Am I not cut out to be a pilot?
Posted by Positive-Size-6207@reddit | flying | View on Reddit | 240 comments
I have about 14 hours of flight experience and am still terrible at all maneuvers and takeoffs, especially short-field and soft-field landings. Landings are just bad. I've had little to no improvement and feel terrible with my solo coming up soon. I probably won't even pass the pre-solo evaluation. I got a good instructor, but I feel terrible every time I mess up; he just looks more disappointed.
hmfreaks@reddit
Why are you doing short field and soft field landings at 14 hrs ???
Clear_Caregiver6668@reddit
Yea I read this too. My CFI wont let me touch a soft field until well after I solo
cabocards@reddit
Your instructor shouldn’t be spending pre solo time doing speciality takeoffs and landings in my opinion. Maneuvers, especially stall recoveries and regular takeoffs/landings should be the focus.
sunnyray49@reddit
Give it up, Your confidence is lacking or you are just not cut out to fly an aircraft. You could kill yourself or someone else
Checkout lighter than air.
Character-Shoe-7803@reddit
Allow yourself the grace to learn something. I've spent more hours flipping the beacon light "ON" than you have total time, you don't have to rush yourself. You may not beat your peers to the green certificate but you will become the best, safest, and most proficient pilot you can be if you take the time to learn how to fly the right way. The FAA tells us the time to be a pilot at its bare minimum, the time to be a great one is undefined
Temporary_Access2385@reddit
I have 60 and I still feel that way 😂
the1stAviator@reddit
Im an advanced instructor and a Senior examiner with 27,000 hrs and I still make a pigs arse mistake once in a while.
You have 14 hours, you've only got your big toe in the water. Instead of thinking "I fucked up", look at why it went wrong and work at correcting it. Hang in there and persevere. Believe it or not but it'll click and itll all come together.
Woodardo@reddit
50 hours 🙋🏻♂️. Still suck. Born to fly 🤙🏼
x4457@reddit
Stopped reading here. Keep going.
TraxenT-TR@reddit
"If mother had wheels, she would've been a bicycle"
fflyguy@reddit
If my mom had balls, she’d be my dad
TSells31@reddit
-Max Verstappen lmao.
InterviewDelicious14@reddit
Originally a Don Cherry Quote
TSells31@reddit
I knew it wasn’t an original Verstappen quote, I just know he said it once, and it has turned into a meme amongst F1 fans lol.
Default_Username_23@reddit
There needs to be an r/UnhingedMaxResponse sub 🤣
FedNlanders123@reddit
If my uncle had tits, he’d be my aunt.
runway31@reddit
Yet everyone still got a turn
UnitedFan6227@reddit
14 hours is not enough. Took me 75 to get my license
c0m413x@reddit
It took me 85. Just takes time
UnitedFan6227@reddit
Solo when you feel ready. Not when you instructor thinks you ready.
Jolly_Line@reddit
Im middle aged. The young whipper snappers have an advantage. I solo’d in May at 60 fucking hours. 8 months later and Ive just passed the Stage 2 check. IOW, fully agree with this response. Give it at least 30hrs.
ThrottleWeeee@reddit
How many hours did you have at your second stage check? I soloed at around those hours too
Jolly_Line@reddit
Looks like about 84. I just did so last week.
EnvironmentalSun7336@reddit
Damn I love this comment
Londup@reddit
So real
SnarfsParf@reddit
Came here to say the same thing.
saml01@reddit
/thread
Silent_Ad_9512@reddit
14 hours is F all. I didn’t get half decent with landings until 70 hours. And to this day I still have some bouncy/abrupt ones. You can do it.
Pretend_Bar_3922@reddit
Don’t quit just yet, give it time. Im getting back to it and almost ready for solo flight after a 10 year hiatus. I’m at 80 hours (laugh if you want) but I’m not trying to be the best pilot in the world, but the best I can be and better than yesterday. I feel confident now and I’m at 80, we all learn differently. And just because one person does it at 21 (my first time around) doesn’t mean another won’t be doing it at 30 or 80 some I am now. Learn at your own pace and if the CFI doesn’t like it that’s their problem. They are there to teach you and they are getting paid for it.
trenchkato@reddit
At 14 hours you shouldn't really be working my short field or soft field landings. You should just be in the pattern doing normal take offs and landings. Maybe some stalls and other maneuvers but mostly normal takeoff and landing.
Positive-Size-6207@reddit (OP)
I've gotten pattern work and comms pretty good so far, just a little rough on landings and trouble staying on centerline. Stalls are iffy; I can get it within mins after the third attempt. But I struggle on turns around points, S-turns, rectangular turns, steep turns, and am bad at picking the best field. I either pick too close and try to save it by slipping, but my CFI said we most likely would have died if it were real. I'm also iffy on power-off 180s, just with hard landings most times and being off centerline.
UnitedFan6227@reddit
Who is teaching a power off 180? You mean the impossible turn?
Janezey@reddit
It's common to teach landings with power off from the downwind. Basically a sort of emergency version of the PO180. No need to hit a spot, just get to a safe place on the runway.
slpater@reddit
Yup just make the runway. But even then usually only once they have a decent grasp on landings to build profciency with energy management
Jolly_Line@reddit
💯 I don’t care how natural you are. You have zero semblance of understanding power management at 15 hours.
Janezey@reddit
15 hours isn't that short. If you make power management the focus of your training it seems plausible.
Granite_burner@reddit
If you make power management the focus of your training for 15 hours what other essential skills are they missing?
Janezey@reddit
We all agree that at 15 hours they're going to be missing some skills right? 😅
Granite_burner@reddit
Point is making sure there are no essential skills lacking.
Focusing as much on power management in first 15 hours as you suggested to me seems likely to slight other, more essential skills.
That’s why I asked you to expand on it. I notice you did not answer my question, instead deflected it. That answers it for me.
Janezey@reddit
Regardless of the order you teach things in or your methodology, there will be essential skills lacking in the average student at 15 hours. The average time to a private pilot isn't 70+ hours because we've learned all the essential skills by 15 hours!
Energy management is not the only essential skill, but it is an essential skill.
