Really depends on the place you put it tbh.
I do metal detecting on ww1 & ww2 places, you would be surprised what the difference the type of soil can do to the same object.
Like, a complete bullet from the same year & material found in a pinetree forest will be in a way worst shape than one found in a oak tree forest.
That’s also kinda true, leaves interlocking as a flat plane is more likely to hold back water but in general forest ground is pretty good in taking in water and keeping it in at a relatively shallow depth
Debatable. Steel will still corrode and become weak due to saltwater exposure. If any gun was submerged in saltwater for an extended period, I wouldn't expect it to survive prolonged use.
Also worth noting that aluminum also corrodes in the air. It forms aluminum oxide which becomes a strong crystalline barrier on the outside of the aluminum. It doesn't flake or penetrate the aluminum, unlike iron oxide (rust). A similar effect happens with copper/bronze. This is why there are countless examples of bronze weapons in amazing shape from thousands of years ago, but most steel weapon examples are fractions of that age. Yes there are very old steel examples, but they come from stable/warm/dry climates.
Adding to this, the hard anodizing you see on aluminum firearms like this that gives it that matte black finish is exactly what that is, an aluminum oxide layer to protect it, but a thicker one than will form naturally on raw aluminum in the air. There is also a really neat, more effective alternative to hard a odizing called plasma electrolytic oxidation that forms a dramatically thicker oxide layer that can stand up to salt water quite a bit longer than regular old hard anodizing.
Adding on to your addition, aluminum oxide can also form large crystals that we commonly call sapphire. Most luxury and premium watches use sapphire glass for its extreme scratch resistance. Essentially transparent aluminum.
Really depends on the environment / type of soil it is found.
I do metal detecting on ww1&2 battlegrounds, I have a mortar round where the aluminum base is almost perfect. Same for some us coffe ration, you can still read the blue writings perfectly
It acts like a sacrificial electrode on a boat. Aluminum and zinc alloys in close proximity to iron in water will corrode first somewhat protecting the ferrous metal from galvanic corrosion.
Could have been a mild electric current on whatever surface it was sitting against underwater. Especially if the steel barrel was touching something grounded. This level of aluminum melt has to be advanced galvanic corrosion or gallium exposure
That’s a very touchy subject in Europe where people dig up WW1 and WW2 guns, claiming they’re fine to own because they’re such in bad shape, they’re obviously not dangerous anymore.
For 99% of Europe, this is invalid, the gun is still a gun unless it formally has been inspect and stamped deactivated by the national proofhouses throughout the EU.
For the USA, ATF specs demand at least three torch (NOT saw!) cuts across wide cross parts of the M16 receiver. This receiver doesn’t meet these criteria. In some way, you could look at the corrosion holes as being no different that of skeletonized competition super-light AR15 lowers.
The law is harsh but objectively, that’s the basis on what they’ll assess the situation. Of course then it’s up to the authority’s discretion. If a gun is actually completely rusted through they most likely will agree it’s effectively not a gun anymore.
It's interesting you mention that. Many years (over a decade?) ago, i saw the rusty front end of an STG44 on eBay. It was totally missing the rear half of the receiver from the magazine well back. It looked like it was literally blown up. It didn't otherwise look very different from this M16A1.
I suppose in that case, it would be missing most of the receiver and as such, it was safe for eBay. Still, a little piece of me wonders how "salvageable" some of the other parts might have been.
I imagine there are quite a few rusted and blown up guns out there. I'm almost surprised such pieces don't appear more frequently.
Yeah at that point it’s case by case that it has to be ruled, that STG receiver is honestly no more than scrap metal. The barrel might be an issue tho, usually in Europe once it has a chamber milled it becomes a regulated part, that’s why Lothar Walther sells us rifled blanks that we then cut the chambers in.
You are correct, there’s a ton of guns still waiting to be discovered, here in Europe we get every condition possible, we even have laws that facilitate registering discovered guns. 90% it’s grandparents would hide all kind of stuff (MP40s, Mausers, etc anything) right after WW2 for fear the war started again. 50 years down the line the descendant find the guns in the walls when remodeling or the attics. I’ve seen everything from pristine 1911A1 pistols still in factory grease that were airdropped, to the extremely common captured MP40 and Mauser rifles in ~OKAY-ish condition and not really properly stored, to literal rotten pieces of wood because the guy died in a puddle and got buried under artillery fire.
A hilarious listing I saw a few years ago: guy was selling a piece of wood that looked like tree bark. Literally a triangle of wood maybe the size of a forearm, he swore it was from a G98 WW1 rifle. Zooming in on the pictures he was right, you could notice the remains of a metallic disc, surrounded by rotten shit wood. Turns out it’s the stock unit disc on the butt stock of a WW1 Mauser lmao, he was really trying to sell what literally had become just rotten wood and rusted metal.
The one service rifle mod had a coated layer of shit on the iron sights, even the best upgraded upper/lowers. Every time I looked down sight I noticed it
Yeah... If it's a pretty '86 registered receiver it would be worth tig welding the aluminum back together and "Gat Of Theseus"-ing the fucker back together.
There’s the ship of Theseus automatic weapon right there. Restored the upper, repaired the lower, more new than old, but magic serial number makes it legal
If the rust wouldn't seize up the moving parts this could still fire a shot, all pressure bearing parts are there, but realistically it's just one lump of metal and rust...
Looks like galvanic corrosion, steel and aluminium in an electrolyte (seawater) that have a tug of war and aluminium lost this war. As aluminium is the less nobel material compared to steel.
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