4070 Ti SUPER or 5070?

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TitaniumDogEyes@reddit

This. 5070 suffers bad from lack of VRAM.

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Let's be fully honest - it does not "suffer badly" from the lack of VRAM. There ARE (very few) cases where 12gb is not enough, but they are rare and PRACTICAL ones among them (and not RT/PT on 4k or whatever) is even rarer.

But it geniunely is lame to just have these situations at all with new 550$+ GPU.

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Square_Rutabaga5728@reddit

You need to see some real tests and not just fabricated number.... 5070 do get fked due to limited vram

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Rough_Ad_2607@reddit

What resolution? WHAT TEST? 😂 ths nga watchin 8k tenti porn

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godlytoast3r@reddit

First of all, no. And second of all, even if it did, you could literally just set shadows to medium and everything else to ultra and literally never run out of 12GB with modern games. 12GB is literally fine dude, all the demands for VRAM imply how little consumers know about GPUs

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Cucumber_the_clown@reddit

PCVR would like a word...

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phylum_sinter@reddit

an the mod scene within, ffs

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Indi_Drones@reddit

Test vs real world applications are two different beats.

Outside of 4k gaming, (If you even do that) when do you seriously use up 12gb of Vram?

Be honest.

I'm a 3D artist (Job also) and I still get away with a 3070 8gb Vram before I upgraded to a 4070 super

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Straight-Yam-2723@reddit

It's not really getting there right now; there are no games that will max out the 5070 VRAM, especially if you have DLSS and frame generation on, which takes a lot of load off the VRAM. Only a few games currently have 12GB recommended, but it might definitely be a hindrance in the future when 4K 120fps gaming is more common.

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Far-Brief-4300@reddit

Dlss uses more Vram lol

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AggressiveDevice1880@reddit

If you wanna play games with max ultra settings like I do, that extra vram is much needed. It does suffer badly.

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Wise_Possession_9656@reddit

Anybody who is playing 4k ultra settings is already gonna be making enough to not even be worried about anything under a 90 series card, its a 1440p card.

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GARGEAN@reddit

Noone sane is gonna buy 5070 to play at 4K with max ultra settings, lol.

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AggressiveDevice1880@reddit

Ah i see he wants 1440p.

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cubanohermano@reddit

I’m honestly disappointed with the vram options of the 50 series release

Even the 5080 coming with only 16gb is kinda mid.

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adeezl@reddit

You guys don't understand VRAM, that's the issue. You can't be helped

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cubanohermano@reddit

I run out of vram. More = better

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adeezl@reddit

What could you possibly be doing to run out of vram when gaming? What games?

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AggressiveDevice1880@reddit

latest releases on 4K ultra settings + ray tracing etc.

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cubanohermano@reddit

VR titles on high settings

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adeezl@reddit

I had a Lenovo 16i 2021 laptop model with the 3080 @ 16gb, and never ran out of VRAM playing any VR games, including that game with the same settings. Something else must be going on.

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cubanohermano@reddit

Alyx VRAM warning. if you say so.

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adeezl@reddit

Lol what GPU are you using? This game is almost 6 years old.

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Originaltenshi@reddit

Shit even the 9070xt disappointed me cause my friend is willing to buy my current card for how much I paid for it, but the 16gb keeps me from upgrading when I have a 7900xt 20gb

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Square_Rutabaga5728@reddit

9070xt isn't an upgrade for 7900xt 9070xt is placed to be between 7800 and 7900!! It's a budget card.. but in some reason like mine too it's over 7900xt for now..!! Yeah the architecture got increased with adder t cores... but compute power is still less...Got it??? Probably next gpu they laugh on the basis of 9070 would be better than 7900 series

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Ok-Preparation-3545@reddit

rx 9070xt is better card then 7900xt....its not xtx

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DisasterCharacter263@reddit

since when is 9070xt a budget card?? also, in terms of rasterization, the 9070xt actually (barely, ranging from 4-9%) outperforms the 7900xt (sources are both tom's hardware and techpowerups).

Still absolutely not a worthwhile "upgrade" to go from

7900xt --> 9070xt

especially considering its actually a significant downgrade in terms of vram, BUT it definitely is not "between 7800 and 7900", and considering even excluding the scalpers gouging the price, the msrp does not dictate it being a "budget card"

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Originaltenshi@reddit

Yeah I just ended up moving my 1000w psu to my main pc so when an actual better card releases I might snag it. Otherwise my 7900xt is working amazing with the ddr5 platform

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Indi_Drones@reddit

Do you need more than 16gb in your daily usage/workflow?

