Part-time expat? What to do with US house while away?
Posted by ImplementEven1196@reddit | expats | View on Reddit | 32 comments
Apologies if this is not an appropriate posting for this sub, if not, could somebody recommend a more appropriate forum? I’ve done some searching by keyword “renting” and “expat” but nothing seems to match closely my questions.
My wife and I have been wanting to retire in England or France, but I think we’re going to have to ease into it rather than make a clean break.
For one thing, our (adult) kids are in Louisiana and Pennsylvania. It would be unsettling for them (and us) to have mom and dad permanently living abroad.
The other thing is, we have accumulated so much stuff over our lifetime that it would be very expensive to just move everything, and emotionally difficult to part with a lot of things: motorcycles, tools, paintings, books, antique Oriental rugs, musical instruments, etc.
So we’re thinking renting our house for 3-month periods, furnished. Maybe put some of the more valuable or fragile belongings in storage.
I know we must first investigate residency requirements, visas etc, and I can do that without guidance, but I just don’t know the best way to manage our place while we’re away.
So I really wanted to ask if anybody here has gone this same route and could offer me the benefit of your experiences.
Or maybe suggest a forum or sub that would be a better place to look for this kind of advice.
Thanks very much in advance.
plautzy@reddit
Look into TrustedHousesitters. I use it, and there are reliable looking for long term sits
ImplementEven1196@reddit (OP)
I hadn't been aware of this, I will look into it, thanks!
intomexicowego@reddit
As someone who doesn’t need many physical possessions… you’ll realize how much stuff you DON’T need. My recommendation: sell 80% of your stuff, the other 10% of your favorite things put in storage—to decide later what to do, 10% most favorite things bring with you to enjoy abroad.
ImplementEven1196@reddit (OP)
I really do need to downsize, and not just for this particular reason. Just in general. I'd like to give my artworks, musical instruments and rugs to my kids... they both own their own houses.
Usual_Accident_4500@reddit
We are in a very similar boat. I'm thinking of going the long term house sitter route. I know people who have been the sitters and had great experiences. I find it hard to trust people though.
ImplementEven1196@reddit (OP)
We have a very trustworthy young woman in our neighborhood who's been taking care of our cats for years. My wife and I were actually thinking about asking her if she wants to stay here for long periods while we're away.
Poet-of-Truth@reddit
Traveling nurses would pay rent for your home for a few months at a time.
ImplementEven1196@reddit (OP)
Thanks, I will do some searching on this topic
Jen24286@reddit
We sold our house and both our cars in Florida and moved to Germany. We had an estate sale liquidate all our stuff, it was pretty emotional, but guess what, I don't miss any of it! lol
We moved with 2 suitcases each and a backpack. I just bought a cool new lamp, it's way better than the lamp I had back in Florida. You can always buy new things, don't let "stuff" hold you back.
Also, moving to Europe, learning a new language, dealing with visas and residency requirements, the entire process of moving, is all 10 times harder emotionally than anyone can tell you.
Slackmaster777@reddit
I'm in the initial steps of planning a move to Europe in the next 5-10 years and had the idea of turning the house over to an estate sale compnay. I mentioned it to my wife and and she thought I was out of my mind.
Did you just hand off the keys to the front door and wait for the check in the mail? Did you make any money in the end, or did it feel like you just gave away your entire life in exchange for peanuts?
Jen24286@reddit
Didn't make a lot of money, mostly used them to get rid of stuff. It was sooo easy though, I left food in the fridge, socks on the floor, junk in my closet. The house was a total mess, they sent in a team to organize and sell stuff (its like if you died). I did go through everything mostly carefully first though to keep stuff I wanted. I left some stuff with my Mom back in FL. Then we paid them to empty the house out, and then the real estate agent took over, and it's all finally done. I didn't give my life away, I gave away stuff in exchange for life. Time moves faster as we get older because we don't do new things and the days blur together. I've only been in Germany 8 months and it feels like 2 years.
dellaterra9@reddit
"I didn't give my life away, I gave away stuff in exchange for life."
Whoa! that's deep.
Ka_aha_koa_nanenane@reddit
They'll only sell a fraction of it at the "estate sale" (fancy term for garage sale).
Then they'll try again and it will be like a regular garage sale.
Then they'll take the rest to the landfill. Sentimental people need not attend or view that.
