Aid workers killed in Israeli air strike in Gaza, charity tells BBC
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The__Hivemind_@reddit
Here's a friendly reminder that russia's imperialist invasion of Ukraine, conducted by an oligarchic dictator who doesn't care about human life has killed 4 times less civilians that this so called "most moral army" in the world despite the war in gaza starting in 2023 and the war in Ukraine a year prior.
Winter_Result_8734@reddit
That’s because Russia and Ukraine are fighting each other with their militaries.
Israhell is just carpet bombing children and slaughtering the pregnant and elderly. But oh well gotta watch out to not be anti Zionist or anti Jew
The__Hivemind_@reddit
Mmm sweetie. It's called: The most moral carpet bombing in the world
moonorplanet@reddit
Russia is fighting the war in the 'eastern style' while Israel is fighting it in the 'western style'. During the 2003 Invasion of Iraq that lasted a total of 42 days, the total civilian death toll was some 7200.
TheGreatJingle@reddit
It might have to do more with the op
The__Hivemind_@reddit
Literally not true.
gerkletoss@reddit
Please elaborate
The__Hivemind_@reddit
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/08/ukraine-ukrainian-fighting-tactics-endanger-civilians/
gerkletoss@reddit
This is just reporting about the first month or two where Ukraine hadn't established a front yet, and even then there were evacuation efforts
The__Hivemind_@reddit
Unlike Palestine, whose 75% of the population totally hasn't fled the country completely. And what if they hadn't established a front yet? That doesn't mean shit. It doesn't say "civilians are endangered in Ukraine". It says "Ukrainian tactics endanger civilians". Which there is no justification for. Despite that, Russia, who shouldn't have invaded, has killed less civilians in a larger time period, than this made up nation, that has no right to be on this planet. I think it's called isn'treal or something
gerkletoss@reddit
You were saying the difference wasn't because Ukraine was not behaving differently from Palestine and now you're it's unfair to say that Ukraine really has behaved differently from Palestine
The__Hivemind_@reddit
The primary thing is that Israel is behaving different than Russia. EVEN THO Ukraine has endangered civilians more than Palestine, isn'treal has managed to kill more civilians despite having a shorter time frame to do so and less population to target. That isn't really a good thing for Russia since nobody should be targeting civilians in the first place, and we know that Russia has targeted civilians. But. What I'm trying to say is this: Russia has targeted civilians, in a war that has lasted longer than the war in gaza, against an enemy which has used questionable tactics and has a larger population. Despite that Isn'treal has managed to kill more people
gerkletoss@reddit
That isn't actually true
The__Hivemind_@reddit
It's literally true
RogerianBrowsing@reddit
Yes, but not for a lack of trying. Both Russia and the Russia of the Middle East are genocidal imperialist nations.
Russia is just fighting against a country with advanced weaponry capable of defending against much of their long range weapons attacks, whereas Israel is fighting against a concentration camp turned death camp that has a militia primarily armed with rifles and homemade RPGs defending it
The__Hivemind_@reddit
Who is Russia of the middle East? Also Russia very clearly has access to weapons of mass destruction. Even missiles which Ukraine admitted to not being able to intercept or detect.
RogerianBrowsing@reddit
I thought it was obvious, Israel.
… And? So does Israel.
Hypersonic missiles be like that. They’re also extraordinarily expensive and have minimal payloads if not nuclear
The__Hivemind_@reddit
I know Israel has access to wmds. The thing is that they have been using it like confetti. I still think that Russia is able to cause as much collateral damage as Israel if it wanted to. The original comment I left here wasn't really to justify Russia, I was just trying to point out that people on the right are inconsistent when it comes to those conflicts.
RogerianBrowsing@reddit
I can’t imagine still believing that Russia can wipe out the entirety of Ukraine at the same rate as Israel after the Russian 3 day SMO turned into 3 years of attrition warfare.
Israel also doesn’t use WMDs. They’re committing genocide, ethnic cleansing, are an apartheid ethnostate, etc., but Israel isn’t using WMDs.
The__Hivemind_@reddit
They can't wipe the entire of Ukraine. But they can kill a lot of people. Also aren't missiles wmds?
RogerianBrowsing@reddit
Almost the entirety of Gaza was destroyed
And no, missiles aren’t WMDs if they use conventional explosives. WMDs typically refers to atomic, nuclear, and chemical weapons. By that standard Russia has been regularly targeting Ukranian cities with WMDs.
Israel also uses very few missiles, they do most of their destruction from afar with dropped bombs/glide bombs which tend to have much greater payloads than missiles can carry. The 500, 1000, and 2000lb thermobaric bombs do plenty of destruction without needing WMDs.
Significant-Sky3077@reddit
The hilarious thing is no matter what level of hyperbole you use, you will find someone who is using even more insane hyperbole and willing to argue you to death over it.
That's what happens when you value ideology over truth.
RogerianBrowsing@reddit
92% of all housing in Gaza is either destroyed or severely damaged.
https://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/latest/destruction-homes-leaves-palestinians-unable-safely-return-rafah#:~:text=After%20more%20than%2015%20months,scale%2Dup%20of%20humanitarian%20aid.
Speak for yourself. It’s incredibly hypocritical coming from a genocide denier no less.
Significant-Sky3077@reddit
Again - when this hasn't been proven at all. At best you can say there is a severe concern of genocide occurring, or strong indications that it is occurring, you can't say it is occurring definitively.
RogerianBrowsing@reddit
I trust human rights watch, amnesty, the ICC/ICJ, Doctors Without Borders, my own eyes and ability to use reason, etc., far more than I do ignorant hypocrites on Reddit who can’t even acknowledge when their insulting vitriol was wrong after being corrected. Thanks.
By your logic the holocaust wasn’t a genocide either until after the court hearings had finished and that’s patently absurd.
