Old ad for the Mini Uzi Carbine
Posted by Brilliant_Ground1948@reddit | ForgottenWeapons | View on Reddit | 57 comments

Posted by Brilliant_Ground1948@reddit | ForgottenWeapons | View on Reddit | 57 comments
Montana_Grizzy_bar@reddit
Just Had to remind me I did not get one in the 80tys Fuck!
Remarkable-Base-2019@reddit
Honestly from what I understand about guns the longer barrel means it has more muzzle velocity.
77dhe83893jr854@reddit
While more barrel length usually provides more projectile velocity, this is not always the case. If the cartrige is optimized for a shorter barrels you won't see benefit.
Q-Ball7@reddit
Ultimately, it's the physics of smokeless powder. Cartridges using fast-burning pistol powder, including .22LR and shotgun shells, are already making 80% of their total possible performance with 6" of barrel, and 90-95% with 12" of barrel. Some rifle calibers using M1 Carbine powder (H110 or equivalent), like .300 Blackout and some .357 Magnum loads, are also in this category.
(And yes, that means the M1 Carbine "enforcer" pistols are losing about 100 FPS by going from 18" to 12" of barrel.)
For rifles, you have 65% of your potential by 6", and 85% by 12". Most of the powder in these cartridges isn't finished burning by the time the projectile exits the barrel.
There are exactly two reasons for putting an excessively long barrel on your gun (outside of legal compliance): first, because you want a barrel weight and better sight radius with irons, which helps if you're trying to shoot down aerial targets, which in turn is why you find this on shotguns (a 14" full choke and a 30" full choke still produce the same pattern), and second, because you're issuing this rifle with the expectation you'll be charging at an enemy and your rifle + bayonet needs to be that long so you can stab the enemy before he stabs you.
Of course, longer barrels are also quieter than shorter barrels, which can be useful when suppressors are illegal if you don't want to pack hearing protection for whatever reason; this is an underrated benefit of PCCs as compared to pistols and rifles in more serious calibers.
77dhe83893jr854@reddit
You shouldn't generalize all rifle cartriges and all pistol cartriges. Different cartriges will see different gains/losses of velocity in the same length of barrels even if they're both rifle cartriges.
Q-Ball7@reddit
5.56 and 7.62x51 exhibit the same characteristics, proportionally, from the same barrel lengths. In this case you'll see that, out of an 8" barrel, you're getting about 70% of what you would be out of a 22" barrel (2800 FPS), and out of a 16" barrel you're getting 95% of what you would be from a 22" barrel.
Normal rifle powders aren't all that different from one another.
7.62x39, by contrast, obeys the same pattern for pistol-type cartridges because, of course, it is one.
77dhe83893jr854@reddit
I appreciate your responses and the thought you put into them.
RaDeus@reddit
Looking at this chart you start getting diminishing returns after 8-10 inches when using 9x19.
ARLDN@reddit
Diminishing returns is one thing, but I want someone to try making an experiment with a *really* long barrel so the bullet slows down and just plops out of the end of the barrel because it's barely moving.
Zestyprotein@reddit
Like a kidney stone, but more fun. [PFFFFTHPPTT]
RaDeus@reddit
There is a program that can give the answer to that question, I've seen Mark Serbu use it in his videos.
ARLDN@reddit
I don't want a simulation. I want to see it IRL.
Neuroprancers@reddit
Also absolute precision if you can poke your target.
TalbotFarwell@reddit
Captain Insano shows no mercy.
GreenestPure@reddit
Several inches of extra range.
MuddlinThrough@reddit
It also offers a great way to distract your enemy while you reload!
Drtysouth205@reddit
Generally yes. But as pointed out with the diminishing returns there is a balance for the best velocity, range, accuracy.
jedburghofficial@reddit
Have you heard of "Canadian crutches"?
These are Israeli crutches.
Suitable-Carrot3705@reddit
“Compact” with a 16” bbl.
Zestyprotein@reddit
Some of us are use to working with tools that long.
