When the genocide began the medical workers that ran Gaza’s only fertility clinic begged Israel to allow fuel and liquid nitrogen into Gaza to keep it running, in response the IDF dropped a bomb on it.
People die in war. That's why war is bad.
The war was initiated by Hamas on October 7th, so they bear responsibility for the results of war (death, destruction, etc.)
Its crazy you people are still trying to justify this shit.
This is ethnic cleansing, the israeli government admits its intent is ethnic cleansing and that they intend to finish the job-
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/feb/17/netanyahu-committed-to-trumps-plan-to-take-over-gaza
Look at the thread you're in, look at the side you're defending, the irony is palpable.
I wonder how much hasbara gets paid for this kind of useless comments.
Stop double replying. I'm not "defending a side", but you are right that the irony is palpable: a Hamas supporter grandstanding about *anything* is the peak of irony.
I won't even insinuate you're getting paid by the Ayatollah. I, and everyone sane, know you're doing this purely for ideological reasons.
>My faith in humanity has really gone down witnessing you guys.
Don't speak about humanity as if you had any of that left. Defending a genocide is inherently misanthropic, and using the allegations of antisemitism as a shield against criticism only makes it somehow even worse.
Denouncing of Israel? I know you've seen it, and you're about to see even more of it as more people realize whats really going on behind that iron dome of propaganda that's already started to fall off.
I know you are aware of that and you're growing desperate, maniacally picking at straws to somehow keep the narrative running that Israel is somehow not to blame for all this, but luckily most sane people can see right through you, you genocidal scum.
\> Whereas the Palestinian resistance, even hamas, wants equal rights for Jewish people and Palestinians in a liberated Palestinian state-
\> [https://www.reddit.com/r/anime\_titties/comments/1izl570/comment/mf4n7vw/](https://www.reddit.com/r/anime_titties/comments/1izl570/comment/mf4n7vw/)
lol
Lol, here have the whole comment, I'm not ashamed of telling the truth -
Hi just want to let everyone know that Israel was founded on ethnic cleansing and colonisation, it's founders considered it so-
https://imeu.org/article/what-leading-israelis-have-said-about-the-nakba
And the current government has explicitly stated that it plans to commit ethnic cleansing-
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/feb/17/netanyahu-committed-to-trumps-plan-to-take-over-gaza
Whereas the Palestinian resistance, even hamas, wants equal rights for Jewish people and Palestinians in a liberated Palestinian state-
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20241116-sinwars-vision-for-a-one-state-solution-the-palestine-liberation-commission/
Just because they *say* they support giving Jews equal rights, doesn’t mean they actually plan on doing that.
Hamas literally shot up a musical festival on 10/7, can you really expect anyone to believe they’d treat Jews fairly if they were somehow able to takeover Israel?
Obviously we can't know for sure if the Palestinian resistance would stick exactly to their plans for a secular non sectarian state.
What I do know is that Israel *say* they intend to commit ethnic cleansing against Palestinians and they *are* committing ethnic cleansing against Palestinians.
Israel is fully responsible for how it conduct warfare, you can't abdicate responsibility for one's actions by saying "he started it!". This is the kind of rhetoric quite literally employed by 6 year old children fighting with their siblings.
"You can't defend yourself because we're hiding behind civilians" is the kind of rhethoric someone who wants the Jews to let themselves get slowly slaughtered employs.
You guys are transparent.
"Follow the laws of armed conflict and the Geneva Conventions" ≠ "Kill innocent people"
I mean come the fuck on dude how can you possibly write something like that?
That's objectively false. Ex: the usage of human shields.
International law allows for military acts against structures/areas even when civilians/human shields are present. The "bad guy" is the side using human shields (Hamas), not the side conducting a strike, raid, attack, etc.
And yet the only evidence we have is of Israel using human shields.
For example, [the 80-year-old Palestinian man the IDF used as a human shield by tying explosives around his neck. ](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/2/16/israeli-soldiers-used-80-year-old-palestinian-as-gaza-human-shield-report)
The IDF then shot dead the elderly man and his wife.
> At the same time, if a U.S. diplomat could convince Hamas to lay down their arms in exchange for, say, becoming a conventional political party in a Palestinian state… that would be Nobel peace prize worthy.
> https://www.reddit.com/r/Enough_Sanders_Spam/comments/1j3y5l5/comment/mg64fbc/
lol
Even if Hamas is using involuntary human shields(which the IDF for certain does) it's not a carte blanche justification to do anything you want, there's no legal argument in the universe that can abdicate state responsibility for the actions of their armed forces. But if you think the allegation of human shields is a justification for any activity, I'd like to remind you that the IDF headquarters is smack dab in the middle of Tel Aviv, and that's just one example.
The fact you think IDF HQ violates IHL shows you don't actually know how this works.
Are you under the impression the Spanish military is violating IHL with it's HQ in the middle of Madrid?
Danish HQ in Copenhagen? London's multiple military assets? Paris? NY?
every single major western city has some military infrastructure, infull compliance with IHL
Your BS is showing
All of those cases can be construed as using "human shields", since they are A) are a legitimate military target since they serve a command and control function over the armed forces B) are located in densely populated civilian areas.
I understand why this may be upsetting to you, but I think it's an excellent showcase how much cognitive bias is at play when Hamas is accused of using "human shields", and that many people don't realize that using it as a justification quickly brings some EXTREMELY uncomfortable questions since the 'principle of reciprocity' always applies.
That's not the criteria from human shielding. The criteria is colocation woth intent to render immunity.
Do you think the spanish HQ is smack dab in the middle of madrid due to an intent to shield it behind civilians?
Can you maybe think of other reasons it might be inside a city that have nothing to do with shielding?
What I personally think is irrelevant for the purposes of this discussion.
Do you think there's any reason why Hamas, who operates in one of the most densely populated areas on the planet would be forced to co-locate their military facilities in close proximity to civilian objects? Hamas can hypothetically claim to co-locate a rocket launcher with the *knowledge that it may* shield it from attack but claim it's regrettable and it wouldn't be a war crime since you'd have to *prove* that the *primary intent* with co-locating the launcher there is to render it immune from attack and that it isn't located there for other reasons like military ones.
[There's an excellent Jib/Jab podcast segment on this timestamped 40:52 - 50:00](https://soundcloud.com/cxm-444054529/ihl-conduct-of-idf-in-gaza-draft?utm_source=clipboard&utm_campaign=wtshare&utm_medium=widget&utm_content=https%253A%252F%252Fsoundcloud.com%252Fcxm-444054529%252Fihl-conduct-of-idf-in-gaza-draft)
It isn't irrelevant.
The purpose is to firstly to determine whether you can conceive of other reasons military objectives might exist within a densely populated area, since your response seemed to indicate a lack of imagination on the issue.
Once it's been agreed that other reasons exist, we can look at the case of Spain, Israel, or any other nation's military assets and compare them to Hamas to see if there're any differences in kind that can inform us as to the intent.
I disagree that the hypothetical posed based on the pod's point is the conundrum you think it. I'll get back to it via my original questions, promise.
So please, humor me.
1. What other reasons might there be for existence of military assets in a populated area not borne of intent to render them immune to attack?
2. What differences, if any, can you point to between the Spanish HQ and Hamas military infrastructure?
The fact that you didn't even know what I mentioned above proves that you're way out of your depth here.
Your stance is nothing more than "Israel bad".
I'm out of my depth? Why don't you go ahead and detail all the steps of determining whether a target is lawful or not, something that you seemed to either not know or purposefully not include in "human shields" argument.
Yes. You have no idea what you’re talking about.
Here’s a good starting point: https://international-review.icrc.org/sites/default/files/irrc-872-4.pdf
Saying I have no idea what I'm talking is very amusing if you look at my post history here and what I focus on.
You didn't answer my question. What kind of analysis must be conducted before an attack for it to be lawful? This is really, really basic stuff for anyone familiar with military targeting would know off the back of their hand.
Holy shit, dude.
"Umm ackshually, bombing children isn't technically illegal if you say there were terrorist in the building afterwards ☝️🤓"
Stop, I'm already Pro-Palestine, you don't need to sell it to me.
I can notice how you've tried to deflect this argument time and again, but as I said in another reply, genocidal propaganda and Zionist/Christian Nationalist manufactured talking points won't work on people that can think on their own. These comments are public, and as you can see, I'm not the only one seeing right through you.
I will denounce crimes against humanity whenever I see them. That's my duty as a human being, and of everyone living on earth. Be it 1, 5, 20 I don't fucking care. If you don't want to get called out on your bullshit, then don't talk bullshit.
You argue like a teenager, and I hope you are one else it'd be concerning for your mental capabilities.
You ARE supposed to care you absolute human waste of oxygen. The sentence *crimes against humanity* should be self explanatory. If you're human, then it concerns you.
Holy fucking shit dude. Congratulations, you made me loose my cool. I'll make the effort to ignore you from now on solely because of how fucking infuriatingly dumb you are, and each new comment makes me feel like I'm loosing synapses. it's like if a neurotoxin was a personality.
I don't like lashing out at people but for fucks sake man. If evilness doesn't explain how people gets to defend a genocide then pathological stupidity definitely does.
I feel sorry for your parents. Fucking hell.
Best to make a distinction between war and genocide - the new UN report is about genocidal acts of sexual violence perpetrated by Israel.
Those *responsible for* war crimes are those who *commit* the war crimes.
By applying your logic, October 7 is the responsibility of Israel as they carried out the illegal occupation which led to it.
Cool story, but it’s still a war. Hamas made it a war when they attacked in Oct. 7th.
