Every American Software professional should make it a point to write to Trump on X or truth social, about blatant greed of American CEOs in deciding about offshoring software jobs to India and other countries for the past 20 plus years. Trump has been only targeting Manufacturing offshoring so far with Tariffs, he is NOT targeting software offshoring so far with any serious tariffs, as he had promised. If Trump puts a minimum 50% tariff on all Software offshoring outside U.S, it will help the overall American Economy (maybe NOT the CEOs and their fat compensations / bonuses, LOL ) and millions of hardworking common Americans a lot in future.
So Kumar mentions Ganesh has set up his own outsourcing company. Any one have a source for that? Sure would like to know if it's true. Sure would like the name of the company if it is true.
not what I meant. and I was there, too. I'm wondering if has set up a private company to hire folks. Rumor has it that he used his company to profit while John Deere moved folks offshore.
I will almost certainly get shit for this:
This is literally the standard modus operabdi for almost every Indian executive in the US. It’s what they do. The stock market and the job market is littered with companies where this happened. It’s been happening to large banks for decades.
The outsourced firms build sub-par code, QA like shit, and can’t be communicated with outside of the team leads. By the time the company realizes shit is now worse, they’ve built systems in such a way that they can’t be extricated without *insane* costs.
It happens time and again, and maybe it’s because they’re the only people who will take the jobs? I don’t know.
Dallas born - live in Switzerland now
Recently lost my job for this reason in Pharma, not in IT. They are doing this for all non-senior executive roles, even science based ones. I worked for a company making serious bank on one of the biggest drugs in the world right now. We even had to take Indian culture training as our Europe based team got smaller and smaller and we had to work more with our colleagues in India.
Companies headquartered there required by laws to have x number of employees so the company will pay these employees a generous expat salary. This is common to lots companies and also why prices are so expensive there. It’s a country housing executives and their families on five year rotation.
This is probably a big reason for the shift to the right in western countries right now. Either immigrants come in or their jobs get outsourced to another country and they blame the people taking the jobs, rather than execs wanting to pump their stock prices by cutting costs.
The average salary for a software engineer in India is around $35k USD/yr, so not as low as you would think. Obviously, even higher for more senior roles.
I worked for a company that was founded in India, and the US team I was on was actually the "outsourced" team, because the company was vying for US government contracts.
The Indian work culture seemed really brutal - my Indian coworkers worked 6 days a week, and often 10+ hour days. They would often join meetings at 11PM or 12AM their time. Heck, sometimes they'd still be in the office at 10PM or later.
That said, they seemed to do well for themselves and their families. Most of my Indian coworkers had nice homes, were able to afford servants (which, as the son of a nanny, was another big culture shock...), etc.
The IT culture emphasized appearances to your manager and higher ups. The devs in India weren't focused on the actual quality of the work they delivered, because their bosses were not privy to those details. They were focused on delivering a high volume of tasks/features. They would finish a feature as quickly as they could and move on to the next, without regard for maintainability or bugs. The company was experiencing some pretty nasty growing pains from this culture - as the company grew and they took on more and more clients, a higher percentage of time had to be spent on putting out fires or dealing with performance issues, etc., due to the unstable and bug-addled codebase, and many clients started getting frustrated by all the issues they were experiencing.
35k is a lot in India. But yeah you’ve enlightened me on some of the issues I have with our Indian team. I deal with hardware/TAC so I’ve wondered why they seem to just run off a script instead of learning how to troubleshoot
Indian higher education doesn't prize creative solutions to problems or critical thinking, it turns everything into checklists and rote memorization to prepare graduates to read off scripts and deliver shit product.
I had the opportunity to attend GDC Austin in 2010. While I was in the convention center outside of a session, I was taking a breather and happened to overhear an Indian senior manager taking a phone call in which he was tearing into a subordinate for not keeping up appearances and putting a pretty big contract at risk.
Nothing about quality of work, nothing about timely delivery of milestones or overall performance. This guy was tearing into his subordinate just because there wasn't enough performative activity being demonstrated. You wonder why Indian-led C suites end up tanking companies, stuff like this is why.
No care about software quality or efficacy, their entire management style is built around extending contracts as long as possible without any attention paid to maintenance or performance.
> That said, they seemed to do well for themselves and their families. Most of my Indian coworkers had nice homes, were able to afford servants (which, as the son of a nanny, was another big culture shock...), have a stay at home spouse, etc.
I'm hearing that the small Indian middle class lives very well and if they move over here they are often shocked at how much they have to pay for nannies or other household support services.
Your description is super accurate. The thing about >Indian tech workers is that its all image. They need to seem busy and kiss ass. It has its pros and cons. One pro is that they deliver fast. But the con is that they wont elevate any issues they saw along the way because the priority is looking good
Right? AI stands for Actually an Indian. A number of years ago when I was out of work, I was looking at online article writing in a vaguely technical field. The competition was all Indians. How do you compete against guys with a masters degree who will write articles for $5 an hour? If it sounds like it was written by an Indian, it was written by an Indian.
I used to work on our recruiting and found it interesting that every Indian somehow had a masters or advanced degree so I talked to our recruiters in India and found out there are tons of fake schools there where you can quickly and easily get a “masters degree” as well as a completely fake (and verifiable) job history. It is a huge thing there.
There’s a financial concept of equilibrium where applied to a labor perspective in a global economy there’s only one direction incomes in the highest earning country can go, down.
But it makes lives better in India. If 10 Indians go from $15k to $30k in wages, it's "better" than one American losing their $200k job from a global utility maximizing perspective.
Of course by this analogy increasing supply of babies (ala what Africa is still leading on) is the easiest way to get "votes" in the world.
"Line Go Up" mentality is literally destroying the inhabitability of the planet, and is causing the greatest wealth inequality in the history of the human species.
How is that even relevant? You’re literally arguing that American lives are more important than Indian lives. Which isn’t necessarily bad, it’s all about perspective. But just because a company hires out of India instead of America doesn’t mean there can’t be net good. This isn’t pure “line go up” mentality.
Yeah man it’s destroying everything it’s ruining lives it’s killing the economy. The world is over because we moved some customer service to India. See how crazy that sounds?
I’ve never had a customer service experience that was even decent when the person on the other line was Indian and could barely speak English outside of understanding basic words and using a script.
I have a problem with illiteracy and stupid people that don’t read and then comprehend what they’re reading.
Or maybe your a low level AA management lackey that comes here to show everyone that you’re a bootlicker.
Likely it’s both.
The guys in India are most risk of being replaced by AI. One American engineer working side by side with AI will replace 5 then 10 then 20 offshore resource. Why would you deal with time zones, culture difference, language problems, poor quality and so on when you don’t have to. The scale to make it worth the cost will be gone.
Yeah, and they probably needed 5 people to do your job...effectively costing the company more money when projects take twice as long to complete, and US based IT managers are committing fraud to keep their offshore team on the books.
