Israeli hostages and hundreds of Palestinian prisoners and detainees were freed, reached its expiration date on Saturday — with Israel and Hamas split on what comes next.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/01/europe/gaza-ceasefire-ends-israel-hamas-intl/index.html

You just made all that up. If you try to pass “400 dead” as “400 civilians dead”, as done above, then you’re nothing more than a Hamas propagandist.

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

We also know that you online hasbara 🐛 entire job is to deflect blame away from the zionists genocidal apartheid ethnostate

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Unable-Scallion-387@reddit

Good faith discussion right here

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

There is no discourse to be had with zionists hasbara bots and those who support genocide

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EntertainmentIcy3090@reddit

the cease fire broken

It expired. Hamas still has the option of trading more hostages for another temporary peace.

If they want a permanent peace they have the option of capitulating.

400 people were killed

Art 51. 7 API https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/pt/ihl-treaties/api-1977/article-51

The presence or movements of the civilian population or individual civilians shall not be used to render certain points or areas immune from military operations, in particular in attempts to shield military objectives from attacks or to shield, favour or impede military operations. The Parties to the conflict shall not direct the movement of the civilian population or individual civilians in order to attempt to shield military objectives from attacks or to shield military operations.

The deaths of innocents are tragic. While it cannot bring them back, it is good that those responsible for their deaths have died.

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CwazyCanuck@reddit

The ceasefire didn’t expire.

The agreement provided for 3 phases, to be 6 weeks each. Phase 1 was complete and Hamas wanted to move to phase 2, as per the agreement, Israel refused, but instead offered to extend phase 1. Israel didn’t want to go into phase 2 because it would limit their option to resume the war whenever they wanted. It would also move both parties closer to making peace. And if Hamas released all the hostages as part of phase 1, there would be nothing to stop Israel from resuming the war either.

Israel negotiated the ceasefire agreement in bad faith as they had no intentions of proceeding to phase 2. Had Israel proceeded with the phases, all hostages would have been released, and as per phase 3, Hamas would not rebuild its military capabilities.

This ceasefire agreement was supposed to lead to permanent peace. Instead you insist that Hamas must capitulate with no guarantee of permanent peace.

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EntertainmentIcy3090@reddit

The ceasefire didn’t expire.

It did. Phase 1 was set for 42 days and expired.

Phase 1 was complete and Hamas wanted

Correct. It was complete. One might even describe it as having expired.

The parties could have come to an agreement which would have extended the cease fire. But they did not.

Instead you insist that Hamas must capitulate

Precisely. I wish that the Israelis were as steadfast as the allies when insisting on total capitulation. This constant conflict helps neither party

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Ropetrick6@reddit

So how about Israel breaking the ceasefire by refusing to move on to phase 2?

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EntertainmentIcy3090@reddit

An agreement needs to be agreed upon by all parties, by definition.

The Israelis did not break anything. Israel and Hamas could not agree on terms for a prolonged ceasefire and the previous ceasefire agreement expired.

Thus the state of war resumed.

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Ropetrick6@reddit

The agreement specifically said it would be done in phases, with one phase following after the other. The Israelis broke that agreement by refusing to allow phase 2 of the agreement to happen.

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EntertainmentIcy3090@reddit

The agreement specifically said it would be done in phases, with one phase following after the other.

Exactly. Phase 1 was agreed upon and during it they would try to negotiate for phase 2. The negotians for phase 2 were unsuccessful therefore the ceasefire expired.

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Ropetrick6@reddit

Sounds like Israel broke the ceasefire by refusing to let the agreement they signed continue...

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EntertainmentIcy3090@reddit

Again. Nothing was broken.

There was a deal that expired. A second one was never reached

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Ropetrick6@reddit

There was an existing second deal, it's called the second phase of the already agreed-upon agreement...

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EntertainmentIcy3090@reddit

There was an existing second deal, it's called the second phase of the already agreed-upon agreement...

You are objectively wrong about that. Here is an article from january

https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-hamas-war-news-01-14-2025-a1495c0f4f13102903ce31a862c49baa

Details of the second phase still must be negotiated during the first. Those details remain difficult to resolve — and the deal does not include written guarantees that the ceasefire will continue until a deal is reached. That means Israel could resume its military campaign after the first phase ends.

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Ropetrick6@reddit

So you're saying that because Israel refuses to go to the negotiations table, it perfectly alright for Israel to continue its mass slaughter of civilians. Wow.

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EntertainmentIcy3090@reddit

Israel has a clear Casus Belli. Israel is allowed to fight Hamas.

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Ropetrick6@reddit

What Casus Beli? It feels like it has the right to exterminate Palestinian civilians, so it'll go as far as killing their own hostages to go about doing it?

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EntertainmentIcy3090@reddit

Casus Beli?

Oct. 7th massacre
taking hostages
holding hostages
murdering hostages
missiles fired into Israel

It feels like it has the right to exterminate Palestinian civilians

No But Israel has a right to fight a war even if that war causes incidental loss of civilian life.

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Ropetrick6@reddit

And for Israel:

Nakba

taking hostages

holding hostages

murdering hostages

raping hostages

murdering civilians

murdering children

firing missiles into Gaza

Apartheid

funding terrorists

arming terrorists

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EntertainmentIcy3090@reddit

And?

Both sides have reason to declare war.

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Ropetrick6@reddit

And Israel is the aggressor.

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EntertainmentIcy3090@reddit

Whatever starting point you wish to choose I can find you atrocities committed against Jews that precede it.

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Ropetrick6@reddit

Israel committed the first act of war, ergo Israel declared war. I'm sorry that your favorite ethnostate isn't perfect like you pretend it is.

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EntertainmentIcy3090@reddit

When was that and what did they do?

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Ropetrick6@reddit

They engaged in blockading Gaza, an act of war.

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EntertainmentIcy3090@reddit

Okay you answered the what. I also asked when.

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Ropetrick6@reddit

Yes.

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EntertainmentIcy3090@reddit

Then answer it. I don't want to make assumptions about your argument before I give you a proper answer.

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Ropetrick6@reddit

I did answer it.

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EntertainmentIcy3090@reddit

So to recap your argument. You are arguing that Israel committed the first act of war and are thus the agressor.

You are arguing that this first act of war was the Israeli blockade of Gaza.

You still need to specify the timeframe. As it could be anywhere between 1990 and 2007

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Ropetrick6@reddit

Israel has been blockading Gaza non-stop, which is an act of war.

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EntertainmentIcy3090@reddit

You said they started it. Say when they started it.

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Ropetrick6@reddit

Immediately, via their blockade that they haven't ever ended.