No, because murdering, raping, shooting, etc. Israeli civilians isn’t a valid response to “occupation” (Israel left Gaza 20 years ago).
So you're saying that Israel killing 20,000 Palestinian children is a valid response to Hamas killing 37 Israeli children?
Raping Palestinian detainees is fine in your book but not if it's Israeli victims?
Your morals can be adjusted on a whim, it seems. You demonstrate selective humanity and double standards.
Israel's presence in Gaza since they "left" is still considered an illegal occupation according to the ICJ but I get that Israel disregards international law and its institutions.
That’s great, but they’re wrong.
> Under this factual inquiry, a territory is considered occupied when it falls under “effective control of hostile foreign armed forces.” Traditionally, **effective control requires three main components: the physical presence of a foreign military without consent**; the inability of a local sovereign to exercise control because of foreign forces’ presence; and the imposition of occupying forces’ authority.
> https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/menasource/gaza-israel-occupied-international-law/
How many of those killed were Hamas militants? I ask because the Gaza Health Ministry does not differentiate between civilian and terrorist.
Who is the highest court in the world?
Nobody in Israel would know as you don't follow international law and your legal system is a corrupt and discriminatory kangaroo court.
I thought October 7th was a terrorist attack, but you are now treating as a legitimate act of war.
Please keep talking. It's clear that you have no idea how your own incompetence at making up arguments is only radicalizing people even more against Israel, which I find hilarious.
If I were Netanyahu and wanted to make sure my genocide is kept a secret, I would hang you by the balls for blowing the cover up so badly bwahahaha
They never have anything to say beyond trotting out the agreed hasbara talking points. It's like they can't even formulate their own opinions - a classic symptom of brainwashed people in a cult.
Your best explanation as to why what Israel is doing isn't a genocide. Sell that idea to me, I'm open.
I'm giving you a golden opportunity, shoot your best shot. Don't disappoint me.
That's not what led to the war, October 7th did.
If you want to play that game, this happened even before the nakba.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929\_Hebron\_massacre](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Hebron_massacre)
It's a genocide, not a war. You can play whatever hasbara game you want trying to justify the nakba and current genocide/ethnic cleansing of Palestinians.
Nope, it's a war.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza\_war](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_war)
Also, notice how you ignored the 1929 Hebron massacre I linked above.
Nope, it's a genocide
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_genocide
The hebron massacre doesn't justify the current apartheid regime's campaign of ethnic cleansing and genocide
Nope, it’s a war. Continually crying about it on Reddit doesn’t change that.
The Hebron massacre happened long before Israel became a state. The Arabs started it.
Nice try but they didn't just attack "the germans", they attacked the Nazis.
\> The **Warsaw Ghetto Uprising**[^(\[a\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Ghetto_Uprising#cite_note-6) was the 1943 act of [Jewish resistance](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_resistance_during_the_Holocaust) in the [Warsaw Ghetto](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Ghetto) in [German-occupied Poland](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_Poland_(1939%E2%80%931945)) during [World War II](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II) to oppose [Nazi Germany](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Germany)'s final effort to transport the remaining ghetto population to the [gas chambers](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_chamber) of the [Majdanek](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majdanek_concentration_camp) and [Treblinka](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treblinka_extermination_camp) [extermination camps](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extermination_camp).
\> [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw\_Ghetto\_Uprising](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Ghetto_Uprising)
You speak of the nazis as if you're different
By the way those resistance fighters used child soldiers and fought out of civilian areas. According you to guys they deserved what they got
The war didn't start on October 7th, that's just the day Israel actions on Palestine finally blew up on their face.
Same thing with the US and 9/11, Americans suddenly woke up and saw that they were at war, not knowing that they've always been at war and the terrorist attacks are just the result of civilian """enemies""" getting radicalized by the constant injustice being brought upon them.
Wrong.
\> The **Gaza war**[^(\[p\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_war#cite_note-89) has been fought between [Israel](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel) and [Hamas](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas)\-led [Palestinian](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinians) militant groups[^(\[q\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_war#cite_note-92) in the [Gaza Strip](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip) and Israel since 7 October 2023.
\> [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza\_war](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_war)
Outrageously convenient to pretend the conflict started on October 7th.
And before you say it (because I know you will). No, I'm not defending the actions of Hamas during their terrorist attack that day, but you can't just pretend the very existence of Hamas in the first place is thanks to the radicalization of Palestinians due the continuous crimes against humanity performed by Israel and the IDF.
Hamas are the perfect scapegoat, meticulously manufactured by Israel so that their ethnic cleansing could somehow be justified.
If Hamas didn’t exist, most Israelis and IDF supporters would parrot what their leaders are saying.
“There are no innocents in Gaza” is a classic phrase from them; they don’t distinguish between Hamas, babies, foreign aid workers or even white flag waving red haired Jews.
[These photographs of X-rays were provided by Dr. Mimi Syed, who worked in Khan Younis from Aug. 8 to Sept. 5. She said: “I had multiple pediatric patients, **mostly under the age of 12**, who were shot in the head or the left side of the chest. Usually, these were single shots. The patients came in either dead or critical, and died shortly after arriving.”](https://static01.nytimes.com/newsgraphics/2024-08-22-gaza-doctors/_big_assets/xrays/3.jpg)
Ty flavor J, redditor for your insightful and knowledgeable comments and expertise.
Now back to the professionals whose job it is to treat those with gunshot wounds and have countless years in the field.
Eh, the doctors aren't exactly ballistic experts. They do x-rays in the hospitals not as on-site first aid. I have no reason to doubt what they're saying in terms of the injuries but they look more consistent with bullets missing the initial target, traveling hundreds or thosuands of meters more and then hitting the children. At closer ranges you would expect the bullets to either fragment or to travel all the way through the children.
Because everyone understand why you're trying to say that those children killed are just accidents. It's typical with you pro-Israeli folks, you try to gaslight constantly as to why Israel is never responsible for anything, just fuck off.
"you disagree with me so just fuck off"
This war has had extreme propaganda from both Palestine and Israel, it's reasonable to be skeptical of anything from either side
Yes I'm a Briton who is neither Muslim, Jewish or affiliated with the middle east in anyway.
I don't believe this is a genocidal campaign it's just a war, quite literally both civilian and military deaths have been lower than that of the Ukraine war even though civilian casualties are shown more within the media.
Just because there are civilian casualties does not a genocide make unless you're prepared to label every war a genocide.
If it were a genocidal campaign frankly the casualties would be far higher. These stats were compared with the United nations data
What other military group is fighting for Palestine apart from hamas?
Read between the lines. It's not only that they disagree with a simple fact, it's that the intentions behind a lie so blatant is self evident.
As an analogy: It's like people clarifying that they're not *actually* pedophiles because the underage kid they abused was a teen a not a kid. Like dude, this isn't the defense you think it is lmao just shut up at this point, that at least would be the smart thing to do from your position.
I believe you assume bad faith where there is none
What grand lie? Are you referring to the x-rays? As my largest problem is there is no bullet passage
When I was shot in the leg there is a clear entry tunnel where the bullet had bored through my flesh and compacted itself from the impact this was a shot from roughly 200m
None of those are present in the image
From an active warzone misinformation is rapid and you should assume everything is a lie or not the complete truth like I believe this image to be
"you disagree with me so just fuck off"
This war has had extreme propaganda from both Palestine and Israel, it's reasonable to be skeptical of anything from either side
If a “professional” brought me that X-ray I’d laugh my ass off at an obvious prank.
That’s absolutely not how any of this works in real life. That bullet would either not be present in the skull (a massive entrance and even more massive exit wound would) OR it would be in itty bitty pieces.
I’ll give them props for not including the brass case, though.
Man I wish I could get paid to spew genocidal propaganda on social media like you guys seem to be doing. Because I hope you are at least getting paid for saying something so outrageously apologetic about a well documented and almost universally denounced genocide.
The real irony is that Israel is committing apartheid and genocide. Seriously y'all have become unhinged. Which makes sense considering all the propaganda you've been force fed your entire lives.
Another irony is how the country claims to act in ways they say protect Jewish people, while they force the youth into military conscription, a form of state slavery.
Alas, the theocratic variant of fascism can last for centuries. But it's indeed a good thing that Palestine is being freed from their fascist government right now! Viva Palestina libre!
Learn to read, I asked you to find your humanity, though you could use the humility too.
I support Palestinian liberation from apartheid and genocide. You're just projecting your own ignorance and hate if you think that means supporting hamas.
You know you're flailing when you're resorting to pointing out autocorrect typos.
I'm just pointing out that it's ironic for someone who rationalizes Hamas' actions to call out others for lacking humanity.
You know you're flailing when you only have one point to cling to. You're just making up accusations without any basis in reality.
Do you rationalize the apartheid and genocide Israel is commiting? The settler and idf violence in the west bank?
You're obviously here just to make false accusations and to misplace blame for an egregiously one-sided system of apartheid and genocide. It's clear you aren't here to discuss anything. You just accuse, ignore, blame others, and repeat. The only one here demonstrating confusion is you with the totally washed and tired out repetitive hasbara nonsense.
No, I just read your comment history.
Your first response was "Please find your humanity". If you have something of value to add, you would have commented it.
The upvotes on that comment would suggest otherwise. Clearly others value the sentiment and wish the same for you, to find your humanity. Best of luck.
Many israelis and jewish folks around the world have a ton of humanity, courage, morals, and good chutzpah, and are advocating for human rights and justice on this issue alongside their Palestinian allies in the struggle against Israeli state oppression.
Unlike what Israel would like you to believe, Zionism isn't a Jewish cultural thing. In fact, I'd argue to the contrary, but what do I know.
