I'm mildy interested in this trim, but I wonder what the lease numbers would look like?
I guess it wouldn't hurt to reserve for $100 and if the lease numbers aren't good I can get it back.
From what I'm reading, it sounds a warning and/or brakes if the driver attempts to turn left across oncoming traffic.
I found a [BMW press release from 2011](https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/global/article/detail/T0108975EN/the-left-turn-assistant-%E2%80%93-turning-left-safely-by-looking-out-for-oncoming-traffic?language=en) when they were still developing it (how time flies!), but apart from that, not much else rather than [this page from a group called the National Safety Council.](https://mycardoeswhat.org/safety-features/left-turn-crash-avoidance/)
I’ve always been a little surprised they don’t, favoring the electronic diff control over the mechanical LSD. I’ve seen plenty of people do it aftermarket on F-chassis and it does make a difference.
Honestly, most people who buy MINI’s new aren’t really enthusiast-type of customers so I think they figure why invest the money when 95% of people won’t notice or care tbh.
They call it Electronic Differential Lock Control (EDLC). As I understand it, it acts as a pseudo eLSD though I’m not going to claim any additional knowledge as it’s above my head.
yep seem like they use the brakes so not a physical eLSD. I'm sure that's good enough for the owners use these cars for although a physical LSD would be better. Seems like older Mini's had LSDs. they dropped it in 2010:
[https://www.motoringfile.com/2009/07/20/mini-to-remove-mechanical-limited-slip-for-2010/](https://www.motoringfile.com/2009/07/20/mini-to-remove-mechanical-limited-slip-for-2010/)
Ehh for such a niche car I think it matters a bit more. Car's like the Civic Si mainly sell because they have an LSD or else it's basically a sport 1.5T civic lol. Most car's it doesn't matter but It's something you can notice especially on FWD cars. Mini usually sells cars based on styling and stuff so I agree it probably doesn't matter too much. But you are right about the latter points
The article admits that they have no information about what engine will be included, then goes on to presume an engine with the displacement and cylinder count of the Cooper S but the power output of the Cooper C. Since Mini's website for the non-special-edition lists them as "Cooper" and "Cooper S" (i.e., "Cooper C" isn't used in the marketing materials), and this special edition is called the "Cooper Oxford" and not the "Cooper S Oxford", I expect it will be the engine from the Cooper C (3 cyl., 1.5 L, 161 hp, regular MSRP $29k), not the engine from the Cooper S (4 cyl., 2.0 L, 201 hp, regular MSRP $32k).
For real. If this was available sooner, I absolutely would've caved and bought one. Most of the Mini's at my local dealer are in the $30k's but a sub-$30k Mini? With a warranty? Oh yeah.
For the price of a base Civic, this seems like a great buy... considering how reliable modern BMW/Minis have been, personally I think this becomes the most interesting option at this pricepoint by far, and would probably be my choice. Props to Mini to keeping the small affordable car alive!
The current minis are awful, I’ve dealt with a couple with blown motors at ~60k mi. I had one that cracked a piston at just over that, plus the German parts prices and difficulty of work, never buy a mini
Honestly anymore, and obviously my flair is biased, they’re pretty refined in their own right. It’s not like the old first gens that would shake your spine running over every pothole. It’s still a low car compared to something like a CUV, but it’s pretty plush compared to older models. I have Stockholm Syndrome so naturally I’ve owned an ‘06, a 2012, 2018, and now my ‘25, and the new one is miles more comfortable. Not to mention having actual human drink-sized cupholders and a lot more room upfront.
Yep I just meant like a civic hatch is probably more practical, easier to drive, less gimmicks, better infotainment, etc. But the new Minis seem good enough and Civics have gotten stupid expensive. A base Civic hatch which has the sport package as standard now is 28,600 after destinations. Otd is over 30K which is beyond absurd given the crappy 2.0l base engine.
Mini definitely will have much better performance not to mention it comes with a HUD, heated seats, panoramic roof, etc according to the website for the new base price which is insane. I'm hoping that's not a typo.
You’d be surprised, I’ve fit crazy amounts of cargo even in my 2dr hatch with the seats down. Have received many perplexed looks buying TV’s, outdoor stuff, etc. I couldn’t tell you the exact cargo space between the two off hand, but it’s bigger than it looks. My old Clubman still had the most storage room out of all of them. But it had the crappy French engine, so, didn’t keep that.
If the Oxford mirrors the regular Hatch, the HUD is indeed standard, as is the moonroof. Heated seats used to be an upcharge, but I thiiiink they have made those standard now as well. Heated steering wheel is also really nice, I’ve never had a car with that before. They also FINALLY have remote start. Which is great as this winter has absolutely sucked lol.
I'm sure you can fit large things. The Civic is like 1-2ft longer so it's not really fair to even compare.