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EntertainmentIcy3090@reddit

Give me a date

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Ropetrick6@reddit

The restrictions on movement and goods in Gaza imposed by Israel date to the early 1990s.[1] After Hamas took over in 2007, Israel significantly intensified existing movement restrictions and imposed a complete blockade on the movement of goods and people in and out of the Gaza Strip.[2]

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EntertainmentIcy3090@reddit

That's a time span. Give me a date

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Ropetrick6@reddit

1991, Israel blockaded Gaza, a deliberate act of war.

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EntertainmentIcy3090@reddit

which was preceded by the 1st intifada which was also an act of war

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Ropetrick6@reddit

Source?

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EntertainmentIcy3090@reddit

No.

The first intifada began in 87. 87 is earlier than 91. I will not be providing you a source for such basic math

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Ropetrick6@reddit

So you refuse to back up your claim of the first intifada being the act of war that brought us into the current Israeli invasion of Palestine, but are still claiming it to be such. Got it.

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EntertainmentIcy3090@reddit

This has been my argument and I have been consistent in defending it.

Whatever starting point you wish to choose I can find you atrocities committed against Jews that precede it.

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Ropetrick6@reddit

So what does the first Intifada have to do with the current Israeli invasion of Palestine, the topic matter of our conversation?

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EntertainmentIcy3090@reddit

A lot. The history of the conflict is long and complicated

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Ropetrick6@reddit

And in the current invasion, Israel is the aggressor.

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EntertainmentIcy3090@reddit

Nope. Israel responded to an attack.

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Ropetrick6@reddit

Israel committed the first act of war by engaging in a blockade.

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EntertainmentIcy3090@reddit

And the blockade was preceded by an attack

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Ropetrick6@reddit

Which was preceded by the blockade.

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EntertainmentIcy3090@reddit

which was preceded by the intifada

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Ropetrick6@reddit

Which has no bearing on the current invasion of Palestine by Israel.

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EntertainmentIcy3090@reddit

Of course it does. Actions have consequences. The Israelis blockaded Gaza for a very good reason.

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Ropetrick6@reddit

Yeah, the Israelis want to starve the Palestinian population of Palestine into rolling over and dying for Israel's expansionist ambitions.

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EntertainmentIcy3090@reddit

Nope. As we already discussed the Israelis kinda dislike Intifadas and would rather live in peace

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the_art_of_the_taco@reddit

All parties agreed to a three-phase ceasefire in January, including israel.

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EntertainmentIcy3090@reddit

Correct. And during phase 1 phase 2 was supposed to be negotiated. That did not work out. Thus war

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Solarwinds-123@reddit

If they want a permanent peace they have the option of capitulating.

And what do you think would happen to them if they did that? I don't think anyone believes it would be peaceful.

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EntertainmentIcy3090@reddit

Ideally there would be an occupation and deradicalisation of the Gazan people. Then hopefully long term peace. Worked for us. I believe it can work for them

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elitereaper1@reddit

Lol. Says the guy celebrating the 400 death toll.

Yeah, back to square one.

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EntertainmentIcy3090@reddit

Bro read my comment. I am celebrating that they got important Hamas members

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elitereaper1@reddit

At the cost of civilians lives.

Quick to condemn hamas for their civilians casualties.

Israel and the IDF? but but war, it the cost of fighting a war. Kills civilians, a tragedy but must be done because HAMAS.

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EntertainmentIcy3090@reddit

Murder is worse than accidental death in a car crash. Even if the latter is more common.

Similarly murder is a worse crime than incidental loss of civilian life even though the latter may (in this case) be more common.

If you want to see why Hamas' crimes are more than just civilian casualties you are welcome to watch the footage at thisishamas.com

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cesaroncalves@reddit

Your propaganda site still has a lot of debunked information on it.

The Concept of Evil

3.6.1 Psychopaths

Psychopathy is a syndrome that consists in lacking certain emotional, interpersonal, and behavioural traits and having others (Hare 1999). Some of the defining characteristics of psychopathy include shallow emotions, egocentricity, deceitfulness, impulsivity, a lack of empathy, and a lack of guilt and remorse. Particularly relevant for assessments of moral responsibility is the psychopath’s inability to care for others and for the rules of morality.

You're showing a lot of those characteristics.

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EntertainmentIcy3090@reddit

Congratulations. You have unlocked the power of googling psychology words.

That does not in any way qualify you to diagnose anonymous people over the internet

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cesaroncalves@reddit

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, I'm pretty certain it ain't no horse, no need for a professional zoologist for the blatant cases.

But do go see one ... I strongly suggest ... a phycologist I mean, not the zoologist.

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EntertainmentIcy3090@reddit

Bro stop pretending to be a psychologist

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elitereaper1@reddit

There is enough videoes of suffering for everyone involved in this conflict.

Nonetheless, it does not justify Israel lack of (deliberate) caution when fighting Hamas.

Plenty of democratic countries and international organizations have highlighted Israel actions in regard to human rights and civilian causality.

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EntertainmentIcy3090@reddit

There is enough videoes of suffering for everyone involved in this conflict.

Suffering yes, murder no.

Nonetheless, it does not justify Israel lack of (deliberate) caution when fighting Hamas.

Ok pretend that you are an IDF officer. How do you fight Hamas with less casualties?

Plenty of democratic countries and international organizations have highlighted Israel actions in regard to human rights and civilian causality.

And? Back in the day plenty of good and honest folk were convinced that Jews poisoned the water and sacrificed babies. Nothing of this is new

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elitereaper1@reddit

“The First Live-Streamed Genocide”: Al Jazeera Exposes War Crimes Filmed by Israeli Troops Themselves | Democracy Now!

As an IDF soldier, i would start by not being a POS. alternatively not record my crimes on tiktok or youtube.

As an IDF soldier with American backing. I would use better weapons, weapons that America probably supplied Israel, and listen to American chain of command.

Civilian casualties in the war in Afghanistan (2001–2021) - Wikipedia

A 20 year conflict, The War in Afghanistan killed 176,000 people in Afghanistan: 46,319 civilians, 69,095 military and police and at least 52,893 opposition fighters

In 1 or 2 year, Israeli Gaza conflict now has a death toll of:

Casualties of the Gaza war - Wikipedia

As of 4 March 2025, over 50,000 people – 48,405 Palestinian^([3])^([8]) and 1,706 Israeli^([c])

In less than 2 years, Israel has racked up civilian death comparable to a 20 year conflict by the Americans.

so, either Israeli are shitty soldiers or don't care about civilian casualty, Go choose your poison.

This only get worse for Israel as journalist can;t enter Gaza and reconstruction hasn;t started, the amount of unknown bodies under all the destroyed buildings not to mention stopping all aid.

Counting the dead in Gaza: difficult but essential - The Lancet

Some estimate goes as high as 186 000, congratulation on killing more ppl than the Afghanistan war, Israel.

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DonutUpset5717@reddit

Hamas still has the option of trading more hostages for another temporary peace

Ah I'm sure the Palestinian people would love another month of peace until Israel gets to bomb them again.

