Tulsi on the Trump / Vance / Zelensky blow-up in the Oval Office today
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Posted by WashedMasses@reddit | tulsi | View on Reddit | 132 comments
RichCelery1345@reddit
The way I see it, if sending $300 billion to Ukraine wasn’t enough to end the war, we need to find another solution other than sending them money and resources. That being said, I am still very disappointed in how unprofessional Trump and JD were while speaking with Zelensky. There is no reason to raise their voices and berate him as childishly as they did. They are only making it more likely that Zelensky refuses to call a cease fire.
lovesoosh@reddit
US didn't send 300 billion. Close to 100 billions in weapons we were going to dispose of anyway which is expensive. So in the end Ukraine saved US money.
plsobeytrafficlights@reddit
well, i think everyone would like to just "find another solution" ,but so far that has been "just give up"
there was a cease fire, but the russians almost instantly disregarded.
lTheElementalFlowl@reddit
Not reqlly Zelensky provoked them wanting guantees in front of public media. He wanted Trump to say that he was siding with Ukraine when the U.S. wants to remain neutral.
Zelensky is an actor, he doesn't understand diplomacy. He tried to get Trump to call out Putin in front of the media. How is Trump supposed to pick up the phone after and asks Putin to make a deal? Is Zelensky stupid?
You can see why Mark Rubio was calling out Zelensky. Zelensky would tell them different things during their closed room meeting and Europeans another. Zelensky should be grateful to Americans for paying with our tax dollars. Europeans should be funding most of Ukraine, not the U.S.
RichCelery1345@reddit
I fully agree with what you’re saying, I just think there are more professional ways they could’ve called him out that don’t involve raising their voices as much as they did.
lTheElementalFlowl@reddit
They probably didn't need to, but Zelensky was provoking them with his arms crossed posturing a defensive stance after trying to bait them. Zelensky also had a meeting with the Democrats encouraging him to provoke the president. Even Europeans believe what he did was disrespectful. Europeans are so tired of Zelensky.
andyroid92@reddit
It was embarrassing and low-class. I'm sure the maga crowd loved it
ImGettinThatFoSho@reddit
It was low class for Zelensky to say "you (meaning the United States) didn't stop Putin in 2014, 2019, or 2022, so how will you stop him now, JD?"
Trump and Vance were correctly pointing out how Zelensky came in there ungrateful for the aid we have given them and then basically said we should have stopped Putin in the last decade.
It's not America's job to stop Putin, but we have been helping Ukraine. Zelensky came off low class and ungrateful, not Trump and Vance
andyroid92@reddit
Disagree. The way they belittled him in front of everyone was not necessary or diplomatic at all. Trump and Vance showed the world their asses
ImGettinThatFoSho@reddit
Honestly, who cares? People are dying in Ukraine daily. Trump is trying to negotiate an end to that.
I think Zelensky can handle Trump's brashness.
The left, as usual, cares about performative kindness and show instead of actual results.
andyroid92@reddit
Can't disagree 🤷♂️
SHD_Tech@reddit
I don’t think they handled it very well, but at the same time, Zelenskyy was supposed to be there to secure our continued support in a war that we’re supposed to try to wind down and said he wasn’t interested in negotiations and diplomacy.
Even with Biden, dude has a history of being an ungrateful, demanding, and obstinate little shit, who doesn’t seem interested in doing the things needed to end the war. I don’t know if any of us would have handled dealing with him any better than what happened.
andyroid92@reddit
It was a bad look for everyone.
EnvironmentalTop9708@reddit
United States spent $119.7bn on aid to Ukraine between January 2022 and December 2024.
plsobeytrafficlights@reddit
what absolute nonsense. Ukraine is trying to drag the US into nuclear war? Ukraine gave their nuclear arsenal to the US in exchange for protection.
such fantasy crap.
SirHypeTheDank@reddit
Eh, I’m fine with not being a part of ww3
Wildlifetracker@reddit
100%. The front lines of ukraine looks like hell on Earth.