Janezey@reddit
Agreed. It sounds like OP's CFI is overly ambitious with the topics. Practicing PO180s when you can't hold the centerline in a normal landing is probably counterproductive.
Frequent-Skill4927@reddit
Is power off 180 in the acs? I haven’t taught since 2022, but i don’t think it’s in the acs. It’s a good maneuver to practice at some point but not when you still trying to practice approach to landing.
Also as you approach to set up to land, that’s the most important part is the setup. If your approach is not right, you need to recognize that and if your set up to approach is no good, just call a go around. No need to attempt to land if your approach is no good!
8Throttles@reddit
Nope not in ACS for PPC. I would say most of us (30+ yrs instructing) expect a pre-solo to make the runway with power cut to idle abeam the bars. Just make the runway...not a point like PO180s....it can be brick one or 2,000 remaing...just get it on the ground safely.
dhtdhy@reddit
Would simulated engine failure (idle power) on downwind count as "power off 180"? I know idle power produces more thrust than being completely off. But it's basically just an ELP gliding to land from low key, right?
I remember when I was first practicing simulated engine failures, my IP cut the throttle back to idle EARLY on downwind (we had just rolled out on downwind, at an NTA with no one else in the pattern) and said "simulated engine failure". He normally did it towards the end of downwind abeam the one third aimpoint. I had been getting the hang of it throughout the flight so he challenged/surprised me. Instead of looking for my aim point to be one third down the runway, I picked a new point further down closer to us, I think about the halfway point or so. I left the flaps up, let myself glide down to abeam the aim point, turned and just kept thinking "aim point airspeed aim point airspeed..." Best airspeed control I've ever had in my life. Glided it in to land perfectly but boy was laser focused.
Had he told me before hand he was going to do that, I would've been nervous and likely messed up. Instead, he proved to me I could do it and I found new confidence in myself. He said afterward that he wanted to see what I would do, and that no farm no foul if he needed to take the aircraft or if I said no. I really liked that instructor.
Not sure I explained it right but it was a remarkable moment in my pilot training that I am thankful for and figured it was worth sharing.
mittrawx@reddit
Last time I bounced was at 132 hours. It happens, your where most people would be with 14 hours.
ValeoRex@reddit
If you are working on all that at 14 hours your instructor is throwing to much at you to soon. Tell your instructor you want to work on landings until you are somewhat consistent. Understand that you aren’t going to be comfortable landing until you have at least several hundred under your belt. You’ll be safe and mostly consistent but you likely will still worry about landing until long after you’ve passed your PPL.
All the rest of the stuff will come with practice and repetition once you get passed landing. It’s hard to concentrate on everything else if you are stressing about the upcoming landing. Work that out first and then move on to maneuvers.
Just my 2 cents. Sometimes you have to remember that the instructor technically works for you and you are paying by the minute.
Granite_burner@reddit
Agree it’s too much, but there’s also a lot that’s needed. Shouldn’t be maneuvering close to ground as landing requires without basic aircraft control skills.
Stalls, recovery and especially avoidance, for example. Turns with various bank angles, maybe not steep turns but you wouldn’t want a normal landing to be at the limits of the student’s envelope.
Sounds like the instructor is focused on expanding the student’s envelope more than on mastering the skills he’s already been taught. Time spent in the pattern area improving basic aircraft control is also going to help improve aircraft control in the pattern. Question is whether problems in the pattern are not knowing what to do, or not being able to do it.
Necessary-Art9874@reddit
You should not be doing power off 180s with 14hrs under your belt. Your CFI is throwing too much at you too soon. 14hrs is early to solo. Give yourself some grace.
Pilot-MB@reddit
Eh, I’m sure it depends on the student and the instructor. I didn’t solo until 30 hours when my instructor saw I could nail power off 180s.
RocknrollClown09@reddit
What you're saying is true. The thing about Part 91 flight schools, is there's a million ways to skin a cat.
goliathten@reddit
When I started flight training, my landings were in my head- “aim point, airspeed, aim point, airspeed” from about 2 miles out to the touchdown. When I later did military flight training, that mantra became “aim point airspeed centerline” on repeat. One word and my landings got much better!
Also. Like therapists, Just because you have a good instructor, doesn’t mean they are good for you. Could be the best and most distinguished instructor in the world. Just might not vibe. (Just imagine it as though you’re speaking different languages. Can’t always work)
Keep at it! Just focus on one thing at a time. Basic patterns til you get that landing 5 times in a row. Pick up on your mistake and how to do better. Landed left of centerline? Correct more for the right crosswind. Just plant your own butt on the centerline.
Good luck!
hunman2019@reddit
Bro tf are they teaching you power off-180s for at 14hrs??? Thats a commercial maneuver and probably the hardest one. At 14hrs you should just be learning landing, stall recovery, pattern work, and emergency procedures, maybe steep turns although even that might be too hard this early. All that other shit can wait
Square_Ad8756@reddit
Either you are a natural so your instructor is giving you an extra challenge or you are being asked to do way to much too soon. I would imagine given how you are feeling it is the latter.
dyljcks@reddit
Hey man, you're still learning what it feels like to even fly a plane. This is all too much going on. Landing is all muscle memory and sight picture, and you aren't going to be doing a short or soft field on your first solo. You're supposed to build those skills after having a solid base- if not, it's just going to keep messing you up
GreyRider33@reddit
Fly with a different instructor and see what that feels like
Wanttobefreewc@reddit
I have 2200 hrs and I’d say my maneuvers are shitty.
You have virtually no time, relax and enjoy the process.
Fine_Scene_2294@reddit
Being a pilot isn’t about nailing all your maneuvers, that’s just for the test. Being a pilot means you can make good decisions for your flight and constantly gain new knowledge on how to be a safer pilot.
KarmaTheBrit@reddit
Brother, I’ve got more hours in a flare than you have total experience. All I’m getting at is you are relatively new still. Cut yourself some slack, keep going, if your instructors reaction is making you feel awful, then the cfi isn’t fulfilling their role fully.
Keep trying, chair fly, visualize what you want the plane to do, study the cfis example, follow along on the controls.
You’ll get there, some people take 20-40hrs to solo, some take 10 before they are ready, everyone’s different. Don’t get yourself down, you’ve only just begun.