I think using the deaths of civilians to try and force a peace deal is immoral.

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GothicGolem29@reddit

I mean I think Palestinians would want as much peace as they could get another month is better than no more months…..

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DonutUpset5717@reddit

You don't think there's a problem with the options being get bombed now or get bombed in a month?

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GothicGolem29@reddit

Perhaps but the second option is still better

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IdiAmini@reddit

Luckily "you think" means nothing, seeing as there is no brain matter present in that thick skull

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wewew47@reddit

it is good that those responsible for their deaths have died.

Unfortunately Netanyahu is still alive.

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waiver@reddit

A spokesman is not a military objective, for starters.

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EntertainmentIcy3090@reddit

Of course he is.

Rule 8. In so far as objects are concerned, military objectives are limited to those objects which by their nature, location, purpose or use make an effective contribution to military action and whose partial or total destruction, capture or neutralization, in the circumstances ruling at the time, offers a definite military advantage.

Propaganda falls under that umbrella

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waiver@reddit

Certainly not. A spokesman's role bears no significant influence on the course of a war, and their elimination offers no tangible military advantage. Moreover, they can be effortlessly replaced.

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EntertainmentIcy3090@reddit

Propaganda is absolutely necessary in war.

Arguably Propaganda is the only front where Israel is losing. Of course they gain a military advantage by eliminating enemy propagandists.

Replacing people is never effortless.

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GothicGolem29@reddit

The ceasefire expired Hamas was given the option to extend phase 1 and they refused. And tbf they said it was good the Hamas Leaders died not the civs. I do think it’s bad the civs died tho they should have tried to target those Hamas people with that

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Bourbon-Decay@reddit

The ceasefire expired Hamas was given the option to extend phase 1 and they refused.

No, Hamas insisted on negotiating Phase 2, Israel refused to negotiate. Instead, Israel decided to change the plan, and refused to budge on the new "US agreement." Israel forced the "expiration" of Phase 1 so they could restart the ethnic cleansing campaign in Gaza. It's not like Israel every respected the agreement anyway, they continued to bomb and shoot Palestinians in Gaza the entire time

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GothicGolem29@reddit

Yes. Hamas insisted on negotiations phase 2 Israel offered a compromise of extending phase 1 and Hamas refused it. Israel did NOT force it to expire they and the US put forward offers that Hamas rejected and so the ceasefire expired. If Hamas had accepted the ceasefire request it would have continued. The respected the agreement in some ways the killings drastically reduced Israel left one corridor released Palestinian prisoners including some terrorists as well as just civs and allowed more aid in. The ceasefire was still for sure worthwhile

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cesaroncalves@reddit

That's an interesting way of saying it.

You're so close to brushing the lie that you actually touched it.

"offered a compromise" - here is a lie

"it would have continued." - here's another

The truth is also in your comment, even if your point is not. Israel never followed the ceasefire entirely, but broke it entirely.

You're giving them the leeway to break the agreement that no one should have, and I know that if Hamas had done any of the things Israel did, the Hasbaras would be up and arms.

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GothicGolem29@reddit

Well this is an interesting response lol

offered a compromise

It is a conpromise to extend phase one if phase 2 wasn’t being agreed.

it would have continued

Lol how is saying extending a phase one ceasefire means the ceasefire continues a lie???

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the_art_of_the_taco@reddit

Both parties agreed to the three-phase plan in January, israel decided to renege on the established deal. That isn't a "compromise".

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GothicGolem29@reddit

Israel didnt decide that they decided to ask for an extension of phase one which could still follow the three phase plan. Also, the issue with the three phase plan is that the details weren’t agreed and Israel and Hamas had completely different ideas for phase 2 meaning it would be hard to agree. So Israel offered the compromise of phase one continuing so the ceasefire could continue

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Funtycuck@reddit

Hey to be fair they have a German flag, approving of genocide is just their culture.

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Prize-Highlight@reddit

Its a national past time.

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Dependent-Quail-1993@reddit

You're right. GREAT JOB IDF!

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Daryno90@reddit

Of course they would say that, most of them believe that Israel should be allowed to kill all Palestinians

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Aenjeprekemaluci@reddit

Yeah, they always have a terrible mindset, not different from far right people...

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reddit4ne@reddit

Whats with Germans and loving genocide?

This is all your fault!

Maybe time to think about a time for "final solution" to our german problem.

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EntertainmentIcy3090@reddit

Whats with Germans and loving genocide?

This is all your fault!

Maybe time to think about a time for "final solution" to our german problem.

\^\^ least racist Pro Palestinian

u/reddit4ne

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reddit4ne@reddit

1) Germans are not allowed to complain about racism from now until....the end of time, approximately. Especially when they are being racist. I singled out your German background, just as reminder that as German you should probably take extra care not to go cheering a genocide, perhaps?

2) ooo SCARRY, you reprinted my username. Im shaking in my boots. Bro, I got a "I wish a ni\^\^\^ would" mentality. For example, "Call your Israeli boyfriends, I wish they would try something on me." <>

3) There should be a half-sarcastic icon. Replace Germans with Blacks (or Muslims) and loving genocide with loving violence/terrorism, and you get your average post on r/worldnews and many oher subreddits.

Its kinda shocking isnt it, when it flipped against you? I do this often, and its amazing how hard people like you (racists) cry when the racism is flipped on them, verbatim. Amazing.

Oh yeah, I can tell your a racist cause you think killing 5-10 Hamas people is a good job, evne if it killed 500+ civilians. Thats only possible if you dont see Palestinian civilians as human.

Since you may have difficulty understanding equity or proportions, let me do the math for you. 10 Hamas operatives to say 500 civilians is a 1:50 ratio, or 0.0002% target accuracy. Thats atrocious if you're using a freaking trebuchet, never mind the worlds most advanced targeting systems -- but you thought that was a good job! YOUR WORDS!!!

Meanwhile,by contrast, when Hamas killed 800 civilians while also killing 400 IDF soldiers/intelligence operatives on OCt. 7th -- you and all your racist buddies found your excuse to justify a genocide against Palestinians. So Hamas's ratio of 1:2 IDF operatives to 2 Israeli cilvians, is equal to approximately 33% target accuracy, which is OVER 1,500 TIMES MORE ACCURATE AND DISCRIMINATORY (in avoiding civilian casualties) than the IDF's latest strikes on Gaza, which you applauded.

The only explanation is that you dont see Palestinain civlian life as even 1/1000th as valuable as Israeli lives. That, my friends, is a GERMAN level of genocidal racism.

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EntertainmentIcy3090@reddit

Keep tilting at windmills.

Also your math is terrible

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-C-@reddit

Germans and supporting fascists massacring civilians, name a more iconic duo

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BehemothDeTerre@reddit

Anime_titties and supporting fascist theocratic terrorists massacring civilians.

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elitereaper1@reddit

We don't support Israel here at anime_titties.

