Influecers get the judas cradle, thotfluencers get the breaking wheel, onlyfans botches get the brazen bull, breadtubers get drawn and quartered, and Hasan Piker in particular gets a little bit of that Irish Candyman action
Idk, I trust streamers over some urchin Fox or CNN decided to give a $200k+ salary to spew whatever nonsense their billionaire CEO paid them to say... Without a chat to call them out when they're being extra stupid.
Granted, chat is usually on the side of the streamer, but at least the discussion isn't between people solely paid to be there.
They're on a similar playing field for me, but streamers have more of a range for me. There's been some things Destiny has said that I agree with, but that's about it. Though as bad as 24 hour news hosts can be at times, they don't make death threats, align with terrorists, blatantly say they're propagandists, or call for war to install communism as much as streamers do. Anderson Cooper would've been crucified if he said some of the things Hasan Piker and the bread tubers have said.
I mean didn't Kathy Griffin pretty much lose her career and or have a meltdown because she posed with a fake severed head of a sitting US president while Hasan Piker has thousands of defenders even though he hosted a terrorist on his stream once?
There used to be so much creativity on YouTube and Twitch but now it's become a race to the bottom to see who can churn out the laziest content while still calling it a video.
Want to listen to to someone read off Wikipedia entries in the most bored monotone delivery possible? Of course you don't but don't worry, it's organized as an iceberg so it's now worthwhile content.
Want to watch someone "react" to a news article, literally just reading it out word for word on stream while giving next-to-no meaningful commentary or insight? Don't forget to use promo code "goochlicker" to get 20% off your next coffee order!
God knows how many accounts there are with stolen podcast clips where the author used an automated editing tool to detect where pauses in talking are, resulting in an ocean of schizo-reels that randomly cut off in the middle of sentences and no cogent/helpful point gets made.
Every video essay on a game or a movie basically boils down a creator spending exactly 10 minutes saying "good thing is good, because it's good" or "bad thing is bad, because it's bad" without actually telling you WHY.
Even gaming YouTube has gotten shit. People like Mr. Sark and Vanoss used to curate highlights from sessions with their friends for optimal humor or watchability, now it's just unedited 4 hour streams uploaded with no care or fucks given.
A lot of it now is about hitting key words for searches so you get the clicks you need to profit from your sector.
It's why so-called mainstream media runs sensationalist headlines that rarely have anything to do with the content of their articles. Remember, "Trump paid only $20 Federal tax in one year" (or something like that). Burying the lede, of course. It would have been far less interesting, and inspired far fewer hate-clicks, if they had said, "Trump paid too much in federal tax one year, so he got his tax reduced appropriately in the following year".
Asmon is NOT a centrist. Dude was happy making 90% video games content until the "inclusive modern audience" stuff began to appear.
He is simply on death-war with woke ultra-liberal culture, a jihad even, and he won't rest until Lara Croft regains her cup size.
He brilliantly said it himself at one point "You just had to fuck with our video-games, now all of us are all in".
I think people conflate liberal with DEI and trans and conservative with racist. It’s not all black and white. Obligatory fuck asmon tho his takes are wild
Well, my rebuttal is that he has been reacting to and giving his takes to non-video-games-related political events for a while now. Unless you haven’t really watched his recent streams (or VOD’s, like I have), you can’t possibly not have noticed this. He’s given his take on the fucking Trump-Zelenskyy meeting, for fuck’s sake. He’s reacted to the “boycotting Tesla should be illegal and vandalizing Tesla property will be prosecuted as domestic terrorism” controversy from just a few days ago. It’s one thing not to criticize these things… but if he’s not going to criticize these things while railing only against liberals, then clearly he’s not a “centrist” to anyone with any honesty and common sense, and not just “fighting against the persecution of gamers” like you claim.
" 'fighting against the persecution of gamers' like you claim."
Bro when then I did said that? Only thing I said was that his new political zeal roots from video-game controversies. I do not think gamers are being "prosecuted" or that Asmon is fighting for anyone's right. Let me make that CRISTAL clear. Please be more careful.
Never said I thought you believed gamers are being persecuted. I think you should be more careful as well.
That being said, I do see I misread you, since you never said Asmon is only trying to engage in video-game-related controversies.
Regardless, my point still stands: Doesn’t matter what got him started—he’s now at a point where he’s blatantly reacting to and giving takes on all aspects of politics and blatantly not a centrist to anyone other than Olympian mental gymnasts.
My rebuttal is did I not said he is right wing, nor do I think he is. Dude is center-left leaning on most things, but the current social situation made him highly radicalized against ultra-liberal stuff.
Dude could’ve been our guy if he didn’t defend ‚roons so much with his „there are some bad ones but the majority of them are good“ argument. He doesn’t see that that kind of enablist „they can do what they want as long as its not hurting anybody“ behaviour is what got them so far in the first place and it’s what made the game studios he criticises so much the way they are today. Typical American logic tbf.
You can call him a centrist not because he's utterly apathetic about all political opinions, but because he seems to have his views split from both sides. Strangely he's socially conservative (for current year, still liberal for 2010) and fiscally progressive. Usually I find the opposite to be more common.
He's also socially liberal for most of the world and in fact by any sane definition of the word, just because the cult funded by BlackRock and Wall Street to divide and distract society and any leftist movement throughout the West has been artificially established it doesn't mean we have to forget what ideologies actually stand for
You just had to fuck with our video-games, now all of us are all in
That's the cringiest shit I've heard since people unironically saying "Reddit assemble!" to track down the Boston marathon bomber. And that was over something that actually mattered and killed people not over gay in video games.
Number one priority? No. But if someone is dumb enough to struggle with that it makes you question if this is really someone you want tackling the big issues.
Like if your accountant mentions he’s a flat earther, obviously not directly a problem but if he can be that dumb do you really want him handling your finances?
Honestly I’m not one for conspiracies. At all. But I do think this entire trans debate has been created to make something for people to argue about instead of fighting to make some actual change to make our lives better.
If people really care that much about the genitals of 0.1% of the fucking population we are doomed
It’s not much of a debate outside Reddit and other far left spaces though, every poll done on the issue shows 65-80% of Americans agree with Republicans on trans issues.
My side - as in, the side where I think that maybe we shouldn’t care so much about a tiny marginalised part of society and let them be, compared to the people frothing at the mouth about about taking their rights away, public toilets use and women’s sports
People care about it because it's been blown up to be some huge issue by the news and politicians. Who can play in sports? Let the leagues, NCAA, etc. decide, the fans will choose which way it goes. Who can go in bathrooms? Let whoever owns the bathrooms decide, the customers/users will determine if it's the right move. Politicians don't need to be involved in this, and it doesn't need to be discussed as such a high level. Like the other guy said, less than 0.01% of the population. If you tell them all "no", the total number of people crying is going to be about the same as it is now. They need to focus on more important shit and not distract people with culture war shenanigans.
They need to focus on more important shit and not distract people with culture war shenanigans.
That goes both ways, if the left just gave in to public will and conceded these issues (sports bans, ban on surgeries and hormones for kids, etc.) they would be free to move on and focus on the more substantial issues you’re referring to.
Public will dictates that we should mutilat3 children and cause irreparable damage through off label prescriptions, like prescribing the chemical castration drug we give sexual predators, Lupron, to children and causing sterility, underdeveloped organs, etc.
"Public Will" dictates that we should not allow for blatant child abuse.
Yeah, why are we having these conversations? Nobody brought them up but progressives. Nobody made them government policy but progressives, and people within the government who wanted it to be a problem. And that 0.1% of the population, as you may have noticed, has an incorrigible tendency to spread itself as thin as possible, influencing large swathes of public life, such as neutralizing gendered bathrooms, allowing for the invasion of women-only spaces and the perversion of both sexes, and including indoctrinatory "education" in public schools.
If you want to see why it's a problem, go to Canada and dare to say that you don't want your children being taught these poisonous ideas in the public school system. As a parent, dare to say that you would take your boy or girl out of public school if he or she came back and said "I'm not a boy anymore" or "I'm not a girl anymore". The truth is, we don't care about these things, and would love to be without them; but the attack vector is not to just "waste your time", it's to attack you relentlessly until you've exhausted all your time and energy on the defensive.
Harris cared enough to sit down with alphabet groups and talk about how she was gonna give them tax money to chop off their dicks and get implants. Trump ran it as a commercial. The commercial was literally just her talking about it. I saw it nearly every day on tv. He won the election. You're exactly right, why the hell was a presidential candidate giving the time of day to 0.1% of the population.
The two are completely unrelated though? If you meet a brain surgeon and he can't give you the definition of what makes a fox a fox it doesn't all of a sudden mean they're unqualified for the job they're doing
Just because a person doesn't immediately have an answer on a simpler topic does not mean they're incapable of handling more complex categories
being a a carnivorous mammal of the dog family with a pointed muzzle and bushy tail. But that doesn't mean I can do brain surgery. Its just that NOT knowing that means you probably aren't.
lol No, thats not what you said. You didnt know they were part of the dog family, did you? You thought you were dunkin on me, and it turns out you DIDNT know the definition of fox, and now you're deflecting 'cause you did a quick google search.
Its okay, its not really that big of a deal. its a pointless fact that doesn't mean anything, you can be wrong about something meaningless and life still goes on. Just maybe next time, dont be so smarmy about something that you didnt actually know, and could've easily confirmed before you show everyone you have a weird hard on for a Gotcha moment with me.
The problem with yours and the last guy's analogies is that those are things not inherently accessible to every person. You can’t be human and not know what a man is and what a woman is, with very few exceptions (I'd say mental retardation is one, but even the average mentally handicapped person still knows there is a difference). If your [literally anyone] doesn't know what a man or woman is, or can’t tell their nose from their ass, then that is highly concerning, regardless of occupation.
If you meet a brain surgeon and he can't give you the definition of what makes a fox a fox it doesn't all of a sudden mean they're unqualified for the job they're doing
It’s not not knowing the definition of a fox, it’s pointing at a duck and saying fox. That would be concerning from a brain surgeon yes
The issue is that words have blurry boundaries, and those asking the question want to pick at exactly those boundaries. No definition is 100% perfect because the world isn't black or white and contains lots of weird exceptions.
Hell, we've seen the Trump administration fail at defining men and women in their legislation and you act like a clear and precise definition of a woman is an issue only leftists have.
Again from Oxford; of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs, distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova) that can be fertilized by male gametes.
That can, as in they have the biological potential to even if for whatever reason they currently cannot or were born with a condition preventing it. A man has no biological ability to ovulate under any conditions.
Female is obviously a term only trans people can have. This is why they banned the words "woman" and "female" from any and all scientific papers. Before you tell me that I have a bias, that is banned as well.
Why does it matter to people what others want to become if it doesn't hurt others and they themselves? Debating on what language means is useless. Language shifts and changes. Otherwise, we wouldn't use phrases like "check yourself" since that phrase is chess exclusive.
Trump administration doesn't even agree what some republicans think is "sensible." Is it truly sensible to ban words such as female, women, bias, diversity, status, "most risk," political, historically, etc...
Rhetorical question. These words are important to neuroscience (unrelated to gender/sex), software, physics, chemistry, medicine, history, etc...
Yes, they don't check context. No, there most of the time, if not always, there is no alternative phrase.
Why does it matter to people what others want to become if it doesn't hurt others and they themselves?
Normalizing mental illness does hurt others, and themselves. Pretty much 100% of the time. All people still deserve happiness of course, and we can mitigate the damage from that mental illness, but glorifying does not mitigate it
You’re dodging the question. Literally everyone reading this knows exactly why. It’s astonishing you haven’t realized by now that this isn’t working out for you.
You're dodging the question. Why can't you engage with my very simple question to get clarification on your position? Do you think that body dysmorphia is a mental illness? Is that your position?
Yes I am. I've pretty clearly stated I am. Because why are you talking about Male Pattern Baldness? You're the only one talking about baldness. The rest of us are talking about transpeople.
No you didn't. You said "bald people shouldn't be allowed hair transplants.".
And you didn't SEND anything. You posted the name and title of a study from 23 years ago, conducted to examine any correlating factors between baldness, depression, obsessive compulsion, anxiety, and an inclination towards Body Dysmorphia, whereupon the study was done on a whopping 172 people. Thats not even a determinatory representative study.
You also left this out:
Results: Of the 172 patients seeking treatment for hair loss, 22.75% had mild, 26.35% moderately severe and 8.98% severe BDD symptomatology.
so 9 percent of bald people have a level of Body Dysmorphia beyond that of your standard super insecure bald guy.
I still don't see why any of this matters or why you're talking about bald people, but its obvious you're trying to walk me into some trap you think you've set up. I wonder if you can make the terrible point you're trying to make without walking me there, or is your argument so bad that it needs my help to get past the finish line?
There's no trap, it's a basic discussion for which I need to know your position on body dysmorphia. I get that you fell down the right wing schizo pipeline but are you actually that paranoid to think every discussion is a personal ambush on you? That's quote pathetic.
Body dysmorphia is a mental illness, and baldness can cause body dysmorphia (even if rarely, like you pointed out pointlessly). So if your position is that body dysmorphia is a mental illness that shouldn't be treated by gender affirming care, then hair transplants, a surgery which affirms a mentally ill person's gender, should be unacceptable.
So what's the cutoff? When does body dysmorphia become okay to treat with gender affirming surgery?
Also love how you ignored the point about men without low T because you couldn't refute it.
and baldness can cause body dysmorphia (even if rarely, like you pointed out pointlessly)
Thats not what that study determined, guy. There is no evidence that baldness causes BDD.
So if your position is that body dysmorphia is a mental illness that shouldn't be treated by gender affirming care, then hair transplants, a surgery which affirms a mentally ill person's gender, should be unacceptable.
lol if you think that I beleive hair transplants and genital mutilation are the same thing, and you think THATS my position, then go on and explain why I would think that.
Again, if you think that I believe hair transplants and genital mutilation are the same thing, and you think THATS my position, then go on and explain why I would think that.
So if your position is that body dysmorphia is a mental illness that shouldn't be treated by gender affirming care, then hair transplants, a surgery which affirms a mentally ill person's gender, should be unacceptable.
I didn't say any of that. You said it. And you said thats my position.
Okay, I can see you're having a moment, I'll just let you have the last word, so that you can feel like you've won something here. Have a good rest of your day.
An egg cell is only half of you. The sperm cell is the other half and determines the sex gametes. So no an egg's potential doesn't make anyone a woman or not. The instant you come together as a genetically whole you, your sex is already determined.
Is a person without legs nor themselves because they don't have legs? Is the egg cell that created half of you, you? No. Does it have the biological potential to be you? Yes.
Does an egg cell have the biology potential to be a human? Yes. Is it a human? No. Does an egg cell have the biological potential to be a human woman? Yes. Is it a human woman? No. Does an egg cell have the biological potential to be a human woman that can ovulate? Yes. Is it a human woman that can ovulate? No. Mull that over in your own time. Please read slowly.
Yeah, then shortly afterwards my testes dropped and I became a man and lost the ability to potentially ovulate. Not really sure what you think you have here, but it's pretty poor argument. Just thank the man for his time and admit you are wrong, it will be less embarrassing for you.
My point is that the word 'potential' is carrying a lot of weight in this definition. You say that having the biological potential to ovulate then losing it I.e. gaining testes means that your not a woman is contrary to your definition of "Thay can, as in they have the biological potential to even if for whatever reason they currently cannot or were born with a condition preventing it."
An egg cell that's unfertilized isn't a man or woman, it's completely unsexed.
of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs, distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova) that can be fertilized by male gametes.
What do you think we should do about people with downs syndrome? They aren't profitable. Should they be killed? What about people who use a wheelchair? It'd certainly be cheaper if we never had to account for those who can't use their legs.
I'd ask you what "basically" and "presenting" mean, but we both know the way you're using those two words is carrying so much weight they could replace the Golden Gate bridge.
Those biological outliers are STILL either men or women, guy. True hermaphrodites dont actually exist. Intersex outliers still fit criteria of being one or the other.
Again, you're wrong. Yes I did. Woman and man ARE the sexes, despite your worship of John Moneys meaningless attempt to sperate sex and gender. But it wouldnt matter even if I agreed, because I contained the definitions for the sexes in there. You're just purposely being obtuse.
If "man" and "woman" are the same as those biological sexes, why are you using "associated with"? Can't you just say "A woman is the biological sex that produces ovum"
So now you've defined two sexes, which is somewhat complete. Some people are born without the ability to produce any gametes.
My point is, that this definition is not helpful in everyday interactions. It's very relevant if you're a medical doctor or trying to have a baby with a person, but otherwise, it ultimately doesn't matter.
Some people are born without the ability to produce any gametes.
An individual HAVING the ability is irrelevant. Just as a woman doesnt stop being a woman after menopause or hysterectomy, she is still born of the SEX that has that ability.
that this definition is not helpful in everyday interactions.
Of course it is. To deny this is deny the bedrock of nearly every social interaction. Just because were not overtly screaming "FERTILE!" at every girl we see doesn't mean recognizing biological differences hasn't played the dominant part in interaction since man first met woman.
Your definition does encapsulate intersex people, but you can put anything into a box if you're reductive enough.
Rational trans people aren't going around saying that they are biologically able to produce ovum.
I don't deny that general biological differences play a part in all of our interactions. These are, hopefully, not based upon whether you want to impregnate the other person or not.
Tell me when this umbrella definition of a man and a woman is useful? Is it useful as a doctor? Probably, but if your patient is intersex, then those nuances might be nice to know.
Is it useful when you want to figure out whether you can have a baby with someone? Yes, unless this intersex person can't have babies for whatever reason, then those nuances might be nice to know about.
During what interaction, is your definition a helpful one?
Tell me when this umbrella definition of a man and a woman is useful?
Why? Are we talking about the definition being useful or are we talking about the definition existing? You dont seem to realize I've had this very argument a thousand times and you all take it down the exact same paths at every turn in the conversation. And right now, you're trying to veer onto "WELL WHAT DOES IT EVEN MATTER" street. And I don't know why you would think its any of my business to tell you what you're supposed to care about. We are talking about what IS and ISNT, not HOW one guy on reddit is affected. But I will say this as an answer:
Practical definitions are ALWAYS important. Defining and discerning and understanding and applying just ARE important. Always. I genuinely cannot imagine HAVING to explain to someone that practicality is always useful. I mean that, truly; I would not know where to begin to explain such a base, instinctual, almost primal concept as "Being able to point at something and know what it is is core to the human experience".
And I'm not going to, as I've said now three times. It is not my business to tell you why you SHOULD care. You are your own man. If you don't have anything new, we can end this.
I'm sure after all that running around in circles and asking about practicality like a broken record, they walked away feeling victorious over a chud.
You'll never convince a true believer of Christ that he's not the son of God. Just as you'll never convince leftists of the definitions of sex and gender. It's a new modern-day religion that has abandoned reality for faith in one's own beliefs.
The reason why I'm not defining the sexes, is because I'm not claiming that they're easy to define. It's a very complex topic, and I'm not a biologist. You're the one claiming to have this knowledge
is because to do so honestly would shatter your already brittle world view.
is because I'm not claiming that they're easy to define.
And you'd be wrong. It is so simple to define, in fact, that our brains have evolutionarily developed the keen ability to definitively discern which sex a person is simply by LOOKING at them with 99.999997% accuracy.
How is being tolerant of new ideas a brittle worldview? You're the one not able to accept that the world is more complex than you thought when you were 10
Simply by looking at them huh? Seems to be a pretty nice way of defining it then
How is being tolerant of new ideas a brittle worldview?
Because none of you can explain it. You cant describe it, explain it, point to it, discern it, map it out, diagnose it, predict it, test it, observe it, or report about it. You swear its a "feeling" but then you cant even describe that either, but you SWEAR it exists and if anyone doesnt believe you, they should be banned from social media and fired from their jobs. It is an ideological unicorn that is pushed and taught specifically through fear and intimidation...
That is the very definition of a brittle world view. You are NOT tolerant. You are authoritarian.
You're the one not able to accept that the world is more complex than you thought when you were 10
Making shit up out of thin air does not fit the criteria of the world "being complex". Its just you putting on a dress and playing pretend. You are of the incredibly arrogant mindset that if someone disagrees with you, they are somehow the close minded one. Which is wild because again, you are the one with zero discernable evidence, or a definition, or any sort of demonstrable explanation for "If a woman is not of the sex generally associated with that which produces ovum, then what is a woman?" other than "Whoever decides they are"
I'm not trans. I'm simply not an asshole. If someone asks me to respect that they would prefer to be treated some way over the other, I'll do that. It's really that simple.
What fear and intimidation is used to push the trans agenda? What planet are you living on?
I don't think people should be fired for not agreeing with me, but if you're discriminating against your coworkers, then you're an asshole, and not fit to be in the workplace.
A woman is a very societal concept. We define what a woman is to us, through social norms, as well as physical characteristics. I bet you've called one of your guy friends "girly", for painting his nails, og having long hair or whatever. A person's ability to produce gametes is very rarely relevant to your interactions with them, unless you're their doctor, or trying to have a baby with them. Why not just accept how they feel about themselves, and treat them with respect? After all, they are real people who haven't done anything wrong.
Imagine your consciousness is transported to a cis woman's body. Would you just accept that you're a woman now? Or would there be some part of you that still felt like a man? Would you be comfortable in this new body?
Yeah this is the other bullshit argument male feminists love to make. "I JUTHT RETHPECT OTHER HUMANTH". Grow up.
If someone asks me to respect that they would prefer to be treated some way over the other, I'll do that.
I don't particularly care what you do or what you tell yourself to justify doing it. You're just bragging about how great you are and what a proud ally you are because thats always where this argument goes when you get backed into a corner.
A woman is a very societal concept.
Its not. Its an adult human male associated with the sex that can produce ovum. Its not conceptual at all. Its biological.
I bet you've called one of your guy friends "girly"
I have. If you want to get into the nuanced of femininity and masculinity, which ARE conceptual, but rooted in sex/gender, we can do that. But I know exactly what avenue you want to go down with this gambit, and its not going to go well for you.
Why not just accept how they feel about themselves
Why Do I have to accept anything? To be honest, I'm pretty sure all of us DO accept how they feel about themselves. They dont seem to accept our desire to not play pretend all over eggshells just to affirm what is, by all measures, a delusion.
Imagine your consciousness is transported to a cis woman's body. Would you just accept that you're a woman now?
I truly dont know what ground you're trying to gain by making me imagine a Freaky Friday scenario, which is, yet again, you trying to make me give serious consideration to something that is just pretend.
Now would be a good time for you to note that my identity and my life is not dependent upon you accepting me and that your bar doesn't mean anything to me. Unlike the people we're arguing about, I don't require your acceptance to affirm my existence.
Statistically, Transpeople are the safest marginalized class in western civilization.
They suffer the lowest identity-based violence out of anyone, they currently hold the untouchable-by-all-of-societys-criticisms status, and they have every single right any other human being has. There is no trans genocide happening. There is no overwhelming trans harassment campaign. I live in the bluest county in my state, and there's a fair amount of trans here. The overwhelming majority of them are transtrenders, and mentally ill. I have never seen a single video of anyone physically assaulting a transperson for any reason, let alone because they were trans, but I have seen countless of trans people turning into absolute hyenas at the sight of a MAGA hat, or at a conservative guest speakers conference, or at a protest. The whole ideology REQUIRES victimhood, and I'm sorry but it just aint there. Critics of the movement largely just want to be left alone.
Statistically, Transpeople are the safest marginalized class in western civilization
I mean yeah, it's not an innately visible characteristic, so that doesn't surprise me. However their rights are being stripped away in America as we are speaking
There's also a massive difference in being hated for who you are, and being hated for what you believe in. Trans people exist, and it's not something that will change. Conservatives choose to be who they are.
However their rights are being stripped away in America as we are speaking
Please cite 3 rights that they don't have, that every other human has.
There's also a massive difference in being hated for who you are, and being hated for what you believe in.
Nobody really HATES transpeople, guy. If anything, Transpeople suffer from isolation, not attacks. You want to talk about the plight of the Trans, its that nobody interacts with them and they cant find love. Thats a REAL thing they suffer with. Hatred and violence though? Thats all fan fiction designed to keep you having this very conversation.
Conservatives choose to be who they are.
Well, as long as you're finally admitting "Its okay when WE hate", cuz its aways (D)ifferent for you guys, but I have pretty bad news, Transpeople are choosing who they "are" also.
No, trans people do not choose how they feel. They choose how to express themselves.
And yes, it's okay to hate people for the hateful views they choose to have
Please cite 3 rights that they don't have, that every other human has.
That's the same argument as saying that abolishing gay marriage isn't discrimination, because gay people have the same right to marry a person of the opposite gender as everyone does. Their right to live their life, as the person they want to
No, trans people do not choose how they feel. They choose how to express themselves.
We can wax semantics all day on this point and get nowhere. I disagree with the discernment, but whatever.
And yes, it's okay to hate people for the hateful views they choose to have
This is why you guys wont win elections. Your opinion here is the minority, overwhelming minority. We're stating reality from a biological perspective and you guys call it "hate". Nobody takes progressives serious anymore and this is why.
That's the same argument as saying that abolishing gay marriage isn't discrimination
Well no its not, because abolishing gay marriage IS discrimination.
But I will accept that you will yell and scream about these "rights" that are being taken away, but cant actually point to any.
I disagree with the discernment, but whatever
you disagree based on what, some personal feeling about it? How about listening to trans people, the ones actually experiencing it. This is no different than claiming that being gay is a choice
Trans people are no longer allowed to have their preferred gender listed on their passport. I'm sure you don't believe it, but there is much more to come
Trans people are no longer allowed to have their preferred gender listed on their passport.
Thats not a right. A passport is a document that states your biological sex, not preferred gender. You also have to put your real name on a passport, I couldn't get "HugeCock" on mine. Give me an example of a RIGHT, you seem to think that ALL their rights are being stripped away, I imagine you could name ONE.
I don't know how you can look at history, and see all the times that marginalized groups have risen up, and demanded recognition, and still believe that you're on the right side, when you're against the newest marginalized group that has gained attention
Because black skin, asian heritage, irish heritage, brown skin, and buttfucking arent mental illnesses, they WERE being oppressed, and they couldnt STOP being black, asian, irish, brown, and gay.
Also, they werent insufferable entitled assholes who ALREADY had every protection they were demanding, and knew who their actual enemies were.
The trans movement wants you to blindly accept their ideology without any evidence and if you don't do it, you should be unpersoned. You're describing marginalized groups that rose up and achieved goals. You're forgetting that jackboots did the same thing.
Trump has banned trans people from serving in the military, and removed discrimination protection. They also straight up don't exist in law anymore, so no other laws can protect them.
Trump has banned trans people from serving in the military
This one you might have me on. But only because you don't think its a mental illness. I do, but you think being Trans is some sort of natural anomaly so I understand how you think this is a stripped right.
You're trying to appeal to my better nature again. That doesn't work. I don't care if you consider yourself socially enlightened or not. "I'm nicer than you" isn't an argument and its meaningless here.
Disregarding that, your other reply is wrong. If I claim that all numbers are either negative or positive, and someone tells me about 0, then I was wrong.
If I claim that all numbers are either negative or positive, and someone tells me about 0, then I was wrong.
Thats correct, but I am assuming that would be the reason you WOULDNT claim all numbers are either negative or positive. I don't know how hypothetically making one incorrect claim somehow helps you here.
No you didn't. You made up criteria that nobody before you has ever subscribed to. Nobody is currently "defining numbers as ONLY positive or negative". I'm politely trying to get you to realize that your analogy is shit and doesn't apply.
Oh my god
Newton formulated laws about gravity, that worked well enough on earth, and pretty good in space. Some observations were made that contradicted Newton's laws. Someone came around in the early 1900's and made new and better laws. Newton laws were, and are, wrong
You claim that NOTHING is defined by outliers. Any rational person, will see a contradiction to their claim, and either retract their claim, or update it to include these outliers.
Or I suppose define the scope of the claim, so the outlier doesn't affect it
I dont know why you keep repeating my words back to me. I know I said this.
Heres what your problem lies, and you shockingly dont understand it:
"IS EITHER POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE" is not the definition of "Numbers.
Nobody has ever even described "Numbers" as "either negative or positive"
Positive Numbers, and Negative Numbers, AND Zero, are still numbers.
Intersex people, despite having an elongated clitoris, or a micropenis, are still EITHER male or female.
Intersex is a slight deviation from what we would consider the "normal" understanding of sexes, they have different looking genitalia, or produce more or less testosterone or estrogen, or sometimes have traditionally ambiguous facial features, but they STILL have either testicles or uterus, and the criteria does not change.
You still have got to admit, that it is not true that absolutely nothing is defined from outliers. You have to consider outliers to have a complete definition, otherwise it is not complete
You still have got to admit, that it is not true that absolutely nothing is defined from outliers.
No, I DONT have to admit that. Because it would be inaccurate to do so. All rules have exceptions, it is the natural way of things. That doesnt mean they aren't rules. Life doesnt run very well when you dismantle all practical standards and applications for one guy in Tuscon. We still live in a society.
Scientists have determined that we stop physically developing around 26-28 depending on gender.
And adult stays at a sort of equilibrium of regeneration and degradation. This is presumed to start after adolescence is finished, which is the final stage of childhood.
And old person or 'senior' is when you degrade faster than regeneration. This is different based on genetics, environmental conditions, and a host of other issues that may or may not be outside of a person's control.
Certain disabilities can also cause degradation at an alarming rate, just like certain genetic conditions speed up/slow down development. Both would be labeled as disabled/handicapped and not classified technically as child or adult. They'd be labeled on a societal level as those.
Societal levels are not scientifically accurate. But we do live in a society or whatever.
Wow you almost sound like you know what you're talking about but don't. You may want to discuss things with Merriam-Webster if you want definitions to change however as it states:
If "right-wingers" are soooo correct all the time, where's the pizza? The emails? Obamas "real" birth cert? Also where did winter go? Why is there no more snow on Christmas anymore? Why have tax cuts only resulted in the rich getting richer? Where are the WMD's? There's countless examples so I figured I'd give you just a few to mull over.
People have defined a women. It’s the people who keep asking that who have a problem. They only want to hear one answer and freak out like your response.
Yawn, straw-man for regards, from regards. Really showing your cards here.
A woman is a human female, the sex of which is designated at birth (not always correctly). There are 2+ sexes: Male, Female, and Intersex. Intersex is not so much a separate sex, but a mixture, and has been recognized for thousands of years in cultures globally. Think of a palette with blue, purple, and the colors mixing brilliantly in the middle. That's sex.
Gender is absolutely a social construct and relates more to societal roles, differing by society. This is where the confusion can come in, especially considering how Right-wingers are repelled by all facts that don't support their position - such as the fact, for example, that when brain analyses are done on individuals whose gender identity is different from that present on their birth certificate - e.g., MtF - they find the individual in question has a brain more structured like their preferred gender identity - MtF's have more F brains, FtM the opposite.
So not only is not a clean division at all, especially between cultures, but the scientific confusion mostly comes from Rightoids who are completely fucking scientifically illiterate and say dumb shit with no evidence like "sex is binary and there are only 2 genders".
That wasn't the question. That's a political question, not a biological question, which is what was asked.
It seems like you're asking what my opinion is. Which is as follows.
Why they're allowed is simple, there are such an extremely, incredibly small amount of trans athletes at high schools nationwide (trans people are 1.6%\~ of the population, some estimates put the number of trans athletes nationwide at under 100), that it's not worth it instituting blanket policies, especially when it's high school sports which already doesn't matter and is wildly unfair (sports are unfair in general, if you don't like it, suck less at sports), and even more especially because this is a minority group who has suicide rates ranging from 7x to 20x higher than the general population, depending on which study you view. It's just not worth it to chase what is largely a boogeyman to persecute an already persecuted minority group.
I mean for the Right it is. This is just me positing from a school standpoint why it doesn't make sense.
There's not especially strong evidence to suggest being transgender inherently carries a competitive advantage, mostly due to lack of data. Which means it's just fucking feelings again.
There are so few trans athletes compared to the regular pool of athletes, and the famous cases like Emily Bridges and Lia Thomas get a lot of publicity (both of whom were already freak athletes, trans or not), where causes like olympic trans lifter Laurel Hubbard doing kind of average? No one cares, because it doesn't confirm their bias.
But in a certain sense, you're right. They aren't cheating (again, you don't really have a strong scientific basis for this claim), but high school sports DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER. It is supposed to build teamwork and shit, not be hyper competitive, which is why it is already very unfair as it is. That's just sports. If anything, the Olympics is where it should be excluded, but the Olympic Committee didn't, and it still didn't affect anything.
You wanna provide a source for that, because I think you're just making shit up. No study has be done, and both the NIH, ACLU, NPR, and probably other publications have all published studies more or less saying there's no evidence of this. So, no, actually it isn't enough evidence. I think you're blowing smoke up my ass.
See, the difference is you spew out some shit like "Uhhh women have periods and smaller hands", and think that's reasonable. Your standard of evidence is measurably lower than mine. I want real evidence, like that \^ above.
Again, kind of just looks like you're making stuff up about Trans people because of your feelings. What about facts over feelings?
Female to males have done nothing note worthy in sport.
Male to females have broken multiple world records.
You can tell me black is really white, that the moon is just the sun at night. But the other sides depiction of reality is much more realistic than yours.
900 medals male to females have won. Have female to males won a single one? It's kind of funny too considering we let female to males take steroids and still compete.