What I do know is that equating Zionism and Judaism will be *very convenient* for when (not if) Trump stabs Netanyahu in the back like he has already done with other former US Allies and Zionists get to be classified as enemies of the state. Trump's followers, the same that were cheering at Elon Musk siege hailing *twice*, are already orchestrating a wannabe ethnic cleanse of "filthy immigrants", and whoever thinks for a second that they will stop at just the brown looking and hispanic sounding ones and not move on to the *historically persecuted* ones once they have the opportunity is delusional.
Many, if not the majority of ICE agents, would gleefully round up Jews against the wall using that as the perfect excuse.
You can't hide a genocide forever, and by the way things are progressing, many of us may as well see a performance of it not from a phone screen, but of our own eyes out of the window of our own house.
God forbids, but if that happens, people will have to make a decision about what to believe. Your own eyes, or the words of those in power.
>Unlike what Israel would like you to believe, Zionism isn't a Jewish cultural thing. In fact, I'd argue to the contrary, but what do I know.
You know, non jews keep telling me this, but as a jew who has spent 20 years studying my own religion: you are wrong.
Zionism is foundational to Judaism. It's in the Torah, talmud, and 99% of our holidays
The problem of Israel having appropriated the supposed legacy of the Jewish promised land is that it has done immense damage to the public view on Judaism. this will only deepen the antisemitism already present in the world.
I once heard a Jew describing himself as a "conditional Zionist", as he wanted a land for Jewish to prosper and live peacefully, but only if it didn't involved whatever Israel is doing.
Maybe Zionism meant something different when the word was coined, but right now, it means genocide. If I were a Jew, I'd be fucking pissed at an illegitimate ethnostate using my religion's prophecies to call itself the narrative equivalent of the messiah, usurp his name and use it for evil. I know i am when learning about the many times christians have done it.
I don't consider myself that religious, but if a nation did what Israel is doing but with Christian Nationalist, it would fit pretty damn well with the description of the Beast from Apocalypse: an evil entity usurping the name of the chosen and using it to convince people to do it's evil bidding.
The only people who use your definition of zionism are people who hate jews.
It's _our_ movement. We define ourselves.
Zionism is "self determination in our ancestral homeland: Israel"
The people in this thread quoting David Duke while making the term "zionism" into an insult are the ones making antisemitism worse.
Because its not like there were fewer massacres of jews before the state of israel.
And it certainly wasn't that everyone lived together in harmony until ~~israel was founded~~ the fire nation attacked.
You *really* don't want people to equate Judaism and Zionism. Once you see what people are starting to think about Zionism, and as long as the *GENOCIDAL AND ILLEGITIMATE ETHNOSTATE OF ISRAEL* keeps appropriating of that word, then people will rightfully so grow increasingly more disgusted by it.
Blame it on who is putting dirt on the term of Zionism and Israel, not on the people denouncing a genocide, because people have the DUTY to denounce a genocide no matter whoever the fuck is perpetrating it.
I know, Israel following on the steps of Nazism surely seems like a sick and twisted joke that only an antisemite would have come up with, but unfortunately it's an objective reality, and I'm sure you know how Jews used to call other Jews who sided with the Nazis during WW2.
Israel is: legitimate, not an ethnostate, and not genocidal.
_you_ right now in this comment are "putting dirt" on the term zionism.
This comment is a laundry list of "t3h jooz new evil" - and don't @ me with "I don't hate jews I hate zionists" because if you hate 90% of jews, you just hate jews.
>Israel is: legitimate, not an ethnostate, and not genocidal.
If you really believe this, then we don't have anything to argue about anymore. You're too far gone at this point.
Luckily the majority of people aren't as gullible as you think we are.
You want to deflect any criticism on Israel as antisemitism? Fine, but that won't work on stopping people from denouncing a genocide. If anything, it'll just birth a sentiment of "well if being against a genocide makes me antisemite, then I'm an antisemite".
You know that'll eventually happen. You've brought this to yourself.
Nah, some of us actually know history and read politics.
"All criticism of Israel is antisemitic!" Is a cop out. You can criticize Israel all you want, as long as you are criticizing real things, not "how dare those jooz have... self determination in their ancestral homeland"
Look up the IHRA definition of antisemitism and "the three D test"
Also, some of us don't have a government who welcomed terrorists as guests right after a major massacre, and aren't playing political theater to distract from being a failing state.
>. You can criticize Israel all you want, as long as you are criticizing real things
We are, but I'm sure your state sponsored propaganda says otherwise lol
>Look up the IHRA definition of antisemitism and "the three D test"
Don't fucking care. I will denounce a genocide whenever I see it, because that's my duty as a human being with a soul and a beating heart
>Also, some of us don't have a government who welcomed terrorists as guests right after a major massacre, and aren't playing political theater to distract from being a failing state.
Yeah! I know, right? I'm actually very proud at how my country, among many others, is standing up against the crimes of Israel.
Sounds like were insinuating that I'm from the US. I have no idea from where you would've get such a thing. I already told you, you're making enemies all around the world, and rightfully so.
Nah, your flair says south Africa
You know, the place that welcomes hamas leaders with open arms, and is screaming about a nonexistent genocide while ignoring the real ones so they can fire up the people to ignore how badly your economy is doing
While i'm worried you may be right, it's nonetheless important to stop making de-humanising blanket statements about entire groups of people, and to differentiate the actions of states/governments, militaries and political groups from civilians and regular people.
I have been seeing regular people stand up against the carnage in Gaza. But I’ve seen a lot more full-throated support for every atrocity and barbarity Israel has inflicted. We have seen everyone from Jewish organisations all over the world enthusiastically supporting the carnage to politicians from the west enthusiastically supporting the carnage.
Do we really have to pretend we don’t see that and that it’s not happening?
Okay. What distinction would you draw between the ordinary people of Berlin and the Nazis in 1939? I mean I wouldn’t advocate doing a Gaza on Berlin in 1939, even knowing what I know now. But I would CALL them a gang of cunts. And they would deserve my harsh words. I don’t think ‘doing a Gaza’ on Tel Aviv is the answer here either.
If you genuinely wanted to advance the interests of Israelis, you would at least pretend to recognize the humanity of Palestinians.
Instead, you’re just publicly declaring how much you love the taste of Netanyahu’s balls. Pro-Russian trolls have more finesse.
Your beliefs and stances got Israel the October 7th terrorist attack.
I don’t think anyone is going to listen to you moving forward, especially not Israelis/Jews.
Remember, Israel needs America. America doesn’t need Israel - and at this point, Israel support is a partisan issue with the majority of Democrats having net unfavorable views towards Israel.
Congratulations, the man whose nuts you have been furiously sucking (Netanyahu) is responsible for the decline of Israel’s military, cultural, and economic ability.
I think the Israeli people need to make better decisions about who they elect in future, and resolve their longstanding geopolitical conflicts. I don’t support any further aid to Israel, and vote accordingly. That could change with positive progress, but we have let the tail wag the dog for too long.
That has nothing to do with what you said. What you said was:
> Countries/governments are responsible for the safety of their own citizens.
This is what I’m disagreeing with.
Yes, it does. You're just trying to ignore it because you know you're wrong.
If what I said was untrue, Ukraine, Israel, the US, etc. would not protect its citizens.
If the US government was using their schools, churches, hospitals and residential areas to set up their weapons and military, then yes, civilians dying because of it would directly be the US government’s fault.
What you’re doing is arguing in favor of the use of human shields.
>What you’re doing is arguing in favor of the use of human shields.
Like plastering the main IDF headquarters in the middle of Tel Aviv, Effectively turning a whole city into a human shield just so you can scream "TERRORISTS" when Palestine *inevitably* retaliates?
Except it’s not the same thing. The IDF headquarters in Tel Aviv aren’t from where Israel is attacking. That building isn’t posing an immediate threat to Palestinians. Missiles being fired from a mosque are posing an immediate threat and need to be neutralized immediately. If you’re arguing that it shouldn’t, that means you’re expecting the IDF to place whatever palestinians are around this mosque before Israeli citizens which is absolutely ridiculous. If Palestinians die when Israel destroys a target that is *literally in the process of firing missiles at them,* those deaths are on Hamas who know FULL WELL that they are putting their own citizens in the line of fire and don’t bother protecting them. Either Israel doesn’t attack and they get to keep their missiles or Israel attacks anyway and they get to parade dead palestinians to the world and scream about how Israel is evil for killing them.
This false equivalence you’re trying to paint is simply not there. Besides, Israel takes the appropriate measures to defend itself and its citizens against attacks. Hamas has fired thousands of missiles aimed at the center of Tel-Aviv, Israel just defends against it with the Iron Dome. You’re just angry that Hamas isn’t able to inflict the kind of damage it wishes to inflict and you’re also angry that Israel puts its citizens first.
It’s very simple, the IDF uses its weapons to protect their people, Hamas uses their people to protect their weapons. Don’t cry when Israel refuses to play their game. Israel puts Israeli lives first. Hamas should put palestinians lives first. But they don’t. Because martyrdom is fantastic for their cause on the world stage.
No, you’re just being obtuse. The difference is very obvious. Now you’re just arguing in bad faith. I very clearly explained my point. If you choose not to see the reality that’s right in front of you, i can’t help you.
IDF headquarters being in Tel Aviv isn’t the IDF using its population as human shields, they have the iron dome and bomb shelters as a shield. They don’t expect Israeli citizens being in proximity to the headquarters to be a deterrent for attacks. In fact, in their case, they know that having citizens nearby invites attack from Hamas because Hamas literally fors not discriminate between the IDF and civilians, they’ll happily kill anyone who happens to be in their missiles’ trajectory (of course you choose to ignore this because Israel successfully defends against this).