Maybe Israel should stop being evil. Food for thought.

I wait, they block food aid to Gaza. So no food for civilians. I wonder what international communities says? Ah yes. War crimes. Tsk ask https://www.amnesty.org.au/israels-blockage-of-aid-into-gaza-is-a-crime-against-humanity-and-violation-of-international-law/

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BehemothDeTerre@reddit

No, you support fascist theocratic terrorists massacring civilians at Hamas_titties.

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elitereaper1@reddit

I don't support Israel.

The ones murdering civilians, the so-called chosen ppl. With the prime minister referencing the Amalek and their holy Bible.

The journalist, the aid workers, and the dorctors, they blame Israel for massacring civilians.

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BehemothDeTerre@reddit

Indeed, you support fascist theocratic terrorists massacring civilians at Hamas_titties.

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djabor@reddit

maybe you should stop being fooled by theocratic terorrists propaganda. just sayin’

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Ropetrick6@reddit

they're not being fooled by Israel though?

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djabor@reddit

right, because the democratic nation that supplied asian nations with free tsunami detection systems after the great tsunami,

or the one sending field hospitals in major earthquake stricken nations before other nations

or the one sending firefighters to LA and NOT asking to be paid

or the one where LGBTQ people are free

where muslims have more freedom than in any islamic nation

is the one doing the fooling

not hamas, the islamist terrorists

good thinking buddy!

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Ropetrick6@reddit

You're doing an awful lot of glazing for a terrorist state.

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djabor@reddit

it’s called being humans, something that can’t be said of hamas, you know, those people you blindly believe and spread propaganda for

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Ropetrick6@reddit

Source, you supporter of terrorists?

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djabor@reddit

10/7,

2014

2006

1972

1967

1948

1939-1945

1918

1900

1814

1800

and a very long list of islamists attacking jews all the way back to when islam was created

you know, the actual terrorists

you can use google - terrorist

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Ropetrick6@reddit

Last time I checked, those lists of years have nothing to do with your false accusation of me believing Hamas lies or spreading propaganda.

Also, you listed years from BEFORE Hamas even existed. You're so lost in your own sauce that you forgot the existence of linear time.

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djabor@reddit

you asked sources that prove israel is not spreading hamas is spreading propaganda and hamas is.

that list proves hamas’ narrative is false from its core up to the claim they are the victims.

so yes, things before hamas can support that claim, genius

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Ropetrick6@reddit

I asked for sources for your false accusations against me, but evidently the nuances of the English language are far beyond the capabilities of a terrorist supporter like yourself.

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elitereaper1@reddit

Sure. The terrorist propaganda of amenstry international. Get bent.

The ICJ and and various democratic countries have made it clear, u Israeli have cross many lines and broken international rules.

You may have the backing and support of America, but the public sees the genocide you committed.

The protests in new york, UK, Canada, EU. They are with the Palestinians.

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djabor@reddit

ah yes the amnesty that was so involved with the 250 israeli hostages that they barely ever mentioned them.

that amnesty?

the icj that you care so much about that you never ever repeated their call to unconditionally release all the hostages? or the ICJ that made a point of publishing that none of the claims or warnings mean israel is committing a genocide.

but i guess innocent until proven guilty is a luxury you don’t allow jews - because they are guilty whenever hamas makes a little pallywood clip to tug on your little emotional strings.

useful idiot, nothing more, nothing less

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elitereaper1@reddit

Says the country who launched an attack, killing hundreds of civilians yesterday.

Where the innocent until proven guilty. What was legal the process for the hundreds people your country killed? Screaming hamas, and thus, it okay to launch an attack, killing civilians.

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djabor@reddit

according to hamas?

until i see actual evidence civilians were killed in any other context than as human shields employed by hamas, i’ll indeed reserve my opinion in israel’s benefit rather than taking rabid terrorist’s word for it.

but i can understand why a useful idiot like you would do it.

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elitereaper1@reddit

The same Israel that lies and lies and breaks ceasefire. But I shouldn't be surprised by a genocide supporter.

After 1 year and a death toll of like 40,000+, defending action like this. It is no wonder public perception of Israel is negative. You can't stop being evil. Tsk tsk.

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djabor@reddit

if your comments do not unequivocally call for the return of hostages during this month of ceasefire, then you are a hypocrite and none of what you say is even relevant.

you can jump up and down like a little prick - fuck hamas and fuck their army of useful idiots

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elitereaper1@reddit

Damn. Look at you whine whine. Wah wah

Lol. I'd say u sound pissed. You poor genocidal monster.

Language, child. Can't believe you made yourself mad. Tsk tsk.

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djabor@reddit

lies according to hamas

ceasefire broken by hamas (10/7)

fuck any ceasefire when hamas is not returning hostages

either return hostages or get bombed

whine all you want. hamas needs to be eradicated

pissing you little terrorists useful idiot shits off is just a bonus

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elitereaper1@reddit

The only one being pissed of is your dear leader and military command that whine like a baby the world criticizes your action. Even threatening US students. Pathetic.

The whining is done by Israeli like you when ppl comment on how x Israeli operation killed civilians and you respond with hamas this, hamas that.

Must sucks that despite your actions and your own government, public opinion still see Israel negatively.

You sad boi. SMH.

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860v2@reddit

Palestinians and rejecting peace.

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-C-@reddit

Yeah you’re right, how dare the Palestinians not shut up and accept ethnic cleansing by a deranged ethnostate who’s only justification for existence is a book thats dated as close to the Stone Age as it is to modern times

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860v2@reddit

You just proved my point.

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cookingboy@reddit

No they didn’t. Just because you say something doesn’t make it true.

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860v2@reddit

Yes, they did. They proceeded to describe Palestinians rejecting peace.

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Ropetrick6@reddit

The Jews really should have just accepted peace with the Nazis - you

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EntertainmentIcy3090@reddit

name a more iconic duo

People like you not having any arguments and debasing oneself by being racist

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-C-@reddit

You’re the one debasing yourself by cheering on (another) genocide, Nazi

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Old-Raspberry9684@reddit

Germans love genocide 💖

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EntertainmentIcy3090@reddit

\^\^ when you have no argument so you just spout racism

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Old-Raspberry9684@reddit

IDF is committing Genocide and Apartheid. You say "good job IDF" after they murder hundreds of women and children in one night. You are in support of genocide, and you are German. What's racist about that?

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EntertainmentIcy3090@reddit

Genocide and Apartheid.

It is not.

You say "good job IDF" after they murder hundreds of women and children in one night.

I said good job after they lawfully killed enemy leadership and personell in a war. Ready my comment before replying

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cookingboy@reddit

I say good job after they lawfully killed

By that logic you would also say good job if Israel nukes Gaza and kills all Hamas along with everyone else.

You make it clear that you do not value civilian casualties in your assessment of whether a military operation was “good job” or not, and that is why people here are criticizing you.

