Anon on politics in games.
Posted by Bernie529@reddit | 4chan | View on Reddit | 325 comments
Posted by Bernie529@reddit | 4chan | View on Reddit | 325 comments
doctorscurvy@reddit
I hated that game well before it got to any gender politics because it has turn-based conversations where it was clear that each voice actor said all of their lines at once and programmers pieced together dialog later. Utterly lifeless.
Darkblue57@reddit
That's pretty much every RPG ever made to be fair.
Pakushy@reddit
Fallout 1 and 2 had all their dialogue choices voiceacted individually. Then Bethesda bought the IP and they started putting as much effort into the voiceacting as they do with the QA testing.
oeCake@reddit
Not at all its just the Bethesda method
ExtremeCreamTeam@reddit
Wrong.
Mama_Mega@reddit
The best part of Sons of Liberty is all the morons who walked away from it not realizing they're siding with the villains.
Kojima: The free flow of information that the internet provides is the single greatest threat to tyranny in human history. Your overlords will use the boogeyman of "misinformation" to fearmonger you into letting them control and censor the internet.
Reddit somehow: Wow, misinformation is a huge problem. We need to let our overlords censor the internet to protect us!
ThePlacidAcid@reddit
Do you genuinely believe that internet censorship is currently a bigger issue than misinformation? It's piss easy to find a wealth of information about even the most suppressed political opinions.
On the other hand, misinformation has gotten so bad that the president of the united states of America claimed that immigrants were eating dogs. Internet misinformation led to fuckin race riots in the UK ! Misinformation, ai slop, and targeted propaganda is a way bigger problem than censorship right now.
Despite the massive amounts of misinformation right now, it's actually very easy to find out whether a claim is evidenced or not, (as the internet is very uncensored). This means it's easy to know when someone is intentionally spreading misinformation in order to further political goals or increase racial tensions. The fact that this is happening, means it is a problem that needs to be addressed.
Personally I kinda think we're in too deep and no amount of fact checkers can help us escape from the post truth world we've entered. But to sit there and claim that fact checkers are somehow an issue, given that internet misinformation is having real world consequences and is shaping elections is crazy
wilhelm-moan@reddit
Who are the fact checkers, in your comment?
Angus_Fraser@reddit
The people that say men CAN get pregnant
ThePlacidAcid@reddit
How do you define a man?
wilhelm-moan@reddit
Whether they can or not I’m still gonna try on his dad
ThePlacidAcid@reddit
Yeah this is what makes it difficult because fact checkers are also pushing an agenda. It's almost a bigger issue that lies are spread by organisations that claim to be impartial.
That being said, it is incredibly easy to find out whether something is true or not, provided someone has the skills to research effectively and evaluate sources. I think that the ability to read and evaluate studies should be taught to everyone in school, and that info on social media should largely be interpreted as bullshit.
It's older generations who aren't as good at using computers and knowing which sources are dubious that struggle the most with this. Despite this I still think the main focus should be on teaching people the skills they need to do independent research.
In terms of more authoritarian measures, I do believe that spreading false information to manipulate people should have consequences, especially if you have an audience. In this case, what constitutes intentionally spreading falsehood should be determined by the courts. We simply cannot allow people with the money and influence to reach millions to spread lies like we do. This shit has led to actual race riots.
Mama_Mega@reddit
The completely "un"biased professionals who declare that the truth just so happens to align with my views, chud!
Takseen@reddit
Never played that one, but I always resonated with a quote from Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri, of all things.
“Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master.”
― Pravin Lal
Mama_Mega@reddit
Is Sid Meier even still alive? Or is it a Tom Clancy thing, where they keep putting a dead man's name on games he wasn't even there to help make?
Legend13CNS@reddit
Yes he is, Sid is currently 71 and afaik still works on the games in some capacity.
edbods@reddit
damn, he's aged quite well
Angus_Fraser@reddit
Ever heard of Madden?
thotpatrolactual@reddit
He's credited as a creative director in Civ 7.
kookieman141@reddit
Tom Clancy’s Civilisation series is phenomenal
WisherWisp@reddit
One of the best quotes in the game. I remembered it 'in his mind' though. Might have been misquoting all these years.
TomtheWonderDog@reddit
Very appropriate that solid philosophy in the modern age comes from a video game NPC.
AudeDeficere@reddit
Perhaps one ought to look deeper into the already included statement that the overlords can use this "single greatest threat to tyranny" to a great effect.
Take the current world. Russian propaganda in every pocket, every screen of the western world and it works. They are not exactly winning everything but what they have achieved so far is astonishing.
The uncensored internet is anarchy. And in anarchy, the weak often loose. We haven’t even seen the full effects of longterm AI driven campaigns.
Misinformation is destroying us. Censorship isn’t an either or, while it can be a sledgehammer destroying any freedom of expression, it can just as easily be a scalpel you can use to cut out cancerous cells.
Extremists always think in absolutes. Either you have all freedom or no freedom sounds very dramatic but it doesn’t hold. In reality, you can oppress hostile propaganda without creating some kind of overall oppressive state. Nuance is possible.
-Goatllama-@reddit
I watched someone stream it recently and chat asked "would you rather have what we have now or the Patriots"
Streamer's response: "What do you mean? We have the Patriots."
Chilling shit
Oxidized_Shackles@reddit
Was just ~~arguing with~~ name calling a retarded redditor who thinks it's a good idea for the gov't to control the internet.
These people are real and they don't critically think about a single thought that passes through their head. All they know is "Ban whatever I say is bad"
heliamphore@reddit
If it's said so in a game it means it's real and you can't disagree or you're dumb.
Mama_Mega@reddit
Found the authoritarian
heliamphore@reddit
Wait, you actually think you have a free flow of information on the modern internet? hahahahhaa fuck man you're a dumbass.
The game came out in 2001, things were very different back then. They didn't anticipate that your "free flow of information" would turn into curated globohomo corpo garbage, AI slop and foreign authoritarian propaganda.
Did you even use the internet 15+ years ago?
simism@reddit
Politics in games is good, as long as everyone is free to make games to express their views.
EasySlideTampax@reddit
Spy thriller vs mental illness
fig_art@reddit
legit the difference is identity politics are boring
CelebrationWilling61@reddit
A diversion from the real issues at hand.
xelleseittaneu@reddit
"Trans right are a diversion from the real issues! We need to stop being hateful, accept these people as part of a society and move on!"
"Trans rights are a diversion from the real issues! We need to stop encouraging mental illness as normal and move on!"
fig_art@reddit
whether people laugh AT or WITH identity people, it keeps common folk at eachother’s throats.