A random news website isn’t a comparable source to the NIH and ACLU lmfao are you stupid? Or are those organizations “woke” or propaganda because the facts hurt your feewings?
Intersex is not a sex in itself, it is a rare condition where a member of one sex is born with biological characteristics of the opposite sex, but they’re still either a male or female.
There are biologically only two sexes, male or female.
Brother the fact that you think gender politics is all there is to left leaning politics says all anyone needs to know about your mental fortitude.
Who gives a fuck about that it does not matter to me at all what the fuck people do to their genitals. Why the fuck would you care? Youre probably circumsised and mutilated anyways.
Just increase social mobility through proper support programs or actual higher public education.
Plus its pretty epic watching the troons beat women in every sport.
Who gives a fuck about that? Oh yeah, only the whiny baby culture war morons. Whatever happened to real politics? Everything is about "muh movies and vidya games are doing things I don't like! Wah wah waaah pls government save me from these scawy things!!!!"
Like 90% of Americans are the dumbest sacks of shit to ever grace this earth. Get over yourselves people and start focusing on things that actually matter like class issues.
looooool are these people exist out of your grifter bros' ragebait videos? Accept it brother, you got scammed because of an imaginary portrait of "sjw".
Now the guy people like you voting destroying the american world domination due to his own stupidity of doing evil.
As someone who always admire mao zedong and xi jinpig, trump is a literal saint for socialism aside from social issues. There won't be faithful nato backed junta generals anymore to stop left after you guys sell the zelensky off. I don't even know how to thank comrade trump for dismantling that cia front organisation usaid.
You know, people always project this assumed embarrassment on Trump voters for voting for him as if the other option wasnt Kamala fucking Harris and the majority of the country magically DIDNT agree.
"Sure the guy I voted in is doing a terrible job already and has actually cost the country MORE money and is damaging standing with other nations but WHAT IF IT WAS A WOMAN WHO LAUGHS FROM TIME TO TIME??"
Do people really think the intel agencies simmered down when Snowden revealed the shit they were doing ? They were doing the Five Eyes shit long before 9/11.
Friendly reminder thousands of faceless government drones and contractors could access that info at any time for years, and you only had a problem when it's Elon/Trump behind the effort
You're trying to downplay what happened but it's not going to work since there is a very big difference between the government having data about citizens stored for necessary access and a bunch of kids without security clearance getting a dangerous level of access to your personal details
Wrong again lol. Anyone going into programs or getting access to classified info by nature is given that clarification status to do their job, just like the government workers and contractors I just mentioned because that's what DOGE is - government contractors empowered by President Trump through his Executive authority. Fail at civics and cry even harder.
Brainwashed into arguing with people on your team. Have you read the spending bill? We're fucked. Just read it and try to gymnastics yourself into figuring out how it benefits you. It doesn't. 330 million working class americans are starting to feel the pain and it's not gonna let up until Zuck has everything in his grubby little hands. You think you're arguing with libs? There are no libs, not a single democrat is lib, they're all gonna wait out this implosion in their new zealand villas. gg
Pretty fucking ironic for you to accuse me of being a propagandist, while spreading a bullshit narrative.
Are you talking about Kevin Cooper? Do you think Kevin Cooper is innocent?
Have you looked into his case and history?
Cause aside from the fact that what you're stating is grossly misrepresenting the truth, I want to hear you explain why you have such a bleeding heart for this guy on death row.
Also, just cause I'm curious to have context around your thoughts on the subject. Are you in favour of the death penalty?
Are you gonna go to war and die fighting people who you're probably friends with online? People who are within driving range of us depending on where you live? And for what? Because billionaire said so?
Are you...living in a hole? Pretty much everyone has admitted that the country has been run by Jill Biden and 6 Gen Z losers for 4 years. Like you think USAID HASNT been funding single party prop ups? Lindy Li left the party over it. She was next to Biden in nearly every public appearance. There isnt an argument that a shadow government HAPPENED.
you think usa's wealth came by good products or freedom? But yes, dismantling those elements will help the socialists all over the world and destroy the america shilling traitors in their countries.
This is a great act by the way if trump was openly a leftist. But no, he scammed you with america going its older days. He's either a giga sleeper agent or too stupid to do evil.
Dude, I truly do not care about your TDS fan fiction. Just pointing out that you losers love to ignore that the other option was a gutted out puppet filled with politician jizz. You can piss and moan all you want, at the end of the day, you're still a loser blaming the winners for having the audacity to win.
no like sure trump got the majority but have you read the spending bill? We're so fucked lmao. Or maybe you can teach me the gymnastics to say how the libs will seethe and you and I will benefit from literally everything that helps normal people being cut into a nice big trillion dollar tax cut for billionaires?
Team = 330 million americans, Zuck convinced you that you're arguing with liberals, I just want my kid to go to a properly funded public school so I can go to work, idfk what you're trying to prove or win or argue when we're all literally fucked. go read the bill
Yeah it does. They polled America you tard. THE majority of America is fucking stoked about him and what he's doing. Your just pissing and moaning and blaming winners for winning. Cope
Do you mean sensible in terms of cramming DEI everywhere instead of addressing the concerns and needs of the average person, or in terms of starting a trade war with your closest allies, devaluing the dollar and the leading US companies on the world stage and compromising the US position as a leader of the free world all in the first month of office?
Being sensible and the existance of the political center is difficult in a two party system.
Apply it across the board then, coward. Nobody should be born with US citizenship. Everyone should have to apply to become a citizen regardless of their or their parents place of birth.
what do you mean across the board? if you're not legal citizens then ofc your child shouldnt be a legal citizen just by virtue of it being born on us soil. if both of your parents are legal citizens then ofc you should get citizenship. are you retarded?
“your child shouldn’t be a legal citizen by virtue of it being born on us soil”
The Constitution and 150+ years of legal precedent disagree with you.
If you’re arguing that being born on US soil shouldn’t determine your citizenship then it wouldn’t determine the citizenship of your parents/grandparents/great-grandparents/etc either. How far back are you going to go for every family to prove that their ancestors immigrated legally?
you cant really retroactively prove anything that doesnt mean you shouldnt change things for the better just because "thats how it always used to be". im sure the founding fathers really had in mind illiegal aliens when they thought up of those rules. a child of illigal aliens becoming a US citizen just because he was born on US soil is nothing more than a loophole that should be fixed
The point is pretty much everyone in the US is a US citizen simply because they were born on US soil.
You are a citizen because you were born here. Your parents are citizens because they were born here. Grandparents, great-grandparents and so on until you get back to whatever ancestor immigrated here.
If you do away with birthright citizenship, and can’t prove that your ancestors immigrated here ‘legally’, then what’s to stop your citizenship from being stripped away?
as i said this isnt something that should be done retroactively but from this point on. if you already have a citizenship than nothing happens. are you trying to tell me that if both your parents are american but you just happen to be born outside of americe you dont get citizenship?
Because being the good guys is what everyone should ALWAYS strive for, even when in morally grey situations.
So while the US is operating on a kid whose parents are illegal immigrants, we forsake other US citizens who came here legally? Do the illegal immigrants pay for that, the kids, or the taxpayers/customers?
So let's say, hypothetically 1,000 kids from illegal immigrants are using the facilities, and 1 kid from a legal immigrant dies because of it, is that fair to the legal immigrant who had to pay for it anyways? or is it a not in my backyard type of situation?
Or better yet, is it fair that the kids get to petition their parents to be legal citizens at the age of 21?
So people from 3rd world countries are dropping kids off for their own need? Seems kind of fucked up to me tbqhfam
On foreign goods we don't need, yes The vast majority of those countries rely on trade with us to survive and have trade deals and tariff policies that are massively unequal in their favor, with tariffs against US that have been in place for decades. Look up the term "reciprocal", anyone against the concept that it should be even and fair across the board for all parties is fucking stupid, dishonest or both. Who's the retard again?
What the fuck do you think the entire point of reciprocal tariffs is? The point is to bring manufacturing back to the country by incentivizing them to build their factories here, creating tons of jobs and profits, or otherwise force other countries to pay a premium to do business here. That's literally how our government was funded prior to the Federal Reserve and creation of income tax. How about the trillions of dollars in investment since he took office? None of that is a factor huh?
Self-reporting what? You watch an annoying beta cuck who reads wikipedia pages. Ion use those words lightly either. Sharpen up lil guy, it's not good optics for you.
Have you been under a rock? The whole establishment left is staunchly against deporting illegals. And yes, they broke the law, and yes trespassing and theft of tax payer money is inherently violent.
what makes you think that? I dislike the democrat for multiple reasons, They are ridiculously soft on crime, want to take my guns, and waste tax dollars on the dumbest shit imaginable, also so any leftists act like cringey weirdos aka redditors and I don't want to be associated with them. Only things they get rights are weed and abortion, but they only seem to act like they care about the weed part, if they wanted to reschedule it federally they would have done so by now.
Name a single democrat that actually took guns. Been hearing this shit my entire life and you fall for that NRA propaganda every time. Meanwhile you voted for the guy who banned bump stocks
Joe biden loves to brag about how he was behind the 1994 assault weapons ban. And it's not NRA propaganda when the democratic politicians themselves are yelling in front of a crowd "Hell yes we're going to take your ar15, your ak47" and when the most recent democratic president called for assault weapon bans dozens of times, and the most recent democratic presidential candidate proposed mandatory buybacks and assault weapons bans, it's not my fault for thinking democrats want to take our guns.
what is your definition of "ban"? because people in maryland are not allowed to purchase or possess 7.62 ak47s, which is what 90% of them are chambered in. You can't even bring them if you're moving here from another state, you have to sell them first. I can't buy an AUG at all, and there is a whole list of banned rifles, and we are only allowed to buy pistols off of the approved list. any gun that isn't on the approved roster is illegal to have, that sounds like a ban on those guns to me.
Ok I’m not sure why you’re complaining about specific state restrictions when we were discussing federal policies this entire time. I really don’t care enough about this to even discuss it with you. It’s clear your priorities are wildly different and a few buzzwords gets your vote every time
there was one, and Joe Biden CONSTANTLY tried to bring it back. You asked for a single time democrats actually took guns, and 1994-2004 is your answer. You're being incredibly disingenuous to act like the current state bans and the previous federal ban aren't a sufficient answer to that question.
Laws that are made with a built-in expiration date are called moratoriums, not bans. It even grandfathered in weapons acquired before its implementation; no confiscation involved. That’s not a ban and it’s entirely irrelevant today.
Synonyms does not mean interchangeable when it comes to legal language. Colloquial names for laws are meaningless. “Obamacare” is a synonym for the Affordable Care Act yet it’s a completely artificial name for it and holds no legal weight nor definition.
so as long as there isn't a federal confiscation it's ok. state confiscations and federal prohibition on manufacturing or sale is 100% fine. Got it. Guess I was fed NRA propaganda all along and the democrats aren't so bad when it comes to guns.
keep ignoring the previous federal ban that lasted for 10 years and all the pushes for more bans.
the most recent democrat president said ““We can ban assault weapons and high-capacity magazines in this country, once again,” Biden said. “I got that done when I was a senator. It passed. It was a law for the longest time and it brought down these mass killings. We should do it again.”
I don‘t need the NRA to tell me that dems are pushing for federal bans.
Stopping any new owners of those guns sounds like a gun ban that just takes a few decades to take effect. if you say “nobody is allowed to buy an ar15, but you can keep what you already have” then that's essentially a life time ban for anyone who doesn't own one already, and eventually all the ones in circulation will disappear.
And that's assuming they'll stop at just preventing future sales. We already know that plenty of democrats want to ban ALL guns for personal ownership, I already linked you the DC vs Heller case that was about exactly that, DC tried to ban all pistols from even entering the district. There‘s no compromising because once the gun grabbers get something banned they dont dust off their hands and say “well my work here is done”. No, they say “alright, what are we banning next? look at canada where nobody is allowed to use any rifles with removable mags.
District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008), is a landmark decision of the Supreme Court of the United States. It ruled that the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution protects an individual's right to keep and bear arms for traditionally lawful purposes such as self-defense within the home, and that the District of Columbia's handgun ban and requirement that lawfully owned rifles and shotguns be kept "unloaded and disassembled or bound by a trigger lock" violated this guarantee.^([1]) It also stated that the right to bear arms is not unlimited and that certain restrictions on guns and gun ownership were permissible. It was the first Supreme Court case to decide whether the Second Amendment protects an individual right to keep and bear arms for self-defense or whether the right was only intended for state militias
that is compeltely different than the point you were making in your previous comment That case destroyed the "well regulated militia" argument because the supreme court confirmed that the second amendment allows individuals to own guns
I totally respect that, not everyone has to agree on everything. I just think that bad faith arguments and denying proof once presented with it is really stupid. No intelligent person or anyone arguing in good faith would be like "i asked for one time democrats have took guns, but that time from 1994-2004 doesn't count because it isn't permanent and the most recent democratic president bragging about taking guns and trying to do it again, and all the current state gun restrictions don't count".
I'm not trying to win a debate or change anyone's beliefs or make them anti gun control or turn them into a republican voter. I just think it's good to discuss topics with the other side so you can hear apposing viewpoints and not just live in an echo chamber. Hard to do that when the person you're talking to has Outrageous Orange stuck in their teeth.
Go read Section VIII: Cases Upholding Arms Bans on page 28 of the ruling you linked. You’re just being willfully ignorant at this point. Here’s the exact document to make it easy for you https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/23/23A486/290545/20231129143010559_NAGR%20SCOTUS%20APP.pdf
goes on to say that it's not actually a ban, despite the fact that you will go to prison if you bring a normal ak47 into the state, and need to sell yours before moving here.
Then claims that the state restrictions don't count as an answer to his "name one democrat that took guns" question because he was only talking about federal, and I guess the 1994 ban doesn't count because it's no longer active.
goes on to say that it's not actually a ban, despite the fact that you will go to prison if you bring a normal ak47 into the state, and need to sell yours before moving here.
Then claims that the state restrictions don't count as an answer to his "name one democrat that took guns" question because he was only talking about federal, and I guess the 1994 ban doesn't count because it's no longer active.
it's ok I'm allowed to have a normal AR15 in maryland as long as it has a heavy barrel (which is what the military uses on their AR's 😱 as it reduces recoil and lets you fire more shots before it gets hot) and we're legally allowed to bring 30 (or greater) round mags from virginia (which I live <2 miles from the bridge). And I was still able to get an AK in 5.56 which is what the ar15 and most nato guns use, and you can actually still get 7.62 AK's if it's shorter length barrel and no stock, I've actually seen a site that sells one of those along with a backpack it fits in and 3 30 round mags.
No restrictions on ammo either except for no 50 cals, so hollow points and green tip or incendiary rounds are perfectly ok. No flamethrowers though.
how? it makes no difference whatsoever except be a pain in my ass. Maryland has an assault weapons ban but I still have perfectly normal AR15's with 30 round mags, I just need to have a heavy barrel which reduces recoil anyways and lets me fire more shots rapidly before it gets too hot. I still have an AK47 but i guess it's safer because it's not in 7.62, it's in the same caliber as the ar15/m16. I couldn't buy my tavor unless I had a gun store permanently weld a compensator on the front to make it long enough since rifles need to be over 29 inches here, but I can make or buy an ar15 "pistol" that's half the length and the same caliber (or larger) and it's perfectly fine because it has a "brace" instead of a "stock" even though they're basically identical.
The only thing the laws do is make it a pain to go to gun shows because I have to check if each model is maryland compliant when there's basically no differences, especially since there's no set weight or definition for "heavy barrel" it's just whatever the manufacturer calls it. an HBAR from one company might weigh less than a standard barrel from another company. It also makes it so I can't get any of the super cheap AR's on palmetto state armory because none of them are stamped as having a heavy barrel. So basically the law just makes it more annoying and expensive to shop for AR's but you can still get one functionally identical to any AR a texan or floridan can have.
it's ok I'm allowed to have a normal AR15 in maryland as long as it has a heavy barrel (which is what the military uses on their AR's 😱 as it reduces recoil and lets you fire more shots before it gets hot) and we're legally allowed to bring 30 (or greater) round mags from virginia (which I live <2 miles from ). And I was still able to get an AK in 5.56 which is what the ar15 and most nato guns use, and you can actually still get 7.62 AK's if it's shorter length barrel and no stock, I've actually seen a site that sells one of those along with a backpack it fits in and 3 30 round mags.
No restrictions on ammo either except for no 50 cals, so hollow points and green tip or incendiary rounds are perfectly ok. No flamethrowers though.
So people don't waste their time following this thread
goes on to say that it's not actually a ban, despite the fact that you will go to prison if you bring a normal ak47 into the state, and need to sell yours before moving here.
Then claims that the state restrictions don't count as an answer to his "name one democrat that took guns" question because he was only talking about federal, and I guess the 1994 ban doesn't count because it's no longer active.
I dislike red flag laws, bud Joe biden went on about "assault weapons ban" every chance he got, and Kamala proposed mandatory buybacks aka confiscation. She also pushed for universal background checks aka a gun registry, safe storage laws meaning it can't be anywhere that you can easily access it when you need to, and oh yeah, red flag laws.
Honestly I admire that you can still say this so confidently when the economy is being ripped to shreds and SS/Medicare are being dismantled from the inside
Provide evidence other than "trust me bro"? Trump has specifically made it clear he wants to strengthen those programs and eliminating the ridiculous amounts of fraud in them is a big step towards that with the DOGE audits
I dunno if you deleted your reply or if it's hidden from me, but those aren't receipts, they're claims. Out of their claimed savings they've posted actual receipts for what...one or two small ones?
Not to mention the lack of context or transparency behind WHAT is being cut, or the misleading claims like our president mistaking "transgenic mice" as "transgender mice" which is just...I don't even know where to start with that.
Again, I HOPE you're right. With every ounce of my being I pray that DOGE is actually gutting government bloat and we the people will see benefits as a result, but until I see tangible evidence of that I'm not getting my hopes up. By the way, year-over-year we spent $36 billion MORE this February than last, and the Dollar is currently weakening. Let's hope these are short term pains for long term gains.
Are you serious dude. The entire point is that nobody normal wanted ANY of these things to be funded with billions if not trillions of taxpayer dollars. The fact that they even exist is offensive to anyone with a brain unless you're ideologically captured by idpol/alphabetti spaghetti nonsense or knee-jerk taking the opposite tack of everything they do because Orange Man and Rocket Man Bad.
Do I trust everything Elon and Trump do? Fuck the fuck no, but the fact that Elon did NOT have to do any of what he's doing, potentially destroy his business and rep and deal with regular death threats just to do a public service for the country without a check says he's actually got some altruistic motives. I actually feel pretty bad for him and his family for the insane hate and violence going his way by psychotic political activists and paid agitators, and I'm sure a lot of it is motivated directly by disgruntled actors directly affected by what he's doing.
The misconception there is that DOGE is cutting anything themselves - that's not their job. They're just recommending cuts in conjunction with the heads of those respective Departments and implementing them with Executive authority if cleared by Trump, but ultimately they have to be codified into law by Congress to end it permanently - which is why people need to keep their toes to the fire to actually implement the spending cuts.
Energy costs, egg prices and inflation are already falling to lower levels as we speak. Small business and general confidence in the country is at the highest level in years. He's already pulled in what, $2 TRILLION in investments already? The guy's been in office for 50ish days, even if you don't like him just let him cook for a bit. As much as I despised Biden I still wanted things to go well even with him as President.
I still fundamentally disagree about DOGE because, again, going on social media and saying “we cut this program that was spending x amount of tax dollars!” Is not the same as providing detailed receipts.
I’m also hesitant to call it altruistic in any form, he’s cancelled probes into his businesses and removed an awful lot of government oversight for himself, even if Tesla is suffering it’s still massively overvalued and he’s still ridiculously wealthy. No one deserves death threats, though.
I haven’t experienced any of these falling costs anecdotally but I’ve seen evidence of them, so no argument there. Worth noting that retirement funds are also falling right now, but we’ll see how things perform long term. We are due for a market correction, overdue if anything. And thank you for the article regarding the animal testing retraction, I didn’t catch it on CNN (I try to avoid all major networks), it was on a feed I follow, so I’ll have to do more due diligence there.
The investments from foreign industries are a positive that I agree with. We DO need more manufacturing here, which is why I hope he doesn’t cut the CHIPS act just because it was a Biden policy.
I’m with you on your last point, regardless of who is president all I want is for things to get better, for all of us.
No problem, man. You’re one of the few people I can actually have a discussion with on Reddit without running into a total jerk.
I agree that detailed receipts would be ideal, but given the state we’re in—$36 trillion in debt, out-of-control spending, and a deeply corrupt government bureaucracy—it’s likely they only have a short window, maybe two years, to get anything meaningful done. The level of fraud, waste, and abuse in government spending is staggering, so like Kevin O’Leary said, you need to go in with a chainsaw and start cutting everything. Once the bulk of the unnecessary spending is gone, you can take a step back and see what’s truly essential, keeping the programs that are popular or actually beneficial. To Elon’s credit, he acknowledges there will be mistakes, but they can be corrected in real time.
As for any sweetheart deals or investigations being dropped in his favor, I’d need to see actual receipts. But from a practical standpoint, why would he even need to do this? He’s the richest guy in the world, and before all this, his products were loved by the very people who now want to destroy him. DOGE was just a joke six months ago, but now it’s helped shift public perception on government transparency, leading to one of the most radical transparency initiatives in history. Trump’s win was largely tied to the expectation that Elon would be involved in exactly what’s happening now. Some argue he’s doing this for government contracts or regulatory favors, but realistically, he would’ve gotten those anyway. He’s at the cutting edge of multiple industries, and even his critics know it. NASA is practically dependent on him, and Ukraine wouldn’t have lasted more than a week without Starlink (and to be clear, I don’t support the war at all).
After everything that’s happened in the last month, I wouldn’t have blamed him if he just walked away. If you watch his interviews, you can tell he’s visibly shaken by it all. It’s not unrealistic to think he’s putting himself at serious risk—he’s interfering with a lot of powerful people’s money, and in some cases, he’s an even bigger target than Trump.
Gas prices are dropping where I am, and that’s saying something since Michigan usually has some of the highest in the country. I think crude hit $65 a barrel today, which is great news and largely thanks to Trump negotiating increased production from Saudi Arabia while we ramp back up domestically. Lower energy costs will drive down inflation across the board. As for the so-called “trade wars,” they’re really just about leveling tariffs we’ve been unfairly hit with for decades. These countries want to do business with us, and if they set up factories here, they avoid tariffs altogether—everyone wins.
The CHIPS Act was a bad move because it handed billions to corporations with no real guarantee they’d deliver. Realistically, a lot of that money will just be laundered, kicked back, or disappear without producing much of anything. Trump’s approach is different—he believes these companies should be paying us to invest, which is exactly what TSMC did with their $100 billion investment and their massive new Arizona plant.
Totally agree, man. Good conversation!
This keeps your core points intact but refines the structure for clarity and flow. Let me know if you want any tweaks!
You believe the claims about DOGE audits with 0 receipts but you want ME to provide evidence? That’s pretty funny, but I’ll pass for the following reasons:
It’s not my responsibility to inform you, plenty of non-mainstream outlets will verify what I have said.
You’d probably claim fake news or not reply anyway
Trumps actions are in direct contradiction to your beliefs yet you still have faith in his words, evidence is unlikely to sway you
And all that aside, this is a meaningless argument on a garbage Internet forum. Technically there’s like a 50% chance that one of us is a bot, too.
If you’re not one, then I sincerely hope you’re right and I’m an idiot. Nothing would make me happier.
They post receipts for literally everything right on the DOGE account on X and on www.doge.gov, you're being dishonest. Point out exactly what your problem is with what they're doing, or the concept of DOGE itself - I'll bet it's entirely based on your personal, biased emotional opinions of Trump and Musk, likely tied to a baseless conspiracy theory invented by other BlueAnon types where they're magically stealing your money and personal info cuz, uhhhh, evil right-wing reasons and muh rich people 🤷🏻 now I'll address your strawmen
1) "I can't substantiate my opinion and claims"
2) because it's self-evidently false, and would be front page news everywhere, not just with other random leftists you source your info from
3) bold claim considering you don't know a fucking thing about me or my beliefs or principles. Evidence such as?
100% correct about this being a garbage internet forum tho lol. A check of my profile would make it clear I'm not a bot either. I also don't think you're an idiot, just heavily misinformed and/or ideologically captured by manipulative people weaponizing your emotional nature and empathy to radicalize you
I genuinely just don’t get this take. He’s actively making every ally despise us and killing social security and Medicare. I understand having a bias to your party, everyone does. But what do you think his endgame is here? He’s senile, get me a competent intelligent conservative president so we can get back to normalcy lol
Donald Trump. But when I have to choose between the candidate who supports red flag laws, or the candidate who also supports red flag laws and "assault weapons" bans and confiscation then it's not a very tough choice.
Honest question here- whenever a mass shooting or 'gun crime' comes up and guns are in the discourse again, I usually see conservatives saying that there was negligence at some point (this crazy person shouldn't have had access to a gun, but they did for whatever reason) and we should enforce existing laws rather than creating new regulations or trying to take guns away.
But what exactly does that look like, if not for registries and background checks? I don't think it's right to try to take guns from someone with a clean record and no threatening or unstable behavior (second amendment, innocent until proven guilty, etc), but what do we do when a 'good guy with a gun' has their gun stolen and used to kill someone else? Does the state not have an interest in restricting the capabilities of someone who may be a danger to themselves or others?
You can report a gun stolen without having a gun registry where the government can see who exactly is a gun owner and what guns they have. Most states don't have registries and a lot of states only have them for pistols.
I think the best way to prevent most gun violence is to take other crimes more seriously and get these people off the street. All the kids hanging out in gangs getting half a dozen times before they shoot at their opps could easily be prevented by not letting them back out the same day. On the point about the people who have never shown any signs of being unstable or violent and have no criminal history, well there's really nothing you can do about them without restricting everyone, and even then they can just rent a uhaul and drive it through a crowd.
I personally would describe the millions of dollars given to elon musk and his useless companies a waste of tax dollars on the dumbest shit imaginable. Could just be me though
Nobody is against deporting dangerous people. It's just that some folks don't want every brown person to be labeled an "illegal cartel-member rapist that needs to go to Gitmo." Even US citizens are catching flak because of Trump being such an insane moron.
if you're here illiegally then you should be deported either way because you're a criminal just by being there illegally. if you are in America legally than you wont have anything to worry about
thats the same with both parties so you choose on other issues. the same with israel, dems love to point out how trump is giving money to israel but that issue would have been the same if they were in power. there's no way that Israels lapdog would do anything else
One of the craziest takes I've ever heard, which completely shifted my view on the government, was from an American friend of mine (I'm Canadian) who likes studying the presidents of America, and the things they did. The thing he said that stuck with me was, "there was never a good president. All presidents are sums of good versus bad. The nature of their job forces them to often make the best of bad decisions, and often, no matter what they choose, people suffer or die." We can talk about things we liked that a president did, and things we didn't like, but it is wrong to say "this president is nothing but bad" or vice versa.
I had a really interesting conversation on AskConservative once, where I challenged the conservatives there to come up with some good things Biden has done. It was a really great thread/conversation, and I was surprised that I didn't hear about many of the things they were praising him for. Funnily enough, one of those things was the CHIPS act, which Trump is repealing now, lol. Wonder how they feel about that.
Anyway, I think your take is unfortunate. We shouldn't say, "agreeing with anything this guy does is not sensible", because if he happens to do something you do agree with, you have no way to voice that support without egg on your face. I think there are a lot of things Trump can be rightly criticized for (personally and recently, destabilizing America's relationships with Europe and Canada), but there are things I think he was correct to do (personally and recently, cracking down on illegal immigration). I wish more conversations like that were possible, instead of the blind and trusty "orange man bad".
Trump is right about the need to deport illegals, secure the border, force Europe to share more of the burden of protecting their own borders, and cut waste in government. These are easy positions to agree with in principle. The problem is not in principle, but in fact.
He lies about everything he does, and has continually proven to be a conman intent on enriching himself and his allies at the cost of the American people, both in dollar terms and in terms of the total destabilization of government, international order, and democratic norms. He is unfit for the presidency if for no other reason than his continued insistence that he won the 2020 election. The insistence itself destabilizes democracy, whether you believe he's trolling or not. You cannot in good faith defend his presidency unless you believe that democracy is a failed experiment and is worth tearing down to see what comes out of the ashes.
It seems to me trumps opponents lie the most and have the most media backing in most circumstances.
If you are Trump, and let us imagine this is true (I think it is but I don’t know what you think) the Russia investigation during his first presidency revealed basically nothing. From his perspective, he sees millions of dollars spent trying to make out he’s a Russian spy.
If he didn’t do anything wrong (in his view) and so much happened to try and assert without evidence he was a traitor, why would he trust them when they say anything, even about an election?
I agree with this and another facet of this is if you talk to liberal in real life, I know it’s scary, but they would probably agree with a strict border policy, Obama and Biden had reached new highs on border arrests and turning people back if it was found out they had a criminal record. Obama and Biden were making a financially conservative, sensible ways in approaching the border issue (increase in immigration judges, lawyers, bidens border bill that trump tried to block had a budget increase towards border patrol). A liberal in real life would tell you to go after the root of the problem, the companies/contracters hiring illegal workers in order to put more money in their pockets that could’ve went to a us citizen. But I guess they weren’t cruel enough to get props from conservatives.
In the send migrants back section you can read that Biden didn’t repeal Trumps title 42 and in fact expanded surpassing trumps 400,000 migrants sent back compared to biden’s 2 million multiple sources say this. I hate to break it to you but he was strict, where he differed was he expanded other resources like immigration lawyers and judges for people that immigrated the right way, along with a border patrol budget increase. Trump deported less people while he expanded the cruelty of it. Biden deported more people with less cruelty
The reason that Biden was sending more back was because more were coming, because, rightly or wrongly, he was perceived by everyone as being weak on border security, certainly not helped when he attacked a border control agent for "whipping a runaway illegal with his reins".
Because Trump was perceived as less friendly towards illegal immigrants, fewer tried to illegally cross the border.
If Biden sent back five times as many, that's an indication that five times as many crossed the border.
The same issue can be identified with Obama's terms. He also deported more than Trump, because more came.
With the recent revelation that the only document Biden signed himself in his four years in office was his withdrawal from the 2024 election, the rest being done with an electronic signature, people are now left wondering if Biden ever actually read any of the legislation that crossed his desk in those years.
Wait wtf is this regarded shit. You're saying if the guy was given the final page of a 250 page bill to sign with his hands while he's in hawaii, you would believe he read the entire bill? Or vice versa? Revelation my ass. How does e-signing have to do anything in the era of internet when every single person signs shit online? "Oh I don't read the terms and conditions so I assume nobody does" like aight I guess
"revelation" man the conservative brainrot is nauseating
Also it's funny that people say TDS when he's the literal sitting president but the brainrot machine gives everyone BDS and even ODS
You cannot in good faith defend his presidency unless you believe that democracy is a failed experiment and is worth tearing down to see what comes out of the ashes.
I actually believe that Trump's election was a great sign that American democracy is still working, and isn't just a series of triumvirate dynasties wearing a funny hat. The fact that a complete outsider to the political elite made it to the presidency means that people's voices still have power. More Bushes, more Clintons, more Obamas just drives the point home that democracy HAS failed, America is a thinly concealed monarchy with families that pass the ruling stick back and forth to keep the plebs believing in democracy. Now, the real question is whether American democracy will survive Trump... I think it's a scary question to ponder, but I also think it's an important test that this system must overcome.
Ultimately, I think that Trump was a result of complacency and ego on the part of the Democrats. The last time the Democrats held a real primary, we got IMO the best POTUS of the last 50 years (being Obama). Then they sabotaged Bernie, and started their downfall. I know three Trump supporters, all of them started out as Democrats and voted Trump because they felt their true candidate (Bernie) was taken from them. Biden and Harris were both pretty weak choices -- before this election, most of what I heard of Harris (from reddit, no less) was her draconian treatment of Black people caught with weed. It seems people didn't forget as easily as the Democrat propaganda machine wanted them to.
If there was a Bernie or Obama tier candidate on the Democratic side, they would've swept it, but they thought themselves invincible and kept shooting themselves in the foot.
Anyway, maybe it's besides the point. A two-party system isn't a democracy. Most of the world doesn't consider it a democracy, and the Founding Fathers didn't consider it a democracy. There are precious few things to point to if you want to argue that it was not, in fact, a failed experiment.
Respectfully, I think this is a misreading of history. The founding fathers were students of the ancient Greek and Roman democracies, and were particularly concerned with the destabilization caused by the rise and fall of demagogues within these societies. They created the electoral college (as opposed to a direct democracy) explicitly so that electors could vote against the wishes of the populace in the event of a rising demagogue. Trump is an aberration within the system, not an intended counterbalancing force.
They created the electoral college (as opposed to a direct democracy) explicitly so that electors could vote against the wishes of the populace in the event of a rising demagogue.
Which flat out did not work, as faithless electors have never changed an election result, and are now illegal in most states.
Agreed, I'm just giving the historical perspective as to why it's an error to conclude that "Because Trump is a populist outsider, he necessarily is fulfilling the founders intentions with respect to democracy".
I don't like that "Maybe things are more nuanced than 'everything this guy does is good/bad'" is a conclusion that needs a wall of text explaining it to not be attacked
Both parties deport people, especially violent criminals. That's a bipartisan policy, hence the deportation numbers we saw under Obama and Biden. The difference is that Donald fearmongers and stirs hate towards anyone that even vaguely looks like an immigrant. He gleefully tries to send ICE into elementary schools and shit and invents absurd lies about people who are literally legal immigrants.