In case you weren’t aware.

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EntertainmentIcy3090@reddit

By that logic you would also say good job if Israel nukes Gaza and kills all Hamas along with everyone else.

No that would be excessive under Art. 51 5 b API.

I would argue that they should be doing what they are doing right now as that incurs far fewer civilian casualties than a nuke for roughly the same gain.

Also there would be a bunch of different additional issues with using a nuke.

You made it clear that you do not value civilian casualties in your assessment of whether a military operation was “good job” or not, and that is why people here are criticizing you.

A lot of the replies I am getting are pure garbage. There are people like you who will make arguments in womewhat good faith and there are also lots of people who will just be outright racist and insulting. Feel free to browse.

I believe the worst one I got so far was some degenerate calling for the extermination of all Germans or some nonsense to that regard.

As to your point I do value the life of civilians. War is hell and we have rules of war for a very good reason. One of those rules is Art. 51 7 API.

Hamas constantly breaks it and exposes their own people to danger because they know it works. They know that if they just hide their military targets amongst civilians because they will generate this emotional reaction from well-meaning but misguided people.

By letting Hamas win through this strategy of deliberately breaking the rules of war, people incentivise Hamas to do it more often. Not seeing the bigger picture is indirectly killing innocents.

This is why I argue my points. Everyone, on either side of the issue, benefits from actually knowing the rules of war.

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Mr-Anderson123@reddit

Had to be a kraut, your country should’ve never been reconstituted after the war

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Old-Raspberry9684@reddit

It is Genocide:

https://www.hrw.org/report/2024/12/19/extermination-and-acts-genocide/israel-deliberately-depriving-palestinians-gaza

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/12/amnesty-international-concludes-israel-is-committing-genocide-against-palestinians-in-gaza/

It is Apartheid:

https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/07/19/world-court-finds-israel-responsible-apartheid

You are failing to see the forest for the trees as you continue to cheer on the IDF's crimes against humanity. What happened to never again? Let me guess, the IDF soldiers are just doing their jobs?

Don't be another genocidal German please, we've all seen how that plays out.

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IdiAmini@reddit

Ah, another German that has learned nothing and revels in the murder of innocent children. Guess history does rhyme, you scumbag, genocide loving filth

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BrownThunderMK@reddit

Israel previously imposed a total halt on all humanitarian aid entering Gaza, causing widespread international alarm. "For two weeks now, our food supplies are rotting at the borders, the medicines are expiring, the water's been cut off, the power's been cut off - and all that to punish civilians further," Mr Fletcher told BBC Radio 4's Today programme.

In addition to being an act of genocide, Israel‘s ability to reduce the number of trucks from 600 per day to zero at a moments notice, is undeniable evidence that they are the ones causing the manufactured starvation, and not the bullshit “Khamas stealing aide” excuse.

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860v2@reddit

Hamas is on video stealing aid.

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

Nah

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860v2@reddit

lol

https://youtu.be/LnVST02SFfc?si=7z4bGqnvxt4TRMau

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

No context for the video except for the title, try again zionist lmao

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860v2@reddit

So if it’s not Hamas stealing aid, then what is it?

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

Don't know, but not jumping to conclusions like zionists do to prevent aid from reaching civilians, aswell as cut water and electricity, when they claim that they "left gaza in 2007" but apparently still control their resources

Gaza is a concentration camp, israel is nazi Germany

If you have anymore questions let me know

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860v2@reddit

I don’t know what it is but I definitely know it’s not Hamas stealing aid

🥴

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

If you are confused with what your eyes is showing you I suggest you remove your hasbara zionist lenses off, you'll see that a nothing-burger doesn't give you an excuse to collective punishment 2 million people and starve them

Or is that too much to ask of israelies not to kill civilians?

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860v2@reddit

You already said you don’t know anything. Why are you still typing?

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

I know that the people of the apartheid ethnostate love killing civilians

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860v2@reddit

Yes, I’m sure you think that. But absolutely no one cares about your opinion.

That’s the problem with admitting that you don’t know anything.

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ForgetfullRelms@reddit

Even if you provide evidence he would just go to support the action and refuse to directly state he is wrong.

https://www.reddit.com/r/anime_titties/s/ZWgLUaRAkC

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

Lol what evidence? Are you that detached from reality that you can't see counter arguments?

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ForgetfullRelms@reddit

Your counter argument is that Israel prevented the Red Cross from seeing Israeli prisoners, not that the Red Cross actually gotten to see the Hamas hostages unless you want to count when the Red Cross was aiding in the handover.

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

I said that the red cross was prevented from seeing Palestinian hostages, keep up.

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ForgetfullRelms@reddit

And that was stated in response to me providing evidence of Hamas not allowing the Red Cross to see Hamas hostages.

Have you forgotten that this started because you called the claim that Hamas prevented the Red Cross from seeing their hostages a lie?

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

Oh you mean how you jumped with that comment to defend thay Israeli guy when the original comment was about aid theft? Yeah I remember

It's false until backed by a source, and its trivialised further when the apartheid state refused to let the RC in to see Palestinian hostages

Next point.

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ForgetfullRelms@reddit

How many claims have you made so far without sources? Are all of them false by that logic?

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

Let's not pretend you believe anything I say (you do, but the hasbara in new argues regardless)

Go ahead, find me a comment and ask for a source

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ForgetfullRelms@reddit

https://www.reddit.com/r/anime_titties/s/qOILLV63Jo

What gives Hamas- as a resistance organization- the right to fight their oppressors without regard to any rules of warfare?

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

Yes with the caveat that you limit your attacks on women and children, which hamas has done

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_resist https://www.icrc.org/en/document/ihl-rules-of-war-FAQ-Geneva-Conventions

Now the inverse is the opposite, israels attacks are mostly on women and children

Next point

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ForgetfullRelms@reddit

https://www.reddit.com/r/anime_titties/s/slH5KeKLGZ

Hamas limiting their attacks on women and children

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

https://bod.org.uk/bod-news/the-hostages-still-held-in-gaza/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription_in_Israel#:~:text=As%20of%202022%2C%20the%20minimum,service)%20for%20conscripted%20Jewish%20women.

Joining the Military is compulsory, the targets taken are legitimate, innocent ones are the children taken, but still following rules of war

Still the inverse of israel who targets women and children as most of the dead Palestinians are women and children

Next point

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ForgetfullRelms@reddit

The claim that taking hostages falls in line with the rules of warfare.

Also a question for your point about mandatory service- are you arguing that every man and woman of Israel is a valid military target?

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

Every man and woman is part of the military so yes unless you are underage

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ForgetfullRelms@reddit

By that logic- every man in Russia is a valid military target?

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

Don't care about Russia or the US

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ForgetfullRelms@reddit

I am asking to determine if this is a notion you believe in or it’s something you’re only willing to apply in this conflict but would be opposed to if say- the USA and Iran go to war and the USA adopts a similar approach to targeting that your describing Hamas’ approach as.