Original-Campaign-52@reddit
Mental illness? Looking at your prior comments, even without sorting by controversial, is quite revealing of your mental state.
Weird how someone can hate gays and also love choking on putin dick.
justsomepaladin@reddit
Someone post the stats
Original-Campaign-52@reddit
Im well aware of the high rate of closeted homosexuals who hold conservative views. Happy to learn something new if people can provide sources of reliable information. Oh, right.
vmpafq@reddit
So gay people are the bigots is what you're telling me
Dissy-@reddit
They only think this is an own because they think Republicans hate gays, but they clearly don't if they're always fraternizing with these other gays.
The difference between Republican gays and Democrat gays is whether or not they watch actual slop like rupals drag race
justsomepaladin@reddit
Ur mom gae
stoymyboy@reddit
looking at people's comment/post history means you automatically lose the argument. YWNBAW
Original-Campaign-52@reddit
There was no argument to begin with. He made a baseless claim that equated gender identity to mental illness, I simply pointed out that it wasn't the first time he parroted Putins propaganda. Its fine if you disagree, but don't think that ignorance is as good as intelligence. In your echo chamber you may feel emboldened, but in the real world you're still an uneducated loser who fell for it again.
AntDracula@reddit
Go back
Original-Campaign-52@reddit
I went back and saw him accusing zelensky of being a dictator and claiming that Russia didn't actually invade Ukraine. Specifically what do u want me to look for
Jrrii@reddit
Who pissed in your cheerios?
Original-Campaign-52@reddit
I support minority groups who are actively being oppressed and demonized by uneducated degenerates who don't care about facts.
Shinteru14@reddit
You're the only based person I saw in the comments. I guess some people want lgbt characters to not be shown in videogames. There is a name for that : "political censorship"
Ihatememorising@reddit
We have had tons of games with LGBTQ+ characters before. They weren't written like garbage by incompetent hacks who think they can hide behind that banner to deflect criticism.
Shinteru14@reddit
I would agree if it was really abouy the writing, but it never is. Everytime I see a post like this it's always about a lgbt character or a black one or a female, without any context about if the character is well written or not
Ihatememorising@reddit
It's called pattern recognition. If a game starring a minority / LGBTQ+ characters were written like ass, and the incompetent hacks amplifies the discourse by calling us (insert slur here) to deflect criticism in the name said banner. The sane ally of these people will be assumed to be complicit when they stay silent. Just like how driving your company's van to a strip club may get you a tea session with HR.
I'm not terminally online, so most posts I saw are talking shit about Veilguard, forspoken, unknown 9, dustborn, concord. Aka shitty games made by incompetent hacks.
Shinteru14@reddit
Concord, forspoken and Veilguard suffered real issues that would have made gamers angry without minority characters, but tbh there has been the same kind of mess with kingdom come lately or even the last of us 2, while we know that those are recognised as great games. Good for u if you don't dislike those games because of minority characters but lots of people (including in the comments of this post) think otherwise.
If some people call you slur because you dislike a game for legit reasons then these people are dumb but if you dislike a game only because of a minority character or smth like that, then guess who's obsessed with politics
Ihatememorising@reddit
That is the thing, you call the Devs out on these real issues, and they call us homo/transphobic, nazi, bigot, misogynistic, etc. They are the ones that bring those topics into the discussion and told us they represent (insert minority group here).
They started this fight against people who were brought up in CoD/halo lobbies and learned trolling even further in 4chan (here we are), you seriously think most of the people spewing saying that game sucks coz there are minorities aren't trolling?
Shinteru14@reddit
Ofc they aren't trolling, whole channels like Asmongold and lots of people on Reddit or X are complaining about it daily. You can't overlook literal hate by saying that "it's just trolling". And no, no one will call you slur if you point out real issues about those games. In fact I saw lots of videos about those games you said before, no one complains in the comments. I agree that certain extrem people can create the same kind of mess on the left side (like with Hogwarts Legacy's boycott, which was dumb af), but it just means both sides are dumb, which doesn't change anything
Ihatememorising@reddit
I watch asmongold. And no he never say the game sucks due to minorities. His point was always incompetent hacks hijacking games to push their political agenda in the expanse of gameplay and writing. Same with Reddit and X. Games journalists are the ones throwing the punches and everything has to relate to gender politics for some reason.
The common consensus has always been shitty Devs hiding behind the minority banner deflecting criticism and bringing race/sexuality into the discussion. You would know if you actually engage in these discussions instead of being stuck in the echo chamber where a game failing is always due to the bigots, racists, and the phobics.
Go watch legendary drops, Yong yea and Sungrand Studios. They document the antics of games journalists, companies and game Devs using DEI as an excuse to deflect criticisms respectively.
Shinteru14@reddit
Asmongold has created his own echo chamber for people like you believing DEI is ruining anything, and everything became woke all of a sudden.
"The common consensus" no. The real consensus is that videogames are ruined by the company's bosses who would think about their investors rather than real game quality, and then would fire talented devs to replace them with new ones, cheaper and easier to modulate as they want to create soulless games. No, I don't think phobics are ruining anything, I'm just pointing out how dumb it is to be stuck on a theoritical political aspect of a game where there may be none.
I'll watch them, I like seeing dumb people tryna deflect criticism. But then try to get some info on the real issue that's making games go backwards in terms of technology and soul. For that, I respect Asmongold for talking about it on this channel recently (with Avowed), for once he didn't talk about how pink hair characters made the game bad
Ihatememorising@reddit
Nope I do not believe that and stop putting words in my mouth u nincompoop. My point has and aylways been incompetent Devs who can't take criticism getting hired and promoted to positions of power by out of touch bosses. This has absolutely 0 to do with minorities or DEI who are competent at their jobs like the ones in owlcat, larian, DE, CDPR, etc.
This isn't the sole bloody reason it failed FFS. It is the combination of the out of touch bosses and incompetent Devs who can't take criticism that has led to a ton of AAA failures. Concord and Veilguard development hell is due to toxic positivity where any criticism is met with ostracization by the dev leads + public behaviour of Devs, do you seriously think that the Devs hold 0 responsibility to the game they produce?
Also I like Avowed. I think it is an OK game like every single review I saw, not one review I saw say it was a bad game. The only criticism I have is that it should not have cost 100 bucks (where I live).
And I just realised we have the same opinion. Why tf are we arguing agn?
Jrrii@reddit
It's weird isn't it
Usually they "censor" themselves
EasySlideTampax@reddit
My guy I just want a fun game. Spare me the political drivel and identity politics otherwise I’ll just start another MGS2 playthrough. Daddy Blackrock can only keep your DEI company afloat for so long.