So even in the best example you could think of of him not fucking up he has fucked up majorly. That's the problem with Donald, he has done almost nothing positive for the American people in either term. And he's an unrepentant bastard about it to boot, calling himself the best president in history. It's beyond embarrassing to be an American these days.
so you think NOTHING trump does is agreeable? You think deporting illegal immigrants is a bad thing? simping for trains is a good thing? sending billions of dollars to foreign countries to spread gay propaganda while Americans are being left to bleed(and i dont mean axe wounds)? what about brining back Marc Fogel to America?
I have long since accepted the fact that the average American has the IQ of a dog… Everytime I have discussed politics with a Trumptard it has boiled down to:
Most of the "centrists" I've known are people who have political leanings opposite of their friendship circle and use it as an escape from explaining their actual views.
True to a point, but it's easy to criticize. People fear backlash from saying what they're actually for, not just what they're against. That's what people roll their eyes about centrists.
The misconception is that centrists are neutral on every issue. Those people may exist, but they appear on the alignment chart the same as someone who leans left on one issue and leans right on another totally different issue, causing the average to land the middle. You then take that centrist and compare them to another centrist who leans the opposite on both of those same issues, and they too appear to land in the same spot despite not agreeing on anything.
So an individual centrist can be consistent and not flip-flopping in their own views, but if another centrist has different views, it makes the term seem meaningless, like the "depends who I'm trolling today" joke.
The misconception is that centrists are neutral on every issue
Up to a few years ago, I feel most people wouldn't be shy to say they agree with some points on each side. I actually don't think it is possible for someone to be 100% on either side. People's ideas never fall 100% on one side of the spectrum.
I think Bannon really did a great job convincing people on both sides that if you don't agree 100% with your side you might as well be on the other side
My biggest problem with centrists is really picking the "middle ground" when clearly there isn't one. I feel like there's so much dishonesty to it and so much misguided smug behaviour. It makes them so easy to manipulate with propaganda too.
However ideally this is definitely how we should view centrists. I'm mostly left-wing but I'm definitely not on some issues, but it's important to take a serious stand sometimes. Currently if you're in the EU, there's either taking the military very seriously and funding it enough, or there's the head in the sand. There's no reasonable "in between" or "moderate" take.
However there's also another important thing to mention and that it's possible to have takes that are still highly motivated, without necessarily fully following the typical party lines. But eventually you need some pragmatism because sadly you can't convince everyone with your take.
This is all fair. Your last point actually ties right back to your first, which I was going to point out that usually people's frustration with centrists is when they can't immediately convince the centrist to side with them. People love to say things like "normalize admitting you don't know enough about something to have a strong opinion on it" but then when their own strong opinion isn't as obvious to (and shared by) someone else, they find it hard to not feel like that is taking a stance just to be adversarial.
centrists are almost always center-right in my experience. even things they agree with the left on they take issue as being too fanciful or not possible. they’re fence sitters with no real convictions. as a result they sit on the sidelines while the right takes power
Yeah, especially depending on the context. With some things there is clearly an oppressor or an injustice going on, and to not see it or claim you don't want to pick a side is just being obtuse.
Odd then that so many of them refuse to call out one side. It's almost like they know their audience is not composed of centrists so if they don't toe the line they will lose their paycheck.
While contributing nothing meaningful. I do think that there is absolutely room for mediation and fact checking in politics, but centrism is not a legitimate political ideology. It’s just the proliferation of the status quo.
What a centrist is at the time is defined by the most extreme side at the moment though. The center shifts too much too quickly for a “True Center” ideology to be a thing. This is why a centrist in America is much more conservative than a centrist in Europe, for example.
because the left side has gone completely and absolutely insane. I remember back in the early 2010's being the lefties were the ones rallying against big corporations and a corrupt government establishment. Now they're the corporate bootlickers and are losing their minds over someone cutting the bureaucracy down. Its fucking wild.
Well the "town squares" of discussion in modern times are usually moderated in favor of the left. So if I'm a centrist I'm probably not going to waste time repeating what's already had cases made for it.
He's right though. Every time Asmon talks about personal economics and how/why people make decisions he's right. But every time he talks about actual economic policy he's left. Universal healthcare, UBI, higher taxes, breaking up companies that aren't even monopolies, anti-profit in most cases.
But there are so many cultural lolcows to point and laugh at on the left, you can't help but do so. And when you're getting millions of views per video 3x a day, it's no wonder it making up a higher percentage of his content when headlines are changing hour by hour.
He's anti-woke and left wing economically. He frequently criticizes Trump and right wing pundits despite watching a ton of them. Why can't we call that a centrist?
Tail wagging the dog but in this case it’s the algorithm wagging the society. What I don’t understand is why only the Russians and Chinese are exploiting it.
That happens on both ends of the aisle, it's just manipulated by whoever does a better job of convincing you that the other side is worse for it. I'd argue right wing media leans harder into the rage based "news" angle in convincing people that they're being ostracized and their beliefs and morals challenged.
What needs to be realized is both sides are experiencing similar issues and choose leaders they believe best represent their beliefs in how they wish to handle them.
People are struggling economically on both sides of the political spectrum, but their beliefs on how to handle it vary, and toxic "news" organizations vilify each side and pit them against each other.
The issue the Democrats had was trying to convince the population that they were the representative of their beliefs and their concerns and that they'd address them, it was more a conversation on being "Not Trump." Trump on the other hand was talking about concerns people had and at least stated that he wanted to fix them and how.
Now obviously there's been a Trump presidency previously where there broken promises and even an impeachment, so Americans weighed a leader that didn't sound like she'd address their issues against a leader who said he would but has a dubious history of following through, and they took mister dubious history in the hopes he'd follow through despite it.
If anything, this just shows flaws in the American political system in how it feels like just a 2 party system with a very minimal illusion of choice in leaders.
I wouldn't say Trump was the more sensible choice as any brief glance into his history would show that he is a terrible person to delegate to handle financial decisions of any sort, but he was at least talking about economic policy in a way that was simple and struck at the heart of concerned Americans.
TL;DR: Trump wasn't really a more sensible option, he just seemed like the only option that was talking about the economy when Americans were concerned about it. His past suggests he's terrible economically, but America's poor 2 party political systems restricts American choice, leading to poor leadership options.
But you don't understand!! He supports the deportation of a guy who said that he wants to klll every person in the US. That makes him an evil nazi. Hasan told me so
Bro you're on a subreddit made by people who look for funny posts on 4chan to screenshot and repost onto Reddit. Look in the god damn mirror and stay on Reddit
it's obvious. This post doesn't have enough upvotes to reach the front page and i'm pretty sure this sub is quarantined anyways so it doesn't get recommended to people. All of a sudden there are a bunch of people spouting reddit brained takes, saying people shouldn't be allowed to own semi automatic rifles, shilling for the democratic party etc. when that shit never used to be here.
Yup yup yup. Like the kamala astroturfing that we have receipts from. Where reddit let her gang of merry socialists break the rules to further their propaganda.
mainstream reddit/social media/newsorgs spent all of nov/dec/jan saying they needed to do more to "combat right wing propaganda" and "make our own joe rogan" and such
Then suddenly in feb every subreddit with a history of being hostile to left-wing ideology became flooded 24/7 with left-wing users.
what's interesting is that the right wing comments still have a lot of upvotes, when usually these people will go through and downvote every comment they disagree with, in addition to leaving 100 replies as we've already seen. So it means that there's clearly not that many of them.
Are they trying to drive us off the site by ruining one of the last good subs?
they've been trying really hard to infiltrate this sub too it seems lately.
It's interesting how reddit decides who's the next person to hate. the youtube subs absolutely hate Mr.beast and try to convince everyone that he's one of the most evil and greedy and manipulative and abusive people to ever exist. He didn't do anything specific to trigger redditors, they just decided to all start hating him.
You really believe stuff here on reddit is organic?
If so I have a bridge to sell you.
Reddit is astroturfed to the max. There are multiple articles about it by now. They are organized in discord servers and often run by activists / foreign countries. They basically infiltrated all big subs by now. Some have completely been taken over. Just look at pics/ there was an attempt / documentaries. And I guarantee you (without me looking) that within the first 10 post you will find stuff about Israel and palestine. They barely have anything to do with their original purpose. And shocker- they're all run by the same mods.
They give the order in their discord which posts need to be upvoted/ downvoted and which subs/ posts have to be brigaded.
You can look at polling of every issue. The majority of Americans and the west in general is more to the left than to the right.
With the exception of 2024 and 2004 (due to the Iraq war) the Republicans haven't won the popular vote in 35 years.
The fact that you don't realize that being inclusive is more popular than being divisive, is insane to me. Republicans LITERALLY say that Democrats try to "buy" people's votes, by giving them money in forms of social safety programs and they call it Socialism.
I'm not here to argue the merits of their policies or their practicability - but you don't think that it might be more popular than what Republicans have to offer?
yeah thats what i said. now libs cant even cope that they got screwed by the electoral college. you're saying that majority of americans are left but how can that be true if trump won the popular vote. stop being retarded man
First of all, you don't understand what a landslide means. The term is used if the margin of victory was +10% and higher. The last landslide victory in the US was 1984. Again, Trump only won by a 1.5% margin.
Secondly, in terms of the electoral college, the results were pretty similar to 2016 - even Biden won by a bigger margin in 2020.
Either way, I didn't say the American people are left. I said in terms of polling, they rather lean left than right. You can also just look at the polling and exit polls. Kamala Harris pretty much lost the election because of Gaza. So people either didn't vote for her (or voted for Trump) because they disapproved of Biden's Israel-policy. They were to the left of Biden/Harris!
Theres a difference between having left leaning opinions on certain issues and whats going on here on reddit.
Here it feels like 90% love the progressive left and hate Israel. I mean just think about the pre election cycle. Here on reddit everyone believed that Harris wins in a landslide. In reality Trump won the popular vote.
If you want I can link you to an article or 2 about whats going on here. Complete with infiltration of the discord server etc
Here it feels like 90% love the progressive left and hate Israel
Yes, that's pretty much the percentage of young people who see Israel that way. Reddit is a platform for millennials and gen z.
How many of them support Harris?
That's like going to Twitter and complaining that everybody there is a bot, because they're conservatives. No. It's because it's a conservative platform that only conservatives use.
There are constant Reddit comments to discourage people from using Twitter, because it's a right-wing platform with thousands of upvotes. Do you think a bot would advocate for their side not using certain platforms? That's literally the opposite of what bots do - they advocate for their side to spread as far and wide as possible.
Also: Look at where the money is and who could fund such operations. You think leftists and progressives have money? Do you think they have billionaires on their side? Liberals do, that's true, but leftists?!
Please show me these statistics. Cuz I don't believe that in the slightest.
And its proven by now. Its no conspiracy theory. Who funds it? Right now I only know for sure that the Iranian government funds it but I wouldn't be surprised if Russia, China etc also fund it. You don't even need much.
I wouldn't be surprised if certain rich people inside the west also fund these groups.
Thats not to say that every left leaning comment is fake. Far from it. But its pretty obvious whats happening here on reddit. During the pre election cycle we also had an enormous amount of astroturfing going on. All coordinated by a group of activists and people close to Harris. Also coordinated inside discord servers. Each day they would give out links to stories which should get pushed etc
Again - its documented by journalists. I'll offer it again - if you want to I'll gladly link you the articles
Tell me what statistics exactly you want, and I'll provide them for you?
Edit: oh. You're a Vaush fan. That explains everything
I'm not. But what's that even supposed to mean? You admit that you can't counter any of his arguments? Weird.
It shouldn't really matter who makes the argument as long as it's true, right? Just because I post in his sub doesn't mean I'm a fan. I post in a lot of subs - including this one
dude it's common knowledge that those gigantic standard subs are mostly moderated by the same group of people with tie to the admins. It's been like that for 10 years now.
But in the last months it has become this BIG talking point of Magatards who can't fathom that people make fun of their heros, even in their supposed safe-spaces.
You people truly regarded. No one’s opinion changed because of his Presidency on 4chan. Then why all the sudden a lot of you suddenly appear, say dumb shit, and upvote each other? Because all of you suddenly liked the topic of 4chan? Yeah, right lol.
We've always been here, you just fell for the "all 4channers are unironical nazis"-meme.
There are lot's of Magas here, but equally as much people who just like to shitpost.
With all that hilarious shit Trump is pulling now, do really expect the latter to stay silent? Do you really need ASTROTURFING to explain those reactions?
Hahaha. Gaslighting. No, you weren’t. Libtards were the majority in 4chan but they recently started downvoting chuds? Why they didn’t do that the whole time? Lol.
except that people say this about opinions on stuff that literally happened within the last two months lmao. for the quickest examples see any thread about trump since the election, every one has people talking about the sub being infiltrated in response to mild criticism
problem is nobody (around here anyway) considers whether there's propaganda at play when the comment agrees with the official narrative. to anybody with the balls to scrutinize their own safe space, what you just said sounds an awful lot like a dismissal of free thought as well. but as long as you're not doing a heckin wrong-think, nobody is going to touch it.
they've been trying really hard to infiltrate this sub too it seems lately.
4chan itself is not authentic anymore, arguably since the 2014 crackdowns.
He didn't do anything specific to trigger redditors, they just decided to all start hating him.
MrBeast had a shitton of weird stuff come out about his dealings with participants, had one of his close circle severely damage the brand before being let go, and in general is being looked at much more closely now than before.
There's probably some issues, but how much of it truly is, and how much is rumours only, is hard to decipher. In the end I'd still like to think he's a net positive for humanity.
And idk all the stuff he had going on seemed pretty minor. People latched on to really small details like that he had a convicted sex offender on his payroll, in a job that doesn't deal with children at all. IDK if they think that nobody is ever supposed to hire sex offenders (even though this dude committed his crime at 16) and that they're just supposed to sell drugs or beg on the street for a living, or if they're mad that someone who produces videos watched by kids pays a RSO.
It's interesting how reddit decides who's the next person to hate
It really is. I did some scraping of this site a while back to fill in some blanks in my dataset. And that was one of the things that really stood out for me. Reddit's always got an official bad guy and good guy. And there's typically very little logic about who's chosen for those roles.
I think he withheld payment from a hospital after they provided 100 (?) surgeries to people to cure them of an eye illness, and only caved in after they took flak from social media.
If something hits the front page, other people are going to interact with your content. And ‘Reddit’ doesn’t decide who to hate. Idiots decide that themselves and people don’t like their takes will let that be known bc hate proliferates online interactions more than anything
I agree, I am very liberal but will watch asmongold once in awhile. I don’t agree with everything he says but he’s not nearly as bad as people make him out to be. It feels like most people have never watched him for more then a couple minutes and just made their decision by how he doesn’t immediately agree or disagree with a topic.
If his audience was more left leaning from the start, he would be saying the complete opposite takes he is now lol.
He says it himself. He has a podcast. I've listened. He openly talks about how just farms content. How he no longer cares if a game is pay2win or not because he can just rage bait buy stuff for clicks.
Talks about how great it is to simply watch other people's content and extend the duration for more profit. He doesn't need to create it anymore. He doesn't need to spend time gaming.
And he got into politics because it's the #1 easiest space to make a living grifting lol.
It's hilarious. He's a Ben Shapiro. A hassan. A crowder. A pakman.
Grifting for what purpose? He doesn't use any of the money he makes. He streams (or did for a while, I think Twitch clamped down on it) on his demonetized channel, at a loss to himself, just because it made Twitch lose money.
If the likes of xQc and moistCrit1cal can get away with their bland 'react' takes from actual creators. Why should it be any different for the political sphere. Or is it because he didn't stay in his lane.
I don't really care either way, can't stand moist or that rodent in a skinsuit xqc. If people want to gobble up the manufactured opinions of a cockroach infested goblin then that's their business.
Didn't asmon literally just get banned on twitch like a month ago for something extremely similar to that?
Something about him not giving 1 fuck about the dead children or something? I forgrt the exact thing. But it was clearly rage bait like all the others lol. Imo
he's completely correct, why would the average american care about something that is happening 5k miles away from them when they have immediate problems. but the reality is that asmon got banned and apologized while other people who did the same or worse didnt.
Honestly, I would too. Without remorse. Asmon is getting his paycheck off the back of fucking brain dead right wingers. He deserves the money. And deserve to be mislead. It's a win win for my entertainment value.
Something flipped in his mind when he found out about accelerationism. Hes always been in the closet about his true apathy toward everything in fear of off-putting his audience, but with everything he went through his apathy is shown outright, but now the hatred is closeted. As much as he denies it, he has changed and his evolution is interesting to watch.
He hasn't really changed though. He's always been this way. He was always a horrible mannered person in WoW. To the point where it became his gimmick lol.
He openly talks about fucking people over in the game and how proud he was of scamming and how he used to wake up and think about new ways to scam people LOL
I liked him because he used to be authentic. Even if he was shitty
Are Ben Shapiro and Hasan grifters? I'm not too familiar with them, but from the bit I saw, Ben appeared to be an extreme right (especially with the barbie essay lol) and Hasan the exact opposite
I honestly haven't followed hassan enough. But from what I've seen, he seems to be catering to an audience imo.
Ben Shapiro is 100% a political troll. He's doing it on the far right. He will spend 3 hours on Joe Rogan show talking about how his religion is his own business. And how he doesn't care how others live, and how people should just let others be. Then turn around and try to tell people how to live and force his opinions on others.
There was one time when Rogan asked him about why he was so religious and Shapiro kinda laughed and went "well, look at my audience" or something like that. It was hilariously blatant
but like whats what he says in every stream lmao is this supposed to be some hidden secret? open any random video and you can find a clip of him saying he is farming. whats your point supposed to be?
The real nugget is that the right wing does not question their leaders. That's why you see so many right wing grifters. If you're "in" with the conservative crowd, it's an unending gravy train of money and influence.
Leftists tear down their leaders at the slightest flaw.
Honestly from all the memes etc online the only thing I know about the left is that it promotes DEI and tries to take away guns and freedom of speech.
Besides these things can someone tell me what other policies the left is fighting for that is generally good for average guy?
"The left" is not coherent entity that refers to any one organization, political group, or even set of beliefs. I align closest to some variety of anti-authoritarian Marxist, and I'm not a fan of DEI (as far as it's used in corporate culture), I support the working class owning guns, and I have no problem at all with free speech. Basic policies I support are universal Healthcare, free college, higher minimum wage, and strengthening the power of workers unions. I want money out of politics and the elimination of any form of legalized bribery. I want to enfranchise the working class through the distribution of society's resources. I want to take whatever the billionaire class is getting right now from our tax dollars, in the form of government contracts, bailouts, and loopholes, and use that money to instead promote the civil infrastructure necessary for a healthy and productive society.
You'll have to go actually learn some political theory to start to have a handle on these things. Go pick up a book written by trained sociologists or philsophers on socialism, leftist history, or Marxism. 'A People's History of the United States' by Howard Zinn is a good start. It'll show you how leftism was integral to the foundations of modern American life, taking us out of the era in which robber barons gunned down coal miners for daring to ask for better conditions, to having the most robust middle class in the world. For the love of Christ, don't get your political ideas from grifter streamers who deliberately tailor their speech and opinions to algorithms designed to promote outrage and farm viewership.
Well I'm not that interested in politics to actually read on it. That's why I'm mostly educated by memes and I was just wondering what's up. Like the things you have stated all sounds reasonable and my assumption is that those aren't dividing people in general? I mean besides the mentally retarded Twitter users with 200k posts because it's their life.
We know you think that. So why is trump's hilarious shitshow, that every other country is laughing at, a good thing? Please, explain it to the whole class.
Because exposing corruption, incompetence, and hypocrisy in politics, no matter who it is, forces people to get more involved and open their eyes, The chaos makes it impossible to ignore how truly broken the system is. Whether you love or hate Trump, his presence drags it all into the light.
I clearly established that you are in a cult in my first comment. This is not a new distinction and it's funny that I had to remind you of that. Also very telling of what I'm dealing with here.
I'm asking what corruption was exposed? Give me specifics instead of broad terms
if someone told me that they spend time watching hasan livestreams or even videos I would lose so much respect for them I don't think I could keep hanging out with them. Legitimately worse than if they told me they pay for Andrew Tate's courses.
Same. Trash Taste podcast recently had hassan on again and I just decided I'm done with every interacting with any of those three guys' content ever again and I've been watching Gigguk since like 2013 and sporadically listening to podcast episodes based on the topic since like 2019.
The first time they had him on was bad but understandable because he was a big streamer and the podcast is completely non-political. Having him on again after everything he's done since October 7th is a line I can't get over.
I have a question for yall american out here - how does one be a centrist in the US when you only have 2 parties that seems to either lean into the left or the right?
(Not trying to start anything, legit curious)
It's funny that the only other time people on 4chan talk about Asmongold is to say that his takes are incredibly lukewarm and very crowd-pleasing and he never once says anything actually controversial, basically just going with the majority opinion on stuff
Centrists are just rightoids in disguise, they will offer their asses to the first facist that asks them to.
They will even antitipate the far right's demands and protect them like fragile little puppies.
Centrists are forced to follow the tide because deep down they know that their opinions are fucking useless and that this is their only chance to be involved in "real" politics.
Trump, Musk and JD are all pretty centrist too. (if you do actual check on their policies instead of listening to CNN or smth)
More like leftards are so crazy right now and went so far into extreme left, that they call actual centrists right-wingers, and then centrists like Asmon recognize their own kind among these folks.
I think people forget that Donald Trump was considered a Democrat until relatively recent history.
Go back and watch some of the interviews with Bill Clinton when he was in office, and shortly after. He says a lot of the same things Donald Trump is saying now, just not as aggressively. He talked about closing the borders and getting illegal immigrants out, for example. So did Barack Obama. And on social issues, Donald Trump was the very first president, of any party, who entered office being pro-gay marriage.
The dude is a 90s Democrat, but the Democrats have gone so far left that they consider that “Nazism” now.
If you don’t think the Democratic Party has moved massively to the left since the 90s, I don’t know what to tell you.
Go listen to literally any of Bill Clinton’s speeches from the 90s. Hell, you can even listen to some of Obama’s from the late 00s. They don’t sound anything like the Democratic Party in 2025.
there was a post on /pics a few months ago from a polish soccer game where people in the crowd help up signs to make a big image of a hammer and sickle with a cirle and a line going through it 🚫☭ (basically saying no to communism" and the title called them fascists for it with like 40k upvotes and a bunch of the top comments were calling the nazis. I guess the logic in their pea brains is that the soviets fought the nazis, and the soviets were communists, so if you're against communism then you must support the nazis. IDK.
They literally think that anyone farther to the right than Lenin is a nazi fascist.
Go to Twitter, or literally any other social media that's not Reddit, and you'll see a bunch of regards calling you a communist if you even support the idea of paying taxes or having any form of social program.
That nonsense existed, but it wasn't plastered everywhere like it is today.
People hated Bush because of the silliness that the wars turned into and how he started to have less and less coherent speeches (though not anywhere close to Biden's level, but he'd definitely gone downhill), but the hate was mostly just normal dislike. It wasn't anything like the unhinged, uncontrolled pro-violence behavior we're seeing from people who hate Trump today.
trump is 100% an extremist even if he's not necessarily far right by the all the standards of ten years ago (though Musks DOGE is absolutely pretty far right both socially and fiscally, and so is the budget)
massive broad tariffs on allies, antagonizing allies all over the world, stopping and starting support for Ukraine, killing almost all foreign aid, adding trillions to the deficit for tax cuts to wealthy, deregulation agenda (something I support but it's being done poorly!), aggressively pro Israel
the left has moved to such an extreme that the center isn't the same anymore. 80s or 90's democrats would be considered republican or maybe centrist today.
Anon probably wouldn't listen to one for longer than like 5 minutes. The streamer would try to start talking in nuanced takes and Anon would lose his mind. On a deeper level we desire the drama.
If you want a centrist go watch Critikal, the man is so scared to voice an opinion that more than 51% of the population would disagree with that he sounds like the moralist from Disco Elysium
I remember the original liberals. The ones that weren't destroying property and raiding private businesses. At one point in history, they even stood up to defend my right to speak freely. Ahh, those were good days.
Now, we get this. Constant bickering from both sides and commentators that don't even know what side they advocate for. This is definitely a ride I want off of.
Loneliness probably. I don't watch streamers, but i have fond memories of sitting on a couch watching my brother play games while I read or did soemthing else. And it's hard go replicate that feeling.
yeah, but watching your brother play is sibling bonding, while watching a streamer and caring about their opinions is parasocial in nature. maybe you really just miss the days where you could watch your brother play games, and not watching people play games in general.
Asmon makes bank off retards who can't make their own decisions. I love him, anyone who doesn't, guaranteed is either salty they're not successful or butthurt because he's not pushing retarded leftist ideals.
I cannot imagine tuning in for a political streamer. If somebody has some funny shit to say and aren’t really trying to seriously involve themselves in politics, fine, I’ll listen to an archive but I just can’t bring myself to tune into a live performance of some dude giving uninformed hot takes.
Music exists, books exist, movies exist, hell there’s actually planned out YouTube slop that’s a better use of your time than off the cuff dipshit political commentary
I’ve watched Asmon for years but cant bare him anymore, constantly painting himself as the most neutral guy ever and always fair to both sides but when you watch his content now its just republican glazing, reacting to his god awful sub that posts rage bait 24/7 and doing ragebait himself for views. Haven’t watched him in months so maybe something changed with the actual dangerous shit that Musk and Trump are pulling. But I would guess he just laughs and tries to find an excuse why its nothing to worry about that the president talks about invading allied nations.
Fucking Nazigold over here needs to spend less times worrying about politics and more time in the fucking bath and cleaning supplies aisle of his local Dollar General
I'm sure there are still some interesting things posted on 4chon, but they'll never be seen on this subleddit. Only boring Reddit-tier tardslop like this.
I watch asmon a lot and this post rings true, but theres a lot he dislikes about trumps government and he often makes fun of how much trump lies. He also has big leftist ideals like UBI and free healthcare.
I do think hes watching too much right wing content that tends to have strong speakers and too much garbage leftist media who has literal monkey debate skills like the view blaming everything on racism and sexism.
The fact this guy is as popular as he is now is so depressing.
I watched stream highlights of him years ago, cause i found him disgusting and pathetic which made me feel good. But apparently such behavior makes you rich.
I genuinely think our society is going to have a massive wake up call in 10 years or so because boomers are dying, genx will be in their 70s and unable to continue the skilled labor jobs they currently occupy. Every young person in the west just wants to do the stupid shit that asmongold and every other streamer does...its not sustainable.
I liked his game commentary, but when he started laughing at our country being run by a couple of buffoons like it was one big joke I realized what an idiot he really is.
Well there was that 1 time when he said the Dark Ages was called the Dark Ages because of catholicism/religion. Some chatter corrected him that isn't the case and he outright lost his shit.
Not his usual "pull up chatter and have them explain", he just started calling them names and banned the guy. Others tried to explain about how 'Dark Ages' is due to the fall of the Roman empire and Asmon refused to double check.
Who cares? I wouldn't take any amount of money to swap lives with him, the man lives in a rat infested shithole, never leaves his house and has the most unhealthy lifestyle imaginable, including drinking so much soda that most of his teeth have actually rotted away.
I never understood why he lives like that, though. He has the money to pay for a good cleaning service if he doesn't want to do it himself, go to a good dentist, etc.
It has to be something psychological in nature because there's no logical reasoning that could justify living like that when you have the means to live better and healthier.
Isn't everyone who lives like that a mental health issue? It might be hard to keep a room perfectly clean, but it's not hard at all to pick up big trash and keep it mostly clean.
Oh it's definitely a mental health issue, he had a bad upbringing and grew up in a shithole and generally people who suffer through that either go the route of obsessive cleanliness or continue the cycle of living in filth.
I don't even hate the guy, I was just don't understand the jealousy fueled hatred that people like the anon have for him. If anything I pity the man.
fact-check this guy and see if he likes "pizza." We need to verify some facts from a reliable source regarding pizza for this individual and determine if he likes "pizza". from a DC infamous pizza store.
You don't need another "centrist" streamer. You need to pull your fucking head out of your fucking ass before Russia finishes stealing your fucking country.
Anon thinks being a centrist is always thinking both sides suck. When it is, hey the right is doing good here and the left had a point there. People like anon are why I refuse to call myself a centrist.
Our culture actively hates centrists and seeks to force them to pick a tribe, and it usually works. I grew up a liberal democrat and still have plenty of those same values, but I would have considered myself closer to center for a lot of that time, too. I'm also bisexual, so I'm playing midfield on a lot of fronts. However, the left hates me for that, and I've come to hate them in return for it, too. If you're not a radical leftist, they think you're a radical rightwing nazi. It's crazy how quick the left is to villainize you. The right doesn't do that.
He's popular, cause he's the only unfiltered streamer, who didn't choose comfort and lifestyle after making it. Everyone else is playing it safe and getting along.
People like asmon and m0ist irk me because they're painted as these milquetoast fence sitters with "reasonable common sense" takes yet really have no input on anything and none of their opinions are based on any worldly experience.
Like they're all dudes that spent their teens and 20s on the computer 18 hours a day playing some sort of MMO.
And yet people go to them to get their opinions validated.
At least Tim Poole actually travelled and did investigative journalist and actually was a centrist until he started drinking his own poison and believing his own delusions thinking a civil war or world war was right around the corner so he buys himself a compound in the middle of the woods in northern maryland to live and skate in. And now he shills for russia because he has to keep up his mortgage payments.
Conservative in 2025 is roughly Democrat in 2000. Most people here aren't old enough to remember but if you look at what platforms Clinton ran on it has more similarities to the conservatives than the democrats today.
He likes Bernie though even tho Pugh he’s a grifting pos that takes money from big pharma and says we should tax the rich while owning 5 homes and likes to say I was part of the civil rights march when I was in my 20s. Idgaf
If he isn’t a centrist, then please tell me what a centrist is. If you actually watched Asmongold, you would know that he has criticized Trump, Elon, and JD, on several occasions. So uh…This tard kind of has no right to tell people who does and doesn’t fact check. Clearly he’s too busy huffing Destiny’s and Hasan’s farts to do any actual fact checking himself.
What's up with that dude? I haven't ever seen a video of his because I'm not interested, but I have a friend who is horribly obsessed with him, always trying to get me or our other friends into his videos.
My friend's profile: latino, on a work visa in the USA for the past 6 years (so deportable as fuck, I think, idk), college education, highly intelligent (academically and with irl thingies. extremely fun to debate with about serious topics because he always offers an unbiased, intelligent view.)
what does asmongold offers to attract people like my friend?
if you are watching a twitch streamer for opinions especially of any political nature you are getting farmed.
if you are watching a twitch streamer in general, you are most likely still getting farmed. remember the ecosystem you choose to participate in and try not to exacerbate it. feels useless mentioning this but here you go.
In 2025 "centrist" basically just means moderate. People call themselves centrists so they can have normal, non-radical opinions without getting attacked by their own team AND the other team.
He's definitely a centrist. Trump is also a centrist. JD Vance is also a centrist. Elon Musk is definitely a centrist. There are no hardcore conservatives anymore and people have gone so far left that it's off the political spectrum and onto the autism spectrum.
You understand that IS modern centrism, right? Lefties are insufferable uninformed losers. Pro gay marriage, pro choice, vote for Trump when your other option is a barely functional alcoholic flatbrain, anti-censorship is about as classic liberal as you can get, which IS centrism. Centrism doesn't mean not having opinions. Its just that currently, Democrats arent offering up any good ones to get on board with.
No one of any political affiliation should care about the views of some unwashed rube living in filth and cockrach shit who mumbles at a camera and repeats the most banal obvious shit all day.
he is not 24/7 elon musk good, elon took away his checkmark and leaked his dms because asmon was on him about the pretending to be a poe2 player thing. if we can't have accuracy in our news media let's at least have it in our greentexts thx
You can change the words to the other side of the coin and slap Hassans face on it. Any streamer who talks politics is just weird. Regardless of the party they like.
it's because modern western leftists are not actually left-leaning, they are just schizophrenics. Asmon has a lot of liberal views, I would't even call him a centrist, just liberal
To be fair, I've seen him multiple times criticizing what the government is doing. But the number of times I've seen him supporting what they do is way higher, sadly. And his chat is a cesspool of MAGA.
Forgot the simping for the wealthy and corporations.
They can do no wrong and totally ignores the reason why people like Luigi have to use violence. Of course corporations/wealthy don't need to get violent, they bribe our government to make laws in their favor and have backing of the largest gang in the world.
When nothing else works people go to the last resort to get shit done wether its right or wrong.
But I also like him a lot cause he shows the insanity of redditors .
Soggy_Door_2115@reddit
I love how r/4chan is now just redditors posting the most obnoxious reddit takes they can find on 4chan.
Brussel_Rand@reddit
I think all streamers are profligates who deserve to be put on a cross
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Nothing2NV@reddit
Spoken like a true moderate
mrmiffmiff@reddit
What about Josh Strife Hayes
4spooked@reddit
Multiple shotgun slugs to the face until there is no face left.
TheRealYM@reddit
Tera player spotted
4spooked@reddit
AQW player but close
NeitherPotato@reddit
Least bitter MMO player
Brussel_Rand@reddit
Never heard of him so call it, heads or tails. If you get it right he is free but if you get it wrong he gets crucified Saint Peter style.
