Hours of Service Rules?
Posted by Cheap_Satisfaction56@reddit | aviation | View on Reddit | 28 comments
So I’ve been watching a lot of “cockpit casual” videos done by the guys at Nomadic. I’m curious as why it seems like they can fly forever just gas and go without having to worry about “timing” out or anything else. Can anyone provide any insight to that?
Longhornmaniac8@reddit
All I know is Bob Allen scabbed at Eastern in 1989. His content could be the most interesting in the world and I'll never look at it. People who get rich while stepping on the backs of their fellow pilots and union workers deserve no adulation and certainly don't deserve any of my views/clicks.
CaptBob_Nomadic@reddit
Meanwhile Delta and UAL ALPA (union) pilots benefited greatly by EAL going on strike and destroying the airline. DL, UA and AA all took over the EAL routes and only hired a few hundred ex EAL pilots (and put them at bottom of seniority list). The union and all their brothers left thousands out to die. Their brothers deemed them too radical and angry and looked at them as less professional. So they took their routes and left them standing in the wind. You hear all these guys talk about solidarity and unions…it’s a joke. They will sell you down the river. I’ll never let a group of pilots tell me when I can and cannot work, much less have any control over my life. Be suspicious of any group that claims to have your back. Don’t blindly follow any pilot group or union, use your own mind and do what YOU feel is right for you and your family. Their solidarity, brotherhood talk is a joke.
Look, if ALPA had your best interests in mind, they would have started a national seniority list decades ago. At the very least, in the last 5 years when it would have been easy. But no, all of your brothers are selfish and think less of the pilots at weaker airlines.
AtariFerrariNH@reddit
Pretty rich that someone that crossed a picket line is scolding other people for being selfish. Enjoy flying clapped out airliners for 24 hours at a clip till you're 75.
CaptBob_Nomadic@reddit
But then I don’t see you paying any Spirit pilots. Nor do I see your union creating a fund to pay them or at least pay for their health insurance until UA and DL puts them all into the upcoming classes. Oh what? Oh they will get pref interviews but not guaranteed jobs from their brothers? Hmm. Oh, and yeah, why wasn’t that national seniority list ever created?
I propose that every union pilot pay 1000 a month into a fund for the Spirit pilots for a year. Do it and I’ll pay too…on top of the pay that I’ve been paying them and will continue to pay them as we keep hiring them for flights. Put your money where your mouth is. Make it happen big shot.
You’re not even man enough to use your real name and identify yourself. It’s ok though, even with all your bitterness and union rhetoric, I’d still hire you and put money in your pocket if you were out of work. But I’m serious about that Spirit pilot fund, you sound like you are all for protecting your brothers from the likes of me, so please stop ranting and let’s see you make something happen for the benefit of your fellow pilots. Tell us when you get your union to approve that union wide fund. They can easily vote in assessments, they just need you to take action and make it happen. I’ll help you promote it outside of the union. I’ll be waiting in my clapped out 787 and A330 I’m flying this week, ready to wire money.
AtariFerrariNH@reddit
All this hyperbole yet you still crossed a picket line and have shown zero regret. Stop pretending like you're some sort of charlatan and trying to make the unions out to be the bad guys. Why aren't you angry at the management that drove a profitable airline into the ground?
CaptBob_Nomadic@reddit
I’m not trying to make unions out to be bad at all. To the contrary, I’m giving you and the union an idea that makes you both look good. As I said, I’ll be there promoting it and saying how great you are and what an amazing union you have for doing the right thing for Spirit pilots. Again, you only want to blab about a scab, but actually do nothing for anyone but yourself. It’s real easy to type letters on Reddit and make yourself feel good. Anyone that reads this knows I’m right. I’m not looking for accolades for all the positive things I’ve done, I’m just asking for you to step up and put your money where your mouth is and do something productive for your brothers and sisters.
Appropriate-Turn1604@reddit
Spoken like a true scab—bitter, self-righteous, and completely blind to the damage you did.