LoveAndOverheat@reddit
The US average for PPL sits around 70hrs
NoGuidance8609@reddit
I have serious doubts about your instructor. You shouldn’t even be doing specialty takeoffs and landings pre solo. The problem with being a low time student is you have no idea if you have a good instructor. 14 hours??? Sounds like your instructor is moving on to new maneuvers before giving you a chance to master more basic maneuvers.
miianwilson@reddit
I have around 9000 hours and I’m pretty bad at all the stuff you mentioned. Keep going Jabroni
MDT230@reddit
Bro said Jabroni 😭💀💀
zerotosixty3_5@reddit
Is is it one of those things you’ll never feel totally confident in?
NearPeerAdversary@reddit
It's one of those things you get better at, but know you can still screw up with the smallest lapse of attention.
Weasel474@reddit
The plane can sense confidence, and does not like it. Just when you think you've got it mastered, you slam one on hard enough to adjust the runway elevation.
Granite_burner@reddit
Runway elevation is likely unchanged. But landing gear height might not be.
Granite_burner@reddit
If you’re confident you’re about to get yourself in trouble.
They all require maximum attention and performance. If you’re focused on those you don’t have feelings. You’re just doing it.
Feeling confident is for before and after. My two landings yesterday were both pretty mediocre. They were much farther from my ideal than I’d hoped they would be. Still, I know what conditions and factors affected them. So they were good enough to give me a tiny nudge of confidence that I can successfully handle those things. Of course next time won’t be those things it will be different things to handle. So if I’m not focused, paying maximum attention, and doing my best at that moment because I’m relaxed and feeling confident, I’m about to be in trouble.
GravitationalConstnt@reddit
Jabroni, cool word.
drdsheen@reddit
Tell me you're not from Philly without telling me you're not from Philly.
Practical-Radio-5683@reddit
..it's a reference to a TV show..
Ya jabroni.
Severe_Elderberry769@reddit
I wouldn’t call it a reference. I would call it an implication…
MDT230@reddit
If it makes you feel any better, right after instrument rating I could not land worth a fuck. As a matter of fact, I feel like I had the distinguished title of “slam and go enjoyer”. Also in my ppl, I could never make a good landing and passed somehow. You are calling it quits way too early and will regret the choice later if you really love flying. I am 256 hours deep and working on my CFI rating and there are some days where I still crater my landings.
MDT230@reddit
Also find what you are missing and doing wrong and it will all click in.
Noperceptionoftim3@reddit
You’ve got 14 hours calm down and breath my PPL took 100hrs and 2 checkride attempts struggling will make you a better pilot. Instead of thinking wow I’m a horrible pilot (we are all guilty of this) think of small things you can improve on. Did you get off your heading during a stall okay great let’s work on rudder control. Not on centerline of the runway? Okay let’s work to understand why we need right rudder or left rudder or why we should pitch down for some speed or add some power to slow our descent rate. Don’t think of it as being a bad flight focus in on little changes you can make and you’ll feel the effect across all stages of flight. Safe flying!
JonathanO96@reddit
Well, your solo isn’t coming up soon until you’re proficient at the maneuvers required so no need to stress about solo yet. (That is, unless you’re at a pilot mill that has strict cutoffs)
Stop worrying about things in the future like your solo, and focus on things you can control like your takeoffs and maneuvers. Study more. Chair fly more.
Juic3T0wn@reddit
I made a post not too long ago about a student I have that has 200hrs and still isn’t anywhere close to obtaining their PPL. Not everyone solos at the same time and not everyone gets their PPL right at 40 hrs. I’ve seen, more often than not, people get their licenses at 60 hours. It’s too early in the game to tell if you’re cut out or not.
nicksandro32@reddit
14 hours and you’re already on short and soft field? That can only mean 1 of2 things: Either your school’s curriculum is royally f*cked (granted you’re at a part 141) or your flying part 61 with a CFI who sees a ton of potential because those types of maneuvers usually don’t happen until after solo.
14 hours is virtually nothing. Keep going. I couldn’t nail a decent landing until crossing about 40 hrs and solo’d with almost 50 hrs. Got my PPL ticket at 69 hrs.
It’s a skill; you’re not going to get better at it unless you keep trying. There’s people with lukewarm IQs flying heavies at the majors in their twenties right now…
You can do it. Let us know how you progress. Best of luck, champion!
IPSC_Canuck@reddit
Nobody has things figured out at 14 hrs. Don’t be too hard on yourself. Hands and feet are important, but there are so many other things which are part of the pilot skillset.
Some people pick up the hands and feet immediately, some take longer. I was a flight instructor for a number of years and had students who were downright scary at 30 or 35 hrs, but pulled it together, and progressed to become fantastic. I’ve also had students who could fly a maneuver to flight test standard on their first or second try, utterly bomb a flight test, or scare the shit out of me because I was being complacent with them.
The one thing that all of the successful pilots had in common was work ethic.
Study each exercise to see what the specific aim is. Also, try to analyze specifically what the failure is. Example: Your “just bad” landings… are they “just bad” because they are extremely firm? Or just bad because you miss your targeted touch down point? From there you can start to try to diagnose what specifically is causing the issues. A seemingly small detail such as looking at the end of the runway during a flare and rollout can easily be overlooked and dismissed, but it causes MAJOR issues for allot of pilots. Ask your instructor for specifics when they tell you that an exercise was poorly completed. Then ask them specifically what you need to do to fix it. Don’t accept answers like “suck less”. Unfortunately this is actually a somewhat common response among training captains and instructors who don’t know specifically how to diagnose an issue with a student.
Just keep reading the flight training manual to understand everything there is to know about each exercise.
Sit in a comfortable place with no distractions after each flight and visualize what happened. Allow your mind time to process it overnight. Then visualize what you are going to do before each flight.
During the flight, think about the process and not the consequences of failure.
Be very prepared. Think of the wind direction, which runway you plan on using, where the sun is going to be during different parts of the circuit(pattern). Mentally complete the entire flight before you walk onto the ramp.
