[Eurogamer - Digital Foundry] Nvidia GeForce RTX 5070 Ti review: 4080 territory, or more with an overclock

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The-Special-One@reddit

Digital foundry is not a review outlet, they’re a pr arm for nvidia. They put out reviews with mental gymnastics like this in exchange for access. Even at $750, it’s a bad value product. A xx70ti that doesn’t beat a last gen 80 card? Thats a joke regardless of price.

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rickestrickster@reddit

750 isn’t a bad value considering it can run graphics at ultra settings 4k with RT. Path tracing it drops to around 15fps. But compare that to the massively overpriced ps5 pro, that console is what you call bad value. It’s the same performance as the series x but 200 dollars more.

The 5070 ti is an underpowered 5080 rather than an overpowered 5070. Considering the 5080 is 500 dollars more than the 5070ti, it’s not that bad. If you want to run graphics at 4k ultra settings you’re gonna be paying 700 dollars or more for a GPU.

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LongjumpingTown7919@reddit

>Even at $750, it’s a bad value product

Compared to what?

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wizfactor@reddit

It’s bad compared to uplift legends like the 8800GT, GTX 970 or the GTX 1080 Ti.

But I’m also aware that that era of generational uplifts is never coming back. Moore’s Law is no more, and cost per transistor is going up with every die shrink. Also, gamers are competing with AI profiteers for the same set of GPU dies.

Anyone hoping to party like it’s 2016 will be waiting possibly forever.

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LongjumpingTown7919@reddit

But we don't live in those times, we live in 2025... so again, it's bad compared to what?

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Brief_Research9440@reddit

Did time start on January 1st 2025?

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CalmmoNax@reddit

100%

It's access journalism and they've been doing for many years now.

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ga_st@reddit (OP)

But, you know, if you upgrade from, you know, a GTX 770, you know, you're going to see a GIGANTIC improvement, you know?

And framegen, did I already sell you...ahem talk to you about 750x framegen? Me, who I nitpick on image quality for a job, I am telling you, M F bloody G: greatest thing since sliced bread.

Artifacts all over the place? What are you talking about, MFG has DF quality seal of approval. It is so fast, you won't really see any artifacts (he actually dropped this gem on DF Direct #200).

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Radiant-Fly9738@reddit

you got a timestamp for that gem, by any chance?

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ga_st@reddit (OP)

https://youtu.be/E9pNRorXiCY?si=KJ1tF13C6Pr9awgb&t=6432

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Radiant-Fly9738@reddit

He said *how relevant is image quality if it's 180 fps * but he hasn't said you don't see artefacts.

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ga_st@reddit (OP)

I am trying to understand your angle. Are you trying to defend that hilarious statement, or?

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Radiant-Fly9738@reddit

I listened the video, he didn't say that, that's all. Wasn't talking about agreeing or not. If you have to know, no, I don't agree with him, but I still consider what he said to be vastly different to your quote.

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ga_st@reddit (OP)

he didn't say that

Okay let's see, this is what he said:

We're going to have to think about how we're going to approach this particular coverage (MFG in games), because what those metrics (generated FPS) don't encompass is image quality for example

So far, everything is great and coherent. Then he adds:

Question is how relevant that image quality is when you're at, you know, 180 fps or whatever

What does that mean? Like guys, for real, it's about literacy. What does that mean? It means that, according to him, at those high (generated) framerates image quality becomes irrelevant.

What does "image quality" entails in the context of frame generation?

Artifacts.

When we talk about the quality of generated frames, it's all about artifacts. Hence my humorous line:

(MFG) It is so fast, you won't really see any artifacts.

Literacy, comprehension, deduction and inference are important.

Also, that sentence is coming from somebody who runs a tech outlet where game footage gets slowed down by 50% or even more, zoomed in by 400% and dissected in order to find and nitpick on the smallest inconsistecies in image quality. Now all of a sudden, image quality isn't relevant anymore. This "new" approach shows a monumental lack of integrity.