Jrrii@reddit
I say oppress them a little more
busterBeamCannon@reddit
Double it and give it to the next queer lmao
AntDracula@reddit
I legit can't tell if he's baiting or just a normie redditor trying to infiltrate this place.
busterBeamCannon@reddit
He’s just a typical bleeding heart plebbitor lol
JaneksLittleBlackBox@reddit
Writes the 12-year-old too scared of 4chan on Reddit.
MrDaburks@reddit
Wpt got banned so they’re trying to metastasize
AntDracula@reddit
Oh shit you're right
StopCallinMePastries@reddit
Ironically this diatribe includes both a spy thriller and mental illness
Ihatememorising@reddit
At least you don't get banned here. Can't say the same to the other subs you frequent. Who is the which echo chamber now?
Original-Campaign-52@reddit
Oh, conservative doesn't ban dissenting opinions? You're totally right I'm way out of line.
Ihatememorising@reddit
Nope, not that I've seen. Glad you understand that you are out of line.
xB_I-O_S@reddit
4chan army is busy all we have is a fat weeb that will cum in your shampoo at night
DoctorProfPatrick@reddit
He's calling you out for even looking at the guy's post history I think. You right tho that guy is definitely either a russian plant or fucking retarded. He plays battlefield so I'm guessing he's a loser either way
Glum_Engineering_671@reddit
I always thought that people who comb through people's comments are super weird and creepy! You dislike what somebody says. So you comb through their entire history to find one stupid thing you disagree with to discredit their entire existence. It's really sad. It shows how perpetually online redditors are
mekosaurus_gaming@reddit
Going through people's comments Its a necesary evil, and can spare you a lot of suffering.
Went through yours and found no anime, no ragebaiting subs. Also some genz stuff.
So you're a bit retarded but its acceptable because of young age. You dont engage that much in ecochambers so your soul isn't entirely poisoned.
I could have an argument with you given the opportunity.
gravy-and-suffering@reddit
do me!
fiftyfourseventeen@reddit
Me next plz
DotEnvironmental1990@reddit
datahoarder, linux, greentext. You are too autistic to be in anywhere but here. Welcome home
Glum_Engineering_671@reddit
No, I'm almost 38 years old. I'm fully retarded
Original-Campaign-52@reddit
Im just aware of the fact that written/typed words don't always have the same meaning as when they're spoken. Briefly scanning through recent comments gives context and insight to the way someone thinks and communicates, more so than 1 partial sentence. You think its weird and creepy? Cool, i don't care.
Impressive-Hat-4045@reddit
Briefly scanning through your comments gives the impression that you’re politics-obsessed, delusional, and think very highly of yourself.
Around half of your comments are about how stupid Republicans are or how bad Trump is - I talk politics, but I usually discuss policy when I do. You also call Republicans Nazis, showing you don’t have a very solid connection with reality.
You show internalized racism, because you think it’s acceptable to hate whites just because of how they look (it’s not, that’s called racism, btw).
Also, think that your voting is not driven by emotion but only by reason. The thing is, one can try to be reasonable, make a great effort to think about when emotion is driving one’s thinking and try to cancel it out, but chances are bias will still seep in. Besides, you’re clearly not the kind of person with the self-reflection to think about when you’re driven by emotion instead of reason, even if you don’t realize it. Someone like that wouldn’t go around saying that you have to be stupid to be a Republican, for example, because that’s an obviously false belief under examination, but a convenient one emotionally.
Original-Campaign-52@reddit
1) republicans are nazis and I stand by that. I can send you as many links as you require of swastikas at republican events and white supremacists supporting Trump, and nobody in republican leadership condemns them.
2) it isn't racist to recognize that fellow white people are trying to hurt others who aren't like us. It isn't racist to focus my frustration on fellow whites for being hateful. You can tell me that I hate them for their skin color (which is also mine) but I won't humor the absurdity
3) my voting is driven by emotion and reason. I'm aware of the objectively bad results that come from sweeping changes to govt and mass firings of virally important agencies. I'm also aware of the pain and suffering innocent hard working Americans experience at the hands of hateful Republicans leaders and their cults who have no standards and constantly change their views to match the crazy shit old orange turd said today.
DotEnvironmental1990@reddit
if you think this place is filled with republicans i suggest you to ask "why do you hate trump?" under any post, under answers you will see that people will spew communist manifesto without ever reading it or people coming to conclusion of wheat and chaff while talking about his international policies that favor a certain country.
StopCallinMePastries@reddit
I lost 10 IQ points reading this, ggs
HorseNuts9000@reddit
Well of course you don't, because you're a weird creep.
Original-Campaign-52@reddit
Well I can't deny it now that its been officially verified by horse nuts 9000
StopCallinMePastries@reddit
It is fucking weird and creepy.
The fact that it's even an option indicates what an anti-speech cesspool reddit has and will always be.
EasySlideTampax@reddit
Refuting the central point? Nah let’s just do as hominem and name calling after browsing their post history. Reddit moment.
Din_Plug@reddit
That wasn't even a hard comment to form a proper rebuttal to. Instead you pulled a redditor and went through someone's post/comment history.
snalli@reddit
You pulled all their pants down with one simple comment, bravo :D
verserse@reddit
it's more mentally ill for you to dig through someones comment history because they said some mild opinion that you disagreed with.
Original-Campaign-52@reddit
You guys like to imply that i did more than 30 seconds of "work", and that's great, get those internet points
havoc1428@reddit
You're so mad lmao.
Original-Campaign-52@reddit
At weaponized stupidity? Yes, im pretty mad about it.
havoc1428@reddit
Still mad.
Original-Campaign-52@reddit
There's a hell of a lot more to politics than being mad or not-mad. Sadly lack of reading and critical thinking skills is how you got here, so thats that.
havoc1428@reddit
Holy shit you are unfathomably MAD. Cry moar
verserse@reddit
the original redditor
Acceptable-Alarm-796@reddit
Holy shit how cringe do you have to be to go looking through past comments in order to try to find something to use as a zinger?
Come back when you grow out of a training bra.
Original-Campaign-52@reddit
Very cringe to use someone's own words against them. Well, unless we're doing that for ol Joe biden and hilary Clinton. Then its open season.
Acceptable-Alarm-796@reddit
You use capitalization like a bot
Original-Campaign-52@reddit
Sure okay, im a bot, because I don't care if my phone decides to capitalize part of a name. Fitting that you ignore what I said and focus on grammar like it suddenly matters or changes the meaning in this case
Acceptable-Alarm-796@reddit
You are the one bringing up non-sequiturs. You sniffed through someone's comments and now everyone knows you are cringe; just take the L and move on.