Ready? Here's the coin flip >!tails!<
TheRealYM@reddit
He’s the goat
ImSoBoredThatiUpvote@reddit
Ave! True to Caesar!
TheMangle19@reddit
say it to jermas face
Jeffuishere@reddit
Jerma was good like 10 year ago anyway, he wont be missed
BasicBitchTearGas__@reddit
Yall hate on fucking everything
Jeffuishere@reddit
I just think all streamers are cancer and the world would a better place without them
BasicBitchTearGas__@reddit
Whats cancer about Jerma for example
Shan007tjuuh@reddit
He ate my nephew in Las Vegas that one time
Brussel_Rand@reddit
Jerma will be spared as he permanently went offline after making that frustrated anime girl noise
visitfriend@reddit
No amount of weaseling out will spare him
Brussel_Rand@reddit
Good luck catching him. He has the body of a rat, one that is celebrating yet another birthday bash I might add
ThePizzaTimePizzaGuy@reddit
He deserves it as well
Toaster_Toastman@reddit
Add influencers and thotfluencers to the list too.
Brussel_Rand@reddit
Influecers get the judas cradle, thotfluencers get the breaking wheel, onlyfans botches get the brazen bull, breadtubers get drawn and quartered, and Hasan Piker in particular gets a little bit of that Irish Candyman action
Acidic_Wasabi@reddit
What praytell is an Irish candyman? Google only brought u p a weird boxer type person
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Fredest_Dickler@reddit
THE CANDYMAN IS COMIN' FOR YOU HASAN PIKER
Jorvikson@reddit
Who gets The Boats?
Winter_Low4661@reddit
Furries (they'll enjoy it).
I_FAP_TO_TURKEYS@reddit
Idk, I trust streamers over some urchin Fox or CNN decided to give a $200k+ salary to spew whatever nonsense their billionaire CEO paid them to say... Without a chat to call them out when they're being extra stupid.
Granted, chat is usually on the side of the streamer, but at least the discussion isn't between people solely paid to be there.
Brussel_Rand@reddit
They're on a similar playing field for me, but streamers have more of a range for me. There's been some things Destiny has said that I agree with, but that's about it. Though as bad as 24 hour news hosts can be at times, they don't make death threats, align with terrorists, blatantly say they're propagandists, or call for war to install communism as much as streamers do. Anderson Cooper would've been crucified if he said some of the things Hasan Piker and the bread tubers have said.
I mean didn't Kathy Griffin pretty much lose her career and or have a meltdown because she posed with a fake severed head of a sitting US president while Hasan Piker has thousands of defenders even though he hosted a terrorist on his stream once?
NachoNutritious@reddit
There used to be so much creativity on YouTube and Twitch but now it's become a race to the bottom to see who can churn out the laziest content while still calling it a video.
Want to listen to to someone read off Wikipedia entries in the most bored monotone delivery possible? Of course you don't but don't worry, it's organized as an iceberg so it's now worthwhile content.
Want to watch someone "react" to a news article, literally just reading it out word for word on stream while giving next-to-no meaningful commentary or insight? Don't forget to use promo code "goochlicker" to get 20% off your next coffee order!
God knows how many accounts there are with stolen podcast clips where the author used an automated editing tool to detect where pauses in talking are, resulting in an ocean of schizo-reels that randomly cut off in the middle of sentences and no cogent/helpful point gets made.
Every video essay on a game or a movie basically boils down a creator spending exactly 10 minutes saying "good thing is good, because it's good" or "bad thing is bad, because it's bad" without actually telling you WHY.
Even gaming YouTube has gotten shit. People like Mr. Sark and Vanoss used to curate highlights from sessions with their friends for optimal humor or watchability, now it's just unedited 4 hour streams uploaded with no care or fucks given.
FremanBloodglaive@reddit
A lot of it now is about hitting key words for searches so you get the clicks you need to profit from your sector.
It's why so-called mainstream media runs sensationalist headlines that rarely have anything to do with the content of their articles. Remember, "Trump paid only $20 Federal tax in one year" (or something like that). Burying the lede, of course. It would have been far less interesting, and inspired far fewer hate-clicks, if they had said, "Trump paid too much in federal tax one year, so he got his tax reduced appropriately in the following year".
DDLGcplxo@reddit
I will vote for you solely based on this opinion.
SalvationSycamore@reddit
Finally a proper centrist take
fuckitsayit@reddit
Along with their viewers
Brussel_Rand@reddit
Anyone who has given money to a streamer will be put in a big witches cauldron
WolframPV@reddit
The left went so far left and they cant see what went wrong. He makes sense
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rotuzv2@reddit
Vanoss would be the perfect centrist streamer, but he doesn't stream.
VonVoltaire@reddit
This is the most reddit comment section in this sub lmao
This site is such a shithole
wingnut225x@reddit
Then why are you on it?
VonVoltaire@reddit
Because I have a fetish for getting Reddit replies
Proper-Objective-698@reddit
Asmon is NOT a centrist. Dude was happy making 90% video games content until the "inclusive modern audience" stuff began to appear.
He is simply on death-war with woke ultra-liberal culture, a jihad even, and he won't rest until Lara Croft regains her cup size.
He brilliantly said it himself at one point "You just had to fuck with our video-games, now all of us are all in".
bigcoffeeguy50@reddit
Being on a warpath with “ultra liberal culture” does not make someone right wing. You can be centrist and hate ultra liberal culture lmao
pikashroom@reddit
I think people conflate liberal with DEI and trans and conservative with racist. It’s not all black and white. Obligatory fuck asmon tho his takes are wild
MSPaintYourMistake@reddit
you just destroyed your whole argument with that last sentence and i've only seen clips of the dude on the internet
JayJay_90@reddit
You can even be far left and hate ultra liberal / "woke" culture.
assbaring69@reddit
Well, my rebuttal is that he has been reacting to and giving his takes to non-video-games-related political events for a while now. Unless you haven’t really watched his recent streams (or VOD’s, like I have), you can’t possibly not have noticed this. He’s given his take on the fucking Trump-Zelenskyy meeting, for fuck’s sake. He’s reacted to the “boycotting Tesla should be illegal and vandalizing Tesla property will be prosecuted as domestic terrorism” controversy from just a few days ago. It’s one thing not to criticize these things… but if he’s not going to criticize these things while railing only against liberals, then clearly he’s not a “centrist” to anyone with any honesty and common sense, and not just “fighting against the persecution of gamers” like you claim.
Proper-Objective-698@reddit
" 'fighting against the persecution of gamers' like you claim."
Bro when then I did said that? Only thing I said was that his new political zeal roots from video-game controversies. I do not think gamers are being "prosecuted" or that Asmon is fighting for anyone's right. Let me make that CRISTAL clear. Please be more careful.
assbaring69@reddit
Never said I thought you believed gamers are being persecuted. I think you should be more careful as well.
That being said, I do see I misread you, since you never said Asmon is only trying to engage in video-game-related controversies.
Regardless, my point still stands: Doesn’t matter what got him started—he’s now at a point where he’s blatantly reacting to and giving takes on all aspects of politics and blatantly not a centrist to anyone other than Olympian mental gymnasts.
Proper-Objective-698@reddit
I agree with this statement, and see our misunderstandings cleared.
HonkingWorld@reddit
Hogwarts Legacy was ultra conservative. Literally a game made for bigots and nazis.
Zer0_SUM0@reddit
Hogwarts Legacy literally had a transgender character in it and a bunch of brown people in th UK in 1890.
bigcoffeeguy50@reddit
Disliking JK Rowling does not make it a Nazi game bro
HonkingWorld@reddit
mr. man for the trans woman character
bigcoffeeguy50@reddit
The fact that trans characters even exists defeats the whole argument
HonkingWorld@reddit
Yeah I know I'm just pretending to be retarded.
Proper-Objective-698@reddit
My rebuttal is did I not said he is right wing, nor do I think he is. Dude is center-left leaning on most things, but the current social situation made him highly radicalized against ultra-liberal stuff.
AluJack@reddit
Dude could’ve been our guy if he didn’t defend ‚roons so much with his „there are some bad ones but the majority of them are good“ argument. He doesn’t see that that kind of enablist „they can do what they want as long as its not hurting anybody“ behaviour is what got them so far in the first place and it’s what made the game studios he criticises so much the way they are today. Typical American logic tbf.
cplusequals@reddit
You can call him a centrist not because he's utterly apathetic about all political opinions, but because he seems to have his views split from both sides. Strangely he's socially conservative (for current year, still liberal for 2010) and fiscally progressive. Usually I find the opposite to be more common.
nothere9898@reddit
He's also socially liberal for most of the world and in fact by any sane definition of the word, just because the cult funded by BlackRock and Wall Street to divide and distract society and any leftist movement throughout the West has been artificially established it doesn't mean we have to forget what ideologies actually stand for
DappyDee@reddit
We don't stop until triangular romboid boobs are back.
SaintNich99@reddit
What a fucking retarded thing to care about
cosplay-degenerate@reddit
Sounds like he is one of the good ones.
PennFifteen@reddit
He is
SalvationSycamore@reddit
That's the cringiest shit I've heard since people unironically saying "Reddit assemble!" to track down the Boston marathon bomber. And that was over something that actually mattered and killed people not over gay in video games.
Proper-Objective-698@reddit
I think I literally quoted him, btw.
Akiens@reddit
idk most of the time centrists seem to just follow whoever is being more sensible and not calling them names for any kind of disagreement
Glacia@reddit
>sensible
>in America
osbirci@reddit
Bro thinks voting a dude that shouts "they eating da dawgs they eating da cats" made him more sensible.
JeanieGold139@reddit
More than the people who shit themselves every time they're asked to define what a woman is, yeah
scorpionballs@reddit
Right yeah because that’s the number one priority that we need our governments to deal with right now isn’t. FML
Severe_Weather_1080@reddit
Number one priority? No. But if someone is dumb enough to struggle with that it makes you question if this is really someone you want tackling the big issues.
Like if your accountant mentions he’s a flat earther, obviously not directly a problem but if he can be that dumb do you really want him handling your finances?
scorpionballs@reddit
Why are we even having these conversations? WHO gives a fuck? We’re talking about 0.1% of the population, why do you think this is being pushed?
Severe_Weather_1080@reddit
Because people clearly very much do care, just look at the dozens and dozens of people arguing about it in just this very thread.
It’s disingenuous to ask just the people you disagree with to stop talking and voicing their opinion, you very clearly care about this as well.
scorpionballs@reddit
Honestly I’m not one for conspiracies. At all. But I do think this entire trans debate has been created to make something for people to argue about instead of fighting to make some actual change to make our lives better.
If people really care that much about the genitals of 0.1% of the fucking population we are doomed
Severe_Weather_1080@reddit
It’s not much of a debate outside Reddit and other far left spaces though, every poll done on the issue shows 65-80% of Americans agree with Republicans on trans issues.
scorpionballs@reddit
“Agree with Republicans” lol
So 80% of Americans want them to not exist. Great country you’ve got there
Severe_Weather_1080@reddit
I hope you can recognize how insanely disingenuous you’re being.
scorpionballs@reddit
My side - as in, the side where I think that maybe we shouldn’t care so much about a tiny marginalised part of society and let them be, compared to the people frothing at the mouth about about taking their rights away, public toilets use and women’s sports
Severe_Weather_1080@reddit
What right(s) do non-transgender Americans have that Republicans are taking away from transgender Americans?
scorpionballs@reddit
I honestly don’t know if you’re a troll, or just wildly ignorant, but just, loads of stuff
Delicious_Citron4043@reddit
You are a disingenous retard
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Theobromin@reddit
It's pretty obvious that right-wing spaces are far more obsessive about trans issues than left spaces.
https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/transgender-facebook-content-dominated-right-wing-sources-study-finds-n1234252
42Ubiquitous@reddit
100%
42Ubiquitous@reddit
People care about it because it's been blown up to be some huge issue by the news and politicians. Who can play in sports? Let the leagues, NCAA, etc. decide, the fans will choose which way it goes. Who can go in bathrooms? Let whoever owns the bathrooms decide, the customers/users will determine if it's the right move. Politicians don't need to be involved in this, and it doesn't need to be discussed as such a high level. Like the other guy said, less than 0.01% of the population. If you tell them all "no", the total number of people crying is going to be about the same as it is now. They need to focus on more important shit and not distract people with culture war shenanigans.
Severe_Weather_1080@reddit
That goes both ways, if the left just gave in to public will and conceded these issues (sports bans, ban on surgeries and hormones for kids, etc.) they would be free to move on and focus on the more substantial issues you’re referring to.
LoLFlore@reddit
"Public will" dictates private medical decisions?
Either its the kids and parents choice or not.
Angus_Fraser@reddit
Public will dictates that we should mutilat3 children and cause irreparable damage through off label prescriptions, like prescribing the chemical castration drug we give sexual predators, Lupron, to children and causing sterility, underdeveloped organs, etc.
"Public Will" dictates that we should not allow for blatant child abuse.
Lextruther@reddit
Yes because transpeople have ever been capable of keeping anything about themselves "private"
42Ubiquitous@reddit
100%. I'm not limiting this to just left or right. It's both.
throwaway3point4@reddit
Yeah, why are we having these conversations? Nobody brought them up but progressives. Nobody made them government policy but progressives, and people within the government who wanted it to be a problem. And that 0.1% of the population, as you may have noticed, has an incorrigible tendency to spread itself as thin as possible, influencing large swathes of public life, such as neutralizing gendered bathrooms, allowing for the invasion of women-only spaces and the perversion of both sexes, and including indoctrinatory "education" in public schools.
If you want to see why it's a problem, go to Canada and dare to say that you don't want your children being taught these poisonous ideas in the public school system. As a parent, dare to say that you would take your boy or girl out of public school if he or she came back and said "I'm not a boy anymore" or "I'm not a girl anymore". The truth is, we don't care about these things, and would love to be without them; but the attack vector is not to just "waste your time", it's to attack you relentlessly until you've exhausted all your time and energy on the defensive.
GentianGT4@reddit
Harris cared enough to sit down with alphabet groups and talk about how she was gonna give them tax money to chop off their dicks and get implants. Trump ran it as a commercial. The commercial was literally just her talking about it. I saw it nearly every day on tv. He won the election. You're exactly right, why the hell was a presidential candidate giving the time of day to 0.1% of the population.
CFCkyle@reddit
The two are completely unrelated though? If you meet a brain surgeon and he can't give you the definition of what makes a fox a fox it doesn't all of a sudden mean they're unqualified for the job they're doing
Just because a person doesn't immediately have an answer on a simpler topic does not mean they're incapable of handling more complex categories
Lextruther@reddit
it 100% means he's unqualified, what in gods name are you even seriously trying to sell here?
denialofcervix@reddit
OK, what makes a fox a fox?
Lextruther@reddit
being a a carnivorous mammal of the dog family with a pointed muzzle and bushy tail. But that doesn't mean I can do brain surgery. Its just that NOT knowing that means you probably aren't.
denialofcervix@reddit
Yeah, obviously not qualified to do brain surgery if you thought you were going to get away with that one.
Lextruther@reddit
Uh....foxes are canines, guy. They're in the dog family.
denialofcervix@reddit
Yes, but claiming that this answers "what makes a fox a fox" is some restofthefuckingowl shit.
Lextruther@reddit
lol No, thats not what you said. You didnt know they were part of the dog family, did you? You thought you were dunkin on me, and it turns out you DIDNT know the definition of fox, and now you're deflecting 'cause you did a quick google search.
Its okay, its not really that big of a deal. its a pointless fact that doesn't mean anything, you can be wrong about something meaningless and life still goes on. Just maybe next time, dont be so smarmy about something that you didnt actually know, and could've easily confirmed before you show everyone you have a weird hard on for a Gotcha moment with me.
dincosire@reddit
The problem with yours and the last guy's analogies is that those are things not inherently accessible to every person. You can’t be human and not know what a man is and what a woman is, with very few exceptions (I'd say mental retardation is one, but even the average mentally handicapped person still knows there is a difference). If your [literally anyone] doesn't know what a man or woman is, or can’t tell their nose from their ass, then that is highly concerning, regardless of occupation.
Severe_Weather_1080@reddit
It’s not not knowing the definition of a fox, it’s pointing at a duck and saying fox. That would be concerning from a brain surgeon yes
UnsureAndUnqualified@reddit
Define a river then.
The issue is that words have blurry boundaries, and those asking the question want to pick at exactly those boundaries. No definition is 100% perfect because the world isn't black or white and contains lots of weird exceptions.
Hell, we've seen the Trump administration fail at defining men and women in their legislation and you act like a clear and precise definition of a woman is an issue only leftists have.
posting_drunk_naked@reddit
You freaks are so obsessed with trans people lmao
Jolly-Garbage-7458@reddit
What is a woman my friend?
scorpionballs@reddit
Who cares?
SparroWro@reddit
Unironically based response. Trans issues are such a small portion of the population but they’re taken in politics to ridiculous proportions.
s00pafly@reddit
Number one priority how much penis can a woman have before it's gay.
Frequent_Flower7634@reddit
Yeah your number one priority is people who say eating da dawgs and cawts
Ancient0wl@reddit
That’s like asking how much botulinum neurotoxin can be in your food before it’ll poison you.
BannedSvenhoek86@reddit
Ok but what if it's like, a really big clit? I'm talking like an inch, like it's protruding from the folds. Is it gay to suck it?
zekeNL@reddit
Dude… u crazy foo 😭🤣👌 helluva question
Rubber_Ducky_6844@reddit
Just ask if the person is biologically male or female.
Petesaurus@reddit
Can you define what a woman is, in no uncertain terms. The Trump administration failed to, with their definition
JeanieGold139@reddit
From Oxford; An adult female human being
Petesaurus@reddit
And what does female mean?
JeanieGold139@reddit
Again from Oxford; of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs, distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova) that can be fertilized by male gametes.
xmith@reddit
So if they can’t ovulate are they not women?
JeanieGold139@reddit
That can, as in they have the biological potential to even if for whatever reason they currently cannot or were born with a condition preventing it. A man has no biological ability to ovulate under any conditions.
IntelligentTune@reddit
Trump administration would disagree.
Female is obviously a term only trans people can have. This is why they banned the words "woman" and "female" from any and all scientific papers. Before you tell me that I have a bias, that is banned as well.
Why does it matter to people what others want to become if it doesn't hurt others and they themselves? Debating on what language means is useless. Language shifts and changes. Otherwise, we wouldn't use phrases like "check yourself" since that phrase is chess exclusive.
Trump administration doesn't even agree what some republicans think is "sensible." Is it truly sensible to ban words such as female, women, bias, diversity, status, "most risk," political, historically, etc...
Rhetorical question. These words are important to neuroscience (unrelated to gender/sex), software, physics, chemistry, medicine, history, etc...
Yes, they don't check context. No, there most of the time, if not always, there is no alternative phrase.
Lextruther@reddit
Normalizing mental illness does hurt others, and themselves. Pretty much 100% of the time. All people still deserve happiness of course, and we can mitigate the damage from that mental illness, but glorifying does not mitigate it
FerDefer@reddit
so to be clear, hair transplants and TRT should be banned too?
Lextruther@reddit
Um wut
FerDefer@reddit
You said that people suffering from mental illness due to body dysmorphia shouldn't be encouraged.
So, bald people shouldn't be allowed hair transplants. And people with low T shouldn't be allowed hormone treatment. Right?
Lextruther@reddit
You think balding is a mental illness? Lol what even is this argument you think you’re making?
FerDefer@reddit
You tell me; is body dysmorphia a mental illness or not?
Lextruther@reddit
You want me to tell you what you think? I don't get what you think is happening here.
FerDefer@reddit
I'm asking you to clarify your position. Do you think body dysmorphia is a mental illness?
Lextruther@reddit
You’re dodging the question. Literally everyone reading this knows exactly why. It’s astonishing you haven’t realized by now that this isn’t working out for you.
FerDefer@reddit
You're dodging the question. Why can't you engage with my very simple question to get clarification on your position? Do you think that body dysmorphia is a mental illness? Is that your position?
Lextruther@reddit
Yes I am. I've pretty clearly stated I am. Because why are you talking about Male Pattern Baldness? You're the only one talking about baldness. The rest of us are talking about transpeople.
FerDefer@reddit
I sent you a peer reviewed scholarly article about male pattern baldness being a form of body dysmorphia.
So, is body dysmorphia a mental illness?
Lextruther@reddit
No you didn't. You said "bald people shouldn't be allowed hair transplants.".
And you didn't SEND anything. You posted the name and title of a study from 23 years ago, conducted to examine any correlating factors between baldness, depression, obsessive compulsion, anxiety, and an inclination towards Body Dysmorphia, whereupon the study was done on a whopping 172 people. Thats not even a determinatory representative study.
You also left this out:
so 9 percent of bald people have a level of Body Dysmorphia beyond that of your standard super insecure bald guy.
I still don't see why any of this matters or why you're talking about bald people, but its obvious you're trying to walk me into some trap you think you've set up. I wonder if you can make the terrible point you're trying to make without walking me there, or is your argument so bad that it needs my help to get past the finish line?
FerDefer@reddit
There's no trap, it's a basic discussion for which I need to know your position on body dysmorphia. I get that you fell down the right wing schizo pipeline but are you actually that paranoid to think every discussion is a personal ambush on you? That's quote pathetic.
Body dysmorphia is a mental illness, and baldness can cause body dysmorphia (even if rarely, like you pointed out pointlessly). So if your position is that body dysmorphia is a mental illness that shouldn't be treated by gender affirming care, then hair transplants, a surgery which affirms a mentally ill person's gender, should be unacceptable.
So what's the cutoff? When does body dysmorphia become okay to treat with gender affirming surgery?
Also love how you ignored the point about men without low T because you couldn't refute it.
Lextruther@reddit
Thats not what that study determined, guy. There is no evidence that baldness causes BDD.
lol if you think that I beleive hair transplants and genital mutilation are the same thing, and you think THATS my position, then go on and explain why I would think that.
How about Double Masectomy for 15 year olds and puberty blockers for 12 year olds for starters? We'll start there and see how things go.
FerDefer@reddit
You haven't explained the cutoff. When is it okay to treat body dysmorphia?
Lextruther@reddit
Again, if you think that I believe hair transplants and genital mutilation are the same thing, and you think THATS my position, then go on and explain why I would think that.
FerDefer@reddit
why would I explain your position? What do you think a discussion is?
answer the simple ideological question. When should and shouldn't you treat body dysmorphia?
Lextruther@reddit
Because you just insisted upon what it is:
I didn't say any of that. You said it. And you said thats my position.
FerDefer@reddit
Hahaha, you know what, this is actually really good bait. I didn't get it at first, but now I see the meme and respect it.
>outright refuse to answer any questions about your position whatsoever
>repeatedly say "explain my position then!"
>cry "bro why are you making up my position???"
A bit of a shame I wasted my time, but I can respect a decent bait.
Lextruther@reddit
If thats how you need to justify all this, then okay.
FerDefer@reddit
Me: "Do you think body dysmorphia is a mental illness"
You: "Yes I am [refusing to answer]. I pretty clearly stated that I am"
You: "Explain my position then"
You: "I didn't say that!!!"
Bravo sir.
Lextruther@reddit
Again, if this is how you need to justify this, then fine. It makes no difference to me. I dont know you.
FerDefer@reddit
Justifying? Those are direct quotes.
Lextruther@reddit
Youre so pressed you Redditcared me. Jesus christ.
FerDefer@reddit
Well it seemed like you have dementia, since you couldn't remember your own quoted words. I hope they find a cure!
Lextruther@reddit
However you need to cope. I reported it.
FerDefer@reddit
oh no!! What if I get banned from le reddit? how horrible!
Lextruther@reddit
Okay, I can see you're having a moment, I'll just let you have the last word, so that you can feel like you've won something here. Have a good rest of your day.
FerDefer@reddit
pretending your chronically online ass can resist reading this.
get well soon
FerDefer@reddit
Hair loss dysmorphic disorder–a frequently encountered and often neglected disorder
M Radmanesh, S Shafiei, M-E Mortazavi
Dermatology and Psychosomatics/Dermatologie und Psychosomatik 3 (4), 193-195, 2002
Practical_Use_1654@reddit
So a trans woman is a woman who was born with a condition preventing their ability to ovulate?
JeanieGold139@reddit
What biological potential does a dude with balls, a dick, and no uterus have to ovulate?
Practical_Use_1654@reddit
When you were an egg cell in your mother, you had the biological potential to ovulate. Does this make you a woman?
ConscientiousPath@reddit
An egg cell is only half of you. The sperm cell is the other half and determines the sex gametes. So no an egg's potential doesn't make anyone a woman or not. The instant you come together as a genetically whole you, your sex is already determined.
Practical_Use_1654@reddit
Is a person without legs nor themselves because they don't have legs? Is the egg cell that created half of you, you? No. Does it have the biological potential to be you? Yes.
Lextruther@reddit
Is "the amount of legs human beings have" a "spectrum" or is it two?
Funny-Control-6968@reddit
So an egg cell is a human being now?
Practical_Use_1654@reddit
Didn't say it was. My point is that the word 'potential' is carrying a lot of weight in this definition.
Lextruther@reddit
No. Its not. "HUMAN" is carrying the weight. You're just being dumb
Practical_Use_1654@reddit
Does an egg cell have the biology potential to be a human? Yes. Is it a human? No. Does an egg cell have the biological potential to be a human woman? Yes. Is it a human woman? No. Does an egg cell have the biological potential to be a human woman that can ovulate? Yes. Is it a human woman that can ovulate? No. Mull that over in your own time. Please read slowly.
Lextruther@reddit
That would be great if we were talking about the potential of an egg cell. We're not.
Then we don't need to talk about it, and you can stop pulling this dumb thread your pulling.
SlowTortoise69@reddit
Yeah, then shortly afterwards my testes dropped and I became a man and lost the ability to potentially ovulate. Not really sure what you think you have here, but it's pretty poor argument. Just thank the man for his time and admit you are wrong, it will be less embarrassing for you.
Practical_Use_1654@reddit
My point is that the word 'potential' is carrying a lot of weight in this definition. You say that having the biological potential to ovulate then losing it I.e. gaining testes means that your not a woman is contrary to your definition of "Thay can, as in they have the biological potential to even if for whatever reason they currently cannot or were born with a condition preventing it."
JeanieGold139@reddit
An egg cell that's unfertilized isn't a man or woman, it's completely unsexed.
Lextruther@reddit
"an egg cell in your mother" is neither adult, human, nor male.
Lextruther@reddit
No. A trans woman is a man.
MaxIsAlwaysRight@reddit
What does "biological potential" mean?
Petesaurus@reddit
And what does "denoting" mean?
JeanieGold139@reddit
It means you should have paid better attention in middle school English class
Petesaurus@reddit
I'll help you out - It means "indicating", or "being a sign of". So basically presenting as the egg bearing sex
DappyDee@reddit
Those aren't affordable in today's society.
Thankfuly it only took 1.5 months of this administration to fix that issue.
Petesaurus@reddit
So if someone isn't creating materialistic value, then they're not worth having around?
DappyDee@reddit
Do thoughts and prayers pay the groceries and bills?
Petesaurus@reddit
What do you think we should do about people with downs syndrome? They aren't profitable. Should they be killed? What about people who use a wheelchair? It'd certainly be cheaper if we never had to account for those who can't use their legs.
DappyDee@reddit
Are those people not able to get jobs or help out at home in some way? Do we not have tailored programs for education and training designed for them?
That's kinda able-phobic of you, bro.
Silver_Emu_662@reddit
You ate stupid
mjc354@reddit
I'd ask you what "basically" and "presenting" mean, but we both know the way you're using those two words is carrying so much weight they could replace the Golden Gate bridge.
OneEntrepreneur3047@reddit
lmao gottem
Lextruther@reddit
it means you're fucking dumb if you don't know what denoting means.
Aleximon99@reddit
lol this guy dropped a transpositive definition but he's too retarded to understand it anyway
Lextruther@reddit
The biological sex associated with the ability to produce ovum. You don't get to pretend its hard for us just because its impossible for you.
Petesaurus@reddit
Biological sex is not binary, there are several biological sexes that are able to produce ovum. What do you mean by "the biological sex"
NewToSMTX@reddit
i sincerely hope you're being honest and not trolling, because this is why people absolutely hate the progressive left lmao
KennyOmegasBurner@reddit
You're literally advocating for genocide
NewToSMTX@reddit
lol k
Petesaurus@reddit
I'm completely honest, there are many outliers to the binary definition of biological sex
Lextruther@reddit
Those biological outliers are STILL either men or women, guy. True hermaphrodites dont actually exist. Intersex outliers still fit criteria of being one or the other.
Petesaurus@reddit
So what would these criteria be? Where is the line drawn?
Lextruther@reddit
It is. Sorry. You're just wrong.
Petesaurus@reddit
I'm not. If biological sex is defined by chromosomes, then we have plenty of "egg bearing" women who have XY chromosomes. Are they men?
Lextruther@reddit
You brought up chromosomes. I didn't. There are two sexes. There are zero realities where you win this argument.
Petesaurus@reddit
How are the two sexes defined then?
Lextruther@reddit
Men - An adult human male, associated with the biological sex that produces spermazoa.
Women - An adult human female, associated with the biological sex that produces ovum
Again, just because your weird cult has decided this is impossible to define, doesnt mean it is.
Petesaurus@reddit
Now you've defined woman and man, not the sexes.
Lextruther@reddit
Again, you're wrong. Yes I did. Woman and man ARE the sexes, despite your worship of John Moneys meaningless attempt to sperate sex and gender. But it wouldnt matter even if I agreed, because I contained the definitions for the sexes in there. You're just purposely being obtuse.
Petesaurus@reddit
If "man" and "woman" are the same as those biological sexes, why are you using "associated with"? Can't you just say "A woman is the biological sex that produces ovum"
Lextruther@reddit
Because they are each ASSOCIATED WITH a different ability, genius.
Petesaurus@reddit
So now you've defined two sexes, which is somewhat complete. Some people are born without the ability to produce any gametes.
My point is, that this definition is not helpful in everyday interactions. It's very relevant if you're a medical doctor or trying to have a baby with a person, but otherwise, it ultimately doesn't matter.
Lextruther@reddit
An individual HAVING the ability is irrelevant. Just as a woman doesnt stop being a woman after menopause or hysterectomy, she is still born of the SEX that has that ability.
Of course it is. To deny this is deny the bedrock of nearly every social interaction. Just because were not overtly screaming "FERTILE!" at every girl we see doesn't mean recognizing biological differences hasn't played the dominant part in interaction since man first met woman.
Petesaurus@reddit
Your definition does encapsulate intersex people, but you can put anything into a box if you're reductive enough.
Rational trans people aren't going around saying that they are biologically able to produce ovum.
I don't deny that general biological differences play a part in all of our interactions. These are, hopefully, not based upon whether you want to impregnate the other person or not.
Lextruther@reddit
yewt
Petesaurus@reddit
Tell me when this umbrella definition of a man and a woman is useful? Is it useful as a doctor? Probably, but if your patient is intersex, then those nuances might be nice to know. Is it useful when you want to figure out whether you can have a baby with someone? Yes, unless this intersex person can't have babies for whatever reason, then those nuances might be nice to know about. During what interaction, is your definition a helpful one?
Lextruther@reddit
Why? Are we talking about the definition being useful or are we talking about the definition existing? You dont seem to realize I've had this very argument a thousand times and you all take it down the exact same paths at every turn in the conversation. And right now, you're trying to veer onto "WELL WHAT DOES IT EVEN MATTER" street. And I don't know why you would think its any of my business to tell you what you're supposed to care about. We are talking about what IS and ISNT, not HOW one guy on reddit is affected. But I will say this as an answer:
Practical definitions are ALWAYS important. Defining and discerning and understanding and applying just ARE important. Always. I genuinely cannot imagine HAVING to explain to someone that practicality is always useful. I mean that, truly; I would not know where to begin to explain such a base, instinctual, almost primal concept as "Being able to point at something and know what it is is core to the human experience".
Petesaurus@reddit
How is it a practical definition if it can not be used practically? I'm asking for a scenario in which your definition is practical
your definition goes so far against this, that we need samples of a person's sperm og eggs before we can determine what they are
Lextruther@reddit
You disagreeing with the definition has no bearing on whether or not its practical. Thats just you defying reality.
Petesaurus@reddit
Tell me a scenario where your definition is practical. Otherwise, what is practical about it?
Lextruther@reddit
We have already been through this. I am not going to tell you what to care about. You are talking in circles now. Do you have anything new?
Petesaurus@reddit
You haven't explained how it is practical.
Lextruther@reddit
And I'm not going to, as I've said now three times. It is not my business to tell you why you SHOULD care. You are your own man. If you don't have anything new, we can end this.
Petesaurus@reddit
Why not? Are you not able to? I don't have anything new? You're unable to answer my question
Lextruther@reddit
Mkay. Have a good rest of your night then.
DoreenTheeDogWalker@reddit
I'm sure after all that running around in circles and asking about practicality like a broken record, they walked away feeling victorious over a chud.
You'll never convince a true believer of Christ that he's not the son of God. Just as you'll never convince leftists of the definitions of sex and gender. It's a new modern-day religion that has abandoned reality for faith in one's own beliefs.
Lextruther@reddit
They work so hard just to non-argue, and the position of reality is just so simple to explain. It has to be exhausting being a lefty.