The new outsourced company is owned by AAG. If the graph doesn’t go up for AAG then this move doesn’t really make the executive’s stock more valuable. It’s about cutting costs so the graph can hopefully go up and shareholders (of which all the directors and above are) can hopefully make more money.
Why can’t it be both? The only reason why AI is blowing up now is because someone told C suite it would wipe out labor. Now billions are being poured into it because how nice would it be to have AI just do all the labor and they can own everything
They’re the only people who will take the jobs *at that price*. It’s why globalization for all of its benefits is a race to the bottom, and the lowest bidders win in the sense that they get the contract…but lose in the sense that they’ve now undercut expectations for pay globally.
is it too soon to introduce horseshoe theory on this? But instead of actual communism, it’s gonna end up as a handful of oligarchs ruling over the impoverished masses? The consumer employee lol. We’re basically on the fast track back to feudalism at this rate.
It’s like early stage China. It is bad initially but you also lifting India out of poverty and once their own homegrown economy demands quality we will get better workers but also lose the cheap labor. Inflation will go up and wars will start cuz we end up with no cheap labor left in the world.
Please...at this rate there are plenty of Americans that would take that $40k+ benefits to keep their heads above water, and tons of college grads who can't find work but would benefit from having those companies on their resume, even with the lower pay.
As an Indian, I saw this coming from a mile away.
Infact, I'd written a post about it here last month
[https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/s/aVb4T67ehN](https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/s/aVb4T67ehN)
You can alternatively read the post here
[https://jmp.sh/mMaN3AfH](https://jmp.sh/mMaN3AfH)
"Caste" has a lot to do with it.
There is a reason he fired all those Indian H1Bs too.
Jayaraman doesn't just want control, he wants to be **worshipped.**
And he just took all your jobs back to his kingdom.
Now he can hire all his fellow caste cronies to serve beside him while you guys keep living in your bubble thinking Casteism (and its effects) don't exist in America.
Side note: "Jayaraman" is a **Upper Caste Brahmin**
Can’t compete with what? Subpar customer service? The inability to speak English or even understand it? Maybe you’re referring to the rampant sexual assaults that go on over there! No no it’s go to be the fact that outside of outsourcing cheap and shit labor (not even referring to how it smells over there which it smells like flaming dog shit) the fact that it has the MOST scammers to the point where it’s basically an enterprise? Yeah go fuck youtself and your dogshit country hope it gets glassed
It’s not even just the outsourcing to be completely honest. In my experience in tech here it’s been about a 50/50 crap shoot with my coworkers from India, they are all incredibly book smart, but for about half, when it comes to implementation it seems to be a bit of a hang up. Like if the job tasks aren’t written out for them step by step they can’t figure it out, there’s a technical knowledge but no understanding of how to implement that technical knowledge to the point where I don’t know how some of them got the jobs they got. Like 10 years of experience and roles ahead of me yet 5 years behind me in capabilities. I don’t know if there are some cultural hang ups or something that lead to this but my Indian co workers that are more integrated into the US and so much better and actually incredible at their job.
It’s mostly fraud. The supposed education and experience is bogus.
They’re sent to boot camps for few weeks and land a position through agencies that take percentage of their salary.
I completely agree on the tasks needing to be written step by step. It's like there's no problem solving capabilities outside of the steps. Makes it really hard to really handoff tasks that sometimes require more ad hoc things.
My company is temporarily hiring an accounting firm from India to basically provide us with additional assistance because we are backlogged on work due to being understaffed for a year, and one thing they told us right away is you have to be explicit with every step you want the team in India to do.
And I feel like at a certain point, writing out all the steps on how to do a certain task is more work than doing it yourself, and at least I can be reasonably confident in the output
That last point puts it very well why when we got Indian contractors before it slowed everything down, not to mention having to start working at 8am and coming in immediately to a slew of questions that took up the next couple of hours of my day, so as a manager I got my day cut shorter on top of having 2 people blocked for hours sitting on their hands until the American team came in. I'm all for global teams and having self sufficient teams in India, if they hire good people and not cheap shitty contractors that have no personal interest in the product.
Absolutely correct on your last point. No one on my team wants to work with them because having them on a project doesn’t take away from our work load at all, it only adds to it.
Completely agree on your last paragraph. It's just easier to do it myself because I know I have looked over everything. They're too used to just checking off tasks, quantity over quality.
They have very rigorous schools and teach to the exam. Cheating is also very rampant. So many of them don't actually get to learn to apply the knowledge they have.
Had an Indian professor tell me it was very common and almost expected for students to cheat over there.
Then proceeds to give us exams on stuff we didn't cover.
How many cycles of extreme austerity/cost-cutting do American/international conglomerates need to go through before they realize it just costs more in the long-run? Or is it always just about next quarter's profits?
Here’s how it works
- CEO 1 leaves or gets fired.
- CEO 2 comes in with a fat hiring bonus and nice contract if they deliver results.
- CEO 2 cuts, debases, cheapens, and burns through goodwill in order to show a year or so of increased profits
- Eventually the company starts to have poor performance and CEO 2 is fired, but their golden parachute ensures that they leave with millions in pocket
- CEO 3 comes in. Sometimes they turn it around, sometimes they don’t
- Private Equity comes in, leverages the company to the tits, then scraps it and sells it for parts
The quality of work is straight-up trash because they don't care much bc they're underpaid, regulations are harder to enforce, and a lot of these workers aren't as skilled as they present themselves to be. You would think that people would look at being and learn that offshoring isn't what it's cracked up to be.
You are correct. But most engineers hear alarm bells from the grammar errors in the emails alone, but there's no convincing nepo baby coke heads that sees dollar signs.
The fucking grammar errors 🤣
One of the obvious signs of an Indian made website is stupid grammar and spelling errors and other lack of attention to detail that made it through their non existent QA process
Manufacturing used to be the middle class. Then it got offshored to China.
IT became the new middle class. But it’s been getting offshored to India.
It’s the death of the middle class.
I’ve worked with offshore resources for almost 2 decades now, and I’ve had to adjust my expectations on what a senior software engineer is (hint: it’s a junior coder). The C-suite sees the short term cost savings with going offshore, but do not realize the long term negative impact; or maybe they do and they don’t care because they will be long gone by then.
Yes but the difference in manufacturing is that it wasn’t Chinese nationals coming in on an H1B to be the COO.
These guys will make a few mill, then fuck off back to a mansion in Pune or Hyderabad.
I also used to think this was a hot take, but turns out it’s pretty true. I interviewed for a job recently and all signs pointed to me getting the offer. But when I asked the guy who referred me, he told me that some Indian guy decided to take the offer for a lower pay rate than I would’ve gotten. It’s a pretty sucky situation to be in, especially fresh out of college.
And Texas thinks it won't happen here because the bended knee. Shits fucked everywhere, and it's only getting worse.