Original-Campaign-52@reddit
Oh so you think there's no correlation between referring to gender preferences as "mental illness" and parroting putins propaganda about the invasion on Ukraine? 2 completely unrelated things, huh?
Acceptable-Alarm-796@reddit
You sound like the type to enjoy TLoU2
born_2_be_a_bachelor@reddit
TomtheWonderDog@reddit
I love that you started your started your schizo rant with "Mental Illness?"
Original-Campaign-52@reddit
My schizo moment?
TheDaringScoods@reddit
I don’t even give a shit about the first comment but this comment makes me want to disagree with you out of spite
MrDaburks@reddit
Seethe, cope, et al. Be sure to stay 500 ft away from all public schools, of course.
Original-Campaign-52@reddit
Do you immediately accuse everyone who disagrees with you of being a sexual predator? I won't mock whatever trauma resulted in that, but I dont feel bad for you either.
mirkociamp1@reddit
Mentally ill? Would a mentally ill person do THIS? Stalks your profile
lmao
Entire-Background837@reddit
You will never be one
Angel_OfSolitude@reddit
There's a difference between having political themes and being a political lecture.
Tommy2255@reddit
MGS goes all in on political lectures. The actual difference is between real politics, like international relations and avoiding wars and managing a country and the compromises made between freedom and security, versus identity politics about who can use which bathroom that only exist as "political" issues in order to distract the general public from how much they're getting fucked over on things that actually matter.
sethlyons777@reddit
Yeah, I think it's all about message and audience. The analogy could be made with philosophy.
I mean, there's so much philosophy in games. FF7 shaped me is a kid, MSG has philosophy behind its politics, there are a lot of religious, alchemical and mythological themes throughout many games as well. Nier: Automata is another example. Nobody complains about these games because there's substance to it.
If a bunch of people complained about too much philosophy in a game and it turned out to be a bunch of drivel by the likes of De Bouvier and Satre and other French existentialists, Deconstructivists and particularly the Critical Theorists of the Frankfurt School. I wouldn't blame them. I can just imagine people demanding to "get these kiddy diddlers out of our games" lol
I think that's why Eastern games are so much more successful then Western games these days. Eastern cultures are able to temper modern continental Western philosophy and politics in their story telling. Western Devs are fucking retarded because their culture is based off of navel gazing and skin deep thought experiments.
yeFoh@reddit
half of eastern philosophy is buddhist, taoist and hinduist. the core of those, maybe not the surface social layer, is about setting identity aside and examining tendencies of consciousness to put reigns on the mind.
CheeseyTriforce@reddit
Today I learned religions built around destroying ones own ego and becoming one with the world and nature is the same as modern western Atheist and Satanic ideologies built in narcissism
yeFoh@reddit
cool, enjoy living with unverified information
sethlyons777@reddit
What you did here was misinterpret what I said and created a false dichotomy. The culture at western game development companies doesn't accurately represent western culture. You also explain why Eastern philosophy is the opposite of what I was referring to and then said they're the same thing. A thousands year old system of movement and meditation practices for purposes of diminishing the ego is really not comparable to identity politics.
I think you're being needlessly contrarian and not making much sense. But there's probably a logical end to a certain part of each (Eastern and Western) that leads to a horseshoe of sorts.
yeFoh@reddit
yeah they aren't comparable. in the east the more popular thing to do is zooming out from the identities and labels. playing with identities is just smoke and mirrors for a meditator.
me pointing out it's navel gazing is more in spirit of the older meaning of navel gazing, where it was presumably a decent pose for training, so i'm satirizing the modern meaning where it's reduced to the empty outward gestures.
actually, you're right. like a third of my post was for humor but i did conflate subjects.
maybe the publically traded companies are playing it safe to get the average gamer to relate to it, maybe writers don't vibe with introspection, maybe it's too esoteric to them or they're fooled by the mysticism.
TurtleStepper@reddit
You have been banned from / r / transjenga
Tommy2255@reddit
No idea what that is, but I'm probably already banned anyway.
DarkScorpion48@reddit
Stop pointing out the truth bro. You want to get banned from Reddit?
OnePastafarian@reddit
Also mgs2 released before 911. It was meant to be predictive dystopian sci-fi, less so a statement of what's going on present day.
JojiImpersonator@reddit
Wikipedia says it was released November 2001. Even then, your point stands since that would mean it was certainly *produced* before 911. The script, specially, must be much older.
nondescriptzombie@reddit
They heavily edited the game in order to hit that date. There's an entire cutscene of Arsenal Gear just crushing through New York that AFAIK never got rendered because of obvious reasons.
JojiImpersonator@reddit
Everyday I learn a little more about how 911 influenced society for the worse.
MeBeEric@reddit
I remember when they’d air movies from the 80s and 90s (pre-9/11) after the attacks with the Twin Towers edited out. They did this i think for a good decade.
Notmydirtyalt@reddit
You can find Adult Films at from the time with a 9/11 memorial at the start.
God Bless America from "Anal Fisting Crew #7"
FaZeKill23@reddit
This sounds like a South Park skit, but also believable
clavedark@reddit
Yeah I remember seeing the episode where the Simpson's visit New York and they didn't even show the towers. I think the whole episode was banned for a while. Pretty sure the scene with vacation Apu selling Homer fireworks and telling him to "celebrate the independence of your country by blowing up a small part of it" is still censored.
MeBeEric@reddit
No the last part i know is fine i just saw that episode a couple days ago
TWK128@reddit
I know there's a scene in the Ajin anime adaptation that was changed because an airliner is used how you'd expect.
reddit_has_fallenoff@reddit
The older i get the more i come to terms with the fact that 9/11 was a george bush death cult skull and bones ritual meant to push us into the worst timeline possible.
Its hard to imagine, but pre 9/11 most people imagined the future as a bright and optimistic place, not the NWO surveillance dystopia everyone imagines now
CheeseyTriforce@reddit
I mean 9/11 pushed into the modern age of Globalist war mongering bullshit and is still plaguing us to this day like in Ukraine
Bush was such a fucking terrible President
BanzaiKen@reddit
Back in the day Fox News was going nuts because there was a mission in Red Alert 2 you flew a zeppelin into the Twin Towers and bombed it and saying it was an inspiration.
The zeppelin in question had an angry face and moved at the speed of a glacier and dropped giant bombs.