Hamas on the other hand does and thinks the opposite. They don’t have missile defense, they don’t have bomb shelters. They specifically use schools, mosques, hospitals and residential buildings with the intention of using their own people as a deterrent for the IDF not to destroy their weapons because they know that it works. Up until now. Israel is no longer playing that game. That is textbook human shields and Israel will no longer incentivize Hamas to keep using them by simply ignoring the tactic and proceeding anyway. Again, if you can’t see the very obvious difference between the two, can’t help you more than that.
Crazy how Israel seems to be the only one interested in extensively defining whatever the fuck they're doing on Palestine as anything but a genocide, unlike literally the rest of the free world that's just saying "yeah that's genocide dawg"
I wonder why that is 🤔
All im hearing is you not being able to rebuttal any of my very factual points and resorting to using libel, buzzwords and arguments from authority as a way to save face from this debate you are very, very sorely losing. Ironic you should bring up my ego when it seems you’re the one that has been getting emotional and resorting to insulting my person in a desperate attempt to look superior. Maybe next time be a little bit more prepared to debate intelligently if you wanna be taken seriously. Cheers
Because I'm not even reading all that, I know it's just lies. They're always are.
Let me guess, Hamas were using a hospital/school/kindergarten building to launch rockets from, the glorious IDF bombed them, and killed 200 children, 300 women, 20 unarmed men and not a single Hamas member, nor did they find any remnants of those rocket launchers.
Hooray! The glorious IDF obliterated Hamas out of the very fabric of reality! making it look that they weren't even there in the first place. How convenient...
I don't believe your lies anymore, and I'm not the only one. May this thread be a testament to how many people are starting to realize just how wicked and awful the ethnostate of Israel really is.
How does it feels to be in the wrong side of history? Remember, history isn't kind to those like you. All the lies you have been spewing here will eventually come back and bite you in your ugly Zionist genocidal ass.
Yes, I'm not pretending to be taking the high horse as if I didn't hate you. But knowing that you must be seething behind your keyboard at the sight of the increasing amount of people calling you out on your bullshit puts a smile on my face.
Keep being smug about your crimes, they'll definitely not be self incriminatory in the slightest when justice finally catches up to you.
LOL aww you hate me? Oh no. *What will i do?* 😱
Glad i put a smile on your face. :) Too bad you are consumed by hate, must be hard being so emotional all the time.
By the way, “from the river to the sea” basically means genocide/ethnic cleansing of all jews in Israel. Genocide for thee but not for me!! Eh? Lmao.
I'm not the one defending a well documented and almost universally denounced genocide. I'm not the one with blood on my hands gleefully embodying the worst aspect of humanity. You are no less than scum, not only to me, but for the majority of human kind.
Whenever I turn off my phone, you and all the hate I feel at you stop existing. Can you say the same? I know that target on your back that you carry everyday must be reaaaally heavy. Pray your precious iron dome doesn't collapse on your head, as it already is showing cracks.
You seem to be the one that has forgotten how war is like, otherwise you wouldn't be here defending a genocide.
Look around you, you are NOT with the *good guys* on this one. You can't hide a genocide forever and Israel's masquerade has already started to fall apart. You will not be remembered as heroes but as villains.
>Hamas started the *current* war
Sneakily moving the goalpost already, huh.
Explain to me and everyone reading this, how is this "current war" that supposedly started on October 7th any different from the war that's been going on since *before* October 7th?
No, you just can't read.
\> The **Gaza war**[^(\[p\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_war#cite_note-89) has been fought between [Israel](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel) and [Hamas](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas)\-led [Palestinian](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinians) militant groups[^(\[q\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_war#cite_note-92) in the [Gaza Strip](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip) and Israel since 7 October 2023.
\> [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza\_war](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_war)
I give up. I refuse to believe you're not trolling at this point.
If this is false flag propaganda, then you made a great job radicalizing people even more against Israel. If not, then I wish you good look living with a frontal lobe of the size of a peanut.
You're asking for logic from someone that's been feed pro-genocide propaganda his whole life. You won't hear a rational answer.
"Governments are responsible for the deaths of their civilians, except for Israel, those are on Hamas"
If this is false flag propaganda, then you made a great job radicalizing people even more against Israel. Congratulations on that, fellow Palestinian supporter.
If not, then I wish you good look living with a peanut sized frontal lobe.
You can wage war like the Americans in WW2 or you can wage war like the SS in WW2. The IDF makes the SS look like Boy Scouts. Just a rabble of cruel bloodthirsty animals. Killing their own hostages, raping people to death. Going after kids and women. Fucking Nazi filth.
[Can't defend the indefensible](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/5000-lives-one-shell-gazas-ivf-embryos-destroyed-by-israeli-strike-2024-04-17/), so you retreat into some obnoxious non sequitur sniveling about blood libel? Repulsive.
It’s called war. Tough luck. Even if no bomb hit those they’d probably lack the power to maintain the cooling required. Maybe don’t start a war you cannot win if you can’t handle its consequences
People supporting Israel lack intelligence, morals or both. They don't see Palestinians as humans, that's why when the Bibas kids died they made a huge fuss but 15,000 Palestinians kids dead "it's just war"
People who support Hamas really do underestimate the intelligence of people who don't, if they really think that equating Hamas deliberately slaughtering children with merely knowing that every war has collateral damage is going to hide their motives.
Again: you guys are transparent.
You would be transparent if your hands weren't covered in blood. Imagine pretending after more than one year that Israel hasn't been deliberately slaughtering Palestinian children, that's just willful ignorance.
This is a good faith question... Do you think there's a difference between a child being kidnapped from their home and murdered in a time of relative peace vs a child dying in an air strike during a war?
What peace? People were still dying, just the day before settlers attacked Huwara and shot Labeed Dumaidi in the heart, murdering him. I think that your concept of peace is "when only the Israelis are attacking".
I said "relative peace" for a reason. Obviously you don't think that what was happening in Gaza for the last 16 months or so is what has been happening there on a constant basis (and not in the months leading up to 7 Oct 2023) do you??
I know that Palestinians had been suffering attacks from settlers and the IDF way before Oct 7th, including airstrikes and bombings in Jenin and Huwara being partially burnt, plus other pogroms. No idea how is that not a war.
I can see that Palestinians were not "at peace" prior to Oct 7th... It's quite easy for me to see and agree with. It's also easy to acknowledge that the term "relative peace" in relation to the past 16 months vs the months prior is reasonable based on multiple factors:
* Deaths;
* Injuries;
* Property damage/destruction;
* Loss of infrastructure;
* Freedom of movement within Gaza;
* And more.
If you cannot accept that there's a serious and significant difference between life in Gaza before and after the war precipitated by the atrocities of Oct 7th, I will once again assert that you are not a serious person.
Maybe people in Israel were "at relative peace" but I wouldn't call that the situation that there was in Palestine, nothing peaceful about that.
Still plenty of Palestinian kids died during that "relative peace" of yours, and their deaths were dismissed as much as the ones who died during "war". So I don't see what is the point in your comment.
Why can't you contend with reality for a few minutes... There's clearly a very significant difference between an ongoing war with many thousands of deaths versus a time of relative peace when there is not a constant warzone across the majority of Gaza and when thousands are not dying from the conflict and the majority of homes aren't being affected.
[At Least 276 Kids 16 And Younger Have Been Shot In Chicago Since 2021 - CBS Chicago](https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/map-at-least-276-kids-16-and-younger-have-been-shot-in-chicago-since-2021/)
Almost 100 children shot per year in Chicago since 2021. Would you say that people living in Chicago are living in relative peace when compared to a warzone? I would. Obviously this is not a perfect analogy (people living in Chicago do not nearly have all the same challenges as people living in Gaza) but I'm making a point about the difference between actual war and relative peace.
It's okay to say that the suffering of Gazans has worsened due to the war post Oct 7th and that the situation in which the Bibas family was kidnapped and murdered was not the same as the situation of Gazan children who died in the context of war.
You are the one ignoring reality, if people in Chicago were having their neighborhoods burned down by racist gangs or suffered bombings you wouldn't say they are at relative peace.
That doesnt change the fact that people who raised a fuzz for two Jewish kids didn't give a fuck for the thousands of Palestinian kids who died before or after them.
Why are you allergic to honest discussion? I literally said that the comparison is not perfect and that the lives of people in Chicago are not nearly as challenging as those living in Gaza. I literally said I was using it to make a point about how there can be bad things that are better in relation to something far worse. Despite that you are acting as if I said the lives of people in Chicago is just as bad as those in Gaza.
Here's your original statement I commented on:
>People supporting Israel lack intelligence, morals or both. They don't see Palestinians as humans, that's why when the Bibas kids died they made a huge fuss but 15,000 Palestinians kids dead "it's just war"
I tried to ask you if you thought that targeting, kidnapping, and murdering children from their homes (along with the rest of the family) is qualitatively different from children (and their families) dying in the context of an air strike during a war. I guess you don't think there's a difference. You could have just said that.
I don't see it as different to IDF soldiers sniping children like it happened to Hanady Abu Salah and his whole family or tank crews attacking children for no reason like it happened to Hind Rajab.
Also it's not like children killed due indiscriminate bombing are less dead or worth less than the Bibas kids. What do you think that deciding to drop a bomb fully knowing that it would murder large numbers of civilians is somehow more moral than shooting them?
https://www.nytimes.com/video/world/middleeast/100000009614868/israel-gaza-war-family-killed.html (graphic)
It wouldn't be different from an IDF soldier intentionally shooting a child just for the sake of shooting a child. I would contend that that clearly isn't what happened to the vast vast majority of the children who died in this war (although I will not say that it never happened).