Be better.
Significant-Sky3077@reddit
Did you actually just mention the ICJ again?
The ICJ that literally put out the stance I mentioned above?
As I mentioned in my initial statement and I'm going to say in other words. If you purvey brainrot instead of facts, don't be surprised when the brainrot escalates to level you cannot control.
RogerianBrowsing@reddit
This is so dumb on so many different levels. Public opinion and common sense doesn’t require multiple year long court cases. The facts are already out there.
Do you also think OJ didn’t murder her? 😂😂😂
God, imagine being that dumb and incapable of critical thinking 😂
Significant-Sky3077@reddit
Contrary to facts and logic?
Is the claim that 50,000 Palestinians starved to death one that aligns with facts and logic and one you still stand by?
RogerianBrowsing@reddit
That was a preliminary reported number, it’s likely greater. Palestinians have lost an average of 18kg since the start of the genocide and their caloric intake was already regulated by Israel before then.
Have fun searching through my comments like a shameful hypocrite instead of addressing anything said.
I hope you get back everything that you put into the world, hypocrite.
Significant-Sky3077@reddit
Good thing you stand by your comment, that's some integrity at least.
Too bad you don't understand facts, nor logic. Continue to be surprised at other people rejecting it on your side. The rest of us, not so much.
RogerianBrowsing@reddit
This is so dumb on so many different levels. Public opinion and common sense doesn’t require multiple year long court cases. The facts are already out there.
Do you also think OJ didn’t murder her? 😂😂😂
God, imagine being that dumb and incapable of critical thinking 😂
Even funnier that you’re out there being a genocide denier, likely also an apartheid and ethnic cleansing denier, while accusing others of brain rot. You’ve already come to a conclusion but the one that goes contrary to fact and logic
Also, saying decapitated babies, babies in ovens, babies hung from clotheslines, mass rape, etc., didn’t exist isn’t being a denier of anything. None of that is proven to have happened, NONE of it. In fact most of it has been explicitly disproven. Yet somehow you’re confident those happened despite no proof, no court hearings proving it, and only highlights your hypocrisy? Way to prove that you take the word of known liars at face value despite being shown to be false but anything that verifiably criticizes those liars is false.
Yeah, i look down on genocide denying hypocrites. For good reason.
Significant-Sky3077@reddit
Facts and logic like 50K Palestinians starved to death.
Facts and logic like denial of Hamas snipers against Palestinian people..
Go off queen, maybe you'll get it right on the third try.
The__Hivemind_@reddit
Alright. I get it, no wmds. But, what is the point you are trying to make
RogerianBrowsing@reddit
That Russia and the Russia of the Middle East, Israel, are both equally evil governments. Israel just has a much easier time with their genocide because a concentration camp militia without any appreciable foreign military aid can’t defend their territory as well as Ukraine can.
The__Hivemind_@reddit
I know
RogerianBrowsing@reddit
Okay, so you then understand why I would reply what I did to a comment saying that Russia killed fewer civilians than Israel… right?
The__Hivemind_@reddit
No? It is the reality (according to information currently available to us)
BackseatCowwatcher@reddit
Guy, you do know Russia killed nearly 90,000 civilians in Mariupol alone, right? And that even Hamas’s most inflated estimates for the whole Gaza conflict don’t breach 50,000 even after the fuckery of counting soldiers as civilians- right?
The__Hivemind_@reddit
Guy, you know that according to Ukraine and the United nations only 12.000 civilians have died?
flastenecky_hater@reddit
That's the number of deaths that has been confined. The real numberd are going to be way way different. Also, countless children have been kidnapped to russia.
You can't really get the right numbers if you can't access almost third of the country to verify it
Unlike hamas, that doesn't even give a shit about verification and just puts some high number, often ignoring the terrorist deaths and labeling them as civilians. And suddenly, Hamas is brave enough to wear their uniforms which they happily ditch everything the real fighting comes.
The__Hivemind_@reddit
What hamas? It's literally on the Wikipedia page. Wiki is hamas now? Nice one.
cultish_alibi@reddit
That's really cool how you make an article about the death of aid workers in Gaza into an opportunity to support Russia.
The__Hivemind_@reddit
Me:... Russias imperialist invasion, conducted by an oligarchic dictator who doesn't care about human life...
.You: Damn, this guy is supporting Russia! There is no way that he is simply pointing out the inconsistency in right wing beliefs
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
Please don’t confront him with the truth! He has to lie to try to downplay Israel’s atrocities.
Rift3N@reddit
Comparing a conventional army with western air defence systems to ragtag militias in flip flops, very cool and totally not a bad faith argument
Theamazingquinn@reddit
Its true, the fewer defenses your enemy has, the more chance you have to massacre their women and children!
The__Hivemind_@reddit
Lol what army? We are talking about civilians here. Also, Russia has pretty much, infinite heavy ordnance, unlike Israel who doest have that many missiles
Rift3N@reddit
The army that can shoot down at least some of the drones and missiles attacking cities every day, moron. The only reason Kyiv or Lviv don't look like Toretsk, Bakhmut, Marinka and other flattened Donbas cities is because of air defence and because Russia doesn't actually have "infinite heavy ordnance" and can only blast a limited amount of targets each time
860v2@reddit
Thats only because Ukraine doesn’t use its own people and infrastructure as human shields.
redelastic@reddit
Defending the killing of innocents again. I mean, I hope you're getting paid for this. Ghoul.