352397@reddit
The mission with the twin towers still exists to this day in both the steam and GOG versions of the game. Its the [third mission in the soviet campaign.] (https://cnc-central.fandom.com/wiki/Big_Apple_(mission))
BlueHeartBob@reddit
IIRC there was about 300 lines that got taken out after 9/11, Kojima was genuinely considering just not releasing the game at all.
OnePastafarian@reddit
Sorry I did mean to say "developed". Supposedly Kojima wasn't sure about if he should release a disaster game that takes place in NYC months after 911 happened.
some_guy554@reddit
You actually think metal gear series didn't comment on contemporary events and so many people agree with you to be the top comment?
OnePastafarian@reddit
U mad lol
extralyfe@reddit
MGS2 is about a post-truth society where memes and corporate interests are how information spreads.
it absolutely nails present day, and it did it 20 years early.
oeCake@reddit
MGS4 did it again, predicting the consequences of everyone being constantly 100% plugged in to bigger networks. Both the individual consequences and what happens when said networks suddenly change their policy and direction, and how dangerous it is to allow monopolies to dig their fingers in so deep. I found the introductory commercials very confusing as a kid on my first playthrough but now they come across as surrealist and cyberpunk af and do a good job of helping explain the society that you are about to enter
16_bitboi@reddit
Saying this yet mgs2 ends with an hour of political exposition
oeCake@reddit
It's good, highly prescient political exposition though - crazy how on point it is despite predating Facebook by years
NissinSeafoodCup@reddit
What’s so crazy? Every ideas and talking points in MGS 2 was circulating for years in the academic sphere before the game even became a rough sketch on Konami’s whiteboard.
Kojumbo’s greatest power is plucking well-known ideas from the academic realm and using it in his game so oblivious gamers worship him like he’s the prophet of political and social science.
oeCake@reddit
Yeah that's.. what artists do
CheeseyTriforce@reddit
Honey wakeup the Frankfurt school is trying to take credit for oxygen again
magusx17@reddit
Yeah, but the political suggestions are far different. MGS2 suggests fighting government oppression and private military through the control of memes.
That woke game suggests chopping off your penis and changing your pronouns
GTDestroyer@reddit
the existence of nb people isnt a political lecture unless you're retarded
PM_ME_BAD_ALGORITHMS@reddit
You'd be hard pressed to find a single political statement that is not a political lecture
ccznen@reddit
"I cordially dislike allegory in all its manifestations, and always have done so since I grew old and wary enough to detect its presence. I much prefer history – true or feigned– with its varied applicability to the thought and experience of readers. I think that many confuse applicability with allegory, but the one resides in the freedom of the reader, and the other in the purposed domination of the author."
charge_forward@reddit
But what was Aragorn's tax policy?
Please_Dial8@reddit
Fascinating how you can always tell
KeyedJewedditor@reddit
it’s on the left
MissMistMaid@reddit
There's a difference between having political themes and being a political ~~lecture~~ joke.
Here fixed it for ya
TheCreepWhoCrept@reddit
The sheer egotistical gaslighting of people who deny this difference is the single worst part of artistic analysis today. The “all art is political” people are either the most unintelligent or most dishonest people in the art world. Perhaps both. I dearly wish they would go away.
havyng@reddit
Political propaganda at this rate
TMWNN@reddit
That's something that the idiots who say "Star Trek was always 'woke'!" say. The sort of broad-minded liberal humanism that Trek embodied through ENT is not the same as "being woke" the way I am told DSC and PIC are.
PrivilegeCheckmate@reddit
chuckling to myself in Tracer Tong ending
PM_ME_GAY_STUF@reddit
Have you played any Metal Gear Solid games, some of the most critically acclaimed games ever made?
"Blatant politics in media = bad" is a childish take tbh
Please_Dial8@reddit
Fascinating how you can always tell
Balancing_Loop@reddit
maybe that should have been the line instead of "no politics in video games" then. Also nobody ever said "there is no difference between these".
so basically chuds gonna chud.
Stop-Hanging-Djs@reddit
Yes. The difference is "Do I like it?".
TheThalmorEmbassy@reddit
Also the game on the left is good and the game on the right fucking sucked, which is the most important distinction
Noveno@reddit
gender ideology is not political is just a mental disease made ideology
Lower_Preparation_83@reddit
old deus ex and mgs games are goated when it comes to writing, sad they are not making games like these anymore.
FaZeKill23@reddit
Cyberpunk gets close IMO... And unironically Genshin since (so far) It makes you doubt if shit Is actually what It seems or just a facade
Takseen@reddit
The original Deus Ex was great for presenting alternative viewpoints and getting you thinking. Even a random bartender has like 5 minutes of big political discussion. And the ending choice was not the binary good/evil one. I went with the Helios one, maybe I have too much faith in AI
Mama_Mega@reddit
I went with the Dark Ages ending. Neither the deep state nor the god complex AI could be trusted for obvious reasons, and I felt humanity would be able to bounce back in a few decades or so.
Free-Design-8329@reddit
The Illuminati isn’t the deep state, it’s the people of coin
lord_dude@reddit
Dark ages ending was just a delay though. People will rebuild technology
nyaasgem@reddit
Same, but because I don't really think that pushing humanity into a more primitive lifestyle is even inherently that bad. Like we were there before and people managed, it's just a different lifestyle some societies/tribes live even today.
The worst part about it (like with all the other endings) is that it's one person who decides the fate of the entire human race.
And yeah humans would bounce back eventually.
Free-Design-8329@reddit
Deus ex left it up to the player what was right and wrong
Modern games tell you you’re wrong and a bigot
neecoan@reddit
Disco Elysium would like to have a word
TheDeflatables@reddit
The footbalification of politics has made those kinds of games a challenge to create.
ZenPyx@reddit
Lots of people overlook less obvious discussions of the right issue - there's whole sections of discussions concerning identity and gender in rpg games like cyberpunk and fallout new vegas, but because neither game specifically uses words like non-binary, it's just not discussed
TheDeflatables@reddit
That can often be the case in many mediums. Films particularly. People don't like being bashed over the head with a message, but miss the message when it's told in subtlety
IFuckSlow@reddit
Subtext is actually clever and takes effort, low effort pandering is my main probm with modern gaming. And films. And TV.
People have been screaming that this shit sucks and to stop being so hamfisted if you're going to insist on having it. There is a clever way to write a conflicted character with flaws that maybe has identity struggles. This then, naturally, leads to empathy.
Instead let's just make everyone black and trans. It's lazy.