Also yes this winter has been horrible. First time realizing why RWD is not good in the snow. Usually my hometown is very flat so I rarely struggle with RWD and all season tires except for the first 50ft when moving from a stop light. But I was in a different town and the gently slopes were enough to get my car stuck. Had to turn of TC and floor it. Now I finally understand what people mean about RWD not being good in snow smh. I'm sure if I put some extra weight over the rear and winter tires it would have zero issues
True but something like FWD cars don't seem to struggle as much. Also likely to due with the low end torque my car produces. Doesn't allow me to start in second gear resulting in very easy wheelspin. I don't disagree with you at all but it was just surprising given FWD and AWD do better and are safer for the average driver
This winter (Midwest) reminds me of what we got when I was a kid in the 2000’s, I can’t remember the last time we’ve actually had cumulative snowfall of the numbers we’ve hit. I thankfully started a remote gig back in the fall so if it looks nuts, I just nope out of going anywhere. My biggest enemy is just ground clearance. I can get decent traction even on my hills with FWD and all-seasons but if the snowbanks are deep enough, I may as well just stay home vs. getting stuck.
have you driven one? have you read or seen reviews? My biggest complaint is road/wind noise in the new civics. Also the engine is typical 4 cylinder stuff but the hybrid is nice at lower speeds
Honestly the new Civic is a really nice car. I’m a little partial to the interior materials on the Madza3 in that segment, and Toyota has really been killing it with interiors lately too. But I quite like the current gen Civic. A friend of mine has a Sport sedan and it’s quite nice inside IMO. I still love the idea of a Type-R but with a $45k starting price it’s just not in my budget so was a bit of a non-starter for me.
Agreed. The Mazda and Honda definitely have the highest quality interiors in the segment. The Mazda interior materials are better but the Honda offers more spacious rear seats and cargo space.
Did you ever try the refreshed Elantra N? I find it to be better than the R in some places while offering like 9.8/10 performance of the Type R. Interior is worse quality/feeling but I'd say the heated seats and other features make up for it
I have not been in an N, they do seem pretty cool! I’m quite happy with what I have, even if it’s maybe not the most original idea in my car history lol, but I would be curious to test one out.
Personally I hope they broaden this beyond being a limited time edition. I think Mini has gotten way too expensive and too much like BMW over the last decade: their cars have grown in size and price. When the revived brand was launched in the 2000s, a Mini Cooper was priced just a few hundred bucks more than a PT Cruiser.
I do wish they would’ve brought back the manual with this edition as it could’ve potentially made it even cheaper but I know that wasn’t going to happen.
Mini prices have actually dropped adjusted for inflation. The 2002 Cooper S started at $19,850 according to [Car and Driver](https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a60802509/2002-mini-cooper-s-archive-test/), which adjusted for inflation is 35.6k today. 2025 Cooper S starts at 32.2k base MSRP. Similarly, base 2002 Cooper is 30.2k adjusted for inflation, and 29k starting today. Minis have always been a premium lifestyle product, nothing has changed with their position in the market since their revival under BMW
I hate apples to apples comparisons as well, I much prefer telling people I have enough capital to buy several apartment buildings (as long as the prices are pegged to about 1810 or so)
That’s not true at all that they were always a premium lifestyle product. A base trim Miata was even more expensive than the Cooper S when it was released and thousands more than the Cooper. I don’t think you’d call the Miata back then a premium lifestyle product.
I also don’t think a few hundred more than a PT Cruiser would make it a premium product either.
Even a 2002 Saturn L Series had a starting MSRP of $20 more than the base Mini Cooper.
A BMW 3-series had a starting MSRP almost double the price of the base Mini Cooper.
Mini had a pretty good take rate for manuals. [51% for the JCW and 22% for the Cooper S](https://www.motor1.com/news/705017/manual-transmission-sales-2023/) but I guess they still didn’t sell in high enough numbers to warrant the cost of certification for the new generation.
It’s kind of skewed because JCW’s are a relatively low allocation model in comparison to the rest of the lineup. 51% looks high but it’s very easy to reach when it’s 51% of 3-4 cars. We were allocated maybe 2 JCW’s a month compared to dozens of S models and several base. That being said, I still think discontinuation of it entirely was dumb. MINI USA was lobbying hard for it to remain in the lineup, but Germany runs the whole show so they made that call. It’s definitely turned customers away, manual people are very passionate and loyal.
Because they know that saying "Starting at $24,950" will get more customers in the door, but they don't want them to actually *buy* the cheapest model.
The price is nice, but seriously, how do they only make 161 HP out of a 2.0 liter 4 cyl turbo?
I'm sure it has a nice flat torque curve at early revs but does it just completely fall off at 4000 RPM or something?
They should bring back the MINI Inspired by Goodwood. A bit of a joint effort from BMW Group’s brands, it was a MINI with interior and exterior appointments inspired by—and made in collaboration with—Rolls-Royce. Only 1,000 were produced, and of those, only 140 came to the US
The runflats all seem to be coming as summers now. Mine did. IMO they suck on the road in terms of ride quality and noise. Thankfully was going into winter when I got mine so it justified getting the good tires I really wanted eventually anyway😂
It’s nice to see them bringing this back. When I was selling MINI’s, the Oxford initially was a special edition for college grads and service members before being expanded to the general public due to strong sales. We sold every Oxford we were allocated pretty quickly. It’s a loss leader at the end of the day, but it does allow them to advertise a lower price point to get folks into the brand, which is hugely beneficial.
One point I would like to make in regards to the price point made by OP. The original non-S Cooper 2dr was sold at an MSRP of $18,575, which today would be a tad bit over $32k in 2025 dollars. They’ve really never been any more expensive here than they’ve always been, the value of the dollar has just significantly changed since then.
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