One last thing… frequency… doing a flight every day, or every other day helps allot. If your 14 hrs are spread over 3 months you spend more time (and money) remembering things. If you go at it quickly, the muscle memory will build much more quickly. That said, I would avoid the two flights a day until you get done your first solo and get back out in the practise area. Your brain needs time while you sleep to process what happened and rewrite your subconscious programming.
Anyways… probably a TLDR. Don’t give up. Everyone figures it out in their own time. I’ve only had two students who couldn’t pass a flight test, but i think if they applied themselves and actually studied/actually listened, they woulda been fine.
Good luck!
Ok-Dentist-6688@reddit
I soloed at 6.8 hours. I wasn’t ready but did it
netpropc@reddit
Sounds normal for your hours to me.
kaa8492@reddit
You need to keep going. 14hrs is very little time and everyone struggles in the beginning. Dont get discouraged just keep pushing.
Pilot_0228@reddit
You only have 14 hours stop beating yourself up. I am 100% sure that you are improving each time you fly, and if you don’t think you are, ask your instructor what he thinks you did better at this time. My landings were horrible until I did the pre-solo evaluation the 2nd time. Even now my landings aren’t great. When I started to beat myself up after a flight my instructor always told me “you’re a student pilot you aren’t expected to everything perfectly just learn from your mistakes and improve on them.” I would say chair fly your maneuvers and procedures for landings and takeoffs at home
BenTallmadge1775@reddit
Quit being a pansy. Maverick is a bunch of BS. It takes time to learn this.
Prior to flight (24 hours): 1. Make a list (short 3-4 hours things) you will work on. 2. Write out key things to do for each. 3. Close your eyes and breathe deep 4. Chair fly that maneuver until you replicate naturally. 5. Repeat 2-4 until you have done your flight 3-5 times.
Resident_Guidance313@reddit
Chair flying is so underrated. Just started my training at 30, my old man was A USAF grad and pilot now at a major. All he said was to chair fly over and over
ImmediateRutabaga603@reddit
Relax bro. You have 14 hours. You’re gonna be fine, overthinking destroys all progress.
VileInventor@reddit
so i’m gonna be honest, soft and short field take off and landing in a testing environment are just procedure. like can you slam it down on soft? no. but as long as you memorize the procedure you’ll do fine. keep the nose wheel off the ground. but you’re only at 14 hours. of that time you probably have to 10 minutes max in the flare.
Content-Mix2547@reddit
While other people I know haven’t solod at 40, 50, 60 hours.
Ok-Substance9110@reddit
Ignore the comments, keep going.
When I get tired at the gym I don’t think “I should stop working out”
Instead I think “this is why I’m in the gym, to get better and stronger”
Keep going and lock in.
Wasthemilkman@reddit
I used to be in the same boat as you. I’m actually afraid of heights so it was definitely challenging. I had to talk to the head of department because they weren’t seeing any improvement. I went through 3 different instructors just to learn how to land the plane. Now I have over 750 hours and am doing just fine (I just can’t look down cause I’m still afraid of heights). You can do it, it just takes more practice for some people and that’s nothing to be ashamed of. Everyone learns at a different pace. This might be your plateau and afterwards you might catch on quicker. So best of luck with what you choose to do but just don’t give up on yourself.
BuzzTheTower12@reddit
Bro, you have 14 hours. I didn’t even solo until around 25 hours. I also had around 100 hours when I took and passed my checkride. I have around 150 hours, and am a way better pilot than I was before, but still constantly learning and improving. In the grand scheme of things, you are an absolute beginner with just 14 hours, so don’t feel ashamed if you haven’t mastered every concept yet. There may be times in your training where you learn something very quickly, other times, you may end up repeating the same lesson a few times. The flight training journey isn’t really a straight line.
RefuseWaste6948@reddit
14 hrs is nothing and I am sure others have stated that.
It is good that it seems like you are trying to hold yourself to a higher standard… but for example it took me over 90 landings to be ready for a solo.
Your instructor just shaking their head is not good technique though on their part. Maybe it’s a sense of humor thing with other students but in your case it is hurting your motivation. Chat with them about that and simply ask them if you suck. I’m sure they will have some stories for you about when they sucked potentially worse. Stop beating yourself up and stay confident until someone tells you to think other wise.
If nobody has told you that you are a danger to the GA community then you are where you should be progress wise.
Interesting-Toe-5322@reddit
Don't post anything on this site
OfficialDegenerate@reddit
My guy youre barely starting out. It took me 18 hours to hit solo, and that's because my instructor was willing to let me f*ck up every landing imaginable (he would save it just enough at the last few seconds) to explain what I did wrong and how to fix it, and I probably averaged like 4 landings per hour of flight before solo, even counting the flights i did maneuvers and stuff (likely exaggerating but damn did i bounce that plane a lot before learning). It's a learning experience, and one you'll learn on from the day you start until the day you retire
CraftsmanConnection@reddit
You need to first shift your mindset from whatever 20 hour minimum to whatever hours it takes. Sure it’ll cost more, but stop rushing to get there.
Second, when you are on your glide slope to the runway, just before you land, last 5-10 feet above the runway, do what you can to hold the plane off the runway as much as you can. It’s a slight pull back on the yoke. Just a smidge to float smooth as butter on the runway. It’s far from some Top Gun landing.
Able-Negotiation-234@reddit
lol, I have flown with 5,000 hour pilots who still can't do that, lol not kidding.. some days you're the bug , some days you're the windshield. it's a life of learning being a pilot. "Perserverance" the word of the day. best of luck.
znavy264@reddit
Dude I dodnt even have any landings in until about 10 hours in. Short field and soft field wasnt until I started buttering the regular landings at around 20 hours in.
I didnt get my PPL until 120 hours! Dont sweat it.
Dogmanscott63@reddit
It takes what it takes. Some solo early, some much later. It is not a race (well, except for the damn cost). At 14 hours you are just starting to figure things out. I had my Private and was working on my instrument and my instructor regularly told me my landings sucked. They did, I got better, most days I can get it on the ground nicely, but I fly alot.
MooseWayne23@reddit
I didn’t feel confident enough to take friends and family flying until I had over 100 hours. Keep going
Pilot-MB@reddit
You have 14 hours man, relax. These things come with time and practice.
thatdude1234321@reddit
Try a new CFI! I’ve had students that come from other instructors and fly well with me, and vice versa. Sometimes people just mesh better together!
