Stalin killed many millions of people. Lenin too. Since your posts are in Russian I guess this is the first you’re hearing about this. Your country has a funny way of rewriting history
And again you begin to compose, drawing your own conclusions, it is not clear what are based on. You said about 10+ million killed by Stalin. You also dragged Lenin into the killers)))) And now seriously, why do you sock such nonsense, and even persist in it? Let's first tell about the 10 + million killed by Stalin, and then, about the same apparently figure, but already killed by Lenin. Enlighten me please.
Well first there’s the secret police. Dissenters and people rightly upset about communistic totalitarianism were killed to keep them from talking. Then there’s the gulag labor camps that worked political prisoners to death. And good old starvation, because communism and no food go together like bread and butter.
Lenin pulled the same shit, killing those that opposed him and threatened his power, gulags, all the lovely stuff that makes the same among us despise communism and it’s despots.
Sorry, but it was about 10+ million killed personally by Stalin, and even Lenin, in addition. Let me help you a little, from 1923 to 1959 less than 8 million people passed through the entire penitentiary department, despite the fact that there were two wars and a revolution: murderers, thieves, rapists and other wonderful guys. For 36 years - less than 8 million people. If you're wondering if that's a lot or a little, there are 2 million people in the US every year. Every year. And now, attention to the question - where are the 10+ million killed personally by Stalin, with less than 8 million who served time at that time during the entire period of his reign?
They starved to death, died of disease or were summarily executed and the government didn’t report it. Everything you just said is subject to the Russian government’s whim. From the mouth of someone who escaped communism I was told that people, especially those that went against The Party, just disappeared. They were likely put into secret labor camps kept off the books or just killed.
Stalin, Lenin, Mao, all those communist “leaders” were bad people. The fact that you’re defending them is mind boggling.
And again, we move from direct answers to the stage of emotional conjectures and assumptions. The Soviet Union was at the forefront in education and medicine. Your country was the leader in the field of propaganda and advertising. Here we are together and reap the result. The worst thing about this is that you continue to persist and make up nonsense, even when I gave you a specific fact of stupidity. I'm not surprised, since education in your country is still very expensive and out of reach for ordinary people like you. It is also felt in the drastic segregation that you decided to carry out against me right away, without even asking me. This feels the huge layer of the problem of racism that has covered your country. But a lot of people in your country are brought up in this paradigm of hatred and stupidity. This is one of those problems, by the way, that Comrade Stalin, so hated by you, could solve. But of course, they will continue to lie to you about 10+ million killed by him personally, and you will be happy to bear it like a fool. Despite the fact that all data on repressions were declassified more than 30 years ago.
“Comrade” Stalin was a liar and murderer. The USSR Crumbled as America prospered. Communism serves to prop up few and kill many. It pretends to be salvation as it oppresses. I hope you can get out of the ravages of it, before you become a statistic.
Oh my god, I understand why there is so much dirt, nonsense and propaganda in your head. Lenin is a killer))) It's not even funny. Up to 12 million people died in the civil war, and it began with the Czechoslovak corps, which went through the entire USSR with a fiery scythe. It was a terrible loss for the entire country. But when your authors refer to losses in combat operations and say that they were killed and tortured by Lenin - well, this is just the height of idiocy. Did you even read the links that you threw off to me?))) Even in your "non-polite" Wikipedia, the author writes that about 1.5 million people probably died in the camps all the time, and this screwed into the general system all the captured Germans, Romanians, Bulgarians, Hungarians from the side of the defeated Nazis, and even the defeated Japanese, Filipinos and Manchurians in addition - I’ll just remind you that the USSR also ended the war with Japan by defeating the 1,5 million Kwantung Army))) According to your sources, it turns out that fewer people died in the camps of the USSR than in two atomic bombs in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I don’t even know how to comment on this when, trying to argue, they throw data at you that your opponent is put on the shoulder blades. This is really the extravaganza of your education system. I hope you can escape from there before you become the final zombified victim. And let me remind you that in your prosperous USA every year there are as many prisoners as during 10 years of Stalin's rule. Let me remind you that all data is declassified. If suddenly, you really become interested in how much propaganda has washed you, you can turn to the real archives
You don’t get any reward, because you didn’t even bother to find out what country I was from and immediately behaved like an asshole.
My country does not attack anyone. Should I list how many dozens of countries your country has attacked over the past 30 years? After all, it is you who defend the country that breeds terrorists and parasitizes on other countries.
I'll just tell you what the communists fought for, for what you're afraid to even dream about now:
1. No to slavery
2. No oligarchs
3. All the land to the people
4. Free education for all
5. Free healthcare for everyone
6. No to racism - international
7. Fair remuneration for work
8. Space
9. Free food
10. Free water
11. Free housing
12. Equal rights for all
13. 8 hour work day, etc.
You know what's the funniest thing about all of this. But they will lie to you all your life that the "damned" Stalin, together with Lenin, personally killed 2 billion people, since you have no way to find out the truth. To do this, they make you minimally educated, just so that you can at least not eat sand.
Well you’re active in r/Pikabu, which calls itself “The Russian side of Reddit,” and commonly type in Cyrillic, so I’m guessing you’re Russian.
As for all your other points, that worked out real well didn’t it? The USSR fell, Communist China fell, Venezuela, Cuba, Laos, North Korea, all failed by communism and its offshoots.
For your reading pleasure, here’s Boris Yeltsin being amazed at an average grocery store https://blog.chron.com/thetexican/2014/04/when-boris-yeltsin-went-grocery-shopping-in-clear-lake/
China fell? Cuba fell? Is that why there are 120 pages of sanctions against them now? Venezuela fell? Vietnam fell? And the Moon is probably made of white cheese)) - Young man, you have specific problems with perception. I'm even afraid to imagine what you did at school, if there was one. Boris Yeltsin is a sick alcoholic who beat the people and fired tanks at the parliament. The purest Western creature, whose task was to ruin and plunder the country. For this condom, in principle, everything that was not related to booze was surprising. The whole country was then captured by bandits. That's who the real Stalin and Lenin from your story.
After all, you are young and you have no idea how much the Soviet communists did for a hard worker from the USA. Until now, the whole of Eastern Europe lives in houses that were built by the communists and receives electricity from a thermal power plant that was built by them. I'm not talking about everything else. What has your country done for the world?
The telephone. The cotton gin. Electric light. Modern cinema. The steamboat. Airplanes. First on the moon. The phonograph. The assembly line. Numerous biological, astronomical, and other scientific advantages.
We beat back the Germans in WWI. We beat back the Germans in WW2. We beat back the Japanese in WWII. We kept the North Koreans out of south korea. We air listed thousands of tons of supplies to West Germany, who was impacted by the Berlin Wall which was built to keep people from escaping Soviet-controlled east Germany to allied-controlled west Germany.
We provide security for the world and protect the little guy against despots like Putin. The United States, for all her faults, remains a beacon of freedom and success that people break the law just to get a chance at.
Planes are nonsense. Briton Kaley and Hansen were the first, and then Santos-Dumont.
Electricity - Faraday and Volta were before.
Cinematography - the Lumiere brothers. First on the Moon??)) - the first man in space - Yuri Gagarin.
During the First World War, your country was waiting for the end of the meat grinder in Europe, and then connected when the outcome of the war was already clear.
World War II? - your country until 1944 supplied the Nazis with coal, oil, reserves and other things, and when the situation became clear - rushed to seize the remnants of Europe as soon as possible. In no way do I belittle the exploits of US veterans in Normandy, but this is such a small episode of the Second World War that I don’t even know. (On the eastern front, 75% of the personnel and over 80% of the equipment of the Nazis were destroyed.) In addition, they also put the Nazis in charge of a bunch of institutions in the United States, in fact, without issuing them even to Nuremberg.
Japan? I just wrote to you that the war with Japan was only over when the USSR destroyed the 1.5 million Kwantung army in a month. It's true to throw two atomic bombs on innocent civilians - yes, it's only your country that distinguished itself.
These are all just bare facts. Your knowledge of history is truly worthy of the praise of your teachers. Just bravo. But nevertheless, with such knowledge, you climb to discuss the communists, despite the fact that you don’t even understand elementary history ... But I haven’t even begun to explain to you about the great French revolution, but where, there’s so little about it films were shot, how do you know about it ...
Sure, it was Communism that caused starvation, and not the staggering destruction, death and displacement that comes from Nazis invading you. Think for like 5 seconds lol
I feel like fallout players don't understand the full extent of how dangerous ghouls are. First, the idea of them turning feral is a very real, and very likely possibility, therefore allowing them to settle in a largely disarmed community like Tenpenny Tower was always going to be a death sentence for it's residents. Second, Roy's ghouls band aren't refugees, there's raiders. Roy is willing to murder the entire towers population in order to get in, and he's been actively trying to do so since the moment he first moved into the metro. Sharing your house with someone who wants to kill you is an obviously bad idea. Lastly, and this isn't nearly as extreme as the others, but ghouls are essentially corpses. Their ugliness might not be deadly, but the rotting flesh stench and the diseases it brings with it most certainly are.
The Tenpenny Tower quest always bugged me. It treats the lone wanderer as a messiah who's come to save the day, but if you think about it for more than two seconds you'll realise that he's just some naive kid forcing people out of the homes to go die in the wasteland, all so they can be replaced with a band of untrustworthy ghouls who will literally go on to commit populicide against the humans should the player take this path.
The quest isn't really a straight forward good guys vs. bad guys thing. Both sides suck on their own merit. The most humane thing is to kill them all yourself.
Tenpenny Tower is a shades of grey quest within a black and white game. There is no good karma outcome for this quest, which makes it the bane of any good karma playthrough. It would've been nice to have an option to finish the quest in a way that doesn't involve commiting genocide, but as it stands I tend to just avoid it in my good karma playthroughs.
The timer for when the humans are killed starts as soon as the quest is completed, and you cant stop it even if you kill all the ghouls. Killing Roy should stop that timer, but should doesn't mean much when your talking about a Bethesda game.
It would've been nice to have an option to finish the quest in a way that
I chalk this up to completionist mindsets. Not saying that's a bad thing, I totally get wanting to clear out your quest log. But it's an open-world game, you're literally free to ignore any quests you don't want to do. That the quest will forever remain uncompleted is simply a consequence of not adding failure states that completely lock you out of a quest, leaving it forever frozen in time regardless of how long to play the game But that doesn't even apply for this specific quest, there are ways to deliberately "fail" the quest like just going and killing both Tenpenny and Roy because they're both awful people. It's a roleplaying game after all.
The quest will break if you kill all three quest givers, so you cant fail it. Also, I'm well aware that it's entirely my own completionist mindset, and I don't in anyway claim that this small issue someone brings down the game experience. Hell, if it were as simple as killing all three quest givers then I wouldn't have even mentioned it in the first place.
There is no evidence that confirms that anyone else in Tenpenny Tower is aware of the nuke plan, as you cant ask anyone about it. There is, however, plenty of dialogue confirming that the others members of Roy's gang are aware of the populicide plan.
That's irrelevant anyway. An evil person killing another evil person for evil reasons doesn't make them any less evil.
Honestly their is nothing that really implies ghouls normally go feral unless like weird supernatural shit or something strange is going on most of the time. You can have non feral glowing ones, I've always personally assumed it was a case of someone's brain being fried in a bad way during the war most of the time.
We have camp searchlight that also showcased that like just a massive radation bomb going off can ghoul you & like it was just a mix of ferals & normal ghouls. I honestly think it's probably luck of the draw, you have a low luck stat and you turn into a feral probs or something.
I think the radiation itself is why they go feral. And as far as the game play goes, it's only glowing ghouls that irradiated those around them. And there was also one glowing ghoul who was not feral. So its not rot. If I recall correctly, pretty much all the ghouls are actually people who were alive when the bombs dropped. So intelligent ghouls are hundreds of years old.
I only picked it up at 3 -> NV -> parts of 4. I had a thousand hours or more between 3 and NV back in the day. By the time 4 came out, my life had changed to where games weren't such a part of it. I'd never played FO2 either.
You are correct that Ghouls are all people who were alive when the first bombs were dropped. Ghouls still sane by the times of FO games are ancient, and often incredibly skilled. The best example of this is probably Raul from FONV. Raul was born in 2047, and the events of NV happen in 2281, putting Raul at 234 years old. He's a great mechanic in game, but he's also been a gunslinger and an honest to god cowboy. He's invented several different personalities and life stories in his life, and when he feels it's time to move on he just does. Ghouls honestly have the opportunity for some of the most fascinating writing in the entire FO universe simply because of how old they are/ can get.
There was a nuclear accident where the dude got impaled by a control rod and it stuck through him and embedded in the ceiling. It took a while to recover the bodies because of the radiation and whatnot and when they finally got the bodies there was no decomposition because the radiation killed everything. They were buried in lead coffins.
Feral Ghouls exist because the radiation rots away at a ghoul's brain. There isn't much info on why Ghouls can even be alive, but this fact proves they are certainly rotting. The toned down designs of Fallout 4 can give off the impression that they are little more than burn victims, but they certainly aren't. Ghouls in all other games are portrayed as rotting corpses that are unnaturally alive, and it's also not uncommon for a Ghouls limbs to fall off, though they can be stitch back on at a later date with no loss of function.