>Also it's not like children killed due indiscriminate bombing are less dead or worth less than the Bibas kids.
That's obviously not what I'm saying. Come on. If a child dies from an unpreventable disease they're no less dead or less valued than a child that's murdered, but we wouldn't consider those situations to be morally equivalent. This is once again to make the point that there's a spectrum to how someone dies that changes the moral analysis and yes, being killed in the context of a war (as long as the military strike is legitimate within the Laws of Armed Conflict) is different than being murdered in cold blood.
You seem a bit confused yourself...
Would you prefer the relative peace that existed in Gaza before Oct 7th to the war that took place in Gaza after Oct 7th? Or do you relish in Gazan suffering and martyrdom so much that you prefer Gaza to be significantly destroyed and thousands of Gazans to be killed in the war as we saw it play out?
There are other ways the Gazan people can resist and/or attempt to achieve statehood that don't involve the atrocities of Oct 7th, don't you think? Or do you not only lust for Gazan deaths but also Israeli ones?
I’m not confused. I see your very clear support for Israeli brutality. You don’t want October 7. You want Israel to have a monopoly on violence and be the one doing all the killing. Hence why the argument that things were much better when Israelis weren’t getting hurt and only Palestinians were being mass murdered.
My ideal would be that neither side murders the other. The fact you can’t imagine that as a possibility tells us quite a lot.
There are other ways for Palestinians to resist. Look at the West Bank, where there is very little Palestinian violence and frequent, overwhelming Israeli violence. It’s funny. You are demanding Palestinians change and be nonviolent but you don’t have a word to say about the much greater prevalence of Israeli violence.
I can't decide if your comment is just one big strawman standing on a giant assumption or if it's a bunch of small strawmen standing upon one another and held together with false assumptions.
> I see your very clear support for Israeli brutality.
I haven't made a single comment in support of Israeli brutality in this thread.
>You don’t want October 7.
I hope this is true for you as well.
>You want Israel to have a monopoly on violence and be the one doing all the killing. Hence why the argument that things were much better when Israelis weren’t getting hurt and only Palestinians were being mass murdered.
That is not my argument at all. Things weren't better because Israel got to be "the one doing all the killing", things were better because there wasn't a war disrupting every facet of life in Gaza.
My ideal would also be that there are no murders and I can certainly imagine it since I'm a proponent of a 2 state solution.
>There are other ways for Palestinians to resist
I'm glad you agree. This was the point I was actually making to you.
>You are demanding Palestinians change
Where/when did that happen? If suggesting Oct 7th shouldn't have happened and that there are other better ways to carry out resistance initiatives then I guess you got me on this one.
Oh, we're throwing out random disgusting personal attacks... Okay...
Go ahead and run away from a challenging conversation that you inserted yourself into.
Israel killed over 300 people in Gaza prior to Oct 7th that year. It was the deadliest year for Palestinian children up until then. And Israel continues to snatch kids and torture them in their dungeons. Read the UN report on torture and abuse of minors by Israel. It’s institutionalised torture of kids by a state. There’s nothing like it anywhere else on earth. The Israeli people are depraved psychopaths.
I first went to live in Israel in 1972 as a kid. Grew up in Jerusalem. I consider it my home. Went back in the nineties for a few years. Tiberius, Eilat. I’ve worked there, paid tax there. Partied there. Went to school there. I stand by my assertions, young man. It is a sick, depraved, fascist society that serves the worst in human nature at the expense of the best. Nothing to do with Judaism or any of that. Fascism stalked Germany, Italy, Portugal, Spain, Argentina and many other places. Israel is not exempt from the temptations of fascism. But normally fascist countries are shunned by their neighbours. It gives off a stench that cannot be ignored. In Israel’s case they are indulged because of the tragic recent history of the Jews. This is a mistake. What is happening in Israel is every bit as evil as 1930’s Germany.
Yeah... Surely the person who lived in Israel for many years and considers it their home feels totally comfortable saying that "the Israeli people are depraved psychopaths" with no caveat... Frankly, I don't believe a word you just wrote about yourself, young man, not that your autobiography would somehow make your prejudiced and ignorant opinions any better even if it were true.
Is there a difference between a genocide and apartheid/open air prison/ institutional subjugation/ crimes against humanity/ sporadic airstrikes/ arbitrary detention and executions including of Children? Yes, there’s a difference obviously.
I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt of believing the claims in the provided link. The blood libel is claiming that Israel is uniquely, out of all nations in modern history conducting a war, is the first one that actively tries to reduce the birth rate of its enemy. As if no other nation ever destroyed a clinic in war. As if no other nation ever cut off power to its enemy in war. Obviously that happens very often in war.
The UN accusing us of that as a genocide and not looking at any other nation conducting a war is just a twist of the blood libel that Jews kill children of other religions which we were victims of throughout history. Treating Israel as if it’s doing something uniquely evil when everybody is either acting the same or would act the same given a similar situation is just convincing Israelis that the critique is motivated by antisemitism. Claiming genocide when the numbers and causes simply so not support it is going to harm the Palestinians long term by destroying the very little faith Israelis had in international institutions. And without that the Palestinians will have an even harder time acquiring aid.
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>The blood libel is claiming that Israel is uniquely, out of all nations in modern history conducting a war, is the first one that actively tries to reduce the birth rate of its enemy
Noone is saying Israel is the only modern nation to have committed genocide lol wtf are you on about.
>As if no other nation ever cut off power to its enemy in war.
It's literally a war crime - if you occupy a country you cannot collectively punish the civilians. Other countries that have done this have also committed war crimes. None are currently doing this en masse though, unlike Israel.
>The UN accusing us of that as a genocide and not looking at any other nation conducting a war
Israel is free to bring a genocide case against other countries to the ICJ if it wishes.
>blood libel that Jews kill children of other religions which we were victims of throughout history.
This is just snowflake territory. Jews aren't immune from committing war crimes and in any case, this isn't about Jews. It's about israel.
>Claiming genocide when the numbers and causes simply so not support it
There is no numerical threshold for genocide.
>destroying the very little faith Israelis had in international institutions.
Israelis had little faith in these institutions because Israel regularly breaches international law and they don't like being told they're doing illegal things, preferring to cry antisemitism instead of taking responsibility for their crimes.
> The blood libel is claiming that Israel is uniquely, out of all nations in modern history conducting a war, is the first one that actively tries to reduce the birth rate of its enemy.
This literally fits the definition of genocide - trying to reduce the birth rate.
> As if no other nation ever destroyed a clinic in war.
Can you point to some other IVF clinics bombed?
> The UN accusing us of that as a genocide and not looking at any other nation conducting a war
UN and other human rights organizations routinely point out the human rights abuses of other countries. Lots of people claimed Russia was conducting a genocide, that Burma was running an Apartheid regime, etc.
Maybe you just aren't reading it.
> destroying the very little faith Israelis had in international institutions
Israel has intentionally been expanding settlements in the West Bank for 57 years. They don't give a shit about international law, and never did.
> *Ugh, SURE, maybe Israel actively tries to reduce the birth rate of its enemy, and SURE, maybe Israel does other evil things too, but it's antisemitic to say so without pointing more fingers at others doing the same 😭!*
Lol okay buddy 👍
But hey i'm curious, the last time a bunch of IDF soldiers got caught on camera publicly gang-raping a prisoner, ***in what other country on Earth*** would there be [pro-rape riots to break the perpetrators out of detention](https://www.timesofisrael.com/as-protesters-back-troops-accused-of-abuse-a-debate-erupts-on-military-morality-in-war/), the sexual assault [openly defended in parliament](https://maktoobmedia.com/world/everything-is-legitimate-israeli-lawmaker-justifies-rape-of-palestinian-prisoners/), and the [perpetrators paraded around like heroes in state media](https://mondoweiss.net/2024/08/the-main-suspect-in-the-sde-teiman-gang-rape-case-is-now-a-media-star-in-israel/)?
Because all that does sound uniquely evil to me 🤷♂️.
The claim that accusing Israel of genocide is a “blood libel” is an attempt to deflect from the documented actions Israel is taking against Palestinians. Genocide is not defined by whether other nations have committed similar acts but by specific legal criteria outlined in the Genocide Convention. Deliberately destroying healthcare infrastructure, cutting off essential resources, and systematically targeting civilians are all factors that can constitute genocide when part of a broader pattern of intent to destroy a people in whole or in part.
The destruction of Gaza’s medical system, including the repeated targeting of hospitals, is not just “collateral damage” but part of a clear strategy to make life unsustainable for Palestinians. Cutting off power, food, and water in a besieged territory where civilians have no escape is not standard warfare; it is collective punishment. Other nations committing war crimes does not absolve Israel of its own actions, and claiming that international criticism of these policies is antisemitic ignores the reality of what is happening on the ground.
The idea that labeling these actions as genocide will harm Palestinians by alienating Israel from international institutions assumes that Israel was ever meaningfully constrained by them in the first place. Israel has repeatedly violated international law with little to no consequences, including settlement expansion, ethnic cleansing in the West Bank, and indiscriminate bombings in Gaza. The lack of accountability has already made Palestinian appeals to international bodies ineffective. The concern should not be about preserving Israel’s faith in these institutions but about whether they will finally enforce the laws they claim to uphold.