Doesn't matter who you vote for, they're all money hungry cunts, and your job isn't worth shit to them.
If you vote down any party lines, you fucked up. Gotta be smarter than that.
I have seen Indian leaders in many companies doing this so many times and I fully agree with the subpar quality Indian offshore centers produce. Their attrition is also very high. Indians flock to IT though they don’t love it. If you see Indians in leadership positions in USA, run or make them leave!
Yeah it is a cycle now. New CEO/CIO says we can offshore to one of the do it all Indian companies. Fails. Another CEO/CIO comes in and brings it back to onshore. Cycle repeats. Management always has to shuffle deck chairs on the Titanic.
I know some people over there and apparently over 200 people have already been laid off for the India office. With their CTO lying the entire time about it.
100% true. They are going product by product and firing 25% of staff. Not even based on skill or seniority, just randomly. They are even firing management in these waves.
Keep in mind the products they are doing this to are already understaffed even before these cuts.
Its not random. I know a group who only one they kept was Indian. He had the least seniority in that group. Surprised they don’t get sued as they are a huge DEI shop and this looks like discrimination based on race.
It's true.
They're doing it in waves, so they bypass the WARN act. The people whose teams are getting offshored are having to sign NDAs, which is why it's difficult to hear anything about it, but this was announced almost a year ago without any details until recently. This has been the plan since mid-2022 when they hired their current CIO to replace the retiring CIO.
Many senior leaders in the org in the IT side left over the last 2 years once they found out that they either need to go along with this or lose their job.
American Airlines is only truly American on the operations side. A significant percentage of the corporate, IT, and support staff have either been outsourced or will be within the next 2 years. I wouldn't be surprised with the next round of union contracts that they will start offshoring a majority of their maintenance like other global airlines have started doing.
If this presidential administration is really about protecting American jobs, they need to do something ASAP.
My original point was not questioning the veracity of the claim. Rather, it was that the account in the screenshot appears to be a deeply untrustworthy conspiracy theorist. Sometimes people like that post things that are at least a little bit true, but it is always in service of an agenda and it's irresponsible to amplify them.
Like, is any of this new information? As you mention, the CIO has been in his job for over two years. The first round of customer support layoffs were pretty well reported last year. The fact that they opened an IT hub in Hyderabad was a little bit underreported, but that's probably because "huge American company with little competition in an unregulated environment seeks to outsource jobs to improve its bottom line" is not that interesting a story. Is this really a "bombshell tip?"
The only part that does interest me is the thing about getting around the WARN act. Are they not providing 60 days notice to the people they're laying off?
I say all of this as an outsider who pays little attention to the airline industry and finds AA seats to be very uncomfortable!
They are providing notice, but I don’t think they’re required to report in WARN without a layoff of at least 50 employees and more than a third of employees at a site (or greater than 500). AA has thousands of employees in Dallas with IT teams spread across cities. The cuts are likely low enough to be under the WARN requirements mentioned, especially with a staggered approach.
Donald Trump and Elon Musk aren’t going to do anything about this except support it. They’ve been pretty open about loving H1B labor and it’s not going to stop under their leadership. How anybody got the idea they care about the American workers is beyond me, wishcasting I guess.
Bain is also a part of this. Ganesh used Bain at John Deere which is where AA poached him from. Rinse. Repeat. Must be a good money maker for both parties.
It seems highly unlikely they would. You're talking about an administration that loves shareholders and hates consumers, doing this benefits shareholders in the near term, so they won't do shit. Hell they'll probably help them do more of it if it means they can make more $$$ on AA stock in the process.
Remember this is the same subreddit that said there was an active shooter at the cheerleader convention and there was a tornado in Dallas this morning.
It's absolutely true. I worked at AA for a few years and still have friends working there. 2 weeks ago they laid off 30% of my old team to be replaced by Indian workers.
Just got off a 'Customer Service' call with an American Airlines rep - obviously in India.
Terrible, reprehensible "service."
Incompetent, unprepared, combative, and useless.
When you see an Indian CTO, a company’s IT better get ready to look for new jobs cus outsourcing to India will happen. That’s the main reason why he is hired in the first place.
I was lucky in that when my company got an Indian CTO, they were pushed out within a year for what I can only assume was that they wanted to offshore (the other C-suiters are all lifers who didn't want to stand by and watch that CTO flush the company down the toilet).
I was lucky in that when my company got an Indian CTO, they were pushed out within a year (probably since the other C-suiters are "lifers" who didn't want to stand by and watch that CTO flush the company down the toilet).
In my case it was a new Indian CEO, but the result was the same. I was told we'd all be laid off in 6 months, and if we wanted our deference, we had to stay and train our replacements.
It sounds like an opportunity for an actually useful tariff - tip the scales towards hiring skilled Americans...
Instead we get to have our imports from our neighbors cost more.
This is just false info. I'm not sure if you're in I.T. or not but there has been enough cases opposite of what you're saying to refute that notion.
Tech workers are use to not taking crap from their boss, while having a salary that can afford a nice upper middle class lifestyle.
CEO's do not want that. They want nice little slaves that they can control and dictate every detail of their life, and Indians are the perfect bioweapon to do that given how extremely shitty life is in their country.
No, every major corporation is setting up HUBs in India so they don’t have to sponsor anymore. I visited West India: Pune and etc, a couple of months ago, the growth from 10yrs ago to today is night and day. Think New York skyscrapers and Texas construction on steroids. In the large cities in India, there construction going on as far as the eye can see, both residential and commercial.
Commented above, I work in big tech and with a lot of H1-B's. H1-B's make the exact same comp that American workers do.
What they do not have is employment mobility. Changing jobs is a laborious process for people here on H1-B's, so they tend to put up with longer hours and a more negative work environment.
No they don't. This website has actual salaries of the positions and you can tell they're grossly underpaid -
https://h1bdata.info/index.php?em=american+airlines&job=&city=&year=2024
I'm afraid not. Americans usually make 50% more. If you disagree with the statement, I encourage you to look for a higher paying job. You are being underpaid.
I work in big tech, but I'm also aware of what non-tech companies pay for similar roles.
* Associate developers on H1B, per h1bdata: $93K
* Associate developers broadly, per employee submitted salaries: [78K-102K](https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/American-Airlines-Associate-Developer-Salaries-E8_D_KO18,37.htm)
* Various analyst roles on H1B, per h1bdata: 87K
* Various analyst roles broadly, per employee submitted salaries: [68-96K](https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/American-Airlines-Associate-Developer-Salaries-E8_D_KO18,37.htm)
* Manager, IT roles on H1B, per h1bdata: 134K-144K
* Manager, IT roles broadly, per employee submitted salaries: [102K-139K](https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/American-Airlines-Associate-Developer-Salaries-E8_D_KO18,37.htm)
Or, take a look at levels.fyi: https://www.levels.fyi/companies/american-airlines/salaries/software-engineer?country=254
Hmmm...Associate developers....these are entry level positions. Why do these h1b applications even exist when so many American CS graduates are struggling to find jobs. All of these salaries listed are on the low side.