ThomaspaineCruyff@reddit
Caused by Russia, but whatever man let’s all suck Putin’s dick just like your boy Trump.
lTheElementalFlowl@reddit
The agreement was for Nato not to expand past Berlin and money spent to defend Ukraine, not for them to push into Russia. Are you blind to not see that Zelensky is a grifter and doesn't want to end the war? He wants to keep fighting to win.
QuaggaSwagger@reddit
TRUMP OS THE GRIFTER. jfc
Zelensky is trying to defend his border.
Thanks for making the argument against your own stupidity.
lTheElementalFlowl@reddit
Look at diplomacy now. :p Zelensky agrees to sign deal and look at ending the war instead of dragging it out. Since the U.S. is supporting them, Economic security also means national security for the U.S. and Europe. If you learned anything from the cold war, Russia lost due to their economy collapsing. The U.S is not going to win when they are $36 trillion in debt while Russia is still making large amount of money from their oil exports.
Funds are not unlimited.
QuaggaSwagger@reddit
We are going to lose because our economy is collapsing.
You're right.
PubliclyDisturbed@reddit
So let Russia invade whoever they want and we’ll just not do anything because you’re afraid of them? Stupid move
Psychogistt@reddit
Biden, Zelensky and NATO pushed for this war because they thought they could starve Russia with sanctions, but it completely backfired
Giggles10001110@reddit
Backfired? So Russia is in a strong position right now?
Psychogistt@reddit
Their military is 3x larger than it was before the war. Biden was pushing for regime change in Russia and got regime changed himself
PackAttacks@reddit
Russia couldn’t even take Ukraine.
Psychogistt@reddit
They just did
PackAttacks@reddit
Oh yeah? When?
Psychogistt@reddit
Russia won the war
PackAttacks@reddit
No, they didn’t.
ThomaspaineCruyff@reddit
Russia is a bunch of peasants with pitchforks as they’ve always been
DistinctBat1909@reddit
How dare you tell the truth,the downvotes are acknowledgement of you speaking sense.
ThomaspaineCruyff@reddit
Classic Trump logic. If you are the only idiot with a bizarre opinion you must be right?
ThomaspaineCruyff@reddit
WTF is wrong with you? Russia INVADED asshat.
Marjayoun@reddit
WHY does it always have to be OUR problem? When Zelensky says he has to have security assurance he means America boots on the ground. I say that is a hard NO.
PubliclyDisturbed@reddit
There are both moral and practical reasons why. On the moral side - with great power comes great responsibility. On the practical side - we benefit from a stable Europe and benefit from the good will and influence that it brings. Geopolitically, we also benefit from the investment in terms of our military capability and weakening of Russia to make it less likely for them to invade their neighboring countries again anytime soon.
Additionally, appeasing Russia could spur a nuclear arms race as other countries tries to secure nuclear bombs as they learn from the example that Russia having nuclear bombs provided them great influence.
Boots on a ground a hard no? Fine, then we should continue supporting them financially and with equipment.
romremsyl@reddit
That debate was for the initial invasion. It is unrealistic to keep fighting when it's been a stalemate for 3 years. Too many people have died what do you want, them all to keep dying? Ukrainians are being dragged off the streets to fight a war they don't want to be in and those conscripts are just not doing anything and dying. Even Zelensky is now saying he just needs security guarantees to agree to a ceasefire and negotiations, which is reasonable, and a change from his impossible maximalist "no compromise with killer Putin on territory" at the beginning of the meeting.
brainomancer@reddit
It ain't the 80s anymore gramps. You were raised to think of the U.S. as global police. You were raised to defend shit like the Iraq War. Younger voters don't feel the same sense of imperialist obligation.
PackAttacks@reddit
I’m a younger voter and I say fuck Russia and all you simps cucking for Putin.
Forever32@reddit
Thank God someone sees the truth. This guy must have Trump’s nuts and assets in a velvet case, b/c Putin is the only one he simps for
Veadro@reddit
Right? I don't know why we bothered with having a military at all. If we just sit back and worry about our own country then our hands are clean. So if it does happen we have someone else to blame, and that's the fundamental platform of this administration.
nickmalthus@reddit
The US international policy should be to promote democracy and freedom, not overthrowing governments and supporting dictators.