The__Hivemind_@reddit
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/08/ukraine-ukrainian-fighting-tactics-endanger-civilians/. Think again
Xvi_G@reddit
Ukraine didn't build its martial infrastructure under its civilian population
The__Hivemind_@reddit
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/08/ukraine-ukrainian-fighting-tactics-endanger-civilians/. Think again
Xvi_G@reddit
I'll acknowledge. But the degree of difference between having the entirety of your frontline in and under locations as densely populated as Gaza city and khan younis will have obviously different outcomes
soyyoo@reddit
Hamas is a 35 year old organization retaliating 70+ years of r/israelcrimes horrific acts of genocide on 🇵🇸 land
Hamas is a worldwide movement at this point
The__Hivemind_@reddit
What Ukraine did and what you think hamas did is literally the same
Xvi_G@reddit
Which means it's a discussion of prevalence and degree
Fantastic-String5820@reddit
The jews in warsaw did
redelastic@reddit
A reminder that Israel has killed the most aid workers, journalists and healthcare workers in history.
And that the BBC is also complicit in covering up Israel's war crimes in Gaza.
Winter_Result_8734@reddit
Speak louder man never be quiet about this
CastleElsinore@reddit
Hamas can't say no to a ceasefire, or the continuing of one, and then claim that the other side is in violation of a ceasefire that hamas itself declined
Israel offered to extend it through Ramadan, but hamas said no. So there is no ceasefire right now
RogerianBrowsing@reddit
This is completely false, but hasbarists seemingly can’t bring themselves to be honest. Probably because they would have to admit that Israel is in the wrong over and over again.
Israel wasn’t following the ceasefire the entire time so all Hamas did was say they weren’t going to uphold all of their responsibilities under the ceasefire until Israel would hold up their end. Israel killed hundreds of Palestinian civilians during the “ceasefire” too, it just slowed down much of the mass bombing. Israel has also resumed starving/dehydrating/cutting of medicine from all of Gaza, regardless of how the average Palestinian already lost roughly 18kg (ie ~40lb) due to the genocidal blockade when their caloric intake was being restricted for years.
Lying on behalf of genocidal fascists to victim blame is genuinely shameful.
CastleElsinore@reddit
Hamas didn't uphold the ceasefire for a single day
They screwed around at every opportunity, launched rockets, and made the hostages into theater.
But you know, it's just Israelis and jews, so you don't care about that as long as your terrorist bffs look good
RogerianBrowsing@reddit
Lies and accusemitism, how predictable
🥱
soyyoo@reddit
Hamas is a 35 year old organization retaliating 70+ years of r/israelcrimes horrific acts of genocide on 🇵🇸 land
Hamas is a worldwide movement at this point
RogerianBrowsing@reddit
Genuinely one of the most ignorant things I’ve seen said in a while.
Congrats on being exceptionally ignorant, even by hasbara standards
soyyoo@reddit
Yet you can’t dispute 70+ years of r/israelcrimes on 🇵🇸 land
RogerianBrowsing@reddit
Sorry, I misread it while waking up. Yes, you’re right.
Hamas isn’t a worldwide movement though. That’s the argument the fascists are using to justify imprisoning pro-Palestine protesters
soyyoo@reddit
I mean, those international boycotts and protests align with Hamas values
Significant-Sky3077@reddit
Glad you admit that at least.
memester314@reddit
Hey how many Palestinian children died during the ceasefire?
CastleElsinore@reddit
Kids? Not sure, total people?
Just over one hundred.
But you clearly don't have a problem with the 8mo and 4yo that were strangled and then had their coffins paraded, which also happened during the ceasefire.
That hamas didn't uphold for a single day.
Meanwhile, in that two weeks about 6mo worth of food went into the strip
memester314@reddit
First you don't know me or what i believe.i find mama's abhorrent when they did this.
second I could say you don't have a problem with the pages of children killed during the past few years and before that. Just recently a child was shot and the IOF can't tell you why.
StarRotator@reddit
Nice conflation between Hamas and aid workers.
That's bullshit btw. Israel refused the latest ceasefire extension proposal after weeks of chokeholding aid going into Gaza and perpetually breaching the ceasefire conditions.
Have some goddamn shame
CastleElsinore@reddit
From Reuters
The siege didn't start until after the ceasefire was over. You know, the one that hamas didn't want to extend
Patient-Mulberry-659@reddit
Why do they need a new ceasefire they already agreed to a two stage ceasefire?
soyyoo@reddit
Hamas is a 35 year old organization retaliating 70+ years of r/israelcrimes horrific acts of genocide on 🇵🇸 land
Hamas is a worldwide movement at this point
StarRotator@reddit
Oh, guess it's alright then, Hamas refused a condition two weeks ago and the IOF only started FULLY starving Palestinian civilians back then...
I guess suddenly that means Bibi has been negotiating in good faith and totally respected all the ceasefire conditions... Oh. Wait. No it doesn't. It doesn't change a fucking thing about what I said.
You suck at doing Hasbara.
soyyoo@reddit
Israhell*
adasiukevich@reddit (OP)
Does that make killing aid workers and journalists okay?
CastleElsinore@reddit
Please point to where I said that
adasiukevich@reddit (OP)
That's what the article is about.
CastleElsinore@reddit
The article quotes hamas saying the air strike was a ceasefire violation.
The ceasefire ended two weeks ago, specifically because hamas didn't want to extend it.
You can't be in violation of a ceasefire that doesn't exist
adasiukevich@reddit (OP)
Interesting way of looking at it.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hamas-release-american-hostage-gaza-ready-second-phase-ceasefire-talks-2025-03-14/
Pklnt@reddit
Airstrike kills Aid workers
Israeli bots: QUICK, let's find something to blame on Hamas/Palestinians so we can change the subject!
flastenecky_hater@reddit
Maybe don't walk into a fucking war zone would be a nice idea, especially that kind of war zone where ordnance drops left and right whenever a terrorist shows up.
It's like walking into Lions den and being surprised you ended up as a dinner.
CastleElsinore@reddit
Yep. Thats literally what it says.
adasiukevich@reddit (OP)
CastleElsinore@reddit
Yep. And four bodies. And they want the same number of convicted terrorists back for the dead bodies as they do live hostages.