What Ghouls are exactly isn't all too clear due to the lack of info that the games give about their biology, but whether they are rotting due to radiation or due to decomposition, one this is certain: they are rotting.
"Rotting" from radiation is different than normal rotting. High doses of radiation can break down tissue, which is not the same as biological decomposition.
Yeah, it always bothered me how naive players are regarding Ghouls, and even Super Mutants, dismissing any distrust or hostility towards them by characters or factions as just being blind "racism". Now sure some factions and characters clearly act in a hateful xenophobic manner which is not okay, but unlike real life there is a basis for it.
You covered it for Ghouls, but the same is true for Super Mutants. The first Super Mutants were a zealous army who wanted to commit genocide against humanity and turn everyone into themselves as the new "master race", the majority after that then became violent monsters with various levels of intelligence. Sure some Super Mutants are intelligent and peaceful, like those in Jacobstown and of course they should be left alone, but when in the majority of encounters with them they would be likely to kill you on sight you cant blame people for being fearful and hostile towards them. The same is ESPECIALLY true for the East Coast where 99.99% of Super Mutants are mindless monsters, will ones possessing intelligence and reason being a literal one in a million outlier.
That's just the way people are. Everyone wants to be inclusive and accepting, but nobody wants to consider the logistics and consequences that come with being so. The fact that Fallout is just a game where the player does not need to face the consequences of their actions doesn't help the general disregard for the problems that stem from human-mutant integration.
At the end of the day, we're both looking at this as if it were the real world. Sure, ghouls can turn feral at any moment, but since that isn't a feature in gameplay the community is content to ignore it. And Sure, Fallout has diseases, but they don't affect the player, and so they are therefore disregarded as well.
The idea of ghouls turning feral isn’t an eventuality, especially with some ghouls. There are even some Glowing Ones who aren’t feral (although I’d imagine that’s a hell of its own kind). But we don’t really know what causes feralness in ghouls, officially. Maybe repeated exposure to rads?
It is an eventuality that all ghouls will inevitably become feral, though the time span is not consistent, and the rate of degeneration is influenced by both radiation and the individuals tolerance towards it. Some ghouls can live in a rad free environment and end up feral after just a few weeks, while other ghouls could live in California for centuries and still retain the same cognitive function. I'll admit that saying it's an inevitability, while true, is misleading, as a ghoul could theoretically live for thousands of years without going feral, thus making their inevitable loss of cognitive function seem way too far off to be relevant.
Also, we do have a lore reason as to why ghouls go feral. The cause is that ghouls are sustained off radiation which given time will begin to rot away the ghoul's brain, causing the ghoul to lose cognitive ability and become aggressive, much like a traditional zombie's origin story.
That’s true, but that makes glowing ones unique when they don’t go feral…are they meant to not go feral and just make other ghouls feral? Kind of like a carrier of a disease…
Glowing Ones are special ghouls that have absorbed so much radiation that they've begun to glow, or atleast that's what I think they are. Therefore, I don't think that them almost always being feral is a result of them being a glowing one, but rather an unrelated side effect of the accelerated deterioration resulting from the radiation exposure that creates glowing ones.
As for Jason Bright and the non-feral glowing ones, I think that they might just be a very rare kind of ghoul that has a radiation tolerance that exceeds the amount that's needed to become a glowing one, or atleast that's my theory. Either that or maybe the Eldritch God's of Fallout have granted them their immunity through their divine destiny, which would explain why Jason Bright has such an ironic name.
I often think that in zombies movies. People get covered in rotting brains constantly with no medical infrastructure left and no one gets sick. That said, I don't think ghouls rot like that. They are deteriorating, but I'm pretty certain they are highly radioactive so probably relatively germ free. I think they are just ugly, not a biohazard (though they probably should be a radiation hazard, but no one seems bothered by that)
Not every verse has non-human creatures (even of same sort f.e. vampires) that are equally dangerous or equally peacefull. Each should be judged accordingly to their own worldbuilding. Vampires, orcs, ghouls and anything like that.
Uhhhhhh idk why this is the top upvoted comment cuz its bullshit? The ghouls just say shit like they took out the trash and they killed everyone including individuals who were heavily pro ghoul. They literally piled up their naked bodies in a storm room with feral ghouls lmao.
Except the bast majority of actions you take in exactly the same way in the vast majority of video games including all Bethesda games have positive outcomes if you do what is "morally good"
Indeed, in Fallout 3 if you help a lonely old lady get a violin and a music sheet book, the morally good thing would be to ask for no reward. And for doing so you get... Nothing but good karma.
But if you ask her to offer something for your efforts, you'll get a nice haul of ammo and one of the strongest guns in the vanilla game.
You can still do good deeds and ask for something in return for your hard work.
Depends if you define good as a black or white thing with no nuance or understanding that some things can be both.
One could say the moment that you want more from a good deed beyond the act of doing it, it becomes a selfish deed. Or you could say that only doing a good deed for material gain invalidates the genuine good the deed does, because it was not done with the intent of goodness but payment. One could even go as far as to say doing a good deed with the expectation that you are now allowed to do evil things for a good reason, like murdering raiders for fun, also invalidates any good will because your motive is not to help others but to inflict pain and death.
Lmao, this exact thing happened when Europe haphazardly split africa into different countries without caring about the residents. Rival villages are suddenly neighbors, and neighbors are suddenly foreign.
since he happily lets burke nuke megaton, i honestly doubt there was even an altercation, given that the residents who were accepting of ghouls didn’t leave the tower. Dude’s just a piece of shit.
Compromise is not the solution to every problem, especially if the root issue of the problem has not been solved. The root issue in this case was that 90% of the ghoul population that moved in consisted out of mindless flesh-eating zombies, which were railed in by three people.
Achsually, if you return to Tenpenny Tower after you achieve the compromisse and find the entire human population dead and talk to Roy Phillips (the racist ghoul leader guy) he pretty much confirms that the killing of the residents was his idea and that he gave the ferals the order to do their thing, whereas if you kill Roy after achieving "peace" and finishing the quest and come back later you will find out that everyone is still alive.
Thus the lesson is that if you want peace you should shoot all the bastards who say no-no to this idea.
All race is a human invented thing. Consider how Italian people used to be considered not white in America, or how on the Rwandan genocide Hutu/Tutsi was entirely divorced from any physical appearance.
They were once created in gods image, yet they dared allow themselves to be remade in their bastardized state, someone must show them the folly of their form.
Its more centrally located as well. I realize thats not as important, wih fast travel, but just headcannon means I'd rather have it in Megaton.
And then theres merchants. Every 20 or so hours of playing I'd load up with all my "sell-ables" with a roving trader outfit on, head to all the different vendors in the wasteland. Blowing up megaton removes a major one!
Though, once you've discovered Rivet City and Underworld, I suppose you can't physically carry enough items to sell to them AND Megaton/Tenpenny.
In my experience, one of the most dopamine inducing experience is to sell all the shit I collected and make like 200-300 caps each time. People kinda play down barter, IMO it defines good karma run, just like how stealing defines vice versa
Wow. I have nuked Megaton mid-quest with Moira and I could have swore the quest line is removed. I never found her after nuking. I've done multiple playthroughs with hundreds of hours. Not every day I learn something new about that game.
Yup, you effectively choose between having Megaton as a home, and Tenpenny Tower. And the only way to join the 'elite' is by destroying innocent lives.
It's some of the best damn loot in the game. All of Fallout 3 is underlined by a tunnel system that is filled with ghouls. Exploring down there is much easier with the mask in the early game when you're not yet OP.
I've not used it because I prefer to exerminate all (feral) ghouls.
Loot and XP, baby. Its not like I'm scared of them!
Also, its not like I'm going to carry it around with me and re-load the game when I get attacked by ghouls, just to put the mask on... and I'm certainly not going to choose to wear the mask "full-time" as you can't wear glasses with it on.
Oh I still kill them for XP. But since they won't immediately turn hostile it gets easier to get the drop on them. Also you don't get the jump scared when you miss one and it comes running up behind you.
Most ghouls go feral, while only a minority stay sane. They look mostly identical except that sane ghouls dress much like normal humans, while feral ghouls are usually in rags.
In a world that is doing its best to kill you, paranoia easily hardens into prejudice.
That's the thing about making ghouls an allegory for racial tensions. When the "other race" has the potential to transform (a transformation they don't control btw) into a monster that can't be reasoned with the racial allegory falls apart. Mexicans, black folks, or any other ethnic group won't turn into a murderous monster if exposed to a little too much radiation.
Would you consider a person who goes crazy due to some mental illness or other reasons not to be human anymore? Feral ghouls are still human, they’re just not civilized anymore.
Honestly if that person was already a radioactive wannabe zombie and then started attacking everyone and everything with their claws (especially if that's something one can't 'fix'), then yeah, I guess they've lost their humanity somewhere along the way
That’s all well and good. But it doesn’t make them not humans anymore. I don’t know why people are making it about what should be done with them, when at no point did I ever say what should be done with them. Just that they’re still humans, and it isn’t accurate to consider them as a separate race or species.
Doesn’t change the fact that they’re human. The topic isn’t whether or not feral ghouls are okay to kill or not. It’s whether they’re still human. Which they are, because suffering from some sort of terrible affliction doesn’t make them not humans anymore.
It's annoying that people are switching to "regard" when we already had these words before! Moron, dumb, imbecile, feebleminded, idiot... all such wonderful words that meant the same thing, but no one wants to use them.
"autist" was always intended as a slur. I would say its thrown around on 4Chan like black communities throw around the n-word, but 4Chan is pretty fond of that one too.
Same with super mutants, even though in the first 2 games that’s exactly how they were treated, like messed up humans who be anything from just a worker in a town to a raider trying to mug you.
Then Bethesda needed 2 new enemy types for their new game.
Supermutants were already enemies in 1 and 2, tf you saying? Say what you will, but Bethesda saved fallout, it was supposed to be sold to EA at the time
They were enemies yeah but they also had more potential for there to be more like Marcus, not saying they weren’t enemies just that it was more likely that you could find a “normal” mutant.
And while EA would have 100% butchered fallout, I don’t think I want to agree that bethesda saved it either, as I think the original lore from the first 2 games is better than what bethesda has written.
I Sort of agree with you, Don't get me wrong, I love the OG fallout but there's no guarantee it would have become as popular as it did in bethesda's hands had it remained with Brian Fargo, I'd say they handled the balance between the fallout world building and some mainstream elements to make it a more appealing game to more casual gamers
You’re probably right, although I do find it a bit funny that despite interplay selling the fallout IP to bethesda, they still were able to come back in the form of obsidian and make a fallout game so good that bethesda still hasn’t been able to top it to this day.
True, FNV is my favourite, then again, they built it on the Fallout 3 assets, that's why it looks so dated for 2010 game and how they were able to complete it that quick, Obsidian sadly hasn't exactly had that level of writing after that, most of their past works have been mid, even inXile games, wasteland 2 was pretty good but nowhere near the level of OG fallout and Wasteland 3 was mid and the ending sucked, even for DLCs,
except super mutants are flat out different thing, hence the mutant part, ghouls are just radiated humans, mutants are humans who have been turned into something unhuman, they’re practically animals
They’re humans who got turned into mutants via the FEV virus, when the virus infects humans who aren’t irradiated like the ones who live in vaults, they’re mind remains more intact leaving them more human in mind than animalistic.
Irradiated humans become more animalistic when exposed to FEV, like you said, this is why in the first game the master wants the location of vault 13, so he can make an army of smart mutants.
The only flaw in his plan is that super mutants can’t reproduce and there aren’t many humans that haven’t been affected by radiation, hence why there are so few smart mutants.
So what you're saying is that his plan should have been to create a rad-free vault dweller breeding program, then turn a percentage of the humans produced into super mutants?
Yeah, with only a couple of exceptions, all the Super Mutants were made in a lab, and specifically designed to be super soldiers. Ghouls really are just people who’ve absorbed enough radiation to cause permanent physical (and frequently mental) damage, somehow allowing them to live for hundreds of years.
I don't think it's that weird, it makes sense. We consider zombies to be monsters, and feral ghouls are pretty much zombies. Some people in fallout hate ghouls because they believe they don't know when they will just go full on zombie mode and attack them. Imagine if zombies ate your family and then one day a zombie comes up to you and tries to talk to you. You can see where the prejudice comes from and why people don't consider ghouls to be human.
Because in fallout 1 they had their own society and culture separate from the descendants of survivors and vault dwellers. Many of them have been alive for a hundred or more years. You kinda cease to relate to humans when you have near immortality
I was so sure I was doing the right thing helping the ghouls. Then I came back and they had killed everyone.
I was blown away. I ended up killing all the ghouls.
This mission has stayed with me more than any other mission from any other game.
I believe it's because my intentions were so righteous, and it absolutely turned that right on its head.