Petesaurus@reddit
The reason why I'm not defining the sexes, is because I'm not claiming that they're easy to define. It's a very complex topic, and I'm not a biologist. You're the one claiming to have this knowledge
Lextruther@reddit
is because to do so honestly would shatter your already brittle world view.
And you'd be wrong. It is so simple to define, in fact, that our brains have evolutionarily developed the keen ability to definitively discern which sex a person is simply by LOOKING at them with 99.999997% accuracy.
Petesaurus@reddit
How is being tolerant of new ideas a brittle worldview? You're the one not able to accept that the world is more complex than you thought when you were 10
Simply by looking at them huh? Seems to be a pretty nice way of defining it then
Lextruther@reddit
Because none of you can explain it. You cant describe it, explain it, point to it, discern it, map it out, diagnose it, predict it, test it, observe it, or report about it. You swear its a "feeling" but then you cant even describe that either, but you SWEAR it exists and if anyone doesnt believe you, they should be banned from social media and fired from their jobs. It is an ideological unicorn that is pushed and taught specifically through fear and intimidation...
That is the very definition of a brittle world view. You are NOT tolerant. You are authoritarian.
Making shit up out of thin air does not fit the criteria of the world "being complex". Its just you putting on a dress and playing pretend. You are of the incredibly arrogant mindset that if someone disagrees with you, they are somehow the close minded one. Which is wild because again, you are the one with zero discernable evidence, or a definition, or any sort of demonstrable explanation for "If a woman is not of the sex generally associated with that which produces ovum, then what is a woman?" other than "Whoever decides they are"
Petesaurus@reddit
I'm not trans. I'm simply not an asshole. If someone asks me to respect that they would prefer to be treated some way over the other, I'll do that. It's really that simple. What fear and intimidation is used to push the trans agenda? What planet are you living on? I don't think people should be fired for not agreeing with me, but if you're discriminating against your coworkers, then you're an asshole, and not fit to be in the workplace.
A woman is a very societal concept. We define what a woman is to us, through social norms, as well as physical characteristics. I bet you've called one of your guy friends "girly", for painting his nails, og having long hair or whatever. A person's ability to produce gametes is very rarely relevant to your interactions with them, unless you're their doctor, or trying to have a baby with them. Why not just accept how they feel about themselves, and treat them with respect? After all, they are real people who haven't done anything wrong.
Imagine your consciousness is transported to a cis woman's body. Would you just accept that you're a woman now? Or would there be some part of you that still felt like a man? Would you be comfortable in this new body?
Lextruther@reddit
Yeah this is the other bullshit argument male feminists love to make. "I JUTHT RETHPECT OTHER HUMANTH". Grow up.
I don't particularly care what you do or what you tell yourself to justify doing it. You're just bragging about how great you are and what a proud ally you are because thats always where this argument goes when you get backed into a corner.
Its not. Its an adult human male associated with the sex that can produce ovum. Its not conceptual at all. Its biological.
I have. If you want to get into the nuanced of femininity and masculinity, which ARE conceptual, but rooted in sex/gender, we can do that. But I know exactly what avenue you want to go down with this gambit, and its not going to go well for you.
Why Do I have to accept anything? To be honest, I'm pretty sure all of us DO accept how they feel about themselves. They dont seem to accept our desire to not play pretend all over eggshells just to affirm what is, by all measures, a delusion.
I truly dont know what ground you're trying to gain by making me imagine a Freaky Friday scenario, which is, yet again, you trying to make me give serious consideration to something that is just pretend.
Petesaurus@reddit
I'm not great for accepting people for who they are, it's a relatively low bar. You're just not clearing it
Lextruther@reddit
Now would be a good time for you to note that my identity and my life is not dependent upon you accepting me and that your bar doesn't mean anything to me. Unlike the people we're arguing about, I don't require your acceptance to affirm my existence.
Petesaurus@reddit
Trans people don't require your acceptance, they require not to be harassed
Lextruther@reddit
Okay well now you're definitely playing pretend.
Petesaurus@reddit
You don't think trans people are being harassed? Do you know any, or of any?
Lextruther@reddit
Statistically, Transpeople are the safest marginalized class in western civilization.
They suffer the lowest identity-based violence out of anyone, they currently hold the untouchable-by-all-of-societys-criticisms status, and they have every single right any other human being has. There is no trans genocide happening. There is no overwhelming trans harassment campaign. I live in the bluest county in my state, and there's a fair amount of trans here. The overwhelming majority of them are transtrenders, and mentally ill. I have never seen a single video of anyone physically assaulting a transperson for any reason, let alone because they were trans, but I have seen countless of trans people turning into absolute hyenas at the sight of a MAGA hat, or at a conservative guest speakers conference, or at a protest. The whole ideology REQUIRES victimhood, and I'm sorry but it just aint there. Critics of the movement largely just want to be left alone.
Petesaurus@reddit
I mean yeah, it's not an innately visible characteristic, so that doesn't surprise me. However their rights are being stripped away in America as we are speaking There's also a massive difference in being hated for who you are, and being hated for what you believe in. Trans people exist, and it's not something that will change. Conservatives choose to be who they are.
Lextruther@reddit
Please cite 3 rights that they don't have, that every other human has.
Nobody really HATES transpeople, guy. If anything, Transpeople suffer from isolation, not attacks. You want to talk about the plight of the Trans, its that nobody interacts with them and they cant find love. Thats a REAL thing they suffer with. Hatred and violence though? Thats all fan fiction designed to keep you having this very conversation.
Well, as long as you're finally admitting "Its okay when WE hate", cuz its aways (D)ifferent for you guys, but I have pretty bad news, Transpeople are choosing who they "are" also.
Petesaurus@reddit
No, trans people do not choose how they feel. They choose how to express themselves.
And yes, it's okay to hate people for the hateful views they choose to have
That's the same argument as saying that abolishing gay marriage isn't discrimination, because gay people have the same right to marry a person of the opposite gender as everyone does. Their right to live their life, as the person they want to
Lextruther@reddit
We can wax semantics all day on this point and get nowhere. I disagree with the discernment, but whatever.
This is why you guys wont win elections. Your opinion here is the minority, overwhelming minority. We're stating reality from a biological perspective and you guys call it "hate". Nobody takes progressives serious anymore and this is why.
Well no its not, because abolishing gay marriage IS discrimination.
But I will accept that you will yell and scream about these "rights" that are being taken away, but cant actually point to any.
Petesaurus@reddit
Trans people are no longer allowed to have their preferred gender listed on their passport. I'm sure you don't believe it, but there is much more to come
Lextruther@reddit
Thats not a right. A passport is a document that states your biological sex, not preferred gender. You also have to put your real name on a passport, I couldn't get "HugeCock" on mine. Give me an example of a RIGHT, you seem to think that ALL their rights are being stripped away, I imagine you could name ONE.
Petesaurus@reddit
I don't know how you can look at history, and see all the times that marginalized groups have risen up, and demanded recognition, and still believe that you're on the right side, when you're against the newest marginalized group that has gained attention
Lextruther@reddit
Because black skin, asian heritage, irish heritage, brown skin, and buttfucking arent mental illnesses, they WERE being oppressed, and they couldnt STOP being black, asian, irish, brown, and gay.
Also, they werent insufferable entitled assholes who ALREADY had every protection they were demanding, and knew who their actual enemies were.
The trans movement wants you to blindly accept their ideology without any evidence and if you don't do it, you should be unpersoned. You're describing marginalized groups that rose up and achieved goals. You're forgetting that jackboots did the same thing.
Petesaurus@reddit
Petesaurus@reddit
Trump has banned trans people from serving in the military, and removed discrimination protection. They also straight up don't exist in law anymore, so no other laws can protect them.
Lextruther@reddit
This one you might have me on. But only because you don't think its a mental illness. I do, but you think being Trans is some sort of natural anomaly so I understand how you think this is a stripped right.
Petesaurus@reddit
Yeah, I understand that we need some sort of basis to agree on. Normally empathy is a pretty solid one, but doesn't seem to apply here
Lextruther@reddit
You're trying to appeal to my better nature again. That doesn't work. I don't care if you consider yourself socially enlightened or not. "I'm nicer than you" isn't an argument and its meaningless here.
Kaitivere@reddit
So infertile males aren't men or women? crazy.
FunMarketing4488@reddit
THERE ARE DOZENS OF US
Petesaurus@reddit
What does it matter? Even 1 outlier means that your model is inaccurate
Lextruther@reddit
Thats incorrect. Nothing is defined by the existence of outliers.
Petesaurus@reddit
What? If I claim that everyone fits into one of 2 boxes, and someone comes along, who doesn't fit into either, then I was wrong.
Lextruther@reddit
You're operating under the assumption that your claim that they dont fit into either is accurate. It is not.
Petesaurus@reddit
Disregarding that, your other reply is wrong. If I claim that all numbers are either negative or positive, and someone tells me about 0, then I was wrong.
Lextruther@reddit
Oh thats a convenient debate tactic.
Thats correct, but I am assuming that would be the reason you WOULDNT claim all numbers are either negative or positive. I don't know how hypothetically making one incorrect claim somehow helps you here.
Petesaurus@reddit
You said that NOTHING is defined by outliers. I showed 1 example, which disproves that NOTHING is defined, or rather, redefined by outliers.
Lextruther@reddit
That is correct.
No you didn't. You made up criteria that nobody before you has ever subscribed to. Nobody is currently "defining numbers as ONLY positive or negative". I'm politely trying to get you to realize that your analogy is shit and doesn't apply.
Petesaurus@reddit
Oh my god Newton formulated laws about gravity, that worked well enough on earth, and pretty good in space. Some observations were made that contradicted Newton's laws. Someone came around in the early 1900's and made new and better laws. Newton laws were, and are, wrong
Lextruther@reddit
....okay?
Do you want to pivot to talking about Newton here, or....?
Petesaurus@reddit
You claim that NOTHING is defined by outliers. Any rational person, will see a contradiction to their claim, and either retract their claim, or update it to include these outliers.
Or I suppose define the scope of the claim, so the outlier doesn't affect it
Lextruther@reddit
I dont know why you keep repeating my words back to me. I know I said this.
Heres what your problem lies, and you shockingly dont understand it:
"IS EITHER POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE" is not the definition of "Numbers.
Nobody has ever even described "Numbers" as "either negative or positive"
Positive Numbers, and Negative Numbers, AND Zero, are still numbers.
Intersex people, despite having an elongated clitoris, or a micropenis, are still EITHER male or female.
Intersex is a slight deviation from what we would consider the "normal" understanding of sexes, they have different looking genitalia, or produce more or less testosterone or estrogen, or sometimes have traditionally ambiguous facial features, but they STILL have either testicles or uterus, and the criteria does not change.
Petesaurus@reddit
You still have got to admit, that it is not true that absolutely nothing is defined from outliers. You have to consider outliers to have a complete definition, otherwise it is not complete
Lextruther@reddit
No, I DONT have to admit that. Because it would be inaccurate to do so. All rules have exceptions, it is the natural way of things. That doesnt mean they aren't rules. Life doesnt run very well when you dismantle all practical standards and applications for one guy in Tuscon. We still live in a society.
Petesaurus@reddit
All rules have exceptions, precisely because they aren't complete rules. These exceptions define the scope in which the rule can be used within
Lextruther@reddit
That is not how it works. But you are free to believe that. It makes no difference to me.
Petesaurus@reddit
Now you're just defying logic. If a rule applies in all instances, it cannot have exceptions. If it has exceptions, it does not apply in all instances
Lextruther@reddit
Again, I'm not going to go back and forth with "Nu uh" to you.
Petesaurus@reddit
You're providing no argument, you're just saying I'm wrong with nothing to back it up
Lextruther@reddit
Mkay.
Petesaurus@reddit
That's not true, some intersex people have testicular and ovarian matter. There's also complete gonadal dysgenesis, where there is neither
Lextruther@reddit
Yeah its forever dormant, one dominated by the other.
Thats not correct. It is underdeveloped or incorrectly developed, it is not absent, and that is what I already described.
FunMarketing4488@reddit
You truly are the king retard
ckg85@reddit
lmao. keep this up man (genuinely). your side will never win a consequential election again.
INFERNOdll@reddit
a woman, duh
idiot206@reddit
What is an adult and who decides what that means?
SlowTortoise69@reddit
A person who is not a child.
idiot206@reddit
When are you no longer a child?
EvaUnit_03@reddit
When they stop developing.
Scientists have determined that we stop physically developing around 26-28 depending on gender.
And adult stays at a sort of equilibrium of regeneration and degradation. This is presumed to start after adolescence is finished, which is the final stage of childhood.
And old person or 'senior' is when you degrade faster than regeneration. This is different based on genetics, environmental conditions, and a host of other issues that may or may not be outside of a person's control.
idiot206@reddit
There are genetic conditions that speed or slow physical development, would a 12 year old with progeria be an adult?
EvaUnit_03@reddit
Certain disabilities can also cause degradation at an alarming rate, just like certain genetic conditions speed up/slow down development. Both would be labeled as disabled/handicapped and not classified technically as child or adult. They'd be labeled on a societal level as those.
Societal levels are not scientifically accurate. But we do live in a society or whatever.
SlowTortoise69@reddit
You're not Socrates, lil bro. A person is no longer a child when they grow up into an adult.
Funny-Control-6968@reddit
N-no, that's not the turn this conversation should take.
DappyDee@reddit
Yes Alex, I'll take "Something you are replying to" for 400.
ConscientiousPath@reddit
username checks out
inthebushes321@reddit
Actually we're all women according to Trump
PartyClock@reddit
If you can't understand the answer when they explain it to you I don't think the problem is with them
Severe_Weather_1080@reddit
What is a woman?
PartyClock@reddit
An adult human that identifies as female.
Tell me if any of those words are too big to understand
Lextruther@reddit
You cannot "identify" as a biological sex.
Unless you weirdos really ARE going to start preaching that trans-racial is a thing, and that you can also identify as a cat.
Which I'm all for, by the way, I would love to still be alive to watch when leftys try to run more of this obvious nonsense up more flag poles.
PartyClock@reddit
Wow you almost sound like you know what you're talking about but don't. You may want to discuss things with Merriam-Webster if you want definitions to change however as it states:
Lextruther@reddit
None of this is an argument. Enjoy your day.
PartyClock@reddit
You're right because that would imply that you have any real counter-point to offer.
Lextruther@reddit
k bye.
PartyClock@reddit
PartyClock@reddit
Also you never answered earlier.
If "right-wingers" are soooo correct all the time, where's the pizza? The emails? Obamas "real" birth cert? Also where did winter go? Why is there no more snow on Christmas anymore? Why have tax cuts only resulted in the rich getting richer? Where are the WMD's? There's countless examples so I figured I'd give you just a few to mull over.
I look forward to you ignoring all of those.
Severe_Weather_1080@reddit
What does it mean to identify with the term female if you can’t even define female?
PartyClock@reddit
You asked for a definition of woman. I gave it to you but again, you seem to not understand what different terms are.
Which words are you having trouble with?
dincosire@reddit
How does someone “identify” as female? They simply declare it, or is there more to it?
Severe_Weather_1080@reddit
Which part of my response gives you the idea I didn’t understand any of your words or your meaning? I understand perfectly I just disagree with you.
But why don’t you define female for us.
PartyClock@reddit
I've already jumped through your hoop, time for you to define it.
Severe_Weather_1080@reddit
A female human being, no need to try and change a definition that has worked fine for eternity just to loophole trans people in.
EpicIshmael@reddit
Or our diaper wearing president
Severe_Weather_1080@reddit
Which one are you referring to?
EpicIshmael@reddit
The one who can't physically stop from shitting his pants because he couldn't stop taking Adderall.
eventualwarlord@reddit
I thought conspiracy theories and misinformation was bad?
I_FAP_TO_TURKEYS@reddit
Not a conspiracy when you can see him scratching his nose like someone who has snorted Adderall... As well as the dilated pupils.
Lextruther@reddit
you know, the ollllllllll "Adderall Scratch" we used to call it down in the holler
I_FAP_TO_TURKEYS@reddit
It's definitely a thing! Lol. As someone who's DOC is amphetamines, we can tell he's on em.
Lextruther@reddit
Uh huh.
I_FAP_TO_TURKEYS@reddit
Once you learn the tweaker speech patterns, it's pretty hard to not recognize it.
Lextruther@reddit
Mkay, Doc. Whatever you say.
EpicIshmael@reddit
Not a conspiracy when you can see it bulging out under his clothes
Lextruther@reddit
....do you not know how shit works?
eventualwarlord@reddit
You like to study Trump’s buldges huh?
DappyDee@reddit
Not if you're on Retarddit, then it is not only recommended but also encouraged.
See r slash pics for more proof.
eventualwarlord@reddit
Ohhh so it isn’t bad when they do it.
Severe_Weather_1080@reddit
Which one are you referring to?
EpicIshmael@reddit
Trump
DedOriginalCancer@reddit
go offline and you'll see that a lot of lefties aren't as batshit insane like your average tumblr user
CatSpydar@reddit
People have defined a women. It’s the people who keep asking that who have a problem. They only want to hear one answer and freak out like your response.
Lextruther@reddit
This simply is not true.
dincosire@reddit
While circular definitions are technically definitions, they are not suitable definitions, since they don’t actually convey information.
harcole@reddit
It's someone who covers her drink when you are around
inthebushes321@reddit
Yawn, straw-man for regards, from regards. Really showing your cards here.
A woman is a human female, the sex of which is designated at birth (not always correctly). There are 2+ sexes: Male, Female, and Intersex. Intersex is not so much a separate sex, but a mixture, and has been recognized for thousands of years in cultures globally. Think of a palette with blue, purple, and the colors mixing brilliantly in the middle. That's sex.
Gender is absolutely a social construct and relates more to societal roles, differing by society. This is where the confusion can come in, especially considering how Right-wingers are repelled by all facts that don't support their position - such as the fact, for example, that when brain analyses are done on individuals whose gender identity is different from that present on their birth certificate - e.g., MtF - they find the individual in question has a brain more structured like their preferred gender identity - MtF's have more F brains, FtM the opposite.
So not only is not a clean division at all, especially between cultures, but the scientific confusion mostly comes from Rightoids who are completely fucking scientifically illiterate and say dumb shit with no evidence like "sex is binary and there are only 2 genders".
External_Yard_4679@reddit
So why are males being allowed in female sports?
inthebushes321@reddit
That wasn't the question. That's a political question, not a biological question, which is what was asked.
It seems like you're asking what my opinion is. Which is as follows.
Why they're allowed is simple, there are such an extremely, incredibly small amount of trans athletes at high schools nationwide (trans people are 1.6%\~ of the population, some estimates put the number of trans athletes nationwide at under 100), that it's not worth it instituting blanket policies, especially when it's high school sports which already doesn't matter and is wildly unfair (sports are unfair in general, if you don't like it, suck less at sports), and even more especially because this is a minority group who has suicide rates ranging from 7x to 20x higher than the general population, depending on which study you view. It's just not worth it to chase what is largely a boogeyman to persecute an already persecuted minority group.
I mean for the Right it is. This is just me positing from a school standpoint why it doesn't make sense.
External_Yard_4679@reddit
So transgenders are allowed to cheat basically because of completely unrelated reasons to sports.
Wounder why Trump won lol.
inthebushes321@reddit
There's not especially strong evidence to suggest being transgender inherently carries a competitive advantage, mostly due to lack of data. Which means it's just fucking feelings again.
There are so few trans athletes compared to the regular pool of athletes, and the famous cases like Emily Bridges and Lia Thomas get a lot of publicity (both of whom were already freak athletes, trans or not), where causes like olympic trans lifter Laurel Hubbard doing kind of average? No one cares, because it doesn't confirm their bias.
But in a certain sense, you're right. They aren't cheating (again, you don't really have a strong scientific basis for this claim), but high school sports DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER. It is supposed to build teamwork and shit, not be hyper competitive, which is why it is already very unfair as it is. That's just sports. If anything, the Olympics is where it should be excluded, but the Olympic Committee didn't, and it still didn't affect anything.
External_Yard_4679@reddit
Statistically the amount of records transgenders have already beaten for their population alone is enough evidence.
Then we can go on to biologically differences that willl never be able to be made up for.
Females tendons don't respond to training in the same way males do.
Females have a wider pelvis which means their legs point inwards, which leads to knees which are weaker and more likely to be injured.
Females have slower reaction speeds, which transition doesn't affect because it's the central nervous system.
Then obviously other stuff like females have periods, males don't. Height advantage, bone advantage, bigger hands and feet.
inthebushes321@reddit
You wanna provide a source for that, because I think you're just making shit up. No study has be done, and both the NIH, ACLU, NPR, and probably other publications have all published studies more or less saying there's no evidence of this. So, no, actually it isn't enough evidence. I think you're blowing smoke up my ass.
NIH: "The disproportionate focus on the relatively small portion of the population who are trans seems based on the belief that cis men, who cannot succeed in sports among other cis men, would choose to misidentify as trans women to gain an advantage in sports against cis women. However, there are no legitimate cases of this occurring" etc Actual scientists with an actual research paper.
ACLU: "A person’s genetic make-up and internal and external reproductive anatomy are not useful indicators of athletic performance,”according to Dr. Joshua D. Safer. “For a trans woman athlete who meets NCAA standards, “there is no inherent reason why her physiological characteristics related to athletic performance should be treated differently from the physiological characteristics of a non-transgender woman.”
See, the difference is you spew out some shit like "Uhhh women have periods and smaller hands", and think that's reasonable. Your standard of evidence is measurably lower than mine. I want real evidence, like that \^ above.
Again, kind of just looks like you're making stuff up about Trans people because of your feelings. What about facts over feelings?
External_Yard_4679@reddit
Female to males have done nothing note worthy in sport.
Male to females have broken multiple world records.
You can tell me black is really white, that the moon is just the sun at night. But the other sides depiction of reality is much more realistic than yours.
NeitherPotato@reddit
Crazy how he provided multiple sources and you can’t give a single one so you just start saying shit. I Wonder why?
External_Yard_4679@reddit
Alright well if opinion pieces are considered evidence.
Here's an article for you.
900 medals male to females have won. Have female to males won a single one? It's kind of funny too considering we let female to males take steroids and still compete.
NeitherPotato@reddit
A random news website isn’t a comparable source to the NIH and ACLU lmfao are you stupid? Or are those organizations “woke” or propaganda because the facts hurt your feewings?
Lextruther@reddit
Transgender competitive runner currently holds the record for fastest time for females.
2nd place is 5 hours behind.
But sure, no advantage there.
Lextruther@reddit
Vidya_Gainz@reddit
Sociology is nonsense fake science created by women to allow other useless women believe they're "scientists."
Severe_Weather_1080@reddit
Intersex is not a sex in itself, it is a rare condition where a member of one sex is born with biological characteristics of the opposite sex, but they’re still either a male or female.
There are biologically only two sexes, male or female.
bjergdk@reddit
Brother the fact that you think gender politics is all there is to left leaning politics says all anyone needs to know about your mental fortitude.
Who gives a fuck about that it does not matter to me at all what the fuck people do to their genitals. Why the fuck would you care? Youre probably circumsised and mutilated anyways.
Just increase social mobility through proper support programs or actual higher public education.
Plus its pretty epic watching the troons beat women in every sport.
tracenator03@reddit
Who gives a fuck about that? Oh yeah, only the whiny baby culture war morons. Whatever happened to real politics? Everything is about "muh movies and vidya games are doing things I don't like! Wah wah waaah pls government save me from these scawy things!!!!"
Like 90% of Americans are the dumbest sacks of shit to ever grace this earth. Get over yourselves people and start focusing on things that actually matter like class issues.
NeitherPotato@reddit
Yeah bro because that’s truly a problem laying waste to millions of lives. What ever will we do
TumboTumbo00@reddit
You're probably the type of person who says, "NO ONE CARES ABOUT YOUR GENDER," then proceeds to care very much about someone's gender.
Lextruther@reddit
Every time I've seen this exact behavior, its from some lefty male feminist Zoe Quinn worshipping game developer.
Severe_Weather_1080@reddit
Why are you on r slash 4chan whining about people not wanting to play pretend with you?
osbirci@reddit
looooool are these people exist out of your grifter bros' ragebait videos? Accept it brother, you got scammed because of an imaginary portrait of "sjw".
Now the guy people like you voting destroying the american world domination due to his own stupidity of doing evil.
As someone who always admire mao zedong and xi jinpig, trump is a literal saint for socialism aside from social issues. There won't be faithful nato backed junta generals anymore to stop left after you guys sell the zelensky off. I don't even know how to thank comrade trump for dismantling that cia front organisation usaid.
Lextruther@reddit
You know, people always project this assumed embarrassment on Trump voters for voting for him as if the other option wasnt Kamala fucking Harris and the majority of the country magically DIDNT agree.
PartyClock@reddit
"Sure the guy I voted in is doing a terrible job already and has actually cost the country MORE money and is damaging standing with other nations but WHAT IF IT WAS A WOMAN WHO LAUGHS FROM TIME TO TIME??"
- You
Lextruther@reddit
lol He's crushing it. Cope more.
PartyClock@reddit
Government spending has already increased and every American citizen had their personal information compromised by a subcommittee
Angus_Fraser@reddit
You mean the personal information that we just hand out to any website that asks?
PartyClock@reddit
Oh dear child you don't know the difference between private companies that aggregate data about people vs your social security number and tax info.
Angus_Fraser@reddit
Oh, you mean the info that unelected bureaucrats have had access to this whole time anyways?
PartyClock@reddit
DOGE caught violating policy
PartyClock@reddit
Oooooh those scary faceless nameless bureaucrats!
P41N90D@reddit
Do people really think the intel agencies simmered down when Snowden revealed the shit they were doing ? They were doing the Five Eyes shit long before 9/11.
PartyClock@reddit
Big difference between NSA tracking people vs a bunch of drugged up kids with no vetting stealing your information.
Whatever other arguments you heard from Ben Shapiro about this subject are going to fall apart when you think about them for longer than 3 seconds.
StrizzMatik@reddit
Friendly reminder thousands of faceless government drones and contractors could access that info at any time for years, and you only had a problem when it's Elon/Trump behind the effort
PartyClock@reddit
You're trying to downplay what happened but it's not going to work since there is a very big difference between the government having data about citizens stored for necessary access and a bunch of kids without security clearance getting a dangerous level of access to your personal details
StrizzMatik@reddit
Wrong again lol. Anyone going into programs or getting access to classified info by nature is given that clarification status to do their job, just like the government workers and contractors I just mentioned because that's what DOGE is - government contractors empowered by President Trump through his Executive authority. Fail at civics and cry even harder.
PartyClock@reddit
Oh? The law thinks differently about what doge is allowed to do
Talk about fail at civics lmao
Lextruther@reddit
shhhh i know, babes. orangemanstillbad. I know sh sh sh.
sprakes_@reddit
Brainwashed into arguing with people on your team. Have you read the spending bill? We're fucked. Just read it and try to gymnastics yourself into figuring out how it benefits you. It doesn't. 330 million working class americans are starting to feel the pain and it's not gonna let up until Zuck has everything in his grubby little hands. You think you're arguing with libs? There are no libs, not a single democrat is lib, they're all gonna wait out this implosion in their new zealand villas. gg
StrizzMatik@reddit
She's a falling-down drunk and actual retard
PJ7@reddit
If you don't see how she was the better option yet. You're an idiot.
I wonder what needs to happen for you to see that.
Maybe the US-Canadian war as it progresses and escalates.
Kamala Harris is so much more qualified for the office of President than Trump is.
Angus_Fraser@reddit
Us spanking Canada in a war would make me support Trump even more, bud. What crack are you smoking?
PJ7@reddit
Well, I'm not a sociopathic Imperialist fascist, so it's hard to relate to you about this.
Angus_Fraser@reddit
You are if you thought the cop that withheld evidence that exonerated a guy on death row because it would make her prosecution numbers look better.
Or you think she was better because you are just genuinely ill-informed and deepthroat propogandists.
PJ7@reddit
Pretty fucking ironic for you to accuse me of being a propagandist, while spreading a bullshit narrative.
Are you talking about Kevin Cooper? Do you think Kevin Cooper is innocent?
Have you looked into his case and history?
Cause aside from the fact that what you're stating is grossly misrepresenting the truth, I want to hear you explain why you have such a bleeding heart for this guy on death row.
Also, just cause I'm curious to have context around your thoughts on the subject. Are you in favour of the death penalty?
Lolisnatcher60@reddit
Are you gonna go to war and die fighting people who you're probably friends with online? People who are within driving range of us depending on where you live? And for what? Because billionaire said so?
Angus_Fraser@reddit
We're not going to war unless Canada strikes first, which they're not, because they'll get spanked.
Shaggy diggy
P41N90D@reddit
Women can do better
Lextruther@reddit
lol
osbirci@reddit
So? Usa works with its bureaucracy and doctrines. That woman was not going against those. But trump does.
Your country america was ruling the planet earth. Maintaining the status quo was a net positive instead of choosing trump.
Lextruther@reddit
lol never change.
Jartipper@reddit
“Deep state” - Elon
“Corrupt” - 300-500m to get Trump elected, 100m more deposited into trumps PAC account after the Tesla commercial outside the White House
“Corrupt” - Trump family meeting with Binance to be cut a stake in the company all while Zhao denies being in talks with Trump to obtain a pardon.
Lmao
Angus_Fraser@reddit
Someone watches CNN
Jartipper@reddit
Imagine believing anyone under 70 watches tv news, you’re 1000% a brainwashed rightoid if this isn’t trolling
StrizzMatik@reddit
Objectively false lol
speedracer13@reddit
Ah yes, because our president making impromptu Tesla advertisements to assist his billionaire investor is truly disrupting the deep state.
utter_degenerate@reddit
Did you complain when Biden did the exact same thing? https://www.greenmatters.com/p/biden-electric-vehicles
speedracer13@reddit
Yes. I think forcing EVs on consumers is stupid.
utter_degenerate@reddit
Fair enough. At least you're consistent.
coom_accumulator@reddit
Do you think the deep state is a real thing?!
Lextruther@reddit
Are you...living in a hole? Pretty much everyone has admitted that the country has been run by Jill Biden and 6 Gen Z losers for 4 years. Like you think USAID HASNT been funding single party prop ups? Lindy Li left the party over it. She was next to Biden in nearly every public appearance. There isnt an argument that a shadow government HAPPENED.
coom_accumulator@reddit
If the deep state is real then why is Trump president right now?
Angus_Fraser@reddit
The deep state is literally just the unelected bureaucrats
Lextruther@reddit
Fair question. Kamala is THAT unlikable.
NeitherPotato@reddit
Gen Z losers huh? You mean kinda like the college kids elon has ripping apart government agencies?
Lextruther@reddit
...your argument is that Elons team was running the white house the past 4 years?
PartyClock@reddit
"because you look super dumb every time it turns out they were right"
Oh?
Angus_Fraser@reddit
The "Deep State" is literally just shorthand for "unelected bureaucrats"
NeitherPotato@reddit
It is, and the hilarious part is he’s on their side without realizing it.
osbirci@reddit
you think usa's wealth came by good products or freedom? But yes, dismantling those elements will help the socialists all over the world and destroy the america shilling traitors in their countries.
This is a great act by the way if trump was openly a leftist. But no, he scammed you with america going its older days. He's either a giga sleeper agent or too stupid to do evil.
Lextruther@reddit
Dude, I truly do not care about your TDS fan fiction. Just pointing out that you losers love to ignore that the other option was a gutted out puppet filled with politician jizz. You can piss and moan all you want, at the end of the day, you're still a loser blaming the winners for having the audacity to win.
Expert_Lab_9654@reddit
"majority" lol
23% of americans voted for trump our turnout is dogshit
Lextruther@reddit
Cope.
Expert_Lab_9654@reddit
ikr basic math gets me down sometimes too
BtownBlues@reddit
Cope and seethe
sprakes_@reddit
You're fighting with your own team in this thread smh
BtownBlues@reddit
Majority baby
sprakes_@reddit
no like sure trump got the majority but have you read the spending bill? We're so fucked lmao. Or maybe you can teach me the gymnastics to say how the libs will seethe and you and I will benefit from literally everything that helps normal people being cut into a nice big trillion dollar tax cut for billionaires?
Team = 330 million americans, Zuck convinced you that you're arguing with liberals, I just want my kid to go to a properly funded public school so I can go to work, idfk what you're trying to prove or win or argue when we're all literally fucked. go read the bill
Lextruther@reddit
Yeah it does. They polled America you tard. THE majority of America is fucking stoked about him and what he's doing. Your just pissing and moaning and blaming winners for winning. Cope
Balastrang@reddit
Lol coming from the mental illness <
eventualwarlord@reddit
You really want to compare genius Kamala’s brilliant statements? 😂
Brilliant_Area8175@reddit
Tell me you’ve never met an off the boat Haitian without telling me
squidbillygang@reddit
we just want him to deport illegals
_Addi-the-Hun_@reddit
i swear it is insane, they live in a alternate reality of pure delusion. the trans thing literally broke their brains
papertowelfreethrow@reddit
honestly those were pretty based comments
wrathofbanja@reddit
The key word in that sentence is "more", not "sensible".
kryptoniankoffee@reddit
Except he literally said it was a dumb thing for him to do.
osbirci@reddit
Well at least he noticed one among many of his dumb acts lol
alurbase@reddit
And you still want our help?
Formal_Walrus_3332@reddit
Do you mean sensible in terms of cramming DEI everywhere instead of addressing the concerns and needs of the average person, or in terms of starting a trade war with your closest allies, devaluing the dollar and the leading US companies on the world stage and compromising the US position as a leader of the free world all in the first month of office?