Meanwhile, only about 20 of the remaining 64 hostages are still alive.
Hamas wants to give up the Americans in hope that it will placate trump and he can get distracted by other things
adasiukevich@reddit (OP)
"convicted terrorists" they are literally jailed without charge.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67600015
I wonder why that is.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-hostage-yossi-sharabi-was-likely-killed-as-a-result-of-idf-strike/
https://www.npr.org/2023/12/15/1219695220/israel-soldiers-mistakenly-kill-hostages-gaza
https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-819506
860v2@reddit
Because Hamas killed them.
CastleElsinore@reddit
Try again, there are a lot of people serving multiple life sentences for murder and terrorism
Also, you can't say Israel is the one killing the hostages when Palestinians literally strangled two babies to death with their bare hands.
Plus the 6 (including an American) that they shot point blank in Raffa
Zoetekauw@reddit
Yeah who cares about proof when you can just come back with "try again"?
CastleElsinore@reddit
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/18/world/middleeast/palestine-prisoners-release-israel-hamas-ceasefire.html?smid=nytcore-android-share
Khalida Jarrar One of the most prominent Palestinian prisoners expected to be released as early as Sunday is Khalida Jarrar, 62, a leader in the left-wing Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine.
Wissam Abbasi, Mohammad Odeh and Wael Qassim Wissam Abbasi, 48, Mohammad Odeh, 52, and Wael Qassim, 54, were jailed in 2002 on accusations of carrying out Hamas attacks against Israelis during the Second Intifada. According to Israel’s justice ministry, the three men were given life sentences for murder and a string of other crimes.
According to contemporary Israeli media reports, the men were among several convicted of being involved in a Hamas cell in Jerusalem that was responsible for a string of bombings that killed over 30 Israelis in crowded civilian areas.
The attacks included a Hamas bombing at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem that killed nine people, including five U.S. citizens, according to the Israeli authorities.
Zakaria Zubeidi Over the past two decades, Zakaria Zubeidi, 49, has been a militant, a theater director, and an escaped prisoner whose flight stunned Israelis and Palestinians alike.
The list goes on.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/01/us/hersh-goldberg-polin-death-mourning-us.html?smid=nytcore-android-share
Murder of Hersh Goldberg Polin in Raffa
It's not like any if this wasn't news.
CastleElsinore@reddit
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjry3jzedl1o
He said evidence had been shared with Israel's "partners around the world so they can verify it".
Murders of the Bibas babies
redthrowaway1976@reddit
So you blame Hamas for sticking to the agreeement, but don’t blame Israel for reneging on the second face?
CastleElsinore@reddit
Reading. Comprehension.
I said there isn't a ceasefire right now, specifically because hamas declined it.
Each side is responsible for their own violations during the ceasefire, but it ended more then two weeks ago. I blame hamas for the reason there isn't one right now
redthrowaway1976@reddit
Or, alternatively, there isnt a ceasefire because Israel decided it didn’t want the second stage, so reneged on previous agreement.
As per usual, israel ignoring commitments it has agreed to.
CastleElsinore@reddit
The 2nd stage takes time to negotiate. That's why there was supposed to be an extension.
soyyoo@reddit
Hamas is a 35 year old organization retaliating 70+ years of r/israelcrimes horrific acts of genocide on 🇵🇸 land
Hamas is a worldwide movement at this point
TheHoboRoadshow@reddit
Ergo everyone is fair game for Israel?
CastleElsinore@reddit
Show me where I said that
TheHoboRoadshow@reddit
If there is an story about a cat killing a dog, and I reply with "well the mice broke their ceasefire with the cats so... 🤷"
Either I'm a bot who speaks in non-sequiturs, or I'm a coherent human being and mean that the dog's death is the fault of the mice. When, any real person with thought processes would figure that it's probably the cat who killed the dog who's mostly at fault.
You are very disingenuous, or you are a complete moron so I used animals to help you understand.
CastleElsinore@reddit
I pointed out that hamas can't say "you violates a ceasefire" when there is no ceasefire because they said no to one
That doesn't justify war crimes. It's just a fact.
adasiukevich@reddit (OP)
So do you condemn Israel killing these aid workers then?
CastleElsinore@reddit
At least two of 8 were terrorists. So I'm not going to shed a tear for terrorists, and understand why the strike happened but yes, I absolutely think killing aid workers is wrong.
Do you think Palestinians killing Israelis is wrong?
Ala117@reddit
How to detect a lie 101
CastleElsinore@reddit
I see you missed the part I literally quoted about "sending evidence"
But to you jews = lies, so I don't expect reading comprehension
Ala117@reddit
Yeah like that "khamas calendar" you panties sniffing iof "sent as evidence" as well?
In your own words, please point to where I said that.
Fantastic-String5820@reddit
Thank Moses for global warming
redthrowaway1976@reddit
Can you point to a single day during the ceasefire when no Palestinian was killed?
CastleElsinore@reddit
Going day by day, most of them.
There were a few outliers, but even the pro-pal sources I'm looking at for specific dates all say 2024 not 2025
So... many of them. Although the kid that was killed by hamas rocketfire I consider a hamas casualty
Drab_Majesty@reddit
Have some shame...
robot2243@reddit
Hasbara bingo: Palestinians are lying. If it happened it’s because Hamas used aid workers as human shields. If it wasn’t human shield scenario then final excuse is it’s war, this happens.
OptimisticRealist__@reddit
I mean, is that a lie tho?
Travelling into an active warzone, for whatever intention, is very dangerous and risky because, well, the active warzone being an active warzone.
adasiukevich@reddit (OP)
It's not an active warzone, there's supposed to be a ceasefire in place. And even then targeting aid workers is a war crime.