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ga_st@reddit (OP)

I've wrote this plenty of times under your videos: it is in moments like these where I think that we, the human race, deserve extinction u/Lelldorianx

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ga_st@reddit (OP)

Dude. I knew it, little DF white knight we have here.

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shuzkaakra@reddit

It disappointing but predictable given the rest of what we've seen so far. 5% faster than a 4070ti super. Same price.

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GlammBeck@reddit

Frankly, DF are not a great source for hardware reviews. Their benchmarks are perfectly valid and even valuable, but they have some... questionable analysis and opinions. They are much better at game graphics and performance analysis, which is their bread and butter.

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Strazdas1@reddit

Yes, their questionable opinions are formed by being actually knowledgable about the technology involved rather than reeing they arent getting some imaginary uplift number that they think is a mandate from heavens. I guess the fanbase of mentally 8 year olds arent very happy about that.

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ga_st@reddit (OP)

Come on man, they're Nvidia lapdogs, that's the reality of things and I am tired to pretend that is not. They were the only outlet doing damage control for Nvidia, defending 8GB vram untill they were cornered and had to finally admit that 8GB were not enough.

They've been selling MFG like there is no tomorrow, something that they should actually detest, or at least be very critical about, since it destroys image quality (check GN latest video). It's antitetical with the nature of the work they do. FSR fizzle is crap, because it actually is crap, but frame gen/MFG "fizzle"? That's a-okay. Come on, what are we talking about.

There are plenty of examples of their massive bias. Actually, it's understandable, because that's the only way you can have a "good" relationship with Nvidia. Nvidia is that type of company that, if you say something they don't like, you're out. They don't give a shit, you're out. No exclusives, no cards, no interviews. So DF do what they need to do in order to be able to have this close access to Nvidia and its tech. That's a lot of content, because Nvidia are the ones pushing certain boundaries in computer graphics, so of course DF wants in.

Still talking about access journalism, with Sony things were different. Initially, DF didn't get any acces to any info, precending PS5 Pro launch. They proceded to roast and tear Sony a new one, in every video, until Sony gave them access. After that, it was all glowing talks all around and planty of pro Sony content (Battaglia still did his thing, because you know why). There was a pre access and post access situation, the difference in attitude is very stark and the videos are there on DF's channel for everybody to see.

In any case, this is mainly Rich and Alex to a cerain extent. John is focusing on the retro stuff, for a good reason I'd say and I see why he made the move. Tom has always been professional, but he doesn't have a strong presence. Oliver is the only guy at DF, among those who share opinions most of the time, who still is pretty open minded, neutral and professional. He actually plays games and he's very passionate. Very refreshing and I hope he keeps it that way.

In any case, DF rides Jensen's cock, yea. Saying that "people love to just ragebait" or "people act like entitled kids" brings us closer to the middle ages. We're in 2025, corporations/companies need to be kept in check. Corporate lapdogs disguised as "tech/whatever experts" are detrimental to us consumers. More Steve Burkes, less Richard Leadbetters, that's what the world needs.

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Strazdas1@reddit

The reality is that Nvidia is the company that is innovating in GPU tech while AMD all the way back in 2022 were still saying insane things like AI will never catch on in gaming.

Nvidia is praised because it deserves to be praised. That is, if you actually understand the technological advances presented rather than ree at raw raster number that hasnt been important for a long time now.

The type of cards that have 8 GB of VRAM would be running the game at settings where 8 GB would be enough anyway. You arent running cyberpunk on ultra settings in 4k on a 4060.

MFG, to me personally, is meh, dont care, but on a technological level the way they managed to warp input and stabilize framtimes is an amazing feat of engineering.

DF has been praising PS5 and got exclusive interviews with Mark Cerny. They said PS5 pro was disappointing because it was. I really doubt Sony cut off their access just before PS5 pro, access they had before, and then reinstate it just because of a bad video they made. DF also has exclusive interviews with quite a lot of lead developers. That Flight Simulator interview was fantastic i think.