DookieShoez@reddit
True.
Your wife isn’t, but that’s true.
Zestyprotein@reddit
Dude, my wife could take an anaconda, and not even wake up.
Villafuego@reddit
Mini Uzi carbines came from IMI with a 19" bbl ...... to avoid OAL "issues"
part_time_nerd@reddit
I'm assuming this was marketed with the understanding that whoever bought it was going to illegally cut down the barrel
TacTurtle@reddit
Easy to Form 1 as an SBR and cut the barrel down legally.
Zestyprotein@reddit
Easy now. Wasn't then. A lot of stuff got rejected. And a lot more states had their own laws banning it, even the red states. Some stuff was better back then (bought my first MG in 1985), but short barrels were still very frowned upon.
TacTurtle@reddit
By simple I am referring to the mechanical implementation of chopping a barrel vs trying to unweld a welded-closed folding stock
Zestyprotein@reddit
Eh. Putting a proper crown on a barrel, vs grinding off some weld, and trying to make it look pretty. I'd go for the grinder every time.
TacTurtle@reddit
It is a SMG, lop off to rough length then file square, lap crown with a round headed brass screw or acorn nut coated in valve lapping compound followed by polish.
Zestyprotein@reddit
As I said, I'd rather 2 minutes with a grinder.
TacTurtle@reddit
Those welded stocks required way more finesse than an angle grinder.
Zestyprotein@reddit
And a proper crown requires more finesse than you are talking about. 1 minute on a band saw, and one minute with a grinder, or belt sander to be serviceable. But whatever, man. To each their own.
TacTurtle@reddit
Acorn nut + valve lap works just fine, especially with a SMG where it is open bolt and 4-6 moa
TheMauveHand@reddit
"Hacksaw sold separately".
HATECELL@reddit
I'm guessing it is for some legal requirement, but I find the idea of a mini Uzi that's larger than the OG Uzi hilarious
FaustinoAugusto234@reddit
Under the U.S. National Firearms Act, a firearm with a buttstock must have a barrel of at least 16 inches or it requires registration with the ATF and a $200 tax. Simply leaving the folding stock off the firearm permits it to have a normal length barrel as it is then considered a pistol. There is some nonsense about once a firearm has a buttstock it will always be a rifle, but this is more folklore than law.
HATECELL@reddit
So I guess you technically could have a Mini Uzi that's actually mini, you'd just have to pay extra and let a bureau notorious for changing it's mind more often than its underwear know where to find this gun if they all of a sudden decide that you have lost dog privileges
Zestyprotein@reddit
Most states of both political persuasion still banned SBRs back then. They still had the sawn off shotgun stigma. It only really started opening up in the late 1990s as a reaction against the AWB.
BoringBich@reddit
Hey the SCOTUS actually did something to help with that, the ATF has to actually go through Congress to change law now.
flashmob321@reddit
Nothing says more compact like a 16 inch barrel
Present_Friend_6467@reddit
“More compact size” 😭
kilojoulepersecond@reddit
"rugged good looks"
artgarciasc@reddit
That Uzi been telling lies.
Rssboi556@reddit
With a chop saw it is
Scheann12@reddit
Abolish the NFA act.
AMidgetinatrenchcoat@reddit
Ngl this does look cool
cty_hntr@reddit
I saw a video online, new UZI purchase came with a dummy barrel for display.
DerringerOfficial@reddit
Lmao
No_Mammoth7530@reddit
Where they open bolt then?
ARLDN@reddit
No, that was several years after the ATF said no more open-bolt semis.
TobiasReiper47ICA@reddit
Ah Philadelphia’s own Action Arms
irideapaleh0rse@reddit
On the plus side If you had to walk around with the barrel stuck down your pants you would get a lot of dates.
juver3@reddit
Just add a mount for a 20 inch baionet and you to can become a pikeman
Nemoralis99@reddit
"Rugged good looks"
DJTilapia@reddit
Plus a Pinocchio nose.
CyberSoldat21@reddit
Thank god for the folding stock sheesh
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