Is there such a thing as non-attending Christians in the United States? People who are nominally Christian, baptized and don't claim to be atheists, but never go to Mass except maybe for Christmas and Easter?
Posted by Aoimoku91@reddit | AskAnAmerican | View on Reddit | 849 comments
In my country, 70 percent of people are formally Catholic, but of these one-third never go to Mass, one-third only on major festivities, and one-third regularly. From here and on the Internet, religiosity in the U.S. seems much more felt and practiced, or officially rejected, with no middle ground. Is this really the case?
DistinctJob7494@reddit
Me and my mom are currently like this, but only because we're trying to come back into our faith.
We're baptist and haven't gone to church much since we moved a few years ago. We're trying to figure out which church to go to that is more towards our old church's characteristics.
HansBjelke@reddit
The truth of this observation, I dont know, but Europeans have been making it for a while. In 1830 or so, Alexis de Tocqueville visited the US, and he wrote that religion is stronger here than in any country, a fact he attributed to the separation of Church and State.
That could be the case. By 1830, the US had undergone its second "Great Awakening" en route to its third, the result of a liberty given to preachers of different groups without a state religion as in the UK. Between 1790 and 1860, Methodists increased by a factor of 29 while the total population did by a factor of 8.
De Tocqueville also wrote (in a time when less than 2% of Americans were Catholic) that he expected Americans either to revert to "Rome" or to shirk Christianity altogether. As it happens, Catholics as a percentage of the population have not declined at the rate of mainline and evangelical Protestants, but Catholicism could be a sticker identity due to intersecting with more recent immigration.
A century after de Tocqueville, G.K. Chesterton visited the US and said she is a "nation with the soul of a church."
AgeOfReasonEnds31120@reddit
Yeah, America being "very religious" is a myth.
According to this poll, Greece, Italy, Portugal, Malta, and many countries in Eastern Europe see religion as important more than the USA.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/142727/religiosity-highest-world-poorest-nations.aspx
HansBjelke@reddit
I'd say "very religious" is relative based on where in Europe you're making your comparison. I'd feel safe to say that, proportionally, more Americans see religion as important than do the French.
I hear different numbers thrown out for Gen Z, so I don't know what to believe. It may depend on sample sizes, but speaking anecdotally, 50% atheist/agnostic seems high. I'm on a college campus, and that would be one out of every other person I meet. That could be true on the large scale, but at least it would seem to contrast my experience.
My understanding is that a large percentage of Gen Z is "none." Not affiliated with anything, be it an organized religion, spirituality, or professed atheism or agnosticism. I don't know, though. It'd be interesting looking at surveys, their samples, and if there's a difference when you include or exclude "none" as a choice.
AgeOfReasonEnds31120@reddit
From my experience as someone living in South Carolina, 1 in 2 actually seems about right. Idk where you live.
Also, it's actually true: https://religioninpublic.blog/2022/06/15/gen-z-and-religion-in-2021/
HansBjelke@reddit
I live in Indiana. Even then, I'm sure the number varies across the state from city to country and from one socioeconomic position to another. But at least in my experience at my university, which is a public one, one in two Gen Z being atheist/agnostic -- or more than 50% -- seems too large.
That link says only 17% of Gen Z identifies as atheist or agnostic. Another 31% identifies as "nothing in particular." I think there's a meaningful difference between those identifiers. I mean, given the choice, there's a reason 31% of people chose not to call themselves even agnostic.
What that reason is -- what those reasons are -- is another study.
I'm not saying every other person I asked on the street would say they're religious. But I don't think every other person would say they're atheist or agnostic. As this survey, anyway, suggests only 17% of Gen Z would.
I don't know if we actually disagree that much.
AgeOfReasonEnds31120@reddit
I'm sure almost all of that 50% wouldn't mind being called atheist.
HansBjelke@reddit
I don't know
AgeOfReasonEnds31120@reddit
I see a lot of Brits and Irish people online supporting Christianity and a return to tradition just like how Americans do, perhaps even more so.
Sorry for going off on a tangent. I'm not SUPER anti-religious, but I get sick and freaking tired of Europeans thinking America is crazy religious just because... they're America.
HansBjelke@reddit
No worries — I like the tangent, and this is something I've also seen.
I'd agree the US isn't crazy religious compared to Europe, but I think there is still something to be said for the myth. I think there is some kernel of truth to it.
Maybe not compared to Greece, but compared to the UK and France, I want to say the US is more religious. Then, there is probably Western European bias in thinking of UK and France over Greece when one says Europe.
When I said I don't know, I'm just not willing to make the assertion for them without the data. I'd be legitimately interested in seeing two simultaneous studies: one with the options atheist/agnostic, none, and other; another with only the options atheist/agnostic and other. I'd suspect more "nones" would be willing to call themselves agnostic than atheist. Then you'd have to break up those categories, but I don't know.
For full disclosure, I'm religious.
AgeOfReasonEnds31120@reddit
At the very most, I'd say the USA is more religious than most countries in Western Europe, with Italy and Portugal being the main exceptions that make it illogical to make fun of America for being more religious than other developed countries without also making fun of Portugal and especially Italy for that as well.
Besides, it's extremely difficult to measure how religious a country is.
Here's a poll that says Norway is 62% irreligious: https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/1i7l2iy/percentage_of_irreligious_people_in_europe_2019/
Here's another that says Norway is 10-14% irreligious: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_irreligion#/media/File:Countries_by_percentage_of_Unaffiliated%E2%80%93Pew_Research_2010.svg
oligarchyreps@reddit
Yes this is the most common Christian in the North east. We call them “C and E Christians”. Just Christmas and Easter. My family (strict Catholics for generations) quit ALL church in 1998 after my grandmother died. We don’t call ourselves atheists.
pgcooldad@reddit
Catholic - don't go to church at all. It was the same thing over and over every week. I just figured that all you have to do is - be good, and do good. That eliminates probably 99% of the need for church and religion.
FunProfessional570@reddit
Loads of Xmas and Easter only Catholics at my parish growing up.
ThisPostToBeDeleted@reddit
I have a friend like that, she felt that congregations can be judgemental and tries to have a personal relationship with god and see him in everything
Standard-Outcome9881@reddit
My parents are such people.
40pukeko@reddit
My parents called them PECs for Pentecost, Easter, and Christmas, but tbh I don't know anyone who goes for Pentecost.
No-Sun-6531@reddit
I’d say that’s most. Everybody claims they’re Christian but it’s more of a virtue signaling status club than anything people actually take seriously.
Miserable_Smoke@reddit
You just described most of the Christians in this country.
ommnian@reddit
Maybe they go for Xmas or Easter too. Especially if they're at/with religious family.
smellslikebadussy@reddit
Please, Jack, don't tell me you're one of those convenient Catholics who only goes to church every Sunday!
Miserable_Smoke@reddit
Yeah, theres a lot of overlap there with until mom dies.
ommnian@reddit
Indeed . We went with hubby's family for a couple of years. I quit when I had my second (a newborn was a great excuse...), and never went back.
Cromasters@reddit
My Dad always stayed home on Sundays while we went to church. He told us he didn't have to go anymore because he graduated from a Catholic highschool.
As a Dad myself now...part of me wishes I had stayed religious so that I too could have a break every Sunday morning! 😅
Suppafly@reddit
I tell my kids that I used to go every day when I was in catholic grade school so I'm all caught up. I also tell them I ate lots of vegetables when I was kid so I don't have to now.
ommnian@reddit
Spoiler - you don't have to go.
skua10@reddit
That's not what he's saying. He doesn't go but neither does his family, so he doesn't get a quiet house during church
Mellema@reddit
I think he is implying a break from his kids when they go to church and he doesn't.
Prestigious_Egg_1989@reddit
At the church I went to those folks were called "Creasters". Never saw em any other time of year.
diggadiggadigga@reddit
With an uptake in religious participation when they are raising their kids
Ceorl_Lounge@reddit
Gotta share the trauma sometime.
Fringelunaticman@reddit
Idk, man. I am a hard athiest, and if I had children, I would send them to a Catholic school. Preferably the one I went to. I would also raise them to be aware of the spiritual and religion. I'd even go as far as not denigrating religion(which I despise) while they were young.
Religion and spirituality are a large part of the human condition even if I don't subscribe to it. And to remove that aspect of life from a child seems to me like you'd be taking away from their life. And if they are properly educated, they can make their own decisions about religion when they become adults.
Ceorl_Lounge@reddit
They're welcome to make the decision as adults, but I want nothing to do with Church. My money and my time are better spent elsewhere.
JerichoMassey@reddit
I've often wondered what the children of liberal parents do to rebel. Go To Church might be the funniest option.
Janeiac1@reddit
The Beatles George Harrison's son famously rebelled by asking to be sent to a military school.
ColossusOfChoads@reddit
Get into certain European heavy metal bands that get a little too 'edgy.'
Ceorl_Lounge@reddit
Beat the hell out of meth.
Dad3mass@reddit
They turn into Stephen Miller. His family is apparently very liberal.
JonnyBox@reddit
As long as it's a Jesuit type school, absolutely. As long as you teach my kid real science, I'm good with him learning about Christianity and religion from equally educated seminarians.
What I won't do is send him to some Protestant jackass factory that will try to tell him that the earth is 5000 years old.
Fringelunaticman@reddit
The catholic school I went to want Jesuit but they taught secular facts and religion more as metaphor and as a way to live a good life. Honestly, as far as religion went, we were told 2 things. The golden rule and the sermon on the mount were the 2 most important things Jesus taught. Ironically, they are the most ignored by Christians today
JosephPatrick1910@reddit
You have no data on what most Christians do, you only have anecdotal information based on your own experiences with other Christians, so your statement is either questionable or simply false
Fringelunaticman@reddit
Nah, man, I just pay attention to who they vote for and what policies the people they support want. Ypu know they want the 10 commandments in school but they don't want to feed the kids lunch at school even though Jesus says to suffer the little children. And don't say it's all Christians since the vast majority vote for the republican party. And their representatives in Congress and Statehouses in republican states that are constantly doing this.
Jesus never said to welcome the foreigner to your land but only if he's legal. No, he said, "Welcome the foreigner," with no qualifications.
And I am sure you'll come out again and say it's not all Christians but when 94% of evangelicals vote republican, it seems pretty clear my anecdotal information isn't actually anecdotal. It's freaking nationwide led by an orange monster who never stepped foot in church.
OscarGrey@reddit
The funny thing is that rich Evangelicals rarely send their kids to those lol. Ultraconservative Protestant schools are a scam for the middle class.
Tsquare43@reddit
Can confirm, went to a Jesuit HS. They were rigorous with science, math, etc. I hate Flannery O'Connor because Fr. McGowan made us read that all the time.
Signal-Weight8300@reddit
I teach science, including biology, in a Catholic high school. We absolutely teach things like evolution in depth and how the real Big Bang theory posits that the universe was formed around 14 billion years ago. Ironically, it was Catholic priest Georges Lemaître who developed the Big Bang theory. Add in Copernicus, who developed the heliocentric model of the solar system. The history isn't clear about if he was a priest or just a very religious person.
anglerfishtacos@reddit
Hard agree. The Jesuit school in my area is boys only, but consistently had the most National Merit Scholars and other accolades. The all-girl equivalent with similar achievements was the school I went to, which was run by the Dominicans. In contrast to other divisions of Catholicism, the Dominicans and Jesuits are very into being academic about your religious beliefs. Evolution was absolutely a part of the curriculum and taught as scientific fact.
For anyone doubting that a Catholic school could be capable of teaching religion itself as anything other than blind faith, here’s a small sampling of some of what I learned in my theology classes: - King David was a bad dude. What happened with Bathsheba was not affair between equals but a rape. He is glorified and held up as an example today because of his conversion and his dedication it later in life to God, but he did some pretty terrible things. Also, his relationship with Jonathan was, interesting. - A full on historical discussion of geopolitical tensions and the role it played in the crucifixion. - Think of a small town in your area full of poor, uneducated folk. A town where if you heard that the person was from there, you’d automatically make certain assumptions about their background, how they grew up, and their level of intelligence. In the time of the New Testament, that was Galilee. Of course people didn’t think Jesus was anything legitimate. He was from Galilee. - the story of the good Samaritan was revolutionary because Samaritans were not thought to be good people. Most people know that. However, the rabbi and other people that passed up the man beaten alongside the road, were not bad people or doing anything other than what their religion had taught them. if you were beaten up on the side of the road, then you clearly had done something in your life that was bad in the eyes of God and this was your punishment. For the rabbi or other folks who passed him up to associate with that person would be to make yourself unclean. That entire story was a direct contradiction to the law of Moses. Which is why it freaks people out then. - the story of Jesus cursing the fig tree is about people who look and present outwardly signs that they are godly, but in their actions are not actually spiritual. - the “love is patient, love is kind” deal is not romantic and heartwarming, but Paul yelling at the Corinthians for claiming to love but not actually doing it. - we also did a fair amount of study of philosophy, including Nietsche’s God is dead and the concept of the ubermensch and how people use religion as a method of gaining power. - our senior year religion teacher would use passages from a book called “God Has No Religion” as the prayer to start class, openly joked that she had the classroom near offices so the admin could keep an eye on her, and actively encouraged us to go to services for other religions like the Quakers, UUs, Buddhists, etc. - the da Vinci code was published while I was in high school. Our teachers actively encouraged us to read it if we wanted to on the basis that if our faith collapsed because of a fiction book, then it never was that strong to begin with, and we should learn something from that.
I fully credit my time in that school, of course, as leading to my ultimate walking away from the Catholic Church, but also as to why still is an adult. I read a lot of religious books. Religion and the Bible is fascinating when you read it and study it the same way you would read Greek mythology.
InevitableRhubarb232@reddit
I feel the same way. Refusing exposure to or bashing religion is no less propaganda.
Suppafly@reddit
I sent my kids to catholic grade school, because even with wasting part of the day on religious class, catholic grade school students tend to be well ahead of their peers academically and I care about academics.
alphafox823@reddit
Man I could not disagree more
I would certainly want to teach them the value myths have, as far as insights into human nature and moral development goes, but I would teach them specifically that no religions are true so that they are less likely to be lured in by heaven/hell fearmongering.
When we handle the topic of myths, Christian stories would be put alongside the Ancient Greek myths and American civic history myths (first thanksgiving, George Washington and the cherry tree, William Penn and the Quakers/sword, etc)
Hopefully teaching them that these stories contain truth but that they’re not true, specifically in a historical/metaphysical way, can give them an appreciation for the humanities and immunize them to religious manipulation to some degree.
Fringelunaticman@reddit
I never said I wouldn't share my opinion, I just won't denigrate religion in their presence. As a hard athiest, I believe all religions are based on mythology and hold no truth other than to be kind, which we as a social species already have.
I, however, don't want my kid to miss out on being taught about religion and spirituality by someone who isn't completely biased against it
alphafox823@reddit
Okay fair enough. Maybe we’re not so dissimilar. I am just more worried about the fear tactics that might be used on them so I would want to make them specifically aware of that.
Fringelunaticman@reddit
I would definitely make sure they understood that's not believing in something others believe in doesn't mean they're right. And that the idea of hell doesn't make sense if God is ever loving.
I would be all to happy to point out the contradictions in the belief systems
Suitable-Economy-346@reddit
Why not send them to a different religious school than you went to then they could have a different experience? That'd probably do your kid (and you) much better than them having the exact same experiences that you did. You won't be able to question or think critically, neither will the child, about what they're being taught because you'll think what they're experiencing is completely normal. Seems really short-sighted to go about it the way you did expecting your kid to come out as amazing and exceptional as you think you are.
Fringelunaticman@reddit
Because that school, while Catholic, is secular in their education. Plus, I know I was extremely well educated at that school when I got to college and was extremely ahead of my peers in what I was taught.
Plus, we were taught about the history of the religion in that school as opposed to dogma. This allowed us to challenge orthodoxy(an example was in 1992. Our school taught evolution was compatible with the bible since Genesis is meant as a metaphor, which the pope finally admitted to around 2016).
Finally, that school, and every school is different than they were 30 years ago. So will the experiences.
ilovjedi@reddit
I feel the similarly. I drag my little children to a UU Church every Sunday. We’re culturally Christian (my great grandpa made my grandpa become a minister) but my mom is not religious at all. My husband is an atheist, his mother was raised Catholic and that was a bad experience. But religious practice seems to essential to being human. So Unitarian Universalism it is.
It seems like no one else goes to church on Sundays.
Also OP should be aware that the default in the US is probably some flavor of Protestant. Though Catholicism is kind of having a moment of popularity with Joe Biden being the second catholic president and JD Vance the current VP being catholic as well. And oddly enough despite Catholics being persecuted not too long ago all the Supreme Court justices are Catholic or Jewish. I’m not sure about Justice Jackson but her husband is Jewish and I think her children are.
BALLSonBACKWARDS@reddit
This is a cycle I’m so happy I broke with my children… I resisted sharing my trauma with my kiddos like thst.
InevitableRhubarb232@reddit
Exposing kids to religion isn’t trauma. We let my son go w grandma and even be an altar server for a bit when he wanted to (grew out of it during covid). I’d let him go to a synagogue or mosque or temple as well if he wanted to or had someone to go with. He can make his own decisions and understanding why others make theirs can be helpful in having productive social relationships in adulthood.
Religion is hardly the only propaganda parents push on their kids. Most people don’t call any of the things they agree with propaganda though.
undreamedgore@reddit
What trauma? Unless you think every church is either a pedo hangout or fire and brimstone type.
bmadisonthrowaway@reddit
I would agree. Also, to an extent, "religious" between their wedding and their last child's confirmation.
I'm an atheist, have no interest in practicing any religion, and my parents are completely fine with my lack of interest in even paying lip service to it. Now that I have a kid, and he is old enough to start asking the Big Questions, I have taken him to church a handful of times just to expose him to it.
And that's not even relating to the pressure to "be religious" because it gets your kid a discount to private school.
Miserable_Smoke@reddit
That's honorable of you. My parent raised us without religion, but encouraged us to find our own thing. Better he should be exposed to it with you around. If you're going to smoke, do it here at home where it's safe.
I've got an Indian friend. His kids go to Catholic school cause it's the cheapest of the privates.
Sheetz_Wawa_Market32@reddit
Ah, the old “no atheists in foxholes (and on deathbeds)” canard! That’s largely a myth.
Miserable_Smoke@reddit
I didn't say that. I wasn't talking about atheists, I was talking about the waveringly agnostic. Two different groups of people there.
Sheetz_Wawa_Market32@reddit
Yes, of course.
Still, I haven’t heard any stories of nominal Christians calling out to God on the deathbeds, either.
Miserable_Smoke@reddit
sheug I've never worked hospice. Going off what makes sense.
Sheetz_Wawa_Market32@reddit
In the final hours and minutes, people will go back to what is close to them. Those who have been religious all or most of their lives will often invoke religion. Those for whom religion was never a central part of their lives generally don’t.
Miserable_Smoke@reddit
Where are you getting this from?
Sheetz_Wawa_Market32@reddit
Life experience, I guess.
Miserable_Smoke@reddit
That's a nice way of saying "I'm just pulling it out of my ass". Sounds like you've never worked hospice either. When you listen to a LOT of people during their dying moments (at least 1000 for a good sample size, please), or have otherwise done a whole bunch of research, come back and update please.
Sheetz_Wawa_Market32@reddit
You don’t have to talk to me at all. 🤦 What’s your experience with all that?
Miserable_Smoke@reddit
I mistakenly thought I was talking to an intelligent person.
Sheetz_Wawa_Market32@reddit
Wow. What a brilliantly crafted ad hominem argument! 🤣
TheGrog@reddit
100% made up.
Miserable_Smoke@reddit
Also, you seem to be overestimating the people with no religion whatsoever. Like, no fear that there's a god. Yes, again, people with absolutely no religion probably aren't reaching for it, what about all (most of the people in the country) people?
Sheetz_Wawa_Market32@reddit
I don’t think it’s likely that people who haven’t practiced their nominal religion at all for decades (but never bothered to call themselves irreligious or atheist) will come back to the religions of their childhood in their final moments. Or still live in fear of a possibly existing god.