Tast3sLikePanda@reddit
Bruv plays touhou and apex and complains about bad writing in modern games
Thats like eating only raw brussel sprouts and complaining that all greens are disgusting
Most-Limit9750@reddit
One of them is discussing real-world political themes, and the other one is a leftist struggle session lecturing at you about an ideology.
ZikSvg@reddit
He is literally just right
lucasthebr2121@reddit
one is political while the other is political whining
yeah both are political but i prefer the one that is not shit
its like saying that skyrim and modded skyrim are the same
like yeah same game but we all know which one is better
Clen23@reddit
The only whining in the screenshot is anon's commentary.
You can argue wether LGBT representation is good and if it should be a plot point in modern games, but it's definitely not "whining" in this case.
Please_Dial8@reddit
Fascinating how you can always tell
Clen23@reddit
I just looked at your comment history, it's kinda sad that it's mostly disdain like this. :(
I hope for you to find healthier ways to feel better.
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NitroAssassin524@reddit
Do your homework
Porn_Priority876@reddit
Nah
Please_Dial8@reddit
Pathetic but predictable, being a r*dditor truly does rot your brain.
lucasthebr2121@reddit
i classify it as whining cuz the moment i say its a shit addition to a franchise i used to like there atleast 3 random people that probably dont even like that franchise as a i do tell me i am wrong and that i am homophobic for not thinking its a good representation for the lgbt community to make a shit game and just add lgbt themes on top
like if you want to make lgbt representation do what baldur gate 3 did which was make a fucking good game instead of fucking the entire franchise by
making a game so bad the publishers would probably never make a sequel again after that
ruining the reputation of both the lgbt community and also of the studio that made the game
literally giving more fuel for people to say that lgbt people dont deserve human rights
and if you disagree with what i just said i would like to understand your way of thinking because i cant understand what i would classify as a view i never thought or brain retardation in its purest form and i cant distinguish either if i dont know your way of thinking
Clen23@reddit
So because 3 random people are whining about some content, it means that the content is whining ??
I don't follow your logic.
lucasthebr2121@reddit
those 3 random people are the loudest
and my logic is that i think they are too annoying to be on the internet
denialofcervix@reddit
Why are they like this? Let's say this is even a real identity. No fucking way they'd use a word like "non-binary" to describe that.
cahir11@reddit
The lead writer for Veilguard identifies as non-binary. It's definitely a real term that people use for themselves. The part that I think people were calling out as cringe is that it feels out of place in Dragon Age's setting to just say that so bluntly.
Finstersang@reddit
"Write what you know", they say.
And when you only know your own myopic identity issues and HR buzzwords, this is what you write.
VegetablePlane9983@reddit
it was pretty funny when people were commenting on the comming out scene with tash how its completely realistic and that the writer must have gone through that exact scene XD
Finstersang@reddit
I mean, it IS realistic. For a kitchen table coming-out talk in a north american suburb, somewhere between 2015-2025.
VegetablePlane9983@reddit
for the setting thought its completely out of place XD, nothing breaks immersion as quickly as my companion character comming out as non-binary. I also love how they portrayed the mother in that conversation as a normal person who's confused what the hell their son/daughter(i dont really know with tash) is talking about while tash is just sperging out
denialofcervix@reddit
🤓
AegisT_@reddit
In fairness, even in the left the writing of this game and this character In particular are generally panned.
These people cannot write to save their lives, when even the core audience hates it, who are you even writing for?
Pureburn@reddit
The writer was writing for himself.
sgtjoe@reddit
They could write it less like a Redditor would say it though.
Keyboardpaladin@reddit
Yeah I was gonna say, I bet you could phrase it a lot better. When it's read like that by a creature in a fantasy setting, it would completely break (at least my) immersion to hear it say something so modern. Just saying "I'm neither man nor woman" at the very least is more fitting imo because there's an implication that this being is something that has transcended beyond our typical understanding of binary genders, something more mystical and FANTASTICAL sounding, maybe?
threevi@reddit
That's intentional, though. The inner conflict of this character is the conflict between the traditional fantasy culture of their race, where they do have a fantastical-sounding term for that kind of thing ("aqun-athlok"), and the more liberal, human-centric culture of Rivain where they grew up, characterised by plain English with no fantasy frills. That doesn't mean the storyline is automatically good, Veilguard's writing is still very weak overall, but like... at least play the game, or watch a playthrough on youtube, or something. If you just judge one line of dialogue out of context, you're going to end up complaining that they should've come up with a more fantasy-sounding term when there literally is one, and the character's intentional rejection of that kind of thing is the whole point of their arc. The whole gender thing is treated as secondary within the questline, the main point is the Qunari vs Rivaini internal conflict.
Dammit_Meg@reddit
I think the point is valid. "Non-binary" is something we use in our lexicon, and fairly recently at that. Throwing it into a video game with a whole bunch of different aspects does break that feeling of immersion.
Non-binary makes sense to US, the player, because we know that phrase. But in-universe? It just doesn't "feel" right.
Aqun-athlok may refer to a non-binary Qunari OR a female Qunari that is a warrior. I don't know, I haven't played the game, but the latter makes more sense given what I know of their culture from earlier games.
The whole non-binary thing is a very Western concept; other countries don't really have it, probably in part because it's so far down on the hierarchy of needs that only a very, very priveleged society is able to worry about it.
In Dragon Age it's far from a utopia. If anything it's closer to Medieval or Industrial Revolution England. Except they have like, dragons and shit eating them. So the chance of this being a thing the human society would worry about isn't super high. Probably more the local mage would become a demon is their issue.
Reptillian97@reddit
Ah, I see you have no idea what you are talking about.
Angus_Fraser@reddit
The cultures that do have more than two genders don't say "non-binary" still, dumbass.
tyrerk@reddit
The problem is that "non-binary" does not by any means sound plain English-like
LoLFlore@reddit
Context? In chud discourse? That's illegal.
KneeDeepInTheDead@reddit
Dark Lord Eflg'nosh: "I am Latinx"
StopCallinMePastries@reddit
They could have written the character's gender identity as an in-universe fantasy analogue and it could have been poignant and interesting, kinda like how the X-men are a metaphor for disenfranchised minorities.
Instead they just play a record scratch as the character model stares at the camera to say,
"Hey it's me, the game writer. I want to lecture and shame you for your conventional views on identity politics now, being that you are past the timeframe when you can refund the game on steam...now do 10 push-ups, bigot."
threetoast@reddit
Qunari are supposed to have incredibly rigid gender roles also. Though if a woman wants to be a warrior, then they have to live as a man. Saying some shit like "I'm non-binary" is so out of left field when you know a society like that would have an actual in-universe term for it.