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cubanohermano@reddit

Daily usage yea (i usually do vr laps in laguna seca or play dirt rally 2.0 to unwind)

Workflow i use my macbook since im usually in the field and the only real need for a computer is conveniently moving around files to and from portable ssds (shout out the t5 shield)

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bwedlo@reddit

Ty was away from tech news and I’m baffled to learn the 5070 standard does not come with 16 !!! 🥴 skip.

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adeezl@reddit

NOT true, I have the 4070 Ti Super from 2024, 4GB VRAM isn't going to matter. No AAA games use this amount of ram. It's the same people here choading on 4GB of VRAM over people that think they need 64GB system ram. Not a thing.. never will be.. people here are kids.

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DisasterCharacter263@reddit

"never will be" people said that about 8gb of system ram not too long ago. Some people prefer to play at 4k and the 4 gb actually does matter. Either way, soon enough it won't matter if you play at 4k or 1440p as games only get more intensive man

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AggressiveDevice1880@reddit

This. When I bought my 4070 ti super, people were telling me 16GB was too much. It was not too much at all. You'll need every ram you can get for latest and future releases. I've already encountered several games where I hit 16GB RAM on ultra settings. I'm not willing to play on medium settings and 1400p.

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franklinzunge@reddit

What games may I ask?

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franklinzunge@reddit

It’s better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it

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adeezl@reddit

I don't think you'll need more than 16gb of vram for years to come. It goes by games released. There aren't that many AAA games to be released for a while. I have the 4070ti super with 16gb. I've yet to see a game use more than 12gb at 4k. Of course, the average user will not need 64gb of dram either. They are not doing professional quality video editing. They are playing Minecraft, fortnite and light gaming like that. It's like people asking on Reddit if they need a 5070ti to play roblox.

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Numerous_Gas362@reddit

Nonsense, I've gone above 12GBs of VRAM usage in several games already, including Monster Hunter Wilds.

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adeezl@reddit

cool, I don't see how in that game, post screens with your settings. I'll test on my PC when I get home. 4070 TI super 16gb

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Numerous_Gas362@reddit

Nobody cares whether you believe it or not, it is a fact that some games already use more than 12GBs of VRAM.

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adeezl@reddit

it's bullshit though, not a real thing. I don't believe it

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AggressiveDevice1880@reddit

its not bullshit. I've experienced as well. Some of us don't wanna play on Medium settings and 1440p. 😂

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adeezl@reddit

🤭 I guess you'll need a 5080+ or amd equivalent, which is definitely not what we were comparing. 4k ultra with ray tracing on..

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broimsus@reddit (OP)

Same, recency bias got to me lately.

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adeezl@reddit

You don't need a big budget to play minecraft or Valorant. You can play these games on an iGPU 780m from AMD. "dabbling" into AAA titles is a difference.. but you won't be playing those... so don't worry about that.

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Master-Egg-7677@reddit

4070 Ti Super. Better performance and more vram.

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Square_Rutabaga5728@reddit

But is it better than 5070 ti?

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Dafuori@reddit

Well, not actually, 5070ti is nearly 4080 performance

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adeezl@reddit

4070 Ti Super is also nearly 4080 performance 🙋

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lord7grim@reddit

Quelque mois plus tard et une 5070ti > 4080 quoi que légèrement

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Immediate-Branch-82@reddit

So I'm at 7 months later than you, 5070ti is newseal and I have to pay 100$ to upgrade from 4070ti super inno3D to msi 5070 Should I take it

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Illustrious-Party120@reddit

I use a 4070tiS for 1440p and it works beautifully.

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FAWNAGE@reddit

Same

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AcceptableMistake148@reddit

same

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Sure-Half-4708@reddit

Bro, I'm fine with my 2060 hahaha, you don't need that much for those games

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Alternative-Barber52@reddit

Some people drive expensive cars. I have a bicycle.I don't neee much to come to work. Hahaha.

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Skrmnghrdr@reddit

I have a 4070ti super with Ryzen 7 9700x in ny itx case.

I game on 1080p: Maxed out on everything Cyberpunk with path tracing Stalker Forza Expedition 33 Space Marine 2 Far Cry 6 Assassin's Creed Odyssey Sniper Elite (200% render scale) Both are running cool

I noticed that you need more vram when you put higher resolution on it.

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o0Spoonman0o@reddit

want to dabble in AAA gaming occasionally

Don't buy anything less than 16GB of VRAM if you're gaming at 1440p; right now 12GB would be alright MOST of the time. But we're starting to see more games push past that and I'd be seriously worried about the longevity of a 12GB card.