Which if I am interpreting this right; any demographic applicable for mandatory conscription are valid military targets, regardless if they are currently acting in a military capacity.

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

Again don't care about the US stop bringing in other countries like did with Afghanistan earlier

If you are officially and on public record received training to be part of the military then you are military

In contrast, israel targets hamas, their families and their unaware neighbours

Also

https://www.reddit.com/r/israelexposed/s/LHmwcn8JCJ

Is this a warcrime?

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ForgetfullRelms@reddit

You see no point in asking if a notion is applicable elsewhere? Is this a set of notions only for the context of the ongoing conflict in the Levant?

Like how the IDF use Hamas payroll to try to target Hamas members?

Depends, if the hospital was being used for military operations, ends, or have military facilities set up within it? No or at most this is a question of proportionality. If it had its protection status maintained- Yes.

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

What proof do you have if it was used as a military facility?

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ForgetfullRelms@reddit

At the moment, none, but also I am unfamiliar with that specific instance, you simply showed me a video and ask me if it was a warcrime. Should I show you a video of adult, civilian clothed, unarmed Israeli men and women being gunned down on October 7th and ask you on the spot if it was a warcrime or not?

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

Alright great so if that's the case, you have no proof that it was used for military facility then that would make it a warcrime

Attacks on schools and hospitals during conflict is one of the six grave violations identified and condemned by the UN Security Council

What outcome do you think should result from israel attacking and destroying hospitals and school and in turn being war criminals?

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ForgetfullRelms@reddit

Warrants being put out for upper military leadership, at minimum General and above, as well as ranking members of relevant intel-gathering institutions and of civil Government.

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

Great, what do you think of other countries who support those who you think are war criminals, since you are american ill mention the US

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ForgetfullRelms@reddit

So long as we also sanction nations who fund terror organizations- like Hamas or Hezbollah or The Houthie Movement- to similar degrees for such war crimes they also make, I see no issue to put sanctions on the USA. If this is a one way street- then no

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

What proof do you have of any nation funding these groups? We have proof of the US funding israel tho

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ForgetfullRelms@reddit

https://ecfr.eu/article/iran-hamas-and-islamic-jihad-a-marriage-of-convenience/?amp

About unbiased as ‘’ExposedIsreal.whatever’’

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

That's not a good indication of them supporting them financially like the US sends money to Israel and openly stating the amount they do even

If you have a better source then share it, because this one isn't it.

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ForgetfullRelms@reddit

I guess we can only go after countries that openly admit it then.

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

As an American, you do, one of the most destabilising nations in the world

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ForgetfullRelms@reddit

Because we beaten the others that tried.

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

Don't remember a time thevUS won a war, but that I'd besides the point, the US is a destabilising agent on the global scale

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ForgetfullRelms@reddit

WW2 with help, Korean War, Desert Storm, Cold War. Just off the top of my head

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

That's true the US has constantly been at wat with someone somewhere at any given time, warmongering aren't they?

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ForgetfullRelms@reddit

Dose that warmongering include protecting Allies and attacking terrorists that fly plains into our towers?

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

Lol don't get me started on that you won't like what I have to say, read my other comment

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ForgetfullRelms@reddit

I guess we were supposed to do the ethical thing and not protect Allies. I guess Kuwait was supposed to be under the jackboot of imperialism, South Korea purged, and so on.

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

The US doesn't have allies

Again, don't care about the US, if it implodes tomorrow I'll sleep better knowing the world if free from you.

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ForgetfullRelms@reddit

Then what is NATO?

Wow, your’ll sleep better with the deaths of millions, I guess your no better than the Zionists.

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

With things progressing for the US it might actually happen, I pray that the good people are able to get out when it does

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ForgetfullRelms@reddit

And go where- or do you not care?

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

I'll discuss that situation when it happens, you should learn not to discuss hypotheticals, makes you seem intellectually dishonest.

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ForgetfullRelms@reddit

That is how the holocaust started.

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

Thats a reach

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ForgetfullRelms@reddit

You do know that the Allies had plans on what to do at victory before victory came- were they foolish for making such plans?

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ForgetfullRelms@reddit

Forgot to ask, is the method of targeting you described Hamas as utilizing a warcrime?

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

They weren't targeted

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ForgetfullRelms@reddit

What is the preferred term then?

Targeting typically refers to the criteria used to determine if a target should be fired on by weapons.

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

They attacked an area under foreign occupation

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ForgetfullRelms@reddit

So this is a set of notions you specifically hold only for this specific conflict?

Why did you not make that clear earlier?

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

What? I can make what ever point whenever I want

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ForgetfullRelms@reddit

Why should anyone respect a set of notions specifically tillered to be applied to a specific situation.

Kinda like you know that if applied elsewhere- it would rightfully be seen as monstrous?

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

I dont care if you want to apply it anywhere else, this is a specific discussion about a specific people, like bringing in Afghanistan out of the blue trying to expand the hyperbole net

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ForgetfullRelms@reddit

It’s me trying to understand a notion by applying it elsewhere.

I guess notions only sometimes matters

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

Ofcourse they do depending on the situation and context

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ForgetfullRelms@reddit

So where would be such a context?

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

The context of our discussion

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ForgetfullRelms@reddit

Anywhere else or is your ideals only workable here because to apply elsewhere is to be monstrous and you haven’t dehumanized the affected populations?

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

It works in this context and by removing and isolating it from its environment is a way to undermine and trivialise the rights of Palestinians to fight their occupiers, but you wouldn't want that, you'd rather Palestinians keep their head down and getting killed one by one without fighting back

If you didn't, you wouldn't be arguing with me but arguing with the pro genocide pro israel people instead

Which makes it clear what you are and what you are values are, they are clear from the start btw

Read my other comment

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ForgetfullRelms@reddit

Your position to leave the conversation about those born in Israel until after victory is won render you a pro or ok with genocide individual in my book.

I guess I am having a argument with a pro genocide individual

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

My stance on you is that you are a pro genocide person since you are arguing with me about hypothicals instead of arguing with people about facts

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ForgetfullRelms@reddit

Yet if Israel had the same stance about Palestinians, I doubt you would see it as anything other than pro genocidal

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

Because they are people genocide, being pro palestine is to be anti occupation and anti occupiers

It's like arguing you shouldn't be anti concentration camps because you would mean you are anti nazi guards, the fuck?

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ForgetfullRelms@reddit

More like your leaving the door open to simply fill the consetration camps with German civilians after victory.

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

Difference is the concentration camps will be removed but you seem you want to keep them and advocating for then to stay

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-gaza-netzarim-corridor-hamas-war-threat-palestinians-collective-punishment/

Israel is threatening civilians of complete destruction, what do you think about that?