TheOtherwise_Flow@reddit
They also killed a Canadian when they targeted world kitchen, after they knew the path they were going to take. Shame on Israel.
cutwordlines@reddit
they don't have shame - only perpetual outrage and a culture of victimhood
OptimisticRealist__@reddit
It was an airstrike that happened to also kill this person. Arguing that this was a targeted execution when talking about an airstrike is an entirely futile exercise.
So i repeat: is it tragic? Obviously. The entire damn war is tragic. But people being surprised that civilians die in wars just shows how coddled and protected edgy western teens have grown up, that they cant grasp that war is terrible. Shocking revelation, i know.
Fantastic-String5820@reddit
Why are you guys crying about Hamas still then?
It's just war bro
OptimisticRealist__@reddit
What are you waffling about?
Hamas started this war. Hamas couldve ended it months ago.
Obviously the ideal would be no war at all. Since the war was started by Hamas, unfortunately, war also entails civlian suffering and casualties - something, thats been true for the entire history of mankind.
rowida_00@reddit
Why do you people insist on failing abysmally at contextualizing this genocidal campaign, not war, within the scope of the reality of Israel’s decades long and unlawful brutal military occupation Hamas started this illegal occupation? It’s quite bizarre how you frame it like October the 7th happened in some vacuum where Palestinians were living in peace, not an open air prison with periodic airstrikes.
860v2@reddit
Now do Palestinian suicide bombings and other terrorist attacks.
rowida_00@reddit
Palestinians living under an apartheid rule as part of a decades long brutal military occupation you mean?
860v2@reddit
No, I’m talking about the Palestinians terrorist attacks during the first and second intifada.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_suicide_attacks
rowida_00@reddit
Under what circumstances did the first and second intifada take place? What were the intifadas to begin with? What were they uprising against? Are you really going to sit there and pretend that the largest nonviolent protests in the first intifada violently suppressed by Israel?
860v2@reddit
🥴
rowida_00@reddit
One could argue they’ve literally taken a page out of the Zionists book who blew up everything and everyone while weaponizing terrorism to create their state.
The impertinence of Israelis is truly astronomical. Not once are they willing to take an introspective look.
860v2@reddit
Whatabout…
rowida_00@reddit
It’s your history! You’ve presented the world with the working model that terrorism can achieve your political goals. Literally, what the hell are you denying here? How is this whataboutism? Imagine a murderer calling out others for killing.
860v2@reddit
You’re just trying to deflect from the Palestinian suicide bombings.
Whataboutism, deflection, changing the subject, etc., you’re doing it all. 😂
sjelos@reddit
No, you are trying to deflect from the topic at hand, which is the IDF once again targeting aid workers.
860v2@reddit
Wrong. Try again.
rowida_00@reddit
I’m not talking about some random history dude. I’m literally addressing your history! That’s your history. That’s how your country was created and continues to operate. You’re the one who feebly attempted to deflect from the occupation which was being discussed before you interjected. As I said, Israelis are so divorced from reality they never take an introspective look.
OptimisticRealist__@reddit
Funny how you talk about context, then proceed to leave out the almost daily terror attacks and rocket attacks against israel from palestine.
Fact of the matter is, that this war started in response to the massive terror attack on oct 7.
That edgy western college kids bend over backwards to find ways to justify a terror attack is simply comical.
rowida_00@reddit
The context is the unlawful occupation! You guys are willing to discuss anything and everything except for this illegal occupation.
You’re quite literally justifying this occupation.
You’re justifying an actual genocide! How deplorable can someone get to do that?
It’s like the Palestinians aren’t even living under an apartheid! How divorced from reality can Zionists be?
OptimisticRealist__@reddit
Is that the genocide about which SA said it had tons of evidence to prove it, then when asked by the court to provide said evidence had to ask for an extension bc they were still looking for evidence? That genocide?
That word has lost its meaning bc it has been used so inflationary not just in regards to this war, but in general. People on tiktok just put big words on everyrhing and the western college kids just repeat it.
Zionist? Oh the next big word.
I dont give a damn about israel outside of it having the right to defend itself against terrorists who attacked them. Then again, im sure you also were against the US seeking revenge for 9/11 back then. After all, Al Qaeda killing thousands of civilians was only logical after decades of western imperialism oppressing the middle east, duh. At least thats what youre implying here.
Drab_Majesty@reddit
the most hilarious thing to me is that you considerZionist and genocide "big" words. Were you home schooled by orangutans?
Ala117@reddit
Don't insult orangutans please.
Brilliant-Tackle5774@reddit
Zionist lies
rowida_00@reddit
You’re justifying an actual genocide! How deplorable can someone get to do that? This is anything but comical. It’s disgusting.
You mean this? Why do you people normalize lying?
And yet, I didn’t reference Tik Tok. I cited Amnesty international, the UN and Human Rights Watch That TikTok nonsense is what people use to rationalize their denial of genocide. It’s the pervasive rhetoric ignorant Zionists use.
No mention of the decades long illegal occupation or the apartheid. All you want us to address is Israel’s right to self defence but not their denial of the Palestinians right to self determination for decades. Yea, I’m sorry. No one will ever take seriously.
Fantastic-String5820@reddit
Guys still crying about this? I thought you mongs were all about cause and effect lol
soyyoo@reddit
Hamas is a 35 year old organization retaliating 70+ years of r/israelcrimes horrific acts of genocide on 🇵🇸 land
Hamas is a worldwide movement at this point
OptimisticRealist__@reddit
Hamas is a terrorist organization
soyyoo@reddit
Yet you can’t dispute 70+ years of r/israelcrimes on 🇵🇸 land 🤷♀️
OptimisticRealist__@reddit
Man, if all of you had the same vigor calling out hamas for the terrorists that they are, maybe the palestinians would have peace already.
