Please recommend the absolute best parts for a 9950X3D + 5090 gaming build
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Hi there! I’ve been out of the loop of PC building and all the newer components for a few years, so I would like to request the community’s help in putting together the best possible build.
Allow me to share my perspective and current level of knowledge on each component, and I’ll add my queries in each section that you can address to help me figure out the best parts for me.
I absolutely am seeking specific recommendations for each component so please provide your recommendations along with your answers for my queries.
Thank you for participating. Here goes nothing!
Motherboard:
So according to my (albeit very limited) research, apparently all X870E motherboards have this “lane sharing issue” that affects PCIE 5.0 speeds except for the AsRock X870E Nova WiFi. As much as I would like to not face this issue, my use case is limited to a maximum of one GPU and two NVME SSDs.
So that being said,
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Are there any boards other than the Nova WiFi that does not have this lane sharing issue? If yes, what are they?
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If I’m limited to one GPU and two SSDs, need I even worry about the notorious lane sharing issue?
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If no, what is the absolute best X870E board I can get? Priorities include maximum overclocking capability, and all the bells and whistles such as USB4, Thunderbolt, WiFi 7, etc.
CPU:
This is pretty much the only component I’m somewhat decided on so far. So my queries are pretty basic with this one.
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Is this the absolute best CPU for gaming on the market right now?
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If not, what other options should I look at and consider?
I would appreciate benchmarks if you disagree with my choice of CPU, but it’s not a necessity as long as you somewhat justify your answer.
GPU:
The 5090 is the absolute best single GPU solution for gaming right now, and I don’t think that’s a matter of opinion. So my questions pertain mainly to aftermarket models of this card.
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Is there a particular aftermarket model of 5090 that is better binned than other models? If yes, which one?
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I know nothing about the thermal performance of these cards. So which aftermarket model would be the best to keep temperature as low as possible to maximise overclocking potential? (I’m not going the route of custom loops or waterblocks, so please only recommend the card with the best thermal performance out of the box. I’ve only seen one MSI card that has water cooling out of the box and I’m wondering if that is the best option).
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Speaking of overclocking, are there particular models that allow for higher/unlocked voltage control (like the MSI Lightning used to have)? If yes, which ones are they?
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Also on the note of overclocking, which card(s) have the highest clocks out of the box?
RAM:
Again, very limited knowledge on this one and it feels like RAM as a whole has changed a lot recently. You’ll get why I say this when you read my questions below.
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Is it true that kits beyond 6000MHz can run unstable on AM5 systems?
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If yes, would I be better off just getting a 6000MHz kit with the lowest latencies instead of trying to get to speeds like 8000Mhz+?
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What does it mean in terms of RAM when it’s said that “you lose 1:1” when going above 6000MHz?
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What is FCLK and BCLK? What role do they play in terms of gaming?
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What on earth is an Infinity Fabric, and what role does it play in terms of gaming? Need I concern myself with this at all?
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How much of a difference does 6000MHz at CL26 make versus the same speed at CL30?
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The 9950X3D is officially rated to run memory at a maximum speed of 5600MHz. Does that mean I would need to overclock the RAM straight away to get speeds of 6000MHz?
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Last but not least, what is the absolute best memory kit I can (or should) get for this intended system?
If I’m not wrong, the Gskill Royal Neo has lower latencies than Corsair Dominator Titanium which is rated to run at 6000MHz at CL30. The latter is available in my market whereas the former is not. If the Corsair kit is not the best I can get, please do tell which one is (and I’ll check if it’s available to me).
PSU:
If I’m not wrong, a 1200W unit should suffice for this build (and please do tell if it’s not accounting for overclocking both the CPU and the GPU). I was hoping to use my Corsair 80+ rated 1200W unit from my former build from 2019.
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Is there any reason as to why I should not use such an old PSU?
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I was reading somewhere that newer builds can benefit from (if not outright require) a specific type of pin connector (I forgot exactly what it was I read). Is there any such concern that I should be bothered about? If yes, please explain in as much detail as you possibly can so I may learn exactly what PSU I would need (assuming my old one doesn’t make the cut).
Storage:
I already have 2 16TB Seagate Exos HDDs in my former build that I plan on using. I’m planning on adding two more NVME SSDs with that - a 1TB for the OS, and another 4TB for games.
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Is the Samsung 990 Pro the fastest drive available for both the OS drive and the game drive?
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If not, which is a better option that I should look into?
Case:
I was hoping to use my Corsair Crystal Series 680X from my former build.
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Any reason why it might be incompatible with the rest of the system?