SirHypeTheDank@reddit
Holy straw man Batman
ManufacturerSpare310@reddit
Have you learned nothing from our historic policy of neutrality? One way or another, we will be part of it whether we want to or not.
Lhamo66@reddit
Nobody is deliberately trying to initiate a nuclear war for the love of God
Electrical-Repeat-58@reddit
breaking 🔥☄️
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QbuVeQ_OZBw
CalRipkenForCommish@reddit
Jeezus effing christ. These are the words Putin would say. She’s not even acknowledging that Russia invaded Ukraine, a sovereign nation. She’s not acknowledging that Russia has double crossed so many “deals” they’ve made, and it’s well documented to boot. She’s not acknowledging that zelensky has thanked America many, many times for its help, yet Trump lies and she bends over again. How many times does she need to take Russias side before republicans stand up for America?
QuaggaSwagger@reddit
"Thank you JD Vance for showing ZERO diplomacy. There y showing important it is"
lTheElementalFlowl@reddit
? Zelensky's an actor lmao. How do you expect to have diplomacy when Zelensky is asking for more of American tax dollars in front of the media and to call out Russia. Then expect Trump to pick up the phone and make a deal with them? Being objective, their goal is to end the war, not prolong it.
Zelensky wants to prolong the war. Why do you think they're pushing into Russian territory. Regardless of who started the war, it should end. I suppose saving Ukranian lives isn't worth giving up some stuff.
QuaggaSwagger@reddit
If Russia stops fighting, the war is over. If you crane stops fighting Ukraine dies.
I think you're missing some pretty big concepts here.
Also, Trump is an actor.
And we signed a contract with Ukraine in 1994 that says we're supposed to back them in this situation, plus I really wouldn't balk at the bill for peace.
There can be no peace allowing Russia to roll over anybody.
Trump is kneeling in front of Putin before the world.
lTheElementalFlowl@reddit
I don't see anybody kneeling and Ukraine was not attacked under Trump. Let that sink in. Trump is also involved in business where he makes deals unlike Zelensky begging and lying to countries with no goal in ending the war. He wants to stay in power which is why they haven't held elections.
Instead, Russia walked all over Obama when Russia took Crimea, and Biden's weak diplomacy and provocation led to Russia invading Ukraine.
That's because Putin knew Biden and Obama wouldn't do anything about it which they didn't. Biden's idea was to use Ukraine as a proxy war at the expense of the American taxpayer's dollars. Trump is demanding that we get our money back.
Europe should be the one stepping up, not the U.S. We've helped Ukraine and what do we get in return? Nothing. Lmao Zelensky didn't even want to sign the minerals deal.
QuaggaSwagger@reddit
WHO GIVES A FUCK WHO THE US PRESIDENT WAS WHEN RUSSIA ATTACKED UKRAINE.
WE ARE THEIR ALLY BY CONTRACT SINCE 1994, WE HAVE NOT BEGUN TO TOUCH WHAT WE OWE THEM, LEAST OF ALL PROTECTING THEIR SOVEREIGNTY.
ON THE WORLD STAGE, TRUMP LITERALLY HAS HIS HAND ON PUTIN'S ZIPPER READY TO GO TO WORK.
YES, ZELENSKY WANTS TO STAY IN POWER BECAUSE THE ALTERNATIVE IS DEATH OF HIS NATION.... ARE YOU DUMB?
Biden provided them aid, Trump wants to stop that and lay them down so Putin can win.
Which one do you think Putin likes more?
Europe has stepped up. They've given about the same amount of money as we have.
Regardless, Russia is the only one putting lives at stake. If Russia stops fighting, the war is over.
Full stop..
I don't care that you don't like Obama, the war started 3 years ago under Biden. The US as the safeguard of peace has stepped up.
ONLY TRUMP is shying away from peace in exchange for favor from his dictator, puppet Master and mentor.
I can't believe I had to say any of this.
lTheElementalFlowl@reddit
Another thing is you sound like a warmonger.
Zelensky tried to make a power play appealing to emotions of the American people. When he asked for guarantees, he's looking to get his foot into NATO. Trump and JD Vance cannot let this happen because once Ukraine is part of NATO, if Russia attacks, the U.S. would be bound to be in conflict with Russia due to the agreement clause of an attack on one nation is an attack on all.