But no, instead yall bend over backwards to do anything but calling the terrorists terrorists
soyyoo@reddit
Again, Yet you can’t dispute 70+ years of r/israelcrimes on 🇵🇸 land 🤷♀️
OptimisticRealist__@reddit
Again, yet you cant even bring yourself to calling hamas a terrorist group.
soyyoo@reddit
How would you react if r/israelcrimes murdered your family and stole your land for 70+ years?
OptimisticRealist__@reddit
How far back in history are you willing to go to justify terrorism against civilians today in 2025? Just out of curiosity
soyyoo@reddit
Seriously, what’s r/israelcrimes doing on 🇵🇸 land for 70+ years?
OptimisticRealist__@reddit
Didnt answer my question.
soyyoo@reddit
lol ditto 🤷♀️
Fantastic-String5820@reddit
Just like the jews in Warsaw started their war!
860v2@reddit
Jews in Warsaw attacked Nazis, not random Germans.
Bad take.
Fantastic-String5820@reddit
Name one place hamas attacked where idf soldiers weren't present?
860v2@reddit
Here’s a few places.
Fantastic-String5820@reddit
Not seeing any proof that there weren't idf soldiers there.
Remember, it's you guys who say it's cool to bomb a school or a hospital by just claiming "hamas!", a festival with soldiers in attendance should be no problem for you.
860v2@reddit
That sounds like a you problem. The parts in bold reference dead civilians (non IDF).
I think you’re confusing them with Hamas. Israel openly differentiates between dead soldiers and dead civilians.
Fantastic-String5820@reddit
I'm not sure why you have a problem with dead civilians all of a sudden, it's just war bro?
Am I doing it right?
860v2@reddit
Wait, so you’re admitting Hamas targeted and killed civilians?
You just validated Israel’s response. What a self own. 😂
soyyoo@reddit
Hamas is a 35 year old organization retaliating 70+ years of r/israelcrimes horrific acts of genocide on 🇵🇸 land
Hamas is a worldwide movement at this point
soyyoo@reddit
Hamas is a 35 year old organization retaliating 70+ years of r/israelcrimes horrific acts of genocide on 🇵🇸 land
Hamas is a worldwide movement at this point
OptimisticRealist__@reddit
So WWII started after poland committed a terror attack on germans that in scale proportional to population was much larger than 9/11 was for the US? Is that the point youre making here?
Fantastic-String5820@reddit
What are crying about? I get to draw a line in the sand and ignore all the context I want, just like you!
By the way, do you think that Israelis respect your servile ass? Do you think they're gonna save you when Russia makes it's move?
OptimisticRealist__@reddit
Please, give me the context that justifies that terror attack on oct 7, i dare you.
Fact of the matter is, that the war started after oct 7. Period. Unless you ignore empirical facts.
What a very weird and odd thing to say, like what does any of this have to do with the topic at hand lol. Youre spiralling lil bro
AnUninformedLLama@reddit
Is cucking for Pissrael a national hobby for you Germans?
Fantastic-String5820@reddit
What terror attack? There were idf soldiers at every location attacked, which by israels logic (and therefore it's servile shills) it was a legitimate military strike.
Fact of the matter is the rebels attacked the germans which started the warsaw liquidation. You can say the SS had to defend themselves, it's okay bro your grandparents will be proud
Why don't you want to answer the question? You think Israelis respect you for your servile support don't you? Oh wait they just voted in support of Russia, how embarrassing lmao
calmrain@reddit
Yeah bro, this war clearly started on October 7th11!1!2! 🥴
soyyoo@reddit
Hamas is a 35 year old organization retaliating 70+ years of r/israelcrimes horrific acts of genocide on 🇵🇸 land
Hamas is a worldwide movement at this point
Theamazingquinn@reddit
What the fuck is an airstrike if not a targeted execution? Are you trying to say Israel is just randomly launching airstrikes during a ceasefire?
waiver@reddit
I guess you didn't read the article? They were targeted, all the people killed were aid workers.
flaamed@reddit
The ceasefire expired like a week or 2 ago
Theamazingquinn@reddit
Bold faced lie.
flaamed@reddit
Google please
Theamazingquinn@reddit
How lazy are you dude? Why even discuss a topic if you won't engage in discussion and don't know the basics of the current situation?
BrownThunderMK@reddit
Don't bother speaking reason to those people, they would be hollering and jumping up and down like baboons if Hamas had done anything close to this during a ceasefire, even one that's collapsing. I mean, Israel already restarted its genocidal starvation campaign in direct violation of the terms, but the entire world+western media is acting like that's a normal state of affairs. It's crazy how close to Nazis they can get an no one it batting an eye.
soyyoo@reddit
Hamas is a 35 year old organization retaliating 70+ years of r/israelcrimes horrific acts of genocide on 🇵🇸 land
Hamas is a worldwide movement at this point
waiver@reddit
It's not really an excuse for atrocities though.
Culture-Careful@reddit
You forgot those in the excuses : 1. They were Hamas 2.its their fault cuz they shouldn't have been in Gaza
soyyoo@reddit
Hamas is a 35 year old organization retaliating 70+ years of r/israelcrimes horrific acts of genocide on 🇵🇸 land
Hamas is a worldwide movement at this point
Miserable_Abroad3972@reddit
Can you repeat that?
soyyoo@reddit
Hamas is a 35 year old organization retaliating 70+ years of r/israelcrimes horrific acts of genocide on 🇵🇸 land
Hamas is a worldwide movement at this point
Zellgun@reddit
Given that Americans have once labelled Nelson Mandela as a terrorist, I’m not very inclined to trust such labels anymore
soyyoo@reddit
🇺🇸 does fund r/israelcrimes with billions while its own infrastructure, healthcare, and education are crumbling
sieurblabla@reddit
Rare-Primary-6553@reddit
& months later, all their “said commanders”, all appear on the news alive and well.