Prof_Slappopotamus@reddit
Eh, 14 hours with a primary student isn't enough to guage that, especially when OP stated he likes his CFI. It's getting close, and it might be as simple as a fresh set of eyes to tell OP the same thing differently, but it's not quite time to swap yet.
EHP42@reddit
OP might like their CFI, but the CFI doesn't seem like a very good one if he's throwing performance landings and power off 180s at OP before they've even got regular landings down, at sub-14 hours on top of that.
Prof_Slappopotamus@reddit
I didn't see a comment about the PO180s. Yea, while it's an important energy management tool, being able to land is usually where time should be spent.
And while I'm not calling OP a liar, the description of events from a low time/inexperienced student pilot tends to vary greatly from reality. My comment above was more in regards to swapping instructors at such an early time when there doesn't seem to be a personality conflict.
EHP42@reddit
While in general I'd agree, if your CFI is teaching you performance takeoffs and landings before you've gotten good enough at regular landings to solo, they're doing you a disservice. I'd agree that if there's no personality conflict, the best thing to do would be to ask your CFI to focus only on patterns and landings until solo. How the CFI responds to that request I think will determine whether to switch or not.
Stunning-Anteater188@reddit
14 hours is pretty short amount of time. People can (legally)solo at 10 hours but that’s rare. 20-30 hours until you get the hang of it is a perfectly reasonable amount of time
UnderwaterAirPlanez@reddit
Flying can feel overwhelming with everything you’re trying to learn. Don’t compare your progress to the minimum hours required, and just focus on that lesson.
If you don’t feel you understand something say something, or see if you can fly with a new instructor as everyone teaches differently. It’s not your job to impress your instructor, it is their job to teach you and if they are getting frustrated with you, then you will may learn better from a different instructor.
Philipjfry85@reddit
Yeah just remember it takes 40 hrs to get your license. You're at 14. Cut yourself some slack. Especially if you hadn't flown in small aircraft before you started.
flyinghappy@reddit
Not too mention most people have more than 40 hrs by the time they get their ticket. I had 70
ThetrueLaw@reddit
14 hours….Brother if you don’t get your ass back in that plane…
ExpensiveCategory854@reddit
You’re making a lot more progress than you think. We are all our own worst critics. I didn’t realize how much better my flying was until I brought a buddy flying with me. After watching and feeling him over control the plane, zig/zag along a route and gain/lose 100-200ft. Now, I am IN NO WAY PERFECT, but I’m a hell of a lot better than he was brand new and I was when I had 14 hours.
You’re learning, you’re just too new to realize it.
General_Escape@reddit
14 hrs is not enough time. Give yourself a break, and if the CFI is actually making disappointed faces or comments, get a new one who is supportive/can teach you a new perspective.
aRealTattoo@reddit
Genuinely some CFI’s make the difference in piloting. I had one CFI who was GREAT for cross countries, maneuvers and all the lot during my PPL, but when it came to IR I just felt like I wasn’t getting it.
Tried another instructor and it just worked better for me in so many ways. Still flew with both of them to keep up with different things, but instructors make a difference too!
veryrare_v3@reddit
Yup hang up the headset right now. /s obviously
When have you ever been great at something after 14hours of doing it? Especially something intricate as flight training. I’m 300+ hrs in and still suck. Keep going bro !
_MartinoLopez@reddit
From a CFI, don’t worry about it. I myself didn’t solo until about 20 hours, and it’s not uncommon for students to take much more than that.
Stick with it, don’t compare yourself to others. We all learn at different rates and end up at the same end point. You’ll be fine.
hunman2019@reddit
They already having you do short field and soft field landings at 14 hrs pre solo? Seems early. I have about 30hrs and I still haven’t touched those. At my school thats all post solo stuff because its quite a bit trickier than just landing. Due to hold ups with my medical I will JUST now finally solo (once weather starts to cooperate) and start doing those more advanced landings. It took me until about 14hrs before I could even do basic landings on my own in winds calm conditions. You’re doing fine
Adventurous_Bus13@reddit
You’ll still be bad at short field landings come check ride day so don’t worry about it
Manifestgtr@reddit
I floated past my aiming point for about a decade on the checkride and still passed somehow. I’m pretty sure the DPE saw how badly I didn’t wanna hit short…I’m also fairly sure he sees that on a regular basis.
seagull7@reddit
Read Wolfgang Langewiesche's Stick and Rudder. You will instantly become a better pilot. Read the first chapter many times.
Reputation_Many@reddit
How do you know you have a good instructor? You don't have enough flight time to know. Sure, you get along with them, but they may not be seeing your unique issue.
Keep trying, and try another instructor.
Don't let someone have you do something to many times in a row. A flight at
your stage should be something similar to. Take off, come back around do 2
touch and goes, then go out to the practice area, do a few maneuvers, don't do
to many, at most 2-4 of each that you have time for. If you’re really bad at
one, do an extra one and try to make it better. Don't get flustered. Then go
back to the airport do two more touch and goes and your lesson of the day
should be done. Don't keep retrying something over and over again when you’re
not getting it one day. You learn in your sleep. The next day fly again. You
need to make sure you fly every day or every other day for a while. They don't
have to be long flights, but they need to be close together and preferably
after a good night’s sleep.
Also, this could help. Chair fly it when you’re
not flying. When you are flying talk out loud about what you are doing and
wanting to do. I'm turning base to final, or I'm correcting with more bank
because the wind is trying to blow me away from my center point, ok the wind is
no longer blowing me so I am taking out some of the bank. This will help you
now, and when you become a CFI... You'll already be used to talking about what
you are doing for your checkride and it will be light years easier.
DO NOT BEAT YOURSELF UP!
There are plenty of people who it takes 100 hours plus to get private. Who
cares, it's a marathon not a race to see who can get there fastest. You've got
1500 hours to get good, hopefully you're good by 250-300 if not who cares.
And if you are in a part
141 school, get out of it if you can, and do a part 61 program. Part 141
programs suck the life and joy out of flying. They don't get you there any
sooner most of the time. Usually, they cost more and promise you the world but
deliver crap. A Part 61 school you can fly doing what you want to focus on, not
what is on a curriculum.