Of course, there’s a lot in between.
Aoimoku91@reddit (OP)
Damn Internet-tunnel vision, always twisting real life.
unique2alreadytakn@reddit
That and of course the proud dedicated ones are often the loudest. In my opinion the real christians are usually quietly living that life without needing to shout.
BuildNuyTheUrbanGuy@reddit
Anyone who declares themselves a "Christian" should be considered a "real" Christian. Otherwise, there are no "real" Christians because everyone would have a different opinion. Particularly the fundamentalists.
MyUsername2459@reddit
Christianity decided over 1600 years ago who meets the doctrinal standards of Christianity.
Christianity is not a "believe whatever you want as long as you call yourself Christian" or "believe whatever you want as long as you say it comes from the Bible or mention Jesus" religion. It has actual doctrines and beliefs that are required.
Calm-Medicine-3992@reddit
Yeah, Catholics decided how to consolidate power then so not the best example.
MyUsername2459@reddit
This theology came around 700 years before the Roman Catholic Church was created in 1054 during the Great Schism.
I'm talking about Nicene theology from the pre-schism Great Church, not anything created by the Roman Magisterium, Papacy, or the Church in Rome in any way.
Nejfelt@reddit
A bunch of bishops decided what Christianity was then. And some went along with that, and others didn't.
And then it kept branching off from there.
The different sects of Christianity of 1600 years ago are very different from any denominations of today. There's never been one Christianity.
MyUsername2459@reddit
The heirs to the Apostles, given that authority by Christ, decided that. Everyone went along with it, because those who didn't, weren't Christian.
Also, prior to the 451 and Oriental Orthodoxy breaking off over the Council of Chalcedon there really was only one Christianity, and the vast majority of Christianity was still united as one Church until the Great Schism of 1054.
BuildNuyTheUrbanGuy@reddit
Which change and have been fought over since then.
MyUsername2459@reddit
Not really.
The standards I'm talking about, basic Nicene theology codified in the 4th century, are adhered to by almost all denominations of Christianity.
Only Jehovah's Witnesses (which, technically speaking don't claim to be Christian), and Mormons (who most Christians don't consider Christian) don't hold to Nicene theology of the major denominations.
For all the huge fights and schisms in Christianity, such as the Great Schism of 1054 and the Protestant Reformation, they all did agree on the core elements of Christian theology. It wasn't until you got to the 19th century Restorationist movement in America that you got a couple of groups that completely disregarded basic Christian theology.
RetreadRoadRocket@reddit
Nope, that's not how anything works. You can declare yourself a musician, but if you cannot play an instrument, carry a tune, or read music, are you one?
Mathew 7:16-23 offers an explanation:
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%207%3A16-23&version=KJV
Nejfelt@reddit
Not all Christians use the same Bible or interpret it the same way.
I know you will disagree but Jehovahs and Mormons ARE Christians.
Also, some fundamentalists consider Catholics non-Christian.
Really, it does come down to what the individual declares themselves to be, since most religion is a personal choice, and most religions are not bound by any restrictions to join.
But feel free to identify yourself as a "real" Christian because you choose to bound yourself to the Nicene Creed. Just remember there are other "real" Christians who think you are the fake one.
RetreadRoadRocket@reddit
Catholic Bible:
https://bible.usccb.org/bible/matthew/7
Mormon bible:
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/nt/matt/7?lang=eng
ESV:
https://www.esv.org/Matthew+7/
NIV:
https://www.biblica.com/bible/niv/matthew/7/
They all say the same thing about it. As to the nicene creed, nah, too many unbiblical things in there, lol.
While I'm far from perfect no one who has known me would say I was a fake. That aside, why would I care what they, or you for that matter, think of my Christianity? I mean, there's only one whose opinion matters on that and if I cared what everyone else thought I wouldn't have lasted a week, lol.
kwiztas@reddit
Why are they Christian?
ColossusOfChoads@reddit
Because they say they are.
BuildNuyTheUrbanGuy@reddit
Yes. Many musicians can't play instruments, read music, or carry a tune. They can produce music without any of that.
ColossusOfChoads@reddit
If you can hum, you can play the kazoo!
RetreadRoadRocket@reddit
Wow, please explain how that works.
BuildNuyTheUrbanGuy@reddit
You can make millions of dollars making music on computers... you don't have to know how to play a piano to create a piano loop for a song. You don't have to sing on it either. Then, you have all the electronic/techno/dubstep genres.
RetreadRoadRocket@reddit
Except that you still have to be able to carry a tune, as in, have a musical understanding of complex rhythm, or you just make gibberish that doesn't sound like music to anyone. Oh, and making money has nothing to do with being a musician.
BuildNuyTheUrbanGuy@reddit
You don't have to have an understanding of complex rhythm to be a musician. Do 8 year old clarinet players have a musical understanding of complex rhythm? Or do they just play at the school recital?
RetreadRoadRocket@reddit
An 8 year old clarinet player is playing an instrument and reading sheet music in order to play at the recital. I repeat the question, in an expanded explanation format: If you claim to be a musician yet cannot play an instrument, carry a tune (sing, understand rhythm), or read or write music, are you one?
Your 8 year old example can play clarinet and read sheet music, so what are they?
Current_Poster@reddit
Composers, I suppose.
RetreadRoadRocket@reddit
Composers generally can read and write music, if they can't then they can carry a tune because they write their music by ear, playing and/or singing it to make it sound right as they write their songs.
Patient_Number_4922@reddit
No one cares what biblegateway-whatever thinks.
RetreadRoadRocket@reddit
It's a link to Mathew 7:16-23 KJV translation, and it matters because it is what the Bible says about identifying Christians, which is actually the only thinking that matters on the subject, lol.
Calm-Medicine-3992@reddit
Yeah, one does not get to simply declare they are part of a group and join said group...that isn't how groups work.
historyhill@reddit
Considered by whom, though? By the government, or by sociologists? Sure! By other Christians though? No, I think Christianity requires some basic shared beliefs beyond merely self-identification, that's why the term "heretic" exists. Groups deserve the right to decide who is "in" and who is "out," and I don't see it as a problem that some of those groups will disagree about the terminology.
pfcgos@reddit
I generally agree that shared beliefs are needed, but if I have one gripe on the topic, it's about how quickly Christians resort to "they're not a real Christian" any time a Bible thumper is called out for saying or doing something hateful.
Too often, it feels as though it gets used to avoid having to confront negative actions by members of the Christian faith.
Loud_Insect_7119@reddit
This is literally the only way I ever see it used, tbh. I'm sure in some lofty academic and/or religious circles, there are legitimate scholarly debates about what are the necessary elements of Christianity and blah blah blah.
I am not Christian, and despite having an above-average interest in religion and theology, I also do not care enough to seek out those debates. So for me, if you call yourself a Christian, and especially if you belong to a mainstream denomination that is widely considered Christian, then I'm going to consider you Christian.
Like yeah, I know Jesus said to love and help the poor and a lot of modern Christians obviously don't, or whatever. But literally every world religion is full of people who don't follow its precepts, lol. That's just what happens when your religion encompasses millions or billions of people.
ColossusOfChoads@reddit
First and foremost would be self-identification. Unless it's some kind of postmodern exercise in trolling (like many of the satanist groups kind of are), you gotta go with what they say they are, no matter how weird.
Loud_Insect_7119@reddit
lmao completely agreed, but I do think there is an argument for a line to be drawn. Like if you identify as Christian but you don't believe that Jesus died for humanity's sins, are you Christian? That is a basic theological underpinning of the religion, after all.
I personally would still probably say yes, tbh, but I tend to approach religion from a more sociological perspective, lol.
historyhill@reddit
That's a very good gripe, tbh. To some degree, it's baked into the faith itself: I can think of several verses off the top of my head that warn of people who call themselves Christian but are not. Now, this is both a warning to the people themselves ("hey, check yourselves because you think you're alright with Me and you're not") and also a way for Christians to distance themselves from other Christians acting in bad faith.
That said, yes, it's entirely too common. I'm a Christian and my metric is usually thus: first, do you believe what's summarized in the ancient creeds? I think that's a really good bare minimum to hold to (although it does preclude Mormons and JWs). After that, I'm more inclined to use public "fruits of the Spirit" (love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control) over perfect doctrine. And even then, I'm not inclined to say that the average person who doesn't display that definitely isn't but it causes me to seriously question their spiritual standing. I'll usually only say someone's definitely not if they're a prominent leader who should know better and/or is leading people towards hatred and strife.
pfcgos@reddit
Thank you for this response. It's incredibly frustrating to see so many brush off bad behavior by their fellow Christians by declaring them "not a true Christian" and then have them argue that since that person isn't a true Christian they don't have to do anything to address the negative actions of those within the church who cause harm. So I appreciate your reasoned and understanding response.
I would like to argue that, especially when it comes to church leadership who are causing harm, the not a true Christian thing doesn't absolve Christianity from needing to address those people anyway. Especially if it's a church leader, they may not be a "true Christian", but they have a congregation to whom they are preaching, and the harm they do is multiplied by virtue of that congregation. Instead of one hateful person, Greg Locke has created hundreds, if not thousands.
historyhill@reddit
This is a very real concern, honestly. While I am happily Protestant for a number of theological reasons, I will concede that the fracturing of the Church limits capacity to address false teachers. I can say that Greg Locke and Doug Wilson and others are dangerously wrong and are actively hurting people—and they are—but I lack the ability to censure them in any way because they are in a denomination that they either created or supports them so there's no one to whom I can appeal. That doesn't mean we shouldn't call them out loudly and often, I just recognize that my voice (especially as a laywoman with no real sway or online presence) can only go so far unfortunately.
pfcgos@reddit
That's fair. Thanks again for your thoughts and responses. It's genuinely nice to have this conversation without deflection or "I'm not my brother's keeper" responses.
BuildNuyTheUrbanGuy@reddit
By non Christians mostly.
unique2alreadytakn@reddit
Most smart people dont have to tell you they are smart. Just sayin
BuildNuyTheUrbanGuy@reddit
Right, but almost everyone has formal education.
unique2alreadytakn@reddit
Some people just let you know the are dumb by shouting
MyUsername2459@reddit
Despite what you may see in the media, the US isn't full of fundamentalists or fanatics when it comes to Christianity
While about 65% of people in the US consider themselves Christian, and roughly 30% consider themselves to be non-religious, that 60% isn't like what you'd think from the internet and TV.
Roughly 25% of people in the US, less than half of American Christians, would be considered Evangelical Protestants, the group most commonly associated with fundamentalism.
Fundamentalists get a lot of media attention because their outrageous statements get headlines, and because they've worked hard for about half a century to gain political power. They don't reflect the beliefs of the majority of Americans, or even the majority of American Christians.
WARitter@reddit
Also a lot of self described Evangelical Protestants aren’t particularly religiously observant and many of their -theological- opinions are fairly typical (nominal, heterodox Christianity that doesn’t really believe in most Christian doctrines like the Trinity or the incarnation). But -politically- their beliefs are both much stronger and much more extreme, and they couch these politics in religious terms.
Mind you that larger evangelical bucket definitely includes young earth creationists and other kinds of very fervent theological conservatism but it isn’t necessarily even the majority of Evangelicals.
trinite0@reddit
Yes, for a large proportion of people, the term "Evangelical" is more of a political identity than a religious identity.
I was raised in Evangelical churches, and I currently attend a church that broadly fits that definition theologically. But neither my current church nor my parents' church uses the label "Evangelical" anymore. It has too much political baggage.
InevitableRhubarb232@reddit
I feel like a lot of evangelical (which to me means things like full-time youth pastors, speaking in tongues, altar calls, and lots of proselytizing) churches have switched (even since the late 90s) to terms like “non-denominational” which can simply mean they have no higher organizational structure than the church itself / make their own rules, but would fall under the evangelical umbrella based on their beliefs and actions.
InevitableRhubarb232@reddit
And of those evangelicals there really are a lot who are just out there loving Jesus and going to Costco.
It’s a small % of that % who are complete fucking whack jobs and even the “normal” fundamentals (while they may have some similar beliefs) choose not to act in that manner and look down on those who do those things. There is a lot of “love the sinner, hate the sin” in evangelicals vs the “hate and hell and yelling” that those in the media’s eye portray.
Calm-Medicine-3992@reddit
If you don't already, think of the US as something like the EU you're also causing the twisting. How useful would it be to ask if Catholics in the EU are like that? I'd assume it's different in different countries/regions just like it's different in different US states.
Where I'm from, Catholics are rare so pretty much anyone identifying as a Catholic is a practicing Catholic. In places where the numbers look like your country, there are a lot of 'cultural Catholics' that don't practice Catholicism.
undreamedgore@reddit
For a lot of people religion is their justification for disliking things that make them uncomfortable. Like gay people, and so on. It's hard to justify hating them just becuase they exist, but they do hate them. Normally because it makes them uncomfortable, is considered other to their world view and breaks away from a more uniform identity of a people. Hard to see someone as "like you" when they don't fit into your perceived identity or the structure you make for those around you. It generates heros and pariahs.
Religion is used because, "it doesn't align with my ideal for society" is a mouthful, more complex, and true.
Calm-Medicine-3992@reddit
Nah, there are a lot of 'Christians' that are in church every week but only nominally believe too. Somewhere in the mix there are probably 'real' ones too with varying levels of attendance.
djninjacat11649@reddit
A lot of people I’ve met who are religious and not like, the super duper religious types where is is a major and obvious part of their identity, are generally more in the camp of being religious in the sense they believe there is a god and an afterlife, though how it all fits together and the exact nature is not something they are sure of or ever really able to be sure of, with a side of “my beliefs are mine, and yours are yours, they need not be an obstacle to being friends” though maybe my friends and the people I know are just chill
cikanman@reddit
Sadly this is far too true
Miserable_Smoke@reddit
Why sadly?
cikanman@reddit
Americans treat religion much like many things in their life. No commitment
50% divorce rate Zero. Interest in the nuclear family.
Patient_Number_4922@reddit
It’s embarrassing for people to cite 50% divorce rate. It was started by someone who didn’t understand math/statistics at all.
panic_bread@reddit
People should not be committed to religion. It’s dangerous.
apri08101989@reddit
You could say that about literally anything. Commitment isn't inherently dangerous, no matter what it's toward
yourlittlebirdie@reddit
The divorce rate is not 50%. That’s a myth based on someone not understanding how statistics work.
Miserable_Smoke@reddit
I wish they'd treat religion more like old yeller. I'm alright with everyone pretending to make mama happy though.
MamaMoosicorn@reddit
There’s a lot that grew up in the church and left due to the hypocrisy in the church (see MAGA). I was thinking about looking for a church again, but then the election cycle ramped up AMA I remembered why I stay tf away. I will never step foot in a church again.
‘The greatest single cause of atheism in the world today is Christians who acknowledge Jesus with their lips and walk out the door and deny Him by their lifestyle. That is what an unbelieving world simply finds unbelievable.’ — Brennan Manning
Miserable_Smoke@reddit
The greatest cause of atheism in the world today is the fact that God doesn't exist.
23haveblue@reddit
Not sure that they are atheists, I'd say most of them are moralistic therapeutic deists
smarterthanyoda@reddit
I think that's most Christians anywhere in the world. Vatican City might be an exception.
Miserable_Smoke@reddit
Korea would definitely be another exception. Christianity is also growing a lot in other places in Asia, as well as in Africa.
jimbelk@reddit
Here are some relevant Gallup results. About 75% of Americans identify as religious (with 66% being Catholic, Protestant, or other Christian), and 41% of Americans report attending a church or synagogue at least once a month. What this means is that roughly 45% of Americans who identify as religious do not regularly attend services.
magheetah@reddit
I’m technically Catholic but agnostic more realistically. I don’t believe in a single god that only cares about humans. If there is a god, he is more interested in the universe as a whole.
I’m only Catholic because our kids go to school at one, I was raised as one, my wife and her family are Catholic as well, etc. I never had a bad experience being raised catholic, if anything it weeded out a lot of the bad kids. Most of us were all the same growing up. Religion class was an easy A and that was about it. It was pretty much a free study hall everyday.
No one was super religious except a few. Most were just normal kids doing normal stuff.
ChannellingR_Swanson@reddit
I would honestly bet that the 41% number is high due to people being embarrassed and saying they go to church every month when it’s really just major events like Easter if even that.
PaleDreamer_1969@reddit
I’ve heard the term CEO Christians, (Christmas and Easter Only)
CreativeRiddle@reddit
We used to call it being a submarine Catholic because you popped up for holidays.
QUHistoryHarlot@reddit
My dad's initials are CEF and when we were growing up he went to church on Christmas, Easter, and Funerals. And yes, when he became a deacon at his church that story was told.
StoneColdSkibidi@reddit
The sight of adult deacons never fails to give me a good chuckle whenever I attend church, and it's even funnier now that I'm atheist. It's like seeing a grown man eternally stuck at white belt in karate learning with 6 year olds.
QUHistoryHarlot@reddit
That’s really mean. Also, deacons mean different things in different denominations. My dad was a leader in his church and it was something he took seriously. You don’t have to believe in God but you can at least respect the people who do.
StoneColdSkibidi@reddit
No, it's not really and I'll explain If you saw how hard-line the Coptic orthodox church I was raised in is you'd understand the humour of it.
1 or 2 adult priests in all black robes, a dozen or so deacon children fully dressed in white robes with a couple of bearded men, bigger than the priests, also in white like the kids. Rinse and repeat for 15 years until finally, one day one of the adult deacons is in all black all of a sudden. I was genuinely happy for them when they were anointed as priests. The joke still stands to this day with a school friend of mjne who recently jumped up to black belt himself joined in on the running gag hahaha Not sure what church you're from but I hope that explains. Hope it gives you a chuckle too.
church + joke ≠ offensive to everyone
Quiet_Stranger_5622@reddit
Quick question - how or why did he become a deacon if he went to church so rarely?
GothicGingerbread@reddit
I'm not the commenter, but I suspect that the person's father started attending church more frequently before becoming a deacon. It happens.
A friend of mine was agnostic for many years, but began regularly attending church when his kids were (I think) in middle school because they and his wife were quite involved in their church. Then he started meeting with a priest for spiritual guidance. Then he started thinking about becoming a deacon. Then he decided that he no longer wanted to be a lawyer (he was a very successful one – a partner at a very large firm) because he wanted to attend seminary. Now he's a priest in the Episcopal Church.
Quiet_Stranger_5622@reddit
What a rollercoaster!
QUHistoryHarlot@reddit
He started going back to church and became active in said church.
Chemical-Mix-6206@reddit
My dad called them twice a year Catholics - you only see them at Christmas & Easter. We were there for holy days, stations of the cross and all, so they really bugged him. I'm glad he died before the truth started coming out about the pedo priests. That would have broken his heart.
Temporary_Muscle_165@reddit
They took the line suffer the little children to come unto me a bit wrong.
vulkoriscoming@reddit
I am with you. Growing up we did them all as well. Once out of the house, I became 3x a year Catholic, Christmas, Easter, and Ash Wednesday. The last one is because my wife really likes Ash Wednesday
FunnyBunny1313@reddit
Hahahahahhahaha I just died laughing at this 🤣
EntrepreneurNo4138@reddit
Christenings! Don’t you dare forget those!! 🤣
Xx_Silly_Guy_xX@reddit
It’s the only authentic way to be American catholic
parker9832@reddit
Chreasters
tonyrocks922@reddit
A priest I used to be neighbors with talked about "A&P Catholics", people who only show up on Ash Wednesday and Palm Sunday so their friends and neighbors think they go to charge by displaying the ashes and having the palm fronds.
DynamiteWitLaserBeam@reddit
Gotta get the holy smudge
blue_eyes2483@reddit
My old boss called them Chreasters, I like CEO better.
Fun-Yellow-6576@reddit
My friend says she’s a “Cafeteria Catholic” she picks and chooses which beliefs/rules to follow.
lsbnyellowsourfruit@reddit
That's just every person in every religion though
Queasy_Animator_8376@reddit
Christianity ala carte.
kjb76@reddit
That’s me. I can’t remember the last time I went to church but I put my daughter in CCD and she did her communion. She refused to go any further and I was ok with that. She can always be confirmed as an adult if she chooses.
