(Incoming PM) Carney says Canada’s tariffs to stay until UЅ shows ‘respect’
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Dont_touch_my_spunk@reddit
This is the right move. Until the US makes it clear they will make no attempt to annex us (absolutely fucking insane that we need to even ask for this), and a signed agreement that tariffs are off the table for the foreseeable future.
AVonGauss@reddit
Trump never threatened to forcibly annex Canada, he actually ruled that out. What he did say is he believes Canadians would want to become part of the United States, not sure where he got that idea though.
With how much online Canada is working themselves in to a frenzy spamming every subreddit they can find, it wouldn’t surprise me if polling ultimately indicates an increase in support by Canadians who just want the drama to stop.
ToranjaNuclear@reddit
Dude, if Canada or Mexico's president merely suggested an annexation and called your president a "governor" your country would be having a fucking meltdown. That's while he was threatning Greenland and Panama. And Trump doubled down on this idiocy many times. It's a direct attack on their sovereignty, you just brush it aside because it wasn't done against the US.
Don't be disingenuous.
ClevelandDawg0905@reddit
Not really people talk shit about Trump all the time to the point where we don't even care.
BezerkMushroom@reddit
Bullshit, Canadians booed the US anthem at a hockey match and MAGA snowflakes turned it into headline news lmao
ClevelandDawg0905@reddit
You understand that Hockey isn't even a top five sport league in the US? Like MAGA doesn't watch hockey. NASCAR has a higher turnout.
Americans stopped giving a fuck about the national anthem a long term ago. There was this guy name Kaepernick that basically destroyed that taboo. I mean it would be nice to have a unified moment for like two and half minutes, but that bridge been burnt down years ago.
mku7tr4@reddit
“And starve to death” lmfaoo yeah you’re right, we definitely don’t have our own food here and should concede immediately. R u dum?
ClevelandDawg0905@reddit
You understand that the majority of pork that is eaten in Canada comes from the US right?
And you are going to import from where? Europe an additional 3,500 miles? That isn't going to be cheap.
mku7tr4@reddit
So let me get this straight, we’re going to starve to death because checks notes… we’re not eating your pork? Sounds a bit hyperbolic don’t you think?
The EU isn’t charging 25%+(potentially more in retaliatory) tariffs.
ClevelandDawg0905@reddit
I was referring to large amount of food that Canada eats is from the US.
Checks notes, well good luck of relying on EU and having your goods travel additional 3,500+ miles.
mku7tr4@reddit
Were you? Because you said pork…
Still cheaper than buying American shit
ClevelandDawg0905@reddit
Lol Canada been eating American food for centuries
ACoderGirl@reddit
You're right about one thing, and it's that we got too close to the US. We made the mistake of assuming the US would always be our friend, so we could depend highly on trade with them. The reality is that the US are backstabbing assholes who make poor friends.
We'll have to likely suffer through some hard times until we can strengthen our relationship to the rest of the world. Thankfully, it seems the US is alienating everyone, so everyone else has stronger reasons to work together.
It is weird watching the US fall from grace. I honestly assumed it'd be the same superpower all my life and now I'm not sure it will even exist all my life.
Aizen_Myo@reddit
Why was it national news then if MAGA doesn't care at all?
ClevelandDawg0905@reddit
Cause it drove anti-Trump clicks. Please tell me where you rank hockey in American culture if you disagree.
SnooBananas216@reddit
20-25% of the country are hockey fans, yet you feel so sure in your argument.
Blind loyalty to leader, us vs them, reality denial and rewriting facts... you're in a cult
ClevelandDawg0905@reddit
So you agree it doesn't really matter to your average American and it's in a small niche?
Thanks for proving my point.
SnooBananas216@reddit
Quarter of country is NOT a small niche. That's wild.
Thanks for proving you are indeed cult brained. Here is a resource for whenever your ready to leave: https://freedomofmind.com/
ClevelandDawg0905@reddit
A quarter is a minority.
SnooBananas216@reddit
Less than 50% is minority... sure. But you said niche. Delete this comment. you're out of control
ClevelandDawg0905@reddit
That is a small niche. Look at ESPN and the traffic it produces. Exactly how much of is hockey focus? It's a small niche. CFB, NFL, MLB, NBA. Like the Dayton 500 has better ratings.