You crossed the line before I was even born, but your actions echo through the industry to this day—not as some noble stand for your “family,” but as a disgraceful act of selfishness that every union pilot remembers. You didn’t “do what was right.” You stepped over thousands of pilots who had families just like yours—pilots who chose integrity over a paycheck and sacrifice over self-preservation. You gambled on a corrupt CEO, and when he lost, you blamed the union instead of looking in the mirror.
And now you want to preach about a national seniority list? The same list you would have sabotaged if it meant getting one number higher? You think ALPA destroyed Eastern? Frank Lorenzo destroyed Eastern. You scabbed for him. You helped him. And now you’re mad the union pilots wouldn’t welcome you back with open arms after you danced on their careers? The cognitive dissonance is staggering.
You say no EAL pilots made it out? Funny—I’ve flown with plenty. Real professionals. Real captains. Real brothers. They went on to have long, respected careers at the majors—because they stood for something. Meanwhile, you’re still out here clinging to your little corner of relevance, getting pats on the back from people who’ve never held a control column.
You call yourself “Captain”—but let’s be honest: you’re a ferry pilot with a title you never earned. Captain isn’t a seat. It’s a symbol of leadership and respect. And no union pilot I know would follow you down the jetway, let alone into the flight deck.
You are not the voice of reason. You’re the ghost of betrayal. A walking cautionary tale of what happens when ego outweighs honor. Enjoy the fleeting attention from people who don’t know better—because in every crew room, jumpseat, and union hall, your name is a punchline, and your legacy is a warning.
You chose the title SCAB. You earned it. And you’ll carry it the rest of your life.
Ok-Pomegranate8977@reddit
Nicely written, ChatGPT!
AtariFerrariNH@reddit
Sir, you deserve an award. Well said.
Gold_Success2378@reddit
Not a captain huh? He’s been a post holder, check airman, and management pilot at multiple 121 carriers… he’s got 30,000+ hours and 12 type ratings. He’s founded multiple successful businesses and makes 7 figures annually doing so.
He doesn’t give a 💩 what you or any other pilot in any crewroom thinks. If you weren’t even born in ‘89 you’re a child - and you THINK you know everything, but in reality you know nothing. You’ve only seen clear blue skies in this industry. You’ll learn though. Everyone gets F’d in this industry eventually and you’re no exception
AirSJordan@reddit
Man are all the nomadic guys scabs? Btw, I’m a child according to you. Have worked for peanuts ($24k a year flying 121), have been furloughed…. What else do I need to do before my opinion matters?
You guys can have each others backs at nomadic I guess, the rest of us will absolutely never forget what scabs did
Gold_Success2378@reddit
Nobody else is. But what an underprivileged kid from Kentucky did at age 21, 36 years ago, is pretty irrelevant now considering he went on to make good with his life. Not only has he inspired countless up and coming pilots, but he also donated over 100K to hurricane relief efforts, has employed hundreds of downtrodden pilots during furloughs over the years, actively donates to and promotes ALS charities, and is just a generally good guy. People make mistakes, especially at age 21. Who hasn’t? You can’t paint everyone with a broad brush if you don’t know them, and publicly slandering a good guy that you know nothing about is ridiculous. Plenty of scabs are shitty people. Adults who knew better. Plenty simply made a mistake. In 1990-1995 maybe you could make an example of someone for knowingly making a bad choice, but cmon man. It’s not like the industry has suffered since.. it’s not like this has ANY bearing over the industry in 2025. This is simply trolling like a Twitter troll at this point.
AirSJordan@reddit
You know, I’ll agree that everyone deserves a second chance. But to get a second chance, you need to recognize the wrong you did and apologize. I’m not saying Bob hasn’t, but has he?
QuantityAvailable112@reddit
TBF both you AND bob cared enough to reply to some rando, and the ultimate irony is NEITHER of you actually really responded to what he said.
I don't agree with what Bob said but at least he had the guts to say he was putting himself first because he thought the system failed.
