Mercedes-AMG Will Give the C63 Its V8 Back After All: Report

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nevergonnastawp@reddit

Now lets bully everyone into bringing manuals back

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J_NonServiam@reddit

She gotta lotta pretty, pretty boys

She calls friends

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crosstrackerror@reddit

Pour one out for the resale value of the previous generation

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imightgetdownvoted@reddit

I mean, at the right price I’d be interested…

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tri_9@reddit

Articles in 3-5 years: “you won’t BELIEVE the value of this Mercedes”

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Lugnuts088@reddit

$$$$ works. They saw the market wasn't as elastic as they thought around the # of cylinders. They could care less what people think or say, only if they don't spend the money.

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dontbeslo@reddit

I don’t think I’ve seen any of the current 4-cyl versions on the road. Give customers what they want.

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Never seen one either, can only find people doing reviews, driving them in YouTube videos. Everyone is disappointed in those videos. I do hear it’s very fast though. But the price and fake noise kill it for what you’re paying.

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LAXBASED@reddit

Wonder what the depreciation curve on all those 4 cylinder models will look like once these hit the streets. Gotta be a massive hit imo sub 40k is my guess for CPO.

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cutebabymonkey@reddit

Once (if) a new engine is confirmed for the next C63s I really do wonder what the price of these 4 cylinder ones will be, I could agree with sub 40k and I feel like that would be quite a deal if you wanted to mess around with 671HP ? Especially if you could get an extended warranty on it for a good price?

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Carmaster777@reddit

I have some ad new for you bro

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Novel-Error4950@reddit

They should’ve just made it a v8 hybrid instead but it’s so nice hearing it’s returning!!! I’m looking to buy!

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Vincetagram@reddit

wow this aged like milk

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Vincetagram@reddit

wow this aged like milk

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whodafok@reddit

Great, but they should not do them V8 "Hybrids" Just continue making the actual Twin Turbo V8s, thats what people love. Why would you make them a hybrid and add useless weight.

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andonevriis@reddit

Enthusiasts cried foul after the Mercedes-AMG C63 downsized from a twin-turbocharged, 4.0-liter V8 to a hybrid system built around a 2.0-liter turbo-four. Executives initially replied with “deal with it,”

Sounds like customers said deal with the lack of sales then

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Juicyjackson@reddit

I mean, it just makes sense, the reason people bought the C63 was simply because of the sound.

Even though the C63 with the 4 cylinder is technically quicker, it still doesn't match the M3 Comp XDrive which is quite literally the same price...

Why would I go spend $87,200 on a 4 cylinder AMG sedan when I can go spend $87,175 on a 6 cylinder M3 XDrive that performs better in every single metric, is lighter, sounds 1000x better, is way more reliable, is infinitely more tunable, and will probably hold it's value way better...

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strongmanass@reddit

Even though the C63 with the 4 cylinder is technically quicker, it still doesn't match the M3 Comp XDrive which is quite literally the same price...

The bigger problem is the divergence in strategy. The premium Germans typically move in lockstep. The M5 went PHEV, shortly afterward the 4 door AMG GT did as well. And we can expect the E63 to also.

The C63 went PHEV and Mercedes was the first soldier through the gate to get shot. But I assumed BMW and Audi would follow suit. In that case it wouldn't matter because that whole segment would be I4 PHEV. But instead BMW said "we're keeping our iconic engine unlike those nerds in Stuttgart" and now Mercedes look really foolish.

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derritterauskanada@reddit

They went too far, many enthusiasts have a poor perception of I4 engines, especially those that buy RWD based D-segment cars. I don't really believe that they needed to keep the V8 with this generation, had they downsized to a I6 and the PHEV system, I believe their sales would have been better.

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wkns@reddit

Does MB have an l6 though? They used what they have because developing a new engine from scratch takes 8 years or so.

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derritterauskanada@reddit

Yeap they do the M256, it's offered on most model ranges. They actually no longer make a V6 I believe, but I could be wrong.