Good luck
CollegeDropout0220@reddit
14 hours? My guy, you’re still a baby at this. It takes a lot of time. Nobody is good their first try (hold your comments, folks) and it takes many tries. I just passed my commercial checkride after failing twice, you will have hard plateaus and valleys in your training. All you can do is get back in the plane and start the engine up again. Give yourself some slack and grace; you got this!
KehreAzerith@reddit
I have over 300 hours and I still occasionally slam the plane into the runway occasionally and screw up maneuvers so badly that it makes a fresh PPL look like a pro.
You have 14 hours, thousands of hours later there will always been room for improvement and you'll still make mistakes, there's no such thing as perfection.
davihar@reddit
Don’t sweet it, flying cargo is better anyhow.
Maraud3d@reddit
The thing about social media is that you see pilots at very low hours going on incredible adventures. It's great to see, but never compare yourself to anyone. Comparison is the thief of joy. Everyone has their own walk in aviation, and you will too. I have friends halfway to captain at a regional airline. Meanwhile, I've been waiting for a class date for 6 months. Never compare yourself to people. You're going to do great! Just stick with it!
lilgrey_cupcake@reddit
You are cut out to be a pilot. Don’t let yourself tell you otherwise. You are learning a lot at once, and it is going to take time.
ConnorDGibson123@reddit
Were you ever good at a video game after playing for 14 hours
gromm93@reddit
I gotta ask. How experienced is your instructor? A lot of them, really aren't. At anything.
So when you're not getting to the place he thinks you should be at, because he's taught himself and 10 other people to fly... maybe it's because he's never really taught people anything before?
Ludicrous_speed77@reddit
You are at 14 hours, it will click at some point. Some people click faster than others but don’t worry about it just yet.
noodlechomper44@reddit
You have 14 hours big dog don't beat your self up and keep at it
unabletempdewpoint@reddit
My flight instructor had thoughts of having “the talk” with me (whatever the fuck that means) cause he thought I did not have what it took to be a pilot. I can’t stand one dimensional instructors who only want to instruct the best students. I took pride in taking the snickle fritz students and developing them into capable pilots and in turn pass check-rides.
I was a tough student to train, quite frankly I’m a slow learner. You know what decides if you are not cut out for piloting, your wallet. If you’re able to keep coming back and keep chasing progress, you’ll be alright.
I soloed around 25-30hrs, I unsat’ed three check rides all for the same maneuver, autorotations. Took two years to complete my training. It suuuucked after seeing some of my peers go into becoming flight instructors after a year and I’m still instrument training. Took me 75hrs for that check ride. I spent a long time thinking the same thing as you.
7 years later, I find myself an ATP, Gold Seal CFII, 30+ pilots recommended with only 2 unsats, currently flying HEMS.
I say all this to finish with, your good homie!!! Keep grinding, keep studying, keep chair flying, as long as you got time and money, and the WILL, you can be a pilot. Trust me if you really really really suck, your funds will dry up and you’ll stop flying cause of money. If you keep finding the funds, keep on keeping on.
Hope this helps.
Apprehensive_Long941@reddit
Everyone has different strengths and weaknesses. Fly more, watch some YouTube videos. I was great at maneuvers and absolutely terrible on soft field take offs and short field landings until about a week before check ride. Maybe you just have a different learning style until it clicks.
Ok_Battle121@reddit
14 hours but how often do you fly? If you're barely do it once a week, then it's understandable. The secret to flight training is consistency. One of the reason why most flight school wants you to come in twice a week is because of that. Some career orientated school will make you come in full time.
And FYI, 14 hours is still very little to be proficient at anything. Maneuvers are something that you perfected during SOLO PRACTICE.
wanabepilot@reddit
I didnt get good at the maneuvers till I was a CFI, just sayin
Mach_v_manchild@reddit
I've had students solo around where you are and students who soloed at 50-60 hours. Wanna know which ones were successful? The ones who approached it with humility, taking something away from each flight and we're committed to learning. Don't get caught up in the hours. Be a sponge, soak up all the knowledge you can every time you're in a situation to learn. You'll be fine.
paid_shill_3141@reddit
I was about 50 hours after getting my certificate before I managed a landing I actually felt good about. You’re fine. Keep on going. Some CFIs have resting disappointed face.
Natural-Grass-4736@reddit
Just don’t get in your own head. My entire flying career can be summed up as overcoming new challenges that seem impossible at first. Eventually things click, you probably won’t even notice as well!
drotter18@reddit
Everyone learns to fly at different rates. 14 hours is not long enough to be disappointed in one’s maneuvers.
I struggled in general and had a lot of doubts. Flying wasn’t clicking. Everyone around me was doing better. Until instrument came along and suddenly it clicked for me and they struggled. We all got strengths and weaknesses and being willing to confront those and keep working at it is what makes one able to deal with the challenging situations you may face
thakhisis@reddit
I'm an idiot working on my commercial and I still ploweded it into the runway the other night.
GustyGhoti@reddit
Just to pile on to what everybody else is saying, you’ve barely even started. You’ve gotten this far, if encourage you to finish your PPL and then take a big step back and reevaluate if you want to continue. I’ve known too many folks who get all the way to the regionals who decide they hate it and it’s not for them. If you stop at private you have a ticket to a super cool hobby at least. Have fun with it, and the biggest thing you can learn at this stage is how to shake it off and learn from your mistakes because this isn’t the last time you’ll be humbled flying, and I can attest to that with a few thousand hours….
protein-powder@reddit
I hope you look back on this post in a year when you’re a CFI and smile
121guy@reddit
14 hours isn’t enough time to know if you suck ass or not.
HateJobLoveManU@reddit
I don't know why you're working on shorts and softs at all at 14 hours.
what_tha_hell@reddit
14 hours is nothing. Don’t think I knew which way was up yet at that point. Don’t beat yourself up or compare yourself to others.
Shadowinthesky@reddit
As many have already said 14 hours is basically nothing. I've done 14 hours in like 2 days and still messed up my last landing.