I remmeber from our talks before you really dont like Alex, but i think you are wrong on that. John has very good understanding on retro gaming, but to me personally thats mostly irrelevant, so i often skip his videos on the subject. Im never again going to get a CRT, i dont need to know how the games run on it.

Yes, its 2025, we have a whole generation with social-media addled brains. clickbait and rage has been turned into art, to the point where your beloved Burkes is using clickbait to get peoples attention "because thats what algorithm needs". The enviroment of discussion is definitely not a good one. Its better on this subreddit, but thats because the mods actually do gatekeeping and ban the worst offenders.

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ga_st@reddit (OP)

The reality is that Nvidia is the company that is innovating in GPU tech while AMD all the way back in 2022 were still saying insane things like AI will never catch on in gaming.

Why would you bring AMD into this.

you really dont like Alex

I don't like biased, dishonest people who use their platform to push anti-consumer agendas.

That stuff aside, it's very simple: are RTX 5070 TI performance and price okay to you? Yes or no.

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Strazdas1@reddit

Why would you bring AMD into this.

To show that competition is nowhere near as innovative as Nvidia, which makes Nvidia deserving of praise when talking about innovative technologies.

I don't like biased, dishonest people who use their platform to push anti-consumer agendas.

Good thing Alex isnt that then :)

That stuff aside, it's very simple: are RTX 5070 TI performance and price okay to you? Yes or no.

When you take into account all the circumstances (same node, raster hitting a wall, all easy fruits already picked) its about what you should have expected.

edit: also, besides the performance and price, do you think Nvidia's attitude towards its users and consumers is to be commended and supported?

What attitude are you referring to here?

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GlammBeck@reddit

The technology they are knowledgeable about is software, not hardware.

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Strazdas1@reddit

Software is very important part of GPUs nowadays.

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GlammBeck@reddit

Which is why I said their benchmarks have some value, but they just aren't serious PC hardware reviewers.

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10tidder01@reddit

^ This.

Nvidia tech is cool, true. But DF's unquestioned endorsement of nvidia's prices is ridiculous. Simply because Microsoft and Jensen told them at some point: 'Transistors are getting more expensive', we have to give consumers terrible value. No critical thinking and just swallowed these mega corps lines whole.

I don't think they've ever mentioned Nvidia's profit margins (70% or more now vs. what, 50-60% a decade ago?) and the lack of competition in GPU hardware.

Anyway, DF's not really worth listening to outside their 'graphics and performance analysis' and 'optimised settings' videos. In fact, I have stopped watching them all together for a while now haha

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ChrisNH@reddit

These are the guys that talk about 4K gaming and consoles in the same sentence with a straight face.

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Demistr@reddit

I always liked df content but lately I have to say they're not critical enough about Nvidia.

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Background_Yam9524@reddit

I suspect they're on Nvidia"s payroll.

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T1beriu@reddit

They got a ton of NVIDIA sponsored content deals in the last years.

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NewKitchenFixtures@reddit

Oh god, we don’t need the same insane conspiracies like people have about game reviews.

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Cyber_Swag@reddit

They're not critical enough about anything.

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GrumpySummoner@reddit

I'm baffled how completely out of touch with reality DF are with their hardware reviews. They suggest 4K with High/Ultra RT, DLSS performance and 4x MFG as their benchmark settings combination. I don't think anyone would actually choose to play a game at these options given the latency and artifacts you're going to get.

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Strazdas1@reddit

Most people will choose to play that way if they have the setup for it.

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That-Stage-1088@reddit

That's literally what DF said. At 4X MFG latency is too high. They are reviewing the new features and they make a point to show that even taking nvidia's word at face value, the latency pushes it beyond playable limits.

The review also has traditional raster and RT benchmarks. I'm not sure what is out of touch here.

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