But I still cross myself and pray sometimes and I like to wear my Virgin Mary medal because she’s my patron saint. My very Catholic abuela lived with us growing up and she was very pious so old Catholic habits die hard.
LongjumpingStudy3356@reddit
I like that... more free thinking
But of course the dogma says that's not allowed
khak_attack@reddit
People used to joke I was a Chreaster... nah I'm just an Easter lol. I only make sure to go on the most important day of the year.
Queasy_Animator_8376@reddit
I'm a C & E man.
Lucky-Royal-6156@reddit
Im Christian abd dont go to cuhtch on Christmas only on sunadays and Wednesdays
Awdayshus@reddit
My dad always called them "the poinsettias and the Easter lilies" since they only showed up when those flowers were in church
lilspark112@reddit
Yup “Easter lilies” is what I heard growing up lol
YellojD@reddit
Semi annual Catholics is what they were called when I was a kid, obvs growing up Catholic.
InevitableRhubarb232@reddit
My family (basically) called them heathens 😂
round_a_squared@reddit
Yeah "Christmas and Easter Christians" is a long standing phrase here in the US
NeverRarelySometimes@reddit
We pronounce it C & E, the people we only see at Christmas and Easter.
VisionAri_VA@reddit
Where I live, they’re similarly referred to as “C & E Christians”.
Hawkgrrl22@reddit
I've always heard C and E Christians
Loisgrand6@reddit
Among some other denominations, it is, “CME.” Christmas, Mother’s Day, Easter
bizoticallyyours83@reddit
That's pretty clever.
codenameajax67@reddit
That's much higher for certain denominations than others.
My dad is a pastor and total attendance at Christmas and Easter we're always the lowest of the year due to people traveling.
Historical_Bunch_927@reddit
I've always heard it referred to as CEO Christians, too.
Team503@reddit
Cultural Christians is the term.
sargeantnincompoop@reddit
We called them Cafeteria Catholics, because they pick and choose when to be religious.
ColossusOfChoads@reddit
Or weddings and funerals: "Marry 'em and bury 'em."
Luzithemouse@reddit
I’ve heard C and E Catholics (Christmas and Easter).
ExitingBear@reddit
"the lily and poinsettia crowd"
Flowcomp@reddit
“C&E Christians”
JaneDi@reddit
Not going to church doesn't make you any less of a christian. Its about what you believe not how many times you go into a church building. There are millions of Christians who literally can not go to church because they would suffer persecution.
ChannellingR_Swanson@reddit
There are at least a hundred million Christian Americans who can’t get to church because they would suffer from not actually wanting to do it so they don’t. These same people claim to know the word of god but don’t make a practice or study of his teachings.
Spare me and get to church if you have a guilty soul.
JaneDi@reddit
What is this post? Are you saying people have to go into a church building to study Gods word? They can't study it from the bible in their house, or their phone? Ok..........
ChannellingR_Swanson@reddit
Sure, what’s the percentage of the US who spends an hour a week reading and studying the Bible and reflecting how to apply Jesus’s teachings to their everyday life…….but also things going to church regularly is a bridge too far?
I think you speaking about a statistically insignificant portion of the US. You can believe in something and not be a practicing Christian. That’s what the majority of the US is. All vibes because they were raised “Christian”, but they don’t want to put the work in.
FitzwilliamTDarcy@reddit
Agree with this. People are very fuzzy with their math, like yeeeeaaahhh I go once or twice for holidays, throw in a baptism or a wedding here or there so, sure, once a month! Add the embarrassment factor and for sure. If you told me 10% I'd believe you.
Actual-Bullfrog-4817@reddit
It's more of a cultural/political identity at this point. I don't know any self-identifying Christians here in the midwest who follow any of the Christian rules like not having sex before marriage.
EffectiveSalamander@reddit
A lot of people imagine themselves to go to church weekly, even if they don't. There's always something coming up that keeps them away, but they'll count themselves as going each week, because that's what they think they'd do if things didn't come up.
ColossusOfChoads@reddit
It's one of those things that's real hard to pin down with a survey question, because people fudge the truth or lie outright.
Like with asking teenage boys whether or not they're virgins. Although who knows, maybe these days they lie less than they did when I was young....
Tamihera@reddit
Didn’t they do a study tracing phone signals which proved far fewer folks were actually IN churches in Sunday morning than claimed to be..? And then various Christian ‘leaders’ got angry and said that ACKSHERLY Christians don’t take their phones to church which is hilariously untrue.
SkiingAway@reddit
I agree plenty of people probably count it, but if the reason you are there is solely about attending a family/friend life event and not religious observance, that doesn't really seem like it should count.
I'm not religious and my ancestry mostly isn't christian anyway, but I probably "attend" a church at least twice a year for someone's wedding or funeral.
FitzwilliamTDarcy@reddit
Oh I never said it made sense :)
carrie_m730@reddit
And then what does at least once a month mean? I was raised in a high-conflict church. There would be periods of time when my mom didn't attend but maybe twice in three months, but the rest of the time we went 2-3 times a week.
If that lapse was once or twice a year, should she reply that she does or does not attend at least once a month?
Or if she attended once every other month from January until June, but she's been 3 times a week since and it's currently November and they're polling, what's an accurate answer?
ColossusOfChoads@reddit
What's a high conflict church? Fights breaking out and stuff?
carrie_m730@reddit
There were a couple of factions within the church and at any given time leadership catered to one or another. There were periods of time when my mom wasn't considered a 'member' despite constant attendance because she was a cigarette smoker. At times we were outsiders or lesser members because of whatever alignment or clique or whatever was leading at the time. It was a lot of mean girl stuff, a lot of sly insults, a lot of 'forgetting' to include us, etc. And other times others were on the outside. My mom was often on the outside for not participating in the bullying or exclusion of someone else. Church politics and pettiness.
MattieShoes@reddit
Are you asking how averages work?
More than once per week.
Wonderful-Impact5121@reddit
I’ve had pastors in my family, several in the church, traveled states to preach for a few years before I was born and kept up with all of those churches and we’d talk about the going ons.
I’ve got coworkers who are deeply religious, I’ve got a handful of religious friends, I’ve lived in multiple states and traveled around the mid/eastern US countryside for work…
Which is all to say I can’t back it up with researched statistics but there’s no way in hell that over half of people who would casually say “I’m Christian” in the USA attend church once a month.
Absolutely no way.
There’s a ton of churches in the US.
A ridiculous amount.
But not enough of the size for that.
And most of them aren’t having even semi full congregation services most days of the week except Sunday.
NeverRarelySometimes@reddit
Many are culturally Christian. They know the high points of Jesus' story, and enjoy Christmas trees and Easter eggs, but they really can't be bothered with letting Jesus' teachings influence the way they behave.
SkiingAway@reddit
To be fair, neither can plenty of people who actually attend the services.
nkdeck07@reddit
Seriously, never seen more ridiculous petty infighting then in the church I grew up in (and from what I've heard full friends we weren't even that bad)
Sorry but Christmas and Easter here are about a fat red man and a bunny. I honestly think my daughter's are gonna be confused someday when they find out it's a religious holiday. The only reason we ever attend church for those holidays is if my Dad has a solo
OldBlueKat@reddit
Your perception of that may be skewed if you are a young person living in a large urban area (as many Redditors are.) Especially in the north.
Out in the suburban/ exurban areas and small towns, and in many bigger cities in the south, there are a LOT of churches that are still fairly well attended, mostly by middle-class families who grew up doing that. Not all of them are in the whole "Christian nationalist/ Maga cult/ rabid Evangelical" stereotypes, though some are.
They probably do attend a few Sundays a month during the school year; it tends to drop off in the summer months. Some churches even pause in the summer, or have some sort of alternative service options. The one I grew up in had a 'drive-in' service at a local drive in theater, until it closed a few years ago. You could use the car AC if you needed to -- the old church wasn't air-conditioned.
For some of them it really is about faith, but for many, it's a community and fellowship thing. You stay connected to your neighbors through things like church pot-luck suppers and so on. Most of the town may go to one of the local churches.
Tizzy8@reddit
There was a paper recently where a researcher looked at phone data and it was about 5%.
ilanallama85@reddit
Yeah, those numbers are gonna get fudged even by well intentioned folks: “well I went Christmas and Easter and then Suzie’s wedding in May and then I’ll have to go next month with grandma when she comes to visit, that’s like almost once a month..”
InevitableRhubarb232@reddit
I don’t think it’s high. 34% who identify but go less than once a month is prob accurate. Once a month for an even remotely practicing religious person is hardly any, especially if they say “average” because maybe they don’t like to go out in the winter when it’s cold but they go 6 times a month in the spring and summer and it averages out.
My family is religious but I am no longer, and even I’m at a mass or service at least 4-5 times a year just going a family, or for a wedding/funeral etc. Might identify me as a Christmas/easter but I don’t go for religious reasons, only if like grandma wants the family together for Christmas Eve dinner and or something. I do it for her not for god.
I would be interested in the Jewish stat since ethnicity and religion is so intertwined but a lot are not practicing but very much so identify as Jewish.
agirlwholovesdogs@reddit
I think it’s also being balanced out by the people who regularly go. My family is incredibly religious and to this day they rarely (if ever) miss going to church. Usually only if they’re on vacation or sick.
ChannellingR_Swanson@reddit
Could be but that’s such a small number of people, I live in an area where we have a reputation as being overly religious but I can only count on one hand the number of families I’ve met not through church who even go to mass twice a month. And that’s in my entire life and almost all of them are catholic or Christian reformed.
agirlwholovesdogs@reddit
That’s a good point! Very curious to know the number of people who go more than once a month, it’s probably a lot smaller than I thought originally.
NIN10DOXD@reddit
I think that it has been found that your theory is correct based on cell phone location data.
ri89rc20@reddit
Sure, sure, I go once a month, or at least I went once one month. Plus yeah, they usually do these polls around Christmas or Easter for the news cycle
NHhotmom@reddit
There’s no way 40% go to church once a month. Maybe 20%. I think it’s more like:
20% go once a month.
20% go for occasional Christmas or Easter.
And 60% never go.
sdduuuude@reddit
Not sure where you see "75% of Americans identify as religious.
Another Gallup link showing it is actually 49%:
https://news.gallup.com/poll/511133/identify-religious-spiritual.aspx
jimbelk@reddit
This is the second question on the linked page. The question is "What is your religious preference -- are you Protestant, Roman Catholic, Mormon, Jewish, Muslim, another religion or no religion?" The survey results are:
Protestant 33%
Christian (nonspecific) 11%
Catholic 22%
Jewish 2%
Mormon 1%
Other 6%
None 22%
I added together the first five categories to get the 75% figure. The numbers don't actually add up to 100, so I guess there's some rounding error. Since "none" is only 22%, I guess the actual figure is 78%.
sdduuuude@reddit
Got it. Thanks. I think I prefer the 47% figure as "identifies as religious" because that was the question asked.
The term that OP is looking for is "C&E Catholic".
It is a term used to describe people who only go to church on Christmas and Easter.
Muchomo256@reddit
Bedside Baptist Church.
StrongTxWoman@reddit
My brother and his family are Sunday frienstians. They just go to hang out with their friends and for their kids to play with other kids.
eac555@reddit
I know very few people who go to church once a month let alone each week.
kmoney1206@reddit
Yep. But then they try to act holier than thou and want laws based on their religion they don't even follow.
JosephPatrick1910@reddit
Everybody wants laws based on what they believe in. Sometimes what they believe in his religion, and sometimes what they believe and is doing whatever I want, but everyone uses their values or lack of them when they go in the voting booth, so there's nothing particularly unusual about how religious people vote.
bizoticallyyours83@reddit
Those people are assholes.
Hell8Church@reddit
I recently thought about being constantly sent to Sunday school while my parents stayed home and never set foot in church. They used to pay us a $1 to learn Bible verses. When that didn’t work mom got desperate and let the Jehovah’s Witnesses into the house to study with me at home. And they wonder why I’m an atheist.
Ok-Baseball1029@reddit
Is once per month really the standard these days? I’m not religious at all but I thought people were supposed to go every week! Hell even I go for Christmas and Easter occasionally if family asks me to!
FionaGoodeEnough@reddit
I assume that once a month is a baseline for you are going more than just on major holidays, and you are maybe trying to go every week or so, but have scheduling conflicts sometimes.
Saltyfree73@reddit
My brother works in a church, and he calls them Chreasters.
wawa2022@reddit
My mom used to call them Easterlambs.
Sweet_Cinnabonn@reddit
That's such a generous term for it
wawa2022@reddit
Not the way she said it. LOL!
JerichoMassey@reddit
Down south we call them CEOs
Christmas and Easter Onlys
nagato36@reddit
I actually dislike them very much ya know like it’s cuz of them I have to go to Easter mass an hour early to get seats and be stuck in traffic for like 30 min
nagato36@reddit
And they’re probably the ones who are more likely to have bible verses on their bio and “preach” about people “living” in sin
Positive_Yam_4499@reddit
41 is way too high.
SonOfMcGee@reddit
Also, while I have no formal data, I assume that the elderly are very over represented in that half-ish that attend services. And they aren’t being replaced fast enough as they die.
Chance_Novel_9133@reddit
This tracks pretty closely with my experience working as office administrator at my church.
We have a congregation of 231, but average weekly attendance between both of our Sunday services is 112. We have a lot of people that come every week, but there are also intermittent attendees included in that number. Some people come every other week, some come once a month, some come every couple of months.
Easter attendance, meanwhile, has averages 211 attendees between both services, and Christmas Eve, our big service for that holiday, gets an average of 229 attendees.
(Why yes, I do keep a very complicated, color-coded attendance spreadsheet, thanks for asking!)
splynneuqu@reddit
Churches are nothing more then a social club.
madogvelkor@reddit
It's probably regional. When I was down South a lot more people went to church than they do in the Northeast. Lots of Catholics and mainline Protestants up here that never go except maybe holidays and weddings.
Homeschool_PromQueen@reddit
So, so many
JazzyJulie4life@reddit
Absolutely. I grew up with a bunch of them
Normal-Emotion9152@reddit
It is the same here for protestant and Catholic. They are called bench warmers and only come on holidays or funerals.
Capital_Historian685@reddit
When it comes to religion, there's such a thing a everything in America!
birchitup@reddit
Most of them.
WeirdFlecks@reddit
Yes. We call them Catholics.
Confident_Drummer467@reddit
We have christian in name only who would just as likely kill you if they could.
TreyRyan3@reddit
There are die-hard church goers, but per most surveys, less than half of “Christians” regularly attend services, and I’d willingly bet that 1/3 of those that claim they regularly attend consider one every 6-8 weeks as regular attendance.
ConsiderationCrazy22@reddit
I’m Protestant and only attend church on Christmas Eve and Easter. And I only go to church on Easter if I’m visiting my parents, which isn’t every year since my folks are often in Europe in April.
Indiana_Jawnz@reddit
We have a lot of C&E Catholics who only attend on Christmas and Easter.
That's more or less how I grew up.
KindCompetence@reddit
My in laws are “Catholic” if you ask them but might show up to church once a year.
I’m not religious, and I am in a church more than they are. My kid likes the UU group and I take her when she wants to go.
Reader47b@reddit
Yes, absolutely there are nominal Christians in the U.S. who do not attend church but who consider themsleves Christian and keep some Christian traditions. That said, church attendance IS higher in the U.S. than it is in Europe. I think that has to do with us never having allowed a state church from our inception, and having, so to speak, a free marketplace for religion.
defaultman707@reddit
I would say the majority of Christians don't regularly go to mass, probably.
ashleyorelse@reddit
Considering the biggest denomination is protestants, yeah
JosephPatrick1910@reddit
That's not really true. There isn't one group of protestants there's hundreds, if not, thousands of subgroups, but the largest individual group of Christians in the United States are Catholics. There's about 50 million Catholics in the United States, and I believe that some form of Baptist are the second largest group.
The top five largest groups of Christians in the United States are:
Reader47b@reddit
Roman Catholics are the largest single denominations, but Protestants collectively outnumber Catholics. About 22% of Americans are Catholics. About 43% are Protestants.
ashleyorelse@reddit
Protestants are a group, with subgroups under it. Same way Catholics are a group, with subgroups under that.
SlinkiusMaximus@reddit
Catholic sub-groups are generally wayyy more similar to each other than Protestant sub-groups, because Catholicism is more centralized in terms of theology and leadership. Protestant is more just like a loose category of Christians who don’t believe in the authority of the Pope and many of the traditional rules of the Catholic Church.
ashleyorelse@reddit
That changes none of what I said
SlinkiusMaximus@reddit
There aren’t sub-groups in Catholicism in the same way that there are with Protestantism, because with Catholicism it’s still all under the Pope and Roman Catholic Church, whereas Protestants just all believe in some very loosely similar things and agree that Catholics have it wrong.
ashleyorelse@reddit
Protestants are more about freedom to worship in your own way, which is why there are more groups, and no devotion to a central authority in many of them.
SlinkiusMaximus@reddit
Correct
logorrhea69@reddit
The Catholic Church doesn’t have sub-groups under it. It’s a single denomination.
ashleyorelse@reddit
It sure does.
Eastern, Orthodox, Latin, Byzantine, Chaldean, Coptic, Syriac, Armenian and Maronite to name a few.
logorrhea69@reddit
Those are not part of the Roman Catholic Church. They are separate.
ashleyorelse@reddit
They are sub groups of Cathlolcism. So is Roman Catholic.
logorrhea69@reddit
You’re right - I stand corrected. But are they counted in the statistics about the Roman Catholic Church being the largest denomination?
Kaiser8414@reddit
Maronites are considered a part of the catholic church, but not a part of the Latin rite.
Kaiser8414@reddit
Except for the Eastern Orthodox, these others are referred to as different rites and are basically grandfathered into the church as many were founded concurrently with the Latin rite.
Nawoitsol@reddit
Methodists just had a schism so those numbers are probably outdated. The Methodist Church that split is now just a Church.
seaofthievesnutzz@reddit
I was fucking baffled cause most regularly church attending Christians don't attend Mass.
Turbulent_Bullfrog87@reddit
Yeah…it’s only a Mass if it’s a Catholic Church service
daffodil0127@reddit
There’s a lot of nonreligious “Christians” in the USA. They don’t often give much thought to whether they actually believe or not. They claim whatever denomination they grew up with and just don’t participate by going to church regularly.
username-generica@reddit
I’ve always heard them called twice a year Christians.
downlowmann@reddit
Lol, Yes of course. That sounds like half the country.
LosTaProspector@reddit
Being a Christian has nothing to do with a church.
Cecowen@reddit
Yeah, most people I know.
MuchDevelopment7084@reddit
Of course there are; in every country and every faith I'd imagine.
ScreamingLightspeed@reddit
The vast majority of what I've seen is that middle ground lol
longhairedcountryboy@reddit
That is probably most people in USA.
Timely-Youth-9074@reddit
Churches overflow on Christmas and Easter. The rest of the year, not so much.
Derwin0@reddit
We call those people Creasters. Catholics who only go to mass on Christmas and Easter.
As it is though, most people in the US are not Catholics, with over 2/3 of the Christians being non-Catholic. As such, there really isn’t a mandate to go to weekly service.
Silver_Catman@reddit
Yeah, "Easter Christians" are pretty normal where I live
N7Longhorn@reddit
That's just most Christians in America
FlopShanoobie@reddit
Yeah. Christian (Methodist) upbringing. Baptized. Confirmed. Haven’t been to church since the early 90s because I can’t stand Christians. But I still look to the New Testament for my basic moral code. Not saying there aren’t other valid options (I’m probably philosophically more aligned with Sikhs than anyone) but it’s the one I know best.
Tuitey@reddit
So I’m Jewish but thanks to the power of public radio I know the term “C & E Go-er” or someone who goes to church only on Christmas and Easter. This, according to the radio show I was listening to, is very common.