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Should I get a bigger case to avail some benefits that I’m not aware of?
Mind you, I’m planning on using an AIO cooler on my CPU for overclocking benefits, and the GPU might end up being one that comes with an AIO.
CPU Cooler:
I’ve absolutely no idea about this one. Please simply recommend the best AIO cooler I can get for overclocking my CPU to its maximum capacity.
I think that’s pretty much it from my side.
Have I missed any component in my research? If yes, please do tell.
A massive thank you for reading till the end, and hopefully responding with your valuable information and knowledge. I really appreciate your time and effort in trying to help me.
mechkbfan@reddit
What did you go with?
ahnafakeef298@reddit (OP)
Mobo: ASUS ProArt X870E-Creator WiFi
CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D
GPU: MSI RTX 5090 Vanguard SOC
RAM: Corsair Dominator Titanium 2x32GB 6000MHz CL30
PSU: NZXT C1200 Gold 80+ ATX 3.1
SSD: Transcend 1TB (will switch to Samsung 9100 Pro)
CPU Cooler: ASUS ProArt LC420
Case: ASUS ProArt PA602
mechkbfan@reddit
Very nice
I had been tossing up between 9950X3D and 9800X3D
Extra cooling of 9950X3D is a PITA
ahnafakeef298@reddit (OP)
Yeah and apparently the 9950X3D doesn’t provide any additional performance in games over the 9800X3D.
What was your final configuration that you went with?
mechkbfan@reddit
Not sure
I do 80% work, 20% games. Work usually depends on fastest single core, so 9900X looks appealing. Then you see performance for games, especially 1% lows against 9800X3D
I've already got an M2 case but with 5800X3D, and I'm confident I could swap in a 9800X3D without issues and reuse everything I've got. It'd probably be cooler.
But from what I'm reading, a lot more people have issues cooling at 9950X3D in SFF's
So now I'm down the rabbit hole of MFF's with best air cooling, such as Torrent Compact, but that'd be a complete build..., so it's going from a $2k AUD setup to $3k AUD, and questioning if I need to
Razgorths@reddit
MOBO: Lane sharing can be avoided by not populating the shared lane with an NVMe drive. You can easily just get a PCI-E NVMe card if you really need the extra slots. Model-wise it doesn't really matter, just know that most premium motherboards offer very little improvement in the way of actual end-user performance to the vast majority of users.
CPU: The best gaming CPU is the 9800x3d. The 9950x3d is essentially a 9800x3d with a 9700x stapled to it. The issue is that when gaming you really want to use the 9800x3d half, and if it ever accidentally uses the 9700x half you will see noticeable performance loss; the reverse situation, where a game actually performs better because it can utilize both halves somehow, is essentially non-existent except for some very niche situations that typically involve low resolutions where you are CPU-limited. Nobody with a 5090 is running 1080p - in basically all situations you will be GPU limited, so it really doesn't make sense to go for the 9950x3d unless you know you will be doing a lot of productivity work with the system.
GPU: Do not raise the power limit on the 5090. Again, do not raise the power limit on the 5090. The power connector and cable is poorly designed for the amount of power that typical 5090s draw; there is a very real risk of physical damage even at the rated TDP of 575 W, let alone above it. Many people are consciously undervolting their 5090s in order to reduce said risk; I would strongly caution against even trying to run 550 W on a 5090 unless you want to constantly monitor it.
RAM: 6000 MHz is the general stability point for most end users on an AM5 system. You can go above it, but that requires decent knowledge of RAM overclocking and usually rather extensive settings tweaks and testing time. Anything above 5600 MHz is legally considered overclocking on a modern processor because of the way DDR5 specifications were written: however, most AM5 processors have no trouble at 6000 MHz and Intel processors can typically go even higher. The listed RAM specifications for most RAM sticks are actually fairly irrelevant in real-life scenarios, and for X3D chips in particular RAM speed is typically less relevant because the whole point of the X3D V-cache is to avoid having to access slower RAM. My recommendation would be just to get some low-CL 6000 MHz (30, 28, or 26) at a decent price: the difference between CLs is not even worth $20. If you want optimal performance an easy thing to do is look up Buildzoid's easy AM5 timings guide and set your BIOS accordingly: you will see much more performance gain from doing so than any CL thresholds.
PSU: Your PSU will not have a native 12VHPWR/12V-2x6 connector that the 5090 uses. The 5090 comes with an adapter: if you don't want to use it, you'll have to buy a PSU with the relevant connector and cable. Either way the risk of damage at stock power draw still exists.