Appropriate-Turn1604@reddit
He is not respected. If he doesn’t give a shit then why is he bad mouthing alpa on public forums. You talk about bad times Steve. Maybe you should reflect and ask yourself will he have your back when the times get hard. Or will he sell you out just like he sold out all his brothers and sisters in 89. People don’t change he is and will always be a SCAB.
dtdowntime@reddit
what is the story behind this? I have not heard anything about it
Longhornmaniac8@reddit
There is a lot of subtlety and nuance required to describe the Eastern strike in 1989, especially because it wasn't quite as cut and dried as many other strikes in the 1970s-80s.
Frank Lorenzo is a name that every pilot in the United States will know. He was the absolute worst of the worst when it came to union busting, and after acquiring two airlines (separately) via hostile takeovers, actually caused two people to kill themselves. He was ruthless and not interested in benefitting employees or even creditors in the long run. It was all a game to him - - short term profits over long term.
Despite running basically every company he took the helm of into the ground, he took control of a listless Eastern in the late 80s and immediately tried to strongarm Eastern's unions. After the mechanics voted to strike, the pilots voted to honor their picket line and strike with them, despite Lorenzo's certainty that the pilots would keep flying. He had trained replacement mechanics once the threat of the strike presented itself, but the airline can't fly without pilots.
The result was that everybody lost. By the time the strikes ended, the airline was crippled beyond repair and ceased operations in 1991. But Lorenzo was prohibited from leading an airline ever again after it, and to many in the industry (myself included), the Eastern pilots that would rather go down with the ship than let Lorenzo continue ransacking every airline he touched were true union heroes.
The flip side of that is those that crossed the picket line and flew struck work are the antethisis of that. Bob Allen was one of those. Striking is exceptionally difficult on everyone, and only works when there is true solidarity among your union brothers and sisters. People like him profited by returning to work at the expense of breaking the union's solidarity.
Flying the Line Vol 2 is the literature you want to read to fully understand the Eastern Strike. It's available as a pdf or audiobook.
2to_the_fighting_8th@reddit
Scabs are no damn good.
CaptBob_Nomadic@reddit
You missed your calling, you should have been a romance novel author. Such long drawn out dramatic prose. “You’re the ghost of betrayal” ah man, that’s good. I have to say, you get the award for most dramatic comment with a runner up award in most arrogant and most jealous. I thank God every day that I don’t have to sit in a cockpit with guys like you.
theking5tx@reddit
Most of their ferry flights are gonna operate under part 91 rules, essentially the most lax of the three major operational parts (91, 135, 121). No regulations surrounding crew rest and duty day under 91.
CaptBob_Nomadic@reddit
There are no FAA rules but we have our own internal guidance to ensure a safe ops and nobody is fatigued. We occasionally operate foreign registered aircraft and abide by those specific rules.
theking5tx@reddit
Thanks for the reply Captain Bob! Really enjoy the videos. Y'all do some awesome stuff!
theking5tx@reddit
The man himself! Thanks for the hours of videos Captain Bob. I should've been a bit more articulate with my comment here; too many late nights on reddit. Y'all at Nomadic do some really cool stuff, it's been a great inspiration as I pursue my own professional flying in the ferry/contract world. Hope to see you around sometime!
Dependent_Writing_15@reddit
Yep they'll be under part 91 and it's up to the crew to manage the sector time accordingly. They're both experienced guys who appear to put a lot of effort into the planning side of things. They're obviously trusted by the industry judging by the amount of metal they shift each year
SubarcticFarmer@reddit
Part 91 ferry pilots aren't known for being the conservative side of the industry.
Cheap_Satisfaction56@reddit (OP)
That’s what I figured! I just wanted to confirm. I don’t question their judgement at all I’m just surprised there isn’t a regulating body. Even a professional gets tired especially if shit hits the fan after a never ending day of flying.
peterotoolesliver@reddit
You just gave me another aviation channel to check out lol
Cheap_Satisfaction56@reddit (OP)
I love there long form content! The downside is the long break without content