Culture-Careful@reddit
Always that role lmao. No other posts in Hamas, only senior hammas commanders.
sieurblabla@reddit
In that organization, they value autonomy and individual leadership and initiatives.
Theamazingquinn@reddit
I heard you are a senior hamas commander and should be executed.
tupe12@reddit
Pointing to things that have been proven to happen before and downplaying them by labeling anyone who says it “Hasbara” filled one of my spaces, so thanks.
Now I just need to fill one more space
Ala117@reddit
Ftfy
tupe12@reddit
Dang, close, but “Israel always lies” wasn’t it.
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
Was it "Israel told the truth this time, but we can't show you the evidence..."
860v2@reddit
If your default stance is that Palestinians are lying, you will be correct the vast majority of the time.
soyyoo@reddit
Hamas is a 35 year old organization retaliating 70+ years of r/israelcrimes horrific acts of genocide on 🇵🇸 land
Hamas is a worldwide movement at this point
860v2@reddit
Hamas is losing.
soyyoo@reddit
r/israelcrimes quarterly profits says otherwise 📉📉📉
860v2@reddit
Has the number of rockets launched from Gaza gone up or down in the past 1+ year?
How’s Sinwar, Haniyeh, Deif, Issa, etc. doing? Haven’t heard from them in a while.
calmrain@reddit
lol Hamas and the IDF are the same as most people are concerned, and this comment (and many others like it) just bolster this theory.
860v2@reddit
Source?
calmrain@reddit
Lmfao you live in a delusional bubble. Of course you think otherwise. I interact with people in the real world, daily. And I make sure that people know the truth, as well. Online Hasbara can only get you so far 😂
860v2@reddit
Wait, that isn’t a source. Try again.
DistrictTop1967@reddit
1) Hamas does lie
2) Hamas does use human shields
3) Why were they in Gaza in the first place? Helping Hamas?
4) Yes, it is war. Israel has fought one of the cleanest wars in modern history. They avoid civilian casualties if they can.
soyyoo@reddit
Hamas is a 35 year old organization retaliating 70+ years of r/israelcrimes horrific acts of genocide on 🇵🇸 land
Hamas is a worldwide movement at this point
MultifactorialAge@reddit
“We told them we were on a killing spree there and they chose to go help those animals, so they deserve it!”
advance512@reddit
If they indeed operated or even collected the Hamas drone equipment, then they are not charity workers. But the onus is on Israel to show proof of this. Should be easy if they used a drone to monitor and attack.
redelastic@reddit
A perfect subject for lapping up Israel's propaganda.
advance512@reddit
How so?
redelastic@reddit
By even framing any analysis of their killing on Israel's terms, it plays into their narrative.
advance512@reddit
Ahh, so you are a propagandized extremist. Got it, thanks, no need for further conversation.
redelastic@reddit
Huh?
No, I made the point that believing Israel's version of events - given we know they have already killed the most aid workers in history - is not the smartest way to assess the veracity of said event.
I'm sorry you can't understand that critical thinking is required when seeing through propaganda.
advance512@reddit
Even if they have killed the most aid workers in history (ignoring the ironic usage of aid organisations by Hamas and PIJ), it does not mean that they are wrong in this case.
Most people would listen to both sides and ask for evidence. You, already know that Israel is wrong and should not be listened to, because... you have critical thinking! No need for evidence or careful research, you see through propaganda.
I am done with this, it is a waste of time to discuss anything with extremists. Enjoy Dublin, maybe you can find some innocent Israelis to harass and spit on.
RogerianBrowsing@reddit
There was no attack. There was no weaponized drone.
advance512@reddit
How do you know?
RogerianBrowsing@reddit
There was no attack referenced, the aid workers and journalists obviously didn’t weaponize a drone, and the idf/israeli officials lie like they breathe?
How many times do these genocidal fascists need to be caught in baseless lies that they clearly come up with post hoc when they kill protected people/foreign organizations for people to realize this?
Quite frankly, just about everyone who isn’t a brainwashed hasbarist or fascism supporter realizes this, and even then they often realize it too they just prefer to lie. It’s like holocaust deniers, they know the holocaust was real they just don’t want to cede anything to the victims. That’s genocide deniers in general, really.
860v2@reddit
You provided zero evidence. I’d just like to point that out.
redelastic@reddit
Defending the killing of innocents again. Mmm Israel.
860v2@reddit
You looked through my comment history and have replied the same thing on like 5 comments.
You’re definitely mad. Get a grip.
advance512@reddit
Posing a threat to soldiers in a warzone by operating a drone is a dangerous endeavour and can makenone a military target. If this is what happened, then Israel can show evidence of it. It must, the onus of proof is on it.
Your vitriol and ridiculous name calling is infantile and makes me not trust you. I am discussing facts, plain and simple.
memester314@reddit
So operating a drone should be a death sentence?
advance512@reddit
I don't think so, but operating a drone close to enemy troops during wartime can put a target on your back. For context, imagine it was in Ukraine and it was Russians scouting Ukrainian troop movements and fortifications. Or vice versa if you support Russia.
memester314@reddit
I just believe they need a little bit more proof. Like that time they collapsed a whole building because they saw a guy on the roof and said he was a spotter.
advance512@reddit
The onus is on the IDF to show proof, this is true.
memester314@reddit
Which they never do or lie about constantly.
advance512@reddit
I disagree but I don't see the point in discussing it, I don't feel it will be very productive
RogerianBrowsing@reddit
K.
advance512@reddit
Do you really think you can prove IDF ways lies? Go on then. Prove it.
I also have examples, maaaaany, of Hamas and Palestinian lies. But I do not say they always lie.