Those are average salaries for a new CS grad. Not everyone works in big tech.
In fact, given that Dallas is not a major tech hub, it’s likely a high salary for the area. UT Dallas reports average salary of $74K for their CS grads.
H1-B is not cheap labor. H1-B requires companies to provide US worker compensation information and offers to H1-B workers need to be equivalent to workers in the US.
The reason companies love H1-B is because it handcuffs employees to them. Leaving the company because significantly harder when you need to find a new employer that is willing to sponsor you or you need to go back to your home country.
It’s pretty easy to get around that pay requirement. Post a job with specific skills that American personnel need years of education and experience to fulfill. Then post it with a salary low enough that none of them would accept. The position doesn’t get filled and here comes the H1B worker happily taking on that position since his education cost and living expenses are much lower. A massive American company like AT&T whose tech department is already majority Indian, they are building schools and infrastructure in India to have a pipeline of cheap Indian labor while they cut American employees en masse. The worst thing about COVID was it proved business could still be run with a large portion of workers working remotely. Now we get to watch American tech companies hire remote workers from cheaper labor pools as they shed higher cost American labor.
That doesn't work for numerous reasons.
1. There's a hard limit to the number of H1B's issued every year, and no guarantees that your H1B's will be renewed, so you can't rely on them for your entire organization.
2. There's a not insignificant burden for the employer to prove that they're paying the prevailing wage for the position in question. And it's publicly verifiable, since H1B data is public information.
For example, that massive American company like [AT&T has all of their H1B base salaries posted](https://h1bdata.info/index.php?em=at%26t+services+inc&job=&city=&year=2024). You can plainly see that they're not paying "salaries low enough that none of them would accept".
The second part of your response is outsourcing, which is not really relevant to H1B, but is also not anything new. Companies have been outsourcing and insourcing back and forth for 20 years.
I’m not an expert on H1B reporting, and I agree that their pay has to be reasonable. But if I’m a company, I’d just require those positions be posted in low CoL areas, where there is limited talent available. For example, AT&T is consolidating its workforce down to GA and TX.
Also, here’s a scenario I’m copy and pasting. Does this not seem like an issue that abuses H1B to cut labor costs??
“Now comes offshoring and usage of H1-B in it. Lets say ABC has 10 employees working on an IT maintenance work, which can be easily handled by someone sitting remotely. So ABC gives XYZ a contract to offshore work of 10 employees. In turn XYZ proposes a model that they will provide one H1-B at ABC’s location and 9 working remotely from offshore. For 1 H1-B XYZ charges $80/hrs and for 9 offshore employees $30–35/hrs. Now overall, both ABC and XYZ benefits from this, but 10 ABC employees loose their jobs (or gets displaced to other positions), and poor H1-B person gets all blames and curses :):). This is what happened with Disney employees.”
> I’m not an expert on H1B reporting, and I agree that their pay has to be reasonable. But if I’m a company, I’d just require those positions be posted in low CoL areas, where there is limited talent available. For example, AT&T is consolidating its workforce down to GA and TX.
Most large companies don’t have market specific salary bands to that extent. They’re broken up into MCOL, LCOL, and HCOL. Hiring a worker in Austin, Dallas, or Atlanta is the same bands as Chicago, DC, Philly, or Seattle. It’s generally only SF and NYC that get appreciably higher salary bands
> “Now comes offshoring and usage of H1-B in it. Let’s say ABC has 10 employees working on an IT maintenance work, which can be easily handled by someone sitting remotely. So ABC gives XYZ a contract to offshore work of 10 employees. In turn XYZ proposes a model that they will provide one H1-B at ABC’s location and 9 working remotely from offshore. For 1 H1-B XYZ charges $80/hrs and for 9 offshore employees $30–35/hrs. Now overall, both ABC and XYZ benefits from this, but 10 ABC employees loose their jobs (or gets displaced to other positions), and poor H1-B person gets all blames and curses :):). This is what happened with Disney employees.”
That’s just offshoring with extra steps.
> Edit: I’m assuming firms can be used in hiring H1B workers instead of just direct hiring. But again, I’m not an expert.
They can, but it’s no different than any other contractor agreement.
[Tesla replaced laid off US workers](https://electrek.co/2024/12/30/tesla-replaced-laid-off-us-workers-with-foreign-workers-using-h-1b-visas-that-musk-want-to-increase/) with foreign workers using H1B visas. Similar tactics were used for mass layoffs at Twitter, which set the stage for a huge tech layoff across the US that’s still ongoing.
Executing massive industry layoffs while keeping the most vulnerable (H1B) is definitely going to suppress wages. Look at engineer pay over the last 10-15 years. In many cases pay hasn’t kept up with inflation, while American education costs have only increased. During this same period, American tech companies utilized hiring practices (including H1B) to increase demographics in favor of foreign workers. I think you’re being naive if you don’t think corporations are utilizing the H1B program to suppress the cost of labor at the expense of the American worker.
Did you honestly think I wouldn’t read the link you posted? Here’s some snippets…
1. “However, there was no evidence to confirm or deny the claim that Tesla filled the positions vacated by laid-off workers with new employees on H-1B visas.”
2. “Tesla had been using the country’s H-1B program to hire workers years before the layoffs. However, between Oct. 1, 2023, and Sept. 30, 2024 — a government fiscal year, the most recent data available and a time period that covered the layoffs — **the company filed more applications than any other previous year on record.**”
3. “The rumor is impossible to confirm without information from Tesla. Specifically, the claim assumes without evidence that the layoffs affected U.S.-born workers and not H-1B visa workers, and that new H-1B visa workers were specifically hired after the layoff to fill the recently vacated positions.“
4. “Snopes has reached out to Tesla and Musk for their responses to accusations that the company hired people with H-1B visas to “replace” employees who were laid off, and we have not received responses. We will update this article if that changes.”
you started with 100 citizens and 10 h1bs. you fire half your company 50 citizens and 5 h1bs. few days later you hire 25 citizens and 2 h1bs. did the 2 h1bs replace the 50 citizens?
you are looking at limited data and immediately assuming the worst possible outcome based on your on prejudice. that is not how science works.
the obvious implication of the data is that they fired a lot of people and immediately after hired a bunch of people. this includes both citizens and h1bs. they fired a lot of h1bs as well, and we have zero evidence to conclude that the proportion was different for either category
the claim that they replaced citizens with h1bs is definitely a lie, based on the available data.
You blatantly lied about what was in the link you posted. Now you want to me read your make believe scenario, and trust that over a reputable news source.
Hard pass.
> there was no evidence to confirm or deny the claim that Tesla filled the positions vacated by laid-off workers with new employees on H-1B visas.”
therefore, the claim is a lie.
