Are the Nvidia features really worth ?
Posted by AlgatoY_@reddit | buildapc | View on Reddit | 38 comments
Hi, im looking to buy a pc since some time now, because mine is from 2011 and is running a i5-2500k with no GPU... Now im looking to buy a new one, and i want to use it for gaming, streaming, video editing, CGI and 3d rendering. I had barely no knowledge of pc's until now and have done a bit of research. Since im a student and saving for important things, i dont have much of a budget, so im looking in the used options near me. And now im hesitating: I have a choice between two builds that i think are both decent (correct me if im wrong), one being an i5 10400f with a 3060ti for 490, and the other one being a ryzen 5 5600x 6700xt for 455. Now i have been told that Nvidia features are better for streaming, but im not looking to have the perfect streaming quality or anything, just being able to play with friends comfortably while streaming. So I ask you this, is it still worth it to buy the rtx 3060ti one ? Considering its a little more expensive, and has from what ive understood a worse cpu and motherboard and 3d rendering heavily depending (i think lol) on the cpu, and the gpu is around the same level of performance according to a few benchmarks online. So would these builds be enough for a decent gaming, 3d rendering, editing and streaming experience ? If yes which one should i buy ?? Thanks
ecktt@reddit
streaming, video editing, CGI and 3d rendering
TLDR: YES NVidia is worth it.
i5 10400f with a 3060ti for 490, and the other one being a ryzen 5 5600x 6700xt for 455.
For only gaming, the AMD build is far better.
The NVidia+Intel build is to far out of date now to be worth considering imho. At least with the AMD build you have the the option of scaring up to buy a better CPU and GPU down the road.
But there is no denying that that 3060Ti will probably walk all over the 6700XT in professional work loads even with it's undersized 8GB of VRAM.
AlgatoY_@reddit (OP)
I think anyways i'll use the pc for a year at best before selling and upgrading to a better one with fresh parts i'll build myself. But would you say that the 3060ti completely outmatches the rx 6700xt, and that the 6700xt is definitly bad for 3d/editing/streaming ? I dont edit 3 hour longs project, and honestly a simple i5 2500k held REALLY good for when i edited small things, so if the new builds like doubles or triples the editing capabilities i'll be fine. For 3D rendering, I shouldnt get too big of a workloads, since the heavier tasks can be done on my college computers. The thing that really makes me hesitate is the streaming features like the NVENC encoder, as i know it outmatches x264 enc by a decent margin. But would you say the stream features outmatch all the pros of the 6700xt build ? Is it really that bad for streaming ? Especially considering streaming is not the priority if the gaming experience itself isnt great.
ecktt@reddit
Most 3rd party software have NVidia CUDA support to accelerate work loads.
Intel iGPU + NVidia is the best combo you can get for video editing. AMD x264 codec is notoriously horrible looking. Which ties into Streaming as well. Unless you're in some kind of beta tester group or influential streamer, you're not going to have access to anything other than x264 streaming. Neither the 306Ti or the 670XT has AV1 encoding but NVidia has slightly better x265 encoding. Also NVidia from the 30 series and upwards encodes the game being played to a stream directly from VRAM. That's alone makes it vastly better than AMD.
ifazrOadkill@reddit
Yes, if you can afford it it's definitely worth it, as an AMD user I wish I had better upscaling and frame gen features, not to mention ray tracing...
AlgatoY_@reddit (OP)
A lot of people told me that for 1080p gaming ray tracing isnt really worth and noticeable. Whats your build ?
ifazrOadkill@reddit
The 3060 Ti doesn’t have great ray tracing performance anyway, so you'd be better off with a 6700 XT or 6800—they offer more VRAM and better performance per dollar. However, if your rendering work relies on CUDA, it’s best to stick with NVIDIA.
I’m running a 5700X + 6800 at 1440p 144Hz, and at 1080p, ray tracing is definitely noticeable. Modern games have fantastic reflections and illumination with RT enabled, and once I turn it on, it's hard to go back. But with my 6800, the performance hit is brutal—RT drops my FPS by 50-60%, so I usually have to turn it off.
Haarb@reddit
DLSS sure, its pretty ok, a lot of ppl say DLSS4 even better, but it all depends on a lot of things, first among them your own eyes, some ppl dont see tearing or aliasing, or just not bothered by it.
fake frames on the hard... base FG can bee pretty ok, MFG is conditional on a lot of things... at the very least you need good base framerate, high refresh monitor, again your eyes, would it bother you, would you see artifacts or not.
AlgatoY_@reddit (OP)
I dont think i can access a dlss 4 build within my price range, but im probably gonna upgrade later. Ive played a few times on a laptop with a gtx 1660s, and it still was good and enjoyable, so im not worried about if i'll get a decent framerate or not, ik even the native performance of both gpus is enough for me and far better than what im used to with a i5 2500k with integrated graphics... ray tracing is the same, as ik its not for every game, and i can still enjoy single player games greatly without it. Im thinking that currently both gpu's are good, and even tho dlss is told to be better i think FSR3 might still be decent and enough for now.