Dude, you have gone really far into propaganda.
soyyoo@reddit
Hamas is a 35 year old organization retaliating 70+ years of r/israelcrimes horrific acts of genocide on 🇵🇸 land
Hamas is a worldwide movement at this point
RogerianBrowsing@reddit
Show proof of a single time that Israel murdered an entire group of journalists or aid workers where they described the victims as terrorists that were true. I’ll wait.
Should be easy to do if it’s been true considering it has happened multiple times.
advance512@reddit
You are the one that makes the claim that IDF "always lies". The onus of substantiation of the claim is on you.
Drab_Majesty@reddit
no Israeli tanks near Hind Rajab...
RogerianBrowsing@reddit
Really trying to prove that hasbarists are low intellect, huh? Because you’re doing a great job 👍
I’ll take these moronic deflections as proof that you can’t show any examples where Israel was being truthful about their justifications used to murder groups of journalists and aid workers. Thanks.
advance512@reddit
LOL. You make an outrageous claim, then ask me to prove the opposite. You dont know how logic works.
And you use infantile buzzwords and ad-hominem.
I am done conversing with you.
Oh, and here: IDF attacked a convoy that had 4 gunmen attached to it that were not communicated about or vetted. Confirmed later by the same aid agency. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/08/30/anera-aid-convoy-israel-strike/
Bye
ImAjustin@reddit
Agree here. You can spot the emotional people when they rattle off the buzzwords. When the proof comes out they’ll be totally silent also. On to the next thing, never admitting they were wrong
RogerianBrowsing@reddit
There’s never been any proof provided by Israel the other times they murdered aid workers and journalists. Don’t hold your breath.
Genocide, ethnic cleansing, apartheid, etc., aren’t “buzzwords” either. They’re words with legal definitions, but it figures that the fascists committing crimes against humanity and their apologists would be dismissive.
860v2@reddit
Now do the Al-Ahli hospital explosion.
ImAjustin@reddit
Yes there has been. But it wouldn’t matter to you anyways bc you’d dismiss as a lie. But yeah for sure israel is killing aid workers for fun. That’s definitely logical as they fight a PR war. Yes they are literally buzzwords that lost meaning at this point.
RogerianBrowsing@reddit
So all it takes for you to excuse murdering journalists and aid workers is if one of them used a drone?
It will never happen. Israel hasn’t offered any proof that there were “terrorists” with any of the other journalists or aid workers that the idf murdered despite claiming they had proof of terrorists being among them. Not a single time.
You’re baselessly calling journalists and aid workers terrorists, yet I’m the one doing ridiculous name calling or acting infantile? Did you get offended by being compared to other genocide deniers? Too bad. Stop acting shamefully and maybe people will have more respect.
Unlucky-Day5019@reddit
Simple request. Doubt Israel will show concrete evidence of any weaponized drone. And if the drone was recording troop movements I doubt the public will see that as justification to bomb 9 people
advance512@reddit
I wonder; would the public say the same if it was Russians operating a recon drone in Ukraine? I don't know the answer.
Solarwinds-123@reddit
In this case, if true it would be more like Ukraine operating a drone in Mariupol. Beit Lahia is a city in Gaza.
redelastic@reddit
Yet you don't ask Israel for proof, even though they have killed the most aid workers in history. How curious.
Pattern_Is_Movement@reddit
they never provide proof of anything, and have been caught numerous times blatantly lying
BackseatCowwatcher@reddit
Note a reminder, two things can be true at the same time, as the Al Jazeera journalist who held hostages in his own home proved- and as Hamas’s own stance of executing non-compliant journalists enforces.
There’s a good possibility they were entirely unrelated, there’s also a not insignificant possibility they were in fact prepping an attack, take the news with a grain of salt.
Pattern_Is_Movement@reddit
Was the family evacuating that got lit up by a tank killing everyone but a small child, who then calls a hospital and coordinates with the IDF to send an ambulance. After being given the go-ahead, the tank waited for the clearly marked ambulance to stop next to the car before lighting it up with MG fire. Then they finished off the girl in the car.
To this day they have been caught lying about this several times, and have never investigated anything.
Or the World Kitchen vehicles that again coordinated to drive in a straight line down a road with the IDF. Then One after another the clearly marked cars were hit with missiles....
Or when they MG'd the free standing building far from any other, that the Doctors Borders had coordinated to use as a office....
C'mon dude... connect the damn dots.
redelastic@reddit
Either they are completely gullible or doing the work of Israel. Not really many options in between.
redelastic@reddit
To ask an obvious question: do you have any actual proof of your claims other than "Israel told me".
Pattern_Is_Movement@reddit
hello?
ODHH@reddit
There is a video of the aid workers taken a shortly before they were murdered.
https://xcancel.com/smohyeddin/status/1900913951929471066
It’s sad to see them happy and going about their day. When will Israel be held accountable?
Israel also shot and killed a little boy with a drone in Rafah yesterday.
WannaAskQuestions@reddit
Accountable? Never. Not until America is a great power.
NamerNotLiteral@reddit
The good news is, the way the US is going, we might actually be able to bring Israel to account sometime this decade!
Shiroi_Kage@reddit
It's always good to remind people that the Israelis agreed to cease fire while negotiations continue and the Americans are guarantors on to this agreement. It's absolute BS that we're back to Israeli raids while negotiations are supposedly still ongoing. However, this is something Israel always did. If anyone retaliates now they will be accused of destroying the ceasefire despite Israel just opening fire with impunity. What a joke this "international law" is.
Wackypunjabimuttley@reddit
Every other day, we see dead palestinians in news. There is and will be zero justice for them. Do these aid workers, journalists etc know how many of them israel has killed and will keep killing.
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
All of them. For as long as it can get away with it. Israel won’t stop until it’s forced to stop through boycotts, divestment and sanctions.
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