If it was a “lie” or false, then that’s what snopes would say. Instead they made points that could support either conclusion and reached out (unsuccessfully) to the company in question for further clarification. Now I’m going to block you for being dumb af in addition to lying.
Did you honestly think I wouldn’t read the link you posted? Here’s some snippets…
1. “However, there was no evidence to confirm or deny the claim that Tesla filled the positions vacated by laid-off workers with new employees on H-1B visas.”
2. “Tesla had been using the country’s H-1B program to hire workers years before the layoffs. However, between Oct. 1, 2023, and Sept. 30, 2024 — a government fiscal year, the most recent data available and a time period that covered the layoffs — the company filed more applications than any other previous year on record.”
3. “The rumor is impossible to confirm without information from Tesla. Specifically, the claim assumes without evidence that the layoffs affected U.S.-born workers and not H-1B visa workers, and that new H-1B visa workers were specifically hired after the layoff to fill the recently vacated positions.“
4. “Snopes has reached out to Tesla and Musk for their responses to accusations that the company hired people with H-1B visas to “replace” employees who were laid off, and we have not received responses. We will update this article if that changes.”
At first I thought we were having an informative discussion around the subject, but it’s clear you are willing to lie instead of learn. Feel free to disprove any parts of the elektrek.co article I posted. If not, go waste someone else’s time with misinformation.
If you actually read the link you posted, they laid off 14,000 workers in Q1 and requested 750 new H1B’s in Q3/Q4.
There is a hard cap of 65,000 H1B’s each year. There are 9.5M people working in the tech sector. It’s not possible AT ALL in the current environment to do mass layoffs and replace with H1B.
Here’s what I said.
“ [Tesla replaced laid off US workers](https://electrek.co/2024/12/30/tesla-replaced-laid-off-us-workers-with-foreign-workers-using-h-1b-visas-that-musk-want-to-increase/) with foreign workers using H1B visas. Similar tactics were used for mass layoffs at Twitter, which set the stage for a huge tech layoff across the US that’s still ongoing. Executing massive industry layoffs while keeping the most vulnerable (H1B) is definitely going to suppress wages. “
Nothing you replied with disputes that. I never claimed ALL tech layoffs were being replaced with H1B. It’s factual that some were replaced H1B, and Some h1b’s were unaffected. I’m claiming, that the h1b program is being abused by US companies to suppress wages of American labor. You seem to disagree with that and I’d like to see you make a sound argument supporting that. Everything else is a distraction.
It’s not PC but this is how I believe they were able to outpace so many groups in terms of earnings especially in STEM positions in the US. East Asians are a little bit better but let an Indian get into a position of power and soon, the entire group is Indian. It’s clearly discrimination and it’s horrible.
More like nepotism. They hire coworkers who loyal to them and not the company. So if you have a problem with one, you have a problem with them all. Some are qualified but most are nepo hire at hire rates.
I’m going to be lying if I don’t see some nepotism with other groups but in the corporate world, it’s Indian take it next level.
And tribal knowledge of the systems which leads to a drop in customer satisfaction and god help anyone new customers that are about to start new deployments or upgrades
Been there done that. Trained Infosys’ Bangalore Bunglers (“Kindly do the very needful.” head bobble, head bobble) for six months. Collected $20k severance. Two weeks later I was hired back as a contractor for double pay, then as an employee round 2. Finally a second $25k severance. It pays to be info sec sme with deep institutional knowledge.
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If I never get another email asking me to kindly do the needful again, it'll still be too soon.
The Infosys guy I was supposed to train complained to his company that I couldn't train him because I was a woman, and therefore inferior. I have never been more glad to leave a job, because damn that guy was dumb. (Supposed expert, claimed to have a computer science degree from an Indian university, somehow managed to wedge a USB thumb drive into the ethernet port. I wish I had taken a photo of that...)
They made mild grumblings about hiring me for some consulting after, but they never did. But the few co-workers that stayed around always had horrible things to say about the way things were going after most of us left.
The sad thing is the actual guys we were training, I rather liked on a personal level. They were really funny, and very nice. They just didn't know all the technical things they needed to know to do our job. They kind of got thrown under the bus themselves by their bosses.
I left for another job without training my replacement and a year later they fired everyone involved in the outsourcing since they were crashing and burning.
I was hired to work for an Indian-owned engineering firm for an accounting/finance position and I wasn’t even allowed to do anything.
All the invoicing and purchase orders were processed in India and all the financial records held there as well. I literally forwarded a few emails a day, and did fuck all for 2 years since the position was totally remote too.
Perfect job for a mom. Didn’t have to do squat and didn’t have to go anywhere either. Sometimes I wonder if it was all a drug front. 😂🤷🏽♀️
Thankfully that at least didn't happen to us. I had been there for over 15 years, and they had had us stay past the end of the fiscal year, so we got our bonus payout along with our severance.
Not AA but another large company and almost half of my team is being laid off and replaced with outsourced Indian contractors so my team grows 50% at the end of the day, except now we have a tiny team having to keep the same work load while spending the ~year to train basically jr engineers skill wise, because the problem isn't that they hired people in India, the problem is they filled seats as cheaply as possible. I have people from India on my team, smart people and awesome employees, but the ones they send us to hire from India are dumb as bricks because they got some certifications and copy pasted work for for a few years. If you are paying 1/5 of the costs for labor you will get 1/5 of the quality of work. It's as much a capitalist issue because the Indian CTOs are also exploiting Indian labor.
I have worked with good and bad outsourced contractors. It’s always a mix bag on who you’ll get.
I think US workers will be less pissed if the offshore was done to supplement onshore or replace workers who leave by natural attrition. Then offshore can be integrated slowly and confidently. But that doesn’t make the stock price go to the moon.
There’s an insane amount of cheating with certs. Too many use brain dumps then add the certs to their resume but fail the technical interview because they didn’t learn anything at all. It’s a headache
I was replaced by two Indian admins. I ran into one of my old coworkers about a year later and they had absolutely nothing good to say about my replacements. This person was one of the direct contacts with IT as well.
Oh man. Just wait until you hear that the entire US Financial system (top 5 largest US Financial companies) now has Indians and insane offshoring (no clue how they get around that for security / compliance concerns especially with the level of access they are given and some of these companies don’t even honor US law).
It’s discerning to now hear our entire Transportation system is now also being controlled by Foreign entities, while our current administration is too busy chasing after Social Media apps. I just hope we don’t ever make India or any of these other countries mad since they now control a majority of US infrastructure via their workers. I have no clue how this isn’t a huge national security concern.
YEP. Just witnessed this happen at a local Dallas startup. The company slowly went from 150 employees (all USA based), to now 1000+ and roughly 80% from India. They used to pay their entry level techs $60k, but now pay the India based ones $5k. The exchange rates are insane.
As an Indian, I saw this coming from a mile away.