Similarly is Jewish people who only go to synagogue on high holy days (new years and yom kipper)
Historical_Bunch_927@reddit
I was sort of raised Catholic, and I have always heard it as CEO Christians, not C & E Go-ers.
Tuitey@reddit
Tbf when I said I heard it on a radio show the episode was likely 20 years old and even when it was airing the host and panelists were old/old souls so a lot of the terms they were given for trivia could be old fashioned
Key-Protection-7564@reddit
I'd suspected it was the same or similar for Jewish-Americans. I'd be interested to hear other religions chime in.
TheSoloGamer@reddit
I was raised buddhist, only ever went to two different congregations, one easter service and one random sunday each. Both were full on Easter and nearly empty on a regular sunday.
Odd-Combination5654@reddit
I think that’s the majority of them
hannahroseb@reddit
Yes. In the Episcopal Church (and probably others) we call them "C and Es" literally for "Christmas and Easter"
Actual-Bullfrog-4817@reddit
In the US there's a much larger protestant population and yeah, the vast majority of them have the cultural identity of Christian but it has become more of a political stance than a religious ideology. For instance, most of the people in my life who would say, "I am Christian," do not attend church outside of holidays and do not abide by the familiar rules like not having sex outside of marriage. Their identity is mostly about a political party. This shift has happened over the past 20 years.
CantoErgoSum@reddit
Yeah, that's most Christians. They're not serious people.
Traditional_Bee_1667@reddit
Yes, very common. Same with Jews who only show up for the high holidays. There were some people I never saw unless it was a holiday.
nvmls@reddit
This is 99% of American Catholics lol
figsslave@reddit
That was the family I grew up in.As an adult Ive never attended church at all and never took my kids there either
mshirley99@reddit
When I was young, the Catholic-specific term for those who go to mass only on Christmas and Easter was "Creaster."
ncconch@reddit
Many of them will also go to Mass on Palm Sunday and Ash Wednesday. AW is not a holy day of obligation but still one of the most heavily attended days. We do like getting things for free.
mutant6399@reddit
got to get the performative ashes on the forehead...
justonemom14@reddit
Literal virtue signalling
mutant6399@reddit
😁 Little Marco's grease paint crucifix was the worst example I've ever seen
GusGreen82@reddit
I’ve heard CEOs - Christmas and Easter only
JaymzRG@reddit
That's how it was for me because I think my mom saw it more as a way to spend time with family.... before the big family split. My mom is Catholic, but doesn't go to church often (only with her best friend and her family occasionally now) and never pushed it on me. She doesn't believe in pushing religion onto others.
Aesop_Asleep@reddit
I’ve heard of CMEs—Christmas, Mothers Day, Easter
silverwolfe@reddit
Wait why Mother's Day?
Aesop_Asleep@reddit
Mothers like to bring their families to church on that day, it’s just a thing
silverwolfe@reddit
Huh, thanks. Never would've thought of that.
TricellCEO@reddit
And those CMEs will probably find themselves in a church in the event of a CME.
thepineapplemen@reddit
The poinsettia (Christmas) and lily (Easter) crowd
courtd93@reddit
We call em “C and E-ers”
ShittyDuckFace@reddit
For my culture it's "high holiday Jew". We only go to temple on the high holidays in the fall. Which I also happen to be doing because temple is so boring.
mshirley99@reddit
When I told a Jewish friend about Creaters, he laughed. I said to him, “surely you have a term for Jews, who only go to temple on certain high holy days, don’t you?“ he said “yes, most of us.“
ShittyDuckFace@reddit
LMAO he's so right
UnofficialCapital1@reddit
"Twice-a-year Catholics"
vaginawithteeth1@reddit
This is what my parents and grandparents called them too. “Twice a year catholics” they hated when we couldn’t find parking at our church on Easter, Christmas, and Ash Wednesday. Now I myself have turned into a few times a year catholic. Oops!
rsjem79@reddit
My grandfather called them "World Series and Super Bowl Catholics".
giraflor@reddit
This is what I heard growing up. Very common. And they filled up the best pews on those holidays.
However, at the other end of the spectrum, there were people we knew who not only attended every Sunday and holiday even on vacation, but went to Mass every morning.
anglerfishtacos@reddit
That was the name for them as well in my family. As I am now one of those (who also sometimes skips Christmas and Easter), I prefer “Cultural Catholic”.
mayonnaisejane@reddit
Submarine Catholics! Only surface at Christmas and Easter.
pita4912@reddit
C & E Catholic is what my mom calls me
somedaymyDRwillcome@reddit
Alternatively, Ashes & Palms who only go for the giveaways.
Energy_Turtle@reddit
This was my family and all our friends when I was a kid. Probably would have filled the house with Ichiro bobblehead night.
komodoman@reddit
Less than 30% of Americans attend church regularly.
PrideofPicktown@reddit
You just described me; raised Catholic; haven’t been to mass in at least ten years. I believe in a god, but do not like organized religion.
MeanTelevision@reddit
Non Catholic Christians don't attend 'mass' just church services. They don't call it mass.
I've even seen some non-Catholic Christians claim that Catholics are not Christian. Which, per John 3:16, is inaccurate.
I don't have stats for you on how many people attend church services and/or mass but, a lot of people consider themselves Christian by faith, and/or non denominational Christian by belief, and do not worship inside a church, or rarely go.
Far_Silver@reddit
That depends on the sect. I think Orthodox Christians call it mass, and it's not uncommon for Episcopalians to use mass and service interchangeably.
MeanTelevision@reddit
I wasn't sure about Episcopalians since Henry VIII kept a lot of the Catholic traditions when he made the C of E.
Orthodox church, there is more than one type I think and I don't know much about it. It is not the most well known in the U. S. although there are some Orthodox churches in the U. S. I wouldn't know what either church calls things. I haven't heard Episcopalians call it mass but I can see it is possible.
WatermelonMachete43@reddit
When I worked in a church office, we called them "Chreasters". Probably 5% of our congregation attended services only during major church holidays like Christmas and Easter.
SadSavage_@reddit
CEO Christians is what I call them. (Christmas & Easter Only)
ShirleyWuzSerious@reddit
I'd say 75% of "Christians" in the US don't practice. The sad part is they vote based on their "Christian" morals and don't even know why
MrsBenSolo1977@reddit
I’m an even weirder bird, I was raised as a secular Christian atheist.
JaymzRG@reddit
Yeah, I know quite a few people like that. They believe in Jesus and all that, but don't feel the need to put on a show for others every Sunday morning.
They're the Christians that are really chill and the ones you'd probably never think believe in Jesus because they see their private personal faith as just that: Personal.
fajadada@reddit
Unless you are actively worshipping at home or anywhere else. you are not a practicing Christian. And you are not part of the Christian faith. Every denomination will tell you this. People pretending to be Christian because they were raised in it but don’t practice it are a large number in the US .
Sajen16@reddit
I'm fairly certain if you asked my parents they would say they were Christian, but they haven't been to church for any reason in years. They also choose to follow what Jesus, supposedly, actually said and not be Christian nationalists so there's that.
Squirrel009@reddit
Most Americans who identify as religious only claim it as a cultural or political identity - they don't actually practice the religion with any level of seriousness or devotion. It's just a tool for them to claim moral high ground to judge other people and demand the world revolve around their personal preferences.
ycey@reddit
I identify as a non practicing Christian. I have the faith but I don’t go to church because I feel those in the church tend to be two faced hypocrites who use their faith as a way to hurt others and justify it.
KogiAikenka@reddit
Woa thanks for the intereting question. I was raised Catholic, fell out of it for a while, and then some experiences in life reignited my faith. So I believe in the Christian God, and will describe myself as such. I pray when I feel like it. Now, I don't go to church. I don't believe in church. I've seen enough bad stuff to separate them (just other humans) from my belief. I'm also a scientist, so I separate my spiritual belief from scientific knowledge. Im strongly against using the Bible or God as a reason for people to do or not do something, as well as use it in politics. I'm the only one like this in my circle though, so Im not sure how common it is.
evergreengoth@reddit
Yeah, I would actually say most American Christians are like that. The ones who are super engaged in church are less common and, depending on how "into it" they are, are often looked at by most people, including other Christians, as a little extreme, annoying, or both, especially if they try to push it on other people. It's not that you don't encounter them regularly, but they certainly don't seem to be the majority. And most don't all care about denomination, either, except maybe about the distinction between Catholics, Protestants (although they don't call themselves Protestants; they call themselves Christians and sometimes think Catholics are a different religion despite history), Mormons, and a few others (e.g. Orthodox groups); the ones who seem to care the most about their own specific denomination are Evangelicals of all stripes, Mormons, and Catholics.
That said, my dad is a Catholic who never goes to church, and he married my mom, who is a Protestant who never goes to church. Neither talk about religion very often, although they both consider themselves Christians, and while they have acknowledged on occasion that their experiences and denominations are different, it really isn't all that important to them. Most of their friends are the same - mostly Christians, some atheists, and a few Jews, but they almost never actually talk about religion. There are other things that matter more to them (although their Jewish friends did once invite us to participate in Passover when I was a kid, which we did attend). Politics are a much bigger deal to them.
crys1348@reddit
I'm one of those people. Churches in the US are too political, and quite frankly, hateful. And my relationship with God isn't dependent upon my location. I'm perfectly capable of practicing my faith without input from a church.
One-Warthog3063@reddit
I would guess that there are a great number of people in the US who fit that description.
tomatocrazzie@reddit
I literally can't think of anybody I know who goes to church even just on holidays. Family, friends, work acquaintances. Maybe somebody at work does, but they don't ever mention it even in psssing. There is a church down the street, but I don't know anybody who goes there. The only people I know who are even somewhat observant are Jewish. I honestly have no idea what my wife and adullt kids' thoughts are on religion. We do the Christian holidays but haven't been to a church, ever and the topic doesn't come up.
handyfogs@reddit
yeah it's called Protestant
The_crazy_bird_lady@reddit
I consider myself a Christian, have been baptized both as a child and as an adult, but I never go to church anymore. The politics and hypocrisy of many churches and churchgoers has turned me away. Now I just consider myself a Christian who focuses more on my own relationship with God.
Guuhatsu@reddit
I would be a Prodistant Christian. I haven't been to Church in well over 20 years. I learned most of what I have needed to know from Sunday school when I was a toddler. "Don't be a dick" basically. Recognize why it is bad to be a dick and be sorry and ask for forgiveness when you are one. I already know I am going to hell since there are aspects of the Bible that I don't believe in as written, so it doesn't matter if I go or not. I just try and be a decent person.
PerfStu@reddit
We always called them Chreaster Christians (Christmas and Easter put together), pronounced Kree-stir)
ShermanWasRight1864@reddit
I'm a Christian who doesn't go to my local church. Good friend of mine is trans and the church didn't like that.
Bitter-Bullfrog-2521@reddit
Quite plentiful in the U.S. I call them Holy Hypocrites.
Ok-Tourist-1011@reddit
This is how I was raised 🤣😂 it’s hilarious to me because my mom worked for the diocese and I was sworn to secrecy that we didn’t go to church, and now my dad works for a religious school
mls96749@reddit
I think thats most Christians in the US lol
pharrison26@reddit
Christians don’t equal Catholics.
AtheneSchmidt@reddit
There are a lot of non-practicing Christians in the US. Mass is less common, as the country is largely protestant. That said, my backgroundis Catholic.
My mom is what they call a lapsed Catholic she was raised Catholic, believes much of the Catholic doctrine, but doesn't attend church, even on holidays. Her mom is what we call a practicing Catholic, highly religious, and attends church weekly. I am what we call a recovering Catholic. Atheist for years, but with a Catholic childhood and background, so I still have issues with guilt and religious things that have made me hate aspects of myself.
My little sister is closer to what you mentioned. Raised Catholic, she considers herself Christian, is not particularly aligned with any specific sect of Christianity, but goes to Church on occasion, including holidays. She lives in a small town, so idk what kind of selection she has there, when it comes to denominations.
Aoimoku91@reddit (OP)
TIL that Mass isn't for Protestants. There's a Lutheran church in my hometown, so I thought that every Christian has their own kind of Mass.
OldBlueKat@reddit
Lapsed Lutheran here, with lots of friends/family in other Protestant denominations (and a few Catholics.)
For Protestants, I don't think any of us ever called our Sunday Worship Services "Mass", though I honestly can't tell you why. I suspect it goes all the way back to something doctrinal in the Protestant Reformation. Some say it has to do with whether there is or isn't a Communion during the service, but at least for the Lutherans, that didn't make it a Mass.
Carl_Schmitt@reddit
What makes the Catholic Mass distinct is the transubstantiation of the Eucharist, Protestants deny this phenomenon so you can't really refer to their celebration of the Eucharist as a mass even if some of the external appearances are similar.
ColossusOfChoads@reddit
The vast majority of US Protestants would look at you with confusion, possibly outrage, if you were to refer to their sunday morning thing as a 'Mass.' It's like saying you're going fishing while holding a deer rifle; it just don't make no sense!
HudsonMelvale2910@reddit
I think a lot of it depends on terminology. Episcopalians/Anglicans and Lutherans are likely to have a set liturgy that is very similar to the Catholic mass (set order of actions and prayers, standardized cycle of readings, eucharist) — indeed, some may actually call it “mass”. Methodists and Presbyterians have liturgies, though from what I understand, they’re a little different. Finally, I think your mileage may vary once you get to Baptists and non-denominational Christians, though someone can probably clarify.
tu-vens-tu-vens@reddit
Anglicans/Lutherans don’t call their services Mass. Catholics use Mass specifically to refer to Eucharistic services – the term presupposes a belief in transubstantiation, which other Christians don’t share.
HudsonMelvale2910@reddit
As someone raised and catechized Roman Catholic who is now a practicing Episcopalian (part of the Anglican Communion), I can tell you that not only do some call the Eucharistic service a mass, but some also believe in transubstantiation, including a former priest of mine. In short, yes, some (especially the more Anglo-Catholic inclined) call it the mass.
tu-vens-tu-vens@reddit
I grew up Episcopalian but never heard the term Mass used in that context. And from my understanding, even Anglo-Catholic theologians will lean pretty hard on the Eucharist as the Real Presence without signing onto all the Catholic details of transubstantiation.
I will confess that hardcore Anglo-Catholicism has always been a mystery to me with the lengths that people go to adopt another theological tradition while still wanting to remain under the Anglican umbrella.
HudsonMelvale2910@reddit
I >grew up Episcopalian but never heard the term Mass used in that context. And from my understanding, even Anglo-Catholic theologians will lean pretty hard on the Eucharist as the Real Presence without signing onto all the Catholic details of transubstantiation.
Yeah, I wouldn’t say it’s super common — and no other Episcopalian priest I’ve encountered has expressed their belief in transubstantiation as an explanation for the real presence (granted, I’m not often asking), but the use of “mass,” is something I’ve heard enough of. As for Anglo-Catholics, I stick to the “all may, some should, none must,” approach, but yeah agreed, with some it feels like they’re trying to out-Catholic the pope.
Inside_Ad9026@reddit
Have definitely been to Mass at a Lutheran church.
tu-vens-tu-vens@reddit
I edited my comment to note that a minority of Lutherans do use the word mass.
That said, plenty of places that neither use the word Mass nor hold to a belief in transubstantiation still use wine and wafers, so that doesn’t signify anything on its own.
Inside_Ad9026@reddit
Excellent. I’m not religious. I have no idea. I was just replying earlier because of what I experienced recently. I have never done wine and wafer so I didn’t want to be a fraud. I was baptized in that same church decades ago but I don’t know what they believe about it. I wasn’t arguing either way, just saying that it’s a thing. I didn’t know Lutherans did it until January. Tbh, was surprised.
historyhill@reddit
Yeah, a Presbyterian will call it "mass" when hell freezes over because they keep the "protest" in "Protestant" alive! But I know plenty of fellow Anglicans who use the word "mass" to describe a service.
AmerikanerinTX@reddit
Europeans find US Lutheranism rather Protestanty, while Americans find it rather Catholicy. In general, US Lutherans don't call their service mass.
doveinabottle@reddit
Protestants have “mass”, we just don’t call it mass. We call it “worship” or “service”. Mainline Protestant liturgy is usually extremely similar to Roman Catholic mass.
AtheneSchmidt@reddit
Er.. I did say I was raised Catholic, right? My dad was Presbyterian, and I have been to a handful of other protestant churches in my life. None of them ever called it Mass, it was just "service" or "worship." A quick Google check though (I don't want to be spreading false information,) says that a small number of protestant denominations do use the term Mass. Though, as I said, I have never run into one. It looks like they are mostly Lutheran and Anglican, which are two types I have never been to. Your local Lutheran Church may call it Mass, though.
androidbear04@reddit
I'm aware of a lot of nominal Christians of various denominations who could count on one hand the number of church services they attend each year, sometimes if they even had any to count.
Queasy_Animator_8376@reddit
I won't be guilted into attending church. Only my wife can do that.
Irresponsable_Frog@reddit
Most everyone I know are “religious” but never practice their religion!🤣 They go to church/synagogue/masque for holidays, weddings, or funerals. That’s it. And then their parents die and never go back, until their children wed. Seriously. The most non-religious, religious people I’ve ever met! I’m an atheist. Born/Raised. Thought it was weird people who know less about their religion than I do, believe themselves to be religious.
elcaminogino@reddit
Most Christians I know are like this. It’s also how I grew up. I don’t know that I would identify as Christian now but I guess I would and I don’t ever go to church, even on holidays.
YrBalrogDad@reddit
Yeah, there are loads of them. In my part of the country, I’d say that Catholics and members of the various Orthodox churches are much likelier than Protestants to be open and unbothered about it, though. So—since Protestants outnumber Catholics about three-to-one (here; nationally, it’s more like two-to-one), there tend to be a relatively large number of people exaggerating/overcounting their attendance.
Religion is very closely tied to politics and political power, in the US, especially in more conservative states, so—that creates another incentive to perform more religious engagement than many people actually feel. In quite a few places, if you’re in any position of even trivial civic authority, or if you’d like to be… you’d better at least be a church member, show up with your family on holidays, and pretend to care enough to make your excuses, the rest of the time.
I do think people here tend to get more heated about any overt perception or suggestion that they’re not actually all that invested in their religion. Even/especially the ones who aren’t. But a lot of people… aren’t.
WitchoftheMossBog@reddit
Yes, absolutely.
tyamar@reddit
I am a Christian and I went to a Catholic mass once. It was a Christmas mass. It was embarrassing for me (as a pre-teen) because they guy we went with (my mom's boyfriend at the time) told me I couldn't do any of the things everyone else was doing. I felt singled out. That's the problem with being a Protestant at a Catholic mass. He was also a dick.
The rest of the time I just went to my normal boring Sunday church service at my boring non-mass-approved church (and attended summer camp (which I loved)).
As an adult, when my mom lived with me we used to go to church every Sunday and Wednesday. It was one of those non-denominational churches. I truly loved going. My son attended their teen services all of the time and also really loved it. Then church leadership showed me how much they truly hate my son, so we all quit, cold-turkey. I would love to find a church near me that doesn't secretly hate me and my kids... but that's getting harder and harder to find these days.
Turbulent_Bullfrog87@reddit
Protestants are absolutely allowed to participate in the Mass. The only thing they’re not invited to do is receive the Eucharist (except in very specific circumstances). But they’re still invited to process during Communion and can simply receive a blessing, along with all of the other Catholics who (for various reasons) are not receiving the Eucharist that day.
I’m a lifelong practicing Catholic and I was an EME (I helped distribute the Eucharist at Communion) at my grandfather’s funeral Mass 2 years ago. Roughly half of the people in attendance, almost all of whom I know personally, were not Catholic and opted to receive a blessing. In every other way, they participated in the service as much as they wanted.
I’m sorry that that man lied to you.
tyamar@reddit
Yeah, I had a feeling, even at the time, that he was just being a jerk. Luckily my mom didn't date him for very long. She always did put us kids first.
ASingleBraid@reddit
Haven’t been since I was in my 20s. Only go for funerals.