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

I am aware that israelies dont care about humanitarian or international law and love killing civilians, that's clear for everyone

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860v2@reddit

Venting into the void isn’t going to make you right. You’ve already admitted you don’t know anything.

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

I know that israel is an aparthied genocidal ethno supremacy nazi entity

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860v2@reddit

Nice try, buddy.

https://www.reddit.com/r/anime_titties/s/hJOQPixyVz

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

Omg you can link comments to other people good job! And what?

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ForgetfullRelms@reddit

Been pulling more than our weight since 03/11/1941.

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

I am very aware that you bankroll and cover them, both of you are to blame the genocide and ethnic cleansing

Thankfully the US is heading towards implosion soon so that should take care of itself

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ForgetfullRelms@reddit

That was the start of US lend-lease to the Allies. Might want to actually Google that date.

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

Nah don't really care

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SpontaneousFlame@reddit

You think aid goes into Gaza one pickup truck at a time, rather than on 18-wheelers? How ignorant are you?

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860v2@reddit

lol x2

https://youtube.com/shorts/W7JGeeNI41o?si=9-pE--0FceQP9L1e

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SpontaneousFlame@reddit

Oh no! Another Israeli government propaganda video! I must believe that one, because, um, apart from all the other lies, they wouldn’t lie to me about this, right?

Note the complete lack of devastation in the background and the poor video quality. Almost like it’s a much older video being re-uploaded for propaganda purposes.

Meanwhile, you’ve forgotten your first video, haven’t you? Or pretended to, anyway. Tell me, if you get caught in a lie, and you change your story, do you really think that makes you more believable?

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860v2@reddit

everything I don’t like is fake!

🥴

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SpontaneousFlame@reddit

If you keep posting obviously fake videos and expecting me to be gullible enough to believe them then you are going to be disappointed. What next - delivering aid on a bicycle?

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860v2@reddit

Everything can’t be fake. That’s not how that works.

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SpontaneousFlame@reddit

You posted a laughably stupidly fake video first. Do we now have to believe you because you only lie once?

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860v2@reddit

Prove that it’s fake.

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SpontaneousFlame@reddit

I have to prove a negative? Aside from the obvious? No, you have to prove it’s real, like from a refutable source. You may think you can just post up rubbish and demand that everyone believes it but the real world doesn’t work that way.

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860v2@reddit

Yes, you’re the one that claimed that it’s fake.

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SpontaneousFlame@reddit

It’s obviously fake. The first video was of pickup trucks that you were trying to pass off as aid trucks, FFS.

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860v2@reddit

So basically:

it’s fake because I said so

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SpontaneousFlame@reddit

Please show us the pictures of pick up trucks carrying tons of aid lining up at the border being checked by the IDF…

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860v2@reddit

I just showed you a video above.

Just to recap: I’ve linked two videos, you’ve linked…absolutely nothing. All you’ve done is “it’s fake because I said so”.

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SpontaneousFlame@reddit

You linked an obviously fake video. After having lied to me once you’re telling the truth the second time? Really? Pathetic. I’m sure your third lie will be just as convincing.

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860v2@reddit

I actually posted two videos.

You’ve posted absolutely nothing. You’re just yapping.

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SpontaneousFlame@reddit

Yes, you posted two videos. The first was an obvious lie. So we should believe the second one. Because a person will lie only once and then become completely trustworthy. Or it could be that they have been caught once and proven to be a liar.

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860v2@reddit

You have yet to prove that either are “obvious lies”.

“Because I said so” isn’t evidence.

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SpontaneousFlame@reddit

You said it was a UN aid truck. Show us the line of pickup trucks delivering aid in Gaza. Oh, wait, you can’t.

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860v2@reddit

Nope. You’re just mad.

https://www.reddit.com/r/anime_titties/s/7UFzI0p8Y4

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SpontaneousFlame@reddit

Gaslighting me? Pathetic.

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860v2@reddit

You said I said it was a UN truck.

Stay mad.

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Winter_Result_8734@reddit

Give up he dose not want to accept it. Totally rotten to the core

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

every lie I tell them must be believed

Nah, that ship has sailed, you are fully exposed

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860v2@reddit

Sounds like cope. You’re just upset that you’re losing at everything.

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

Nah I am enjoying how exposed the apartheid ethnostate is right now, ranked as the most destabilizing country globally, constant anti israel protest worldwide year long, alienated and hated by everyone, your genociding soldier are being hunted everywhere they go lmao

https://m.jpost.com/israel-news/article-840611

Your time is up, karma is catching up, your downfall will be celebrated by everyone

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

Ignorance can be excused, zionists are intentionally malicious which can't be excused.

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Winter_Result_8734@reddit

Do you remember the flour massacre ?

Justify that please

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860v2@reddit

The crowd rushed the trucks and the IDF. No one forced them to do that.

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Winter_Result_8734@reddit

Imagine starving people for weeks and months and then wondering when they rush to AID trucks to get food and water and medication to survive and nurture themselves and their children.

No one could’ve thought that would happen right ?

Honestly tho you are correct. The IDF was in the right to massacre these starving people because they felt threatened standing there with only their tanks and guns ! /s

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860v2@reddit

Thats Hamas’ fault. Not only did they start the war, they did not invest in the infrastructure required to feed their own people.

Regardless, no one is under any obligation to get mobbed, and possible hurt/killed, by a giant crowd just because they’re hungry.

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Winter_Result_8734@reddit

Ight I’m done responding to you. Very obviously you seem to be a crazy person who supports the death of children and won’t admit that he is in the wrong. He and his terrorist state

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RaiJolt2@reddit

And in video shooting the kneecaps of Palestinians trying to get food.

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saranowitz@reddit

I don’t agree with their decision to withhold aid, but I don’t see how it’s inconsistent with their stance that aid was being intercepted by Hamas.

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happyarchae@reddit

i don’t really understand the premise of it being “intercepted” by Hamas. they are the ruling party of Gaza. literally any time air is given to any country, it goes to the government. who else would be accepting the aid?

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saranowitz@reddit

It’s intended to be distributed immediately to the civilians, not gatekept by the government who can choose to withhold it for certain disloyal people, or give priority preference to their fighters.

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heskaroid@reddit

"yeah lemme uuuh stop giving food to all civilians because the sole government of Gaza might get their filthy arab hands on them"

thank you internet rando for whitewashing their misconduct

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saranowitz@reddit

I literally posted I don’t agree with their decision to withhold aid a comment above the one you replied to. But ok.

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heskaroid@reddit

No dude, what you did was preface that you "disagree" with them cutting off food, medical etc supplies to civilians followed by trying to rationalize *why* they would do such a thing under the lens of a strategical military approach. No such thing is carried out when the whole intent from the start, from 80 years of history, from when fucking Herzel himself opened his mouth, was simply genocide.