> *Ugh, SURE, maybe Israel actively tries to reduce the birth rate of its enemy, and SURE, maybe Israel does other evil things too, but it's antisemitic to say so without pointing more fingers at others doing the same 😭!*
Lol okay buddy 👍
But hey i'm curious, the last time a bunch of IDF soldiers got caught on camera publicly gang-raping a prisoner, ***in what other country on Earth*** would there be [pro-rape riots to break the perpetrators out of detention](https://www.timesofisrael.com/as-protesters-back-troops-accused-of-abuse-a-debate-erupts-on-military-morality-in-war/), the sexual assault [openly defended in parliament](https://maktoobmedia.com/world/everything-is-legitimate-israeli-lawmaker-justifies-rape-of-palestinian-prisoners/), and the [perpetrators paraded around like heroes in state media](https://mondoweiss.net/2024/08/the-main-suspect-in-the-sde-teiman-gang-rape-case-is-now-a-media-star-in-israel/)?
Because all that does sound uniquely evil to me 🤷♂️.
You Zionists cheapening the meaning of antisemitism is probably doing more harm to the Jewish people than whatever y’all are claiming to defend yourselves against.
Nope. There were plenty of genocides enacted in history. It’s just that the Palestinians are not victims of one or their numbers would drastically drop. Instead they increase. Least effective “genocide” ever.
“It’s called war” says man from country conducting a genocide
I imagine the Nazis would’ve said the same back in the 40s - would it have been fair then?
Could you imagine your reaction if someone said this about october 7th?
Would you just calmly accept someone saying maybe don't colonise another country if you can't handle it's consequences?
It's beyond ridiculous that you are using a term "blood libel" to shield yourself from responsibility. Israel is a country just like any other one on the planet, but somehow we have to treat it specially, because "blood libel" and "antisemitism". This reminds me of Russian propagandists before the full scale war pushing the claim of "russophobic" to justify their illegal invasion. "Russophobia" and "antisemitism" are exactly the same trick used by genocidal states deflect accusations of their crimes.
Antisemitism is not just hate, it is a pattern, a conspiracy. That is what makes it unique. Those same conspiracies and hateful patterns are weaponized against Israel.
Conspiracies and hateful patterns, eh? Like the time Israeli stormtroopers trashed an educational bookshop in Jerusalem and unjustly arrested the owners, [and ***you*** straight-up lied and said the bookstore was distributing materials informing others how to carry out attacks against the state, including a coloring book that 'instructed children to throw rocks at armed soldiers'](https://www.reddit.com/r/anime_titties/comments/1ip7zvm/comment/mcq1ou7/), all of which was completely false?
Is this the kind of hateful pattern you’re talking about?
Closing your eyes and yelling lalala does not make something false. And no, that is not a conspiracy theory. If what I was saying was false, that would be simply lies.
Conspiracy theories would be saying all Palestinians are secretly in on a plot to kill all Jews through immigration/banks/god knows what else. A conspiracy theory would be saying Palestinians drink Jewish blood for dinner.
> Closing your eyes and yelling lalala does not make something false. And no, that is not a conspiracy theory. If what I was saying was false, that would be simply lies.
But you did lie. Twice. You falsely claimed, without evidence, that the bookstore was distributing materials instructing others on how to carry out attacks against the state. Then, you claimed that the coloring book instructed children to throw rocks at armed soldiers. None of this was true, which is why the Israeli raiders [had to drop the bogus charges of incitement in favor of some bullshit 'suspicion of disturbing public order'](https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-845673).
I can only presume you made this up due to your own bigoted, likely racist, opinions, so please spare us your crocodile tears about 'weaponized hate' because the hypocrisy is just nauseating.
I shared in that thread the name of a coloring book showing kids throwing rocks. And it was not the only one. I'm not sure what more you want me to do, go back in time and go there in person to take photos?
Ow, now you lied again. You said the coloring book instructs children to throw rocks at armed soldiers. Show us this picture or share any reputable source that backs this up.
Ah, like then, you are now pretending that naming the book proves anything. Here, the book is called [From the River to the Sea by Nathi Ngubane](https://socialbanditmedia.co.za/social-bandit-media-3/from-the-river-to-the-sea/), please show us where the book instructs children to throw rocks at armed soldiers.
You are making the case that having this book is an arrestable offence. C'mon now, show us why.
So what are you saying? Are you saying there is no genocı̇de? Are you saying Zı̇onist "uniqueness" is enough to justify eradicating PaIestinians (AKA genocı̇de)? Or are you saying persecution of Jews is enough to justify that?
You are meandering around the words of the person you are replying to. You have a history of spreading bullshit and you try to weasel out of addressing it. **Not a good look.**
Everybody here knows antisemitism is wrong. Everybody here knows Harnas are terrorists. Let's talk about antisemitism elsewhere and continue staying on topic of the harmful effects of modern day Zı̇onism. It's not anti-Semitic to deny your perceived entitlement to the entirety of PaIestine. It's not anti-Semitic to call out countless atrocities committed by the IDF. Not conspiracy theories either. And in the name of reclaiming some beach, inhabited by completely innocent people?
**From your point of view, anti-Zı̇onism == antisemitism.**
lsrael is doing to PaIestinians the same that was done to "you" thousands of years ago. They're going to do the same to "you" thousands of years from now. I put "you" in quotation marks, because it's not literally you, as in, your very, singular person. That's the point. And they aren't literally the ones who took that land from Jews. And I am not putting "them" in quotation marks, figure out why. You can't be happy with letting them have that little sliver of land? Nearly every other country (save for Russia and now I guess the US too) is okay with their current borders. Other nations can somehow be the "bigger person". Why would you think that PaIestine would give up their land without fighting back? Why would you think that harming the innocents will not piss off Haᴍas even more and radicalize them even further? Is the promised land that you already have and that you have the **legitimate, undeniable ethnic right** to not enough? Where does it end?
**From others' points of view, this is conquest, bullying and genocı̇de.**
Saying that "Haᴍas has done XYZ and we merely retaliated by doing ABC" won't work as an excuse forever and for everything. **Having conspiracy theories made up against you and being attacked by Haᴍas is also not an excuse to commit genocı̇dal atrocities. The fact that your people were and still are persecuted is not enough of an excuse to retaliate against the innocent. The fact that your ancestors suffered genocı̇de is not an excuse.**
Because those are different things. Because the world is not just "us and them". It's *almost* more difficult to feel compassion towards modern Jews for what happened to their ancestors and still is happening to them if they want to put an equals sign between Judaism and Zı̇onism, especially aggressive, invasive Zı̇onism. Do not get me wrong, I am not about erasing history, I am not about denying HoIocaust, no, never. **It's you who's trying to say that the same people who suffered the biggest genocı̇de in history are the same people who are now carrying out one of their own.** And I'm not going to believe you, as a Polish person, I know my history. And I know my present. The facts speak for themselves, they are undeniable.
It's not a conspiracy theory to say that lDF has kiIled and continues to kilI children, bombed hospitals, took innocents captive. **No sane fucking person believes in bIood Iibel or that Jews secretly control the world.** Not "no person", I said **"no sane person"**, because Jews don't deserve those claims being thrown at them either.
Open your eyes.
This you, hun?
[this](https://www.reddit.com/r/anime_titties/s/tcM82XzlOX)
>There is no conspiracy that every Palestinian is evil and secretly plotting to kill us.
What a fucking coward. Saying you're not a genocide denier and in the same breath spewing pro-zionist genocide talking points.
Zionists say that Palestinians/Arabs/Muslims want to kill them all as justification to continue their campaign of ethnic cleansing and colonial expansion. Remember how much faux-outrage pro-Palestinians got for "from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free?" Zionists *loved* to say that college students in America chanting this phrase were calling for the death of all Jews in Israel.
Wow, you really went full mask off in less time than what I expected. That's... Commendable. If anything.
Zionists are seething at their lies being exposed, humanity is healing.
>Those same conspiracies and hateful patterns are weaponized against Israel.
That usually happens when you do a genocide, you know. People begin to hate you. And rightfully so.
Despicable to use accusations of antisemitism to shield yourself of any criticism. History will not be kind on you. Fascism is unsustainable, Israel will fall.
Israel is a Nazi state that tortured and murders children with glee. Its own leaders advocate killing children and women. You are a pack of rabid animals.
Why not ?
By definition it fits. So I’m confused why people are applying it to one case and not the other.
It’s funny I’m not the one being a hypocrite here
“People were allowed to return, but then we cut off their electricity so they have no clean water and nothing to power life sustaining infrastructure or hospitals, but we let everyone go home to their bombed out shells, what else do you want from us?”
Would you have preferred that Hitler succeeded in eradicating the jews from the planet?
Honestly, you should be thanking the third reich for their relative mercy.
Lol. This is one of the sillier comments I've seen recently...
I am very glad that Hitler did not succeed in a full eradication of the Jewish people. It had absolutely nothing to do with a single ounce of mercy on their part.
I wish with all of my heart that they would have stopped industrially liquidating the Jewish people prior to being forced to stop through military means.
Insane comparison and analogy.
> I wish with all of my heart that they would have stopped industrially liquidating the Jewish people prior to being forced to stop through military means.
You don't seem very thankful.
What do you mean? I just clearly said how thankful I am that they did not succeed in their extermination of the Jewish people.
Did I ask anyone to thank the State of Israel for not ethnically cleansing the Palestinians from Gaza...?
You kind of implied it was silly and unreasonable for people to not expect Israel to not just eradicate the Palestinians.
So I inferred from that you were expecting compliments from the crowd for the merciful actions of the Israeli government.
I was just thinking about how it would apply to the third reich and their treatment of jewish people. Because they didn't escalate straight to industrial eradication either.
I didn't imply that at all. You are fighting a strawman and making analogies that do not apply while being a bit of a bad faith asshole about it.