God_Bless_A_Merkin@reddit
A growing trend on the “Christian” right is the absolute certainty of the correctness of their belief combined with minimal or no contact with a church. I have a friend who is a fervent “Christian”, who likes to debate me on religious matters, yet whenever I point out a counter-example to his interpretation, his answer is always, “Well, he’s not a real Christian.” Once, half in frustration and half in jest, I asked him whether it was possible that he is the only “real” Christian on Earth. He thought for a minute, and answered, “Maybe!”
Inevitable_Channel18@reddit
I’m Catholic and the last time I went to church was for a funeral. I don’t go for any holiday either. I made my first communion and that was the extent of me going to church “regularly”. I just don’t care and I think it’s hypocritical and irrelevant. I once asked my grandmother why she stopped going to church and she said when she did go, she noticed a lot of other people there were doing bad stuff all week long and then showed up on Sunday as if they were now cleansed of their sins. Her thought was “The people who go to church NEED to go to church”
TriGurl@reddit
Yep it's a thing! :)
DaddyCatALSO@reddit
Very common.
HippolytusOfAthens@reddit
I grew up in an evangelical church in the south. I remember one year, at the end of his Easter sermon, the pastor said, “oh, one more thing. If I don’t see you the next time you come, Merry Christmas.” A lot of people didn’t think it was funny, but as a burgeoning smart-ass I found it hilarious.
nauticalfiesta@reddit
Not a fair statement to make to some. Especially if it’s a visiting family member.
SlinkiusMaximus@reddit
Sure, but I think it’s pretty clear that’s not directed at people who have a different home church or don’t live nearby.
messibessi22@reddit
lol our priest makes jokes like that all the time and the whole church cracks up interesting that some people st your church took offence
fitnerd21@reddit
It’s the older generations who are preoccupied with all their family members who no longer go to church, and hearing the pastor make jokes about it probably touches a nerve. They think pastors and church leaders are the ones that need to fix the problem, but themselves.
messibessi22@reddit
lol how on earth do they expect the pastor to fix the problem? God gave us free will and not going to church is part of that
sas223@reddit
That is hilarious. I’m guessing it hit a little too close to home for some
Sleepygirl57@reddit
Hilarious!
Fun_Inspector_8633@reddit
Yes there are. Growing up we went to church fairly often but not weekly. The only time I've ever gone weekly was in college and that was only because the college church group I joined offered a van pool. That was the last time I regularly attended services and that was 20+ years ago. I still have my Christian values and beliefs but I very much dislike organized religion.
Ainz-SamaBanzai41@reddit
Yea thats like a majority of Americans
fidelesetaudax@reddit
It’s very common. “Holiday Catholics” if you will.
GeriaticDogs@reddit
Yes. We call them Cheeasters.
BloopityBlue@reddit
That's pretty much me. I'm a non practicing Catholic. I'm not an atheist but I don't attend church.
SherLovesCats@reddit
I’m a Christian and baptized as a Southern Baptist. I will not go to a church except for a wedding or funeral. I still believe in God and pray daily, but the Jesus I studied and worship would not be ok with how Christians in the US treat others. They use his name to bully others and be abhorrent. I call myself a recovering Baptist.
Iamlevel99@reddit
(Raises hand. 🙋♂️) - I’m at a loss for words and a festering disgust with the politicization of Christianity. I’d rather not be part of most congregations that sit there and list about Jesus’s love for the poor, the sick, and even the criminal, while watching on-going mass hypocrisy. Most of my friends are atheist.
ThatMuslimCowBoy@reddit
That’s every religion in the states
LoriReneeFye@reddit
I know loads of people in the USA who will claim Christianity as their faith but almost never go to church.
I know at least 20 of them in my own extended family.
Mostly, they don't attend church services at Christmas, either. Easter, MAYBE, but then it's time for ham.
(Which is so weird to me. Easter occurs during Passover, so Christians choose to eat something entirely offensive to Jews? America!)
Me? I've never been baptized, although I did take Communion once at a Methodist church and felt guilty about it, like I was offending them. (Only my friend and her mom knew I was a heathen.)
The only time I go to church is for a wedding, a funeral, or if I'm sightseeing and the architecture is interesting.
And I have no religious label. My beliefs are my business and I don't need to recruit or convert anyone.
zebostoneleigh@reddit
Yes. Lots of middle ground.
TuneCurious1865@reddit
✋️
I don't even go on holidays. I consider my faith private, and hate being preached to.
AntisocialHikerDude@reddit
Unfortunately there are many here as well who claim the label but don't practice.
Revelation 3:16
javiergoddam@reddit
Yes we are called Catholics <3
moxie-maniac@reddit
It's so common that social researchers use the abbreviation NPC for Non-Practicing Catholic. I suspect that in New England, where I live, NPC is the dominant "religion." Wild guess, half of the Catholic churches have merged or closed over the past 40 years.
javiergoddam@reddit
We are like Marines, there are no ex-Catholics. You can check out any time you like but you can never leave <3
BuildNuyTheUrbanGuy@reddit
I'm an atheist but consider myself culturally catholic lol.
WhenYouWilLearn@reddit
What does this mean, to be "culturally Catholic"?
BuildNuyTheUrbanGuy@reddit
I grew up in Louisiana, and much of our culture is associated with catholicism. Like lent lunches in public school or mardi gras.
historyhill@reddit
And actually Louisiana might be the best (and maybe only?) example I can think of of cultural Catholicism outside of smaller towns and maybe Boston!
EnterTheNarrowGate99@reddit
Don’t forget most of Long Island.
HudsonMelvale2910@reddit
Philadelphia and Baltimore also are places with a lot of cultural Catholicism (probably closer in brand to Boston than Louisiana).
woodsred@reddit
Pretty much every rust belt city. I think Pittsburgh is one of the only ones that doesn't lean catholic. Shit, the whole city of Milwaukee has fish fry every Friday whether you're Catholic or not
historyhill@reddit
That's true! And Pittsburgh, to my knowledge, doesn't have like lent meals in public schools but we do put out a list ~~judging~~ ranking both local parishes and firehouses on their fish fries! We also have an exact replica of the Vatican creche every Christmas. But honestly, the reason it's not as Catholic as the rest of the rust belt cities is because while it's very Catholic it's also very everything-else; there are a lot of Eastern Orthodox (although they tend to stick to themselves), the Germans brought in a lot of varieties of Protestantism (particularly in the greater Pittsburgh region outside of the city), and we have the second largest Jewish population after Brooklyn if I recall correctly!
historyhill@reddit
I legitimately don't know how I, a Marylander, didn't think to include Baltimore in that. 🤦♀️ Although in my defense Southern Maryland looks nothing like a lot of the rest of the state
throwawtphone@reddit
Same. Not from Louisiana but culturally catholic. Npc.
Rj924@reddit
Likely baptized, maybe communion, maybe confirmed. Practice Catholic/Christian holidays, Christmas, lent, Easter. Do not go to mass, except those occasions, funerals, weddings. Probably don’t believe, but enjoy the traditions.
HudsonMelvale2910@reddit
Traditions and food are a big part, probably less than say Lent. Some who are not practicing but aren’t atheist may have some devotion to saints. A lot of it typically informs just worldview and such. It’s tied up often with cultural and ethnic identity, especially in Northeastern cities.
Patient_Number_4922@reddit
Even non-Catholics in major northeast cities identify where they live by the parish!
sas223@reddit
Same here.
MaleficentMousse7473@reddit
Same. I’m a secular Catholic
kartoffel_engr@reddit
That applies to the LDS as well. My dad briefly dated this chick way back in the early 80s and signed in at church one day. Never went back after that.
Flash forward to the 2010, the church was sending people to our house looking for him. The sent missionaries first, then the elders, and when that failed, sent some young female missionaries. I remember being home from college when they showed up. It was pretty comical to watch him explain to those girls why his name was on their list.
Aoimoku91@reddit (OP)
Lol, nice pun, but I'm pretty sure it's the same for Anglicans, Protestants and Calvinists in the rest of the Union :) maybe the orthodox are more religious than other faiths
ColossusOfChoads@reddit
A Greek friend once told me "yeah you get baptised and there's the holidays and stuff, but you don't actually have to do anything. Once you're in, you're in."
anneofgraygardens@reddit
nah, at least in my experience living in the Balkans. Religious practices are almost entirely cultural, very few people actually attend religious services regularly.
Aoimoku91@reddit (OP)
Just to be clear, I meant my Union the UE, not your Union the USA. Sorry my bad
javiergoddam@reddit
Yes well in the southern and rural US you might find people whose lifestyles and communities are more integrated with church but reddit and definitely this subreddit skews very upper middle class urban or suburban and White i.e. non-immigrant.
commisioner_bush02@reddit
CEO Catholics—Christmas and Easter Only
TheMainEffort@reddit
Can’t stand Catholics that only attend church on Christmas, Easter, and every Sunday.
dobbydisneyfan@reddit
Yes.
Karamist623@reddit
Yes, but in my case I don’t go to church anymore, unless it’s a funeral. I consider myself agnostic.
ACodAmongstMen@reddit
My uncle is one of them, he's the only real religious one in my family after his parents died. He hated church though so he refuses to go, especially with his daughters because he doesn't want his daughters living a religious life.
cluelessinlove753@reddit
There are a massive amount of these. I myself grew up in the church of C&E. Christmas and Easter.
Yusuf5314@reddit
I would say a lot of Christians are like that here lol.
CompetitiveMeal1206@reddit
We call them “ChriEasters” for Christmas and Easter
un_nombre_de_usuario@reddit
My pastor calls them "Creasters" because you only see them on Christmas and Easter
nobulls4dabulls@reddit
Yes, there are quite a few non-attending Christians here. I'm a recovering Southern Baptist and have only been in a church one time in 40 years and that was for my youngest daughter's wedding. So I suppose you could say I'm nominally Christian but there's too much hypocrisy in the church I prefer to find God in nature. So I hit the woods
TheKingofSwing89@reddit
I’ve never once heard that
Footnotegirl1@reddit
Oh, absolutely. I would say the majority of Christians in America are of this persuasion.
DarkMagickan@reddit
They call them C&E Christians where I'm from. That stands for Christmas and Easter.
MattWolf96@reddit
It's very common
IanDOsmond@reddit
The majority of Americans are like that. It's just ... the majority are like that, so what are they gonna say about it? Nobody goes around saying, "Hey! Everybody! Listen! I am part of the most boring category of people that is most common and has the least to say about it!"
IndustryNo2442@reddit
yeah most definitely. Many people did like sunday school throughout their childhood and all that, but when they moved out don’t really go.
ftwclem@reddit
Yes, in my family we call those the Cs and Es: only see them on Christmas and Easter
Communal-Lipstick@reddit
Yes, the majority of Christians.
OkAccess304@reddit
Almost every Christian I know, and all of them in my family, are like this. Even ones who make a big deal out of their Christianity are often like this.
eeltech@reddit
I think you're going to get a very biased answer from Reddit. and if you asked a random sample of americans, you'd get a very different set of percentages than the answers given here
keIIzzz@reddit
Yes, I think it’s pretty common overall. My mom is Christian and doesn’t attend services, and I know other people who are the same way
Ultimate_Driving@reddit
The vast majority of people I know are non-attending Christians, in that they believe in God, but probably don't pray on a regular basis, and haven't attended a church service since childhood. I was a churchgoing protestant Christian throughout my early 20's, but stopped going when I was 25 or 26. At this point, I don't know if I believe in God or not. I'm open to a god's existence, but have never seen any evidence of it, and the attitudes of American evangelicals have put me off of the idea of ever going into a church again. I don't label how I identify spiritually. Some might call me an atheist. Others might call me agnostic. I don't care what it's called, because there's so much more to me than any religious beliefs or lack thereof.
Lucky-Royal-6156@reddit
I read these as threatening and though Im not a threat. O am attending though going to church at least 48/52 times a year
topsy-the-elephant@reddit
Incredibly common. So much so, we have terms for people: C&E - Christmas and Easter churchgoers W&F - Weddings and Funerals churchgoers
SwedeAndBaked@reddit
I’m Christian but I don’t go to church because church sucks.
cpav8r@reddit
When I used to be in church, we called them “Chreasters” and there are lots of them.
bmccooley@reddit
A very large percentage of them.
GotWheaten@reddit
Me. Still a believer but have zero desire to set foot in a church ever again. Love Jesus, but can’t stand most of the people that identify as Christian.
MikeUsesNotion@reddit
Are you going just off what you hear in the news or was the fun internal nonsense at your previous churches?
If it's just what you hear in the news, I don't think it's fair to say you can't stand most people who identify as Christians.
GotWheaten@reddit
Oh I witnessed the shit show first hand. Hence why I am done with church.
PhantomdiverDidIt@reddit
Yep. We're pretty awful. I'm not even kidding. There are a bunch of people at my church whom I never want to see again.
The problem is that Christians do need to be with other Christians, or the whole thing tends to go by the wayside. It's very difficult to remain a Christian in a vacuum.
Healthy_Fly5653@reddit
Most of us i would say. Im a Christian but probably go to church 3-4 times per year.
Adorable_Dust3799@reddit
I know a few that do online or televised services.
Designer-Travel4785@reddit
Yes. I believe in God. Not so much the church. Most of them are only Christians on Sunday.
TravelKats@reddit
I live in a city that has the lowest church attendance in the US. Most people I know went to church or Catholic school as children, but do not attend church.
Clean-Mention-4254@reddit
I call them every Catholic I have ever known except for an ex-girlfriend and my sister in-law.
SciGuy013@reddit
literally my parents
pasarina@reddit
So many, and they skip Christmas and Easter too.
Dazzling_Dish_@reddit
Yes. Lots of people claim to be Christian but rarely go to church
Patient_Number_4922@reddit
Claim to be Christian AND rarely go to church. Not but.
Dazzling_Dish_@reddit
Wtf are you even talking about
SnooHedgehogs1029@reddit
That’s most “Christians” in the US lmao. But they won’t let you forget they’re Christian
SnooHedgehogs1029@reddit
That’s most “Christians” in the US lmao. But they won’t let you forget they’re Christian
Frosty058@reddit
I was born & raised Roman Catholic. I was married in the church. My children were baptized.
Then the child sex scandal.
I still have a deep connection to my lord & savior. I do not attend service except on the rarest of occasions.
Men living in grand mansions, surrounded by millions of dollars in ancient art, who sacrificed children & collaborated with the Nazi’s to retain their wealth run the cult.
I occasionally find comfort in visiting a very old church building, but I have a direct line to my lord, wherever I might be.
Comfortable_Prize750@reddit
I'd say MOST American Christians fit this bill. Oddly enough, growing up my family would attend almost every Sunday EXCEPT Christmas and Easter. We didn't do re-runs.
DrGerbal@reddit
My parents fall under this. When me and my brother were growing up they made a point to take us to church. But over the past 5-7 years I don’t think either darkened the door of a church except for funerals or marriages. They definitely would call themselves Christian’s but just don’t see going to a building every Sunday as a requirement to be one.
botulizard@reddit
Yes. Some people use a term like "Cheaster Christian" (or Cheaster Catholic) to describe such a person.
commandrix@reddit
There's definitely people who identify as Christian but don't regularly attend services (or Mass). They might've attended regularly at some point in their lives, probably as children whose parents made them go, but stopped going for whatever reason. (Probably it's any combination of them seeing it as a waste of their time, they had a bad experience at their former church, and/or they hated that they were socially expected to put more than a buck or two in the offering plate when it was passed around. Just from the stories I heard about it.)
ThingFuture9079@reddit
Yes. I'm Catholic and only go on Palm Sunday.
Much-Meringue-7467@reddit
Lots of them.
KFCNyanCat@reddit
I believe this is the majority of Christian-identifying people in the US, actually a lot don't even go for Christmas and Easter (but being from the Northeast might bias me.)
taniamorse85@reddit
I'm one of them. I'm a wheelchair user, and places of worship are exempt from the Americans with Disabilities Act. As a result, I seldom can find a church that I can physically attend. I do, however, listen to streams of services.
Tha_Kush_Munsta@reddit
Yes, but it’s cause I can’t sit still for extended periods of time. Also I don’t like to be judged and don’t believe in dressing up my “Sunday” best. Growing up I wore my regular clothes cause I was gonna go and hang out after or before I was hanging out and I still went to church as it was normal activities with family to pile in the car and maybe go out to eat after cause the adults switched who paid every time so we could afford it.
ContributionLatter32@reddit
Yes this is extremely common.
Suspicious-Peace9233@reddit
They call them ceos. Christmas and Easter only. Many Catholics are like that
EverySingleMinute@reddit
Absolutely. There are lots of people who are religious but never or rarely go to church.
I grew up going to church with relatives, but not my parents. My son has never been to church.
cassiecas88@reddit
Yes. I'm a Christian (NOT a trump Christian) and never go to church. I grew up going to church and I'm good. Sunday mornings are family time.
OldRaj@reddit
This describes me.
JiminPA67@reddit
I am Catholic (and would fall into your category). I can't speak for other religions, but I think this is common for Catholics (at least for all of my friends it is).
kathy_ph1976@reddit
I'm a Christian and don't go to church anymore. Not a Catholic but a Baptist. The reason I don't go? People and their drama. It's never ending.
CeruLucifus@reddit
Sure, except some days I claim to be atheist, and technically I'm Catholic which some Christians exclude.
NorwegianSteam@reddit
Yes, we have Catholics.
OscarGrey@reddit
I've met multiple people that would never in a million years identify as atheist/agnostic because they were raised in conservative Protestant churches, but they don't attend church anymore.
casualsubversive@reddit
Catholicism seems to live in people's heads more effectively than Protestantism. Yes, people raised in conservative Evangelic churches have a similar experience, but even Catholics who have comparatively moderate upbringings seem to feel greatly defined by it.
TheBimpo@reddit
Most of the friends that I have that grew up going to Catholic schools/churches refer to themselves as "in recovery". I don't think any of them attend mass besides holidays.
Cromasters@reddit
There's also the stereotype of, the Dad stays home on Sundays while Mom brings the kids to church. At least that was mostly true for my family and friends I knew.
fitnerd21@reddit
“Look honey, I’d love to go the church with you and the kids, but NFL Sunday Countdown is on…”
Cromasters@reddit
We lived outside of DC for a while. During football season, even our Catholic Church made sure that mass was fast enough that everyone could get home in time to watch the game.
messibessi22@reddit
Lmao that was us and will probably be me with my kids.. for whatever reason my husband isn’t as interested in going to church as I am and even then I struggle to get there most Sundays
body_by_art@reddit
Look mass is so long and boring. If I wanted to spend an hour doing squats I would go to the gym.
Nurglesdoorman@reddit
I feel called out.
PacRat48@reddit
Cheaster (CHristmas / EASTER). Yes this is a thing here.
allthebacon351@reddit
Mass is catholic. Lots of Christians aren’t catholic. And there are plenty, like myself, who don’t attend church regularly. I’ll go if there is a missionary speaking or other such event.
Cultural_Community_5@reddit
That’s the vast majority of Americans. The majority of self identified Christians in America aren’t even really “Christian”. They’re people who have some vague sense of believing in a higher power and that there’s something after death, but don’t really care about the specific doctrines or stories of The Bible, and only identify as Christian because that’s our general conception of what religion is.
Reader124-Logan@reddit
That would be many of my family. They all profess to be Protestant Christian, and many were baptized decades ago. However, most rarely set foot into a church. Our funerals and weddings are usually not held in churches either.
pxystx89@reddit
Yep tons of em
LizzardBreath94@reddit
Mass is for Catholics. Most US Christians aren’t Catholic. But even still, most self proclaiming “christians” do not go to church on a regular basis. My family went 2-3 times a week (and my husband and I still do), but the majority of my friends who were “Christian” only went for Easter and Christmas.
Vulpix_lover@reddit
Hi, yes, very common in a lot of the country
hmochoa95@reddit
Yes the majority of christians are like this.
RockingInTheCLE@reddit
I’ve always heard of the Christmas and Easter Christians being referred to as life & deathers.
fatesdestinie@reddit
I honestly don't know anyone who goes to church (any denomination) regularly. (40F, Florida)
rosemaryscrazy@reddit
We have a lot more Protestants than Catholics in the South. I’ve never lived up North so I don’t many Catholics.