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throwaway774234@reddit

The nostrils on the M3

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Juicyjackson@reddit

I would happily take slightly worse styling that a lot of people actually are coming around on in exchange for pretty much better everything else.

I mean, at the end of the day, your driving the car, not just looking at it.

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RunninOnMT@reddit

Yup and I HATE how the M3 looks. But i'd deal with it, because it's obviously a much better car.

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Montague-Withnail@reddit

The M3 blows the C63 out of the water in terms of the interior too, and that's what you'll spend most of the time looking at if you did buy one...

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TheAlphaCarb0n@reddit

A lot of people are coming around on.

Are they? Those things are still ugly AF and would be a deal breaker for me. I barely see any on the road.

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icecream_specialist@reddit

Definitely not coming around on it but they look a little better on M cars compared to like an i4, and if the car is black it at least hides them a little so there are mitigating options out there. Still ugly, but I think I've moved past it being a deal breaker for me because the car is so good

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TheAlphaCarb0n@reddit

For me, if I'm spending that much on a car I need to be drooling over its looks. But of course, different strokes

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Juicyjackson@reddit

Absolutely.

You have to remember it's still a pretty expensive car, but these things are everywhere in more affluent areas.

And it doesn't really have any competition that is nearly as good especially with the reliability skyrocketing over the last generation.

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J_NonServiam@reddit

Judging by the number of cyber trucks, M cars, and gaudy wrap jobs on range rovers I see around me, some rich people just like to make a statement and want to stand out. Aggressive or polarizing styling tends to do that well.

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Jewniversal_Remote@reddit

It looks better there and on the M4 than it does on any other model they make. If you happen to have one lying around that you find so unsightly I'd be happy to relieve you of that issue

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ukcats12@reddit

I fully agree, and the nostrils are a huge reason why I'm not driving an M3 right now. But if my choice was between a G80 M3 and a W206 C63 I'm honestly probably choosing neither.

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ButthealedInTheFeels@reddit

I hate them too but as long as you get a dark color paint you can’t see them that much

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clownpirate@reddit

I lust after a C63 (or V8 cars in general) but am I alone in not caring too much about the sound?

25 year old me did. 40 year old me really doesn’t.

I just love that feel of a V8.

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icecream_specialist@reddit

Not alone, there's at least two of us, the sound thing is annoying. There's something to be said about being aware of the sound to know what the engine is doing in terms of revs and load but beyond that it's just dbags making noise for attention.

The problem with the 2.0 hybrid isn't the sound, it's the weight, complexity, packaging and feel

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CaptainKoala@reddit

I considered a C63 when I was looking to buy but as you said it is quite literally worse in every single metric. Honestly really surprising that they released such an uncompetitive vehicle.

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doggy-dad@reddit

When I was at the Mercedes dealership I mentioned that system is way too complicated. The repair bills have to be insane if something goes wrong. The sales guy laughed and said ya, that's why everyone's leasing them.

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MsAnneThropicOF@reddit

I have the GLC63s, same engine setup. I made them throw in a 7 year 100k warranty because of this. I got it for $10k under MSRP too, the C63s was $15k off, but didn't want a sedan.

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doggy-dad@reddit

lol that's crazy they're discounting it that much. tells you how well they're selling i guess...

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MsAnneThropicOF@reddit

To be fair, i bought a 2023 GLC when they first came out for 7% off, and that’s their best seller and I got the first one that my dealership got in. I dont think MB ever go for MSRP except for the rare REALLY Expensive cars.

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su1ac0@reddit

Capitalism, baby.

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RazingsIsNotHomeNow@reddit

As if the current C63s weren't devalued enough lol. In probably 5 years you'll be able to get the 4 banger C63s used for barely anymore than the C300.

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Astandsforataxia69@reddit

You probably shouldn't because it is a very complex car

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nondescriptzombie@reddit

The problem with all C63's.