I've seen many talented pilots fall off the wayside and it wasn't due to their flying abilities and some not so great flyers make it... As long as you stay hungry and determined to keep getting better (which it seems you are) YOU WILL MAKE IT.
Also with that being said, when you finally get the hang of it and you can do all this stuff really well, don't beat yourself up when you inevitably forget how to fly a plane and have a period of dog shit landings. It happens to all of us, you just gotta keep going.
awh@reddit
I was shitty at even normal landings until about 20 hours in. Then one day it just clicked, and I’ve barely had a bad landing, even the first day back after a 13-year break.
Some people are late bloomers, flying-wise, but end up as fine pilots. You’re just 14 hours in. A cell phone battery lasts longer than your flying career so far; give it some time.
SpartanDoubleZero@reddit
I’m at 60 hours taking my sweet time through my PPL, im in no rush. But my CFI tells me if the runway length and weather will allow for it, always go for a soft field landing, that way you’re conditioned to want to grease it every time. As for short field landings, that one you just have to practice, over the summer I went to the airport two days a week, I got there before sunrise to log an hour ior so in the pattern doing nothing but short field landings and pattern work. You’ll gain confidence as you fly, especially after you solo and it all clicks that you are capable of it. Once you get on to XCs you’ll realize that the first part of training is the hardest part, now it’s back to the basics, and staying ahead of the airplane, holding altitude, holding heading, scanning for traffic, talking on the radios, and looking for the place you would put it down in case of an emergency.
waveslikemoses@reddit
I asked myself the same thing when I had about the same amount of time. Currently sitting at over 220tt and I ain’t stopping anytime soon
Guap-Zero@reddit
I didn't really have an inkling of what was going on until 10 hours in...I finally asked my CFI before a flight one day "Am I supposed to know where we are when we go up?" and he told me no, not yet...
Once I stopped trying to focus on EVERYTHING and just on the topics of that flight, things got better...
I will say...everything I've attempted in life or was interested in came easy...and flying has not been...so it was definitely a worry of mine if I was cut out for it, despite every CFI, DPE, and owner of my flight school telling me I fly great...
Keep working, keep pushing... you'll get there And certain things will take you longer to get than others...both as topics and comparatively to others
United-Diamond7990@reddit
I quit about 6.6 hours into my ppl. A lot of people told me I was a quitter but the bottom line is that just because you can do something doesn’t mean you were meant for it. If you really want this, don’t give up, maybe find another instructor or school but if you and not 100% sure if you want to be a pilot then I would maybe think about it some more.
slpater@reddit
Why on earth are you working on soft and short field takeoffs and landings. I dont even touch that until you're post solo and preparing for a checkride.
From that alone it sounds like you just need more reps on the basics and build in to other concepts instead of being thrown in the deep end.
nickstavros2@reddit
How often do you fly a week, curious? Don’t put yourself down. Don’t compare your self to others!
937OYE@reddit
Didn’t solo until 27 hours and passed my checkride at 60, the basics are the hard part. No sense in giving up yet.
ApoTHICCary@reddit
Exactly. The point isn’t to be the soonest to solo or hit the minimum hours requirements.
The point is to be a safe and competent pilot. We value pilots with a lot of hours under their belt; the same should be true while we study.
cuttawhiske@reddit
14hrs ain't enough to tell anything. if you love it study work hard and get good.
pattern_altitude@reddit
Dude. You're 14 hours in. Chill. It takes FAR more time to get good at something as complex as flying an airplane. Don't expect to be a god.
I'm a college sailor -- and still very new to the sport. My job in the boat is much, much simpler than any flying I've done, and 14 hours into it I was still pretty damn clueless.
It takes time to learn how to do complex things. That's OK.
Figit090@reddit
I used to be pretty scared of just the look of a standard approach picture.
Now I LOVE forward slips and similar point-at-ground maneuvers that, at 14hrs, would have freaked me out. Landings and energy management is more intuitive and I enjoy challenging myself. At 14 hrs? Couldn't land great at all.
Keep going. Don't forget to have fun, make sure you don't lose sight of the journey as you work toward a destination.
peteonrails@reddit
14 hours is nothing. Keep going. One day it’ll click. I took my PPL at 65 hours. It’s not a contest.
throwaway008392900@reddit
It took me 40 hours to solo and now I’m a legacy captain. I think you’ll be fine. Eventually it starts clicking.
cashew929@reddit
DO NOT, I REPEAT DO NOT get sucked into this 'hours to solo' crap. It's BS. Any real CFI will tell you 'it depends'.. Say you flew 3 hours a month, at the end of the year you come on here and go 'oh, I have 36 hours, but not soloing yet'.. well.. duh.. but some people will immediately say 'oh you should be soloing', it's ridiculous.. every good CFI will say it depends on how often you fly, and if you don't fly regularly, you take a step back. I'd prefer it if people said x hours in y time, which would at least be more realistic, but the best option would be to stop talking about hours online with people that don't know your flying, and just talk to your CFI about it.
420HighTemplar@reddit
I’ve got 150hrs plus and still no PPL. (Medical caused some delay after first few solo - I’m now prepping for check ride.)
Hit the books, don’t give up. You’ll always be learning as a pilot.
ApoTHICCary@reddit
14hrs? Don’t look at this like a sprint; getting your licenses at the minimal time required does you no favors. It’s an endurance race.
Practice makes permanence.
Avocado_Isle@reddit
The program will weed those less inept, out. They will get into your psyche. Having dreams other than flying is resilience. Starting flirting with plan B.
Canikfan434@reddit
Don’t be so hard on yourself! Patience grasshopper. We’ve all been there. It will come. As one of my CFIs once exclaimed, “Oh my God-he did something I taught him!”😂😂
TxAggieMike@reddit
I wonder how many of these youngsters recall where the grasshopper quote comes from?
Canikfan434@reddit
Ya know, that hadn’t occurred to me!😂 a few years back I was working with a guy in his early 20s, and pop culture stuff came up- Lynda Carter & Wonder Woman-he had no clue. Mentioned Eddie VanHalen… “who?” I weep for these younger ones… who hasn’t heard of VanHalen???!😱
TxAggieMike@reddit
Lynda Carter … va va voom! Like Farah Fawcet and Loni Anderson.