NineInchNeurosis@reddit
And it’s so disappointing because they’ve done things like this so much better in the past. Qunari used to actually be different, stoic as fuck. This ain’t it
KaiFireborn21@reddit
Yeah seriously.
wilhelm-moan@reddit
So. THAT just happened.
MrDaburks@reddit
Only redditors say that kind of shit
Comfytendy@reddit
One’s cool, ones annoying
minutman@reddit
Relevant global topics vs irrelevant 1% 1st world issue.
Are you a bigot anon?
CheeseyTriforce@reddit
This will be a fun thread
Remember to follow Reddit rules /s
Gmknewday1@reddit
There's a difference between someone constantly feeling the need to explain their identity when people make a mistake
Vs
A game all about the nasty side of political corruption and how fucked up war is
Ollie-North@reddit
Gender isn't politics.
Fuckin grow up everyone.
Akiens@reddit
Slava ukrani!
Rubber_Ducky_6844@reddit
Yes, I agree. And gender isn't politics.
GasterIHardlyKnowHer@reddit
Why not?
Rubber_Ducky_6844@reddit
Why is it?
GasterIHardlyKnowHer@reddit
Because evidently it's a far reaching issue that affects many people, and it also affects legislation. Like it or not, it's been made political if nothing else.
Some people like to claim that gender isn't political because it's a "human rights thing". But that would be doing a disservice to the LGBT movement's accomplishments within the last 100 years or so.
Almost every political issue boils down to "human rights". Wars are fought over it. Politics isn't just disagreements over the accounting of the government's money, or voting on whether the town square needs a new fountain.
Rubber_Ducky_6844@reddit
Lol
Akiens@reddit
so... im non binary
Rubber_Ducky_6844@reddit
Okay, good for you?
Akiens@reddit
whats that supposed to mean?
KeyedJewedditor@reddit
slava urine or whatever
MikoMiky@reddit
Tell that to the LGHDTV activists who won't shut up about it
Ollie-North@reddit
Not even true. 90% of gender discourse is chuds like you screaming about it.
MikoMiky@reddit
Lmao bro went full delulu
Ace_of_Razgriz_77@reddit
What did he say? Both comments are deleted.
MikoMiky@reddit
"gender isn't political" with the usual colorful language
Ace_of_Razgriz_77@reddit
Oh fun. So just your normal psychotic behavior.
Lower_Preparation_83@reddit
It is.
busterBeamCannon@reddit
Yeah it’s worse. At least politics has the potential to be interesting. Nobody cares about a they them fuck
VegetablePlane9983@reddit
can you even call LGBT propaganda political?
El_Rista1993@reddit
Um, trans identity isn't political.
And if you disagree with me, you're a nazi maga chud
Autumn_Fire@reddit
Even the non political scenes in Veilgaurd are bad. Look at the coffee scene on youtube. It's absolutely brutal.
Free-Design-8329@reddit
I’m assuming the one on the left has actually politics, moral greyness and ambiguity while the one on the right just browbeats into you that you should believe in heinz 57 genders
willowsandwasps@reddit
2077 had decent economic commentary (the genre itself is based around it), GTA is a blatant satire of "ugly American" culture, & New Vegas (old I know) is entirely political. There are mainstream games with decent commentary, and plenty of less popular games that give allegorical or direct political messaging. You just play shit games lmao
Garchompisbestboi@reddit
Honestly I'm happy that Dragon Guard tanked and I hope that all the developers that were involved are currently struggling to pay rent because they can no longer find work in the industry.
shroomenheimer@reddit
But but my vidya games are all I have left 🥺
Special-One1991@reddit
People realise that Metal Gear Solid 3 had a gay character!? And it quite obvious too not like hidden!!
SplashingChicken@reddit
"The world is secretly being conquered by a cabal of ultra wealthy elites since WW2."
Vs...
"Shitty identity politics pushed by foreign propaganda designed to destabilize nations."
SerenityAdvicate@reddit
Good Goyim! ♻️🐱
MyDogIsDaBest@reddit
A big thanks to the woke community, dragon age dawnguard and some sweaty nerd for introducing the term "non-buynary"
TNTspaz@reddit
I feel like it's already been said to death that's it's a writing problem tbh. I don't know anyone who actually uses any of those arguments anymore except as a strawman
ryneku@reddit
Everything regarding people and the management of people is politics.
Regardless, I don't care if it's in my game. I don't want it to be the focus of my game when the game is about something completely irrelevant to it. So if I bought farming game and they started to talk about environmental impact of my gardening every time I remove a tree or something I wouldn't be happy. "Hey, are you sure you want to remove this tree? You are hurting the environment!" If that popped up every time I just wanted to make some space I'd be pissed off. I'm sure some would love it, there is always an outlier or contrarian out there.
If I bought a romantic sim or something, sure put identity politics in it. I don't care. But if I'm buying a looter shooter I really don't give a fuck what is between my character's legs. If my character looks like a boy but doesn't have a penis, I don't need to know he she it doesn't have a penis. If it's related to the story like "There is a protest about LGBT community breaking out and there has been a credible terrorist threat" or w/e, okay cool.
I think the main point is that it feels random and forced. The sword is past the forest of suffering, through the cave of pestilence, across the river of forbading, also btw I'm trans, and then at he top of the mountain of yearning you will see a rock. There will be your sword.
That's how it feels to me, at least.
That's a poorly explained reason why people hate "politics in gaming" but yeah, tried my best.
Adventurous-Sell-298@reddit
One is talking about concepts that matter in the real world through the veil of a mindless diversion and the other is just mindless.
Books_for_Steven@reddit
One is two hours of cutscenes and the other is a side mission
ItsSevii@reddit
Someone else just watched the act man video
Jack-of-Hearts-7@reddit
People only hate politics in games if they disagree with them
philmarcracken@reddit
They hate anvilicious writing, which starts from connecting real world issues to peoples fantasy escapism, breaking the fundamental purpose.
Sharky-Li@reddit
The difference is the game on the left is actually good.
Nedpublican@reddit
Video games have been taken over by freaks
Frensplainer@reddit
“All art (games) is political” literally just means “there is no work i cannot project my own values onto then call you a chud for having a different read of the art.”
SapiS68@reddit
But that was cool politics and this is lame politics
thedude213@reddit
The outrage of not being the target audience of every single game ever made now!
Please_Dial8@reddit
Fascinating how you can always tell
Mr-Klaus@reddit
Current state of the right wing playbook:
Please_Dial8@reddit
Fascinating how you can always tell
MajesticOriginal3722@reddit
This Reddit post is more political than the game on the right. Reply to my comment with anything if you agree.