Hockey just isn't that popular in the States. Canada for sure.
SnooBananas216@reddit
Who defines 25% as niche? But you even said "small", niche. Just stop
ClevelandDawg0905@reddit
Where would you rank hockey in term of American entertainment?
SnooBananas216@reddit
Enough of the US population are hockey fans (25%) for booing the national to make national news. It's unhinged of you to claim it was just for anti Trump clicks.
ClevelandDawg0905@reddit
Are you familiar with Colin Kaepernick? Like disrespecting the US national anthem was a big deal in 2016 but now it's whatever. Majority of Americans didn't watch it. Like the ratings was 9.3 million which isn't great for a national audience.
phantapuss@reddit
Well this is very interesting, because I looked up American sports by peak viewership since 2010 and lo and behold look who's in at number two. Ice hockey. Number two with 44 million after football ahead of baseball and basketball. Weird seeing as American don't care about it at all.
ClevelandDawg0905@reddit
Most popular sports in the United States -
I mean you are wrong.
phantapuss@reddit
I am not wrong you dribbling fucking sandwich. I gave you numbers, years and figures. Absolutely go do one you total fucking moron.
ToranjaNuclear@reddit
Suuuuure, the country that spent a decade razing another because of a single terrorist attack wouldn't bat an eye at a direct threat from a neighbour.
ClevelandDawg0905@reddit
Trump response to 9/11 was that nation building was never going to work and that the US should go in and kill people that were responsible and leave. It was Bush and Obama that thought nation building was the tactic to chose.
Trump is a realistic. He's actually pretty refreshing. Obama 'won' the Nobel Peace Prize yet spent every day of his two term administration at war.
ToranjaNuclear@reddit
I don't get which part of pissing off all your allies with an asinine trade war you find realistic and refreshing but alright.
eightNote@reddit
not about whether the US is a country though
Lotus_Moon@reddit
theres a difference between normal people talking shit, and a Politician or even worse A president of the country openly writing it on a platform for all to see
ClevelandDawg0905@reddit
Not really. I saw numerous of the same reaction when he was first President. You are choosing to engage the troll.
blackheartwhiterose@reddit
You guys elected the troll.
Lotus_Moon@reddit
I mean yeah by him, trolling is not an excuse for someone in his position, might be fun towards dictators but towards “friendly” nations, just makes him a joke
Imagine if other politicians tweeted “Dictator Trump” when addressing him, he would threaten war
ClevelandDawg0905@reddit
Bro Trump hosted his own comedy roast The Harshest Burns from the Roast of Donald Trump 🔥
Like Trump says things. Like if you want to get butt hurt from it, that is on you. I like to think the internet works in Winnipeg but I have a quality life so I never went there.
Trump doesn't give two fucks. Like Rubio made a dick joke about him and now serving as his Secretary of State. Like you are addicted to the outage.
Lotus_Moon@reddit
Yeah and as the president he should have some class and act accordingly , hence the point, acting like a moron all the time doesn’t make it right.
Weird people try making an excuse for it and normalise idiotic actions
ClevelandDawg0905@reddit
Interesting point of view. Trump is American citizen, he's free to act according to his wishes. He CAN act like a moron. That is what freedom and free will fundamentally meaning. The ability to create one's own mistake. Trump is great because he's adaptable. He doesn't fall into the trap of ritual or decor. He can work with democracy like Japan, or he can work with dictatorship like Putin. Putting American interest above all else is refreshing.
I just think it's strange. Like you think Trump is a God or something. Trump is literally the most forgiving man I ever seen in politics. Name me another politician to make a dick joke and be totally forgiven and even rewarded.
Lotus_Moon@reddit
Being able to do something and doing something that is not right are two different things, its not really my place to comment on each and every one of his policies, i like some, i dont mind some and others i think are horrible, that will be on American Public to judge when the time comes.
Though disagree on you saying he can work with democracy and dictatorship etc, during his first term i could see an argument for that and agree to a degree, this time though thus far he is having horrid foreign relations other than with Putin and to the outside view he is just playing into russian propaganda and doing putins bidding, seems to forget historical facts quite often, making horrid choices when it comes to foreign relations and thus far seems domestically also but those dont affect me so i dont really care about those.