Haarb@reddit
DLSS4 itself is for any RTX card, fake frames are for 40+, multi fake frames for 50+.
https://www.nvidia.com/content/dam/en-zz/Solutions/geforce/news/dlss4-multi-frame-generation-ai-innovations/nvidia-dlss-4-feature-chart-breakdown.jpg
GTX cards time is almost passed at this point, especially considering that developers basically put half of optimization on DLSS and FG, chances are its going to be even worse from now on, I mean they actually include DLSS and FG is system requitements already.
FSR3 is ok-ish... but they introducing FSR4 now and its going to be only for new RDNA4 cards, at least some parts of it, they sacrificed compatibility for, presumably, better quality.
The_soulprophet@reddit
I have a 5600x3d, it’s a great system. I think I’d go with whatever is cheaper…both will be about the same gaming experience.
I had a 2500k, that cpu lasted forever.
AlgatoY_@reddit (OP)
Thanks, im sure i'll have good performances on both builds either way. A,d yes the 2500k is surprisingly good. mine is from august 2011 and still running pretty smooth to this day. The only reason its not going perfect is because im not able to manage my storage, update my system or clean the case properly lol. A few weeks ago i opened the case for the 1st time and suffered because this shi was full of dust and im allergic lol.
I still play The binding of isaac rebirth on it every week pretty much lol
Nitrozzy7@reddit
AV1 enc/dec largely addresses any sore points with streaming. So as you get RTX 40-- or RX 7--- or later. For gaming, 12GB VRAM is the minimum I'd suggest in 2025. Anything else is DoA as far as I'm concerned. As for AI enhancements, if that's what you refer to, everyone's switching to transformer model upscaling, which is far better than what's currently used.
AlgatoY_@reddit (OP)
For now what im concerned about is the encoder/decoder, i know that NVENC from the rtx 3060ti is definitly good, but is the x264 encoder so bad that it outweighs all the bonus of the build compared to the 3060ti one ? As of now i'll be staying on a 550 budget for a used pc, and its hard to find anything good in the rtx 40 or rx7 at this price range. Later when i dont need to save as much i'll probably sell the one i'll buy and then go for a better build. Im also concerned about editing and 3d rendering power, but both look equivalent if i rely on gpu usage, even tho i can use the cpu's, but thats why i think a 12gb card could be better. Also is transformer model upscaling only on 40 series nvidia card or available on the 30?
Nitrozzy7@reddit
x264 though dated, is normalized between different implementations at 10Mbps. There's no discernable difference at this bitrate, so I'm not sure why this is of concern. Even x265 is much better, if AV1 is not an option for you, for whatever reason. I'd do RX 7600 XT. Paired with a 6-core Win11 Ready refurbished system, should be well within your budget range and sufficient for your specific computational needs.
farrellart@reddit
I think buying used is a gamble, You'll have no idea how hard the parts have been pushed and there is no warranty. With the silicone shortage components seem to be more unreliable.
AlgatoY_@reddit (OP)
I dont like buying used that much either, but if i want a decent pc in my price range its good. Plus, the rx6700xt build guy is living close to me, so no delivery issues, and he still has the warranty of the gpu and the motherboard. I also believe him saying he bought the cpu new about a year ago, and sent me a vid of him doing checkups and routine cleaning, along with replacing thermal paste. I'll come over soon to test it, but i believe its running good enough for now. Well i wont be bothered by saving for other things, i'll save up for a new build with new parts, most likely in the 40 series or the rx7 series if the 50 series and 9k series isnt available or worth it for the price
falconn12@reddit
Well do your tests before buying and you gucci
farrellart@reddit
What are you talking about?
miru17@reddit
I might be killed for this...
But I actually think the DLSS technology is amazing.
People try to convince me the "lag" or artifacts are a problem with it... but I don't notice it at all unless I am super sweaty focusing comparing between the two multiple times.
Getting 2x, 3x, 3x frames at the switch of an option, is pretty crazy.
HmmBarrysRedCola@reddit
that's a very popular opinion. you're safe.
ZakinKazamma@reddit
It's the only way I've been still enjoying games modernly on my G9 with just a 3070 to play. DLSS somehow manages 240 flat in OW2 and nearly 120 flat in Rivals because of it.
AlgatoY_@reddit (OP)
I wouldnt mind the lag if its not that noticeable on 1080p as im not the sweatiest online gamer apart from some nervous games that shouldnt need too much power to run so i should be fine without dlss on these case. But isnt FSR also really decent ? I dont think i'll even be able to notice the difference between Valorant 260 fps and falorant 300fps on a 144hz monitor can I ? Im not that worried about dlss and frames as im not asking for the most powerful build, but more so about the streaming encoders, and the cuda cores. Can the 6700xt with r5 5600x do pretty much the same job with editing/stream and 3d rendering as an i5 10400f 3060ti combo. If so i dont see much advantage going for the 3060ti because it would be way more expensive to upgrade in the end.