Saving a bit of money and gimping your VRAM is not worth. Sorry to hear about the scalper situation the 9070xt sounds like it would be perfect for you (at MSRP)

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young_steezy@reddit

I mean, im using a 3070ti (8gb vram) and i can get 140+ fps in most multiplayer games I play at 1440p with medium-high settings.

Sure, if I turn in RT then my frames crumble, but only a couple games are even worth playing with RT at the moment.

Just saying that 8gb vram is definitely still more than playable.

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Hades_2424@reddit

I haven’t run into any issues with my 8gb 3070ti. Sure, I can’t run ultra graphics on indiana jones but I can turn down and few settings and get 60 plus fps easily. All of the multiplayer games I play run well over 120 fps on med/ high settings. If developers start creating games that can’t be played on less than 16 gb vram then I will start to worry about it.

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Neat_Program8402@reddit

The entire gaming industry has become toxic. This is definitely not an nvidia vram issue. It's more of a game optimization issue with a lot of the newer games. Game developers are rushing to put their games out in order to get to the $$ so they're puting out unoptimized pieces of crap. It should be understood that ultra and max settings are reserved for high end cards.

Also youtubers make you feel like if you have 8gb or 12gb of vram then your gpu is garbage adding to the toxic buying and selling off of gpus.

I have a 4070 and will be keeping it for another 4+ years. Do I care if I have to lower settings as the years go by? No. As long as the textures are on ultra, the rest can all sink to low or medium.

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Square_Rutabaga5728@reddit

Bro nobody asked about your shit experience!! He want a answer.. don't fk him up with "bruh.. 8gb is enough.. 3000 series is enough bullshit" and parallelly saying your game suks!!

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o0Spoonman0o@reddit

You need to take the reply in the context of OP's question.

5070 is $100 cheaper in my region than 4070 Ti SUPER but assuming I can afford both, what one provides more value?

Stronger GPU + more VRAM = easily worth 100 more.

For my needs, I play mostly VALORANT, Minecraft and want to dabble in AAA gaming occasionally.

IF they would like to dabble in AAA occasionally they will be best suited with 16GB of Vram. If they'd stated all they care about is Valorant the 5070 would have been fine (albeit a shit value, comparatively).

Just saying that 8gb vram is definitely still more than playable.

Playable is not typically the target I recommend for people when picking parts for brand new gaming systems.

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Square_Rutabaga5728@reddit

It certainly is!! But he could opt for 5070 ti.. it's a lot better in terms of performance and vram is also 16gbs.. (if it is not much costly... It should be in the range too!!)

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Square_Rutabaga5728@reddit

9070xt isn't going on MSRP(ATLEAST IN MAJOR REGIONS, PROBABLY YOUS TOO)... Still thanks to NVIDIA... And AMD cards not good for productivity and content creation.. Editing and stuffs.. so yeah it's just for gaming... This much money just for gaming.. and u lack creative apis and hardware

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Puffycatkibble@reddit

Me with a 10gb card on 4k 🥲

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Hiply@reddit

This. I'm still sitting with my 8gig 3070 and waiting for one of the 16 gig variants in the XX70 (40 or 50, either one) series to come back to earth price-wise. No way I would even consider going from 8 to 12...it's simply not at all future-proofed.

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Square_Rutabaga5728@reddit

5070 ti
4070 ti super
4070 ti
4070
5070

It's irl performance results.. not just on paper..!! (Hope it helps)

Plus idk why 5070 compute power is super low.. idk because of vram or something!! But it is!!

Plus on paper btw... 5070 is 2x of 4090😂

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MajorGrom@reddit

5070 ti
4070 ti super
4070 ti
5070
4070

Fixed.

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Armendicus@reddit

Doesnt the ti super have 16 gb vram? And the same perf as the 5070 non ti ? Then get the ti super. 12gb is not gon carry you long. You may be able to find a 9070 nonxt as a bundle.

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CharcoalGreyWolf@reddit

The Super has 16GB pf RAM and is closer to the 5070 Ti than the 5070. It’s basically a cut down 4080.

I just bought one at MSRP for my “new” build, because I want new performance but old school CUDA/OpenCL/PhysX support for a couple of games I still go back to. That and it was cheaper than most other options and will be just fine for 2k gaming.

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Square_Rutabaga5728@reddit

5070 sucks.... 5070 ti far better.. and on second there's 4070 ti super... 5070 even performs below than 4070

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Armendicus@reddit

Then its settled.