A gut punch to your hubris of being the savior of the wastes if you will, and realizing just how naive you can be while being convinced you're doing what's right is a lesson that isn't visited often in games.
I hate how so many games give you simple good or bad choices all the time, sometimes trying to do the right thing is a shitty idea especially if it's for a guy who clearly has motivation to hate and kill the people in there
sometimes trying to do the right thing is a shitty idea
Most of the time trying to do the "right thing" is a shitty idea, or else it would have been done already. Things exist the way they are for a reason. People don't just roll dice to make their life choices.
The thing that makes this even better is when you convince Tenpenny to let the ghouls in, every ghoul hating resident leaves. The only humans left are the ones who are willing to make it work, or weren't even racist in the first place.
You get rid of the actual racist shitbags and the innocents pay the price.
Hell, Tenpenny doesn't really care so long as the ghouls will pay. He's not so much racist as he is classist/just a greedy man. I also vaguely recall that Tenpenny isn't even the origin of the nuke plan, that was all Burke, and he didn't tell Tenpenny that people lived there. Don't quote me on that though. I've only played Fallout 3 once, and I did not blow up Megaton.
I always took it as an allegory for accepting fascists or other intolerant ideologies into democratic discussion. Like the whole “shelter wolves and sheep, you will have only wolves” thing
"Go fuck yourself you don't get meaningful choices" is what he meant. Like why can't you just Kill Roy Phillips? He's basically the only ghoul of the group that is arguably evil. The others are just along for the ride and wouldn't have a problem livign side by side with the Tenpenny Tower residents. Not to mention the Tenpenny tower wannabe rich people don't even have any reason to be rich. What do they do except sit around all day larping as rich folk? Does any of them have a business? A Weapons factory from which they sell guns? A Limonade stand at least? Nope. They're just rich because Bethesda said so. Just like you can't have a different outcome than one group dies with no peaceful option whatsoever because Bethesda said so.
I think you were supposed to feel righteous about them murdering them because they were “da ebil wacists”
Yeah Fallout 3 is where Bethesda writing chops went through the shitter. I remember there was a quest where a boy literally murdered his parents, and tries to murder you when you uncover it. But if you shoot back in self defence, the entire town whom sent you to capture him and make him account for his crimes shoots at you too.
If it was any other developer but completely alien to how humans interact Bethesda, I would have thought it was an oversight.
Fallout 3 was otherwise a very solid game, just it is clear a big reason why New Vegas is remember more fondly is the vastly more competent writing team.
NV was still a bit ham-fisted with the good guy/bad guy plot but at least you can make a case for Caesars legion being more effective at “civilizing” the wastes than the NCR.
FO3 was just “we wanna genocide” “why?” “Because they’re ugly!”
Also they just hand waved away the fact that there were tons of super mutants in DC when the master in FO1 had to spend decades just to amass a small army
I always understood new vegas' choice as one between house and the ncr. A relatively benign dictator that doesn't meddle with the populous beyond forcing everyone into progress vs democracy built in the image of one that formerly failed. Sure, the legion stands opposite the ncr, and there is some legitimacy to rebuilding society by starting over at the first truly great society, but it was never meant to be taken serious in the way the other two groups are.
I mean, your forgetting the Yes man Route, which I feel the game does a lot to genuinely agree with. As well as supports that pathway on a good karma character.
Yeah someone said it was cut content where they developed the legion and I believe it. It could of been fleshed out a lot more like having characters that maybe objected to slavery but saw it as a necessary evil when pacifying violent tribes or something.
Still even if they are the “bad guys” if your familiar with the lore and the world of fallout, you can at least find the logic in their actions- they decided a harsh world needs a harsh rule.
FO3: we want to kill literally anyone that has been irradiated because they’re yucky and gross vs we want to give everyone clean water for free : )
NV: We will cleanse the wasteland of all raiders (and torture/crucify those in our way) and be a little racist on the side vs We are spread too thin to be effective at protecting the people and are a little racist on the side
And that isn’t including Yes man or Mr. House, although Yes Man is basically your “safe” option, and Mr. House is like diet Caesar iirc.
Well yes man is safe because you can say “well I’m the player I would make everything right!” But with logic, new vegas and the Mojave would fall tf apart overnight.
Mr House probably is my favorite choice since he’s a nearly immortal genius, albeit a bit too ambitious. But a man flush with old world knowledge and an army of robots definitely has what it takes to tame the wastes
Supposedly they planned to flesh out the Legion more so they wouldn't be moustache-twirling bad guys & slavers but ran out of time. Dunno how true that is or if it's Legion fanboy cope.
Look up Triangle City. He's made a ton of videos about digging around in the NV code to find snippets of lore, dialogue, and quests that were cut from the game. There's a time of legion content that wound up unfinished, so it definitely seems like they were intended to be more nuanced and interesting.
3 things I say are vital for a FNV play through is “NCR Rearmed” to make them seem less like Boy Scouts and more like an actual military, “Caesar’s new regime” to make the legion seem more rugged and make sense of the blacksmiths when they wear football pads as armor and, “Legion quests expanded” for some more balanced ( and not good vs bad) legion mission (I would also recommend: the living desert, flora overhaul, and NMCs texture pack)
Yeah a lot of people get up in arms with “dey hab da slaves dey EBIL” ignoring that slavery has been a part of human existence since the dawn of civilization and realistically- a reset of society would reintroduce slavery until civilization progressed to the point of being able to provide equality for everyone. And also for the most part they only enslave combatants and leave settlements that are neutral as subjects only asking for taxes.
Also the NCR “outlaws slavery” but still permits it quietly. Plus they have indentured servitude.
Obviously for the lore the NCR is a lot more friendly to modern sensibilities, plus they got cool ass rangers, but the fact that you can make that argument is nice
Yeah Fallout 3 is where Bethesda formally decent writing chops went through the shitter.
I'll always take the opportunity to bring up how Fallout 3 has a quest where the Good Karma option is to help someone rape and baby trap another person into marriage.
The daughter of Rivet City's only cook has a crush on the priest's acolyte but he's not interested in her as his life dream is to be the next priest (and has taken a vow of celibacy). She suggests you buy her drugs from the local dealer so she can date-rape him and baby trap him into giving up his dreams and marrying her.
Doing it how she wants grants +100 Good Karma points.
You don’t have her date rape him, and he never gets drugged. She used ant queen pheromones on herself which lets her seduce him. Then he willingly leaves the church since it is the honorable thing to do
"Oh he never gets raped or drugged! She just uses drugs to alter his awareness and lower his inhibitions so she can have sex with him when he'd otherwise say no, kinda like getting someone drunk before having sex with them while sober!"
His only goal in life is to take over as head priest and after she rapes him he's forced to leave by his own conscience knowing he broke the vow and is unfit to lead the church.
Any 'honor' to what is does is directly because the writers didn't see the massive glaring issues with the whole thing while they were writing it and so framed it as if it were this selfless thing.
No you're right, that is how it goes. She takes a drug that ends up altering his state of mind without his consent to the point where he'd have sex with her, resulting in him having to leave the faith he's dedicated his life to
Easy +100 karma dub, the objectively right thing to do
Look, I don’t disagree that the quest is weird. But it isn’t daterape. I forgot that it is illegal to say fallout 3 isn’t the worst thing in existence. My bad. Shit quest, shit game, whatever
Unbeknownst to him she used a drug to alter his state of mind to have sex with him when he otherwise wouldn't have. How is that not date rape?
And just for the record I don't think fallout 3 is the worst thing in existence. It's pretty bad in a lot of ways but I can still derive enjoyment from it. I actually really like the Tenpenny tower quests; how you can do everything "right" and end on a seemingly peaceful solution, but still end up with the deaths of innocents on your hands, showing how applying your morality to everything won't always end up with a positive outcome.
I'll always take the opportunity to bring up how Fallout 3 has a quest where the Good Karma option is to help someone rape and baby trap another person into marriage.
indeed, Oblivion had hammy dialogue... but there were not a bunch of missions I personally avoided because either outcomes pissed me off like FO3.
But am 95% sure this one was different and earlier in the game roaming the wasteland. Distinctly recall him having killed his parents because they were going to, and your choices was either let him get off scott free... or he and the town whom originally wanted him brought to justice just turns on you.
That was the epitome of what made the storywriting of FO3 so terribad compared to earlier Bethesda and 2d fallout games; the logic and morality was just jaw-droppingly confused.
Don't forget the ridiculous fucking ending choices where, after being forced to change it, they still act like it makes more sense to commit suicide in an irradiated chamber to fix things instead of sending in an immune companion.
100% the companion team and the MSQ team were completely separate and by the time it got too far to change things someone brought up “wait you can have a super mutant as a companion who’s immune to radiation…”
And then they just said “oh fuck oh fuck oh fuck… uhhh… DESTINY!”
Finally someone who gets it. New Vegas is simply seen as the best 3D era Fallout because in comparision to the rest of them it is the best. The others seem like bethesda didn't even try to write something good but something tells me they actually tried but failed miserably. Some things like Emil Pagliarulos speech about how he doesn't want to even try writing a decent story because the players are just gonna make Paperairplanes out of his stories.
No, the exact opposite. You're meant to have the self-righteous rug pulled out from under you because you realize, shit, maybe Tenpenny was right to keep out the ghouls.
The residents were afraid the ghouls would slaughter them all. And ironically that's exactly what happened despite your attempts at peace.
It's also meant to show that the wasteland sucks and there isn't a "right" choice. Tenpenny Tower is actually one of the better Fallout 3 quests in that sense.
I disagree, I think it's to show that Tenpenny and Roy are cut from the same cloth despite their differences. They are full of hatred for eachother and leads to the mass death of innocent people despite what the courier does to try and broker peace, in the end each of them are a blight on the world.
I always just thought that it's about introducing the thematic nihilism that the games are known for. The joke is that there is no right choice. They're all bad people using you because you aren't. (At least your attempt to find common ground between the two groups isn't "bad.")
Don't you have to agree to set off the nuclear bomb in the town of Megaton and kill all the people there including children before you are even allowed to enter the tower and start that mission?
I don’t think I’ve ever had such a righteous fury as when on my first playthrough I thought I did the right thing and let them in, then discovered they had killed all the human residents. I went on a blood rampage and slaughtered them all. I was seeing red I was so mad at them.
It means that ghouls aren't a minority. They are people suffering from a disease that will one day turn them feral. If you are not careful with a disease you will be harmed by it.
Everyone in that tower gets buckshot. Don’t really care if the Ghouls move in after the fact. Tenpenny and his dog Burke are first on the list though. Don’t fuck with Megaton.
No, the ghouls do murder everyone and stuff their stripped corpses in the utility/generator room that leads to the tunnels. The tunnels you can assault Tenpenny tower from if you take the other route in the quest
You can check the wiki for the quest, it states as such. Your game might be bugged if the ghouls haven't killed everyone yet
ItsImNotAnonymous@reddit
According to the ghouls, the residents still had issues with them and one thing led to another.
The real meaning is that acceptance isn't always straightforward, humans aren't always easy to change their selves and it will take a long time
Choice_Chip8576@reddit
Perhaps the ghouls should be more accepting? A dispute over their acceptance shouldn't result in every human dying if the ghouls were civilized
HopeFabulous9498@reddit
Well in this case it won't take a long time since all humans are dead. So yeah I'd love to know what Todd meant by this too.
clavatk@reddit
Dood ghouls aré human.
Thats the whole point.
Goblintheknoblinn@reddit
That's what THEY want you to think!
TW15T3DN3RV3@reddit
"Its just easier to kill everyone who doesn't like you"
-Todd probably
Carnal-Pleasures@reddit
Also, Joseph Stalin
orchid447@reddit
He just wanted to be liked :(
Steuts@reddit
He had a weird way of trying to be liked. Killing 10+ million people and all
zakuson@reddit
Sry, what? Its a joke?)
Steuts@reddit
Stalin killed many millions of people. Lenin too. Since your posts are in Russian I guess this is the first you’re hearing about this. Your country has a funny way of rewriting history
zakuson@reddit
And again you begin to compose, drawing your own conclusions, it is not clear what are based on. You said about 10+ million killed by Stalin. You also dragged Lenin into the killers)))) And now seriously, why do you sock such nonsense, and even persist in it? Let's first tell about the 10 + million killed by Stalin, and then, about the same apparently figure, but already killed by Lenin. Enlighten me please.
Steuts@reddit
Well first there’s the secret police. Dissenters and people rightly upset about communistic totalitarianism were killed to keep them from talking. Then there’s the gulag labor camps that worked political prisoners to death. And good old starvation, because communism and no food go together like bread and butter.
Lenin pulled the same shit, killing those that opposed him and threatened his power, gulags, all the lovely stuff that makes the same among us despise communism and it’s despots.
zakuson@reddit
Sorry, but it was about 10+ million killed personally by Stalin, and even Lenin, in addition. Let me help you a little, from 1923 to 1959 less than 8 million people passed through the entire penitentiary department, despite the fact that there were two wars and a revolution: murderers, thieves, rapists and other wonderful guys. For 36 years - less than 8 million people. If you're wondering if that's a lot or a little, there are 2 million people in the US every year. Every year. And now, attention to the question - where are the 10+ million killed personally by Stalin, with less than 8 million who served time at that time during the entire period of his reign?