Either way he would be respected a lot more if he showed some dignity on social media at the very least in my eyes.
eightNote@reddit
no, hes saying exactly the things putin did about ukraine before invading.
the intention is invasion
tastytacos42@reddit
Trump called the US-Canada border an "artificially drawn line." Trump also told Trudeau that he does not think the 1908 treaty that demarcates the US-Canada border is valid and he wants to revise the boundaries.
cultish_alibi@reddit
That's cute that you think what he says has any value at all. The man is a chronic liar. You'd have to be really gullible to believe anything he says.
Malbuscus96@reddit
People like you sanewashing his autocratic, imperialist desires are destroying our country
-Ikosan-@reddit
Sure trump should never be accountable for his words, or his actions. What he said he didn't mean and that thing he did? Well it was all someone else right up until the minute he can change the law and say it was him all along.
tatojah@reddit
You're sanewashing him. Don't "what he meant was".
My man referred to Canada as the 51st state. No one gives a shit where he got the idea that Canadians would want it. Assume he pulled it out of his ass. He pulled the election denial out of his ass too. He pulled "But the VP can refuse to certify" out of his ass. He tried following through. He's dangerous and it's time people take his bullshit seriously.
PorousSurface@reddit
He said he would economic force. Like those are his words. He did seemingly rule out military…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXRFB6t5xJQ
Using force of any kind to make a country join you is not gonna go over well
Dont_touch_my_spunk@reddit
Cool. Then make it crystal clear instead of dancing around the question like a teenage girl being asked who she has a crush on.
GovernmentEvening768@reddit
Gonna happen anyways when America needs that sweet water later
BrainEatingAmoeba01@reddit
He's currently pissing all over signed agreements. That's not currently an option.
AramushaIsLove@reddit
But doesn't annexing solve this problem too for the US? If they annex canada and canada becomes part of us, that part of us can't tariff the us.
sparklyjesus@reddit
"They can't kill me if I'm already dead!"
lucidum@reddit
Healthcare, safe schools, and Robin Hood taxation, are freedoms we Canadians will fight to the death for.
fungus_bunghole@reddit
With what weapons?
ScaryShadowx@reddit
Canada has the 7th highest gun ownership rate along with a modern army who's weapons would find their way into the arms of insurgency forces. It would make American deaths during Vietnam look like a fun little picnic.
BaguetteFetish@reddit
This is hilarious copium I'm sorry and I say this as a Canadian
The Canadian army is a "modern army" in the same way a drunk redneck with a sawn off and gout is a special forces operator.
And the average Canadian posting about fighting occupation has never held a gun in their life because guns scary and mean :(
ScaryShadowx@reddit
Afghanistan had a way less capable military technology and was able to continuously harm coalition forces. The times when the US were able to gain the upper hand easily was when they had relatively good support on the ground from the locals, or where the existing populace was already divided and unmotivated, something very unlikely to happen in Canada.
Most Ukrainians have never held a gun in their lives before the current invasion, most Americans didn't fight in a war before WW2, most Europeans didn't experience trench warfare before WW1. People are incredibly good at adapting and learning.
BaguetteFetish@reddit
The Ukrainians were armed, trained and taught for over a decade by the strongest military force the world has ever seen with staye of the art weaponry. They also come from a very different and more resilient culture than modern western societies specifically because they've known actual authoritarianism before.
If you truly think that the people most vocal for fighting Americans are hardened guerillas and not suburban/urban people who will melt down after one day without their modern comforts i dont know what to sell you.
Martiantripod@reddit
There's still a lot of guns in Canada. Not as many as the US but Canadians are like 4th largest gun owning country per capita or something.
fungus_bunghole@reddit
Liberals will ban anything semi auto. Oh well, elbows up eh.
Kizik@reddit
"The far right American government keeps threatening to annex our country. Fucking liberals!"
fungus_bunghole@reddit
I hate them both.
Cinnabar_Cinnamon@reddit
Bitch better look up thanks to who the Geneva conventions had to be written.
lucidum@reddit
What an insurgency starts with vs what it ends with are very different so hard to say
beershere@reddit
The ones being smuggled over the border from the US?
cgaWolf@reddit
Says who?