Infact, I'd written a post about it here last month
[https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/s/aVb4T67ehN](https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/s/aVb4T67ehN)
You can alternatively read the post here
[https://jmp.sh/mMaN3AfH](https://jmp.sh/mMaN3AfH)
"Caste" has a lot to do with it.
There is a reason he fired all those Indian H1Bs too.
Jayaraman doesn't just want control, he wants to be **worshipped.**
And he just took all your jobs back to his kingdom.
Now he can hire all his fellow caste cronies to serve beside him while you guys keep living in your bubble thinking Casteism (and its effects) don't exist in America.
Side note: "Jayaraman" is a **Upper Caste Brahmin**
That’s crazy. First time I heard of anyone mentioning caste with offshore, but it makes sense now. I had an Indian coworker was very nervous when offshore were hinted.
I think most non-Indians like myself don’t understand how deep the caste bias goes.
Indian executives in general are a problem on this front - they’re brought in to do the dirty work of selling out all labor possible to India - keep calling them out and name dropping the companies moving roles offshore!
While I know this does happen, let's not pretend it's only when an Indian becomes CTO. India and Philippines are cheaper, period. That's all CEOs of any race care about.
Can confirm. New Indian CEO at a company I was connected to did the same. Called a few of my industry peers (all Indian) to replace existing executive team and wanted all of tech outsourced within 12 months.
Indian CTOs either offshore everything or hire every H1B they can get their hands on.
Modern Slavery or Outsourcing. Take your pick.
I'm sure he has a beautiful huge house in Frisco!
This wouldn’t have been the case if American companies dint use their dollar dominance to kill businesses and business owners in third world countries and make them IT employees for these companies.
My company used to have an Indian CIO and it was almost all contractors from India. We recently got an Air Force veteran in that role, and now it’s 80% full timers from here. No visas or sponsorships for those positions.
They were against offshore factory jobs and bringing those back as red meat to the base. Manufacturing jobs can't easily return without decades of investment, and he wants them back in industries that we don't even have the resources to sustain them large scale.
High paid technical jobs are totally fine to cut. Silicone valley billionaires would be happy to get a shifty, monopoly product for cheaper labor that everyone will still have to put up with.
I suspect you know this already, but for anyone passing through that is under the impression that Trump is against offshoring jobs, you are being lied to:
https://www.reuters.com/business/how-offshoring-rolled-along-under-trump-who-vowed-stop-it-2021-01-19/
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2020-10-22/supply-chains-latest-the-hard-data-on-trump-s-offshoring-record
If he was against offshoring jobs, he would have done something by now, or at least verbally indicated he was going to do something. Trump likes himself and money. If you can’t help him or get him rich, you might as well Ättestupa. It’s all the same to him.
As an Indian, I saw this coming from a mile away.
Infact, I'd written a post about it here last month
[https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/s/aVb4T67ehN](https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/s/aVb4T67ehN)
You can alternatively read the post here
[https://jmp.sh/mMaN3AfH](https://jmp.sh/mMaN3AfH)
"Caste" has a lot to do with it.
There is a reason he fired all those Indian H1Bs too.
Jayaraman doesn't just want control, he wants to be **worshipped.**
And he just took all your jobs back to his kingdom.
Now he can hire all his fellow caste cronies to serve beside him while you guys keep living in your bubble thinking Casteism (and its effects) don't exist in America.
Side note: "Jayaraman" is a **Upper Caste Brahmin**
My friend just got laid off and they're outsourcing to his bosses old team in India. I told him to get his resume ready as soon as he mentioned he got a new Indian boss.
Bruh even pizza shops are doing this. They outsource their order intake to India. It's actually insane that I can't call and talk to someone at the damn store, but instead have to order a pizza from someone in an entirely different country lol
Not really. I can walk the airport terminal and if I see an earlier flight on a different airline that saves me 1-3 hours. I’ll just swipe my card and step into thethe plane.
Most people will but I’ve actually stopped. My policy now is if United/Delta/Southwest have nonstop service to my destination, I’ll favor them over AA, regardless of fare hike - I’m getting reimbursed anyway. I’m almost at the point of accepting connections to avoid AA altogether. This was before this post - I hate them for their consistent lack of reliability.
This of course doesn’t cover personal travel but that’s the minority anyway. Most travel is business oriented and most workers know how to cheat their booking tool to get the flight they want, purchasing rules be damned.
What they have is called a “hub” and its far from a ‘monopoly’ lmao. There’s literally another airline HQ here with Southwest. You’re free to take literally any other major carrier - they *all* serve Dallas.
Sure, but it can be extremely difficult to find some of the other carriers. My frustration is that there seems to be less competitive pricing at a place like DFW than where I used to live in Austin
Are you serious? Bro you have so many options in DFW. You are at one of the largest and most efficient hubs *in the world*. But you think it’s worse than - I’m sorry - Austin?!
This is laughable.
No, it's not laughable. It was my experience that if I took an international trip starting from Austin, I had more choice and better pricing due to being equidistant from DFW and Houston. That's the real benefit of Austin.
I was able to fly cheaper to Australia due to the choice of Air New Zealand and United through Houston instead of being forced to use AA and Qantas from DFW. Likewise because I frequently fly to Japan, it was nice having the choice between ANA+United via Houston and JAL+AA via DFW. Those tickets were consistently cheaper than what I've found out of DFW.
It all comes down to the airline pricing schemes.
Why does being in Dallas prevent you from connecting in Houston if you want to? You still have the choice, but if you chose DFW your travel time is reduced by an hour. How inconvenient.
I'm glad I left that shit show. I'd rather be destitute than be in that "tech" environment. I'm not surprised this is happening. I don't want to be a software engineer anymore, I have no more passion for it. What a waste of so much of my time and mental state. I could have been spending that time helping people in need or anything else besides maximizing profits for a company that contributes so much pollution at large scale ( hurting people ) and harmful psychological manipulation at an individual scale ( hurting people ). Fuck all of it, all of the meaningless bullshit in the name of more money. I was a means to an end, an underpaid one at that.
So why aren’t MAGAs going apeshit over stuff like this? They love culture war catnip but can’t be bothered when thousands of hard working Americans are being thrown out of work so those positions can be sent overseas. If MAGA means anything, they should pressure companies to keep jobs in the US of A.
Simple really. Tariffs/taxes on company's that offshore more than a certain percent of their workforce. No tax breaks, just tax penalties. Also Trump should call them out for betraying American workers while at the same time trying to profit off of Americans.
I would like to see him do this to ALL offshoring companies. And tax out tarrif offshoring agencies into the ground.
Well… that’s unfortunate. Looks like that guy’s Red hat means he voted for unregulated capitalism.
It was supposed to be the other way around right? The White guy was supposed to get the job and the colored guy was supposed to lose everything. /s
They already offloaded a ton of IT to India, they also outsource most of their IT to contractor companies. Also, the main IT hub is in Tulsa. I’ve sold to their IT teams for years. Most of the IT in Dallas is for HQ and the airport, those jobs will stay. Tulsa will be hit the hardest.