Steuts@reddit
They starved to death, died of disease or were summarily executed and the government didn’t report it. Everything you just said is subject to the Russian government’s whim. From the mouth of someone who escaped communism I was told that people, especially those that went against The Party, just disappeared. They were likely put into secret labor camps kept off the books or just killed.
Stalin, Lenin, Mao, all those communist “leaders” were bad people. The fact that you’re defending them is mind boggling.
zakuson@reddit
And again, we move from direct answers to the stage of emotional conjectures and assumptions. The Soviet Union was at the forefront in education and medicine. Your country was the leader in the field of propaganda and advertising. Here we are together and reap the result. The worst thing about this is that you continue to persist and make up nonsense, even when I gave you a specific fact of stupidity. I'm not surprised, since education in your country is still very expensive and out of reach for ordinary people like you. It is also felt in the drastic segregation that you decided to carry out against me right away, without even asking me. This feels the huge layer of the problem of racism that has covered your country. But a lot of people in your country are brought up in this paradigm of hatred and stupidity. This is one of those problems, by the way, that Comrade Stalin, so hated by you, could solve. But of course, they will continue to lie to you about 10+ million killed by him personally, and you will be happy to bear it like a fool. Despite the fact that all data on repressions were declassified more than 30 years ago.
Steuts@reddit
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excess_mortality_in_the_Soviet_Union_under_Joseph_Stalin#:~:text=In%202011%2C%20after%20assessing%20twenty,American%20historian%20William%20D.
https://www.outono.net/elentir/2020/04/22/lenin-numbers-data-and-images-of-the-crimes-of-the-first-communist-dictator/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_communist_regimes
“Comrade” Stalin was a liar and murderer. The USSR Crumbled as America prospered. Communism serves to prop up few and kill many. It pretends to be salvation as it oppresses. I hope you can get out of the ravages of it, before you become a statistic.
zakuson@reddit
Oh my god, I understand why there is so much dirt, nonsense and propaganda in your head. Lenin is a killer))) It's not even funny. Up to 12 million people died in the civil war, and it began with the Czechoslovak corps, which went through the entire USSR with a fiery scythe. It was a terrible loss for the entire country. But when your authors refer to losses in combat operations and say that they were killed and tortured by Lenin - well, this is just the height of idiocy. Did you even read the links that you threw off to me?))) Even in your "non-polite" Wikipedia, the author writes that about 1.5 million people probably died in the camps all the time, and this screwed into the general system all the captured Germans, Romanians, Bulgarians, Hungarians from the side of the defeated Nazis, and even the defeated Japanese, Filipinos and Manchurians in addition - I’ll just remind you that the USSR also ended the war with Japan by defeating the 1,5 million Kwantung Army))) According to your sources, it turns out that fewer people died in the camps of the USSR than in two atomic bombs in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I don’t even know how to comment on this when, trying to argue, they throw data at you that your opponent is put on the shoulder blades. This is really the extravaganza of your education system. I hope you can escape from there before you become the final zombified victim. And let me remind you that in your prosperous USA every year there are as many prisoners as during 10 years of Stalin's rule. Let me remind you that all data is declassified. If suddenly, you really become interested in how much propaganda has washed you, you can turn to the real archives
Steuts@reddit
Well you get the award for focusing on the wrong thing. Then again I don’t blame you. The government likely watches what you post.
Communism kills people. It has an acclaimed 100+ million kills and counting.
By all means, though, tell me about “USA Bad” while your country invades Ukraine.
zakuson@reddit
You don’t get any reward, because you didn’t even bother to find out what country I was from and immediately behaved like an asshole. My country does not attack anyone. Should I list how many dozens of countries your country has attacked over the past 30 years? After all, it is you who defend the country that breeds terrorists and parasitizes on other countries. I'll just tell you what the communists fought for, for what you're afraid to even dream about now: 1. No to slavery 2. No oligarchs 3. All the land to the people 4. Free education for all 5. Free healthcare for everyone 6. No to racism - international 7. Fair remuneration for work 8. Space 9. Free food 10. Free water 11. Free housing 12. Equal rights for all 13. 8 hour work day, etc. You know what's the funniest thing about all of this. But they will lie to you all your life that the "damned" Stalin, together with Lenin, personally killed 2 billion people, since you have no way to find out the truth. To do this, they make you minimally educated, just so that you can at least not eat sand.
Steuts@reddit
Well you’re active in r/Pikabu, which calls itself “The Russian side of Reddit,” and commonly type in Cyrillic, so I’m guessing you’re Russian.
As for all your other points, that worked out real well didn’t it? The USSR fell, Communist China fell, Venezuela, Cuba, Laos, North Korea, all failed by communism and its offshoots.
For your reading pleasure, here’s Boris Yeltsin being amazed at an average grocery store https://blog.chron.com/thetexican/2014/04/when-boris-yeltsin-went-grocery-shopping-in-clear-lake/
zakuson@reddit
China fell? Cuba fell? Is that why there are 120 pages of sanctions against them now? Venezuela fell? Vietnam fell? And the Moon is probably made of white cheese)) - Young man, you have specific problems with perception. I'm even afraid to imagine what you did at school, if there was one. Boris Yeltsin is a sick alcoholic who beat the people and fired tanks at the parliament. The purest Western creature, whose task was to ruin and plunder the country. For this condom, in principle, everything that was not related to booze was surprising. The whole country was then captured by bandits. That's who the real Stalin and Lenin from your story. After all, you are young and you have no idea how much the Soviet communists did for a hard worker from the USA. Until now, the whole of Eastern Europe lives in houses that were built by the communists and receives electricity from a thermal power plant that was built by them. I'm not talking about everything else. What has your country done for the world?
Steuts@reddit
The telephone. The cotton gin. Electric light. Modern cinema. The steamboat. Airplanes. First on the moon. The phonograph. The assembly line. Numerous biological, astronomical, and other scientific advantages.
We beat back the Germans in WWI. We beat back the Germans in WW2. We beat back the Japanese in WWII. We kept the North Koreans out of south korea. We air listed thousands of tons of supplies to West Germany, who was impacted by the Berlin Wall which was built to keep people from escaping Soviet-controlled east Germany to allied-controlled west Germany.
We provide security for the world and protect the little guy against despots like Putin. The United States, for all her faults, remains a beacon of freedom and success that people break the law just to get a chance at.
In short, cope harder tankie.
zakuson@reddit
Planes are nonsense. Briton Kaley and Hansen were the first, and then Santos-Dumont. Electricity - Faraday and Volta were before. Cinematography - the Lumiere brothers. First on the Moon??)) - the first man in space - Yuri Gagarin. During the First World War, your country was waiting for the end of the meat grinder in Europe, and then connected when the outcome of the war was already clear. World War II? - your country until 1944 supplied the Nazis with coal, oil, reserves and other things, and when the situation became clear - rushed to seize the remnants of Europe as soon as possible. In no way do I belittle the exploits of US veterans in Normandy, but this is such a small episode of the Second World War that I don’t even know. (On the eastern front, 75% of the personnel and over 80% of the equipment of the Nazis were destroyed.) In addition, they also put the Nazis in charge of a bunch of institutions in the United States, in fact, without issuing them even to Nuremberg. Japan? I just wrote to you that the war with Japan was only over when the USSR destroyed the 1.5 million Kwantung army in a month. It's true to throw two atomic bombs on innocent civilians - yes, it's only your country that distinguished itself. These are all just bare facts. Your knowledge of history is truly worthy of the praise of your teachers. Just bravo. But nevertheless, with such knowledge, you climb to discuss the communists, despite the fact that you don’t even understand elementary history ... But I haven’t even begun to explain to you about the great French revolution, but where, there’s so little about it films were shot, how do you know about it ...
Sincerely-Abstract@reddit
Happy to see a fellow comrade, would love to hear more from you sometime, don't have enough fellow communist friends honestly.
Dude_Illigence_@reddit
Hell yeah, same here. Count me in
oldsadgary@reddit
They were first on the moon tho lol
Sincerely-Abstract@reddit
Your country literally supports 75% of the world's dictatorships, your literally insane.
Steuts@reddit
*you’re
Sincerely-Abstract@reddit
Correct, Apologies.
Dude_Illigence_@reddit
Sure, it was Communism that caused starvation, and not the staggering destruction, death and displacement that comes from Nazis invading you. Think for like 5 seconds lol
Howwabunga@reddit
I bring a real "Execution" vibe to the "Poltical landscape" that my "Fellow builders of communism" dont really like
plipyplop@reddit
...with this one weird trick. People hate him!
willard_saf@reddit
Maybe he should have stopped forcing everyone to watch cowboy movies until 2 am every night.
WW2_MAN@reddit
If he'd bring my wife back from the Gulag and stop joking that I should stop crying because he'll find me a new wife I'd probably like him more.
blackbirddy@reddit
He put on drinks.
TitusImmortalis@reddit
"Why does everyone I kill not like me???? :C"
iamrealysmartniceguy@reddit
Should have stayed in the wilderness as a hunter.
Joseph_Stalin111@reddit
It works though
emdave@reddit
What happened to the previous 110 Joe Steels, though?
Joseph_Stalin111@reddit
it worked too well
A-purple-bird@reddit
Yooo stalin!
ZZ-ROB@reddit
The building even looks a bit like stalins birthday cake
Vlafir@reddit
Idk man... gotta remove them negative people from yo life - Todd (probably)
david-deeeds@reddit
Wholesome pragmatic Todd
lallapalalable@reddit
This explains the games he makes
Valadrae@reddit
Chess club really changed Todd
TW15T3DN3RV3@reddit
High school has me siding with Todd on this one.
EtheusProm@reddit
"Eat the rich!" (c) Hodd Toward
Lukthar123@reddit
We may never know
Remote-Currency-3381@reddit
The "disagreement" was that the ghouls fucking murdered the owner of the tower
cream_87@reddit
god forbid they do anything
Remote-Currency-3381@reddit
I feel like fallout players don't understand the full extent of how dangerous ghouls are. First, the idea of them turning feral is a very real, and very likely possibility, therefore allowing them to settle in a largely disarmed community like Tenpenny Tower was always going to be a death sentence for it's residents. Second, Roy's ghouls band aren't refugees, there's raiders. Roy is willing to murder the entire towers population in order to get in, and he's been actively trying to do so since the moment he first moved into the metro. Sharing your house with someone who wants to kill you is an obviously bad idea. Lastly, and this isn't nearly as extreme as the others, but ghouls are essentially corpses. Their ugliness might not be deadly, but the rotting flesh stench and the diseases it brings with it most certainly are.
The Tenpenny Tower quest always bugged me. It treats the lone wanderer as a messiah who's come to save the day, but if you think about it for more than two seconds you'll realise that he's just some naive kid forcing people out of the homes to go die in the wasteland, all so they can be replaced with a band of untrustworthy ghouls who will literally go on to commit populicide against the humans should the player take this path.
TheBunkerKing@reddit
The quest isn't really a straight forward good guys vs. bad guys thing. Both sides suck on their own merit. The most humane thing is to kill them all yourself.
Remote-Currency-3381@reddit
Tenpenny Tower is a shades of grey quest within a black and white game. There is no good karma outcome for this quest, which makes it the bane of any good karma playthrough. It would've been nice to have an option to finish the quest in a way that doesn't involve commiting genocide, but as it stands I tend to just avoid it in my good karma playthroughs.
SyndicalistObserver@reddit
Well you can always kill roy after the ghouls moved in. I heard that prevents the ghouls from killing the human residents.
Remote-Currency-3381@reddit
The timer for when the humans are killed starts as soon as the quest is completed, and you cant stop it even if you kill all the ghouls. Killing Roy should stop that timer, but should doesn't mean much when your talking about a Bethesda game.
Sincerely-Abstract@reddit
I've had it work before by killing Roy, but might be a case of Bethesda's Bug.
ulyssesintothepast@reddit
It just works!
ThatOneGuy1294@reddit
I chalk this up to completionist mindsets. Not saying that's a bad thing, I totally get wanting to clear out your quest log. But it's an open-world game, you're literally free to ignore any quests you don't want to do. That the quest will forever remain uncompleted is simply a consequence of not adding failure states that completely lock you out of a quest, leaving it forever frozen in time regardless of how long to play the game But that doesn't even apply for this specific quest, there are ways to deliberately "fail" the quest like just going and killing both Tenpenny and Roy because they're both awful people. It's a roleplaying game after all.
Remote-Currency-3381@reddit
The quest will break if you kill all three quest givers, so you cant fail it. Also, I'm well aware that it's entirely my own completionist mindset, and I don't in anyway claim that this small issue someone brings down the game experience. Hell, if it were as simple as killing all three quest givers then I wouldn't have even mentioned it in the first place.
