Watching “The Measure of a Man”. Bruce Maddox still pisses me off.

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turiannerevarine@reddit

tbh i think this guy should be executed

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captmurphy4@reddit

It’s fine, he gets with a woman way younger than him in the future but he gets got and she winds up merging with the borg queen.

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Oh my God, I didn’t realize that, despite clocking Hugh immediately when they said his name in passing (and omg the Picard/Hugh reunion scene had me in tears) probably because “I, Borg” is of one of my favorite episodes. But so is “Measure of a Man”!

Wish they’d used the same actor for Maddox but I hope it was at least the actor’s choice to decline the role or some really solid reason.

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captmurphy4@reddit

Hugh! Another wonderful character Picard the series killed for absolutely no reason!

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qlanga@reddit

Dude, don’t even get me started.

I had >! Icheb’s death !< spoiled for me but I thought it would happen during the episode/after he was in a few episodes but then >! they just fucking kill him in the opening scene and HE DOESN’T EVEN GET ANY DIALOGUE?!?!! !< I mean, the level of disrespect…far too much.

And then they go and do that to Hugh and jettison all these people about to get a second chance at an actual life? Pure bullshit.

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steph66n@reddit

I took that as a deliberate jab at Manu for unsavory behavior. When they killed him off abruptly like that it was a mixed feelings thing because I really liked Icheb from Voyager but was not impressed with the actor's immaturity lately.

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regeya@reddit

Basically they made sure Manu couldn't come back

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JugOfVoodoo@reddit

My biggest problem with that death is that >!it adds nothing to Seven's story arc. Admiral Picard tries to give her an anti-revenge lesson but the show does not give us a reason why she shouldn't kill her child's murderer. I was cheering her on.

"Star Trek: First Contact" is a perfect anti-revenge story because it shows tangible consequences of blindly chasing revenge. Specifically, Picard starts making bad decisions that risk the life of his crew and the success of their mission.

But Seven's quest for revenge had no negative consequences. She was already an outcast working for the Fenris Rangers before Icheb died. Nothing else changed for her.

This plotline would have made more sense if Starfleet had accepted Seven. Establish that she had a promising career but abandoned it to avenge Icheb. (It would also make Picard trying to get her back into Starfleet make more sense.) Or cut out Icheb's death entirely and have Ranger Seven rescue Picard & company because Admiral Janeway asked her to keep an eye on him.!<

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JethroSkull@reddit

Exactly... Instead of letting Hugh join Picard's rag tag crew, they killed him pointlessly so that we could watch him run around with a bunch of people nobody cared about and were soon after totally forgotten by the show itself

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RighteousAwakening@reddit

I don’t know what you are talking about. Star Trek ended after Enterprise. There was nothing after that. Ha ha ha 🙃

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LessaSoong7220@reddit

I have killed him a time of two in fan fiction...

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wizardrous@reddit

That’s kinda the point of him in that episode.

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CattledogdadNC@reddit (OP)

I get it.

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gatton@reddit

Whenever an antagonist pisses me off I remind myself it means they're a good actor. Like that old nugget about an actor in the old west playing Iago in a production of Othello and a cowboy in the audience shoots him. His tombstone read "Here lies the world's greatest actor."

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PangolinMandolin@reddit

I just finished a week playing the bad guy in a local play. All the feedback i received were things like "i hated that guy", "I wanted to jump up on stage and punch him", "he's the most horrible man I've ever seen".

And i have to be like "thanks, that's what I was going for" haha

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gatton@reddit

Yep sounds like you nailed it!

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dregjdregj@reddit

Data is an extraordinary piece of
Engineering and programming

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NotTheOnlyGamer@reddit

He's also an individual.

It did happen.

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NotTheOnlyGamer@reddit

He's supposed to. You're supposed to be angry at someone whose shortsighted views and ridiculous brand of "technological enthusiasm" lay the groundwork for slavery and fascism. Get angry about that in the real world too, where you might be able to change things.