Man the arrogance is astounding. The fact that you have people willing to clean up your failing institution and yet finger point at them for fixing the very same thing you broke? Yeah y’all are salty and full of shit.
Lol.
I honestly admire the unabashed cronyism. Seen this story play out a few times in my career. Department will look a lot different in about a year or two and centers in Bangalore will be opened. Seems to be a cycle. Tech debt piles up and things start to go to shit. New non Indian leader comes in, jobs come back home and the Bangalore office slowly disappears. Millions wasted and rinse and repeat lol
The CIO works for American Airlines who everyone is criticizing. He also happens to be Indian. Criticizing him is criticizing the company.
He's doing a shitty thing and allegedly something wildly immoral that is a conflict of interest. Are you saying we shouldn't criticize him because he's Indian?
It was not the CIO’s decision. It was the board’s and the entire ET, following McKinsey and Bain recommendations. To suggest it was the CIO’s idea because he’s Indian is what’s immoral.
Offshoring is sure fine, but isn't the allegation that he is offshoring to his own company in Hyderabad?
Sure it is an allegation but if true would certainly be a huge conflict of interest
Just to post the facts rather than a made up allegation, if you do any sort of research (i.e., read their 10-K), the offshored company is a subsidiary of AAG. So, no, this isn’t a conflict of interest.
Offshoring sucks and this move by AA is not something I support, but to suggest the CIO did this to enrich himself through a company he owns is completely false. To suggest he did this because he is Indian is immoral.
Where is there any proof that the offshored company is owned by the CIO? All I can see is your comment that offshoring is shitty and “allegedly an immoral conflict of interest”
Because blaming AA directly is calling out American greed with both our demands for high profits but also low costs. Rather just be racist towards the people trying to make a living.
Lol “calling out” the free market. We can’t afford to not buy the cheapest flight. The airlines are legally obligated to act in the most profitable way possible. Having awful costumer service won’t prevent someone from buying a fight on kayak.
It's a poor translation of "do the task that needs to be done."
Our IT got outsourced to India and a tech told my my computer needed an update and "kindly do the needful." I straight up told him/her that I had no idea what that meant.
To me it means, I barely understand what is going on but I know something needs to be done. I don't know what that something is so please do what needs to be done.
Moving companies to states like Texas with low to zero taxes is a huge blow to the American Dream. It's why we don't have nice things, like affordable healthcare for all.
I wonder how American consumers feel about "American" Airlines once again shipping jobs overseas. Don't we have enough scheduling and safety issues now without moving tech 13 hours away?
The same happened to me at another company. CTO went to India, came back, and the whole engineering squad in the US was dissolved. Meanwhile, the company kept preaching things were peachy yada, yada, yada, then surprise - layoffs left and right.
Unlike the UK international airline BA, AA has well functioning IT
You can say goodbye to this when it is offshored to India. Be prepared for apps that don´t work and websites that are functionally useless. BA is the perfect example.
God help us. The BA website has been a disaster for at least fifteen years. The app is useless. The only upside is that you can use that dysfunction as a cover to sneak past fees from time to time.
As an Indian, I saw this coming from a mile away.
Infact, I'd written a post about it here last month
[https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/s/aVb4T67ehN](https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/s/aVb4T67ehN)
You can alternatively read the post here
[https://jmp.sh/mMaN3AfH](https://jmp.sh/mMaN3AfH)
"Caste" has a lot to do with it.
There is a reason he fired all those Indian H1Bs too.
Jayaraman doesn't just want control, he wants to be **worshipped.**
And he just took all your jobs back to his kingdom.
Now he can hire all his fellow caste cronies to serve beside him while you guys keep living in your bubble thinking Casteism (and its effects) don't exist in America.
Side note: "Jayaraman" is a **Upper Caste Brahmin**
It seems like every few years you hear of a major company doing this, and then a couple of years later they're shifting everything back after it's a huge disaster.
Cost savings can be 10-cents and they'd do it. Chickens are raised here, killed, sent to China where they're plucked, sent back to the US because some MBA figured out they could save 2-cents per chicken.
Sadly it probably will not because people will just complain and then just put up with it, same as when we lost manufacturing jobs to cheaper countries.
Lol It'll be more expensive flights no matter what what are you smoking that you think it'll mean cheaper flights? Like seriously is it an upper or a downer cuz you are completely divorced from reality
I used to work at the Bank in operations and I remembered I was invited to a town hall meeting with our COO. One of the main topics was the stability and security of data since he a tremendous amount of Indian workers. If communication stopped with all of our Indian coworkers, would we be able to function.
The outsourcing has gotten out of control. Anyone who has worked on an IT team, knows that it isn't even cost effective. The IT lead at my firm keeps everyone on payroll in India whether they are working or not. Often charges months' worth of work to projects just to make sure his offshore team in employed.
The tech org affected is much broader than that. This includes maybe even more importantly the tech employees who write the software at the company for a MAJOR global airline.
I can't speak for IT but our whole team was axed by an insurance company that yes outscored our work to India. Non of the officers of the company are of Indian descent. It may be anecdotal but it's not just IT that is being outsourced. They call it the minimum wage because if they could pay you less they would.
Um…where have you been? This type of offshoring is not news…and if it’s news to you then I hate to tell you about some of the healthcare companies who have offshored IT…
This is the third outsourcing cycle I have lived through during my career. It has never worked, the quality of work is always poor and it always ends up costing more in the long run and hurts the business.
Capitalism at its finest, we are in the end game now, Trump and the GOP are going to intentionally crash the economy, so the oligarchs can come in and buy up all the distressed assets. Berkshire Hathaway is literally sitting on $350B in cash. These billionaires never have enough, they always want more and they won’t quit until they have it all. Since Reagan and trickle down, income inequality has gotten worse every decade and is the worst it has ever been in American history. It is even worse than it was in France before the French Revolution (hint, hint). Time to invest in some guillotines.
This is happening all over Dallas even longstanding H1B’s are getting axed with no prospect for another sponsor. A lot of American tech employees are being sold out for shareholder profits even when there is no performance issue.
Just wait until everything IT related comes to a screeching halt. I worked for a bank that outsourced its IT staff and operations. 1 year later they we losing productivity in the millions.
Btw HR always looks at IT as an expense but IT looks at HR as not necessary.
Less dependency on H1B and more offshoring may be trend of all American companies these days. American airlines may establish a development center in India.
This is always a short term approach and not better for company long term depending on where this is applied. If it’s peanut butter across the board it’s a disaster. If it’s applied to sustainment type services (keep network, apps running) then it’s a great idea. Very similar to construction, architects/initial planning is US folks maintenance of said house /lawn afterwards is…..