PM_ME_GOOD_SUBS@reddit
Finally reasonable take.
kingalbert2@reddit
We are talking about Tenpenny here, they same guy who wants to nuke a city because he doesn't like having it in his view
Remote-Currency-3381@reddit
There is no evidence that confirms that anyone else in Tenpenny Tower is aware of the nuke plan, as you cant ask anyone about it. There is, however, plenty of dialogue confirming that the others members of Roy's gang are aware of the populicide plan.
That's irrelevant anyway. An evil person killing another evil person for evil reasons doesn't make them any less evil.
johnnys6guns@reddit
You lost me when you started talking like something so massively fucking irradiated that it can live for centuries is a vector for rot and disease.
klew33@reddit
Damn it Johnny, the rot and disease would affect the humans not the ghouls....
Tenpenny was a dick though.
johnnys6guns@reddit
The ghouls are irradiated. Theyre not a vector for disease, as they cant rot. Bacteria and pestilence causes rot. Radiation kills those things.
JollyMalice@reddit
They do rot don’t they - Isn’t that why they eventually go feral? Also if they’re so irradiated wouldn’t that radiation harm other people?
Sincerely-Abstract@reddit
Honestly their is nothing that really implies ghouls normally go feral unless like weird supernatural shit or something strange is going on most of the time. You can have non feral glowing ones, I've always personally assumed it was a case of someone's brain being fried in a bad way during the war most of the time.
We have camp searchlight that also showcased that like just a massive radation bomb going off can ghoul you & like it was just a mix of ferals & normal ghouls. I honestly think it's probably luck of the draw, you have a low luck stat and you turn into a feral probs or something.
johnnys6guns@reddit
I think the radiation itself is why they go feral. And as far as the game play goes, it's only glowing ghouls that irradiated those around them. And there was also one glowing ghoul who was not feral. So its not rot. If I recall correctly, pretty much all the ghouls are actually people who were alive when the bombs dropped. So intelligent ghouls are hundreds of years old.
ButtersAndRowlet@reddit
Actually there are multiple non-feral glowing ones
Hank (Fallout 2)
Refinery supervisor (Fallout 2)
Typhon (Fallout 2)
Jason Bright (New Vegas)
Oswald the Outrageous (Fallout 4: Nuka World DLC)
there are probably several other non-feral glowing unnamed ones in fallout 2 but idk i never played it, my source is the fallout wiki
johnnys6guns@reddit
I only picked it up at 3 -> NV -> parts of 4. I had a thousand hours or more between 3 and NV back in the day. By the time 4 came out, my life had changed to where games weren't such a part of it. I'd never played FO2 either.
ButtersAndRowlet@reddit
I just googled it because I knew there were at least 2
Throwawayalt129@reddit
You are correct that Ghouls are all people who were alive when the first bombs were dropped. Ghouls still sane by the times of FO games are ancient, and often incredibly skilled. The best example of this is probably Raul from FONV. Raul was born in 2047, and the events of NV happen in 2281, putting Raul at 234 years old. He's a great mechanic in game, but he's also been a gunslinger and an honest to god cowboy. He's invented several different personalities and life stories in his life, and when he feels it's time to move on he just does. Ghouls honestly have the opportunity for some of the most fascinating writing in the entire FO universe simply because of how old they are/ can get.
RandomStallings@reddit
Let's not forget Hancock in FO4. Homie got high AF on something gnarly and woke up a ghoul, IIRC.
AlphaKenny169@reddit
If I knew the apocalypse was coming I’d try to do the same thing
klew33@reddit
Damn it, Johnny.
Ice_Swallow4u@reddit
There was a nuclear accident where the dude got impaled by a control rod and it stuck through him and embedded in the ceiling. It took a while to recover the bodies because of the radiation and whatnot and when they finally got the bodies there was no decomposition because the radiation killed everything. They were buried in lead coffins.
Remote-Currency-3381@reddit
Feral Ghouls exist because the radiation rots away at a ghoul's brain. There isn't much info on why Ghouls can even be alive, but this fact proves they are certainly rotting. The toned down designs of Fallout 4 can give off the impression that they are little more than burn victims, but they certainly aren't. Ghouls in all other games are portrayed as rotting corpses that are unnaturally alive, and it's also not uncommon for a Ghouls limbs to fall off, though they can be stitch back on at a later date with no loss of function.
What Ghouls are exactly isn't all too clear due to the lack of info that the games give about their biology, but whether they are rotting due to radiation or due to decomposition, one this is certain: they are rotting.
Unkindlake@reddit
"Rotting" from radiation is different than normal rotting. High doses of radiation can break down tissue, which is not the same as biological decomposition.
kingalbert2@reddit
Won't find anything more sterile than the inside of a nuclear core
gregory_thinmints@reddit
Yeah, ghouls are more like permanent burn victims than walking corpses.
Remote-Currency-3381@reddit
Tenpenny needs to be alive so that I can kill him for Gotta Shoot 'em in the Head. Letting Roy kill Jim is a financially unsound decision.
JustChangeMDefaults@reddit
This guy mercenaries
ThatOneGuy1294@reddit
Fallout radiation pretty obviously doesn't work the same way as IRL radiation
SpawnofMonkey@reddit
and if im being honest, i nuked that city every god damn playthrough lmao
De_Dominator69@reddit
Yeah, it always bothered me how naive players are regarding Ghouls, and even Super Mutants, dismissing any distrust or hostility towards them by characters or factions as just being blind "racism". Now sure some factions and characters clearly act in a hateful xenophobic manner which is not okay, but unlike real life there is a basis for it.
You covered it for Ghouls, but the same is true for Super Mutants. The first Super Mutants were a zealous army who wanted to commit genocide against humanity and turn everyone into themselves as the new "master race", the majority after that then became violent monsters with various levels of intelligence. Sure some Super Mutants are intelligent and peaceful, like those in Jacobstown and of course they should be left alone, but when in the majority of encounters with them they would be likely to kill you on sight you cant blame people for being fearful and hostile towards them. The same is ESPECIALLY true for the East Coast where 99.99% of Super Mutants are mindless monsters, will ones possessing intelligence and reason being a literal one in a million outlier.
Remote-Currency-3381@reddit
That's just the way people are. Everyone wants to be inclusive and accepting, but nobody wants to consider the logistics and consequences that come with being so. The fact that Fallout is just a game where the player does not need to face the consequences of their actions doesn't help the general disregard for the problems that stem from human-mutant integration.
At the end of the day, we're both looking at this as if it were the real world. Sure, ghouls can turn feral at any moment, but since that isn't a feature in gameplay the community is content to ignore it. And Sure, Fallout has diseases, but they don't affect the player, and so they are therefore disregarded as well.
Utaha_Senpai@reddit
Cool but have you thought of that ghoulussy?
Remote-Currency-3381@reddit
That glussy gave me botulism 😩
Highfivebuddha@reddit
Does it treat him like a messiah? The ghouls do kill everyone.
But also, I'm a simple man who blows away Tenpenny once I learn he wants to nuke Megaton.
CulturedHollow@reddit
You kill Tenpenny because he wants to nuke Megaton, I kill him because I want his suit, we are not the same.
Highfivebuddha@reddit
I wear road leathers with the baseball hat and never repair them.
CulturedHollow@reddit
So uncivilized...
RandomStallings@reddit
This is the way. He's such a POS
PapuaOldGuinea@reddit
The idea of ghouls turning feral isn’t an eventuality, especially with some ghouls. There are even some Glowing Ones who aren’t feral (although I’d imagine that’s a hell of its own kind). But we don’t really know what causes feralness in ghouls, officially. Maybe repeated exposure to rads?
Remote-Currency-3381@reddit
It is an eventuality that all ghouls will inevitably become feral, though the time span is not consistent, and the rate of degeneration is influenced by both radiation and the individuals tolerance towards it. Some ghouls can live in a rad free environment and end up feral after just a few weeks, while other ghouls could live in California for centuries and still retain the same cognitive function. I'll admit that saying it's an inevitability, while true, is misleading, as a ghoul could theoretically live for thousands of years without going feral, thus making their inevitable loss of cognitive function seem way too far off to be relevant.
Also, we do have a lore reason as to why ghouls go feral. The cause is that ghouls are sustained off radiation which given time will begin to rot away the ghoul's brain, causing the ghoul to lose cognitive ability and become aggressive, much like a traditional zombie's origin story.
PapuaOldGuinea@reddit
That’s true, but that makes glowing ones unique when they don’t go feral…are they meant to not go feral and just make other ghouls feral? Kind of like a carrier of a disease…
Woah, wild.
Remote-Currency-3381@reddit
Glowing Ones are special ghouls that have absorbed so much radiation that they've begun to glow, or atleast that's what I think they are. Therefore, I don't think that them almost always being feral is a result of them being a glowing one, but rather an unrelated side effect of the accelerated deterioration resulting from the radiation exposure that creates glowing ones.
As for Jason Bright and the non-feral glowing ones, I think that they might just be a very rare kind of ghoul that has a radiation tolerance that exceeds the amount that's needed to become a glowing one, or atleast that's my theory. Either that or maybe the Eldritch God's of Fallout have granted them their immunity through their divine destiny, which would explain why Jason Bright has such an ironic name.
PapuaOldGuinea@reddit
Jason Bright. That name was just tempting fate
Unkindlake@reddit
I often think that in zombies movies. People get covered in rotting brains constantly with no medical infrastructure left and no one gets sick. That said, I don't think ghouls rot like that. They are deteriorating, but I'm pretty certain they are highly radioactive so probably relatively germ free. I think they are just ugly, not a biohazard (though they probably should be a radiation hazard, but no one seems bothered by that)
jvfranco@reddit
Sweden's recent history
GalaxyBejdyk@reddit
Not every verse has non-human creatures (even of same sort f.e. vampires) that are equally dangerous or equally peacefull. Each should be judged accordingly to their own worldbuilding. Vampires, orcs, ghouls and anything like that.
Alarakion@reddit
Uhhhhhh idk why this is the top upvoted comment cuz its bullshit? The ghouls just say shit like they took out the trash and they killed everyone including individuals who were heavily pro ghoul. They literally piled up their naked bodies in a storm room with feral ghouls lmao.
endelehia@reddit
I don't know about change taking time. The vault-tec rep changed pretty fast
sebygul@reddit
there is 200 years between the first and second time you see the vault tec rep; you forgot about the whole "cryostasis" thing
endelehia@reddit
Yeah but he wasn't. He turned into a ghoul shortly after the nukes, otherwise he wouldn't be still alive after 200 years
TitusImmortalis@reddit
I mean, so ALL the humans are dead? This still seems like they had a reasonable protest against bringing in the ghouls.
AnalysisOk7430@reddit
I'd take any claim by the ghouls who massacred everyone over what happened with a massive grain of salt.
Jugaimo@reddit
Sudden change is impossible and should not be left to an uncaring external force with no dedicated stakes or investment.
BananaGooper@reddit
yes
thekeanu@reddit
Except the bast majority of actions you take in exactly the same way in the vast majority of video games including all Bethesda games have positive outcomes if you do what is "morally good"
Jugaimo@reddit
Depends on the game and the themes involved. Skyrim is usually pretty rewarding when the player takes the moral path while Fallout is usually cynical.
LuciusCypher@reddit
Indeed, in Fallout 3 if you help a lonely old lady get a violin and a music sheet book, the morally good thing would be to ask for no reward. And for doing so you get... Nothing but good karma.
But if you ask her to offer something for your efforts, you'll get a nice haul of ammo and one of the strongest guns in the vanilla game.
You can still do good deeds and ask for something in return for your hard work.
bottledry@reddit
is that morally good? or ethically good?
is not expecting or wanting compensation a moral issue?
LuciusCypher@reddit
Depends if you define good as a black or white thing with no nuance or understanding that some things can be both.
One could say the moment that you want more from a good deed beyond the act of doing it, it becomes a selfish deed. Or you could say that only doing a good deed for material gain invalidates the genuine good the deed does, because it was not done with the intent of goodness but payment. One could even go as far as to say doing a good deed with the expectation that you are now allowed to do evil things for a good reason, like murdering raiders for fun, also invalidates any good will because your motive is not to help others but to inflict pain and death.
zenyattatron@reddit
Lmao, this exact thing happened when Europe haphazardly split africa into different countries without caring about the residents. Rival villages are suddenly neighbors, and neighbors are suddenly foreign.
TheMovement77@reddit
"one thing led to another" loooooooooooooooooooool
alexboss04@reddit
You told me something wrong, I know I listen too long but then
Chinillion@reddit
since he happily lets burke nuke megaton, i honestly doubt there was even an altercation, given that the residents who were accepting of ghouls didn’t leave the tower. Dude’s just a piece of shit.
logaboga@reddit
The leader ghoul is a lying piece of shit and even goes along with blowing up megaton. He’s just an asshole
LeviathanIsI@reddit
This guy explains the psychology of acceptance pretty well in a short speech.
400000000get@reddit
The real meaning is “keep ghouls out”
jamiebond@reddit
Ok yeah sure but the message of "Hey humans are complicated that means we should probably just keep segregation going" ain't exactly the best one.