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NotTheOnlyGamer@reddit

He's supposed to. You're supposed to be angry at someone whose shortsighted views and ridiculous brand of "technological enthusiasm" lay the groundwork for slavery and fascism. Get angry about that in the real world too, where you might be able to change things.

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sausage_eggwich@reddit

"what about my right to not have my life's work wasted??" THAT'S NOT A RIGHT MOTHER FUCKER

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upthewaterfall@reddit

So many basic obvious points they could have retorted with. And yet this trial goes ahead and the whole defence relies on the slavery defence?

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Synth_Luke@reddit

Honestly the trial shouldn’t have happened at all.

Your going to have a high stakes trail to determine is someone is sapient or not in the middle of nowhere by a nobody judge- while also having massive conflict of interests by having personal friends of Data be ordered to try to kill him all because some scientist wasn’t allowed to dismantle him? Insanity.

Didn’t the judge also have a romantic relationship with Picard? They can’t be part of the trial together.

What was so urgent anyway? Why couldn’t they have waited for actual lawyers? It doesn’t make any sense.

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whatsbobgonnado@reddit

yeah the whole thing makes no sense. there's no reason to hold a hearing that important immediately and accept the conflict of interest or I'll summarily rule against you. it's completely ridiculous, but necessary for the plot to happen

he voluntarily applied and was accepted to starfleet academy; they already acknowledged his rights as a person

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moaningsalmon@reddit

What, a tv courtroom drama (set in a sci-fi future, no less) didn't make legal sense? Color me shocked

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upthewaterfall@reddit

“Just tryin’ to make some good law out here … sometimes we have to resort to these adversarial processes… IS Data a toaster?!… I don’t know but I do know that Picard is a Damn Sexy Man.

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AlanShore60607@reddit

I mean … what do you expect of a hyper genius who apparently consulted on Data’s admission to Starfleet when he was maybe 8 years old?

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EmbarrassedPudding22@reddit

Guy has an awesome name though.

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Voluntary_Perry@reddit

Maddox is a very well written and even more well portrayed character. He is so easy to hate because they wanted you to when they created the character

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LazyJediTelekinetic@reddit

I know that it’d bypass the whole point of the piece, but the question seemed like Starfleet had definitively decided it ages ago when they gave Data a rank not an inventory number.

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tropicalsoul@reddit

My favorite episode.

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BigMrTea@reddit

He's so unlikable. I also love the fact that Data goes on to stop the Borg from destroying Earth, so if Maddox has gotten his way he might have destroyed the Federation.

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Interloper0691@reddit

I loved how he called Data "him" instead of "it" at the end

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RighteousAwakening@reddit

Yes, I love that part too. I miss when the “bad start fleet guys” in Star Trek weren’t cartoon villains that had no redeeming qualities. I much preferred when they were used as a way to show a negative side of society but also that people could change and grow and learn from their mistakes. It made the future seem so hopeful!

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BK_0000@reddit

I still hate how they cut that and the end scene with Riker when they used to air TNG on BBC America.

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TheHylianProphet@reddit

Showing that everyone is capable of growth. They just have to unlearn their bigotry, conscious or not.

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DEATHbyBOOGABOOGA@reddit

That was a casual “just”

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TheHylianProphet@reddit

It does a lot of heavy lifting, for sure.

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the908bus@reddit

Good news, he got murdered

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feldoneq2wire@reddit

Did you watch the extended?

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Marcusinchi@reddit

It’s the smugness when he thinks there’ll be nothing to stop him. Rrrrr

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CadmusMaximus@reddit

I guess to flip it: what if he was saying that ChatGPT “wasn’t sentient”?

By no means am I saying it is, but from his perspective at the beginning, “It’s a robot! Of course it’s not sentient!”

I think this is probably a more commonly-held sentiment in the federation than we’d like to believe. Look at the first officer in unification part 2, for example.

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