I knew someone directly who got laid off on this scam. He was a US citizen. Senior architect. His job is now outsourced to India. Someone from Hyderabad will do his job at Pennies. And the ceo will be pocketing all profits.
Thanks, Trump and Elon.
I will pay extra for any service, to not have to speak to an Indian customer service agent, who is incapable of speaking English without following a script.
Is this also related to the tax changes in 2017 that didn't allow for depreciation of Engineers salaries in year 1 (changed to 5 years)?
"The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (TCJA), enacted in 2017, ended taxpayers’ abilities to expense R&D costs as incurred beginning in 2022. Now, businesses must amortize certain expenses over a five-year period and provide additional documentation when claiming a credit. These changes can substantially increase in a taxpayer’s income tax obligation by reducing both the deductions and credit available while increasing the burden of meeting the new documentation requirements."
This change is literally incentivizing companies to hire overseas
So, I am currently unemployed. Last year, my position ( manager for a cybersecurity company) was moved to India. What I could never understand was why a company would move operations to a country where an employee could walk across the street and get a job, which pays twice as much, actively undermining their last employer.
IT is one thing but cybersecurity? That should almost never be offshored.
American is a [Black Company](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_company_(Japan)) anyway. This doesn't even raise an eyebrow for me. The way they treat a family member of mine who works as a reservationist is borderline criminal.
These jobs should go to US citizens/residents. And then us Indians get shit on for this when its the corporate heads trying to save money and cut corners, while the Indians are just trying to make an honest living, not their fault companies are moving offshore. The system is broken but nobody on either side of the political spectrum is willing to fix it because the greedy corps hold the real power.
I dont know what everyone else thinks about this but I find Indian IT managers to be very racist as they only seem to favor particular type of Indians due to their caste system. All other races including caucasians are looked down upon and overlooked for promotions etc.
😂 if you flew American. Expect a lot of scams to come, when they garner access to your PII and sell it off to “those call centers”. Warn your older parents, grandparents or just oblivious to scam attempts to watch out for calls or emails from Apu… I mean, John or Sally.
Shocking Indians CTO placing his friends and family in high positions. Then working with families and friends back in his country to finesse Americans out of work. Shocking… truly. *Remembers Microsoft and such in Las Colinas over the years*
So only for the name sake - the name is American Airlines actually it should be named Indian Airlines or merged/acquired by Air India, why not? 😆
American Express, American Airlines, American Homeshield - only for the name they have American in that.
If you ever visit American Express campus in Phoenix AZ or Fort Laura dale FL or New York NY or Salt Lake City UT - you won't believe that you are in USA. It looks like Indian Express. At least American Express campus in Phoenix AZ is at least 90% Asian Indians.
American Homeshield - Nations top home warranty company has all the customer service jobs in Philippines. Very rude and arrogant customer service who rather than helping american customers simply steal their data and nothing else.
Rather than folks in USA blindly voting for red(Republicans) or blue(Democrats) and keep on falling for the same rhetoric
Make America Great
Make America Great Again
**If a company/corporate is making at least 80% of the revenues from USA, they should have at least 40% of the jobs in USA and in fact why 40% why not 80%? Enough of this capitalism shit. Same capitalist fund and lobby for the parties and upon winning influence the policies.**
Who cares as long as the get rid of their DEI crap?
kidding. can’t wait to see how the America First crowd wrestles with ‘corporations must be allowed to be run purely for profit, damn the consequences ’ mindset.
Offshore folks don’t know the basics like different time zones in USA, daylight saving time, most of them don’t even know the cities in America. I had to babysit them and teach all the basic things. Forget about the business requirements . America and India are totally different countries in how they work n operate. Once the developers coded everything in Indian time zones, when offshore checked everything was working, when I checked everything was messed up. I had to call out that if your client is American, set the time zones of USA , if your client is European set the time zone of that country. Also when an Indian CTO is hired and told to save costs his/ her classic answer is let’s outsource everything. Other than that he/ her doesn’t have any other brilliant idea.
At this point, there should be no surprise to the MO for Indian-born tech executives or hiring managers. If there was any real class solidarity, there would be strikes and work stoppages up and down American Airlines, but the love of profit and inequality means more to some people.
Every company is doing this right now. It is almost like everyone collectively decided to forget what happened last time they sent jobs offshore. The bright side is that anyone in tech who survives will have a lot of work in about 3-5 years when it all collapses again.
I'm not saying that Indian workers don't know tech; I am saying American companies fail spectacularly at managing Indian tech talent. American companies go to India for disposable workers. Disposable workers won't tell you bad news- disposable workers let bad news build until the dam bursts.
Americans may not like it but this is what happens in free market and capitalism because profit is the only factor. American companies like Amazon, Walmart, macd, Starbucks and many more went to India and taken big portion of Indian market over domestic companies and Indians were complaining about that. Now Tesla is going to India to setup their business so it’s not one sided story, profit from those businesses coming back to boost us stock market and 401k
this has been happening since the Waltons did it in the 80s. They’ve been gutting America and selling it for parts for 40 years now. For once, someone with heritage from the region is actually profiting from it.
But just look at the Waltons and look at all the people at the top of the billionaire game, including Bezos, they have been doing this shit for 40 years. We are a shiny veneer with little substance and every day it gets worse. And until we get a president who actually bans outsourcing things are only gonna get worse until the veneer collapses.
Only on REDDIT some random dude posts a screenshot from some other random dude!
The community proceeds to lose their shit.
All major airlines, and for that matter, almost all large companies have offshore IT delivery centers.
There is no credible news out there of AA entire IT lifting and shifting.
Mods should either take this down or ask for a more credible source.
Red ants and black ants are put in a jar . The jar is shaken violently, the red ants think its the black ants and the black ants think vice versa, I hope someday we stop and take action against the person who shook the jar and not fight amongst us🙂
This is a class war. They have been killing union jobs since at the 70s essentially killing the power of the working class. Now they are coming for the corporate jobs ...and as those jobs are being taken people are being funneled into the next incarnation of our corporate state...gig work. Now that the gig work is being flooded by desperate people it is starting to dry up as a viable income stream. Now you see the powers that be are after our social security. They are slowly dismantling the u.s. economy to defang whats left of our meager rights. Next step is the continuation of mass servailence and also the militarization of our police with more drones and ai. Real fun place to live now.
Christ, as if the FAA layoffs weren't bad enough. If I didn't know the primary culprit here was stupidity I'd almost think the 1% were *trying* to crash the airline industry.
No pun intended.
I don’t see anything wrong with it, no one had an objection when American companies went to third world countries and killed local businesses and brought profits to America and now everyone has a problem when these countries take American jobs.
Merciful god one of the funniest videos I've ever seen in my life.
Credit card scam for those not in the loop. Youtube search something like kitboga angriest scanner. My god I wasn't ready the first time I heard that one.
A lot of companies are outsourcing all of their work, my job just disappeared out from underneath me and everyone just shrugged because it’s significantly cheaper
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