And yeah obviously that probably wasn't their "intended message" but I'm baffled they can't see how that's how it would come across.
DIGITAL_Reddit@reddit
Yes but anon can’t read
DoomsdaySignal@reddit
Roy Phillips's hands typed this comment
Ephidiel@reddit
And instead of leaving the ghouls instead killed everyone
T-Toyn@reddit
Compromise is not the solution to every problem, especially if the root issue of the problem has not been solved. The root issue in this case was that 90% of the ghoul population that moved in consisted out of mindless flesh-eating zombies, which were railed in by three people.
Goblintheknoblinn@reddit
Achsually, if you return to Tenpenny Tower after you achieve the compromisse and find the entire human population dead and talk to Roy Phillips (the racist ghoul leader guy) he pretty much confirms that the killing of the residents was his idea and that he gave the ferals the order to do their thing, whereas if you kill Roy after achieving "peace" and finishing the quest and come back later you will find out that everyone is still alive.
Thus the lesson is that if you want peace you should shoot all the bastards who say no-no to this idea.
T-Toyn@reddit
It really just sounds like you found the root issue to me
Saughtvol@reddit
Vault dwellers will play a major roll in the demographic changes in Tenpenny tower, and they may hate us for it
Hefty-Violinist-7469@reddit
Todd meant it’s easier to just kill the Ghouls hiding in the metro tunnel. All you get is a Ghoul mask that only works half the time anyway.
Man-in-the-City@reddit
Yeah I killed the shit out of the Ghouls right before blowing up Megaton. Then went straight to Paradise Falls to do some slavin’
stinkyhooch@reddit
I turn that hotel into a ghost tower, I hate intolerance. But first, the ghouls have to die because they are an abomination against God.
Shawn_1512@reddit
There are only two things I hate in this world. People intolerant of other races, and the ghouls.
bottledry@reddit
Are ghouls another race?
Does radiation change your species?
micahaphone@reddit
All race is a human invented thing. Consider how Italian people used to be considered not white in America, or how on the Rwandan genocide Hutu/Tutsi was entirely divorced from any physical appearance.
CpICuddles@reddit
"Dirty humans" 😬 I've heard something similar to that in the past.
Ascertain_GME@reddit
Ah yes, a good ol Dirty Sanchez
bottledry@reddit
dang how old are you?
Aking1998@reddit
I mean all the radiation probably does something to thier DNA
IDeclannI@reddit
Nigel powers: now you're both going to come at me one at a time and I'm going to take you down with a single punch.
Judo chop!
Judo chop!
Dr Evil: Oh he's good, he's good.
NP: You've not even got a name tag! Why don't you just fall down?
PrivilegeCheckmate@reddit
Do you know who I am? Do you have any idea how many anonymous henchmen I've killed over the years? Just lie down, son.
Wiggie49@reddit
Easy peasy lemon squeezy
gaedikus@reddit
difficult difficult lemon difficult
reldnahcAL@reddit
r/YourJokeButWorse
Ery_Noice_23_yen@reddit
Also Scorched lmao
johnny__danger@reddit
There’s only two things in this world I can’t stand. 1. Intolerance of other people and cultures. 2. The Dutch.
Xarix-_@reddit
You don't like dams ?
gaynazifurry4bernie@reddit
I don't like dikes. I really despise groynes the most.
BigRedTonik@reddit
Yo what the fuck
Puzzleheaded-Ad2905@reddit
I think this is a polish joke
RokettoOsuka@reddit
How do you polish a joke?
Buttfranklin2000@reddit
Joke-polish
iamrealysmartniceguy@reddit
wee-wooo wee-oo You here a car door getting slammed shut and then someone walking up to you Lishenshes and ID please. We are the joke-polish.
-Moon-Presence-@reddit
It’s a joke from Austin Powers calm down
ImperialFist5th@reddit
They were once created in gods image, yet they dared allow themselves to be remade in their bastardized state, someone must show them the folly of their form.
TheMovement77@reddit
based and bothsidespilled
Outrageous-Whole5992@reddit
This man Fallouts. It’s the only air right solution imo.
Skyesc@reddit
Wiping out all those you deem intolerant because they are intolerable to you is the definition of intolerant.
stinkyhooch@reddit
You definitely wouldn’t make the cut
kurotech@reddit
Also gotta pop the bomb when you do this it's the only true way
Grape_V1ct1m@reddit
Based and Enclave pilled
cman_yall@reddit
?? It always works for me.
slobcat1337@reddit
How does it work only half the time? I always use the ghoul mask
Hefty-Violinist-7469@reddit
The feral’s always recognize me even when I’d wear the mask. So I always just play without.
slobcat1337@reddit
I’ve never had one recognise me wearing it! How odd
awnshelliott@reddit
Funny the mask worked for me and I think a glitched allowed me to wear it under a power armor helmet or a hat I can’t remember
kaiser_cabbage@reddit
Nah the Megaton room is much better imo, and Megaton has Moira Brown and Gob
Ain't givin up Megaton unless I am doin a bad karma run
deadfeet3@reddit
I just like seeing megaton boom
NipixelCommunism@reddit
I do really like how you can detonate nukes (even if they’re mini ones) in most (all? not sure) the fallout games
kaiser_cabbage@reddit
Cool lmao
amackul8@reddit
Based
Grabbsy2@reddit
MUCH better.
Its more centrally located as well. I realize thats not as important, wih fast travel, but just headcannon means I'd rather have it in Megaton.
And then theres merchants. Every 20 or so hours of playing I'd load up with all my "sell-ables" with a roving trader outfit on, head to all the different vendors in the wasteland. Blowing up megaton removes a major one!
Though, once you've discovered Rivet City and Underworld, I suppose you can't physically carry enough items to sell to them AND Megaton/Tenpenny.
kaiser_cabbage@reddit
Great that you mentioned sellables
In my experience, one of the most dopamine inducing experience is to sell all the shit I collected and make like 200-300 caps each time. People kinda play down barter, IMO it defines good karma run, just like how stealing defines vice versa
rual_duke@reddit
Moria brown survives if you have a mission active with her , she becomes a ghoul
kaiser_cabbage@reddit
Ikr, but it kinda rubs me in the wrong way when I turn her into a fucking ghoul and return back like a kid who peed in his pants
Spear_Ov_Longinus@reddit
Wow. I have nuked Megaton mid-quest with Moira and I could have swore the quest line is removed. I never found her after nuking. I've done multiple playthroughs with hundreds of hours. Not every day I learn something new about that game.
rual_duke@reddit
https://youtu.be/05akmWwvzBQ
rual_duke@reddit
Go back to megaton right after you nuke it , she'll great you and tell you she's heading to that ghoul city in the old museum or whatever its based in
DisneysGaston@reddit
You're thinking of the Smithsonian. DC
rual_duke@reddit
Its called underworld and its in the museum of history
JesseVykar@reddit
I thought Tenpenny only gives you the room for the nuclear entertainment? Not the sewer genocide
OssimPossim@reddit
Yup, you effectively choose between having Megaton as a home, and Tenpenny Tower. And the only way to join the 'elite' is by destroying innocent lives.
GandalfTheGimp@reddit
They had it coming
tsandyman@reddit
Same theory Uncle Arthur tested out one grey December morn.
ScarecrowJohnny@reddit
"All you get is a ghoul mask"
It's some of the best damn loot in the game. All of Fallout 3 is underlined by a tunnel system that is filled with ghouls. Exploring down there is much easier with the mask in the early game when you're not yet OP.
Hefty-Violinist-7469@reddit
I’ve never done a run with it
Grabbsy2@reddit
I've not used it because I prefer to exerminate all (feral) ghouls.
Loot and XP, baby. Its not like I'm scared of them!
Also, its not like I'm going to carry it around with me and re-load the game when I get attacked by ghouls, just to put the mask on... and I'm certainly not going to choose to wear the mask "full-time" as you can't wear glasses with it on.
ScarecrowJohnny@reddit
Oh I still kill them for XP. But since they won't immediately turn hostile it gets easier to get the drop on them. Also you don't get the jump scared when you miss one and it comes running up behind you.
nosekexp@reddit
This is the only right answer.
Tack22@reddit
Ah, the low-memory gimmicks of yesteryear.
XboxLiveGiant@reddit
Yeah that mask is clutch
PmMeYourNiceBehind@reddit
Well I set off the megaton nuke from the hotel, then killed all of the Ghouls, got the room, then wiped out the entire tower
Futureleak@reddit
Enclave pilled
SyndicalistObserver@reddit
That ghoul mask saved me a lot of bullets and frustrations when I played broken steel and every feral ghouls became revenants.
ninjahipo@reddit
"Kill 'em all n' let God sort 'em out"
Best follower enjoyer
Caroleanlover@reddit
thought Tenpenny only gave you the room after you nuke Megaton
Hefty-Violinist-7469@reddit
You sound alittle Ghoulish
dalpozak@reddit
Kinda weird how ghouls in fallout are depicted as if they're a completely Different race and not just messed up humans
GreenNukE@reddit
Most ghouls go feral, while only a minority stay sane. They look mostly identical except that sane ghouls dress much like normal humans, while feral ghouls are usually in rags.
In a world that is doing its best to kill you, paranoia easily hardens into prejudice.
Vocalic985@reddit
That's the thing about making ghouls an allegory for racial tensions. When the "other race" has the potential to transform (a transformation they don't control btw) into a monster that can't be reasoned with the racial allegory falls apart. Mexicans, black folks, or any other ethnic group won't turn into a murderous monster if exposed to a little too much radiation.
CaptainBlocker@reddit
basically the same in attack on titan with eldians transforming into titans
Gloomy-Judgment8734@reddit
Clearly you've mever seen a mexican turn into a werewolf before.
WintersbaneGDX@reddit
CrudeOyil@reddit
They sure as hell aren’t human bro
PrivilegeCheckmate@reddit
People be out here literally calling them Chuds.
LarryTheVassal@reddit
What are you lookin at, smoothskin?
AssassinOfFate@reddit
They’re just humans with radioactive leprosy. There’s no reason to see them as a separate race or species.
the_jim-lord@reddit
Exept for the fact that they can become feral and start going on a murder spree if they get a tad more rads that they should
MishterLux@reddit
Yeah, but what about the ghouls?
AssassinOfFate@reddit
Would you consider a person who goes crazy due to some mental illness or other reasons not to be human anymore? Feral ghouls are still human, they’re just not civilized anymore.
MishterLux@reddit
You were replying to a post referring to 4chan users, not ghouls.
Misszov@reddit
Honestly if that person was already a radioactive wannabe zombie and then started attacking everyone and everything with their claws (especially if that's something one can't 'fix'), then yeah, I guess they've lost their humanity somewhere along the way
AssassinOfFate@reddit
So a person with rabies wouldn’t be human anymore?
Misszov@reddit
Ghouls and humans with rabies are (and act) totally different, so, no.
AssassinOfFate@reddit
That’s all well and good. But it doesn’t make them not humans anymore. I don’t know why people are making it about what should be done with them, when at no point did I ever say what should be done with them. Just that they’re still humans, and it isn’t accurate to consider them as a separate race or species.
bottledry@reddit
not according to the geniuses in this thread.
This the kinda critical thinking that common core math is teaching kids these days?
Gen_McMuster@reddit
They try to kill just about anything on site
AssassinOfFate@reddit
Doesn’t change the fact that they’re human. The topic isn’t whether or not feral ghouls are okay to kill or not. It’s whether they’re still human. Which they are, because suffering from some sort of terrible affliction doesn’t make them not humans anymore.
whatreyoulookinat@reddit
The real test would be to see if there is a possibility of viable offspring instead of a sterile ghumoul.
Brick_Brook@reddit
Well we've never seen a ghoul who is not sterile. Apparently necrosis is not good for sexy time, unless you're at the atomic wrangler
IronScrub@reddit
Yeah, but where will we find a woman willing to take a ride on a ghoul's jerky stick?
sloky031@reddit
hancock hot asf tho
hoot69@reddit
Just get one of our FNV lads to put one through Beatrix
HaveYouEverUhhh@reddit
This sounds like an excellent plot point for a future fallout game
snarfalous@reddit
Is autist the new regard? You’re probably not going to be allowed to say that for much longer.
Marik-X-Bakura@reddit
As an autistic person, good. I hate seeing it.
Doom_Bee@reddit
People on imageboards have been referring to themselves as autists for decades
snarfalous@reddit
Just seems since R-alternative started being cracked down on it’s gotten more and more popular.
Colosphe@reddit
It's annoying that people are switching to "regard" when we already had these words before! Moron, dumb, imbecile, feebleminded, idiot... all such wonderful words that meant the same thing, but no one wants to use them.
snarfalous@reddit
True
Smargendorf@reddit
"autist" was always intended as a slur. I would say its thrown around on 4Chan like black communities throw around the n-word, but 4Chan is pretty fond of that one too.
snarfalous@reddit
I wonder why reddit cracked down on one and not the other. Weird.