Will be enforced by who?
AramushaIsLove@reddit
Did you even read what I wrote?
Part of the US cannot tariff the US, what the...
JMaddrox@reddit
We will burn it to the ground for Yankees to sift through the ashes before we let them have it. Fuck America 🖕
AramushaIsLove@reddit
Hey man feel free to burn everything down, you won't even nick your own skin for a tiny bit. Everyone is a tough guy until they bleed even a tiny bit.
FastFooer@reddit
So giving the right to bare arms to 30+ million pissed off people? That will be fun.
mandeltonkacreme@reddit
I wouldn't expect equal rights :|
cultish_alibi@reddit
Sure but then the rest of the world (except Russia) sanctions the US and refuses to do trade with them.
banjosuicide@reddit
Hey, they can also solve their farm labour shortage with us as well. Declare us a security threat, put us in camps, and let us out to work their fields!
(farm) Service Guarantees Citizenship!
CosmackMagus@reddit
Sure, but then the US has a different problem.
Statharas@reddit
Yeah, like a signed document will matter with this administration
on_the_rark@reddit
Do you support 100% free trade? Or. Removal of all tariffs (old and new)
tastytacos42@reddit
Yep. All talks of annexing us, calling the prime minister and governor, or messing with our borders needs to stop immediately.
loki1337@reddit
Can you guys annex Cascadia please? I'd like to be part of a province rather than the current US administration...
Conscious_Gazelle_87@reddit
Then remove the tariffs you have and have had on our products.
Free trade means free trade
Zealousideal_Slip423@reddit
There are things that need tariff in order to safeguard national security sectors. We can't do free trade with dairy, the US would kill the entire industry in a month and probably american interest would buy the farms for pennies. Now more than ever it makes sense to have these tariffs in place and make sure we keep those industries going here.
Also the US milk is terrible and doesn't come in bags so yeah...
Dont_touch_my_spunk@reddit
Different regulations for how milk is produced and raises the potential for health risks for Canadians. Since we all pay for healthcare it is in our best interest to not strain it as much as possible.
eightNote@reddit
canada has the milk board instead of government subsidies. we pay more for the product, but its clear in the price for dairy purchasers rather than hidden in taxes. dairy farmers need that high cost or subsidies to stay in business. the US chooses subsidies
Zealousideal_Slip423@reddit
Now more than ever since they are cutting regulations with a chainsaw.
wolowbolob@reddit
You do understand canada put tariffs on the us because the us started right.
Conscious_Gazelle_87@reddit
Canada has had immense tariffs on several US industries mainly agriculture and lumber for decades. Not covered in USMCA.
eightNote@reddit
first, emd your subsidies for those.
stuugie@reddit
Yeah I don't want my local staple food suppliers to all be put out of business due to american competition. That gives america the power to disrupt our food supply dramatically if they so choose.
GolDAsce@reddit
Stop subsidizing those industries, raise standards and we'll talk.
explicitspirit@reddit
There is a reason for those, firstly, and secondly, these were negotiated by Trump himself. So your excuse is complete garbage.
If Trump has an issue with those, he clearly didn't put any effort towards that when he negotiated USMCA.
ABadlyDrawnCoke@reddit
That's for the same reason the EU doesn't buy US products; terrible regulations that don't meet our health standards. So if you want our market stop trying to sell us such shitty products.
Zealousideal_Slip423@reddit
REEEEEE
Dont_touch_my_spunk@reddit
Just copy pasting this from the comments in the post to the same argument: "That list is at least 50% inaccurate. The reality is 97% of US goods enter Canada with 0% tariffs. The remaining 3% are TRQs (tariff-rate quotas) accepted in the USMCA by Trump himself who declared it the best trade deal in the history of the USA when he signed it."
Parking_Media@reddit
Tell me you don't understand without telling me.
Dont_touch_my_spunk@reddit
I assume he is talking about tariffs enacted before the current presidency took office.
umpteenthrhyme@reddit
You mean the ones he agreed to in CAMUS?
Soepkip43@reddit
No, free trade still has rules and these sometimes protect certain domestic sectors from foreign influence. That is why you negotiate free trade agreements, to cover as much products as both countries are comfortable with. It does not mean "anything goes".