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clownpirate@reddit

Is it, at least to this degree? I don’t think any previous C63 approaches this level of “I’m a time bomb!” with the high strung 4cyl and hybrid system.

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Bot_Fly_Bot@reddit

The W205 and W204 C63s were actually not especially complicated and were quite reliable.

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su1ac0@reddit

virtually every C class AMG has been very reliable. Arguably the pre-update w204 suffered the same issues as all M156 cars with head bolts and cam phasers, but we've had over a decade of data to show it affected a very small number of motors.

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EloeOmoe@reddit

virtually every C class AMG has been very reliable.

There was a class action lawsuit over how unreliable the M156 in the C63 was.

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su1ac0@reddit

A class action lawsuit that was filed and then dismissed. If that's the metric, then there's no such thing as a reliable manufacturer.

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IStillLikeBeers@reddit

Dismissed for lack of standing, but putting that aside, is it not true that the M156 has serious issues over time with the camshaft and valve lifters?

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Haematobic@reddit

Those head bolt issues were the exception rather than the norm.

Exhibit A: this ML63 AMG engine with 450.000km was never cracked open and the mechanic (a well known German guy) points this out in the video.

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ilikeweirdcars@reddit

The biggest issue with the M156 is the head bolts. That was revised in 2010/11 though.

They can have camshaft and valve lifter issues, though it’s not as big of an issue as the head bolts are. If you get one that was well maintained you likely wouldn’t have these issues.

As far as I know, 2012+ M156’s are pretty solid.

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su1ac0@reddit

Is it not true that I specifically called that out in my original comment?

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EloeOmoe@reddit

My dude, surely you understand that the class action being dismissed does not negate the well known fact that the M156 had head bolt and cam shaft issues.

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The3rdbaboon@reddit

The new hybrid V8 turbo in the AMG GT seems just as complicated to me but at least it’s a V8.

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NotPumba420@reddit

Because it is as complicated. Very similar package

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strongmanass@reddit

That would be the last one I'd buy. There are two variants of the non-hybridized V8 you could buy and not have to worry about $10K bills.

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Smegma-Santorum@reddit

Yeah except when the DCT breaks

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ikilledtupac@reddit

One trip to the dealer for repair and it’s mechanically totaled

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steezebuscemi1@reddit

That's what I've been wondering. At what price does the 4 Cylinder C63 suddenly become a compelling used buy.

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UniStudent69420@reddit

That honestly sounds kind of fun lol. Imagine a 680 hp car for the same price as a C300. Sure, it handles like shit but you know it's going to be a missile in a straight line.

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strongmanass@reddit

Imagine a 680 hp car for the same price as a C300.

Give the electric Dodge Charger a few months.

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UniStudent69420@reddit

I don't want to be associated with the type of people who drive a Dodge Charger though.

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PancakesandGTA@reddit

so black people?

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Thomas_633_Mk2@reddit

Bro what the actual fuck

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PancakesandGTA@reddit

It’s not wrong to say that black people are commonly associated with dodge chargers and challengers, or most any Mopar sports car or truck. Be upset at the guys above me who are flaunting dog whistles about

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Thomas_633_Mk2@reddit

I know the point of dogwhistles is that they're deniable, but I definitely think of street takeovers and poor people before I think of any racial connotations when it comes to negative stereotypes around mopar

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PancakesandGTA@reddit

what is an australian doing talking to me about american citizens, stereotypes, and automobiles 🙄

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Thomas_633_Mk2@reddit

The world is American my friend

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vagabond139@reddit

It's all fun and games until something goes wrong in the super complex drivetrain that's out of warranty.

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UniStudent69420@reddit

I mean, the electric part of the drivetrain should be reliable as they tend to require far less maintenance and are far simpler mechanically than an internal combustion engine. The batteries may need replacing but that usually comes after like 20 years at which point the car would be junk anyway.

What I'd be most worried about is the M139 engine itself. Pushing 470 horsepower out of a 2.0 litre I4 is no joke and that likely means it's already operating near its limits. No one knows how that will hold up 10 years down the line.