This would incite WWIII and China would have to choose a side.
QuaggaSwagger@reddit
WTF? You're over here saying "let Putin steamroll" but I sound like a war monger?
How about we stop sending any money to Israel to stop funding genocide. I would rather send those billions to Ukraine to snuff out Russia.
RUSSIA STARTED THE WAR - I THINK WE SHOULD HELP END IT.
NAZIs STARTED A WAR - WE HELPED END IT.
Yes, your last paragraph is correct and WHY Ukraine should be in NATO.
That's the idea of alliances. And AGAIN we already have a 30 year old treaty with Ukraine.
You say I sound like a war monger, but it sounds like you want to let Russia to take over Europe and then be their lap dog - because THATS what Trump is pushing for. (Just like Daddy Putin wants)
lTheElementalFlowl@reddit
Nobody said let Russia take over. Ukraine should stay out of Nato because they are already pulling Europe into war. We don't want a full blown war. Your logic makes no sense. Lmao why would you want the entirety of NATO to be engaged in war? That means more troops being sent over and dying. Does that even make sense to you? Do you even know how many people died in WWII? This is a small war compared to if the entitety of Nato would be involved.
We should not have to be as involved as we already are. Europe should have sent more aid, not the U.S.
QuaggaSwagger@reddit
I want the entirety of NATO to unite in crushing Russia. What's hard to understand about that? War is already here. Ignoring it or "staying out' guarantees a Russian victory and the FURTHER war (you think they'll stop at Ukraine? Lol)
I'd like this to remain a small war, relatively, and the way you do that is soundly defeat Russia, the aggressor, not quibble on the sidelines over who gets the best deal. Ffs, man.
WE ARE CONTRACTUALLY OBLIGATED TO DEFEND UKRAINE. I feel like you can't read.
Russia is trying to start WW3 and you think we should all back away from opposing that.
Seems like you want Russian dominance across Europe and that we should sit back and take it.
Brushing up on your Russian? We'd all be needing to speak in the next decade if we follow your thinking
lTheElementalFlowl@reddit
Got it, you want more people to die. You don't think China would get involved as well as Africa? You think that it's just Nato vs Russia? What world do you live in? Certainly not reality.
QuaggaSwagger@reddit
More people die under your plan. You imbecile.
RUSSIA INVADED. Fuck em. The end.
If we stop supporting Ukraine, we would be in violation of agreements.
Your mental gymnastics are weak.
BlondieTVJunkie@reddit
I didn't like the way he reacted, but I think what the point of the thing -- don't you agree -- that it's trying to broker a deal instead of just giving away billions of dollars and weapons? That would be the more telling observation of diplomacy. Because we've been directly funding the war against Putin. And they're losing. We Have to go in and beat Putin, which would be nuclear war., or we have to broker a deal
QuaggaSwagger@reddit
Right, but the Trump/Vance position seems to be, if you don't wear a suit and say thank you (which he did, and Elon don't wear suits), then were backing Putin.
BlondieTVJunkie@reddit
I just watched the CNN interview and it seems to me.....There's a much bigger situation. We only saw just a very tiny bit of it. I think if we step back and look at it like Elon is very different situation. He's the richest man on the planet. He's not asking for anyone to do anything for him. I just think it's very complex that's all.
QuaggaSwagger@reddit
Can you imagine FDR going to Churchill during world war II and saying if you don't say thank you, we're not even going to help you against the Germans. you don't stand a chance!
?
No, because our president knew what was on the line and the bill doesn't matter when it's world Peace on the table.
With the threat of world war 3 and its possibility to be much more destructive in the last world war, Trump is still mostly concerned about profit for himself and people he thinks are cool.
Fuck world peace. Not even a concern.
It's not complicated, support Ukraine and crush Russia. It could literally not be more black and white.
QuaggaSwagger@reddit
He basically disbanded the FAA and then gave SpaceX the contract.
He's not asking for anything from anyone because he simply taking it.
He bought Trump's presidency for $250 million and Trump gave him the keys to whatever he wanted.
As you said, Elon is the richest man on the planet. He can be in whatever situation he wants. He's choosing fascism and dictatorship.