I know you're vehemently in support of this military base pretending to be a state but just to try to open your eyes on the fact that this white european settler project isn't the bastion of human rights and dignity westerners often like to preach. It got old and nobody is falling for it anymore.

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rollandownthestreet@reddit

The white European settler project that has 70% of its citizens people’s whose families never left the Middle East? Okay lol.

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No-Atmosphere-1566@reddit

Yes, lol, almost all Israeli jews are descendent from settlers in the last 100 years. It is very clearly a settler project from the very beginning, read some history dummy.

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rollandownthestreet@reddit

I know, google is hard to use. Living life with a disability must be so difficult for you.

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No-Atmosphere-1566@reddit

"Ben-Gurion noted that force may need to be used to ensure the Jewish right to settle in the area since "we can no longer tolerate that vast territories capable of absorbing tens of thousands of Jews should remain vacant, and that Jews cannot return to their homeland because the Arabs prefer that the place [the Negev] remains neither ours nor theirs."

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rollandownthestreet@reddit

I don’t understand what you’re trying to show with this quote. It’s at best tangential to my point

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No-Atmosphere-1566@reddit

In 1948, prior to the establishment of the State of Israel, the Jewish population numbered approximately 650,000, mostly of East European origin. The 1948 war resulted in the forced emigration of about 750,000 Palestinians from the territory and was followed by Jewish mass immigration. The truth is that you can be Shepardic or Mizrahi and still descendent from immigrants, as many Israelis have mixed ancestry.

In addition, you know that all Mizrahi and Shepardic jews in the middle east did not live in Palestine before the 1900s, they were very spread out and had to SETTLE in the British mandate.

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rollandownthestreet@reddit

Yes, exactly. In the same way that the Nakba displaced Palestinians out of what became Israel, around 600,000 Jews were forcibly exiled from Arab nationalist regimes into Israel.

Congrats, you have learned what I asked you to learn. Nice job.

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DanDan1993@reddit

Thank you internet rando for proving a lot of people lack reading comprehension skills. OP clearly said they don't agree with this decision, but you got your virtue signaling so we're good I guess

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

We really don't care what you think when you are the ones conducting the genocide

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SirStupidity@reddit

Or sell it for profit to support the arming and training of future militants.

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Spooky-skeleton@reddit

That's why the israelies killed 20,000 babies, because they'll be future militants like your politicians regularly said

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SirStupidity@reddit

You made babies into future militants, not surprising for someone carrying a Palestine flag, you guys loving putting AKs in to the arms of children.

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No-Atmosphere-1566@reddit

You think you haven't made babies into future militants by bombing the shit out of their homes?

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SirStupidity@reddit

I haven't bombed anyone's home.

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happyarchae@reddit

by who? it’s just a free for all?

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saranowitz@reddit

Yes. Have you ever seen the distribution sites? Or parachute drops?

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happyarchae@reddit

so then why is it surprising that Hamas gets it?

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saranowitz@reddit

It’s not surprising. That’s essentially why Israel wants to withhold it.

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iwantsomeofthis@reddit

i don’t really understand the premise of it being “intercepted” by Hamas. they are the ruling party of Gaza. literally any time aid is given to any country, it goes to the government. who else would be accepting the aid?

the claims are that they do more than "accept" the aid. They take it, and then sell it back to the people to generate revenue instead of distributing it for free as intended. That revenue is then used to fund the military actions that drive the need for the aid... creating a vicious cycle.

that being said... after doing some LIGHT searching i cant really find any reasonable sources to this claim... so it is dubious

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CwazyCanuck@reddit

They also claimed that Hamas stole enough aid that they have stockpiles. If they truly believe that, then withholding further aid only harms the civilian population, which Israel also knows.

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saranowitz@reddit

I think aid in this context includes fuel, that is also needed to run desalination plants, but could be co-opted for military use.

At the very least israel should allow food and water distribution by the Rafah crossing where distribution can be monitored.

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GothicGolem29@reddit

Israel can be causing targeting by imposing a blockade and Hamas also steal aid

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Crazyjackson13@reddit

Oh joy, more civilian casualties.

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empleadoEstatalBot@reddit

Israel launches fresh Gaza strikes as it vows to resume fighting 'in full force'

At least 13 people have reportedly been killed in air strikes across Gaza overnight, after Israel said it was resuming combat operations in the Palestinian territory.

Two civilians were killed and five others injured when an Israeli drone hit a tent near the al-Mawasi humanitarian zone, the Palestinian Wafa news agency reports, citing Red Crescent medics.

Israel's army said it had targeted what it called a Hamas military site from where the group was preparing to fire into Israel. Vessels controlled by Hamas were also hit, the army said.

It comes after Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said fighting would resume "in full force", adding: "This is just the beginning."

The bombing is not of the same scale as it was on Tuesday, when the Hamas-run health ministry says more than 400 people were killed - but it shows no let-up in Israel's fresh assault.

Tuesday's strikes were the heaviest since a fragile ceasefire and hostage exchange deal came into effect on 19 January, and came after Israel and Hamas failed to agree how to take it beyond an initial phase.

Why has Israel bombed Gaza and what next for ceasefire deal?

The deal involves three stages, and negotiations on the second stage were meant to have started six weeks ago - but this did not happen.

Under the proposed second phase, Israel would withdraw troops from Gaza - but Israel and the US instead pushed for an extension of the first phase, with more hostages being released in exchange for more Palestinian prisoners.

Netanyahu cast the resumption of fighting as a return to Israel's primary aims - to return the hostages and "get rid" of Hamas - but families of hostages have criticised the decision, saying it showed the government had given up on their loved ones.

Israel says Hamas is still holding 59 hostages, 24 of whom are believed to be alive.

Egypt, a mediator in talks, said the fresh strikes were a "blatant" violation of the ceasefire.

Wafa says a woman and child were killed in an air strike north of Khan Younis overnight into Wednesday, while four others were killed in a strike in Gaza City.

Gaza's health ministry has yet to give a death toll for the latest strikes.

Hamas has confirmed that several of its leaders were killed in Tuesday's strikes, including its de facto head of government, Essam a-Da'lees.

Meanwhile, Islamic Jihad - whose fighters participated in the 7 October 2023 attack which triggered the current conflict - said the prominent spokesman of its armed wing, known as Abu Hamza, was killed.

However, there were also many civilians, including dozens of children, thought to be among the dead.

Regional mediators are now said to be pushing Hamas to release some of the Israeli hostages it still holds in exchange for a de-escalation.

But Netanyahu has said that going forward, all ceasefire talks will take place "under fire".

The 7 October 2023 attack by Hamas on Israel saw about 1,200 people killed and the capturing of 251 hostages - 25 of whom were released alive during the first phase of the ceasefire.

Israel responded with a massive military offensive, which has killed more than 48,500 Palestinians, the Hamas-run health ministry says, as well as causing large-scale destruction to homes and infrastructure.

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