Clen23@reddit
It's a perfect example of why minorities are "political" : they're discriminated against, then they fight for equal rights, and now people whine because now minorities are political.
harry_lostone@reddit
imagine calling "politics" your need to suck dick lol
Clen23@reddit
LGBT wouldn't be political if everyone was fine with it, but discrimination made its members ask for equality, thus the movement becoming political.
I was about to mention racism being political too as a comparison but I fear r/4chan isn't on the right side of history on this one either. :/
BLOODY-DIARRHEA-CHUG@reddit
Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty stands the test of time and remains to be a technical milestone (as a fucking PS2 game no less) and while it's themes are convoluted and somewhat bloated in the way they were presented, it is a work of art and a cerified masterpiece imo.
ExtremeCreamTeam@reddit
its*
Matt_2504@reddit
The graphics were better than most ps3/xbox 360 games and the AI is still better than most modern games. The story is complex and was a bit confusing when I was younger but when I grew up I realised just how great it was. Game is a masterpiece
cecilforester@reddit
Why are there copies of the Style section all over the place, do you have a dog? A little chow or something?
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Shinteru14@reddit
Not a single day without someone whining about lgbt character in a game they didn't play. You can turn ur back so that u don't see lgbt people but they still are there, and were there since long back in history. So knowing that, some people may wanna talk about it in videogames, right ? It's not always about political agenda, especially when talking about people's identity, which is something every media is eager to explore
WOMMART-IS-RASIS@reddit
your fetish is like 50 years old max
Shinteru14@reddit
One google search my boy, u can do it
Jrrii@reddit
Neither did ""they""
Shinteru14@reddit
Yeah but who's complaining here ?
Jrrii@reddit
You just did
Shinteru14@reddit
You're missing your own point. Too bad
Jrrii@reddit
Fuckin what?
Shinteru14@reddit
You're telling me than "they" didn't play the game either, I'm asking u who's complaining and you're answering me. I was talking about whining people complaining about lgbt, so "who's complaining ?" was to point out than neither whining people nor lgbt have played this game, but only one side is complaining about it. Be consistent
Jrrii@reddit
No one is complaining you dense retard, we're celebrating
Shinteru14@reddit
Oh ok you're just dumb, my bad
WOMMART-IS-RASIS@reddit
this issue is a result of people being cowards and saying they "don't want politics in my media" when what they mean is "i don't want to see ph@gg0t shit and interracial cuck relationships in my media"
AnotherScoutTrooper@reddit
politics =/= identity politics
one is interesting and the other got Trump’s worst form elected
mikem004@reddit
The Hanar from Mass Effect are non-binary and that's from 2007.
RetroTheGameBro@reddit
Grow the fuck up and go the fuck outside. No one cares that you're a crybaby and gays scare you.
Finstersang@reddit
Everything posted on 4chan dot com is supposed to a 100% irony-free serious take, chuds.
This is literally meant to be taken literally.
mistasnarlz@reddit
Im sure GCJ is having a meltdown over this.
Deimos_Aeternum@reddit
GCJ not having a meltdown about something would be the real news
Deimos_Aeternum@reddit
Being lectured =/= politics
diamondisland2023@reddit
gender isn't political.
busterBeamCannon@reddit
Yeah it’s worse. It’s BORING
Non binary = non buynary
grabbingcabbage@reddit
Political is when gay and black makes people uncomfortable
Sunlight--Blade@reddit
"Everything is political. Mario rescuing the princes is political"
Nooo, don't point out my identity slop is political, is called being a decent chunguns human being!
Sniper_231996@reddit
Left image is based, right side image is servitor material
Robrogineer@reddit
Barely have to do any lobotomising for that one.
LeapYearBoy@reddit
"LoOk At My VaGiNa" while swinging a 12 inch cock.
Nah bro, you just like the weird fetish shit.
_illuminati666@reddit
bot broke?
rockerode@reddit
One is a 5d chess discourse on the military industrial complex, the downsides of government, families suck, patience and more
The other is a lecture on identity politics and a modern emblem of why liberals are shit
I hate being leftist in 2025, I miss mgs style leftists
Darkblue57@reddit
I would try to balance out the left wing cringe by highlighting the equivalent right wing cringe but they don't really have anything to be fair.
Any suggestions?
Theroux721@reddit
femcels are more existent than right wing cringe, whether anyone likes it or not
Takseen@reddit
Homefront maybe? Surely even the hawkest of right wing hawks realizes North Korea cannot be a serious threat to the US.
UncleSugarShitposter@reddit
The north koreans were a safe allegory to China, just like in the new Red Dawn
TeenisElbow@reddit
Ethnic Cleansing
ConnorOfAstora@reddit
The gender part isn't my problem, it's more the terminology.
Non-binary is a relatively recent term so having a medieval fantasy style RPG use terms like that is kinda weird.
Likewise you wouldn't expect to hear Ulfric Stormcloak use modern terms like "FUBAR" or Ezio Auditore to describe something as "tubular"
Now I know that technically with that logic we should go further like how Shakespeare invented many modern words that we shouldn't use but there's definitely a line.
mischling2543@reddit
Are these funni colours
P3n1SM4N_42069@reddit
You're a goddamn horned freak with giant rings on them you're anything but non-binary
johndeer89@reddit
One is story telling. The other is the story teller patting themselves on zir back.
IgotAseaView@reddit
The copium
iVar4sale@reddit
The word politics used to be synonimous with corruption, but it changed meaning and somehow got much worse over time.
DoctorPerverto@reddit
"Politics.... Politics have changed."
back_reggin@reddit
International politics vs social politics. One is welcome in my games, the other can kick rocks.
DoFuKtV@reddit
Don’t let rightoids learn what Snake thinks about Che
DirkNord@reddit
a degenerates proclivities are not politics
platysoup@reddit
That codec call in MGS2 lives rent free in my mind.
Madcat_Moody@reddit
Imagine being so far gone that you're deadass comparing veilguard to MGS thinking you're some enlightened one, fuck out of here lmao
hexmark21@reddit
Security vs identity politics. Its a matter of taste
JojiImpersonator@reddit
This whole drama isn't about politics, it's about quality. If somehow they managed to lecture AND be entertaining with the story, people wouldn't be nearly as mad with the story. Maybe it would que seen as "fun-bad" or something. Looks like a lot of devs live for the lecturing, though.
Explicit_Tech@reddit
It's political slop now
Vaca_Powerpoint@reddit
anon is dumb
likely_suspicious@reddit
ye ye sure those two are definitely alike