The US has a long long list of protectionist measures on the books, to state the obvious "the buy American act" excludes foreign sellers from the biggest single client in the world.. the us government.
boringhistoryfan@reddit
I imagine they'll do that when the US ditches it's gargantuan subsidies for agriculture and dairy. You know... Instead of threatening to annex the country because they elected a mentally ill rapist.
OkInterest3109@reddit
You say that like any agreement, signed or otherwise, is worth anything in current US administration.
Responsible-Laugh590@reddit
Yup orange mango is a slippery snake
Masark@reddit
/r/sneks demands you cease your libel.
ExtensionEconomy9004@reddit
Can I ask something real quick? Is that even a good idea?
Like, I don't know much about Canada-US trading but I hardly see how the situation can be more damaging for the US than it is for Canada. Feel free to enlighten me if I'm wrong.
DarklyAdonic@reddit
No. American imports/exports are 30% of Canadian GDP. America's economy is 10 times larger, so it's only 3% of that. Trade wars hurt everyone, but every slap back Canada does is gonna hurt them proportionally way more. For scale, the Great Depression resulted in a decrease of slightly less than 30% of GDP.
To me, realpolitik dictates that Canada will have to cave or will face economic catastrophe (on top of their current economic woes).
Both Biden and Trump admins stated Canada and Mexico served as back door for Chinese goods to circumvent tariffs. I would guess appeasing Trump would involve blanket tariffs on China in exchange for lowered/reduced US tariffs.
ycnz@reddit
You're assuming that Canadians want their politicians to appease Trump in exchange for money. Thus far, they look an awful lot like they're rather tear his head off and shit down his windpipe.
The big issue for the US, is that every trade partner they have right now is putting "America are fucking deranged" at the top of their risk register, and are working in ways to trade with people who aren't actual Nazis.
DarklyAdonic@reddit
You are correct in that public sentiment probably will be the biggest obstacle to a deal. But Canada is so economically dependent that options are limited. Sure, they could do massive deficit spending to keep the economy on life support and hope it's just 4 years, but that is incredibly risky considering the inflationary geopolitical backdrop of increasing conflict and defense spending in Europe
ycnz@reddit
There are other trading partners out there. The US demonstrating its insanity should hopefully prompt more free trade agreements with Europe etc... - and China are always willing to deal. NZ's trade volume w/China went from 5% to 27% after we signed an FTA with them.
Deccarrin@reddit
Here's the problem. America only has leverage if the rest of the world keeps trading with them.
This isolationist approach to international affairs is going to tank your economy so hard that Canada does have leverage.
You're the next Russia, an isolated Oligarchal mess of what was once a world power.
eightNote@reddit
its a big number on trade that the comservative parts of the US are not excited to attack - oil.
alberta wont be happy, but can be assuaged with pipelines, and canada's consensus opinion is that oil has to end anyways. the albertan complaint has always been that we dont properly benefit from that oil, too. who makes the big money from canadian oil exports? american companies. it might be called canadian but canada gets peanuts on the barrel when push comes to shove
banjosuicide@reddit
Unlike donald's tariffs, Canada's tariffs are targeted to apply political pressure. They target red states specifically, causing loss of business/jobs to those who support trump (and those who gop politicians will listen to).
sharp11flat13@reddit
That’s how we started. But we’re expanding now. Just today, for example, BC announced they were pulling all American products from their shelves whereas initially it was only bourbon and other red state products. And Ontario imposed a 25% export tax on electricity. They sell to mostly blue states.
banjosuicide@reddit
I'm talking about the federal tariffs, not the provincial ban on imports. The tariffs remain focused on red states (for now at least)
Hmm354@reddit
I think the idea is that Canada's relationship with the US has been almost irreversibly fractured.
The US may have more leverage, but Canadians want to diversify our trade away from the Americans and form closer ties with other countries. We have plenty of resources and talent in our country that can be used domestically and internationally - it will just take time to transition away from the US.
For Canada, this is a matter of sovereignty and fighting for the very existence of our nation amid annexation threats. We will be fine long term and we are willing to take a hit short term to not become the 51st state.
nem086@reddit
Except that the US will always be their biggest export. Yeah they can diversify but transport expenses will still make things hurt profits, while a population of 350 million sits right over the border. The US will always be the main export.