Thus ends the Great American experiment.
AndoMacster@reddit
Now just stop funding Israel
just_another_tard@reddit
Oof. Sold her soul.
Psychogistt@reddit
Huh? She’s always been consistent in her views regarding Ukraine
ITS_MILLER_TIME_62@reddit
Exactly, none of the people here speaking against her have even been listening to her. They are probably bots and/or not actual followers of Tulsi's rhetoric on anything
EnvironmentalTop9708@reddit
Tulsi have supported Russia for years. Even before she went to Syria
Forever32@reddit
More than ambition. Something happened to her. Someone got to her. I don’t know what, but it bums me out. I’m sad for her
cindymartin67@reddit
Maybe Elons got them all hooked into the secretly finished beta neural link 🤔
dogchasecat@reddit
She’s the only positive I see about this administration. I would love to see her call him out when he does ridiculous things like embarrass our country and alienating all our allies like this. Maybe she’s scared.
Wildlifetracker@reddit
Dod you watch all 40 mins? Not the heated 10?
vksj@reddit
Wow, quite a dissappoinrment from Tulsi.
dominator_13@reddit
Absolutely disgusting distatement.
IVcrushonYou@reddit
I think what she and Trump have in common is the realization that the path Zelenskyy wants to go down to would put us on a trajectory to nuclear war. We need to cut our losses and rapidly de-escalate this situation that we got dragged in to.
PubliclyDisturbed@reddit
Appeasing Russia will lead to increased likelihood of nuclear war not less. It will embolden Russia to further acts of war, not less, and it will teach the world that if you have a nuclear weapon that you can do anything and that even the powerful US will be afraid of you. Stupid move!
BoniceMarquiFace@reddit
No.
The question isn't about us appeasing Russia, it's about Russia appeasing us. They are still a powerful country and got pushed to the point where they feel they have to actor will be blatantly ignored, because their concerns don't matter.
That's literally the logic Hillary Clinton had when talking about them for the past 20 years, that they just complain and do nothing.
Psychogistt@reddit
This is right wing war propaganda
cindymartin67@reddit
Yes saying that Ukraine in any way is the reason we are in a trajectory to nuclear war IS right wing propaganda. Its because of Russia
PubliclyDisturbed@reddit
No, it’s history. Just look at Russia’s history of invading its neighbors.
Harvinator06@reddit
Yes! Zelensky wants to drag the US into WWIII by asking Russia to invade Ukraine.
What a fucking bread dead take.
IVcrushonYou@reddit
What is brain dead is supporting decade long wars. So many lives lost over nothing. End the war now or we're going to be stuck with this like Afghanistan and Iraq with absolutely nothing to show for other than even more people hating the US.
PubliclyDisturbed@reddit
The best way to ensure lasting peace is for the invaders to go home.
IVcrushonYou@reddit
You go grab a gun and go to war then. The American people voted for peace and an end to the endless war machine. Tulsi and Trump are supporters of a 180 degree turn on foreign policy and strict neutrality which is why I'm in this sub. Not sure why you are here.
PubliclyDisturbed@reddit
Russia is the endless war machine. Neutrality when a country invades another country is farce. Where’s your morals?
And I’m here because I subscribed when she was running for president as an independent - before it was clear she was a grifter that would lie to save her own political career.
ITS_MILLER_TIME_62@reddit
I call cap
PubliclyDisturbed@reddit
It’s ok - I understand that most Trump and Biden supporters have a difficult time understanding nuanced positions.
ITS_MILLER_TIME_62@reddit
No you're just a poser trying to dissuade others of support for Tulsi. You either never supported her or never understood what she stood for in the first place
PubliclyDisturbed@reddit
She lies and gives bad hyper partisan takes to support the most anti-Democratic anti-American, sleazy, terrible person of a politician - which is saying a lot because there are a lot of very terrible people in politics. If she always stood for that then you’re right - I didn’t understand it before but it’s become clear as day now. F that!
ITS_MILLER_TIME_62@reddit
No you're just misconstruing her position to fit your narrative
PubliclyDisturbed@reddit
No. Believe what you want to buddy.