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JALbert@reddit

The first generation of the motor has been on the road for 10 years and to my knowledge there haven't been any major reliability issues. I think there were occasional turbo issues in the original model years followed by improvements with the 1/2 year facelift. It's basically the 3rd or 4th generation of the engine at this point and multiple other manufacturers like Lotus are licensing the motor.

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fancygamer@reddit

I have driven one on an autocross track and it hides its weight surprisingly well. So I would say it handles much better than the E53 which is already a great handling car.

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Quick_Coyote_7649@reddit

They haven’t said that. It’s likely to come back though but they’ve only said they’re working on a new V8 and that they will continue to make V8’s and V12’s

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shellmiro@reddit

CLE63 testing mules are rumoured to have a V8 PHEV setup

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NotPumba420@reddit

Not phev but mild hybrid (no big battery and no charging port)

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shellmiro@reddit

Isn't it the same setup from the S63e and the GT63SE and GT4Door 63SE? They're all PHEVs with a charging port

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NotPumba420@reddit

Nope it‘s not an „e“. Very small battery, no charging port, and the electric motor has like 20hp. It‘s basically ICE and they replaced the normal starter with a small electric 48v motor

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shellmiro@reddit

Ah so it's mostly for emissions and complaince I assume. All the better for weight and reliability if there isn't too much hybrid fluff. Is it the same system that is in the c300?

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NotPumba420@reddit

Not even that. Simply every single ice mercedes engine has that these days. It starts smoother and is a tiny bit more efficient. Yes same as in c300 or basically literally every ice mercedes except for very very few

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AmazonPuncher@reddit

They should try just putting a V8 in something without the electric bullshit. Lots of manufacturers just cant help themselves.

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strongmanass@reddit

The people want an NA V8.

The people wouldn't be willing to pay the emissions fines that would have to be baked into the purchase price. The people also don't like the relative lack of low-end torque of a NA engine.

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ResEng68@reddit

Happy to pay the few thousand in CAFE fees here in the states.

I agree that the European reqs are more onerous and a material headwind.

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NotPumba420@reddit

In EU it would be 20k € per vehicle today and heavily increasing in the future. And there is also a level where it is too much - so it‘s not a fine but straight illegal. And on top of that the country specific fines are insane. Many EU but also asian countries have insane extra fines on high emission big engine vehicles. In china a 6 liter costs like 3 times as much.

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strongmanass@reddit

That's why you can get a supercharged V8 Mustang from Ford for under $50K.

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Quick_Coyote_7649@reddit

A lot of people prefer twin turbos, it’s the reason why a lot of manufactures don’t sell NA V8’s

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AmazonPuncher@reddit

Nobody prefers twin turbos.

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Quick_Coyote_7649@reddit

Don’t you think if the demand was notable for manuals at least very limited production and one off cars would more often be manual, puncher?

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AmazonPuncher@reddit

I wasnt talking about manuals, but also no. For two reasons. One, manufacturers dont know what they're doing. 3 or 4 manufacturers, all at the same time, made some idiotic multi million dollar windshieldless "hypercar" and they all struggled to sell. Go read whats going on over at ferrarichat, go look at resale for their newest cars. People arent too jazzed about what they're putting out as-is.

Two, The used market proves that real enthusiasts value the older, manual cars more than what they're making now. The disconnect is that real enthusiasts are a very small percentage of who is buying these new cars. The person who buys a 296 is the same person who buys a patek because they're rich and wanted a rich-guy watch. They arent watch enthusiasts, they dont know very much about watches or cars, but they want the rich-guy thing and they at least know what brands to buy. This is evident from talking to anyone who buys this shit.

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Quick_Coyote_7649@reddit

I edited my comment while you were typing dude. Manuals was a typo and common sense should’ve told you that since we weren’t talking about manuals

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AmazonPuncher@reddit

I can tell you're kind of an idiot. People get into multiple different conversations at the same time on reddit and confuse who they're talking to. I assumed you did that.