Hmm354@reddit
This is the reason why Canada has been so intertwined with the American economy.
But for national security reasons, it's simply not an option anymore. It's either: diversify or face the threat of annexation.
Soepkip43@reddit
The US has a massive import of oil from Canada.. like 60pct of the total imports. And the refineries that process it in the US are set for sour crude from Canada. So if the US wants to hurt themselves.
Meanwhile crude is easily shipped elsewhere, and both China and the EU will happily purchase it. It will be more expensive to ship than to pump it through a pipeline.. but Trump is really fucking with Canada on an unacceptable level.
DarklyAdonic@reddit
You can easily ship crude, but processing sour crude requires a special refinery setup. Gonna take years to find a new market
Soepkip43@reddit
Or they expand their own operations and bring it to market themselves. But AFAIK there are refineries in Rotterdam and the UK as well as in china that handle sour crude as well.
eightNote@reddit
canadian oil is not easily shipped.
canada has been very against building new pipelines of any kind, so the exports only have easy access to texas. everything else would be 30+ years away
Zealousideal_Slip423@reddit
Les US importe des matériaux dont ils ne peuvent pas se passer ou facilement faire eux même (aluminium, potash, uranium, électricité pas chère, pétrole brut)
Ce sont des éléments clés pour leurs industries. C'est certain que ça va faire du grand mal aux deux économies et que les US sont plus gros et puissant économiquement. Par contre nous avons plus de facilité à couper les choses qu'on importe des US que l'inverse.
Le pari est aussi qu'en ce moment le Canada a un gros sentiment d'unité. Chose que les Américains n'ont pas, l'économie qui prend la déroute va faire très mal a Trump politiquement.
eightNote@reddit
they could make aluminum, electricity, and oil just fine. it would take some investment to set up, but its not like it would be hard just that it wouldnt take advantage of existing overbuilt infrastructure
potash is the big one, but im not sure if the US has big uranium depostis. cansdian unity might depend solely on sask playing ball, being both thr potash and uranium central
that said, i am excired and bullish on canada's future
murphymc@reddit
We can grow a shitton of food in the states. An absolutely insane amount. Enough to completely ruin farmers the world over if we really wanted to.
But we need fertilizer to do that, fertilizer we are wholly dependent on Canada for. The same can be said for a variety of minerals, lumber, and advanced manufacturing.
This has never been a problem because up until 3 fucking months ago Canada was our brother nation.
eightNote@reddit
this is revisionist. america has been breaking agreements about lumber for as long as there have been agreements about lumber
icyserene@reddit
They’re trying to attack the business of Republican states specifically with tariffs on items they can easily substitute in Canada (eg trying to hurt Kentucky’s alcohol)
sharp11flat13@reddit
That’s where it started. We’re expanding now.
sharp11flat13@reddit
Actually, I think both are true, in different time frames. Over the short term, we (Canada) will likely hurt more, although we’re expecting it and are much more prepared to fight this trade war than Americans.
In the longer term we will develop new markets and the US will be forced to turn to more expensive alternatives farther away. And they aren’t exactly sending reassuring messages to other countries that might think about making a trade deal with them.
Just my opinion though. I have no formal education in this area.
Parking_Media@reddit
Of course it's a bad idea. This whole thing is aggravated stupidity.
When your friends and neighbours elect a leader who goes on tv and talks about annexing your country and slaps random tarrifs on your exports to them with the intention of disrupting your economy, what choice do you have? Roll over?
Little-Course-4394@reddit
The most disappointing in this is not that the orange deranged clown/russian asset said that.
It’s the fact that his fanbase, MAGA lapping it up with cheers!
This is what I find the most disturbing
From_Deep_Space@reddit
what really gets me is that MAGA is now claiming a "mandate" for shit that wasn't mentioned at all during the campaign. What happened to the hyperfocus on bringing down grocery prices?
murphymc@reddit
Completely forgotten! Stop complaining about eggs! It’s time to get excited about the Trump Gaza fever dream.
AVonGauss@reddit
“MAGA” generally hates the idea of “annexing” Canada…
Aizen_Myo@reddit
Yet they cheered Trump on when he said so and are still not trying to tone him down at all
polymute@reddit (OP)
Social media needs to be civilized.