Dangerous_Pause2044@reddit
DLSS is great in some games, and awful in others. some you get a great increase on FPS at a cost of muddy visuals, some they increase FPS with just minor visual downgrades. its really down to the game developers.
im really liking the DLSS 4.0 on a 5080 tho. the DLSS super resolution is kinda sick. i dont use the frame gen tho, since.. well i dont need it
Numerous_Gas362@reddit
I'm coming for you, bud...
Sczythe@reddit
No one gonna kill you blud
Pajer0king@reddit
If you just want the best bang for your buck, no. If you want elitism, yes.
AlgatoY_@reddit (OP)
im definitly not looking fror elitism for now, just something good enough. Thanks
petrujenac@reddit
IMHO buying used parts for a new computer is a false economy, as you would gain much more in the long run from new parts. Used would only make a bit of sense if you'd try to upgrade your old rig.
SchmeckleHoarder@reddit
Agree, only reason to buy used is if you want an older part they no longer make or can’t find new. I.e 5800x3d
falconn12@reddit
Ive built my 12700k 3080 system for 650 eur 5 months ago. All used parts. (Here is part list 12700k, 3080 strix, arctic freezer 360mm, evga 850GQ, 2x16Gb 6000mhz c30 kingston fury memory, 2tb wd black nvme)
So remind me how the fuck you manage to reach this performance with 650 eur with all new parts.
AlgatoY_@reddit (OP)
exactly, the builds ive said arent as performant as yours, but if i can get it for 430 its a really good deal.
AlgatoY_@reddit (OP)
Ik buying new would be better and safer, but i dont see it as essential. Here the guy im talking with for the rx 6700xt is willing to sell it for 430 even now, with arguably better cpu, ram, and motherboard. It also is in my opinion, more aesthetic lol. And unfortunately i dont have the budget to buy new currently since i need to save for my license and tuition, which even tho its not needing a loan like in the US, is still a bit of money. The 6700xt build is pretty recent with the psu being used before and case being old and scratched but idc, and the rest is about ten months old, and he still has the warranty of the gpu and motherboard. I think used is the best option for me, i wont pay full price for good performance, it allows me to gain experience with a pc in case of an issue to be fixed or just using it and configuring it, and when i'll finally have saved enough to be more comfortable, i'll sell it back and buy new, thats what im thinking of.
ecwx00@reddit
really depends.
I play mainly in 1080p, I use NVidia 4060Ti 16GB and , if I mainly do gaming and not local LLM, I would prefer AMD GPU.
Here's why: - NVidia is better in RT but, in the price class, both AMD and NVidia's solution is practically perform badly. So, I don't enable RT for most games - DLSS is said to better than FSR but, really, in 1080p, DLSS also suck. The quality difference between native rendering and DLSS upscaled is very noticeable and annoying - AMD's driver level frame gen can be activated even for games that don't support frame gen. - AMD's price for the same class GPU is generally cheaper.
But, unfortunately, I need to run local LLM and my RTX 4060Ti 16GB outperforms many of AMD's much more expensive GPUs by significant margin in LLM and generative AI in general.
AlgatoY_@reddit (OP)
Thanks for the info ! Although im not considering prices per GPU since im buying used and i can find different prices. But good to know that dlss isnt such an impact. Plus if im not mistaken 6700xt does have FSR 3 so even tho its not as good i should be able to play decently. Im not running AI things myself for now so i should be fine.
falconn12@reddit
For productivity work, amd simply have no support. Mainstream programs all support cuda and works much more effortlessly. Ofc there are workaround and different programs but mainstream is simply rejecting those options.c currently I am in QA in video games and even then nvidia is most of our workstations due to issues with amd systems (we still have to keep them due console is amd gpu based) sad truth since I would love to have 7900xtx in my main work pc (in 3D apps literally amd has very small market place, ue5 still didnt managed to fix most amd gpu issues)
TwoTokes1266@reddit
Yes. I’m happy I went with a 4070s despite having less vram. Dlss tech is amazing
Current_Finding_4066@reddit
The ryzen system all the way. That it costs less is only a bonus.
David_DH@reddit
The use case for going amd gpu is really if youre planning to play non ray-traced games at native resolution, which is what i do, a lot of online shooters, and other multiplayer games where ray tracing is rarely even an option, and i want the image to be as sharp and crisp as possible with as little artifacting as possible, ie, native resolution. Rendering Nvidia pulls ahead, video editing can be fairly close, go check some benchmark videos comparing the cards youre looking at on software you use.