People buy twin turbo v8s because thats what is available. Not much more to it.

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Quick_Coyote_7649@reddit

You thought my comment that seemed rather directed at you besides the use of manual was directed at somebody else? Yeah common sense should’ve told you what actually was the case. If people who had absurd amounts of money got in contact with executives from car brands whether they had to speak to someone from a dealership or not, to let them know that they wanted a manual of a car that’s in their lineup or a coach built car they’d make it for the right cost.

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AmazonPuncher@reddit

Starting to think I might be talking to a teenager if you think that is at all how the making of these vehicles is handled. Going to block you.

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Quick_Coyote_7649@reddit

I think a group of executives from for starters one car brand know better what the demand for NA engines is better then you do lol.

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AmazonPuncher@reddit

You're a fool if you think that demand is all that goes into it. There are plenty of reasons they dont offer an NA v8. That doesnt change the fact that people would prefer it.

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anonymooseantler@reddit

the electric bullshit is often required for them to meet environmental restrictions

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AmazonPuncher@reddit

Part of why modern cars are garbage.

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BeingRightAmbassador@reddit

they should rumor removing the B pillar and making it less cheap on the inside.

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Maleficent_Lab_8291@reddit

If you don't want to be flattened into a pancake you need that B-pillar, or pay extra $$$ for a carbon monocoqueque

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BeingRightAmbassador@reddit

If you don't want to be flattened into a pancake you need that B-pillar

No you don't

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Maleficent_Lab_8291@reddit

That one still has a b-pillar

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BeingRightAmbassador@reddit

I updated the link to the right test of a coupe, and it still shows you don't.

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Maleficent_Lab_8291@reddit

CLE is significantly heavier than the old E-class coupe, that's why the roof needed to be reinforced with a B-pillar, the 63 is going to be even heavier with a V8 hybrid setup, so there's that

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BeingRightAmbassador@reddit

If you take the 20,852 lb peak force and apply it to a CLE63 (let's say 5500 lbs based on the S63E's 5700 lbs and M5's V8 PHEV is 5400 lbs), without ANY additional engineering, that would instantly place the roof test (20,852/5500 = 3.79) in the "Acceptable" category.

For them to reach "Marginal" of 3.24, the car would have to weigh 6,435 lbs. Again, without ANY additional work, it would acceptable.

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BeingRightAmbassador@reddit

The test I linked was done on a "2017 Mercedes-Benz E 300 4-door 2wd" which when you look at a picture like this one, you can see there is no B pillar.

You just looked at the top of the page where they used the sedan as the parent picture.

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Egoist-a@reddit

Wasn’t that already confirmed?

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shellmiro@reddit

Not officially

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ukcats12@reddit

This looks to be about as reliable as the previous set of rumors that were quickly denied. "Sources" were exactly what the previous reporting from 2023 said. I'll believe it when I see it on a showroom floor.

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Quick_Coyote_7649@reddit

Fr lol. Mercedes litearly has hammered down so many times too that the V8 is not coming back to it lol. I’m pretty sure either they intend on the CLE63 filling it’s place and won’t sell a facelifted C63 or will just give it an in-line 6

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ukcats12@reddit

Putting the V8 in the CLE63 would devalue the C63 even more. You'd basically have a scenario where the coupe C63 has a V8 and the sedan has a 4 cylinder. They've really put themselves into a such a stupid situation with this 4 cylinder decision.

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Quick_Coyote_7649@reddit

I think they’re willing to stomach that right now. I think they’re ready to just give the C63 a farewell and not a glorious one either and if they do they’ll probably sell a super limited amount of C63s with V8’s. If they feel real cheeky too maybe they’ll split the units up as twin turbos and NAs.

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anonymooseantler@reddit

Remember when people were saying the same thing about the rumours of the C63 going 4-pot?

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strongmanass@reddit

Speculation as usual

Citing anonymous sources within Mercedes-Benz, British magazine Autocar wrote that the new V8 that AMG has confirmed it’s developing will land between the C63’s flared fenders in 2026.