Being sensible and the existance of the political center is difficult in a two party system.
NewLifeInAfghanistan@reddit
..The context of this comment suggests that you think agreeing with Trump and Co is sensible... and to bring up name calling? This must be bait.
MyDogsNameIsSam@reddit
NOOOO U MUST NOT DEPORT THE HECKIN CRIMINALS!!!!
donkeybuns@reddit
They literally just deported an American child with brain cancer….
Really going after the bad guys it seems.
Throwawayroper@reddit
You mean an immigrant, parents should have followed the legal process womp womp
donkeybuns@reddit
The kid was born in the US = they are a US citizen.
Imagine denying a child access to care for their brain cancer and thinking you’re the good guys.
VegetablePlane9983@reddit
that exploit's gonna be patched out
donkeybuns@reddit
Apply it across the board then, coward. Nobody should be born with US citizenship. Everyone should have to apply to become a citizen regardless of their or their parents place of birth.
VegetablePlane9983@reddit
what do you mean across the board? if you're not legal citizens then ofc your child shouldnt be a legal citizen just by virtue of it being born on us soil. if both of your parents are legal citizens then ofc you should get citizenship. are you retarded?
donkeybuns@reddit
“your child shouldn’t be a legal citizen by virtue of it being born on us soil”
The Constitution and 150+ years of legal precedent disagree with you.
If you’re arguing that being born on US soil shouldn’t determine your citizenship then it wouldn’t determine the citizenship of your parents/grandparents/great-grandparents/etc either. How far back are you going to go for every family to prove that their ancestors immigrated legally?
VegetablePlane9983@reddit
you cant really retroactively prove anything that doesnt mean you shouldnt change things for the better just because "thats how it always used to be". im sure the founding fathers really had in mind illiegal aliens when they thought up of those rules. a child of illigal aliens becoming a US citizen just because he was born on US soil is nothing more than a loophole that should be fixed
donkeybuns@reddit
The point is pretty much everyone in the US is a US citizen simply because they were born on US soil.
You are a citizen because you were born here. Your parents are citizens because they were born here. Grandparents, great-grandparents and so on until you get back to whatever ancestor immigrated here.
If you do away with birthright citizenship, and can’t prove that your ancestors immigrated here ‘legally’, then what’s to stop your citizenship from being stripped away?
VegetablePlane9983@reddit
as i said this isnt something that should be done retroactively but from this point on. if you already have a citizenship than nothing happens. are you trying to tell me that if both your parents are american but you just happen to be born outside of americe you dont get citizenship?
Throwawayroper@reddit
Because being the good guys is what everyone should ALWAYS strive for, even when in morally grey situations.
So while the US is operating on a kid whose parents are illegal immigrants, we forsake other US citizens who came here legally? Do the illegal immigrants pay for that, the kids, or the taxpayers/customers?
So let's say, hypothetically 1,000 kids from illegal immigrants are using the facilities, and 1 kid from a legal immigrant dies because of it, is that fair to the legal immigrant who had to pay for it anyways? or is it a not in my backyard type of situation?
Or better yet, is it fair that the kids get to petition their parents to be legal citizens at the age of 21?
So people from 3rd world countries are dropping kids off for their own need? Seems kind of fucked up to me tbqhfam
Anyways dont be a restart, stay informed
-FL4K-@reddit
trying to rationalise holding people accountable for crimes they didn't commit is hilarious
VegetablePlane9983@reddit
he can blame his parents
Throwawayroper@reddit
Uh huh, and then every 3rd world country should get a free pass because they can't control it either.
And while we're at it, let's not talk about our own issues with homelessness, lets worry about every other country.
And also fight russia?
Its so obvious that you guys are 3rd worlders.
-FL4K-@reddit
shit b8, stay on topic or it becomes too obvious
Throwawayroper@reddit
mad because wrong
Throwawayroper@reddit
Might as well let the entirety of Africa in, because non of them have any control over where they were born either!
You globalists are so fucking stupid its unbelievable at times
Kookerpea@reddit
Nope
renaldomoon@reddit
NOOOO U MUST GIVE CORPORATIONS AND THE WEALTHY HUGE TAX CUTS!!!!
StrizzMatik@reddit
He wants zero taxes for anyone making under $150k. Try again
likeupdogg@reddit
Tariffs are literally a tax, retard.
StrizzMatik@reddit
On foreign goods we don't need, yes The vast majority of those countries rely on trade with us to survive and have trade deals and tariff policies that are massively unequal in their favor, with tariffs against US that have been in place for decades. Look up the term "reciprocal", anyone against the concept that it should be even and fair across the board for all parties is fucking stupid, dishonest or both. Who's the retard again?
Firecoso@reddit
Hahahahahahahahhahahahahaahhaahhaha
StrizzMatik@reddit
If laugh reacting was an argument liberals would be master debaters
Firecoso@reddit
Not even american but you believing this is exhilarating hahaha
renaldomoon@reddit
Interesting, so we have a massive deficit and he says he’s going to cut income taxes to 0 for 93% of Americans. Are you really that naive?
StrizzMatik@reddit
What the fuck do you think the entire point of reciprocal tariffs is? The point is to bring manufacturing back to the country by incentivizing them to build their factories here, creating tons of jobs and profits, or otherwise force other countries to pay a premium to do business here. That's literally how our government was funded prior to the Federal Reserve and creation of income tax. How about the trillions of dollars in investment since he took office? None of that is a factor huh?
ConductorBeluga@reddit
Funny thing is MAGAs unironically believe this, meanwhile literally no one is against deporting violent criminals but rightoids pretend otherwise.
afopatches@reddit
>Destiny viewer
ConductorBeluga@reddit
Doesn't make me incorrect, cope
Jolly-Garbage-7458@reddit
You lost all credibility. I lowkey agreed with you at first too haha
ConductorBeluga@reddit
No way you're self reporting this hard lmao
Jolly-Garbage-7458@reddit
Self-reporting what? You watch an annoying beta cuck who reads wikipedia pages. Ion use those words lightly either. Sharpen up lil guy, it's not good optics for you.
utter_degenerate@reddit
Being completely fucking deluded makes you incorrect.
afopatches@reddit
Woah there buddy, I agree with deporting violent criminal illegals just as much as I agree with deporting the non-violent illegals.
DappyDee@reddit
Oh wow, he is on that sub, just checked.
This poor, poor "man"...
ConductorBeluga@reddit
Lmao cope
nikoll-toma@reddit
stop kinkshaming sweaty, le fellow redditor is into cuckolding, so what
Angus_Fraser@reddit
Lol. Lmao even.
Have you been under a rock? The whole establishment left is staunchly against deporting illegals. And yes, they broke the law, and yes trespassing and theft of tax payer money is inherently violent.
ConductorBeluga@reddit
No it isn't. Hope this helps!
VegetablePlane9983@reddit
you'd think so but considering how big of a pushback is towards ice its not no one.
eventualwarlord@reddit
And what about the non violent criminals? You do believe we should deport them too… right?
osbirci@reddit
Tax is ebil right ya poor bastards give me your vote. Now I will cut the fundings goes to you filthy poors and cut the taxes for my rich buddies.
HonkingWorld@reddit
NOOOOO WHO'S GOING TO PAY FOR PRISONERS TO GET SEX CHANGE OPERATIONS NOW THAT WHOLESOME KAMALA LOST????
HamberderHelper18@reddit
Single issue voter spotted ^
HonkingWorld@reddit
what makes you think that? I dislike the democrat for multiple reasons, They are ridiculously soft on crime, want to take my guns, and waste tax dollars on the dumbest shit imaginable, also so any leftists act like cringey weirdos aka redditors and I don't want to be associated with them. Only things they get rights are weed and abortion, but they only seem to act like they care about the weed part, if they wanted to reschedule it federally they would have done so by now.
HamberderHelper18@reddit
Name a single democrat that actually took guns. Been hearing this shit my entire life and you fall for that NRA propaganda every time. Meanwhile you voted for the guy who banned bump stocks
HonkingWorld@reddit
Joe biden loves to brag about how he was behind the 1994 assault weapons ban. And it's not NRA propaganda when the democratic politicians themselves are yelling in front of a crowd "Hell yes we're going to take your ar15, your ak47" and when the most recent democratic president called for assault weapon bans dozens of times, and the most recent democratic presidential candidate proposed mandatory buybacks and assault weapons bans, it's not my fault for thinking democrats want to take our guns.
HamberderHelper18@reddit
I’m genuinely glad you can’t have any of those things. Stop pushing your fetishistic lifestyle on the rest of us
TootiePhrootie@reddit
HamberderHelper18@reddit
None of those things mentioned are revocations, confiscations, or bans. I bet you think speed limits are unconstitutional too.
HonkingWorld@reddit
what is your definition of "ban"? because people in maryland are not allowed to purchase or possess 7.62 ak47s, which is what 90% of them are chambered in. You can't even bring them if you're moving here from another state, you have to sell them first. I can't buy an AUG at all, and there is a whole list of banned rifles, and we are only allowed to buy pistols off of the approved list. any gun that isn't on the approved roster is illegal to have, that sounds like a ban on those guns to me.
HamberderHelper18@reddit
Ok I’m not sure why you’re complaining about specific state restrictions when we were discussing federal policies this entire time. I really don’t care enough about this to even discuss it with you. It’s clear your priorities are wildly different and a few buzzwords gets your vote every time
HonkingWorld@reddit
>I said democrats want to take my guns
>You said "Name a single democrat that actually took guns" not specifying state or federal
>I explained how my state took many guns, as well as joe biden's 1994 federal ban, So both state and federal
>you say none of those are a ban somehow, then claim that the state bans don't count and completely ignore the federal ban
That's where we're at now. Like the other guy said, crayon eater.
HamberderHelper18@reddit
THERE IS NO FEDERAL BAN
HonkingWorld@reddit
there was one, and Joe Biden CONSTANTLY tried to bring it back. You asked for a single time democrats actually took guns, and 1994-2004 is your answer. You're being incredibly disingenuous to act like the current state bans and the previous federal ban aren't a sufficient answer to that question.
HamberderHelper18@reddit
Laws that are made with a built-in expiration date are called moratoriums, not bans. It even grandfathered in weapons acquired before its implementation; no confiscation involved. That’s not a ban and it’s entirely irrelevant today.
HonkingWorld@reddit
Oxford dictionary says that "ban" or "prohibition" and "moratorium" are synonyms.
It's obvious you're arguing in bad faith. Grow up.
HamberderHelper18@reddit
Synonyms does not mean interchangeable when it comes to legal language. Colloquial names for laws are meaningless. “Obamacare” is a synonym for the Affordable Care Act yet it’s a completely artificial name for it and holds no legal weight nor definition.
HonkingWorld@reddit
so as long as there isn't a federal confiscation it's ok. state confiscations and federal prohibition on manufacturing or sale is 100% fine. Got it. Guess I was fed NRA propaganda all along and the democrats aren't so bad when it comes to guns.
HamberderHelper18@reddit
Muh states rights!!!
HonkingWorld@reddit
keep ignoring the previous federal ban that lasted for 10 years and all the pushes for more bans.
the most recent democrat president said ““We can ban assault weapons and high-capacity magazines in this country, once again,” Biden said. “I got that done when I was a senator. It passed. It was a law for the longest time and it brought down these mass killings. We should do it again.”
I don‘t need the NRA to tell me that dems are pushing for federal bans.
HamberderHelper18@reddit
Even if every single thing Biden said came true, you still wouldn’t lose a single gun.
HonkingWorld@reddit
Stopping any new owners of those guns sounds like a gun ban that just takes a few decades to take effect. if you say “nobody is allowed to buy an ar15, but you can keep what you already have” then that's essentially a life time ban for anyone who doesn't own one already, and eventually all the ones in circulation will disappear.
And that's assuming they'll stop at just preventing future sales. We already know that plenty of democrats want to ban ALL guns for personal ownership, I already linked you the DC vs Heller case that was about exactly that, DC tried to ban all pistols from even entering the district. There‘s no compromising because once the gun grabbers get something banned they dont dust off their hands and say “well my work here is done”. No, they say “alright, what are we banning next? look at canada where nobody is allowed to use any rifles with removable mags.
HamberderHelper18@reddit
Fuck your guns. Oh wait you already do
HonkingWorld@reddit
the 12 guage is a tough fit but the smooth bore makes it so much better
TootiePhrootie@reddit
Where does the constitution mention speeds of any kind?
Do you prefer the taste of Crayola or Roseart?
HamberderHelper18@reddit
The constitution mentions a “well-regulated militia” but we all know you stopped reading at “bear arms”.
HonkingWorld@reddit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_v._Heller
District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008), is a landmark decision of the Supreme Court of the United States. It ruled that the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution protects an individual's right to keep and bear arms for traditionally lawful purposes such as self-defense within the home, and that the District of Columbia's handgun ban and requirement that lawfully owned rifles and shotguns be kept "unloaded and disassembled or bound by a trigger lock" violated this guarantee.^([1]) It also stated that the right to bear arms is not unlimited and that certain restrictions on guns and gun ownership were permissible. It was the first Supreme Court case to decide whether the Second Amendment protects an individual right to keep and bear arms for self-defense or whether the right was only intended for state militias
HamberderHelper18@reddit
Thanks for proving my point. “Certain restrictions on guns and gun ownership were permissible”
HonkingWorld@reddit
that is compeltely different than the point you were making in your previous comment That case destroyed the "well regulated militia" argument because the supreme court confirmed that the second amendment allows individuals to own guns
HamberderHelper18@reddit
Yeah no shit. Who would argue that??? I’m not saying ban all guns. Jesus Christ what a waste of time
HonkingWorld@reddit
the supreme court ruled you can't ban guns in common use, which the ar15 definitely is. It's the most commonly sold rifle in the country
denialofcervix@reddit
I don't agree with your position on guns, but I will attest that the other guy's a certified crayon eater.
HonkingWorld@reddit
I totally respect that, not everyone has to agree on everything. I just think that bad faith arguments and denying proof once presented with it is really stupid. No intelligent person or anyone arguing in good faith would be like "i asked for one time democrats have took guns, but that time from 1994-2004 doesn't count because it isn't permanent and the most recent democratic president bragging about taking guns and trying to do it again, and all the current state gun restrictions don't count".
I'm not trying to win a debate or change anyone's beliefs or make them anti gun control or turn them into a republican voter. I just think it's good to discuss topics with the other side so you can hear apposing viewpoints and not just live in an echo chamber. Hard to do that when the person you're talking to has Outrageous Orange stuck in their teeth.
denialofcervix@reddit
Fate has brought you to the graveyard of your ideals.
HonkingWorld@reddit
>wants meaningful discussion
>goes to r/4chan
maybe i'm the retarded one
HamberderHelper18@reddit
Go read Section VIII: Cases Upholding Arms Bans on page 28 of the ruling you linked. You’re just being willfully ignorant at this point. Here’s the exact document to make it easy for you https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/23/23A486/290545/20231129143010559_NAGR%20SCOTUS%20APP.pdf
Angus_Fraser@reddit
goes on to say that it's not actually a ban, despite the fact that you will go to prison if you bring a normal ak47 into the state, and need to sell yours before moving here.
Then claims that the state restrictions don't count as an answer to his "name one democrat that took guns" question because he was only talking about federal, and I guess the 1994 ban doesn't count because it's no longer active.
Top minds of reddit. Love debating on this site.
HonkingWorld@reddit
goes on to say that it's not actually a ban, despite the fact that you will go to prison if you bring a normal ak47 into the state, and need to sell yours before moving here.
Then claims that the state restrictions don't count as an answer to his "name one democrat that took guns" question because he was only talking about federal, and I guess the 1994 ban doesn't count because it's no longer active.
Top minds of reddit. Love debating on this site.
HonkingWorld@reddit
it's ok I'm allowed to have a normal AR15 in maryland as long as it has a heavy barrel (which is what the military uses on their AR's 😱 as it reduces recoil and lets you fire more shots before it gets hot) and we're legally allowed to bring 30 (or greater) round mags from virginia (which I live <2 miles from the bridge). And I was still able to get an AK in 5.56 which is what the ar15 and most nato guns use, and you can actually still get 7.62 AK's if it's shorter length barrel and no stock, I've actually seen a site that sells one of those along with a backpack it fits in and 3 30 round mags.
No restrictions on ammo either except for no 50 cals, so hollow points and green tip or incendiary rounds are perfectly ok. No flamethrowers though.
TopptrentHamster@reddit
These are all good things you're mentioning.
HonkingWorld@reddit
how? it makes no difference whatsoever except be a pain in my ass. Maryland has an assault weapons ban but I still have perfectly normal AR15's with 30 round mags, I just need to have a heavy barrel which reduces recoil anyways and lets me fire more shots rapidly before it gets too hot. I still have an AK47 but i guess it's safer because it's not in 7.62, it's in the same caliber as the ar15/m16. I couldn't buy my tavor unless I had a gun store permanently weld a compensator on the front to make it long enough since rifles need to be over 29 inches here, but I can make or buy an ar15 "pistol" that's half the length and the same caliber (or larger) and it's perfectly fine because it has a "brace" instead of a "stock" even though they're basically identical.
The only thing the laws do is make it a pain to go to gun shows because I have to check if each model is maryland compliant when there's basically no differences, especially since there's no set weight or definition for "heavy barrel" it's just whatever the manufacturer calls it. an HBAR from one company might weigh less than a standard barrel from another company. It also makes it so I can't get any of the super cheap AR's on palmetto state armory because none of them are stamped as having a heavy barrel. So basically the law just makes it more annoying and expensive to shop for AR's but you can still get one functionally identical to any AR a texan or floridan can have.
HonkingWorld@reddit
it's ok I'm allowed to have a normal AR15 in maryland as long as it has a heavy barrel (which is what the military uses on their AR's 😱 as it reduces recoil and lets you fire more shots before it gets hot) and we're legally allowed to bring 30 (or greater) round mags from virginia (which I live <2 miles from ). And I was still able to get an AK in 5.56 which is what the ar15 and most nato guns use, and you can actually still get 7.62 AK's if it's shorter length barrel and no stock, I've actually seen a site that sells one of those along with a backpack it fits in and 3 30 round mags.
No restrictions on ammo either except for no 50 cals, so hollow points and green tip or incendiary rounds are perfectly ok. No flamethrowers though.
Angus_Fraser@reddit
So people don't waste their time following this thread
HatsuneM1ku@reddit
Republicans are literally taking ur guns away rn lol dumbass
klonkish@reddit
who said "take the guns first, go through due process second"?
HonkingWorld@reddit
I dislike red flag laws, bud Joe biden went on about "assault weapons ban" every chance he got, and Kamala proposed mandatory buybacks aka confiscation. She also pushed for universal background checks aka a gun registry, safe storage laws meaning it can't be anywhere that you can easily access it when you need to, and oh yeah, red flag laws.
girlfriend_pregnant@reddit
who said “take the guns first, go through due process second”?
JeanieGold139@reddit
He was pretty clear in his position dude, Trump isn't great but Biden/Kamala are infinitely worse.
Cloferver@reddit
Honestly I admire that you can still say this so confidently when the economy is being ripped to shreds and SS/Medicare are being dismantled from the inside
StrizzMatik@reddit
Probs because that's not happening and you're spewing media propaganda
Cloferver@reddit
Actually it is, and you could verify it for yourself, but what’s the point? Honestly enjoy the denial while you can, you’ll be happier that way
StrizzMatik@reddit
Provide evidence other than "trust me bro"? Trump has specifically made it clear he wants to strengthen those programs and eliminating the ridiculous amounts of fraud in them is a big step towards that with the DOGE audits
Cloferver@reddit
I dunno if you deleted your reply or if it's hidden from me, but those aren't receipts, they're claims. Out of their claimed savings they've posted actual receipts for what...one or two small ones?
Not to mention the lack of context or transparency behind WHAT is being cut, or the misleading claims like our president mistaking "transgenic mice" as "transgender mice" which is just...I don't even know where to start with that.
Again, I HOPE you're right. With every ounce of my being I pray that DOGE is actually gutting government bloat and we the people will see benefits as a result, but until I see tangible evidence of that I'm not getting my hopes up. By the way, year-over-year we spent $36 billion MORE this February than last, and the Dollar is currently weakening. Let's hope these are short term pains for long term gains.
StrizzMatik@reddit
Are you serious dude. The entire point is that nobody normal wanted ANY of these things to be funded with billions if not trillions of taxpayer dollars. The fact that they even exist is offensive to anyone with a brain unless you're ideologically captured by idpol/alphabetti spaghetti nonsense or knee-jerk taking the opposite tack of everything they do because Orange Man and Rocket Man Bad.
Do I trust everything Elon and Trump do? Fuck the fuck no, but the fact that Elon did NOT have to do any of what he's doing, potentially destroy his business and rep and deal with regular death threats just to do a public service for the country without a check says he's actually got some altruistic motives. I actually feel pretty bad for him and his family for the insane hate and violence going his way by psychotic political activists and paid agitators, and I'm sure a lot of it is motivated directly by disgruntled actors directly affected by what he's doing.
No, Trump didn't make a mistake about that. They WERE funding horrific experiments on animals including mice to study transgenderism, amongst several other research grants. CNN had to issue a retraction for their bullshit "fact-check".
The misconception there is that DOGE is cutting anything themselves - that's not their job. They're just recommending cuts in conjunction with the heads of those respective Departments and implementing them with Executive authority if cleared by Trump, but ultimately they have to be codified into law by Congress to end it permanently - which is why people need to keep their toes to the fire to actually implement the spending cuts.
Energy costs, egg prices and inflation are already falling to lower levels as we speak. Small business and general confidence in the country is at the highest level in years. He's already pulled in what, $2 TRILLION in investments already? The guy's been in office for 50ish days, even if you don't like him just let him cook for a bit. As much as I despised Biden I still wanted things to go well even with him as President.
Cloferver@reddit
Honestly, I appreciate the response.
I still fundamentally disagree about DOGE because, again, going on social media and saying “we cut this program that was spending x amount of tax dollars!” Is not the same as providing detailed receipts.
I’m also hesitant to call it altruistic in any form, he’s cancelled probes into his businesses and removed an awful lot of government oversight for himself, even if Tesla is suffering it’s still massively overvalued and he’s still ridiculously wealthy. No one deserves death threats, though.
I haven’t experienced any of these falling costs anecdotally but I’ve seen evidence of them, so no argument there. Worth noting that retirement funds are also falling right now, but we’ll see how things perform long term. We are due for a market correction, overdue if anything. And thank you for the article regarding the animal testing retraction, I didn’t catch it on CNN (I try to avoid all major networks), it was on a feed I follow, so I’ll have to do more due diligence there.
The investments from foreign industries are a positive that I agree with. We DO need more manufacturing here, which is why I hope he doesn’t cut the CHIPS act just because it was a Biden policy.
I’m with you on your last point, regardless of who is president all I want is for things to get better, for all of us.
StrizzMatik@reddit
No problem, man. You’re one of the few people I can actually have a discussion with on Reddit without running into a total jerk.
I agree that detailed receipts would be ideal, but given the state we’re in—$36 trillion in debt, out-of-control spending, and a deeply corrupt government bureaucracy—it’s likely they only have a short window, maybe two years, to get anything meaningful done. The level of fraud, waste, and abuse in government spending is staggering, so like Kevin O’Leary said, you need to go in with a chainsaw and start cutting everything. Once the bulk of the unnecessary spending is gone, you can take a step back and see what’s truly essential, keeping the programs that are popular or actually beneficial. To Elon’s credit, he acknowledges there will be mistakes, but they can be corrected in real time.
As for any sweetheart deals or investigations being dropped in his favor, I’d need to see actual receipts. But from a practical standpoint, why would he even need to do this? He’s the richest guy in the world, and before all this, his products were loved by the very people who now want to destroy him. DOGE was just a joke six months ago, but now it’s helped shift public perception on government transparency, leading to one of the most radical transparency initiatives in history. Trump’s win was largely tied to the expectation that Elon would be involved in exactly what’s happening now. Some argue he’s doing this for government contracts or regulatory favors, but realistically, he would’ve gotten those anyway. He’s at the cutting edge of multiple industries, and even his critics know it. NASA is practically dependent on him, and Ukraine wouldn’t have lasted more than a week without Starlink (and to be clear, I don’t support the war at all).
After everything that’s happened in the last month, I wouldn’t have blamed him if he just walked away. If you watch his interviews, you can tell he’s visibly shaken by it all. It’s not unrealistic to think he’s putting himself at serious risk—he’s interfering with a lot of powerful people’s money, and in some cases, he’s an even bigger target than Trump.
Gas prices are dropping where I am, and that’s saying something since Michigan usually has some of the highest in the country. I think crude hit $65 a barrel today, which is great news and largely thanks to Trump negotiating increased production from Saudi Arabia while we ramp back up domestically. Lower energy costs will drive down inflation across the board. As for the so-called “trade wars,” they’re really just about leveling tariffs we’ve been unfairly hit with for decades. These countries want to do business with us, and if they set up factories here, they avoid tariffs altogether—everyone wins.
The CHIPS Act was a bad move because it handed billions to corporations with no real guarantee they’d deliver. Realistically, a lot of that money will just be laundered, kicked back, or disappear without producing much of anything. Trump’s approach is different—he believes these companies should be paying us to invest, which is exactly what TSMC did with their $100 billion investment and their massive new Arizona plant.
Totally agree, man. Good conversation!
This keeps your core points intact but refines the structure for clarity and flow. Let me know if you want any tweaks!
Cloferver@reddit
You believe the claims about DOGE audits with 0 receipts but you want ME to provide evidence? That’s pretty funny, but I’ll pass for the following reasons:
It’s not my responsibility to inform you, plenty of non-mainstream outlets will verify what I have said.
You’d probably claim fake news or not reply anyway
Trumps actions are in direct contradiction to your beliefs yet you still have faith in his words, evidence is unlikely to sway you
And all that aside, this is a meaningless argument on a garbage Internet forum. Technically there’s like a 50% chance that one of us is a bot, too.
If you’re not one, then I sincerely hope you’re right and I’m an idiot. Nothing would make me happier.
StrizzMatik@reddit
They post receipts for literally everything right on the DOGE account on X and on www.doge.gov, you're being dishonest. Point out exactly what your problem is with what they're doing, or the concept of DOGE itself - I'll bet it's entirely based on your personal, biased emotional opinions of Trump and Musk, likely tied to a baseless conspiracy theory invented by other BlueAnon types where they're magically stealing your money and personal info cuz, uhhhh, evil right-wing reasons and muh rich people 🤷🏻 now I'll address your strawmen
1) "I can't substantiate my opinion and claims" 2) because it's self-evidently false, and would be front page news everywhere, not just with other random leftists you source your info from 3) bold claim considering you don't know a fucking thing about me or my beliefs or principles. Evidence such as?
100% correct about this being a garbage internet forum tho lol. A check of my profile would make it clear I'm not a bot either. I also don't think you're an idiot, just heavily misinformed and/or ideologically captured by manipulative people weaponizing your emotional nature and empathy to radicalize you
Jowgenz@reddit
You're not getting an answer. They already moved on to arguing with other people.
Cloferver@reddit
That’s ok, I never expected anything of value in the first place
klonkish@reddit
and all that within months...
TheLastPlumber@reddit
I genuinely just don’t get this take. He’s actively making every ally despise us and killing social security and Medicare. I understand having a bias to your party, everyone does. But what do you think his endgame is here? He’s senile, get me a competent intelligent conservative president so we can get back to normalcy lol
StrizzMatik@reddit
Hyperbolic nonsense full of blatant falsehoods passed off as fact. This is why people don't take you seriously
HonkingWorld@reddit
Donald Trump. But when I have to choose between the candidate who supports red flag laws, or the candidate who also supports red flag laws and "assault weapons" bans and confiscation then it's not a very tough choice.
TheBROinBROHIO@reddit
Honest question here- whenever a mass shooting or 'gun crime' comes up and guns are in the discourse again, I usually see conservatives saying that there was negligence at some point (this crazy person shouldn't have had access to a gun, but they did for whatever reason) and we should enforce existing laws rather than creating new regulations or trying to take guns away.
But what exactly does that look like, if not for registries and background checks? I don't think it's right to try to take guns from someone with a clean record and no threatening or unstable behavior (second amendment, innocent until proven guilty, etc), but what do we do when a 'good guy with a gun' has their gun stolen and used to kill someone else? Does the state not have an interest in restricting the capabilities of someone who may be a danger to themselves or others?
HonkingWorld@reddit
You can report a gun stolen without having a gun registry where the government can see who exactly is a gun owner and what guns they have. Most states don't have registries and a lot of states only have them for pistols.
I think the best way to prevent most gun violence is to take other crimes more seriously and get these people off the street. All the kids hanging out in gangs getting half a dozen times before they shoot at their opps could easily be prevented by not letting them back out the same day. On the point about the people who have never shown any signs of being unstable or violent and have no criminal history, well there's really nothing you can do about them without restricting everyone, and even then they can just rent a uhaul and drive it through a crowd.
NeitherPotato@reddit
I personally would describe the millions of dollars given to elon musk and his useless companies a waste of tax dollars on the dumbest shit imaginable. Could just be me though
SirChasm@reddit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_triviality
Congrats on not seeing the forest for the trees
Please_Dial8@reddit
https://i.imgur.com/UjNE3tk.png
NeitherPotato@reddit
I think the guy you’re looking for is the one typing brainrot in all caps one reply up
NeitherPotato@reddit
I can personally guarantee he won’t open that link and if he did, he’d ignore it or call it liberal bullshit lol
HonkingWorld@reddit
anybody who pushes for tax dollars to be spent on "gender affirming care" for inmates and illegal aliens is a retarded candidate.
Redditbecamefacebook@reddit
'Hey everybody, look at those weirdos, aren't they weird? Don't look at me looting your retirement, look at the weirdos, go be mad at them.'
Glacia@reddit
Rage comics are funnier than this
SalvationSycamore@reddit
Nobody is against deporting dangerous people. It's just that some folks don't want every brown person to be labeled an "illegal cartel-member rapist that needs to go to Gitmo." Even US citizens are catching flak because of Trump being such an insane moron.
VegetablePlane9983@reddit
if you're here illiegally then you should be deported either way because you're a criminal just by being there illegally. if you are in America legally than you wont have anything to worry about
ZootAllures9111@reddit
Sooo, you just want to give already-rich people all your money, then?
VegetablePlane9983@reddit
thats the same with both parties so you choose on other issues. the same with israel, dems love to point out how trump is giving money to israel but that issue would have been the same if they were in power. there's no way that Israels lapdog would do anything else
lonmoer@reddit
Why does the right want let criminal's crimes go unpunished then give them free plane rides home? lol
Just_Evening@reddit
One of the craziest takes I've ever heard, which completely shifted my view on the government, was from an American friend of mine (I'm Canadian) who likes studying the presidents of America, and the things they did. The thing he said that stuck with me was, "there was never a good president. All presidents are sums of good versus bad. The nature of their job forces them to often make the best of bad decisions, and often, no matter what they choose, people suffer or die." We can talk about things we liked that a president did, and things we didn't like, but it is wrong to say "this president is nothing but bad" or vice versa.
I had a really interesting conversation on AskConservative once, where I challenged the conservatives there to come up with some good things Biden has done. It was a really great thread/conversation, and I was surprised that I didn't hear about many of the things they were praising him for. Funnily enough, one of those things was the CHIPS act, which Trump is repealing now, lol. Wonder how they feel about that.
Anyway, I think your take is unfortunate. We shouldn't say, "agreeing with anything this guy does is not sensible", because if he happens to do something you do agree with, you have no way to voice that support without egg on your face. I think there are a lot of things Trump can be rightly criticized for (personally and recently, destabilizing America's relationships with Europe and Canada), but there are things I think he was correct to do (personally and recently, cracking down on illegal immigration). I wish more conversations like that were possible, instead of the blind and trusty "orange man bad".
NewLifeInAfghanistan@reddit
Trump is right about the need to deport illegals, secure the border, force Europe to share more of the burden of protecting their own borders, and cut waste in government. These are easy positions to agree with in principle. The problem is not in principle, but in fact.
He lies about everything he does, and has continually proven to be a conman intent on enriching himself and his allies at the cost of the American people, both in dollar terms and in terms of the total destabilization of government, international order, and democratic norms. He is unfit for the presidency if for no other reason than his continued insistence that he won the 2020 election. The insistence itself destabilizes democracy, whether you believe he's trolling or not. You cannot in good faith defend his presidency unless you believe that democracy is a failed experiment and is worth tearing down to see what comes out of the ashes.
Moscrow_@reddit
I have the complete opposite take.
It seems to me trumps opponents lie the most and have the most media backing in most circumstances.
If you are Trump, and let us imagine this is true (I think it is but I don’t know what you think) the Russia investigation during his first presidency revealed basically nothing. From his perspective, he sees millions of dollars spent trying to make out he’s a Russian spy.
If he didn’t do anything wrong (in his view) and so much happened to try and assert without evidence he was a traitor, why would he trust them when they say anything, even about an election?
NewLifeInAfghanistan@reddit
Nothing to say other than you're delusional and you need to stop sucking copium fumes out of Trump's asshole.