WintersbaneGDX@reddit
Oopsie, my phone must have autocorrected "artist". Silly phone, don't be so regarded.
rezmeihaveghorn@reddit
Same with super mutants, even though in the first 2 games that’s exactly how they were treated, like messed up humans who be anything from just a worker in a town to a raider trying to mug you.
Then Bethesda needed 2 new enemy types for their new game.
Vlafir@reddit
Supermutants were already enemies in 1 and 2, tf you saying? Say what you will, but Bethesda saved fallout, it was supposed to be sold to EA at the time
rezmeihaveghorn@reddit
They were enemies yeah but they also had more potential for there to be more like Marcus, not saying they weren’t enemies just that it was more likely that you could find a “normal” mutant.
And while EA would have 100% butchered fallout, I don’t think I want to agree that bethesda saved it either, as I think the original lore from the first 2 games is better than what bethesda has written.
Vlafir@reddit
I Sort of agree with you, Don't get me wrong, I love the OG fallout but there's no guarantee it would have become as popular as it did in bethesda's hands had it remained with Brian Fargo, I'd say they handled the balance between the fallout world building and some mainstream elements to make it a more appealing game to more casual gamers
rezmeihaveghorn@reddit
You’re probably right, although I do find it a bit funny that despite interplay selling the fallout IP to bethesda, they still were able to come back in the form of obsidian and make a fallout game so good that bethesda still hasn’t been able to top it to this day.
Vlafir@reddit
True, FNV is my favourite, then again, they built it on the Fallout 3 assets, that's why it looks so dated for 2010 game and how they were able to complete it that quick, Obsidian sadly hasn't exactly had that level of writing after that, most of their past works have been mid, even inXile games, wasteland 2 was pretty good but nowhere near the level of OG fallout and Wasteland 3 was mid and the ending sucked, even for DLCs,
Caroleanlover@reddit
except super mutants are flat out different thing, hence the mutant part, ghouls are just radiated humans, mutants are humans who have been turned into something unhuman, they’re practically animals
rezmeihaveghorn@reddit
They’re humans who got turned into mutants via the FEV virus, when the virus infects humans who aren’t irradiated like the ones who live in vaults, they’re mind remains more intact leaving them more human in mind than animalistic.
Irradiated humans become more animalistic when exposed to FEV, like you said, this is why in the first game the master wants the location of vault 13, so he can make an army of smart mutants.
The only flaw in his plan is that super mutants can’t reproduce and there aren’t many humans that haven’t been affected by radiation, hence why there are so few smart mutants.
Ahrunean@reddit
So what you're saying is that his plan should have been to create a rad-free vault dweller breeding program, then turn a percentage of the humans produced into super mutants?
rezmeihaveghorn@reddit
Exactly, except he kills himself when you point out his flaw.
GUNZTHER@reddit
But there was a whole little town of super mutants and they were pretty chill
Capnmarvel76@reddit
Yeah, with only a couple of exceptions, all the Super Mutants were made in a lab, and specifically designed to be super soldiers. Ghouls really are just people who’ve absorbed enough radiation to cause permanent physical (and frequently mental) damage, somehow allowing them to live for hundreds of years.
MomDontReadThisShit@reddit
No the virus that made them super mutants was made in a lab.
Cinemasaur@reddit
It's almost like humans created a needless reason to divide themselves from other humans using visual means.
TheFastest_246@reddit
I don't think it's that weird, it makes sense. We consider zombies to be monsters, and feral ghouls are pretty much zombies. Some people in fallout hate ghouls because they believe they don't know when they will just go full on zombie mode and attack them. Imagine if zombies ate your family and then one day a zombie comes up to you and tries to talk to you. You can see where the prejudice comes from and why people don't consider ghouls to be human.
FrenchFries_exe@reddit
⬆️ a smooth skin typed this post
McDiezel10@reddit
Because in fallout 1 they had their own society and culture separate from the descendants of survivors and vault dwellers. Many of them have been alive for a hundred or more years. You kinda cease to relate to humans when you have near immortality
dalpozak@reddit
They tend to not live very long when a certain thirsty person enters the town
fatalityfun@reddit
keep hacking and walking and smacking
VIVI69VIVI@reddit
In Chicago we have the same problem.
AccessTheMainframe@reddit
Same with the Undead in Warcraft
The---Senate@reddit
I’ve always thought of ghouls as more like biblical lepers
Burn__Things@reddit
I went in blind the first time I did this quest.
I was so sure I was doing the right thing helping the ghouls. Then I came back and they had killed everyone.
I was blown away. I ended up killing all the ghouls.
This mission has stayed with me more than any other mission from any other game.
I believe it's because my intentions were so righteous, and it absolutely turned that right on its head.
A gut punch to your hubris of being the savior of the wastes if you will, and realizing just how naive you can be while being convinced you're doing what's right is a lesson that isn't visited often in games.
AdhesivenessDry2236@reddit
I hate how so many games give you simple good or bad choices all the time, sometimes trying to do the right thing is a shitty idea especially if it's for a guy who clearly has motivation to hate and kill the people in there
bullseyed723@reddit
Most of the time trying to do the "right thing" is a shitty idea, or else it would have been done already. Things exist the way they are for a reason. People don't just roll dice to make their life choices.
sebsDV@reddit
You probably have already, but if you haven't, you should play Spec Ops: The Line, you might like it as well
Captain_Milkshakes@reddit
The thing that makes this even better is when you convince Tenpenny to let the ghouls in, every ghoul hating resident leaves. The only humans left are the ones who are willing to make it work, or weren't even racist in the first place.
You get rid of the actual racist shitbags and the innocents pay the price.
Hell, Tenpenny doesn't really care so long as the ghouls will pay. He's not so much racist as he is classist/just a greedy man. I also vaguely recall that Tenpenny isn't even the origin of the nuke plan, that was all Burke, and he didn't tell Tenpenny that people lived there. Don't quote me on that though. I've only played Fallout 3 once, and I did not blow up Megaton.
Sincerely-Abstract@reddit
Tenpenny still literally murders people from his balcony, shooting them for sport. He's still a REALLY really bad person.
Captain_Milkshakes@reddit
And? The point is that Roy is equally awful, and you shouldn't stick your nose in everything, Wanderer.
Beeg_Shrek@reddit
I always took it as an allegory for accepting fascists or other intolerant ideologies into democratic discussion. Like the whole “shelter wolves and sheep, you will have only wolves” thing
NotAnMRA06@reddit
Bro, Tenpenny IS the fascist ☠️
Beeg_Shrek@reddit
Well excuse me for being stupid
RaymondWatts@reddit
"Go fuck yourself you don't get meaningful choices" is what he meant. Like why can't you just Kill Roy Phillips? He's basically the only ghoul of the group that is arguably evil. The others are just along for the ride and wouldn't have a problem livign side by side with the Tenpenny Tower residents. Not to mention the Tenpenny tower wannabe rich people don't even have any reason to be rich. What do they do except sit around all day larping as rich folk? Does any of them have a business? A Weapons factory from which they sell guns? A Limonade stand at least? Nope. They're just rich because Bethesda said so. Just like you can't have a different outcome than one group dies with no peaceful option whatsoever because Bethesda said so.
God I hate Bethesda Fallout.
GangstaPepsi@reddit
What the fuck are you trying to say you are insane get help
Sincerely-Abstract@reddit
He's mad that the world of fallout 3 makes no sense basically.
McDiezel10@reddit
I think you were supposed to feel righteous about them murdering them because they were “da ebil wacists”
False_Elevator_8169@reddit
Yeah Fallout 3 is where Bethesda writing chops went through the shitter. I remember there was a quest where a boy literally murdered his parents, and tries to murder you when you uncover it. But if you shoot back in self defence, the entire town whom sent you to capture him and make him account for his crimes shoots at you too.
If it was any other developer but completely alien to how humans interact Bethesda, I would have thought it was an oversight.
Fallout 3 was otherwise a very solid game, just it is clear a big reason why New Vegas is remember more fondly is the vastly more competent writing team.
McDiezel10@reddit
NV was still a bit ham-fisted with the good guy/bad guy plot but at least you can make a case for Caesars legion being more effective at “civilizing” the wastes than the NCR.
FO3 was just “we wanna genocide” “why?” “Because they’re ugly!”
Also they just hand waved away the fact that there were tons of super mutants in DC when the master in FO1 had to spend decades just to amass a small army
IronScrub@reddit
I always understood new vegas' choice as one between house and the ncr. A relatively benign dictator that doesn't meddle with the populous beyond forcing everyone into progress vs democracy built in the image of one that formerly failed. Sure, the legion stands opposite the ncr, and there is some legitimacy to rebuilding society by starting over at the first truly great society, but it was never meant to be taken serious in the way the other two groups are.
Sincerely-Abstract@reddit
I mean, your forgetting the Yes man Route, which I feel the game does a lot to genuinely agree with. As well as supports that pathway on a good karma character.
McDiezel10@reddit
Yeah someone said it was cut content where they developed the legion and I believe it. It could of been fleshed out a lot more like having characters that maybe objected to slavery but saw it as a necessary evil when pacifying violent tribes or something.
Still even if they are the “bad guys” if your familiar with the lore and the world of fallout, you can at least find the logic in their actions- they decided a harsh world needs a harsh rule.
CTizzle-@reddit
Yeah the “major” sides in each game are basically
FO3: we want to kill literally anyone that has been irradiated because they’re yucky and gross vs we want to give everyone clean water for free : )
NV: We will cleanse the wasteland of all raiders (and torture/crucify those in our way) and be a little racist on the side vs We are spread too thin to be effective at protecting the people and are a little racist on the side
And that isn’t including Yes man or Mr. House, although Yes Man is basically your “safe” option, and Mr. House is like diet Caesar iirc.
McDiezel10@reddit
Well yes man is safe because you can say “well I’m the player I would make everything right!” But with logic, new vegas and the Mojave would fall tf apart overnight.
Mr House probably is my favorite choice since he’s a nearly immortal genius, albeit a bit too ambitious. But a man flush with old world knowledge and an army of robots definitely has what it takes to tame the wastes
thebiggestleaf@reddit
Supposedly they planned to flesh out the Legion more so they wouldn't be moustache-twirling bad guys & slavers but ran out of time. Dunno how true that is or if it's Legion fanboy cope.
Faps_With_Fury@reddit
I always thought Caesar was an asshole because of the brain tumor.
DualSoul1423@reddit
Look up Triangle City. He's made a ton of videos about digging around in the NV code to find snippets of lore, dialogue, and quests that were cut from the game. There's a time of legion content that wound up unfinished, so it definitely seems like they were intended to be more nuanced and interesting.
Joebama8946@reddit
3 things I say are vital for a FNV play through is “NCR Rearmed” to make them seem less like Boy Scouts and more like an actual military, “Caesar’s new regime” to make the legion seem more rugged and make sense of the blacksmiths when they wear football pads as armor and, “Legion quests expanded” for some more balanced ( and not good vs bad) legion mission (I would also recommend: the living desert, flora overhaul, and NMCs texture pack)
bitchtittees@reddit
Isn't part of them seeming like boy scouts because most of them basically are?
Doctor_What_@reddit
Saving this comment for my upcoming annual NV playthrough.
Thanks for the suggestions.
McDiezel10@reddit
Yeah a lot of people get up in arms with “dey hab da slaves dey EBIL” ignoring that slavery has been a part of human existence since the dawn of civilization and realistically- a reset of society would reintroduce slavery until civilization progressed to the point of being able to provide equality for everyone. And also for the most part they only enslave combatants and leave settlements that are neutral as subjects only asking for taxes.
Also the NCR “outlaws slavery” but still permits it quietly. Plus they have indentured servitude.
Obviously for the lore the NCR is a lot more friendly to modern sensibilities, plus they got cool ass rangers, but the fact that you can make that argument is nice
Quitthesht@reddit
I'll always take the opportunity to bring up how Fallout 3 has a quest where the Good Karma option is to help someone rape and baby trap another person into marriage.
The daughter of Rivet City's only cook has a crush on the priest's acolyte but he's not interested in her as his life dream is to be the next priest (and has taken a vow of celibacy). She suggests you buy her drugs from the local dealer so she can date-rape him and baby trap him into giving up his dreams and marrying her.
Doing it how she wants grants +100 Good Karma points.
Colosphe@reddit
makes more people in the post-apocalypse, sounds like a net benefit.
NerdWithARifle@reddit
You don’t have her date rape him, and he never gets drugged. She used ant queen pheromones on herself which lets her seduce him. Then he willingly leaves the church since it is the honorable thing to do
Quitthesht@reddit
"Oh he never gets raped or drugged! She just uses drugs to alter his awareness and lower his inhibitions so she can have sex with him when he'd otherwise say no, kinda like getting someone drunk before having sex with them while sober!"
His only goal in life is to take over as head priest and after she rapes him he's forced to leave by his own conscience knowing he broke the vow and is unfit to lead the church.
Any 'honor' to what is does is directly because the writers didn't see the massive glaring issues with the whole thing while they were writing it and so framed it as if it were this selfless thing.
TWK128@reddit
Sounds like some writer trying to justify their own actions.
Elleden@reddit
Blizzard at it again.