I'll break it down for you here:
One redditor said: "where is the ethnic cleansing in Gaza exactly? The people were even allowed to return during the cease fire."
Someone responded with:
“People were allowed to return, but then we cut off their electricity so they have no clean water and nothing to power life sustaining infrastructure or hospitals, but we let everyone go home to their bombed out shells, what else do you want from us?”
This responder seems to be saying that Israel didn't ethnically cleanse the Palestinians but that Israel caused so much destruction in Gaza that the Palestinian people will have such an extremely tough time dealing with moving forward that it's almost not worth it.
So I asked:
"...Would you prefer that Israel completed an ethnic cleansing and forbade Palestinian people from returning to wherever they want to go in Gaza...?"
Where is the implication that it's "unreasonable for people to not expect Israel to not just eradicate the Palestinians" or "that the current option offered was actually extremely merciful and gracious"??
It seems very obvious to me that my implication is that it's better to not be ethnically cleansed despite the difficulties of continuing to live in Gaza versus being ethnically cleansed from a land that you wish to remain on.
Would you disagree with that? Somehow I don't think you would...
Well I wish Oct 7th and the ensuing war never happened either, but the destruction of the war did happen...? It can't just disappear..?
It isn't a dichotomy... One thing happened in our reality that you are wishing didn't happen, and the other thing has yet to happen but could still happen.
Plenty
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_genocide_in_the_October_7_Hamas-led_attack_on_Israel
Let alone by definition it clearly fits.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_Convention
“any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
— Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, Article 2[9]
That source has very few truly credible authorities on genocide and pretty universally share the bias of citing the original Hamas charter instead of the 2017 one. They also use the classic Zionist lie of conflating the destruction of Israel with the destruction of all Jews.
You're also mistaken on your application of the definition of genocide or don't know the purpose of that attack. Hamas was taking hostages to trade for hostages held by Israel. That is not a genocidal goal. They even offered to return all of the hostages in exchange for no invasion, but Israel said no and started a real genocide known as the New Holocaust.
Weird how you want to argue with experts.
Let alone Hamas intent is very clear on the destruction of Israel. So it’s weird how are sitting here and defending a genocidal terrorist organization
It’s wild you claim to have morals while ignoring a genocide.
Your own source listed the issues with the people cited, their biases, and the outdated charter they cited. I figured you didn't read it so relisted them.
There is no genocide in Israel. The claim is classic DARVO.
You claimed that the experts cited are "biased" and that the Hamas charter is "outdated" (it's not, Hamas is still operating under it) and are now saying there's "no evidence." This is classic denial.
[Even Genocide Watch (which also accuses Israel of genocide, so you can skip the 'bias' complaint) agrees.](https://www.genocidewatch.com/single-post/genocide-emergency-alert-israel-and-gaza)
I hope you're learning your lesson here. If you don't want to think October 7th was genocide, you're allowed to think that. But then you can't get upset and call people genocide deniers when they don't think the Gaza war is genocide.
Did you read that report? That reads like they're trying to find a middle ground instead of just condemning Israel. They cite accusations of denying the First Holocaust and reference Hamas' original charter while downplaying the fact Israel was founded on stolen land. There is bias even if they claim against both. Numerous organizations have had to claim both sides are equally wrong (they are both wrong, but not equal) in attempts to not lose funding or access.
There is also no lesson here. I already knew zionists will use DARVO to obfuscate things and your last paragraph is doing that while claiming parity between a single, awful terrorist attack and tens of thousands of dead with 90% of infrastructure destroyed. Both sides may claim genocide, but only one side is going through it.
https://www.memri.org/reports/hamas-official-ghazi-hamad-we-will-repeat-october-7-attack-time-and-again-until-israel
Weird…..
They seem pretty clear on the genocide thing. It’s weird how you want to ignore intent and theirs own words
Do you also believe this part of your source?
>We did not want to harm civilians, but there were complications on the ground, and there was a party in the area, with [civilian] population... It was a large area, across 40 kilometers...
He's also clearly speaking of the nation, not the people. Did you not look at that source either?
[240 legal experts from across the world.](https://archive.ph/2023.10.19-000330/https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd4lrsDRg3HbJqoAf0BlAe7BHJuzpQB_Le27Iureq9vpCoBkw/viewform)
Yep, the other person already referenced it and I pointed out from their source the issues with it.
Claiming that Israel is suffering genocide is DARVO.
Yes, Hamas wants to annihilate Israel, they are also a Terrorist group.
So your point is comparing Israel, a STATE, with those of a Terrorist group ?
This is like saying, "oh it's ok for Cops to commit crimes, because criminals also commit crimes"
No idea. But the page describes a small sect that was excommunicated by the Jewish rabbis. They basically split off from Judaism. So whatever it is you want to claim about Jews does not apply here
I'm not claiming anything about Jews. As you said, they were condemned by the rabbis, but a significant number of Jewish people started following this cult. I'm just saying, the blood libel is not entirely baseless.
As it turns out, if you tell people they can act on their most degenerate instincts and desires, they will jump at the chance. This does not only apply to Jews, but it does seem to be an ideology many in the IDF have embraced.
Why is that? Are you denying the war crimes committed by the IDF? As I said, if you tell people they can act like savages without consequences, they will do so. But you are dismissing these crimes as "blood libel" and I just showed you were blood libel originally came from.
I’m not saying there were no crimes committed, but that nobody told IDF troops to act like savages. That’s an antithesis for any modern military to be successful.
>but that nobody told IDF troops to act like savages
But they do it anyway? Is there just no discipline in the IDF? Where are their commanders? There are hundreds of videos of IDF soldiers filming themselves committing war crimes. Are they being prosecuted by the Israeli justice system?
So you think the intentional demolition of empty homes and looting/ransacking civilian property is just a part of war? What do you think of the physical and sexual abuse of Palestinian detainees? Just a part of war?
Intentional demolition is part of war when the enemy uses civilian infrastructure for military purposes. There is no widespread looting though it probably did happen here or there. There is one recorded case of sexual abuse of a detainee and those responsible are now on trial. What else do you want?
>Intentional demolition is part of war when the enemy uses civilian infrastructure for military purposes.
Northern Gaza was deserted when IDF soldiers felt safe enough to enter homes, rig them with explosives, and film themselves blowing them up. The rest of your assertions are equally dishonest.
Lmao bro really said blood libel. You do realize people don’t believe y’all anymore right? The world sees y’all for what you are, and we will see a free Palestine.
The Israeli response to the accusations that are backed with mountains of evidence was:
>“The IDF (Israeli Defence Force) has concrete directives ... and policies which unequivocally prohibit such misconduct”
Oh, they have a policy! No one was raped at Sde Teiman because there is a policy about not raping people! Similarly, the IDF didn’t use human shields, they didn’t execute their human shields when they outlived their usefulness, they didn’t murder journalists and doctors and nurses and tens of thousands of innocent civilians and all the other atrocities committed because they had a policy saying they don’t do this.
Delete all the video! Destroy all the evidence! We’re all mistaken. It didn’t happen. The IDF have a policy document proving it didn’t happen.
Did you read the report of are you just parroting what you've heard somewhere else?
She said she had reasonable grounds to believe sexual violence occurred, she could not confirm because Israel blocked her from analysing the evidence.
She also found 2 of your state actors during her interviews.
>The report also indicated that the detention of Palestinians has been compounded by sexual violence.
You also ignored this part.
[This is hardly an exceptional occurrence.](https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/palestinians/2025-03-12/ty-article/.premium/israeli-soldiers-severely-assaulted-palestinians-when-they-complained-idf-police-laughed/00000195-8505-dafb-adfd-af87f6900000)
Latter more false reporting was found out.
[https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/how-2-debunked-accounts-of-sexual-violence-on-oct-7-fueled-a-global-dispute-over-israel-hamas-war](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/how-2-debunked-accounts-of-sexual-violence-on-oct-7-fueled-a-global-dispute-over-israel-hamas-war)
And since that report was from direct interviews to Israelis, it's not unknown that you lie a lot.
[https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-palestine-war-personnel-false-information-7-october-attack](https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-palestine-war-personnel-false-information-7-october-attack)
There is one last note, your said "mass rapes occurred on Oct 7th by Hamas", specifically mass rapes did not occur on that day.
Both saying there were, and denying there were, are both wrong until undeniable proof is presented. Having fake victims testifying it did not help your case.
I will discuss this once you offer an opinion as to whether Israel should be allowed continue systematic rape against Palestinians.
Do you think Israel should be allowed to rape Palestinians?
And I assumed you’d deny the rapes that occurred on Oct. 7th to show even you don’t trust the UN.
Was I wrong? Did we both assume wrong?
Do you accept that UN article as legitimate?
So you again deflect from Israel's rape and war crimes - why is that? You agree with it?
There are problems with that particular UN report - [read this for more context](https://mondoweiss.net/2024/03/heres-what-pramila-pattens-un-report-on-oct-7-sexual-violence-actually-said/).
If you're familiar with it, it was not an investigation.
Israel has blocked the UN from carrying out its official investigation of October 7, so we cannot know.
If sexual violence took place, it should be condemned. I also condemn any killing of civilians.
Israel is proven to have lied about this for propaganda purposes, however - see also beheaded babies and pregnant woman and fetus being killed - all debunked.
So then, how do you prove your UN articles are true, while this one isn’t?
And I have read it. It says:
“There are reasonable grounds to believe that conflict-related sexual violence — including rape and gang-rape — occurred across multiple locations of Israel and the Gaza periphery during the attacks on 7 October 2023, a senior United Nations official reported to the Security Council today, as she presented findings from her visit to Israel and the occupied West Bank.”