But Protestants tend to go to church on Sundays. It’s like their “thing”.
Because then they can say stuff like, “And he doesn’t go to church on Sundays.” Then everyone will KNOW what that means because of the tone the busy body says it in.
voteblue18@reddit
Former Catholic here. That describes the majority of Catholics I knew growing up.
Hatweed@reddit
I stopped attending service years ago because of my work schedule. Still consider myself a practicing Presbyterian. If I happen to be off, I attend.
Budgiejen@reddit
That’s like, all the MAGATs
ryguymcsly@reddit
When I was growing up in the 80s that was the majority of people in California. Not Catholic, as we tend to be protestants here, but all very much 'read the bible before bed, say your prayers before you brush your teeth, say grace before every meal' Christians who hadn't seen the inside of an actual church in years. My Grandma was one. Born in 1917, the last time she went to church was in the 1930s. One of the most religious women I've ever met, but didn't think church mattered.
In the past decade or so there's been a big rise in church attendance, but coincidentally the level of faith I believe has decreased.
Seakrits@reddit
I've been a Christian almost my entire life. I went to church regularly as a child, took a year off in college, and then went back to regularly attending when I got married and had kids. Growing up, my family was Catholic, but in 2nd grade we left that and since then, we have always been non-denominational. For the past 11 years I have lived in a tiny farming town with an insane amount of Churches. Population of about 1200, and ELEVEN churches. However, they are all Protestant, Catholic, Baptist, Presbyterian etc. We tried about 4-5 before we realized they all just...felt the same. Go in, sing few ho hum songs to a blaring organ, greet your neighbor, chant a few bible verses, listen to the priest for 30 minutes, take communion, go home. None of them felt alive, and it felt like everyone was there because we lived in a small town and you are either a Person Of Faith, or a heathen, and no one wanted to be seen as a heathen. I 100% believe in God. I do my own quiet time every day. I study the bible, research, and pray, but I just feel like everyone at these churches is putting on a show, and I feel more isolated there, than when I'm at home alone, learning by myself.
DisastrousLaugh1567@reddit
Supposedly Catholics are famous for this. The Christmas and Easter Catholic was a big thing in the parish I grew up in. On those holidays, there would be a couple hundred per mass and the church was full. Regular Sunday? Maybe like 75 across all masses.
PopularRush3439@reddit
It absolutely is a thing in the USA.
itsmyparty45@reddit
I had a friend in high school who said she was Catholic. She didn't eat meat on Fridays and she gave up something for Lent just like all the other Catholics we knew who regularly attended Mass.
Except she had never been to Mass in her life, not even on Christmas or Easter. One or both of her parents had been raised Catholic but stopped going at some point before she was born.
Turbulent_Bullfrog87@reddit
That’s…interesting
ToneNo3864@reddit
My parents were very losely Episcopalian. They never forced me to do much, except Sunday school when I was very little. I grew up as an atheist bc they gave me the opportunity to decide what I liked. I studied theology in college and was glad to be non religious, though some ancient religions were very interesting to me.
coysbville@reddit
Honestly I think maybe 50% of American Christians go to church regularly, if even that much.
Calm-Medicine-3992@reddit
The idea of a 'cultural Catholic' exists everywhere Catholicism is strong in the US but those people probably aren't posting about their Catholic identity on the Internet.
There is also the inverse. In more religious regions, there are a lot of nominally Christian, and possibly even atheist people that regularly attend church just for the community/tradition.
SpreadsheetSiren@reddit
Many do the “Hatched, matched and dispatched” approach. Baptized, married and buried in the church but that’s it. Usually done to make other family members happy.
Also known as Sprinkle Christians. Every time they’re in church, they get sprinkled. Water when baptized, rice when married, and dirt when buried.
Humbler-Mumbler@reddit
Yeah, tons of people like that. Sometimes called Christmas and Easter Christians. Might actually be a majority of Christians. Many of my friends call themselves Christians but few of them actually go to church. I don’t even think a lot of them really believe in it. They treat it more like the ethnic group they identify with.
innocuous4133@reddit
Um yeah practically all of them
Ok-Simple5493@reddit
I'm not Catholic but I consider myself a Christian. I rarely go to services. My church supports my beliefs for the most part. We allow women and members of the LBGTQ+ community to serve as clergy and in church government. They are active in the community and give to charity. They also have a social services practice and help people directly. It isn't the fake Christianity that is so popular in the media right now.
I am not a huge supporter of organized religion. The damages done by humans using religion as massive. I don't have as strict of a belief system as some Christians. I believe, but not in everything. I practice faith not religion. Many of the people I grew up with in church are the same. Our church split about 12 years ago. Those who oppose the inclusion of all people and everyone having a voice in decisions went their own way. Our church continues to grow and has added on twice since then. I'm proud of that. I would say over all it really depends on the person.
D3moknight@reddit
That's probably most of the Christians in the country, honestly. Much of my family does this.
AloneWish4895@reddit
Catholicism is not the Christian majority here. Tons of Christian’s do not believe in papal authority or required attendance. That said, all good wishes for the health of pope Francis, a decent person. Not all popes were.
szayl@reddit
C.M.E. Christians
(Christmas, Mother's Day and Easter)
Chuckles52@reddit
Probably most Americans.
WhiteySC@reddit
Sure. There are a lot of people just like myself wandering around this country. Believing in God does not also require me to be present in a building designated for worship where my membership requires that I agree with all the tenants of that building and help to pay the rent.
I_Hate_Reddit_56@reddit
I feel like that's most Christians
Temporary-Exchange28@reddit
Yes.
SquidsArePeople2@reddit
Only Catholics go to “mass.”
know-reply@reddit
Yes Roman Catholic on both sides (but different different cultural backgrounds within the Roman Catholic Church) parent and grandparents on one side went/still go to church every week and were involved in a lot of volunteer and charity work affiliated with religious organizations. Parent and grandparents on the other side only attended sometimes when my religious parent (their child in law) was going with us for a big holiday. One grandparent on the non church going side told me as a child that she identified as being religious but was very open about not going to church stating “God knows what’s in my heart, I don’t need to go to church to prove it.”
Sibling and I are not religious but not atheists and identify as being raised Catholic but don’t call ourselves Catholics. I wouldn’t identify as non attending because I don’t identify as Christian but my religious parent still identifies me as Catholic even though I am non attending. If I were to seriously identify myself it would be agnostic.
JoeBwanKenobski@reddit
AKA as the majority of Americans. Peoples' self reported attendance to church is way lower than actual attendance.
sanguinefire12@reddit
Pretty sure that most people I know fall into this category... including me and my boyfriend and sisters.....we haven't been to mass for years now. But we were all raised Catholic.
Passing-Through23@reddit
I have no idea what the percentages are, but I know many people (myself included) who very much are Christians (believe in God and study the bible) but do not belong to a church, or attend church services. So, in my opinion, there is a huge middle ground.
AccomplishedTie4703@reddit
Bunch of finger pointers in here
fraksen@reddit
I work at a church. 50% attend every week. 30% attend mi they and the last 30% attend on holidays.
AccomplishedTie4703@reddit
Is it a requirement? Or can you be a Christian without ever visiting a church??
Zardozin@reddit
Most Christian’s don’t go to mass at all.
And there are plenty of people who say Christian when asked who don’t go to church or give a dime till they’re dating a churchgoer or have kids and realize they’re little animals in need of a moral code.
justsomeplainmeadows@reddit
From someone who lived in the south, that's gotta be a large majority of Christians here.
RevolutionarySpite46@reddit
Most people in the U.S. who claim to be Christian don't go to church. Quite unfortunate.
SamMeowAdams@reddit
At least the non attending Cristinans KNOW they are fakes. Unlike the ones who go every Sunday but don’t live like Christ .
Ok-Advertising4028@reddit
I would say this describes about 95% of all “Christians”
Chzncna2112@reddit
Thousands of them for various reasons. I stopped all attendance over 20 years ago. Because the church was changing from a loving church/family. To an hate group. Maybe, in Rome, it might be close to how it was when I was young. But, my local churches spew hate and discontent. And they are full of hypocritical asses. They are enthusiastically trying to repress everyone not like them, while crying about others not respecting their hate.
kmckenzie256@reddit
🙋🏼♂️
gksozae@reddit
Anecdotally, this is the majority of Americans that claim to be Christian.
Church attendance doubles/triples at Christmas.
elcabeza79@reddit
Not American, Canadian, but probably the same insight. I was baptized and attended United Church from time to time in my youth. Stopped going, not atheist, but not a believer either.
My wife was raised Catholic, did communion, attended mass regularly, her family was active in the church community. In her late teens/early 20s she started figuring out it was all bullshit, and is like me now - not atheist exactly, but not a believer.
HRHDechessNapsaLot@reddit
C&E Christians? Hell yeah, totally common.
Weirdly, when I get in arguments with Christians who claim God hates gay people, they love Trump, etc etc, they’re all either C&E Christians or go to one of those non-denominational mega churches. Go figure.
General-Winter547@reddit
Lots of them.
I work as a hospital chaplain and conduct spiritual assessments on patients. I run into a lot of patients who claim to be Christians but they only attend church for weddings, funerals, and maybe Christmas and Easter; they don’t follow any religious practices regularly like prayer, communion, or fasting; and they often know very little about Christianity or the Bible.
ProjectedSpirit@reddit
Almost everyone I know identify as Christian and only a couple go to Church at all.
Churches used to be the center of many communities but I've noticed that fewer and fewer people have any use for organized religion.
colt707@reddit
My mom and her side of the family are “Christian” as in they believe there’s a god and celebrate Xmas. Never saw or heard of any one of them in a church other than the one time a distant family member got married in a church. Hands down I’m the most “religious” person in my family and I’m a pagan.
emessea@reddit
Cultural Catholic is a thing all over the works including the US
Firm_Accountant2219@reddit
Yeah lots. We call them C&E Christians. Was one for years until I started attending church regularly again.
Suppafly@reddit
Honestly that's probably the bulk of American Christians, and is definitely a lot of Catholics specifically.
who-dat24@reddit
I identified as Protestant Christian for most of my adult life, but haven’t set foot in a church more than 10 times in the last 20 years. And it’s always random not just Christmas and Easter but just show up on a random Sunday.
Shade_Hills@reddit
This is probably most of America
Big-Carpenter7921@reddit
That's most of the ones I know
lawyerjsd@reddit
Yes. There are lots of biannual Christians.
Caliopebookworm@reddit
Sounds like most folks that claim to be Christian in the US.
Adept_Thanks_6993@reddit
Absolutely. I'm a non-practicing Jew at the moment.
Basementsnake@reddit
This is probably the vast majority of Christians in the US.
deetsuper@reddit
Yes. I was raised Catholic but in the last 25 years have avoided organized religion because of the money grab and hypocrisy.
StrangerAccording619@reddit
Yep, right here! Grew up Catholic did every mile marker growing up, but stopped going to church after college except for Christmas because my family goes. I stopped going to church and stopped supporting because my personal beliefs and political views contradicted the ones taught (contraception, sex before marriage, the LGBTQ+ community, abortion). I still pray every night though!
livingonmain@reddit
Oh yes. I suppose I’m one of them now.
Ok_Support9876@reddit
100% of the Christians I've met don't practice true Christian values. They cherry pick scripture to best fit their current morals and beliefs...
That said. I grew up in a methodist church. I was baptized when i was a baby and then again in my teenage years..Attended every Sunday. Did Sunday school, vbs, and even attended a few missionary trips to build schools and church's in mexico my adopted dad was a member of the church band.. but then I grew up and was able to see the world for what it really is.. and I cannot align myself with modern Christians. I now identify as spiritual because I'm not sure I know what's right or wrong with modern Christianity but it does not align with what I feel and believe.
There is a god. I just don't know him.
Jakaple@reddit
I'm one
NicolePeter@reddit
My dad fit this description. He was raised Christian (Lutheran i think), had been baptized, but didn't attend church at all except maybe Xmas. Not easter. He would have described himself as Lutheran if asked his religion.
bkdunbar@reddit
I’d guess about 3/4 of the families on our parish roles only attend Mass on Christmas and Easter. I base this on how full those Masses are: standing room only in the sanctuary, and the narthex, and the gym, and the meeting hall.
rhos1974@reddit
Yeah, I can tell you I’m one of those.
MontEcola@reddit
My church does not have Mass. We have services. I was baptized in the Congregational church. I do not go to a church service at all anymore. I learned what I needed to know as a kid. I went to services along the way. I don't go anymore.
And I find myself to be more Christian than those who stand on a stage and profess their Christian Values.
Those of us who are truly Christian and follow the words of Jesus do not need to be in a Church to be a Christian. I also do not need my neighbors to know or care about what I believe. That is not their business.
ContributionHot9843@reddit
outside the south that's the norm
FlyByPC@reddit
I think that's most of them.
RealAssociation5281@reddit
Most people are more culturally Christian than anything else (saying this as someone who is religious but not Christian)
TellItLikeItIs1994@reddit
I’ll say I’m “technically Christian” if asked. I’m baptized and confirmed (Saint’s name and all), but that was literally the last time I attended mass barring friends wanting to go to a hip/modern church and me tagging along. For many people, you’re brought up as Religion X/Y/Z but slowly fall off over time if you don’t practice regularly. But you’re not wrong, Christmas and Easter are the only days of the year where church is kinda fun/festive rather than straight to business so that’s why people go to those.
Parallax-Jack@reddit
I am a Christian. I have to work on the weekends so I cannot attend service. I wouldn’t say that takes away from my faith. There is a difference between labeling yourself a Christian and not ever having a single thought about it, and labeling yourself a Christian and pursuing it/exploring it consistently in your free time. I wouldn’t say attending service either credits or discredits your faith
AwkwardImplement698@reddit
NPR did a thing a few years ago and American people lie, just lie, about church attendance. The question they answer is “are you the sort of person that would go to church” not “do you go to church”.
I think you get a better deal with NOT going to a megachurch. If you have any questions about the sermon, take a look at the parking lot: hit and runs, fist fights, illegal parking, pedestrians running for their lives.
Capistrano9@reddit
Out of all the “christians” i know under the age of 50, literally zero go to church, not even on christmas or easter. Really only Catholics go to church anymore, unless its an envangelical mega-church
bizoticallyyours83@reddit
There probably are. Many people have discovered that you can be spiritual without an organization.
CatalinaHotaru@reddit
Certainly is. We called them “Christmas and Easters” when I was growing up.
yozaner1324@reddit
That's basically the majority of Americans, at least American Christians. Most people will tell you they're non-denominational Christian, even if they don't go to church or do anything religious. I think they're just atheists and aren't ready to admit it.
Oktodayithink@reddit
My brother claims he is a Christian because he was raised that way hit I don’t think he’s been in a church in decades.
gmr548@reddit
This is most self identified Christians in the US, certainly outside of the South
The_silver_sparrow@reddit
So I consider myself Christian and man a part of a church and attend small church events, however I’m a part of a very large church and don’t attend the normal Sunday gatherings because I get sensory overload so I listen to the church podcast instead
Hotwheels303@reddit
I was raised Catholic, my dads still catholic but out of all my aunts/ uncles/ and cousins none of us regularly attend church except for maybe Christmas or Easter and that’s just to make dad happy
inscrutiana@reddit
Notionally, I'm now Unitarian Universalist. About half of UUs are refugees from other faith traditions and I can't be alone in being significantly motivated to align and be a member solely to have something to say which shuts up the ignorant. Non-attending. Sure.
Pristine-Confection3@reddit
Like on every other country, these people exist in the US too.
The_Ri_Ri@reddit
We call them CEOs (Christmas and Easter Only) members.
free_billstickers@reddit
Yes, they are called Christeasters
Nodeal_reddit@reddit
You just described 90% of Catholics.
Illustrious-Okra-524@reddit
Yes it’s a huge amount of people for sure
DadooDragoon@reddit
You just described the vast majority of Christians here
MohneyinMo@reddit
Yeah there is probably way more than the numbers show. It’s kind of aggravating on the holidays because you have to fight almost to get a seat. At Christmas this year one mass was so packed we turned around left. I’ve got a bad back and knew I couldn’t stand the full hour plus. No one wanted to scoot closer to make room and people were holding seats for late arrivals. After 5 minutes we said screw it we will catch mass in the morning.
VegetableRound2819@reddit
This has been my lifelong complaint. Now that I’m lapsed, I try to catch a Sat mass when I go.
nessysoul@reddit
I feel like that’s most people I know -Oklahoma
Nofanta@reddit
Only Catholics go to mass. Lots of Protestants in the US that for your description.
languagelover17@reddit
Yes, sometimes they’re called Creasters. I know a lot of people like this.
3kindsofsalt@reddit
Huge. Really huge.
This is human behavior, and not part of some perceived "fading of religion". People have always been like this. It's not novel.
Apprehensive-Pin518@reddit
my mother is what she calls a non-practicing catholic. she believes in the tenants of the catholic church but not in the church itself if that makes any sense.
IndependentGap8855@reddit
I can't remember the last time anyone in my family went to church, even for Christmas and Easter, and most of my family identifies as various Christian denominations.
RadRadMickey@reddit
Yes, tons.
LuckAffectionate8664@reddit
The number of “Christians” in America who have never set foot in a church and haven’t read much of the Bible is staggering.
dotdedo@reddit
I've known several people who act like they goo to church every week, but they only go to Christmas and Easter. I would almost say its about the same here, but working retail I know the after church rush is all too real.
Current_Poster@reddit
Yeah, there's varying degrees of that. Formally, being Catholic but not taking the sacraments is being "lapsed". Some people are Easter-and-Christmas attendees only. (Not counting weddings and funerals, of course.)
I've also heard it called being "ethnically Catholic", though that's not an official thing at all.
ColossusOfChoads@reddit
Or "culturally Catholic."
lupuscapabilis@reddit
Sure. I'm Lutheran and spent many years growing up in and going to church. By the time I graduated from college I felt like I was getting nothing new from the services so I stopped going regularly, but it's still part of me and I still go on occasion.
Derkastan77-2@reddit
Probably 50%-75% of them.
At church, they are called ‘holiday christians’
You only ever see them twice per year.
Easter and Christmas.
bachintheforest@reddit
Oh yes very common. Just for a personal anecdote, I work as a church organist and it’s kinda unbelievable how big the congregation is on Easter and Christmas compared to during most regular services. Christmas especially. I think a lot of it is family coming into town to visit their parents and grandparents for the holidays, so they all get dragged in.
Similarly I have family members who identify as Christian and will insist on saying Grace before dinner on special occasions and stuff… but never mention going to church themselves and even seem to find it amusing that I do go every week (because it’s my job). Just kinda funny. I know a lot of people have had negative experiences with religion though and have turned away from the church, but I imagine it’s hard to fully shake the beliefs that were ingrained in you since you were born.
StarSpangleBRangel@reddit
Yeah, that’s pretty common.
Roughneck16@reddit
In many communities, church attendance is more about community than worship. Especially in rural areas, churches provide vital framework for community service.
StarSpangleBRangel@reddit
Why are you telling me this
XonetwothreefourX@reddit
ok sassy
Roughneck16@reddit
Just adding a little info.
StarSpangleBRangel@reddit
Why not make your own comment and put it there?
The_Law_of_Pizza@reddit
And the perfect mechanism to ostracize outsiders! It's a two for one special.
Roughneck16@reddit
Only happens in a community where everyone belongs to the same church, which is rare in most places.
LSATMaven@reddit
Oh no, that is definitely not true. I’m from South Georgia originally. There is plenty of ostracism of non-believers, even with multiple churches.
Patient_Number_4922@reddit
It’s so backwards to care about what religion (if any) your neighbor is. Yee-haw.
hamiltrash52@reddit
The implication was ostracism of Christians not atheists
carrie_m730@reddit
Plenty of that too. Heck, in my high school math class, there were about 8 of us and I was the only one who didn't attend the same church.
And I was being told 3x a week that they weren't real Christians because they went to that church, and I think they were being told similar about me (although gentler because the church I was raised in was more extremist).