VegetablePlane9983@reddit
"its a democracy only if MY side wins"
DocMcsquirtin@reddit
I agree with this and another facet of this is if you talk to liberal in real life, I know it’s scary, but they would probably agree with a strict border policy, Obama and Biden had reached new highs on border arrests and turning people back if it was found out they had a criminal record. Obama and Biden were making a financially conservative, sensible ways in approaching the border issue (increase in immigration judges, lawyers, bidens border bill that trump tried to block had a budget increase towards border patrol). A liberal in real life would tell you to go after the root of the problem, the companies/contracters hiring illegal workers in order to put more money in their pockets that could’ve went to a us citizen. But I guess they weren’t cruel enough to get props from conservatives.
trainderail88@reddit
You shot you're credibility in the head claiming Biden was strong on the border.
DocMcsquirtin@reddit
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65574725.amp
In the send migrants back section you can read that Biden didn’t repeal Trumps title 42 and in fact expanded surpassing trumps 400,000 migrants sent back compared to biden’s 2 million multiple sources say this. I hate to break it to you but he was strict, where he differed was he expanded other resources like immigration lawyers and judges for people that immigrated the right way, along with a border patrol budget increase. Trump deported less people while he expanded the cruelty of it. Biden deported more people with less cruelty
FremanBloodglaive@reddit
The reason that Biden was sending more back was because more were coming, because, rightly or wrongly, he was perceived by everyone as being weak on border security, certainly not helped when he attacked a border control agent for "whipping a runaway illegal with his reins".
Because Trump was perceived as less friendly towards illegal immigrants, fewer tried to illegally cross the border.
If Biden sent back five times as many, that's an indication that five times as many crossed the border.
The same issue can be identified with Obama's terms. He also deported more than Trump, because more came.
With the recent revelation that the only document Biden signed himself in his four years in office was his withdrawal from the 2024 election, the rest being done with an electronic signature, people are now left wondering if Biden ever actually read any of the legislation that crossed his desk in those years.
sprakes_@reddit
Wait wtf is this regarded shit. You're saying if the guy was given the final page of a 250 page bill to sign with his hands while he's in hawaii, you would believe he read the entire bill? Or vice versa? Revelation my ass. How does e-signing have to do anything in the era of internet when every single person signs shit online? "Oh I don't read the terms and conditions so I assume nobody does" like aight I guess
"revelation" man the conservative brainrot is nauseating
Also it's funny that people say TDS when he's the literal sitting president but the brainrot machine gives everyone BDS and even ODS
Just_Evening@reddit
I actually believe that Trump's election was a great sign that American democracy is still working, and isn't just a series of triumvirate dynasties wearing a funny hat. The fact that a complete outsider to the political elite made it to the presidency means that people's voices still have power. More Bushes, more Clintons, more Obamas just drives the point home that democracy HAS failed, America is a thinly concealed monarchy with families that pass the ruling stick back and forth to keep the plebs believing in democracy. Now, the real question is whether American democracy will survive Trump... I think it's a scary question to ponder, but I also think it's an important test that this system must overcome.
Ultimately, I think that Trump was a result of complacency and ego on the part of the Democrats. The last time the Democrats held a real primary, we got IMO the best POTUS of the last 50 years (being Obama). Then they sabotaged Bernie, and started their downfall. I know three Trump supporters, all of them started out as Democrats and voted Trump because they felt their true candidate (Bernie) was taken from them. Biden and Harris were both pretty weak choices -- before this election, most of what I heard of Harris (from reddit, no less) was her draconian treatment of Black people caught with weed. It seems people didn't forget as easily as the Democrat propaganda machine wanted them to.
If there was a Bernie or Obama tier candidate on the Democratic side, they would've swept it, but they thought themselves invincible and kept shooting themselves in the foot.
Anyway, maybe it's besides the point. A two-party system isn't a democracy. Most of the world doesn't consider it a democracy, and the Founding Fathers didn't consider it a democracy. There are precious few things to point to if you want to argue that it was not, in fact, a failed experiment.
19Alexastias@reddit
Yeah, a New York real estate billionaire is a total outsider.
NewLifeInAfghanistan@reddit
Respectfully, I think this is a misreading of history. The founding fathers were students of the ancient Greek and Roman democracies, and were particularly concerned with the destabilization caused by the rise and fall of demagogues within these societies. They created the electoral college (as opposed to a direct democracy) explicitly so that electors could vote against the wishes of the populace in the event of a rising demagogue. Trump is an aberration within the system, not an intended counterbalancing force.
Tommy2255@reddit
Which flat out did not work, as faithless electors have never changed an election result, and are now illegal in most states.
NewLifeInAfghanistan@reddit
Agreed, I'm just giving the historical perspective as to why it's an error to conclude that "Because Trump is a populist outsider, he necessarily is fulfilling the founders intentions with respect to democracy".
memestealer1234@reddit
I don't like that "Maybe things are more nuanced than 'everything this guy does is good/bad'" is a conclusion that needs a wall of text explaining it to not be attacked
Just_Evening@reddit
I agree, but it seems like it does. Front page right now:
Trump is going after pretty much everything positive in our society
SalvationSycamore@reddit
Both parties deport people, especially violent criminals. That's a bipartisan policy, hence the deportation numbers we saw under Obama and Biden. The difference is that Donald fearmongers and stirs hate towards anyone that even vaguely looks like an immigrant. He gleefully tries to send ICE into elementary schools and shit and invents absurd lies about people who are literally legal immigrants.
So even in the best example you could think of of him not fucking up he has fucked up majorly. That's the problem with Donald, he has done almost nothing positive for the American people in either term. And he's an unrepentant bastard about it to boot, calling himself the best president in history. It's beyond embarrassing to be an American these days.
vitringur@reddit
And this type of shit is why centrists are not voting for democrats.
American democrats have this holier than thou attitude, like the old republican party did.
VegetablePlane9983@reddit
so you think NOTHING trump does is agreeable? You think deporting illegal immigrants is a bad thing? simping for trains is a good thing? sending billions of dollars to foreign countries to spread gay propaganda while Americans are being left to bleed(and i dont mean axe wounds)? what about brining back Marc Fogel to America?
WorldEater_Chad10E@reddit
I have long since accepted the fact that the average American has the IQ of a dog… Everytime I have discussed politics with a Trumptard it has boiled down to:
“You think Kamala would be better than Trump!?”
“Yeah. Why do you think Trump is better?”
“Because Kamala is and Democrats are BAD.”
“What makes them bad?”
“They just are!!!!!”
When I was a fucking child I was more intelligent
peaceshot@reddit
Good bait, look at the replies to your comment. I applaud you.
Jrrii@reddit
..the cont3st of the comment suggests that you think agreeing with Troons and Co is sensible... and to bring up name calling? This must be bait.
moodswung@reddit
Most of the "centrists" I've known are people who have political leanings opposite of their friendship circle and use it as an escape from explaining their actual views.
Collegenoob@reddit
Being a centrist is just calling out both sides for bullshit.
LevSmash@reddit
True to a point, but it's easy to criticize. People fear backlash from saying what they're actually for, not just what they're against. That's what people roll their eyes about centrists.
The misconception is that centrists are neutral on every issue. Those people may exist, but they appear on the alignment chart the same as someone who leans left on one issue and leans right on another totally different issue, causing the average to land the middle. You then take that centrist and compare them to another centrist who leans the opposite on both of those same issues, and they too appear to land in the same spot despite not agreeing on anything.
So an individual centrist can be consistent and not flip-flopping in their own views, but if another centrist has different views, it makes the term seem meaningless, like the "depends who I'm trolling today" joke.
YourBonesAreMoist@reddit
Up to a few years ago, I feel most people wouldn't be shy to say they agree with some points on each side. I actually don't think it is possible for someone to be 100% on either side. People's ideas never fall 100% on one side of the spectrum.
I think Bannon really did a great job convincing people on both sides that if you don't agree 100% with your side you might as well be on the other side
heliamphore@reddit
My biggest problem with centrists is really picking the "middle ground" when clearly there isn't one. I feel like there's so much dishonesty to it and so much misguided smug behaviour. It makes them so easy to manipulate with propaganda too.
However ideally this is definitely how we should view centrists. I'm mostly left-wing but I'm definitely not on some issues, but it's important to take a serious stand sometimes. Currently if you're in the EU, there's either taking the military very seriously and funding it enough, or there's the head in the sand. There's no reasonable "in between" or "moderate" take.
However there's also another important thing to mention and that it's possible to have takes that are still highly motivated, without necessarily fully following the typical party lines. But eventually you need some pragmatism because sadly you can't convince everyone with your take.
LevSmash@reddit
This is all fair. Your last point actually ties right back to your first, which I was going to point out that usually people's frustration with centrists is when they can't immediately convince the centrist to side with them. People love to say things like "normalize admitting you don't know enough about something to have a strong opinion on it" but then when their own strong opinion isn't as obvious to (and shared by) someone else, they find it hard to not feel like that is taking a stance just to be adversarial.
SaxRohmer@reddit
centrists are almost always center-right in my experience. even things they agree with the left on they take issue as being too fanciful or not possible. they’re fence sitters with no real convictions. as a result they sit on the sidelines while the right takes power
LevSmash@reddit
Yeah, especially depending on the context. With some things there is clearly an oppressor or an injustice going on, and to not see it or claim you don't want to pick a side is just being obtuse.
TheWiseBeluga@reddit
That’s what I do, and people still say “you’re a libtard” or “you’re a rightoid” lol it’s a losing battle
SalvationSycamore@reddit
Odd then that so many of them refuse to call out one side. It's almost like they know their audience is not composed of centrists so if they don't toe the line they will lose their paycheck.
Telamo@reddit
While contributing nothing meaningful. I do think that there is absolutely room for mediation and fact checking in politics, but centrism is not a legitimate political ideology. It’s just the proliferation of the status quo.
JoePino@reddit
What a centrist is at the time is defined by the most extreme side at the moment though. The center shifts too much too quickly for a “True Center” ideology to be a thing. This is why a centrist in America is much more conservative than a centrist in Europe, for example.
Doidleman53@reddit
It's impossible to be centrist.
You will always agree with one party more than another.
homelessscootaloo@reddit
This
Sean2Tall@reddit
Naw dog, centrists just a way for a guy to say they are conservative without saying they are conservative
jayvancealot@reddit
Every single self proclaimed "centrist" ive ever seen always seems to only criticize 1 side.
Dabrenn@reddit
because the left side has gone completely and absolutely insane. I remember back in the early 2010's being the lefties were the ones rallying against big corporations and a corrupt government establishment. Now they're the corporate bootlickers and are losing their minds over someone cutting the bureaucracy down. Its fucking wild.
BrocoliAssassin@reddit
Probably cause you are just seeing the grifters online or just viewing it through a reddit lens.
On here I'm an incel nazi, on truth social/twitter I'm an ayahausca junkie blue haired soyboy.
I say it all the time on reddit, left/right is just arguing over which thief steals less from you.
ComNguoi@reddit
I was once called a nazi because I said I don't think Kamela is a good choice for president lol
Totoques22@reddit
This is so true, I’ve been called both and I can totally confirm that you are always treated like an extremist from the other side
keeleon@reddit
It really is a shame there's nowhere else to go to find criticism of Donald Trump and the republican party.
Fentanyl_American@reddit
Well the "town squares" of discussion in modern times are usually moderated in favor of the left. So if I'm a centrist I'm probably not going to waste time repeating what's already had cases made for it.
thatstonedtrumpguy@reddit
DING DING DING
blackkice@reddit
I'm so glad to finally get confirmation of true Centrism from "that stoned Trump guy".
cplusequals@reddit
He's right though. Every time Asmon talks about personal economics and how/why people make decisions he's right. But every time he talks about actual economic policy he's left. Universal healthcare, UBI, higher taxes, breaking up companies that aren't even monopolies, anti-profit in most cases.
But there are so many cultural lolcows to point and laugh at on the left, you can't help but do so. And when you're getting millions of views per video 3x a day, it's no wonder it making up a higher percentage of his content when headlines are changing hour by hour.
He's anti-woke and left wing economically. He frequently criticizes Trump and right wing pundits despite watching a ton of them. Why can't we call that a centrist?
Dabrenn@reddit
you know why. If you aren't in complete perfect lockstep with their holy lgbt doctrines (that change weekly) you're a nazi
memestealer1234@reddit
Not glazing my side = being an enemy
Unga bunga who take my rock?
thatstonedtrumpguy@reddit
I fell into the hype back then and was blazed out of my mind 24/7. Not anymore though.
Kingofcheeses@reddit
DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING
Britstuckinamerica@reddit
Yikes,,,maybe, just maybe, leftist liberal commies are super [problematic](
amirite guys?
Kek you later, frens!
PartyClock@reddit
nullv@reddit
Na, centrists are just republicans without the balls to let everyone know how regarded they are.
HippoRun23@reddit
And that makes for incredibly boring content. The algorithm rewards outrage and bullshit claims.
monsterbot314@reddit
Tail wagging the dog but in this case it’s the algorithm wagging the society. What I don’t understand is why only the Russians and Chinese are exploiting it.
HippoRun23@reddit
If you think American companies aren’t the prime beneficiaries of this hellish bullshit I’ve got a bridge to sell you.
ThomasNoname@reddit
Trump is acting anything BUT sensible right now.
GPT3-5_AI@reddit
Centrists: I'm tired of only heard about the bad things Hitler did
almostasenpai@reddit
Donald J Trump, man famous for not calling people names
wrathofbanja@reddit
We're talking about Asmongold being a centrist, not Trump.
boilingfrogsinpants@reddit
That happens on both ends of the aisle, it's just manipulated by whoever does a better job of convincing you that the other side is worse for it. I'd argue right wing media leans harder into the rage based "news" angle in convincing people that they're being ostracized and their beliefs and morals challenged.
What needs to be realized is both sides are experiencing similar issues and choose leaders they believe best represent their beliefs in how they wish to handle them.
People are struggling economically on both sides of the political spectrum, but their beliefs on how to handle it vary, and toxic "news" organizations vilify each side and pit them against each other.
The issue the Democrats had was trying to convince the population that they were the representative of their beliefs and their concerns and that they'd address them, it was more a conversation on being "Not Trump." Trump on the other hand was talking about concerns people had and at least stated that he wanted to fix them and how.
Now obviously there's been a Trump presidency previously where there broken promises and even an impeachment, so Americans weighed a leader that didn't sound like she'd address their issues against a leader who said he would but has a dubious history of following through, and they took mister dubious history in the hopes he'd follow through despite it.
If anything, this just shows flaws in the American political system in how it feels like just a 2 party system with a very minimal illusion of choice in leaders.
I wouldn't say Trump was the more sensible choice as any brief glance into his history would show that he is a terrible person to delegate to handle financial decisions of any sort, but he was at least talking about economic policy in a way that was simple and struck at the heart of concerned Americans.
TL;DR: Trump wasn't really a more sensible option, he just seemed like the only option that was talking about the economy when Americans were concerned about it. His past suggests he's terrible economically, but America's poor 2 party political systems restricts American choice, leading to poor leadership options.
OnionRangerDuck@reddit
Centrist = I'm picking the winning side.
JFK_WAS_AFK11@reddit
But you don't understand!! He supports the deportation of a guy who said that he wants to klll every person in the US. That makes him an evil nazi. Hasan told me so
BrocoliAssassin@reddit
True.
We are held hostage between the left/right cultists that never question what their side is doing.
Looking at things in a 3rd party perspective is something a lot of people can't do cause it would go against logical thinking.
Free-Design-8329@reddit
Shill post. Even r/4chan is getting brigaded by ledditors these days
Maleficent_Bus_3172@reddit
redditor in 4chan spotted
Neat-Visual-4400@reddit
Bro you're on a subreddit made by people who look for funny posts on 4chan to screenshot and repost onto Reddit. Look in the god damn mirror and stay on Reddit
HonkingWorld@reddit
this sub is full of average redditors too lately for some reason. Some posts get it really bad.
Oxidized_Shackles@reddit
It's a coordinated effort. This isn't organic.
HonkingWorld@reddit
it's obvious. This post doesn't have enough upvotes to reach the front page and i'm pretty sure this sub is quarantined anyways so it doesn't get recommended to people. All of a sudden there are a bunch of people spouting reddit brained takes, saying people shouldn't be allowed to own semi automatic rifles, shilling for the democratic party etc. when that shit never used to be here.
P41N90D@reddit
Can't even imagine 4chan screengrabs being allowed on the front page unless its some astroturfed gay shit.
Oxidized_Shackles@reddit
Yup yup yup. Like the kamala astroturfing that we have receipts from. Where reddit let her gang of merry socialists break the rules to further their propaganda.
WarMonitor0@reddit
Hey! Quit noticing things.
lesseva96@reddit
Pathetic cope. Your alt-right idols being criticized is not automatically a conspiracy.
VegetablePlane9983@reddit
Step 1: It's not really happening -we are here right now
Step 2: Yeah, it's happening, but it's not a big deal
Step 3: It's a good thing, actually
Step 4: People freaking out about it are the real problem
Oxidized_Shackles@reddit
When the criticism jump 500% overnight? Yeah fuck off. We're all done with the left's gaslighting.
DeadlyPear@reddit
Facts don't care about your feelings, buddy.
RawketPropelled37@reddit
Lmao I've been seeing reddited people say this lately
Nice the NPC updates keep coming
DeadlyPear@reddit
sorry bud, I'm gonna need some sorosbucks if you want me to reply in good faith.
TheSearchForMars@reddit
Facts have evidence.
DeadlyPear@reddit
What evidence did he present? Bro just threw out a random number to justify his schizo shit.
fartsquirtshit@reddit
mainstream reddit/social media/newsorgs spent all of nov/dec/jan saying they needed to do more to "combat right wing propaganda" and "make our own joe rogan" and such
Then suddenly in feb every subreddit with a history of being hostile to left-wing ideology became flooded 24/7 with left-wing users.
HonkingWorld@reddit
what's interesting is that the right wing comments still have a lot of upvotes, when usually these people will go through and downvote every comment they disagree with, in addition to leaving 100 replies as we've already seen. So it means that there's clearly not that many of them.
Are they trying to drive us off the site by ruining one of the last good subs?
utter_degenerate@reddit
100% yes.
Holyrain101@reddit
They removed the original mods and banned the no no words to make it a safe space for redditors
HonkingWorld@reddit
when did that happen?
also the automod doesnt even tell me when my comments get auo removed, it just gets shadow deleted.
NeitherPotato@reddit
almost like you’re on reddit
HonkingWorld@reddit
>NFT profile picture
you're exactly who i'm referring to.
SaxRohmer@reddit
this is a 10+ year old sub on reddit
HonkingWorld@reddit
I said average redditors, like the kind of "people" you see on front page or /all posts.
NeitherPotato@reddit
Buddy this is one of the largest subreddits on the site.
SaxRohmer@reddit
this sub has almost 1.5M subs. it is not the niche place you think it is
JoeBobbyWii@reddit
then stay off r/ greentext, it's 100x worse there
igerardcom@reddit
Greentext is the soy version of /r/4chan which is the soy version of real 4chan.
Hammeredyou@reddit
It’s on all
The-Filthy-Casual@reddit
Anyone who doesn’t pray to Joe Biden’s ghost before going to bed is literally a Nazi.
Rafean@reddit
That implies he's already dead
clerk37@reddit
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR74Fyj8KciR1iGEdfYehiVp5SCRqA0fWln4cuqrvHgMz-P6DBlUpP1NQyB4rjqxLB3mE4&usqp=CAU
wrathofbanja@reddit
Biden prime is. Didn't you know that they've been rolling out new clones any time he short circuits during a speech?
igerardcom@reddit
There's also a problem with the cloning machine, so every time a new clone comes out, he is dumber than the last one.
CuTTyFL4M@reddit
Dementia has that effect on people
Just_Evening@reddit
His necromancer needs the prayers to keep his flesh golem going
noteblockiller@reddit
That is mostly what modern 4cuck has become flooded with anyhow thoughbeit
Jozsefirst@reddit
We dont need streamers period
Sensitive-Welcome663@reddit
He does make fun of trump by the way
cucumbercat7@reddit
He is asserting that that modern right-wing politics is actually more centrist and modern left-wing is in reality hard leftist.
gothicmaster@reddit
reddit's been trying REALLY hard to take this guy down lately
HonkingWorld@reddit
they've been trying really hard to infiltrate this sub too it seems lately.
It's interesting how reddit decides who's the next person to hate. the youtube subs absolutely hate Mr.beast and try to convince everyone that he's one of the most evil and greedy and manipulative and abusive people to ever exist. He didn't do anything specific to trigger redditors, they just decided to all start hating him.
Additional-Setting87@reddit
Well hes very likely a diddler so its astonishing they didnt make him a moderator
Glacia@reddit
Who are they? You're literally on reddit lmao
Horrid-Torrid85@reddit
You really believe stuff here on reddit is organic?
If so I have a bridge to sell you.
Reddit is astroturfed to the max. There are multiple articles about it by now. They are organized in discord servers and often run by activists / foreign countries. They basically infiltrated all big subs by now. Some have completely been taken over. Just look at pics/ there was an attempt / documentaries. And I guarantee you (without me looking) that within the first 10 post you will find stuff about Israel and palestine. They barely have anything to do with their original purpose. And shocker- they're all run by the same mods. They give the order in their discord which posts need to be upvoted/ downvoted and which subs/ posts have to be brigaded.
ChineseCracker@reddit
lol how delusional you are
You can look at polling of every issue. The majority of Americans and the west in general is more to the left than to the right.
With the exception of 2024 and 2004 (due to the Iraq war) the Republicans haven't won the popular vote in 35 years.
The fact that you don't realize that being inclusive is more popular than being divisive, is insane to me. Republicans LITERALLY say that Democrats try to "buy" people's votes, by giving them money in forms of social safety programs and they call it Socialism.
I'm not here to argue the merits of their policies or their practicability - but you don't think that it might be more popular than what Republicans have to offer?
VegetablePlane9983@reddit
"The majority of Americans and the west in general is more to the left than to the right."
apperently not, trump won in a landslide victory.
ChineseCracker@reddit
literal brain damage
Trump won with only +1.5% in the popular vote
P41N90D@reddit
Maybe the average voter believed women can do better.
VegetablePlane9983@reddit
yeah thats what i said. now libs cant even cope that they got screwed by the electoral college. you're saying that majority of americans are left but how can that be true if trump won the popular vote. stop being retarded man
ChineseCracker@reddit
First of all, you don't understand what a landslide means. The term is used if the margin of victory was +10% and higher. The last landslide victory in the US was 1984. Again, Trump only won by a 1.5% margin.
Secondly, in terms of the electoral college, the results were pretty similar to 2016 - even Biden won by a bigger margin in 2020.
Either way, I didn't say the American people are left. I said in terms of polling, they rather lean left than right. You can also just look at the polling and exit polls. Kamala Harris pretty much lost the election because of Gaza. So people either didn't vote for her (or voted for Trump) because they disapproved of Biden's Israel-policy. They were to the left of Biden/Harris!
Horrid-Torrid85@reddit
Theres a difference between having left leaning opinions on certain issues and whats going on here on reddit.
Here it feels like 90% love the progressive left and hate Israel. I mean just think about the pre election cycle. Here on reddit everyone believed that Harris wins in a landslide. In reality Trump won the popular vote.
If you want I can link you to an article or 2 about whats going on here. Complete with infiltration of the discord server etc
ChineseCracker@reddit
Yes, that's pretty much the percentage of young people who see Israel that way. Reddit is a platform for millennials and gen z.
How many of them support Harris?
That's like going to Twitter and complaining that everybody there is a bot, because they're conservatives. No. It's because it's a conservative platform that only conservatives use.
There are constant Reddit comments to discourage people from using Twitter, because it's a right-wing platform with thousands of upvotes. Do you think a bot would advocate for their side not using certain platforms? That's literally the opposite of what bots do - they advocate for their side to spread as far and wide as possible.
Also: Look at where the money is and who could fund such operations. You think leftists and progressives have money? Do you think they have billionaires on their side? Liberals do, that's true, but leftists?!
Horrid-Torrid85@reddit
Please show me these statistics. Cuz I don't believe that in the slightest.
And its proven by now. Its no conspiracy theory. Who funds it? Right now I only know for sure that the Iranian government funds it but I wouldn't be surprised if Russia, China etc also fund it. You don't even need much.
I wouldn't be surprised if certain rich people inside the west also fund these groups.
Thats not to say that every left leaning comment is fake. Far from it. But its pretty obvious whats happening here on reddit. During the pre election cycle we also had an enormous amount of astroturfing going on. All coordinated by a group of activists and people close to Harris. Also coordinated inside discord servers. Each day they would give out links to stories which should get pushed etc
Again - its documented by journalists. I'll offer it again - if you want to I'll gladly link you the articles
ChineseCracker@reddit
Tell me what statistics exactly you want, and I'll provide them for you?
I'm not. But what's that even supposed to mean? You admit that you can't counter any of his arguments? Weird.
It shouldn't really matter who makes the argument as long as it's true, right? Just because I post in his sub doesn't mean I'm a fan. I post in a lot of subs - including this one
Horrid-Torrid85@reddit
That 90% of younger people hate Israel
WernerWindig@reddit
dude it's common knowledge that those gigantic standard subs are mostly moderated by the same group of people with tie to the admins. It's been like that for 10 years now.
But in the last months it has become this BIG talking point of Magatards who can't fathom that people make fun of their heros, even in their supposed safe-spaces.
Zarizira@reddit
You people truly regarded. No one’s opinion changed because of his Presidency on 4chan. Then why all the sudden a lot of you suddenly appear, say dumb shit, and upvote each other? Because all of you suddenly liked the topic of 4chan? Yeah, right lol.
WernerWindig@reddit
We've always been here, you just fell for the "all 4channers are unironical nazis"-meme.
There are lot's of Magas here, but equally as much people who just like to shitpost.
With all that hilarious shit Trump is pulling now, do really expect the latter to stay silent? Do you really need ASTROTURFING to explain those reactions?
Zarizira@reddit
Hahaha. Gaslighting. No, you weren’t. Libtards were the majority in 4chan but they recently started downvoting chuds? Why they didn’t do that the whole time? Lol.
ConscientiousPath@reddit
Oshootman@reddit
Is it not playing stupid to pretend that you're being "infiltrated" because you see opposing opinions?
Some of you got way too used to your safe space bubble on this sub.
VegetablePlane9983@reddit
its not about opposing opinions, its about how they just popped into existence in the last 2 months.
Oshootman@reddit
except that people say this about opinions on stuff that literally happened within the last two months lmao. for the quickest examples see any thread about trump since the election, every one has people talking about the sub being infiltrated in response to mild criticism
VegetablePlane9983@reddit
yeah, thats beacause it started happening within the last 2 months, thats literally what i said
???
its just been amping up. take your meds
Horrid-Torrid85@reddit
Sounds like something a brigader would say
Oshootman@reddit
kek, too easy
problem is nobody (around here anyway) considers whether there's propaganda at play when the comment agrees with the official narrative. to anybody with the balls to scrutinize their own safe space, what you just said sounds an awful lot like a dismissal of free thought as well. but as long as you're not doing a heckin wrong-think, nobody is going to touch it.
Horrid-Torrid85@reddit
It was a joke dude
Oshootman@reddit
I know, I sincerely did laugh before I explained myself for the people who really think that
VegetablePlane9983@reddit
redditors are not people who use reddit, its more of a mentality. you just know immedietly they glow like those CIA _______
nothere9898@reddit
Redditoids pretend to not know what's happening right in front of their eyes, classic strategy
awsumnick@reddit
Redditors? On my Reddit?
It's more likely than you think!
Early-Journalist-14@reddit
4chan itself is not authentic anymore, arguably since the 2014 crackdowns.
MrBeast had a shitton of weird stuff come out about his dealings with participants, had one of his close circle severely damage the brand before being let go, and in general is being looked at much more closely now than before.
There's probably some issues, but how much of it truly is, and how much is rumours only, is hard to decipher. In the end I'd still like to think he's a net positive for humanity.
HonkingWorld@reddit
can't even go to the classic4chan sub anymore :(
And idk all the stuff he had going on seemed pretty minor. People latched on to really small details like that he had a convicted sex offender on his payroll, in a job that doesn't deal with children at all. IDK if they think that nobody is ever supposed to hire sex offenders (even though this dude committed his crime at 16) and that they're just supposed to sell drugs or beg on the street for a living, or if they're mad that someone who produces videos watched by kids pays a RSO.
toothpastespiders@reddit
It really is. I did some scraping of this site a while back to fill in some blanks in my dataset. And that was one of the things that really stood out for me. Reddit's always got an official bad guy and good guy. And there's typically very little logic about who's chosen for those roles.
HonkingWorld@reddit
who's the good guy right now?
Also more evidence that r*dditors think real life is a Marvel movie.
Spaciax@reddit
I think he withheld payment from a hospital after they provided 100 (?) surgeries to people to cure them of an eye illness, and only caved in after they took flak from social media.
pikashroom@reddit
If something hits the front page, other people are going to interact with your content. And ‘Reddit’ doesn’t decide who to hate. Idiots decide that themselves and people don’t like their takes will let that be known bc hate proliferates online interactions more than anything
black-toe-nails@reddit
I agree, I am very liberal but will watch asmongold once in awhile. I don’t agree with everything he says but he’s not nearly as bad as people make him out to be. It feels like most people have never watched him for more then a couple minutes and just made their decision by how he doesn’t immediately agree or disagree with a topic.
TonySuckprano@reddit
I mean he's just stupid. He gets simple things wrong all the time while saying it so confidently.
SalvationSycamore@reddit
They hate seeing someone as dirty, unlikeable, and socially maladjusted as them get paid a bunch of money for idiotic rants. It's envy.
Rtsd2345@reddit
Can't kill a Roach
pencock@reddit
I've been a /b/tard since 2004, I don't know what you even mean by hur dur reddit try infiltrate and take down 4chan happy memes
osbirci@reddit
Anyone can call you out as stupid if you're a one. Do you know the meaning of take someone down?
GiantJellyfishAttack@reddit
Asmon is 100% grifter
If his audience was more left leaning from the start, he would be saying the complete opposite takes he is now lol.
He says it himself. He has a podcast. I've listened. He openly talks about how just farms content. How he no longer cares if a game is pay2win or not because he can just rage bait buy stuff for clicks.
Talks about how great it is to simply watch other people's content and extend the duration for more profit. He doesn't need to create it anymore. He doesn't need to spend time gaming.
And he got into politics because it's the #1 easiest space to make a living grifting lol.
It's hilarious. He's a Ben Shapiro. A hassan. A crowder. A pakman.
All the same. Polticial trolls.
NotNonbisco@reddit
Hassan hosts and glazes terrorists, he's a peg under every other political grifter on twitch and youtube
Flibbernodgets@reddit
Grifting for what purpose? He doesn't use any of the money he makes. He streams (or did for a while, I think Twitch clamped down on it) on his demonetized channel, at a loss to himself, just because it made Twitch lose money.
ProteanPie@reddit
Yep. Dude has basically admitted he's 100% a grifter and just farms whatever content he thinks will get the most views on YT.
P41N90D@reddit
If the likes of xQc and moistCrit1cal can get away with their bland 'react' takes from actual creators. Why should it be any different for the political sphere. Or is it because he didn't stay in his lane.
ProteanPie@reddit
I don't really care either way, can't stand moist or that rodent in a skinsuit xqc. If people want to gobble up the manufactured opinions of a cockroach infested goblin then that's their business.
FremanBloodglaive@reddit
In defense of Asmon, I've never heard him say that an infant is a settler, and should therefore be killed, so he's not a Hassan.
Hassan is a special kind of evil, and I'm of the opinion Hell is heating up the pitchforks for when he arrives there.
GiantJellyfishAttack@reddit
Didn't asmon literally just get banned on twitch like a month ago for something extremely similar to that?
Something about him not giving 1 fuck about the dead children or something? I forgrt the exact thing. But it was clearly rage bait like all the others lol. Imo
VegetablePlane9983@reddit
he's completely correct, why would the average american care about something that is happening 5k miles away from them when they have immediate problems. but the reality is that asmon got banned and apologized while other people who did the same or worse didnt.
Intelligent_Tip_6886@reddit
He said something correct but too spicy for normies.
thatlastrock@reddit
When he saw the numbers that Adin Ross pushed when he got Trump on his stream, Asmon swung to the right so fast he hurt his neck.
VegetablePlane9983@reddit
yeah im sure its because of that and not because the left is losing its mind. These mongoloids are shooting up stores because they lost the election
Cyberleaf525@reddit
Honestly, I would too. Without remorse. Asmon is getting his paycheck off the back of fucking brain dead right wingers. He deserves the money. And deserve to be mislead. It's a win win for my entertainment value.
Intelligent_Tip_6886@reddit
Dude openly admits it and MAGA still fall over it because he's their emotional support pundit.
no_zageesi@reddit
Something flipped in his mind when he found out about accelerationism. Hes always been in the closet about his true apathy toward everything in fear of off-putting his audience, but with everything he went through his apathy is shown outright, but now the hatred is closeted. As much as he denies it, he has changed and his evolution is interesting to watch.
GiantJellyfishAttack@reddit
He hasn't really changed though. He's always been this way. He was always a horrible mannered person in WoW. To the point where it became his gimmick lol.
He openly talks about fucking people over in the game and how proud he was of scamming and how he used to wake up and think about new ways to scam people LOL
I liked him because he used to be authentic. Even if he was shitty
Now he's fake af and still just as shitty lol
Link941@reddit
bro said he didn't change then described how he changed lol
brusslipy@reddit
So he changed... He was authentic and now he's not, that's literally the definition of changing or authencity changed meaning and I wasn't aware.