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Square_Rutabaga5728@reddit

It's not just about vram.. 5070 performance also suck.. it's below than 4070 and 4070 ti and 4070 ti super... And yeah one more thing.. 5070 ti is far better in performance it's above all the 4070 variants... It's a real performance test results not just on paper..!! On paper btw 5070 is 2x better than 4090😂😂

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thunder6776@reddit

4070 ti super is much faster than 5070 non ti, 5070 non ti is barely faster than a 4070 super.

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One-Recommendation-1@reddit

Good luck finding a 4070 Ti super

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broimsus@reddit (OP)

They aren't running out of stock here yet. I guess people really don't game here haha

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surelycan@reddit

What area are you in? I can't seem to find one anywhere :(

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Acrobatic-Bus3335@reddit

4070ti super > base 5070

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hnrrghQSpinAxe@reddit

4070ti super 50 series did not pan out well for gaming

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AussieMarcel@reddit

You can probably grab a secondhand 4070 Ti Super in like new secondhand condition for a few hundred cheaper than a 5070 anyway. I’ve seen some decent deals around Melbourne on the marketplace. That 16GB of VRAM is peace of mind for when AAA games start utilising more than 12GB of your frame buffer, which won’t be too far in the future. Better to grab a GPU with 16GB now and use it until 16GB is no longer satisfactory for 1440P gaming which could very well be ~5 years. Or, you could just wait for the prices of the 9070 and 9070 XT to normalise if you’d rather AMD.

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DirteeCanuck@reddit

Took back a 5070 TI for the 5070.

The 12gb of ram is fine for my needs and is ddr7

Big problem with the other cards is they are 300w+ and when summer comes I know things will be cooking.

I'd rather have 200-250w

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raydialseeker@reddit

Kinda stupid when you can undervolt a 5070ti to pull 250w and have nearly 100% of the performance

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DirteeCanuck@reddit

I did undervolt it.

Was BSODING and going bananas. Little more stable still but not acceptable as it cost $1400 CDN

Still having issues with the 5070. The hotfix drivers did nothing. Nvidia really dropped the ball.

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v5point0@reddit

Can you even find either esp the 40 series card? Shops may list them because they too lazy to mark as sold out or they just like the traffic. Until you can actually place an order without it being cancelled is your confirmation there is stock.

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Eddytion@reddit

4070 Ti Super, more Vram and better performance.

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TyGo98@reddit

I don't know your region but al least here in Europe and USA the 9070s are a lot cheaper then any nvidia card and they are pretty good too so i would consider buying one of them in case

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bstsms@reddit

Get the 4070ti Super

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1dirtypanda@reddit

Most ppl here saying 4070 TI Super. But in the US, I'm seeing these go for $950+!! So 4070-TI-S at $950 or 5070 at $600 (msrp after tax)?

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Tweakn3ss@reddit

9070

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jatet2@reddit

What about the 5070ti?

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GladiusLegis@reddit

Good luck finding one even remotely close to MSRP.

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jatet2@reddit

Is it good despite price?

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FailsatFailing@reddit

But where I live the 407p ti super costs almost the same as the 5070 ti

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Windows_736@reddit

I would potentially wait for the 9070 XT. But I have the exact same combo you want to get (9700x + 4070 ti super)

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humanmanhumanguyman@reddit

I'd wait if you can. No card is sanely priced right now.

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broimsus@reddit (OP)

For real man.

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CounterSYNK@reddit

They’re exactly the same performance so whichever is cheaper. Look out for a 9070 or 9070 XT for msrp

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pacoLL3@reddit

I love how all of you here are completely ignoring the games he plays and that the 5070 is considerably cheaper for him.

I too would recommend the 4070TI Super but it's a lot closer than the comments here would suggest.

Also the super weird VRAM scare of social media has reched new levels. Which is crazy, considering it was absolutely insane before already.

You guys do know that a 5070 is still a much faster card than a 7800XT even in 4k ultra if you look at average numbers in modern, demanding games, right?

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Jbarney3699@reddit

4070TI Super is the better purchase.

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Reddi426@reddit

The 4070 ti super is the better card because mainly, as other have said, 16gb vram vs 12gb vram. But considering valorant and minecraft aren't demanding games and those are the games you play mostly, a 5070 should be fine for your use case, as long as you have a capable cpu of course. It really depends on how much of a priority you put into dabbling in AAA games I suppose. Personally I would just go for the 4070 ti super if you could aford it just for the 16gb vram

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mrsupersumthing@reddit

4070 Ti Super no doubt. More VRAM, better performance.

The 5070 is pretty much a 4070 Super in everything but name.

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