Outrageous-Garlic-27@reddit
Renting out for periods and storing stuff is expensive and stressful. The risk of having your house damaged, or having a tennant you need to evict is hard. Plus few people want to rent for just 3 months etc.
Can you just take extended holidays abroad? This is what my parents do - spend 6-8 weeks somewhere and then come back?
FWIW: my parents retired to the UK in 2018 from the USA. Initially, they thought it would be hard to part with "stuff" for sentimental reasons. But they did it! They sold their house, all their furniture, and got all their belongings down to 10 suitcases. They said it was very liberating, and much easier to only have one property, with one set of utilities, taxes, etc rather than two. Think hard in your retirement if you want this stress - my mother in law also has the same stress, travelling back to a property abroad and finding problems that need to be repaired/fixed etc. Liberation is very much recommended.
Tardislass@reddit
My parents were the opposite. Everything was an emotional journey to throw out.
Outrageous-Garlic-27@reddit
I honestly was shocked when they did this. Furniture sold, items given away, items thrown out or recycled. I was really impressed they realised they had to simplify their life for retirement.
They still have a home of things, but not two homes, and they love travelling with small luggage. Keeps them young!
ImplementEven1196@reddit (OP)
Yes this is definitely a possibility. I recently read somewhere that “the things you own end up owning you”. I think there’s much wisdom in that.
I think this would take us a couple years to prepare and take the plunge, meanwhile I do travel to England twice a year, once for two or three weeks to walk the south west coast path and again four three or four weeks with my wife. I’ve got friends there as well, and family in Switzerland and Italy, so some human contact in any case.
Thanks for replying.
Previous_Repair8754@reddit
I did the Thames Path in 2022 and am thinking about starting a section walk of the south coast path in August! I have a dream of completing all the national trails in my retirement.
ImplementEven1196@reddit (OP)
Hit me up on DM anytime if you want any advice on the SWCP. I’ve walked Minehead to Brixham over the past 3 years but left a lot of gaps in North Devon and North Cornwall the first year. I’ll fill those gaps in this coming June, then finish Brixham to Poole in ‘26.
I’m thinking Offa’s Dyke, Two Moors Way, or the Cosst to Coast path next.
I could talk about this stuff all day so I better sign off now 😆
Previous_Repair8754@reddit
Same and I genuinely don’t know why I’m so obsessed with it! 😂
Outrageous-Garlic-27@reddit
I also live abroad from my parents by the way, and have done since I was 17. It was totally fine for me!
It is nice to have my parents on the same continent though - I am in Switzerland.
ImplementEven1196@reddit (OP)
My sister is in Kappel, my niece and grandnieces in Basel. My family is originally from Mollis, Canton Glarus.
Working-Grocery-5113@reddit
I pull the drapes, shut off the water, turn off the water heater, lower the thermostat, unplug everything, lock the doors, leave one light on, plug my car battery into a battery tender and leave.
LinguisticsIsAwesome@reddit
I knew a guy who did this, and he would just leave his house and car stateside, vacant. I’m sure he had security cameras or ppl checking up on the house, and maybe even friends perhaps staying there, but he didn’t rent it out or anything
Medical_Chance_4515@reddit
We rent our US house as an Airbnb. That way we have a place to stay when we’re in the US.
Ka_aha_koa_nanenane@reddit
Do you have a local property manager?
Ka_aha_koa_nanenane@reddit
Isn't this called "having a vacation home"?
Or "having a second home abroad?"
ImplementEven1196@reddit (OP)
Maybe, in the interim before actually moving for good.
Previous_Repair8754@reddit
I divide my time between Canada and the US, east coast and west coast. If you don’t need the rental money I strongly recommend just paying someone to maintain the house while you’re gone, or better yet, downsizing to a condo that requires much less maintenance. Short term rentals are labor intensive and stressful and will limit your flexibility in ways that are not great.
safadancer@reddit
Can't you just vacation for the winter or something? And sling your house up on Airbnb or Vrbo? You won't fit the residency guidelines for France or the UK unless you live there most of the year, but you can go for three months on a tourist visa. You could even look into house swapping, actually, if you're in a sought-after area.
HippyGrrrl@reddit
Give a decent deal for three months, a reasonable cleaning fee, and insurance for damages. And a local manager of some sort to respond physically.
Up to you, OP, if that’s worth the hassle v money.
Cojemos@reddit
This sounds like a greater issue, "It would be unsettling for them (and us) to have mom and dad permanently living abroad."