Storage: For most people any NVMe TLC drive will suffice. Is the 990 Pro fast? Yes. Will you notice if I swap out your 990 Pro for a cheaper model? Unless you just sit around copying the Library of Alexandria back and forth between drives all day, absolutely not. We're talking the difference between Windows booting up in 8.3 seconds instead of 8.7: modern drives are insanely fast.
Case: Your case is fine. However, with all the talk about overclocking you may want to get a larger one to support 2 360 mm AIOs and for better airflow.
CPU Cooler: One of the best performing coolers is the Arctic Liquid Freezer III. Get the largest one you can fit in your case (360 mm for the front mount of the 680X).
ahnafakeef298@reddit (OP)
Hello there! Thank you for your detailed response. Apologies for not responding sooner because I was conducting research and putting together a list of components. I would really appreciate it if you could please advise on the build and make any improvements to it.
Mobo: ASUS X870E Crosshair Hero
CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D
GPU: MSI RTX 5090 Suprim Liquid SOC
RAM: Corsair Dominator Titanium 2x32GB 6000MHz CL30
PSU: NZXT C1200 Gold 80+ ATX 3.1
SSD: Samsung 970 Pro 512GB + Kingston Fury Renegade 4TB
HDD: 2x Seagate Exos 16TB
CPU Cooler: Corsair iCUE H150i Elite XT LCD
Case: Antec Flux Pro Black
Thank you!
Razgorths@reddit
Parts seem fine but generally parts are rated on price: for example, I'm not sure why you have a 970 512GB listed, which is an older discontinued drive. If you're getting that for like $20 then sure maybe; if you're paying the hundreds that I see it for listed on major retailers then that's a solid no. That's also a very large case but you do you I guess.
ahnafakeef298@reddit (OP)
Oh I should have mentioned that the 970 Pro is from my previous build that I intend on using as the boot drive and I’ve been told that newer drives won’t show much if any at all improvements for running the OS. I’m completely open to getting a new drive for the OS if you can please recommend one.
As for the case, I need something that can fit 2 360mm radiators plus two HDDs, and this is one of the only ones that I could find that serves that purpose. Again, I’m completely open to recommendations if you can suggest a better option.
Thank you very much!
Razgorths@reddit
If you already have the SSD then that's totally fine.
Tons of cases can fit 2 360s and 2 HDDs; it's only when you get up to 4-5 HDDs that you start seeing issues.
Here's a simple search for 2 HDD midsize towers.
There's no real way to filter for radiator support yet but most midsize towers should be at least 2x360: you can check the specific model if you want to make sure. I personally have the Montech 903 MAX but really any of these would be fine.
ahnafakeef298@reddit (OP)
How much difference in boot time would I see with a 970 Pro vs say a 990 Pro?
Thank you for the link. I like how the ASUS ProArt PA602 looks.
The specs say that the top can fit up to a 420mm radiator. Could you please tell me if it has support for front radiator support in a size of at least 360mm?
Thank you.
Razgorths@reddit
No rad support on the front for that case it looks like.
My guess is difference in boot time would be like 1-2s assuming you optimize with Memory Context Restore/Power Down Enabled.
ahnafakeef298@reddit (OP)
1-2s should be fine.
And I’ll keep looking for cases I guess.
GlumInvestigator7881@reddit
lol um all i know is if you wanted the cool cases with the touch screen itll run you 400$ its the hyte touch case
ahnafakeef298@reddit (OP)
Thank you for your reply.
Cases have touch screens now? I truly have been living under a rock.
What function does the touch screen perform?
As for the cooler, may I ask why it is that you chose the Kraken Elite as the best option for your build? I’m just trying to understand the reasoning so that I may be able to decide on the best one for me.
Thank you again!
CtrlAltDesolate@reddit
As you seem very money-no-object here, I would suggest just going with a pre-build from one of the reputable firms.
My fear here is any suggestions are going to be met with a wall of questions - for example you're already asking for benchmarks to prove you wrong, just... nah.
ahnafakeef298@reddit (OP)
Yikes! I absolutely conveyed the wrong message there. I asked for benchmarks simply so that I could learn more, not just to be proven wrong. I did check the 9590X3D benchmark and, in my limited knowledge, it seemed to best the other CPUs.
I would love to be proven wrong if it helps me learn more. So please don’t take it the wrong way and please help me out. Thank you!
CtrlAltDesolate@reddit
As you seem very money-no-object here, I would suggest just going with a pre-build from one of the reputable firms.
My fear here is any suggestions are going to be met with a wall of questions - for example you're already asking for benchmarks to prove you wrong, just... nah.