Wait wrong company
TWK128@reddit
The writer's dream company. They get it there.
Ninja2016@reddit
Regarded
NerdWithARifle@reddit
??? That’s literally how the quest goes
PenguinsMustDie@reddit
No you're right, that is how it goes. She takes a drug that ends up altering his state of mind without his consent to the point where he'd have sex with her, resulting in him having to leave the faith he's dedicated his life to
Easy +100 karma dub, the objectively right thing to do
NerdWithARifle@reddit
Look, I don’t disagree that the quest is weird. But it isn’t daterape. I forgot that it is illegal to say fallout 3 isn’t the worst thing in existence. My bad. Shit quest, shit game, whatever
Elleden@reddit
What the fuck is it if not date rape. Just because the substance ingame isn't literally called ROOFIES doesn't mean it's not the same.
PenguinsMustDie@reddit
Unbeknownst to him she used a drug to alter his state of mind to have sex with him when he otherwise wouldn't have. How is that not date rape?
And just for the record I don't think fallout 3 is the worst thing in existence. It's pretty bad in a lot of ways but I can still derive enjoyment from it. I actually really like the Tenpenny tower quests; how you can do everything "right" and end on a seemingly peaceful solution, but still end up with the deaths of innocents on your hands, showing how applying your morality to everything won't always end up with a positive outcome.
False_Elevator_8169@reddit
indeed, Oblivion had hammy dialogue... but there were not a bunch of missions I personally avoided because either outcomes pissed me off like FO3.
sokratesz@reddit
That the with the wannabe vampire cult? Where the peaceful resolution is giving them a shit ton of bloodpacks?
False_Elevator_8169@reddit
I remember the vampire ones too.
But am 95% sure this one was different and earlier in the game roaming the wasteland. Distinctly recall him having killed his parents because they were going to, and your choices was either let him get off scott free... or he and the town whom originally wanted him brought to justice just turns on you.
That was the epitome of what made the storywriting of FO3 so terribad compared to earlier Bethesda and 2d fallout games; the logic and morality was just jaw-droppingly confused.
TWK128@reddit
Don't forget the ridiculous fucking ending choices where, after being forced to change it, they still act like it makes more sense to commit suicide in an irradiated chamber to fix things instead of sending in an immune companion.
That's utterly, indefensibly stupid.
McDiezel10@reddit
100% the companion team and the MSQ team were completely separate and by the time it got too far to change things someone brought up “wait you can have a super mutant as a companion who’s immune to radiation…”
And then they just said “oh fuck oh fuck oh fuck… uhhh… DESTINY!”
PenguinsMustDie@reddit
Bolstered by the fact that they changed it in the dlc to account for that lol
TWK128@reddit
That tells you that even internally, some knew exactly how fucking stupid it was and it finally got through to someone with authority.
That writer still thinks it's flawlessly brilliant somehow.
Taskforcem85@reddit
but muh tragic ending.
RaymondWatts@reddit
Finally someone who gets it. New Vegas is simply seen as the best 3D era Fallout because in comparision to the rest of them it is the best. The others seem like bethesda didn't even try to write something good but something tells me they actually tried but failed miserably. Some things like Emil Pagliarulos speech about how he doesn't want to even try writing a decent story because the players are just gonna make Paperairplanes out of his stories.
adsf76@reddit
No, the exact opposite. You're meant to have the self-righteous rug pulled out from under you because you realize, shit, maybe Tenpenny was right to keep out the ghouls.
The residents were afraid the ghouls would slaughter them all. And ironically that's exactly what happened despite your attempts at peace.
It's also meant to show that the wasteland sucks and there isn't a "right" choice. Tenpenny Tower is actually one of the better Fallout 3 quests in that sense.
bluntlyguncle@reddit
Gtfo
Chinillion@reddit
you actually don’t lose karma if you decide to kill roy and all the other ghouls after learning what they did to the residents
SnooPredictions3028@reddit
I disagree, I think it's to show that Tenpenny and Roy are cut from the same cloth despite their differences. They are full of hatred for eachother and leads to the mass death of innocent people despite what the courier does to try and broker peace, in the end each of them are a blight on the world.
Droll12@reddit
So the moral of the story is that discriminate genocide is bad but indiscriminate genocide is good!
Paise be to Todd! /s
Taskforcem85@reddit
The moral of the story is you should kill both leaders and have them hunt you down instead. Anarchist Todd wins again.
1SmrtFelowHeFeltSmrt@reddit
Super jet is a heluva drug
xXminecraft_hoeXx@reddit
they did it because of socioeconomic factor obviously
tymek123@reddit
You left your fridge open, somebody just took a sandwich
Big_M_Memes@reddit
13% 50%
ChickeNugget13@reddit
One baby ghoul washes up on the shore and all the humans decide it’s okay to let all the adult ghouls in smh
OrbitVU@reddit
Todd is unfathomably based for this
OwesYouMoney@reddit
Gosh I wish you could choose to be a ghoul or super mutant in fallout. Like the Skyrim race choice.
Noblerook@reddit
I always just thought that it's about introducing the thematic nihilism that the games are known for. The joke is that there is no right choice. They're all bad people using you because you aren't. (At least your attempt to find common ground between the two groups isn't "bad.")
Fuhrious520@reddit
Hotel got Diversity™️
UNBENDING_FLEA@reddit
the fallout hotel went WOKE
zzSHADYMAGICzz@reddit
I killed the ghouls in their sleep then the tenpenny residents
RAPENAZI@reddit
Don't you have to agree to set off the nuclear bomb in the town of Megaton and kill all the people there including children before you are even allowed to enter the tower and start that mission?
Captain_Morgan-@reddit
Is not what happen in Sweden and France with disturb and violence ?
elreduro@reddit
hotel del luna
Remote-Currency-3381@reddit
Todd's message is that we should fuckinb murder the gypsies
Tutwater@reddit
What did Todd mean by making the race of mystic itenerant caravan-traders in The Elder Scrolls all drug addicts and tricksters
Cum__c@reddit
...Are gypsies furries?
evilgorillamask@reddit
13% of the population is responsible for 60% of the violent crime
habb@reddit
he's just asking questions people
zealot_unholy@reddit
Well neither good narrators nor reality are forced to follow yalls 3rd grade narratives of good is good and bad is bad.
So yeah game is alright, op just murican
RandomUserName076@reddit
I killed the tower residents and the ghouls. because I'm a racist and a communist, eat the rich and smoothskin skin power.
IronSurfDragon@reddit
Immigration and it's consequences
Jungiya99@reddit
I think we all know the real meaning lol.
Dbl_Vision@reddit
The residents of Tenpenny Tower did not want ghouls in the building at all, coexisting was never an option.
AugustEpilogue@reddit
This is true, OPs logic is nonsense
AugustEpilogue@reddit
Not exactly true. No one in the tower wants to accept the ghouls, they all hate them. The message is fuck the racist elitists.
AgentSkidMarks@reddit
Can’t you get them to coexist by killing the leaders of both factions, or something like that? It’s been awhile since I played this quest.
Flip3k@reddit
The Ghoulish question
VoidMystr0@reddit
Radiation
floznstn@reddit
Last playthrough, I nuked Megaton, sided with Tenpenny, wasted every ghoul I could meet.
This time, I beat Tenpenny's goon to death in Megaton and intend to vacate the tower of smoothskins with extreme kinetic diplomacy.
danielepro@reddit
and then here i am, me, who shot Cerberus targeting system to make him murder everyone
Cloakbot@reddit
You can take the ghoul out of the wasteland but you can’t take the wasteland out of the ghoul
Angry_cinnamon_rolls@reddit
Suffer not the mutant.
THEPIGWHODIDIT@reddit
Survival of the fittest smooth skin
BroleaderMEEB@reddit
I heard that with the hoarse voice
KebabLife2@reddit
is you smooth brain
Ninja2016@reddit
This user is highly regarded
SuicidalTurnip@reddit
Todd meant that he doesn't understand Fallout at all and that 3 is a complete joke.
lenn782@reddit
What an idiot doest even clarify which side is good and which side is bad next thing you know people are going to apply this logic to real life.
GodOGDrgnSlyr69@reddit
an apocalypse story as old as time, the real monsters are the people
Wiitard@reddit
I don’t think I’ve ever had such a righteous fury as when on my first playthrough I thought I did the right thing and let them in, then discovered they had killed all the human residents. I went on a blood rampage and slaughtered them all. I was seeing red I was so mad at them.
GizmodoDragon92@reddit
I actually never let ghouls into tenpenny
an_achronist@reddit
Todd Howard reading Camp of The Saints be like
tamerantong@reddit
Damn Skrulls
GalacticLunarLion@reddit
Anon finds Hotel California
SiendiTV@reddit
todd creates the tower of terror
MyMomNeverNamedMe@reddit
Honestly? I'm not sure but on an unrelated note I do support mass immigration.
IndicationWeary@reddit
Unironically better writing than anything in New Vegas
BigRed888@reddit
The truth…
ThatHistoryGuy1@reddit
It means that ghouls aren't a minority. They are people suffering from a disease that will one day turn them feral. If you are not careful with a disease you will be harmed by it.
TheMovement77@reddit
Kill all ghouls. Nobody likes them anyway, and they ruin the air and scenery just by existing. Disgusting one foot in the gravers.
JenovaProjekt@reddit
🤔
thebiggestleaf@reddit
I was in this thread yesterday. It took about 3 posts before it got completely derailed by /pol/ shit.
DefinitelyNotRobotic@reddit
Dude the original post is /pol/ bait
Chris_2767@reddit
I'm shocked
kaiser_cabbage@reddit
And I thought Legion/NCR and Enclave are the only controversial baits from Fallout
theultimatememelord8@reddit
I guess that must be the Hotel California
picadam@reddit
What he tried to say was "blacks are dishonest and jews are evil." , obviously.
Snort-Vaulter@reddit
What Todd meant is that Fallout 3 is a stain on the fallout games, and you should be playing new vegas instead.
Drakebrand@reddit
Any time I ever nuked Megaton I would always regret it because Moira is too good a grandma for that world.
MOONDAYHYPE@reddit
The barbarians are at the gate
_brzrkr_@reddit
They could just accepted them existing in their natural habitat.
r00t1@reddit
The ghouls are a murderous culture
manicmonkey45@reddit
Todd meant that we should be more racist.
DaBears2112@reddit
That's why you reverse pick pocket that ghoul like the tech demo did and blow him up
Beep4Boop@reddit
And yet when you kill theses ghouls you get bad karma. Don't care the suite is sweet.
naked_short@reddit
Is this the hotel that nukes megaton? I became mayor of this place. God this game was so good.
I remember randomly finding the neighborhood simulation thing too. So weird.
Les_Vers@reddit
Everyone in that tower gets buckshot. Don’t really care if the Ghouls move in after the fact. Tenpenny and his dog Burke are first on the list though. Don’t fuck with Megaton.
bronto711@reddit
dont care. want ghoul mask.
sitharval@reddit
You shouldn't open the door with the barbarians at the gates.
messypaper@reddit
So glad I killed the ghouls
Emergencykebab@reddit
See Europe
9lazy9tumbleweed@reddit
thats not true, there is an ending where they coexist.
SpaghettificatedCat@reddit
No, man. I think you just never went back there to check on them.
SnooPredictions3028@reddit
Dude you need to go back and visit them again....
Rumplestiltsskins@reddit
If you dont go back it's a happy ending
9lazy9tumbleweed@reddit
maybe i misremember something but i thought there was a way after the quest concludes to stop that from happening.
chetizii@reddit
This IS the coexisting ending
Siegfriedchicken122@reddit
No shit how?
Le_Serviette@reddit
Fake. Only that old fuck Tempeny is murdured. Human and ghouls still lives together in the tower.
CourierLocus@reddit
No, the ghouls do murder everyone and stuff their stripped corpses in the utility/generator room that leads to the tunnels. The tunnels you can assault Tenpenny tower from if you take the other route in the quest
You can check the wiki for the quest, it states as such. Your game might be bugged if the ghouls haven't killed everyone yet
Le_Serviette@reddit
Well, Comarde Cheng and Dashwood are still there in my game. I don't conplain.
CourierLocus@reddit
Huh, I distinctly remember seeing Dashwood's body in the pile. Which is why I ended up reloading and slaughtering the ghouls
Maybe cause I had done his quest? Or maybe something with TTW + Patches. Who knows, but the ghouls do kill all* humans I guess
albirich@reddit
"Lol" said the scorpion "lmao"
cu-03@reddit
What is the hotel in fallout 3 called? Never heard of this quest
AR15sAndShitV2@reddit
Tenpenny tower. It’s by the vault where you find your father James
iCaredForYouOnce@reddit
Schrôdingers racism
thewhitebuttboy@reddit
I never cared about getting a house or room, I just used the house in the cemetery as my storage area. It actually worked
DiceStrike@reddit
Don’t sell out to Mutated shills
AffectionateEagle590@reddit
He showed the truth, His Truth
PascalTheWise@reddit
Is Todd based ? There must be a mistake