There. It says there are reasonable ground to believe sexual violence occurred.
I'm aware it is intent. I'm failing to see how Israel has killed such a small amount of the population though over the last 1.5 years when they've had total military superiority given such a hypothetical intent
Intent is one element of the genocide convention. Are you familiar with the legal definition?
As I say, it is not to do with the number of people killed.
[Here's a database of over 500 statements of genocidal intent by Israel's leaders.](https://law4palestine.org/law-for-palestine-releases-database-with-500-instances-of-israeli-incitement-to-genocide-continuously-updated/)
If anything, there is more open intent than any past example in history.
I'm guessing that's why many genocide scholars (including Israeli ones) concur that it does constitute genocide.
>Sure. Because if you believe genocide is the only accusation,
I'm not discussing the others which are more credible. I'm arguing the lack of credibility here and that making it undermines the expert's claims on the other more credible issues. (boy who cried wolf dynamic).
>and you don’t know the definition,
Well aware. Even this article is failing to show primary intent is to reduce group's numbers.
So you only want to argue about genocide, you don’t know the definition and you have dismissed all the evidence. You don’t have an argument. What you say boils down to a simple denial.
>"Israeli authorities have destroyed in part the reproductive capacity of the Palestinians in Gaza as a group, including by imposing measures intended to prevent births, one of the categories of genocidal acts in the Rome Statute and the Genocide Convention,
Yah ok, this isn't going to be some permanent thing that has any effect on the number of Palestinians.
I'm sure bombing Dresden and Tokyo took out some women's health clinics as well. No one calls that a genocide.
At least you agree that what Israel is doing falls within the legal definition of genocide.
It's ironic that the Genocide Convention was created as a response to the horrors of the Holocaust.
Yes it is.
You claiming it isn’t doesn’t mean anything.
It is a valid comparison. All wars and conflicts are pretty valid comparisons to be able to discuss other conflicts and wars.
I dare you to speak about this conflict without bringing up any other conflict or groups from the past or outside of Israel and Palestine.
That’s idiotic.
It is a valid comparison lol. It is because I just compared it and you can’t seem to explain or show why it isn’t valid.
Sorry, but it will remain a valid comparison until you prove otherwise.
Also, I will do this to any comparison you make to show you how idiotic it is until you either explain why mine isn’t valid or you accept it is.
> You’re entitled to your opinion but not everything can be compared.
That’s not an explanation as to why my comparison isn’t valid. You really can’t answer that, can you?
I mean, it should be very easy to explain how my comparison isn’t valid, but you can’t at all, and still won’t.
So the only conclusion is that you’re scared of that comparison, because it is valid, and totally fucks your definition of genocide.
> Best not to deflect from what is happening now.
Why are you not currently focused on starving children in Africa?
Again, an idiotic point that makes no sense.
You’re deflecting by not simply stating how my comparison isn’t valid and proving me wrong.
> The Genocide Convention did not even exist during WWII.
So everything prior to that convention isn’t genocide to you?
The Armenian genocide?
The Native American genocide?
The holocaust?
What is your point in even saying that?
We can retroactively determine genocide, that is totally legitimate to do when new information is out or definitions remade.
I don't think we should take any UNGR resolution seriously.
>accept the entire land is Palestine?
The land belongs to whoever has the military to control it. Presently Israel.
So you're going to pick and choose which parts of the UN matter so that you're not just preaching a "might is right" ideology that admits Palestine is occupied land?
>So you're going to pick and choose which parts of the UN matter
No, I'm referencing the charter. UNGR does not have legal authority; UNSC does.
>so that you're not just preaching a "might is right" ideology that admits Palestine is occupied land?
Might is right is to some degree a cornerstone in geopoltiics.
None of this implies all of Palestine is occupied, which is a legal definition.
I mean, the article doesn't have any evidence either. It says the IDF is "using forced public stripping and sexual assault as part of their standard operating procedures" but doesn't give any evidence to support that claim.
There’s a lot of photos of Palestinian prisoners stripped and left without clothing, most were taken by Israel themselves because they enjoy that sort of thing.
Thanks to Palestine's long distinguished history of using suicide bombers, the logic is they need to be checked for explosives on their persons. Not because of "enjoyment", I'd need to see a citation for that.
Israel's country was literally formed by terrorists...and they continue enacting terrorism on surrounding countries with impunity. And Mossad has a reputation for conducting political assassinations (terrorism) around the world. But you don't see anyone cavity searching Israelis when they fly...
It's almost like demented people will always find an excuse to carry out disgusting acts
Pretty much this. The rules of war are meant to protect uninvolved civilians so that combatants can better distinguish targets and that there is overall a reduction in unnecessary killing.
Putting military weapons into civilian areas only means that civilians will die when those weapons get hit. Not that it suddenly becomes protected.
Non-uniformed combatants just means that suspected targets will be hit, which may include civilians.
Children soldiers mean children may be killed.
In each case, the side violating the rule is the one to blame.
>In each case, the side violating the rule is the one to blame.
So Israel?
[https://www.dw.com/en/is-israels-army-using-palestinians-as-human-shields/a-70166645](https://www.dw.com/en/is-israels-army-using-palestinians-as-human-shields/a-70166645)
[https://edition.cnn.com/2024/10/24/middleeast/palestinians-human-shields-israel-military-gaza-intl/index.html](https://edition.cnn.com/2024/10/24/middleeast/palestinians-human-shields-israel-military-gaza-intl/index.html)
[https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/14/world/middleeast/israel-gaza-military-human-shields.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/14/world/middleeast/israel-gaza-military-human-shields.html)
Sure.
@israel
"Israel, don't hide weapons in civilian areas, use ununiformed soldiers as combatants, or use child soldiers. Otherwise, your civilians may suffer needlessly if an enemy launches aerial strikes targeting military infrastructure "
Are you happy?
Several of the people in those photos were identified as civillians and journalists. There's no reason to not give their clothes back after searching them.
As is Human Rights Watch, Amnesty, Btselem, ICC, ICJ, Holocaust and genocide scholars, holocaust survivors, israeli historians... gee, why are all the human rights people going after Israel? Surely they're all anti Semitic including the Israeli ones.
Identified by Israel themselves, they routinely release Palestinian from the rape camps after holding them without charges.
They are literally torturing Dr. Abu Safiya as you read this and holding him without charges.
You went from
>I mean, the article doesn’t have any evidence either.
to
>Jihadist terrorists don’t like being humiliated. Sucks to suck.
in 3 posts. You both fully support it and deny it’s happening. How much more proof of bad faith do we need?
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Oh wow, the "experts:"
>U.N. Independent International Commission of Inquiry on the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem, and Israel
And who is the "U.N. Independent International Commission of Inquiry on the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem, and Israel?"
[the Human Rights Council held a special session on “the Grave Human Rights Situation in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem” and adopted the resolution “Ensuring respect for international human rights law and international humanitarian law in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem, and in Israel”.](https://www.ohchr.org/en/hr-bodies/hrc/co_israel/index)
The Human Rights Council? That sounds serious! What is the "Human Rights Council?"
[In 2006, UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan argued that the UNHRC should not have a "disproportionate focus on violations by Israel. Not that Israel should be given a free pass. Absolutely not. But the Council should give the same attention to grave violations committed by other states as well".[121]. On 20 June 2007, Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon issued a statement that read: "The Secretary-General is disappointed at the Council's decision to single out only one specific regional item given the range and scope of allegations of human rights violations throughout the world."[122] Ban Ki-moon also reiterated the importance of investigating and upholding international humanitarian law with respect to the Israeli occupied Palestinian territories, stating in 2016 that "History proves that people will always resist occupation...Palestinian frustration and grievances are growing under the weight of nearly a half-century of occupation. Ignoring this won’t make it disappear. No one can deny that the everyday reality of occupation provokes anger and despair, which are major drivers of violence and extremism and undermine any hope of a negotiated two-state solution."[123]]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Human_Rights_Council#Accusations_of_bias_against_Israel)
Yes, they sound very objective.
Honest question: what about your comment implies that the human rights council is not objective? You haven't made any sort of argument that they are not the leading authority on human rights made up of experts.
They are the leading experts in the world on human rights.
You seem to think it's a coincidence that every human rights group in the world calls out Israel for its violations - including human rights groups in Israel.
Ok, let's tease out this out a bit further.
If you don't think the likes of the OHCHR are the world's leading experts on human rights, who do you think the world's leading experts are?
Secondly, can you explain why there is consensus from every human rights organisation that Israel has systematically violated human rights for decades?
Even if that was true, focusing on one regional issue doesn't mean they aren't objective. It means they should give similar attention to other issues as well.
>Even if that was true, focusing on one regional issue doesn't mean they aren't objective.
Can you prove their objectivity? What part of what I shared isn't true?
Israel calls Hamas evil for something they do 10x more.
As always, someone else is to blame.
As far as Israel is concerned: Nothing justifies October 7th while October 7th justifies everything.
They're on a genocide speed run.
The usual, when asking for aid Israel claims moral superiority, but when excusing away its genocidal acts they pull the ol' switcheroo with moral equivalence.
Hey Israel, here's a no-brainer, don't compare yourselves to a terrorist organization if you don't want to be labeled one.
> GENEVA, March 13 (Reuters) - Israel carried out genocidal acts against Palestinians by systematically destroying women’s healthcare facilities during the conflict in Gaza, and used sexual violence as a war strategy, United Nations experts said in a report on Thursday.
> Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu rejected the report’s findings, saying they were biased and antisemitic.
They played the “biased” and “antisemitic” cards. Checkmate United Nations.
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