Please_Dial8@reddit
Fascinating how you can always tell
GiantJellyfishAttack@reddit
Yeah. And you're account is brand new and made just to troll people.
Move along please. Stop embarrassing yourself
Please_Dial8@reddit
cope
philmarcracken@reddit
The first ones to say seething are usually the ones seething.
JuanchiB@reddit
YWNBARW.
SalvationSycamore@reddit
You will not beat a regarded wrestler 😔
osbirci@reddit
Children should be seen and not be heard.
Glacia@reddit
Cant picture a world before you've been born or what lmao
Please_Dial8@reddit
cope
kulykul@reddit
Are Ben Shapiro and Hasan grifters? I'm not too familiar with them, but from the bit I saw, Ben appeared to be an extreme right (especially with the barbie essay lol) and Hasan the exact opposite
DoomerGrill@reddit
They're fake / playing heavily into their audience.
And they're making money off of that.
So, in that sense, they're grifters.
That being said I personally believe they're both not just in it for the money but because they have their own political agenda they want to push.
GiantJellyfishAttack@reddit
I honestly haven't followed hassan enough. But from what I've seen, he seems to be catering to an audience imo.
Ben Shapiro is 100% a political troll. He's doing it on the far right. He will spend 3 hours on Joe Rogan show talking about how his religion is his own business. And how he doesn't care how others live, and how people should just let others be. Then turn around and try to tell people how to live and force his opinions on others.
There was one time when Rogan asked him about why he was so religious and Shapiro kinda laughed and went "well, look at my audience" or something like that. It was hilariously blatant
cosplay-degenerate@reddit
You are one of those "redditors".
SalvationSycamore@reddit
I wouldn't be caught dead using that site
Dankpay2win@reddit
David Pakman is based though
TheGreenerSides@reddit
AIPACman
GiantJellyfishAttack@reddit
You sure about that?
PM_ME_UR_LOOFAH_PICS@reddit
Probably the most sensible person streaming today
Kotoy77@reddit
but like whats what he says in every stream lmao is this supposed to be some hidden secret? open any random video and you can find a clip of him saying he is farming. whats your point supposed to be?
GiantJellyfishAttack@reddit
Just adding context. Not everyone watches asmon. They don't all know
TraditionalGas1770@reddit
The real nugget is that the right wing does not question their leaders. That's why you see so many right wing grifters. If you're "in" with the conservative crowd, it's an unending gravy train of money and influence.
Leftists tear down their leaders at the slightest flaw.
gintoki_1513@reddit
watching or caring about some random uneducated streamers opinion is cringe.
Desperate-Writing-43@reddit
Trumps position are essentialy centrist. As in democrats from the '80s
JanetMock@reddit
"I think violence is bad"
we need a real centrist streamer
Chkrg@reddit
The left is just grasping the 20 side of 80/20 issues and wondering why people don’t like them or their echo chamber.
xgudghfhgffgddgg@reddit
Honestly from all the memes etc online the only thing I know about the left is that it promotes DEI and tries to take away guns and freedom of speech. Besides these things can someone tell me what other policies the left is fighting for that is generally good for average guy?
DivineDegenerate@reddit
"The left" is not coherent entity that refers to any one organization, political group, or even set of beliefs. I align closest to some variety of anti-authoritarian Marxist, and I'm not a fan of DEI (as far as it's used in corporate culture), I support the working class owning guns, and I have no problem at all with free speech. Basic policies I support are universal Healthcare, free college, higher minimum wage, and strengthening the power of workers unions. I want money out of politics and the elimination of any form of legalized bribery. I want to enfranchise the working class through the distribution of society's resources. I want to take whatever the billionaire class is getting right now from our tax dollars, in the form of government contracts, bailouts, and loopholes, and use that money to instead promote the civil infrastructure necessary for a healthy and productive society.
You'll have to go actually learn some political theory to start to have a handle on these things. Go pick up a book written by trained sociologists or philsophers on socialism, leftist history, or Marxism. 'A People's History of the United States' by Howard Zinn is a good start. It'll show you how leftism was integral to the foundations of modern American life, taking us out of the era in which robber barons gunned down coal miners for daring to ask for better conditions, to having the most robust middle class in the world. For the love of Christ, don't get your political ideas from grifter streamers who deliberately tailor their speech and opinions to algorithms designed to promote outrage and farm viewership.
xgudghfhgffgddgg@reddit
Well I'm not that interested in politics to actually read on it. That's why I'm mostly educated by memes and I was just wondering what's up. Like the things you have stated all sounds reasonable and my assumption is that those aren't dividing people in general? I mean besides the mentally retarded Twitter users with 200k posts because it's their life.
ThisTooWasAChoice@reddit
Trump administration is actually doing decent work and anon cant stand it
Link941@reddit
nobody outside your cult is going to agree with you, bubba
ThisTooWasAChoice@reddit
Whatever nerd
Link941@reddit
Im aware. Your opinions depend on what a specific group of others tell you to have lol
ThisTooWasAChoice@reddit
What a sad way to live
Link941@reddit
You think you don't? Even sadder
ThisTooWasAChoice@reddit
No, I don’t think I don’t. I know.
Link941@reddit
We know you think that. So why is trump's hilarious shitshow, that every other country is laughing at, a good thing? Please, explain it to the whole class.
ThisTooWasAChoice@reddit
Because exposing corruption, incompetence, and hypocrisy in politics, no matter who it is, forces people to get more involved and open their eyes, The chaos makes it impossible to ignore how truly broken the system is. Whether you love or hate Trump, his presence drags it all into the light.
Link941@reddit
I clearly established that you are in a cult in my first comment. This is not a new distinction and it's funny that I had to remind you of that. Also very telling of what I'm dealing with here.
I'm asking what corruption was exposed? Give me specifics instead of broad terms
ThisTooWasAChoice@reddit
lol go fuck yourself.
Link941@reddit
I see you're refusing to answer because you know you'll lose this argument.
And yet you stick with the side that made you lose. Interesting.
ThisTooWasAChoice@reddit
No man, Im refusing to elaborate because I think you’re not very pleasant person to talk to.
Link941@reddit
I asked 'what corruption was exposed?'. Forget already?
leksoid@reddit
looks like a troll that lives in a basement
NoFapGymColdShowers@reddit
Hes not even right winged , hes just on a crusade against woke shit thats in games and movies. And tbh hes not even wrong about that.
DrMantisToboggan-@reddit
Just admit your a liberal.
stichen97@reddit
Asmongold votes trump because he thinks women in games will become hot and unwoke again so he can jerk off in his mold ridden room.
lobotominizer@reddit
Unironucally better than Hasan.
HonkingWorld@reddit
if someone told me that they spend time watching hasan livestreams or even videos I would lose so much respect for them I don't think I could keep hanging out with them. Legitimately worse than if they told me they pay for Andrew Tate's courses.
utter_degenerate@reddit
Just got back from a 3-day ban for calling Hasan a slur.
HonkingWorld@reddit
good work soldier
Dabrenn@reddit
Same. Trash Taste podcast recently had hassan on again and I just decided I'm done with every interacting with any of those three guys' content ever again and I've been watching Gigguk since like 2013 and sporadically listening to podcast episodes based on the topic since like 2019.
The first time they had him on was bad but understandable because he was a big streamer and the podcast is completely non-political. Having him on again after everything he's done since October 7th is a line I can't get over.
RawketPropelled37@reddit
Gigguk is just an anime reviewer, if he started posting downie-tier takes like Hasan he could suck a cock too
reddit_has_fallenoff@reddit
low bar to beat
DappyDee@reddit
It is low, yet true.
jfuss04@reddit
Better than terrorist sympathizer.
Spidermang12@reddit
I dont think its hard to be better than an islamic terrorist supporter
studmoobs@reddit
extremely low bar
reddit_has_fallenoff@reddit
well in the modern day, anyone right of Mao's left testicle is considered a Nazi.
I didnt vote for Trump either. I voted for Vermin Supreme once, and Kanye once.... but i fucking hate modern liberals.
Link941@reddit
Goes both ways. Lets not ignore reality and pretend like commie isn't the right's overused "Nazi" buzzword equivalent.
Nearly_Evil_665@reddit
i have yet to see someone call another guy a commie without the other guy actually beeing a commie, hamer sickle and all that marxist bs
Link941@reddit
That's a pretty cool anecdote. All that tells us is that you obviously hang around chuds and rightoids.
GaniMemestar@reddit
I have a question for yall american out here - how does one be a centrist in the US when you only have 2 parties that seems to either lean into the left or the right?
(Not trying to start anything, legit curious)
Nearly_Evil_665@reddit
generally you call them swing voters
nTitan@reddit
I'd bet he's never voted in his life regardless who is running for the presidency
Nearly_Evil_665@reddit
on trumps first term he voted for trump and for biden when he was president.
so idk wtf you on about with this
zschultz@reddit
Centrist shifted right, it all began with Concord...
twofacetoo@reddit
It's funny that the only other time people on 4chan talk about Asmongold is to say that his takes are incredibly lukewarm and very crowd-pleasing and he never once says anything actually controversial, basically just going with the majority opinion on stuff
Makes ya think don't it?
WheresTotoro@reddit
Agrees with whatever the point of the video is and takes every single claim for granted.
kafkajeffjeff@reddit
tbf isnt that what your supposed to do if your at least trying to seem centrist?
Intelligent_Tip_6886@reddit
If you are trying to seem centrist would 90% of your videos this month be Trump and fox news react videos?
kafkajeffjeff@reddit
he reacts pretty evenly to forbes, fox, and cnn. im p sure he just uses whatever livestream he finds first.
VegetablePlane9983@reddit
that isnt really true if you watch his content, there's plenty of stuff that he watched that he disagrees with
SlyguyguyslY@reddit
Nah he’s legit. He definitely disagrees with Trump and did you all already forget that he was shutting all over Elon just a couple months ago?
The dude’s definitely a centrist. Just because he doesn’t fall in line with Reddit doesn’t mean he’s grifting or a nazi lol
TortaPounder69420@reddit
Voting is gay
Juste1MauvaisReve@reddit
Centrists are just rightoids in disguise, they will offer their asses to the first facist that asks them to.
They will even antitipate the far right's demands and protect them like fragile little puppies.
Centrists are forced to follow the tide because deep down they know that their opinions are fucking useless and that this is their only chance to be involved in "real" politics.
VegetablePlane9983@reddit
i like Asmon, dont agree with everything with him, but i do enjoy watching his content.
TheReviewerWildTake@reddit
Trump, Musk and JD are all pretty centrist too. (if you do actual check on their policies instead of listening to CNN or smth)
More like leftards are so crazy right now and went so far into extreme left, that they call actual centrists right-wingers, and then centrists like Asmon recognize their own kind among these folks.
TonySuckprano@reddit
Yeah banning abortion in half the country and trying to destroy every federal program from the 20th century is what a centrist would do
Initial-Kangaroo-534@reddit
I think people forget that Donald Trump was considered a Democrat until relatively recent history.
Go back and watch some of the interviews with Bill Clinton when he was in office, and shortly after. He says a lot of the same things Donald Trump is saying now, just not as aggressively. He talked about closing the borders and getting illegal immigrants out, for example. So did Barack Obama. And on social issues, Donald Trump was the very first president, of any party, who entered office being pro-gay marriage.
The dude is a 90s Democrat, but the Democrats have gone so far left that they consider that “Nazism” now.
WorldCop@reddit
>Democrats
>Far left
lol what
Initial-Kangaroo-534@reddit
If you don’t think the Democratic Party has moved massively to the left since the 90s, I don’t know what to tell you.
Go listen to literally any of Bill Clinton’s speeches from the 90s. Hell, you can even listen to some of Obama’s from the late 00s. They don’t sound anything like the Democratic Party in 2025.
WorldCop@reddit
Buddy go look up Mitt Romney and McCain debates. It aint that the democrats are far left, its the republicans being far right.
HonkingWorld@reddit
there was a post on /pics a few months ago from a polish soccer game where people in the crowd help up signs to make a big image of a hammer and sickle with a cirle and a line going through it 🚫☭ (basically saying no to communism" and the title called them fascists for it with like 40k upvotes and a bunch of the top comments were calling the nazis. I guess the logic in their pea brains is that the soviets fought the nazis, and the soviets were communists, so if you're against communism then you must support the nazis. IDK.
They literally think that anyone farther to the right than Lenin is a nazi fascist.
Initial-Kangaroo-534@reddit
Which is of course lunacy. But good luck convincing anyone on any of the mainstream subs on Reddit of that.
WorldCop@reddit
Goes both ways.
Go to Twitter, or literally any other social media that's not Reddit, and you'll see a bunch of regards calling you a communist if you even support the idea of paying taxes or having any form of social program.
JuanchiB@reddit
Nah, they have always been like this.
https://marcuse.faculty.history.ucsb.edu/classes/33d/projects/media/BushHitlerShitAsshole.jpg
ConscientiousPath@reddit
That nonsense existed, but it wasn't plastered everywhere like it is today.
People hated Bush because of the silliness that the wars turned into and how he started to have less and less coherent speeches (though not anywhere close to Biden's level, but he'd definitely gone downhill), but the hate was mostly just normal dislike. It wasn't anything like the unhinged, uncontrolled pro-violence behavior we're seeing from people who hate Trump today.
RiD_JuaN@reddit
trump is 100% an extremist even if he's not necessarily far right by the all the standards of ten years ago (though Musks DOGE is absolutely pretty far right both socially and fiscally, and so is the budget)
massive broad tariffs on allies, antagonizing allies all over the world, stopping and starting support for Ukraine, killing almost all foreign aid, adding trillions to the deficit for tax cuts to wealthy, deregulation agenda (something I support but it's being done poorly!), aggressively pro Israel
violent_knife_crime@reddit
Xi, Putin and Trump may be the last true centrist in this world of crazy leftists.
HonkingWorld@reddit
the left has moved to such an extreme that the center isn't the same anymore. 80s or 90's democrats would be considered republican or maybe centrist today.
StiffPegasus@reddit
I'll agree with JD being centrist, and if you ask me he probably would have won with a larger margin had he been the candidate instead of Trump.
Trump and Elon being centrist? No way.
cloverfart@reddit
What we need is for Asmon to choke on a dick. Useless cunt.
TableOld8359@reddit
Makes videos about people on Reddit being obsessed with him
>Spends hours on stream complaining about people on reddit
TheBeastlyStud@reddit
"We need a centrist streamer"
Anon probably wouldn't listen to one for longer than like 5 minutes. The streamer would try to start talking in nuanced takes and Anon would lose his mind. On a deeper level we desire the drama.
OW_FUCK@reddit
Except any time we get a centrist figure the right calls them left and the left calls them right. Y'all will never be happy
420Pimpin@reddit
He had one video lately where he wasn’t meatriding Trump the whole time and it was absolutely shocking
Flashlight_Inspector@reddit
If you want a centrist go watch Critikal, the man is so scared to voice an opinion that more than 51% of the population would disagree with that he sounds like the moralist from Disco Elysium
vaultboy1121@reddit
Why do liberals keep astroturfing a 4chan sub?
You can tell they do because any normal person can answer this question as to why he thinks he’s a “centrist”
recycl_ebin@reddit
it's so obvious too.
like 90% of posts don't have this problem, it's like they pick one or two posts a day to do this on.
46692@reddit
Where is the question?
vaultboy1121@reddit
That OP is confused why Asmon claims he’s a “centrist”
Keltharious@reddit
I remember the original liberals. The ones that weren't destroying property and raiding private businesses. At one point in history, they even stood up to defend my right to speak freely. Ahh, those were good days.
Now, we get this. Constant bickering from both sides and commentators that don't even know what side they advocate for. This is definitely a ride I want off of.
nythscape@reddit
Never seen a stream or even a clip by him why is he so popular is he funny or something?
DeadSol@reddit
ass-mongoloid.
Kanye_Is_Underrated@reddit
"we need a ___ streamer"
we dont need any streamers at all, fuck all these people and the losers who watch them
Imperial902@reddit
i dont understand why people waste so much time watching people, when there are thousands of ways they could be more productive/entertain themselves.
bunker_man@reddit
Loneliness probably. I don't watch streamers, but i have fond memories of sitting on a couch watching my brother play games while I read or did soemthing else. And it's hard go replicate that feeling.
Imperial902@reddit
yeah, but watching your brother play is sibling bonding, while watching a streamer and caring about their opinions is parasocial in nature. maybe you really just miss the days where you could watch your brother play games, and not watching people play games in general.
Spaciax@reddit
after seeing that screenshot of Charlie doing a 4 (?) hour starfield stream and getting like $80k, I'm at a loss for words.
Here I am slaving away in university in a major I hate 90% of. fuck my life.
Kanye_Is_Underrated@reddit
ive no idea who charlie is, if you know then youve already lost. find god
Dhammapaderp@reddit
What the fuck even is "real" centrism? Neoliberal shit? Haven't the dems done that for 20 years?
Bronesby@reddit
Pff, you got Shoe, Your Optimal People's champion. don't overthink it.
Linaxu@reddit
Asmongold. The target Incel for incels.
OddHeybert@reddit
Asmon makes bank off retards who can't make their own decisions. I love him, anyone who doesn't, guaranteed is either salty they're not successful or butthurt because he's not pushing retarded leftist ideals.
Also Hasan is a terrorist.
andro88@reddit
Bro literally had his twitter account cancelled by Elon a month ago for calling him out. Anon is cooked
YoNoSoyUnFederale@reddit
I cannot imagine tuning in for a political streamer. If somebody has some funny shit to say and aren’t really trying to seriously involve themselves in politics, fine, I’ll listen to an archive but I just can’t bring myself to tune into a live performance of some dude giving uninformed hot takes.
Music exists, books exist, movies exist, hell there’s actually planned out YouTube slop that’s a better use of your time than off the cuff dipshit political commentary
Popcornmix@reddit
I’ve watched Asmon for years but cant bare him anymore, constantly painting himself as the most neutral guy ever and always fair to both sides but when you watch his content now its just republican glazing, reacting to his god awful sub that posts rage bait 24/7 and doing ragebait himself for views. Haven’t watched him in months so maybe something changed with the actual dangerous shit that Musk and Trump are pulling. But I would guess he just laughs and tries to find an excuse why its nothing to worry about that the president talks about invading allied nations.
belabacsijolvan@reddit
get your burger muncher bs "politics" off my cloud based RNG
Early-Journalist-14@reddit
Anon is a redditor and anon doesn't watch asmongold.
Anon probably thinks hassan is a center left content creator.
SplashingChicken@reddit
I'm tired of seeing this guy and thinking it's Charlie for a moment only to be even more disappointed when I realize it's this guy.
NecessaryStrike6877@reddit
Ngmi
ChiefNugs@reddit
Streamers in general. Who actually watches that shit?
philmarcracken@reddit
the non american streams are ok, especially if you like ballard singers
bisectional@reddit
Asmongold is literally just a Kardashian for gamers.
LEHG420@reddit
Fucking Nazigold over here needs to spend less times worrying about politics and more time in the fucking bath and cleaning supplies aisle of his local Dollar General
original_name125@reddit
I'm no expert but justifying the genocide isn't a trait that centrists have.
Ozymandias_1303@reddit
We need fewer political streamers, not more of them.
TehGoad@reddit
Assman Gold sucks right now
brtb9@reddit
He'll go down faster than Candace Owens once someone else becomes more popular on Twitch and then start staning for RFK Jr.
It's all about the views for these degenerates.
Davemusprime@reddit
The guy is a gooch with horse teeth. I have no idea why he has an audience.
messiah_rl@reddit
Asmon should be viewed as an entertainer and not as an authority on anything political
Daevotion@reddit
Wut? I watch the odd clip and thought he hated musk
No12345678901@reddit
I'm sure there are still some interesting things posted on 4chon, but they'll never be seen on this subleddit. Only boring Reddit-tier tardslop like this.
ZiltoidM56@reddit
What’s funny is Zach is literally a millionaire.
4510471ya2@reddit
reddit will remain cooked for 4 years
Drayenn@reddit
I watch asmon a lot and this post rings true, but theres a lot he dislikes about trumps government and he often makes fun of how much trump lies. He also has big leftist ideals like UBI and free healthcare.
I do think hes watching too much right wing content that tends to have strong speakers and too much garbage leftist media who has literal monkey debate skills like the view blaming everything on racism and sexism.
SlySychoGamer@reddit
The fact this guy is as popular as he is now is so depressing.
I watched stream highlights of him years ago, cause i found him disgusting and pathetic which made me feel good. But apparently such behavior makes you rich.
I genuinely think our society is going to have a massive wake up call in 10 years or so because boomers are dying, genx will be in their 70s and unable to continue the skilled labor jobs they currently occupy. Every young person in the west just wants to do the stupid shit that asmongold and every other streamer does...its not sustainable.
NorthKoreanKnuckles@reddit
I don't think American know what centrist are since they got a 2 party system without a center.
MisQlak@reddit
Just follow logic.
upyoursize@reddit
I liked his game commentary, but when he started laughing at our country being run by a couple of buffoons like it was one big joke I realized what an idiot he really is.
johndoev2@reddit
Well there was that 1 time when he said the Dark Ages was called the Dark Ages because of catholicism/religion. Some chatter corrected him that isn't the case and he outright lost his shit.
Not his usual "pull up chatter and have them explain", he just started calling them names and banned the guy. Others tried to explain about how 'Dark Ages' is due to the fall of the Roman empire and Asmon refused to double check.
Seems pretty leftist
Mirroredentity@reddit
Who cares? I wouldn't take any amount of money to swap lives with him, the man lives in a rat infested shithole, never leaves his house and has the most unhealthy lifestyle imaginable, including drinking so much soda that most of his teeth have actually rotted away.
thesuperbro@reddit
And no one will ever love him truly and only go after him for his hoarded pile of gold. What an existence.
kahnwaldz_@reddit
Do you like obese balls? Serious question
NeitherPotato@reddit
Hell it’s almost friday, why not
Sabrac707@reddit
I never understood why he lives like that, though. He has the money to pay for a good cleaning service if he doesn't want to do it himself, go to a good dentist, etc.
It has to be something psychological in nature because there's no logical reasoning that could justify living like that when you have the means to live better and healthier.
bunker_man@reddit
Isn't everyone who lives like that a mental health issue? It might be hard to keep a room perfectly clean, but it's not hard at all to pick up big trash and keep it mostly clean.
RubenKuch@reddit
Modern day Diogenes
Mirroredentity@reddit
Oh it's definitely a mental health issue, he had a bad upbringing and grew up in a shithole and generally people who suffer through that either go the route of obsessive cleanliness or continue the cycle of living in filth.
I don't even hate the guy, I was just don't understand the jealousy fueled hatred that people like the anon have for him. If anything I pity the man.
SalvationSycamore@reddit
People that live the same life but aren't rich
xTraxis@reddit
He cleaned his house though. And he owns orgs so while he does admit to not enjoying going outside, he still does go outside.
Flight_Of_Fantasy@reddit
Only destiny is true centrist unbiased Streamer
luke2517@reddit
fact-check this guy and see if he likes "pizza." We need to verify some facts from a reliable source regarding pizza for this individual and determine if he likes "pizza". from a DC infamous pizza store.
Scionotic@reddit
Gay mainstream reddit opinion disguised as a 4chan post
methodsmash@reddit
Since when is it got to dislike a man (asmon)
Riggs909@reddit
Many such cases.
Express-Potential-11@reddit
He wants the daily show with Jon Stewart.
ivan0x32@reddit
You don't need another "centrist" streamer. You need to pull your fucking head out of your fucking ass before Russia finishes stealing your fucking country.
XanII@reddit
Keep pondering anon and you may just maybe stumble on why there is no Joe Rogan of the left.
Nevek_Green@reddit
Anon thinks being a centrist is always thinking both sides suck. When it is, hey the right is doing good here and the left had a point there. People like anon are why I refuse to call myself a centrist.
dothack@reddit
He is right, Trump is center left
MonsutaReipu@reddit
Our culture actively hates centrists and seeks to force them to pick a tribe, and it usually works. I grew up a liberal democrat and still have plenty of those same values, but I would have considered myself closer to center for a lot of that time, too. I'm also bisexual, so I'm playing midfield on a lot of fronts. However, the left hates me for that, and I've come to hate them in return for it, too. If you're not a radical leftist, they think you're a radical rightwing nazi. It's crazy how quick the left is to villainize you. The right doesn't do that.
Rickard0@reddit
Assmunchgood is a piece of shit and so annoying. I have no idea how anybody can listen to him, much less subscribe to his shitty channel.
19Alexastias@reddit
Asmon is clearly a centrist - he will allow any living creature of any political affiliation to die in his room
Nokipeura@reddit
He's popular, cause he's the only unfiltered streamer, who didn't choose comfort and lifestyle after making it. Everyone else is playing it safe and getting along.
NuclearOrangeCat@reddit
People like asmon and m0ist irk me because they're painted as these milquetoast fence sitters with "reasonable common sense" takes yet really have no input on anything and none of their opinions are based on any worldly experience.
Like they're all dudes that spent their teens and 20s on the computer 18 hours a day playing some sort of MMO.
And yet people go to them to get their opinions validated.
At least Tim Poole actually travelled and did investigative journalist and actually was a centrist until he started drinking his own poison and believing his own delusions thinking a civil war or world war was right around the corner so he buys himself a compound in the middle of the woods in northern maryland to live and skate in. And now he shills for russia because he has to keep up his mortgage payments.
Madcat_Moody@reddit
My brother in Christ, the left has become so unhinged this actually is the centerist position
Sharky-Li@reddit
Conservative in 2025 is roughly Democrat in 2000. Most people here aren't old enough to remember but if you look at what platforms Clinton ran on it has more similarities to the conservatives than the democrats today.
eternaltroll@reddit
He likes Bernie though even tho Pugh he’s a grifting pos that takes money from big pharma and says we should tax the rich while owning 5 homes and likes to say I was part of the civil rights march when I was in my 20s. Idgaf
prancerbot@reddit
He's just a 12 year old dude. Don't pick on him.
SabunFC@reddit
"Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's true. Yeah."
Bister_Mungle@reddit
Dave Rubin?
CathNoctifer@reddit
His mom really did a number of things on him before she passed away, wait until his dad is gone to see him unlocking his true form.
BigGator13@reddit
If he isn’t a centrist, then please tell me what a centrist is. If you actually watched Asmongold, you would know that he has criticized Trump, Elon, and JD, on several occasions. So uh…This tard kind of has no right to tell people who does and doesn’t fact check. Clearly he’s too busy huffing Destiny’s and Hasan’s farts to do any actual fact checking himself.
Msimot@reddit
What's up with that dude? I haven't ever seen a video of his because I'm not interested, but I have a friend who is horribly obsessed with him, always trying to get me or our other friends into his videos.
My friend's profile: latino, on a work visa in the USA for the past 6 years (so deportable as fuck, I think, idk), college education, highly intelligent (academically and with irl thingies. extremely fun to debate with about serious topics because he always offers an unbiased, intelligent view.)
what does asmongold offers to attract people like my friend?
CathNoctifer@reddit
I think your friend might be a bit conservative.
benis444@reddit
Streamers are stupid and zero knowledge. You are stupid if you cant form your own opinion and you have to say what a streamer says
BeauShowTV@reddit
Yes, yes, right wing bad. We get it.
Disastrous-One-414@reddit
Politics is incredibly polarized nowadays by design, so a pure centrist cannot exist imo
renagabe@reddit
This argument is weird and played out
StopCallinMePastries@reddit
Why do you "need" a political streamer to tell you what to think?
Maybe stop being a parasocial adult baby.
MackinatorX@reddit
I used to enjoy his political content, until he started agreeing with anti Canadian rhetoric, kinda put a sour taste in my mouth.
DrAbadeer@reddit
Centrist have always and always be righr
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AcronymTheSlayer@reddit
He's a grifter. I remember seeing his dad being fucking based on a clip regarding politics tho.
DankerDeDank@reddit
Or, hear me out, all streamers should be publicly executed?
goneparticle@reddit
if you are watching a twitch streamer for opinions especially of any political nature you are getting farmed.
if you are watching a twitch streamer in general, you are most likely still getting farmed. remember the ecosystem you choose to participate in and try not to exacerbate it. feels useless mentioning this but here you go.
ZikSvg@reddit
Centrists are just politically uninformed and like the aesthetic of being measured.
Cesar_PT@reddit
i'm sorry but who gives a shit about this fucking regard with fluoride stare?
SponsoredByMLGMtnDew@reddit
SergioSF@reddit
How is Asmon doing after the last big drama? Did he lose viewers or gain them?
sonofbaal_tbc@reddit
you seen the left recently?
Sparta63005@reddit
In 2025 "centrist" basically just means moderate. People call themselves centrists so they can have normal, non-radical opinions without getting attacked by their own team AND the other team.
cosplay-degenerate@reddit
Centrist would be not having a team.
Sparta63005@reddit
Yeah I'm trying to say that a lot of people who call themselves centrists are not actually centrists.
colchonsise@reddit
Being a centrist= being a pussy
itsmechaboi@reddit
He's definitely a centrist. Trump is also a centrist. JD Vance is also a centrist. Elon Musk is definitely a centrist. There are no hardcore conservatives anymore and people have gone so far left that it's off the political spectrum and onto the autism spectrum.
Lextruther@reddit
You understand that IS modern centrism, right? Lefties are insufferable uninformed losers. Pro gay marriage, pro choice, vote for Trump when your other option is a barely functional alcoholic flatbrain, anti-censorship is about as classic liberal as you can get, which IS centrism. Centrism doesn't mean not having opinions. Its just that currently, Democrats arent offering up any good ones to get on board with.
Bearnee@reddit
We don’t need streamers at all.
LordWetFart@reddit
Conservative is the center now.
Vectar7@reddit
As someone who leans right, no one should be getting their political opinions from this degenerate moron.
Stigles@reddit
He's just disgusting to look at. I don't even care what he says, why would you willingly waste your time with that thing on your screen?
GoldenGlobeWinnerRDJ@reddit
I’ve watched Asmond’s videos and I never remember a time where he’s said he’s a centrist lol
mayo_ham_bread@reddit
The center isn't always YOUR center. Sometimes you're just extra wrong.
AnotherScoutTrooper@reddit
Twitch streamers are like Kardashians, I only hear of them involuntarily
droogvertical@reddit
No one of any political affiliation should care about the views of some unwashed rube living in filth and cockrach shit who mumbles at a camera and repeats the most banal obvious shit all day.
Ban streaming.
veritron@reddit
he is not 24/7 elon musk good, elon took away his checkmark and leaked his dms because asmon was on him about the pretending to be a poe2 player thing. if we can't have accuracy in our news media let's at least have it in our greentexts thx
Nivius@reddit
asmon goes for that brings most viewers, and hate viewers are still viewers.
69FlavorTown@reddit
Okay hear me out.
Elon hacked Asmongold dms. Then Elon made threats. Now Asmongold is acting like this.
Someone got bought one way or another.
Forgot_My_Rape_Shoes@reddit
You can change the words to the other side of the coin and slap Hassans face on it. Any streamer who talks politics is just weird. Regardless of the party they like.
thomasguyregis@reddit
There are so many centrist streamers, only we dont recognize them because they actually stream videogames instead of talking political drivel all day.
perfectly_stable@reddit
Forsen is the one you're looking for anon
Sckjo@reddit
The fact that anyone on the planet watches these retards is beyond mind boggling
Low_Understanding984@reddit
You don’t need a centrist streamer, what you NEED is a fucking job
TubbyMcJiggly@reddit
It seems like they didn't do their research...
xB_I-O_S@reddit
You can never be truly centrist just reasonable to a certain degree and since streamers are usually terminally online, reason is not their strength
Shmaynus@reddit
it's because modern western leftists are not actually left-leaning, they are just schizophrenics. Asmon has a lot of liberal views, I would't even call him a centrist, just liberal
weekendWarri0r@reddit
Streamers exist to stir shit up to make money. They are not your friends, and they don't have good opinions.
davesg@reddit
To be fair, I've seen him multiple times criticizing what the government is doing. But the number of times I've seen him supporting what they do is way higher, sadly. And his chat is a cesspool of MAGA.
mr_sandmam@reddit
Atrioc?
NeoNirvana@reddit
This creature doesn't even wipe his ass after a shit, why is he relevant in anything?
fleetingreturns1111@reddit
many such cases
GMruen@reddit
all american centrists have zero neuroelectrical activity
Puzzleheaded-Gur6464@reddit
based
hlessi_newt@reddit
Or we could seize the means! And play video games and watch YouTube for ourselves.
Incred@reddit
That's madness. I need somebody else to tell me if I like something.
nwbell@reddit
Why do we need streamers at all? They'll get the chambers, too
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sharterfart@reddit
Asmonbald may have cleaned his room, but has he cleaned his SOUL?
OnePastafarian@reddit
Leftoids spent a decade of "I'm a centrist" LARPing and now mad when righties do it lol
SoyjakvsChadRedditor@reddit
This dude doesn't believe anything he says. He's just hugely popular for once. He will keep grifting
HiveMindKing@reddit
No centrist left, it’s gang rules
BrocoliAssassin@reddit
Forgot the simping for the wealthy and corporations.
They can do no wrong and totally ignores the reason why people like Luigi have to use violence. Of course corporations/wealthy don't need to get violent, they bribe our government to make laws in their favor and have backing of the largest gang in the world.
When nothing else works people go to the last resort to get shit done wether its right or wrong.
But I also like him a lot cause he shows the insanity of redditors .