Xwitter, Facebook and TikTok are the worst IMO but all centralized/for profit platforms are weapons of mass destruction and slot machines combined aimed at our brains.
Social media should be handled like the infrastructural service it has become.
ToranjaNuclear@reddit
Tit for tat is the only language the idiots running the US might understand. And even then I bet they'll just turn it into a "canada bad" narrative.
Of course the US economy can probably tank way more damage than Canada.
Can't say the same for its citizens, though.
HOLEPUNCHYOUREYELIDS@reddit
Canada also supplies the USA with significant amounts of valuable and critical materials/resources. On top of that we often sell to them for pretty sweetheart deals compared to anywhere else. 70% of imported Potash for the US is from Canada, that is an incredibly important fertilizer for agriculture. Canada supplies tons of lumber, aluminum, sour crude oil, electricity/power, and so on.
Yes their economy can weather much more than ours. But we can still hurt them in very painful areas that could be felt by lots of people in lots of states. Especially when America is trying to start trade wars with multiple major allies
BuvantduPotatoSpirit@reddit
Tariffs are more damaging for Canada than the US, probably yes. But there's more at stake for Canada, so it's worth a higher price.
The Vietnam war was way more damaging for Vietnam than for the US, right? But they still thought it was a good idea to fight it.
AVonGauss@reddit
The United States has way more leverage than Canada, that could change as Canada adjusts trade. Mexico actually has much more leverage than Canada, but after the initial public spats appears to be using a different strategy.
Zealousideal_Slip423@reddit
Mexico has no leverage because their entire economy is meshed with the us
AVonGauss@reddit
You’re arguing a different point, Mexico has far more economic leverage over the United States and its not even close.
Zealousideal_Slip423@reddit
You are right if we look at the GDP, population however, they are stuck between a wall and a hard place, they have less options and trade agreements to divert their exports to. I believe this is why we've seen a more moderate approach on their part.
WorldFrees@reddit
Has the US collected any tariffs yet or is this really all bluster. Other than cancelled contracts, I haven't heard of any tariffs being charged. Has anyone been directly effected?
WorldFrees@reddit
I've no idea why asking a question is down-voted. Trump talks a lot of shit but barely ever delivers. He's threatened Canada 2,3 times (maybe more?) and keeps walking his threats back probably because of domestic opposition to it.
America voted for the guy who said he'd be tough but he's just some rich twat with a megaphone. And not one person gave me an example of these new tariffs in action collecting anything.
BuvantduPotatoSpirit@reddit
Tariffs are in force - the Americans "delayed" about a third of their planned tariffs, but the other two thirds are happening.
WorldFrees@reddit
Who's collecting how much from who? Bluster-in-chief
b14ck_jackal@reddit
Customs, tariff are basically a tax.
Soepkip43@reddit
Nope, trump backed down.. again.
Aggressive-Map-2204@reddit
No, he backed down on some of the tariffs. The majority are still in place.
Little-Course-4394@reddit
Why would the lives of hundreds of millions to depend on some deranged demented orange clown
PerunVult@reddit
I'm slightly confused, probably because this deluge of orange lies, tangerine insanity and spraytan mental diarrhea makes it hard to keep track of events.
Did mango mussolini actually tariff imports from Canada or not? If yes, what did he tariff so far?
kindablackishpanther@reddit
Some imports ara tarrifed. He delayed some American tarrifs because he thought Canada wouldn't respond in kind and accept the the offramp. Instead, electricy rates from Ontario got hiked and more American goods have been getting taken off of shelves and their orders canceled.
https://financialpost.com/news/trump-tariff-war-latest-developments-canada
There's some tarrifs in place, he promises the full set will come later but we will see. They will change their positions and make more insane demands before then anyways.
They don't have any adults in the room who have a plan on where this is going, it just escalates because they can't back down.
eightNote@reddit
i dont think thats the case. instead, US automakers will have complained about their current contracts
PerunVult@reddit
Thanks.
WorldFrees@reddit
How much? I haven't heard of any actual impact. Drumpf is a little whiney witch of no carry through, he seems scared to do what he said he would, what a total waste of space and air.
Lotus_Moon@reddit
Make them say "Thank you"
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