Tucana66@reddit
^ needs more upvotes. Spot on.
beavis617@reddit
Bullshit….Anyone looking to put the world in danger of a nuclear threat that would be Trump’s close personal friend and handler Putin. Right agent Comrade Krasnov?
No_Profit_415@reddit
Yea we should hold the course! Keep feeding them money and weapons! Or maybe we can send them nukes or start a nuclear war by pushing NATO! That’s what we have done for 3 years after Biden told Putin a “minor incursion” was ok. Not one attempt to solve it. Not from Biden. Not from the EU. And 3 years later it’s a slow grind. Another 3 and Ukraine is finished. Meanwhile we have the chickenhawks screaming for anyone’s blood but theirs or their kids. No the real people who love Putin (or are dumb as fucking rocks) are the people advocating we keep doing what we have been doing and have pushed Putin and China together.
PubliclyDisturbed@reddit
Ukraine HAD nukes. They gave them up with the guarantee from Russia that they would respect the independence of Ukraine and guarantee from the US that if Russia ever invaded, that we would come to Ukraine’s aid. Appeasing and making a deal that benefits Russia does nothing for peace and security!
No_Profit_415@reddit
The first part is accurate. I don’t believe we ever “guaranteed” their security.
PubliclyDisturbed@reddit
The best chance for least death and destruction is to not let Russia have impunity in invading their neighbors.
No_Profit_415@reddit
Please enlighten us on your strategy to prevent that? From what I can see, only one POTUS in the last 4 has avoided that.
LactoceTheIntolerant@reddit
You’re blaming Biden and not pootin?
No_Profit_415@reddit
Not at all. Putin is a friggin maniac. HE is absolutely to blame for this. I fault Biden and Obama for monumental naïveté which Putin leveraged in Crimea and the larger invasion. Putin was making moves. Instead of shutting it down, Biden made a really stupid statement that sounded like a green light. The problem is so much of this talk is focused on rehashing HOW we got here instead of what we do to resolve it. We may want a solution where Russia totally withdraws from the eastern provinces and Crimea. That absolutely won’t happen. So we need to find another way or allow the status quo which will lead to Russia eventually taking the country.
LactoceTheIntolerant@reddit
Biden encouraged pootin? When was this?
No_Profit_415@reddit
Jan 19, 2022 ““It’s one thing if it’s a minor incursion and we [NATO] end up having to fight about what to do and not to do.”
LactoceTheIntolerant@reddit
That’s vague AF. Between Putin and Biden, who’s to blame?
No_Profit_415@reddit
Read my post. Jesus.
lssue@reddit
Realest take I have read today. Let’s push Russia closer to China and continue to fund a war that everyone knows how it’ll end. The irony of the supposed “moral” choice being the continuous loss of lives and further infrastructure destruction rather than a negotiated settlement. Dear God, people are stupid.
No_Profit_415@reddit
I have close friends who vehemently disagree with me. They really want Ukraine to win it all and push Russia totally out. I get it. That is a noble goal. But it will never happen. Looking at this as sad reality does not make anyone a stooge for Putin.
lssue@reddit
Realism and pragmatism is what ends wars
No_Profit_415@reddit
The other thing is the colossal F-up by Zelenskyy. The mineral deal was not just about minerals. It was about the US taking a direct stake in Ukrainian success. Does it guarantee we would go to war with Russia? No. But Russia would really hesitate to further invade a country where a ton of US people and wealth fund money is sitting. He was apparently warned repeatedly not to push the security thing….by very pro-Ukrainian people.
cindymartin67@reddit
Well damn. I thought I liked her for a minute. Guess not
WashedMasses@reddit (OP)
She's always been for peace and diplomacy over endless war. If this broke your affection for her then you probably weren't much of a supporter to begin with.
rapidpeacock@reddit
Appeasement isn’t peace. Ask Neville Chamberlain how long it lasts. Giving into Russian demands will only embolden him.
nickmalthus@reddit
Were Roosevelt, JFK, and Reagan all traitors for signing peace deals with the Soviets to prevent endless war and nuclear holocaust?