PostTurtle84@reddit
Not necessarily. The primary community service/crisis intervention group in Bowling Green, Kentucky is a conglomerate of all the churches in the area. Very religious, not very welcoming to atheists. So if you're any flavor of Christian, you're welcome to come help the needy, or get help. But if you're not Christian, you will not be contacted for opportunities to help others or to get help.
Although I'm a card carrying ordained minister of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, I'm seriously considering checking out our local UU church and community.
sandstonexray@reddit
That's how all community works. As people come together, the power from excluding them also increases proportionally.
ri89rc20@reddit
...or, you attend service to put up the image that you are religious, for social standing, your job, basically to keep the gossip mavens off your back.
javiergoddam@reddit
U telling somebody from Alabama this
Roughneck16@reddit
Ha! I was in Montgomery in 2023 for Squadron Officer School and there were churches everywhere. The Bible Belt is no joke.
tu-vens-tu-vens@reddit
Church attendance has stayed somewhat consistent in recent years, while religious identification has gone way down. The number of committed Christians hasn’t changed a ton, but many nominal Christians have stopped calling themselves Christian.
Thog13@reddit
Most Christians I know rarely go to church. Most regular church goers I know are Christians in name only, not action.
CookbooksRUs@reddit
Many. Sometimes called “C&E Christians.”
ikonet@reddit
Yes. In my experience these are most Americans. The thought process is, “well I believe in god because it’s patriotic, and I’m not Jewish and definitely ain’t no Muslim… and I do have a Christmas tree every year… so I’m a Christian!”
The only time they’ve ever been in a church was for a wedding or funeral. Many have never even been to children’s Sunday School.
Expert_Cake_179@reddit
Ya this is accurate. My Mother is European and considers herself a proud Roman Catholic even though she probably hasn't been to Mass since the 1960s. Mexicans are similar. They are culturally connected to Catholicism. They will do baptisms and 16 year Birthdays at the church, Easter, Christmas but that's it.
discourse_friendly@reddit
yeah definitely.
nauticalfiesta@reddit
The ones that celebrate Creaster?
dgillz@reddit
Short answer - yes.
Longer answer, "Mass" is a catholic thing and the overwhelming majority of US Christians have never been, and will never go, to "Mass".
ColossusOfChoads@reddit
Heck, that's probably most of them.
WinnerNovel@reddit
I grew up going to Mass every week with my mom. My dad was brought up with the Lutherans but for whatever reason changed to become an active Episcopalian. When they started ordaining women, he then became an extremely devoted Eastern Orthodox Christian to the end.
I had pretty much stopped believing in God at age 11 after I was raped, but after a great public education, somehow decided Orthodox Judaism was the one true faith chose to go to a Catholic college in a major city because it was in the Jewish neighborhood when it was quite vibrant with the intention of converting, but the rabbi did what he was supposed to and reminded me that I just had to follow what is it? 7 laws of Noah or something? and I was somewhat contented.
After dropping out of college I became an active member of an Episcopalian church and my first daughter was baptized there. Then came my Hare Krishna devotee phase.
More church hopping, another daughter who wasn’t baptized until her loved one convinced her to be a Mormon. I seldom go to any church these days but I’ve lost interest in matters of faith. I’m pretty happy with the tenets of the Unitarian church but we no longer have one in my community.
little_runner_boy@reddit
My mom worked at a church for a few years. The overwhelming majority of registered goers want to church maybe twice each year
huuaaang@reddit
Yeah, I would say that's very common in the US. Not 70% but it's common enough for Americans to identify as Christian but not even have a Church they are affiliated with.
drewcandraw@reddit
‘Church’ as used in the New Testament refers to the body of believers and has in modern times conjured images of buildings attended on Sunday mornings.
There is a small home-church movement in the US, where groups of believers will host services at their house. Some people I know from college are still practicing and believing Christians participate in this movement. If I still believed, I might choose to participate this way.
Home churches are able to give away nearly all of the offerings they receive, while church congregations with mortgage payments on a building and staff salaries have more overhead.
Master-Collection488@reddit
This is VERY common among Roman Catholics in the U.S.
There's TONS of "Christmas and Easter" Catholics. Churches hold extra masses on these occasions, and they're WAY more crowded than regular Sunday masses.
Lightning_Gray@reddit
I live in Georgia so basically the south and part of the bible belt of the region, majority of my friends are Christian and my girlfriend is Catholic (I'm non-religious) but they hardly attend church or sermon
Ananvil@reddit
I'd guess that's the overwhelming amount.
jshifrin@reddit
Going to Mass proves nothing. Being a good person and as a Christian, following the teachings of Christ, all you really need.
MWoolf71@reddit
The Catholic Church closest to my house has done a survey and about 1 in 5 of their members actually attend, so 80 percent don’t, or if they do it’s not often.
JumpingJonquils@reddit
We call them "holiday believers" or "seasonal Christians" where I am. A lot of people want the Christian preschool experience for their kids, VBS camps during the summer, and holidays without the Sunday commitment.
Dramatic-Blueberry98@reddit
It is true. I would call myself a Methodist, but it’s mainly just because my family has been all Methodist for the past 100 years (we were German Reformed Lutherans before that). I was also baptized as Methodist. However, I do not always make every service, but I will go for significant holidays and know many who do so as well.
Plus, a lot of more modern congregations tend to have the ability to record and/ or stream their services for those in the congregation who are either too far from or unable to make it to the physical church location.
Wooden-Glove-2384@reddit
Sure.
You've just described the bulk of religious people outside the born agains
HeatherM74@reddit
I’m a Christian but I don’t go to church anymore. At the last church I went to they were horrible to my youngest who is autistic. He was 6. He is now 16. I trust God, I don’t trust people and their free will with my kids. I also am disgusted by the politicizing and anti-LGBTQ+ rhetoric that is preached behind the pulpit. I hate how the Bible has been twisted from (as close to as I can find) the original translation (I’m looking at you King James) to hurt people. (Ie: a man should not lay with a BOY as he does a woman. And twisting the word prisoner and one who chants to cause harm to the one word witch.) More or less I want nothing to do with organized religion but have my own belief in God.
AggravatingOne3960@reddit
C&E Christians
Cock--Robin@reddit
I’m an atheist, and for some reason most of my friends are non-practicing Catholics.
velociraptorfarmer@reddit
Sounds like half of the ELCA in Minnesota
Ok_Order1333@reddit
👀 isn’t that like…most of us?!?!
Fact_Stater@reddit
This is the majority of "Christians" in the US, with the possible exception of the Baptism part, as Evangelical Christianity is very prevalent, and those denominations (or lack thereof) do not Baptize infants.
For what it's worth, I would not categorize these people as Christians, for the most part, because it's incredibly unlikely that someone who only attends Church twice a year has actually truly accepted Christ as their Savior, is repentant of his/her sins, etc.
Unfortunately, most people who say that they are Christians do not actually know Christ.
Patient_Number_4922@reddit
Like you know what is in people’s hearts. And as if attendance at a church is in any way related to being a good person.
risky_bisket@reddit
Many people are "Christian" by default because they haven't put enough thought into it to deviate from watever their families say. This is the same way most people pick political parties and favorite sports teams.
APBryant32@reddit
something i will add here is that you mention how you only see the extremes represented, which is unsurprising. but if you're thinking of one extreme as super Trumpy, MAGA, evangelical conservative -- even in that bucket you don't have high church attendance.
i am from Eastern Kentucky, a region which generally is very pro-Trump and very religious. but a LOT of people i know there who hold being a Christian as a very core part of their identity don't go to church much. in the US institutions are not trusted much at all, and churches are no exception, even among the religious. and the strain of Protestantism that dominates much of the US (Protestant, evangelical, low-church) holds that a relationship between a person and Jesus is extremely personal and does not need a church, pastor, etc. to mediate or form that relationship. so low church attendance, while plenty would say it's not great and people should go to church more, is not actually in contradiction with any dogma/doctrine about how someone's faith is built/managed.
Hidden_Talnoy@reddit
You just described my wife.
Knordsman@reddit
Yes
surloc_dalnor@reddit
Definitely. Also there are a number of studies that have shown that Americans lie in studies about how often they go to church.
mylocker15@reddit
That’s probably 75% of Christians. Especially these days when churches have gotten so toxic.
CarSignificant375@reddit
Tons of them.
nelsne@reddit
That's the majority of Christian's
IdeaMotor9451@reddit
I don't even go to church on Christmas and Easter.
ifallallthetime@reddit
That's the beauty of Catholicism. All you need is a confession and Last Rites at death and you're good to go
grawmpy@reddit
There are many here who claim Christian but are not affiliated with any churches. Most in my own family are like this.
A_WHIRLWIND_OF_FILTH@reddit
I don’t general have “church people” in my orbit, but I’ve known a few that do the Christmas service or celebrate Easter for the jesus part of it.
Emergency_Property_2@reddit
My wife is a Christian and never goes to church because as she sees it, churches have abandoned the teachings of Christ.
dararie@reddit
I identify as Catholic but rarely go to church
MovieAshamed4140@reddit
A church is a building nothing more nothing less. It is a place for like minded people to get together and show their same feelings and faith.
When I get together with my good friends to play cards I know their faith and they know mine no need to bring it up constantly. We are 3 Christians gathering in love, I think we are having Christian fellowship. Church goers get pretty righteous and forget "Judge not lest yea be judged"
CTeam19@reddit
Yes. I am one. I am still active in the community but hardly go to church. My parents pick me up the written sermon, as my church provides those to hard of hearing folks, I am not hard of hearing but I hate singing and all that jazz so I read the Pastor's Sermon and the Bible verses nearly every Sunday.
Accomplished_Mix7827@reddit
Not actually practicing your professed religion is incredibly common, the majority just tends to be a lot quieter than the vocal minorities of very religious people and anti-religious people. Most atheists also tend to be quiet about it, only a small minority make a big deal about it.
Avasia1717@reddit
my dad went through some stuff as a kid that made him dislike and distrust the church. still, he got married in one, and he went to mass now and then when my mom was alive. her funeral was in a church and my dad refused the eucharist.
even after all that he still proudly calls himself a catholic.
Future_Pin_403@reddit
My dad is catholic, baptized and all.
He’s never gone to church as long as I’ve been alive
andmen2015@reddit
Yes, I call them Christians In Name Only
Turbulent_Bullfrog87@reddit
Just about anyone can claim to be a Christian. Hardly ever going to church services doesn’t by definition mean that someone is not a Christian; attending church services religiously (for lack of a better word) likewise doesn’t mean that someone is really a Christian.
I (26f) am a lifelong practicing Catholic. I have never identified myself as anything else. I do my best to go to Mass every week. None of that is what makes me a Christian.
splorp_evilbastard@reddit
I started dating my wife 27 years ago. She considers herself Christian (raised Catholic). I'm an atheist (baptized as an infant in a Methodist church), and have been since I was a pre-teen.
We haven't been to a church the entire time I've known her. If she wants to go, she'd have to go by herself. She'd rather sleep in on the weekend.
slapdashbr@reddit
it's a meme that some peiple only show up on xmas and easter altho what I've noticed is that on big holidays, you get 100% attendance plus a few extra (usually relatives who are visiting) which will make our church feel crammed like sardines, a typical Sunday might have 1/3 to 1/2 of the members not present
DGlen@reddit
Most of them.
jgeoghegan89@reddit
I'm a Christian but I haven't been to church since covid started in 2020
lumpy1981@reddit
I think this is most Christians even in the US. Churches have all kinds of congregation/member shortages and mass is empty most Sundays.
Sensitive_Maybe_6578@reddit
Of course there is.
Dark_Web_Duck@reddit
I grew up going through the Catholic motions. That all stopped really once I left home at 17.
lacaras21@reddit
That's probably the most common self-identifying Christians in the country. As a regular church goer, it's amazing how much bigger our congregation seems to be on Easter than every other Sunday of the year.
For real though, if you're a Christian, go to church. Jesus gives you 168 hours every week, you can spend 1 of them at church.
NotSlothbeard@reddit
Definitely. Most of them haven’t set foot in a church in years.
Running_to_Roan@reddit
Hey now some of us also participate in Three Kings Day the Feast of Our Lady of Guatalupe as high holidays.
Fragrant_Spray@reddit
A bunch. I’m one of them. I was raised Christian, celebrate the regular holidays, but don’t attend church. I wouldn’t consider myself an atheist, but I’m effectively “non-religious”. If anyone asked about my religious background, though, I’d say Roman Catholic.
Remarkable_Table_279@reddit
We call those cultural Christians - and I think that the vast majority of rural towns in the south
msklovesmath@reddit
Absolutely! Remember "christian" includes catholic and protestant, but there is definitely a large gap between "culturally christian" and "practicing christian"
Call_Me_Anythin@reddit
We call them EACO Christian’s where I live. Easter And Christmas Only
Dry-Chicken-1062@reddit
We call them C and E people.
IrianJaya@reddit
Ah yes, half my family is this. Sharing a religious meme on facebook and then everyone responding with hearts and "Amen" is the closest thing they'll see of a church this year.
BottleTemple@reddit
Yep. Most Christians I know don’t attend church regularly.
ooooooooono@reddit
I am
Affectionate_Ruin_64@reddit
Yes. I am Catholic and have a very strong relationship with God. Because of what I believe He asks of me and of the Church being in direct opposition to the current stance on many issues, I do not attend mass.
Eduffs-zan1022@reddit
I’m an American Catholic like this lol work life balance is so hard to get the family all to get up for church on Sundays. I wish we could, but we go when we can and the church doesn’t shame us for it. The US has all the religions and all the various levels of adherence by people. We grew up going more but then this started happening when I was a teen, the work life balance sucks in the US honestly
ejjsjejsj@reddit
Tons of them
weedtrek@reddit
I would say it's about the same, it's just our religious folk are more obnoxious. Like baptism and evangelist are basically rogue religions that have no real greater body of oversight. Yes there is a "Baptist convention," but churches calling themselves baptists have zero obligation to join. Both just choose and pick their dogma to fit their political views, and both are large proponents of the money gospel (God awards those he loves the most, so rich people are in God's favor, or the opposite of what Christ said).
Effective_Stranger85@reddit
Absolutely! My parents were that way. My mom did eventually end up formally leaving the Catholic Church and never bothered finding a different denomination. My dad was nominally Baptist, but only went to church when he was actively forced to go. And even then he usually left the service early. He would absolutely tell you he’s Christian, but he loathed going to church.
ATLien_3000@reddit
Polling in this space is interesting.
I'd have to dig it up, but the trick is that (generally) among religious groups, Catholics and Jews are the most likely to culturally identify as members of that religion.
They may go to mass/services once a year, or maybe even only for weddings and funerals.
But in polling like this they still identify as Catholic or Jewish.
Protestant Christians are much less likely to do identify; if you're protestant and you haven't been to church in a year, you're reasonably likely to identify as non-religious.
Other_Bill9725@reddit
I would support a PEACETIME draft that would fill 10% of every billet in the US Military with conscripts, men and women would be equally likely to be drafted.
AbjectBeat837@reddit
Isn’t that special
ShakarikiGengoro@reddit
My family is catholic and but have not gone to church in the last 15 years for various reasons.
My parents don't go because they don't like the way the church has handled the molestation scandals. They also believe they don't need to go to be religious.
My grandma hasn't gone since the 80's or 90's because she got a divorce and she felt unwelcome.
My brothers and I just don't go because we were never made to go as kids. Our parents had us complete our first communion and then told us that it was our choice to choose our own religious path.
montanalifterchick@reddit
Yes! I'm a non-attending Methodist and my husband is a non-attending Catholic. He is more passionate about being Catholic as part of his identity but he doesn't go to Catholic church unless it's a wedding or a funeral. I grew up Methodist, and I go to church typically on Christmas and Easter. My parents are similar but one grew up Congregationalist and one grew up Lutheran, converting to Methodism as adults. My mom used to go regularly in her 30's and '40s.
Extension_Camel_3844@reddit
Baptized Episcopalian. Last time I was in Church was my now 26 year olds baptism. Oops.
keytoitall@reddit
I dunno about protestants but this is most catholics and jews in the northeast. Culturally Jewish or catholic but rarely (if ever) go to religious services. As a kid, they probably got confirmed or had a mitzvah but chances are their kids won't.
KWAYkai@reddit
I was ‘raided’ as catholic. Had first communion & confirmation, but my mom not took us to church on Easter.
SaintsFanPA@reddit
I'd wager that a majority of Christians in the US attend sporadically, at best.
Also, atheist =/= not religious. Atheism is basically the religion of "God/a god doesn't exist", complete with the most annoying aspects of dogmatic belief.
Felaguin@reddit
Quite a few fall into this category. Some people will disagree with the direction or teachings of their specific church or denomination but not know enough about other denominations (or have the initiative to visit around) and therefore pull away from regular attendance while not rejecting the faith itself. I for one found the pastor at my mother’s church to be annoying and offensive as she kept injecting her politics into her sermons; that pastor has since retired and the new one isn’t terribly inspiring but she isn’t annoying.
TopHatGirlInATuxedo@reddit
Grew up Catholic, stopped attending church when we left the Catholic school, though. Been a couple of times since, weddings and funerals and all that, but big groups of people aren't really my thing.
TrillyMike@reddit
Yup
Delicious-Badger-906@reddit
Definitely.
I don't go to church at all anymore, but when I did, we'd have like five times as many congregants at Christmas and Easter than normal Sundays.
orangesfwr@reddit
Probably about half of them.
FormerHoosier90@reddit
Agnostic
seaofthievesnutzz@reddit
Most church attending Christians don't go to Mass as they are protestant.
Ok-Selection4206@reddit
I pause on religious channels on Sundays looking for football. I figured that counts? Lutheran.
MeanTelevision@reddit
> never go to Mass except maybe for Christmas and Easter?
It's Catholics who have the obligation to go on those holy days; I don't think other branches of Christianity have that explicitly told them that is an obligation. I could be mistaken. Church of England adopted a lot of the former Catholic practices when Henry VIII changed it over.
messibessi22@reddit
lol were Catholics told that we have to go at minimum during those times? I thought it was just standard practice that people tend to show up for religious holidays.. when I was attending a Lutheran church for awhile Christmas and Easter were always packed compared to the other days
MeanTelevision@reddit
Easter Duty.
I have no idea what you were told or not told.
Not sure how to answer your question especially if it began with LOL.
messibessi22@reddit
lol sorry I just woke up and did zero clarification.. I’m Catholic and have never heard that rule. For a brief stint my family went to a Lutheran church and there was a similar pattern to the Catholic Church in that the church was packed during Easter and Christmas.. I thought it was just a thing that naturally happened because people wanted to feel closer to god on the holidays haha
RepeatFine981@reddit
I fit that description except that I don't go on Christmas or Easter either. Specifically, my attitude is that I don't go the rest of the year, why would I go on those days?
Organized religion (for the most part) is a business, getting rich by preying on emotion and weak people. Unpopular opinion, churches should be taxed just like the business they are.
OlderGamers@reddit
We used to go every week and I was part of the church’s security team. Then the pandemic hit and of course we stopped going. During that time we saw so many horrible social media posts from “Christians” that were evil and mean about others and in support of Trump. The MAGA “Christians” are so unlike Christ so we prefer to worship at home.
DragonSurferEGO@reddit
You can classify me as part of that statistic. I’m an Episcopalian but I’m not very happy with any of the churches around me. I used to regularly attend a church where I used to live. Instead of going to church now I do a weekend bible study for myself for 2 hours on Sundays.
glittervector@reddit
Well yeah. I don’t know how common it is around the country, but practice like that definitely occurred where I grew up. And in South Louisiana it’s basically the norm.
kdani17@reddit
When I was actively Catholic, we called them ChEasters because, as you said, they only came for Christmas and Easter. It got to a point before I left the church that the churches stopped making the times of their special holiday masses public because people who only went on holidays were crowding out the regular churchgoers who then couldn’t attend or enjoy their service.
Oceanbreeze871@reddit
I haven’t been to church in 20+ years and I wouldn’t identify as an atheist. I see church and belief as two completely separate things.