The Autocar quote:

Sources within the German brand have told Autocar that following the CLE 63, the V8 will be rolled out to other models, including a revised C63 due in 2026. In response, a spokesperson for Mercedes-AMG denied this.

Autocar is one of the best motoring publications anywhere, but until Mercedes make an official announcement this is just a rumor.

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apintofpantaloni@reddit

I wonder what those 4cyls are gonna be worth in 10 years.

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HawaiiLawStudent@reddit

the batteries will also die in about 10 years lol.

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olmoscd@reddit

the number youre thinking probably isnt low enough

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DarkMatterM4@reddit

It's already got a strike against it that it's a used Benz. Add to that it's an UNDESIRABLE used Benz, and I'd say it'll be worth about tree fiddy.

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Key_Budget9267@reddit

In 10 years we'll be seeing lazy Jalopnik articles titled "this top-level Mercedes AMG from 10 years ago is SHOCKINGLY cheap!!!!"

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BipedalWurm@reddit

How many wooden nickels is that?

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crazyjncsu@reddit

At least they’ll have rarity going for them

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pq11333@reddit

Im probabaly one of the few that really liked the 4cyl engine. Something about tiny engines making insane amounts of power from the factory reliably gives me f1 vibes.

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Candid_Walrus5599@reddit

Good car)

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Medsec@reddit

Will the V8 affect handling?

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themariokarters@reddit

And we will purchase it. Funny how that works

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humdizzle@reddit

damn the 4 cylinder cars are probably gonna drop harder than an EV now lol

90-100k msrp car might be under 40-50k in a couple years. But honestly im not even sure if they are going to move well that price. i'd still probably take an M340i over it.

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oOoWTFMATE@reddit

I miss the days when Lexus, BMW, and Mercedes used to compete for the sports sedan market. M3 vs c63 vs ISF.

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Big_Size_2519@reddit

the top gear episode of m3 vs c63 and rs4 is my favorite. Sad that rivalry has no hype anymore and the M3 clears

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oOoWTFMATE@reddit

Good call on rs4. Those were the good days before bmw just beat everyone on everything.

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nevergonnastawp@reddit

We did it boys!

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oOoWTFMATE@reddit

At least they’re listening to their consumer base

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Insanity-Paranoid@reddit

In my opinion, people wouldn't be as pissed if the C63 was a straight 6 or was twin-charged like Polestar 1.

It's as if they managed to pick the option that would make as many people as possible unhappy.

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Fortenio@reddit

4 cylinder anything63 AMG is haram beyond comprehension. Hopefully Mercedes has come to sense and this comes to fruition.

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iry4@reddit

Mercedes-AMG C63S V8-biturbo 4MATIC Final Edition Edition 1

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megacookie@reddit

Interesting if they go with a flat plane crank as the article mentions. Aside from having the correct number of cylinders, it'd still be missing the classic burble that most buyers would expect of a V8. Doubt they'd make it an 8000+ rpm screamer too.

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Hefty-Cauliflower981@reddit

Whats the point of a flat plane crank of you dont make it a high rpm screamer. Doubt they wont make it atleast 7500rpm,

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megacookie@reddit

The AMG GT Black Series had a flat plane crank and redlined at 7k. Interestingly its predecessor the SLS Black Series reached 8k with a crossplane crank.

I guess having turbos means it's not really all that necessary to rev quite as high to make more power, but Mercedes still saw a benefit for the FPC.

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EloeOmoe@reddit

7500 seems like a waste TBQH. I doubt it would go much higher if it's a hot V.

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Capri280@reddit

Did the W205 also have fake noises or is that a new thing?

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ukcats12@reddit

The facelift definitely has "enhanced" engine noise coming through the speaker, not sure about the pre-facelift. But every performance car these days has the same thing. Mustangs, M cars, the Blackwings, they all have some sort of artificial engine noise coming through the speakers.

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