Russia has a small fraction of people and military budget compared to NATO countries. In the last three years they have barely moved the battle line in Ukraine. How is it remotely possible for them to militarily defeat Europe? Is there any doubt that if Russia actually did attach a NATO country a NATO nuclear response would shortly follow?
WashedMasses@reddit (OP)
Well unless you're ready to send US troops and risk nuclear war, Russia is winning the conflict. What exactly do you want seen done?
rapidpeacock@reddit
What we have been doing having Ukraine fight for their freedom with our support. It depletes Russias ability to fight and gives them pause to keep expanding back into the USSR.
WashedMasses@reddit (OP)
The problem is that we've given them $350 Billion in support and supplies and they're still losing. Their military is decimated and they've implemented a draft to force men to fight. The war is over, it's time to negotiate a peace deal and end the killing.
BlueAig@reddit
Where are you getting that $350B figure from? With a source, please. Ukraine Oversight lists it at $182B. Are there other pools of money I’m not aware of? And if not, could we please keep this conversation in the realm of facts?
To your other points: the Ukrainian military is hardly decimated. They’ve been extraordinarily resourceful in preserving their manpower; Russia, meanwhile, is making cunning strategic use of donkeys. We are nowhere close to the point at which we can say that the war is over, and if we want to see it resolved in a way that neither rewards unwarranted landgrabs nor pushes us to commit American troops, I have yet to see a convincing argument to do anything other than exactly what we’ve been doing.
rapidpeacock@reddit
There is no peace with hitler I mean Putin. He will just keep chipping away at the Ukraine and other countries. Bringing down planes assassinating dissidents. Keeping him bottled up and focused on Ukraine helps every other country in the region. Plus 350 billion is a drop in the bucket compared to what a real war will cost. And the amount tax cuts are going to cost this country in one year is 4 times less than we have spent in total support of this war. So your BS story about the amount of money we are spending is meaning less. Trump is going to bankrupt the country so our money will be worthless soon enough. Trump printing money and giving it away is what has caused this inflation currently weakening our buying power.
cindymartin67@reddit
Aww peace? Peace is bullying nations under seige to give us their minerals? Really? You have a weird definition of peace. If you don’t want to help, just saying NO don’t razz us for anything of worth wtf world do you live in?
Forever32@reddit
One day, I hope we learn what really happened to her. It makes me sad.
WashedMasses@reddit (OP)
Simple. She was pushed out of the Dem party by Hillary and her sycophants. Her foreign policy aligned well with Trump's and the rest is history.
LactoceTheIntolerant@reddit
She was never a dem. She only pretended to be blue because her district would never vote red. Once her constituents found out, they kicked her out.
cindymartin67@reddit
You don’t leave the dems to immediately go right. If you do you were never truly a democrat. They don’t align for a reason
LactoceTheIntolerant@reddit
Now she’s parroting pootin.
rapidpeacock@reddit
So she is on Putin payroll. Sad to see. But this confirms it. She will be president soon enough.
ButtHurtStallion@reddit
Not being pro war is great, but that doesn't mean we should turn to pacifism and appeasement.
World War II we tried appeasement with Germany. It. Does. Not. Work.
This isn't some back water civil war or rebellion. Its a god damn super power directly attacking a European country.
Every single country should be economically and militarily block Russia. If Germany pulled this shit we'd be losing our minds.
Ukraine literally gave up nukes for this. Theres no way countries like Iran will even remotely consider halting their program. Every country that depends on the US for protection ( we fucking get paid for this ) will be second guessing our reliability.
Every leader is closely watching. Not helping Ukraine is going to have very real long term geo political consequences and we're blind to it.
therin_88@reddit
Thank you Tulsi!
TheVagabondLost@reddit
For what?
Npl1jwh@reddit
Another Russian shill…god damn these people make me sick.
AllNarglesGotoHeaven@reddit
Oh, of course you all make so much sense!
It is ZELENSKY that wants WWIII by Putin's army invading Ukraine so that they could slaughter, rape, and torture innocent civilians 🤯
So genius, much alpha!
All of you would do well to hope that all that happens to you is burning when you go to hell.
OnIowa@reddit
“Being Putin’s bitch isn’t ‘America first’.” -Tulsi Gabbard
KezAzzamean@reddit
Licking their nuts I see.