Lesbianfool@reddit
My parents, they haven’t been to church in 30+ years. I went once and never again
machagogo@reddit
Of course
OhLordyJustNo@reddit
I wasn’t baptized or grew up with any religion so always felt a bit left out while my friends were of doing religious milestones. When I married my nominally catholic husband we baptized our kids, I got them to Sunday school, etc while he slept In lol. They did first holy communion but when it came time for confirmation I let them decide if the wanted to go through with it and they all said no.
But I think the process was worth it because they have at least some idea of what it is about and had another social activity with their friends and school mates - in other words they were not the odd kid out.
andropogon09@reddit
There are many who consider church too much of a bother to attend (want their weekends free, don't want to dress up, would rather do other things on Sunday, etc.). There are also Christians who stay home because no church in town is good enough for them (wrong doctrine, not conservative enough, wrong music, don't like pastor, and so on).
flootytootybri@reddit
Yes. I call myself a Christmas and Easter Catholic
cakebreaker2@reddit
I'm a Christian (Methodist by early practice) and I haven't been to church in decades except for a wedding or two.
Comfortable-Study-69@reddit
Well, most evangelical christian denominations practice adult baptism, so I would expect them to have slightly better church attendance rates than baptized catholics, but yes, there are loads of non-devout Christians in the US that go to church extremely irregularly or not at all.
messibessi22@reddit
Yup it’s actually very very common. In fact the priest sometimes makes a joke about how just FYI they’re open on more than just Christmas and Easter.. I consider myself Catholic and I try to get to church at least once a month but it can be hard to even do that.. I’d say it’s the same for most Christians here
The_Craig89@reddit
Yes.
These people are called republicans
Spirited_Bill_8947@reddit
Well where I am from Catholics are not considered Christian so Christians don't go to Mass at all. That is a Catholic thing.
Inside_Ad9026@reddit
I learned last year that Catholics aren’t considered Christians by some. I still don’t understand why. Also, yeah, some Protestants have mass. This thread has also taught me a lot.
Spirited_Bill_8947@reddit
I think it has to do (where I am from) with the way they worship. They ask a man to forgive their sins. They pray to saints for help. Both those are against what is in the Bible. All their statues of dead saints and the Virgin Mary are seen as idol worship. They made 'graven images' of saints and pray to them. They go to confession and ask a man, an ordinary man, to go on their behalf as a representative to God for forgiveness of their sins. The Bible states (I am not looking up the exact words) that no man shall know God except he go through Jesus. So Catholics put a man in the place of Jesus.
I am a little iffy about how it all works as I have never been to a Catholic church. But that is how I understand it. A true Christian does not need someone to represent them as Jesus gave them a direct contact through himself.
Inside_Ad9026@reddit
That is very interesting. My great-grandparents were Catholic and I went to mass with them as a teenager but that was a very long time ago. I just “went to church” with them. Thanks for the explanation! I stopped going to church when I was 8 because of the rampant sexism. My parents are very religious but Lutheran. (:
LeadDiscovery@reddit
Yes, most.
Just like we're nearly all American's living here but only about 50% of us vote....
nightdares@reddit
I mean, there are plenty of denominations that never have a Mass, lol.
Equivalent_Success60@reddit
Yes...that describes most of Americans. In the African American community, we say we attend Bedside Baptist. That we are spiritual, but not religious. The Black Church was so instrumental in our community in terms of wealth, community building, school, medical services, and civil rights that it's hard to separate church from life. Whether it's Catholic or Protestant for Black churches so many times the focus is on the Black spiritual traditions (Gospel Mass is amazing) and Black social justice.
Mediocre_Daikon6935@reddit
We call them cresters.
Christmas and Easter attendees
lovelylinguist@reddit
Yes. Catholics call them Chreasters because the only times they attend church are Christmas and Easter.
tcrhs@reddit
I’m not religious anymore, but I grew up in a Southern Baptist Church. The church was always packed at Christmas and Easter.
The only time I ever go to church now is for a funeral or a wedding.
AgathaM@reddit
We refer to those people as C&E Christians (Christmas and Easter attendees).
There are a lot of people that are that way. Some of those people only attend those events because they grew up in the church and feel a need to attend during those particular times of year. Some people are driven from their churches by hypocrites or others that have taken their church in a direction that they no longer appreciate.
I used to attend church every week. I was in the choir. I taught Sunday school for the children. I was the highest ranked 'lay' person at the church at one point (committees, church hierarchy, filled in for the pastor when he was gone, etc.). I tithed both through time and offerings. And then some stuff happened that made me distance myself. Some of it was internal politics to the local church that soured me on participating in the governance of it. I still attended, but didn't lead. Then the greater church started becoming more and more conservative and I decided to distance myself from it as a whole.
I don't even go back for Christmas and Easter.
I fit your 'nominally Christian' title. I was baptized. I'm not sure I consider myself atheist. I was always pragmatic about my faith and the idea that a LOT of people get it all wrong. There are multiple paths to God and any one way isn't the only way.
integrating_life@reddit
My wife grew up this way. She said they were "submarine Catholics". They'd surface (attend mass) at Christmas and Easter. Very common.
hobokobo1028@reddit
Yes, that’s most American Catholics and maybe half of American Protestants. Many of my friends are “culturally Catholic”
amcjkelly@reddit
That would be me.
tonyisadork@reddit
Tons
strywever@reddit
We’re in the middle of a “great dechurching” of Americans. Churches have been losing massive numbers of members for some years now, as Americans reject organized religion. Many churches are going broke as a result. I heard a couple of pastors who wrote a book about this talking about it on NPR last year. It’s called The Great Dechurching, if you’re interested.
Fappy_as_a_Clam@reddit
That's me. Except I don't go to mass on Christmas or Easter either.
I just sat I was "raised Catholic" and let people go where they will from there. I dont care enough about any of it to explain any thing.
Eagle_Fang135@reddit
When I attended (as a kid) I remember there being a special early service on main worship days like Easter & Christmas. This information was provided to attendees in the weeks coming to that event. That was so the “regulars” could avoid the huge crowds of the “holiday” Christians. Additionally there was usually a later service added for the ones that came late.
I remember talk of people attending Mass at alternate times for the same reasons.
Muderous_Teapot548@reddit
My parents, sister, eldest daughter, and all my nieces and nephews meet this criterion. My household: husband, younger children, and I, are all atheists.
JohnMarstonSucks@reddit
I'm born-again non-denominational Protestant Christian. I haven't attended a church service in almost 10 years.
jonny300017@reddit
lol that’s most Christians in the US
mattcojo2@reddit
Plenty of people.
RosieHarbor406@reddit
Most of the Christians i know are exactly this.
InsertNovelAnswer@reddit
We have a term for them so yeah. We call them C and Es. (Christmas and Easter)
rawbface@reddit
Yes, that is literally most people I know.
Most Christians in Jersey are Catholic, and most Catholics are lapsed. My dad went to Catholic school, and I don't think he ever set foot in a church after he graduated, if it wasn't for a wedding or a funeral.
Longjumping_Wrap_810@reddit
That’s basically everyone I know (raised in New Jersey). It’s cultural for a lot of people in my experience. The intense Bible-thumping crazy Christians the US is becoming known for weren’t really prevalent at all during my upbringing. Even now that I live in another more southern state (Virginia), I don’t really know anyone like that. But alas, they are out there for sure
Strong_Arm8734@reddit
Most people claiming to be Christian haven't been in a church since their parents stopped making them go.
Rando1ph@reddit
Yeah, it's common, and I've never understood it. Either be Catholic or don't, the whole half assing it bothers me for some reason.
Brilliant-Mess-9870@reddit
Yes. I’m one of them. I was raised Catholic. In my adult life I have attended Catholic, Methodist and non-denominational churches. I stopped attending church when I saw the religious-right align so heavily with Trump. He is the antithesis of what I was raised to believe in the church. When religious people prostituted their beliefs to follow this idiot I was out. My faith remains but religion…no thanks.
NamingandEatingPets@reddit
Most people who don’t attend service of any kind at all, will identify as some kind of religion based on either how they were raised as children or what religion their parents are as if they inherited it or something.
Shadow_Lass38@reddit
Sure. I'm one, so is my husband.
My mom and dad called them "the three-times-a-year crowd": Christmas, Palm Sunday, and Easter.
Squish_the_android@reddit
A phrase you'll see thrown around in the Catholic Community for that is Cafeteria Catholics.
The ones who only show up for major holidays and just pick the beliefs they life. They're generally looked down upon by the more devote.
notadamnprincess@reddit
Weddings and funerals here. Occasionally Christmas but it’s been at least 10 years. I say my prayers but they don’t have to be in church to count.
Tir_na_nOg_77@reddit
What you see in the media and the reality of the situation are two different things. Very few people I know go to church for anything more than major hoildays like Christmas and Easter. I'm an atheist that basically only goes for weddings and funerals. Obviously, where you live is going to make a big difference. There's a big difference between Alabama and California in terms of religion and how big a part it plays in daily life.
shthappens03250322@reddit
No, the US is similar. The difference is there are so many Protestant denominations.
Patient_Number_4922@reddit
Seriously? Most people in the US are this.
MyUsername2459@reddit
Going by media depictions, especially foreign media depictions, you'd think that American Christians are all intense, militant fundamentalists.
I think that's where this question was coming from.
chernandez0617@reddit
Me, my German/Bavarian wife, MIL, and son
AllSoulsNight@reddit
Yep, because it's boring. Droning sermons, dirge music. Christmas and Easter are the only services with extra music and varying sermons. Moravians even give you coffee and buns.
Wafflebot17@reddit
That’s most of us
DarthMutter8@reddit
Lots. I'm one of them except I don't go on holidays either. I was raised Catholic but became disillusioned with it around my young teen years because of things like how abortion and gay rights are viewed. I'd like to go again for community but never found the right church. It's something I've been recently exploring.
Appropriate-Food1757@reddit
Yeah tons. I don’t even for Christmas or Easter. My family celebrates both but my kids have never been to a church except for weddings and funerals.
LikelyNotSober@reddit
My family is nominally Catholic. Not even holidays… just funerals. They make weddings and baptisms to difficult so nobody can be bothered with that anymore.
TheRealDudeMitch@reddit
That’s probably the vast majority
AMB3494@reddit
I think that’s called Non practicing Christians here. I consider myself one and I would say most people I know are similar
Bluemonogi@reddit
Sure. Lots of people consider themselves Christian and only attend church a few times a year if at all.
OldBat001@reddit
Most Christians in this country don't go to church.
Heck, most don't even practice the tenets of Christianity from what I've observed.
sgtm7@reddit
Are you asking about Christians or about Catholics? All Catholics are Christian, but not all Christians are Catholic. Mass is a term, primarily used by Catholics.
Ule24@reddit
Creasters
RogerTMiles@reddit
I grew up in the Bible Belt with tons of fundamentalist churches in the area. To add some perspective to what others have said, if every self-proclaimed Christian in my hometown decided to go to church on Sunday morning there wouldn’t be enough churches to hold them.
Also there are plenty of church-going Christians who go each week mainly to socialize.
redditreader_aitafan@reddit
I don't think most Christians in the US are Catholic so mass is irrelevant for most of us but yes, there are plenty of Christians who believe but do not regularly attend church services.
bitch-in-real-life@reddit
My mother is a "Christian" and I haven't seen her in a church since I was in like 3rd grade. She doesn't even go on holidays.
ImportantSir2131@reddit
Lutheran. If I am on vacation on a Sunday, I don't try to find a church.
dinkeydonuts@reddit
My partner considers herself a Christian and never goes to church. She’s spiritual, believes and prays, but thinks churches are corrupt.
Iojpoutn@reddit
Yes, this is basically the default American. At this point, Christianity in the US is more of an overall worldview and set of social/political opinions than a religion they actively practice.
Lazy-Fox-2672@reddit
My mom’s entire family claims to be Christian but they only go to church for funerals.
Tacoshortage@reddit
Yes.
We are called the CME group. Christmas, Mother's Day and Easter. I'm a terrible Christian.
nylondragon64@reddit
I was baptized but never go to church nor claim to be Vatican Christian.
kgxv@reddit
That’s most Christians
Canukeepitup@reddit
Yep. That’s most people in this country
CaptainAwesome06@reddit
That probably describes most Christians in the US. Claiming to be Christian while not following anything Jesus actually preached is like the cornerstone of Christian Republicans. It's the loudest ones that are the most un-Christian.
According to a Gallup poll, about 44% of protestants and nondenominational Christians regularly attend services. 33% of Catholics do.
To put it in perspective, 20% of Americans identify as Catholic while 40% identify as Protestant. "Mass" is what you'd call a Catholic service. Protestants don't call it that.
pinniped90@reddit
There are millions of them. They would describe themselves as nominally religious or perhaps agnostic.
emr830@reddit
It feels like most people that identify as Christian around me don’t regularly go to church/mass.
Number-2-Sis@reddit
I am Christian, I don't attend church, ever, last time I was in a church was six years ago for a wedding. I believe churches are a man made construct and have nothing to do with God... God is not bound by the walls of a building.
Real-Psychology-4261@reddit
Tons of them. The majority, actually.
Tough_Tangerine7278@reddit
Yes; many
ViolentWeiner@reddit
Pretty much every Christian I know is like this. But also I'm Jewish so the more devout Christians might also just not hang out with me
Paverunner@reddit
Yeah. Me and the ex. We only ever went on Christmas and Easter, and that’s because her mom was in the choir.
I’m sorry, but I have better things to do on my Sunday than sit and sing gods praises. I believe. Faith alone should be enough.
PremeTeamTX@reddit
Ayo 👋
JoyfulNoise1964@reddit
Loads of them
Separate-Swordfish40@reddit
We call these C & E Catholics. They show up twice a year on holidays with extended family and churches overflow.
SeparateMongoose192@reddit
Sure. My son considers himself Catholic but doesn't really practice.
Torchic336@reddit
I know passionate Christians that never go to church.
LegitimateBeing2@reddit
Yes, most of them.
Wolfman1961@reddit
Most Christians fit the "nominally Christian" description. There is a higher percentage of church attendance in the South, though.
Most Jews fit the "nominally Jewish" description.
andmewithoutmytowel@reddit
Sometimes they’re called CEOs, Christmas and Easter Only. It’s a large percentage.
Spud8000@reddit
yes, of course. you get into lazy habits.
yogafitter@reddit
People say they’re Christian a lot to avoid the judgey judgey from admitting they are atheists or agnostics
Szaborovich9@reddit
Your description sounds like the majority
MortimerDongle@reddit
Only about half of Americans who consider themselves religious regularly attend services.
There are also people who don't consider themselves religious but do identify with a religion culturally - lapsed Catholics, non-practicing Jews, cultural Christians, etc
ChannellingR_Swanson@reddit
Yes, it’s actually different in the US where the majority probably couldn’t identify with a specific branch of Christianity and kinda make it up themselves as they go along kind of like everyone is their own mini pope with the exception that no one has actually made a study of what’s in the Bible.
Kevo_1227@reddit
We call them Christmas and Easter Christians
Drachenfuer@reddit
Yes. I am pretty religious as it pertains and affects myself and my actions and beliefs. But also every church or organized religion I have come across has doctrines or practices I don’t agree with or don’t believe in. So I practice my own way in my own time. My husband, seperetly from me, has come to the same conclusion.
External-Prize-7492@reddit
lol.
My dude. That’s every Christian here.
Word2DWise@reddit
Yeah, I’m one of them.
Brilliant_Towel2727@reddit
Yes, they're actually known colloquially as Christmas and Easter Christians.
Caranath128@reddit
That’s about 85% of self proclaimed Christians.
davdev@reddit
99.9% of the Catholics in New England fit this description
legendary_mushroom@reddit
SO MANY. But because there are so many protestant churches here, many people tend to think of "Catholic" and "Christian" as 2 separate categories. Both categories have "Easter Christians." For the protestants that would be someone who goes to church (not Mass) on Easter but probably not Christmas.
Glad-Cat-1885@reddit
That’s most of them I feel like
soulsista04us@reddit
I'm Christian. I haven't been to church in over 20 years.
BluRobynn@reddit
I think what you are saying is that you were Christian 20 years ago.
soulsista04us@reddit
Nope. I'm still Christian.
BluRobynn@reddit
Obviously not.
resiyun@reddit
That’s like most of them lol
Adorable-Growth-6551@reddit
We call them Christers
Lovebeingadad54321@reddit
“Cultural Christian” is the name for these people.
LukasJackson67@reddit
Me
SpaceCadetBoneSpurs@reddit
This is very common. In my case, my church started to drift too far away from mainline Protestantism and too close the evangelical camp for my liking, which has been a common occurrence in America since the evangelical boom of the 1980s. But, we will still attend on major holidays to appease senior members of our family.
My church formerly emphasized the concepts of Christian love, patience, and forgiveness. Basically, the main topics of discussion now are: abortion is bad, gay people are bad, and certain politicians are bad.
Not interested.
Carlpanzram1916@reddit
I mean yeah that’s like 75% of Christian’s. Church attendance is lower than it’s ever been. I believe the term is “non-practicing.”
makethebadpeoplestop@reddit
I am an "Officially rejected" in those stats, but if I don't want an argument, I just say I am a "recovering Catholic"
BluRobynn@reddit
Oh yeah.
I think Americans feel some obligation to subsribe to a religion because we have a right to subscribe to relegion, but it isn't fun. Nobody enjoys participating, so many just don't.
Educational-Sundae32@reddit
Yeah, a large chunk of people are nominal Christians.
abirdreads@reddit
CEOs. Christmas and Easter only.
Maleficent_Pea3314@reddit
My entire family stopped attending even once a year when they started a collection round for legal fees! Legal fees! Well we all knew what legal troubles the Church was having at that time. It was a big FU to the entire community and its victims to ask us to pay for their illegal cover up of such disgusting crimes.
I’ve been an atheist since I was a teenager, old enough to acknowledge that I not only was not Catholic but understood it was all a scam. But my parents now reaching 80 years old were so wounded and devastated, I felt really bad for them. My nieces and nephews are baptized, but there will never be any holy communion or confirmation ceremony among them. They are essentially being raised non-denominational, they vaguely acknowledge that there’s a higher power. But I’m not allowed to have any type of conversation that involves religion with them or in their presence. It’s like Atheism is catchable. 😂
MrLongWalk@reddit
Yes, that’s probably the most common variety of Christian in the country.
cozy_pantz@reddit
The gets most of the country
Sleepygirl57@reddit
Tons. That’s the norm actually.
RonMcKelvey@reddit
There are also lots of attending Christians who only nominally practice the teachings, and churches that have been co-opted with politics that are totally opposite the teachings of Jesus.
Cookie_Monstress@reddit
Additional question to ones who are just formally religious:
What’s your take on that ‘In god we trust’, ‘God bless America’ etc. which seems to be still quite prominent in US from European pov (I’m from a very secular country where ones religion is also seen very private matter.)
bmiller201@reddit
This is super common. I was baptized as a baby but my parents never made us go to church. (The churches in my area are super conservative). They found that we had such busy schedules that taking 2-4 hours out of a Sunday when we were already out of thr house all day Saturday was too much and didn't give us enough free time. Also the churches in our area had hierarchies based on how much you tithe and how many committees you were on.
Synensys@reddit
You needed to get in on my cousins catholic church. Bot only was the mass generally an hour or so but on Sunday morning they had a mass that cut out the singing and long homilies and such and just went with the basics.
Smart_Engine_3331@reddit
Yes. Tons. We are not all hardcore Christian or Atheists. There are a lot of casual Christians who mostly just go to church on major holidays and dont pay much attention to religion on the average day.
FROG123076@reddit
Shit ton.
OldCompany50@reddit
Cultural christians
pfta4@reddit
Yes that is a lot of folks in all sorts of religions in this country. Tons.
azuth89@reddit
Many, yes.
EffectiveNew4449@reddit
Yes, it's pretty common. For years this was my immediate family until my mom decided to become a Catholic. My grandparents and all my cousins are hardline Protestants, clergy, etc however.