Once mentioned Michael Jackson to a young student and got a blank look.
Someday our paper sectionals are going to be as obsolete as the 8-track tape and 16-mm film projectors.
Canikfan434@reddit
Same CFI: “the day you stop learning is the day you die.”
BabiesatemydingoNSW@reddit
Dude. Nobody has all this stuff down at only 14 hours.
kommandee@reddit
Except me
BabiesatemydingoNSW@reddit
You are my hero.
adventuresofh@reddit
You have 14 hours - you’ve barely started! Give yourself a break. And we all have learning plateaus at times, and we all struggle with landings at the start. I’m reading your other comments and it sounds like your CFI is throwing a lot at you. Have you tried flying with a different CFI? Sometimes it helps to fly with someone new when you’re struggling!
I have ~750 hours and I still struggle with those things at times. I’ve flown with 20,000 hour pilots who have rough landings sometimes. Don’t beat yourself up.
automated_rat@reddit
Bro I first solod at like 30 hours, chill
moxygenx@reddit
First of all, this stuff can be hard. So please don’t hold yourself to an unrealistic standard.
Second of all, your instructor’s job is to teach you and also should be to try to keep you motivated. He should not be conveying disappointment to you, unless he’s disappointed in himself.
Makes me wonder how experienced he is.
Suggestion: Try flying with another instructor.
Tough-Choice@reddit
The fact that you are on here putting in the effort to ask this question tells me you have what it takes. Press on! There is nothing more rewarding.
diegom07@reddit
Almost 700 total time and type rated on the 737 still screw up
ManyPandas@reddit
You’re fine. Plateaus are a normal part of the learning process. Keep putting the effort in. It will come with time.
UnitedFan6227@reddit
Even when you get your license you still only know enough to keep from killing yourself.
usmcmech@reddit
30 years, 7000 hours and I still suck at landing some days.
UnitedFan6227@reddit
A good landing is one you walk away from.
New_Refrigerator_640@reddit
Are you having fun when you fly?
Positive-Size-6207@reddit (OP)
It's fun flying; I love the feeling. I just keep losing track when performing maneuvers, like losing 100 feet of altitude or going 10 knots too fast or 10 knots too slow. which is condsidered a failure.
UnitedFan6227@reddit
Not a problem. Practice makes perfect.
New_Refrigerator_640@reddit
So what I would do is study aerodynamics to help visualize how the lift of your plane works so it helps you figure out why your going 100ft above or etc. that’s how it helped me but it maybe diff for you
ParticularWhich5485@reddit
Keep in mind, +/-10 knots and +/-100 feet is the standard. Going outside of these standards is NOT a failure for PPL checkride. Failure to correct when going outside of the standards can be a failure. Highly recommend working to stay within them but don't stress so much about it... Especially at 14 hours.
Kai-ni@reddit
You have 14 hours man, take it easy 😭
FantasticMission719@reddit
Pls don’t quit early, the worst thing you can do is give up on yourself early. You will spend more hours looking back filled with regret than wishing you had given up earlier.
Wonderful-Class-1971@reddit
You’re at a 141 aren’t you? Think a bit about how much time 14 hours is. I’ve had shifts at minimum wage jobs longer than 14 hours. The good news is soloing is just staying in the pattern for a few laps doing what you know. So what if you land a little hard know what I mean?
Also what specifically about your landings sucks? Mine are hit or miss but there are a few things that you might not be thinking about that can help.
UnitedFan6227@reddit
If you are trying to get through in 40 forget it. I flew with a guy who got his license at 40 hours. Lucky to be alive.
Which_Material_3100@reddit
Keep going. Maybe switch instructors for new perspective on stuff that present a challenge for you. Don’t give up!
Heembeam@reddit
You have 14 hours, cry a bit and get back to it. Buy a simulator to practice if you need to.
Shuttle_Tydirium1319@reddit
Have you ever played a sport? Crafted something? Worked on a project of some type that required skill? Driven a car? Played a video game that took some skill?
How good were you at the thing you are thinking of at 14 hours. Doing the activity a total of what, 10 times? 12? You weren’t that good I bet. Keep going. You’ll improve with practice and experience.
Dont-Snk93@reddit
14 hours lol. Just keep on peddlin man
WickedWings10Pack@reddit
lol 14 hours
dyljcks@reddit
When I was struggling with my landings my instructor told me about a sign at his old school that said "$10 to learn how to fly, $50 to learn how to land"
Pointing the nose of the plane at the ground isn't a natural feeling, and gauging how high off the ground you are with your periphery is simply something you have to feel. You're gonna balloon and bounce more times than you care to remember, but then magically you wont
Leading-Resist-8263@reddit
I couldn’t land for shit until I was about 20 hrs in and even then it was never natural. 140 hours later and I’m flying a 767. You just gotta wait for your “click” moment. For me it was just perspective from a different instructor that suddenly fixed a lot of the problems that were ailing me.
Other_Scientist_8760@reddit
14 hours? And your judging yourself like this? C'mon! Keep flying, don't give up!
prex10@reddit
14 hours and you aren't Chuck Yeager? Yeah you should quit
JadedJared@reddit
Your biggest friend right now is repetition. Fly as much and often as you can, preferably 4-5 days a week. Come prepared so you don’t have to put as much brain power into radio calls, checklists, pitch and power settings, etc and are able to focus more on maneuvers and landings. Lastly, have faith that it will come with time.
flyboyslc@reddit
No offense to your flight instructor or yourself, sometimes teaching/learning methods don’t mix well! If it’s possible, try going up with another instructor if you haven’t yet!
SciencesAndFarts@reddit
I didn't solo until 25 hours, and my landings were inconsistent until about 2 weeks before my check ride. My maneuvers didn't get really good until commercial, which is why the tolerances are tighter then. Keep going.
There are some videos on YouTube about things like how to correct steep turns. They helped me a lot.
Comfortable-Reveal75@reddit
I know this might not be the most accurate analogy but if you have your drivers license do you think you were good at driving? It takes time, most people don’t even get their ppl until 70 hours or so. You’re only at 1/5th of the hours KEPP GOING!! 😋
KitchenSuch5037@reddit
The only terrible thing as of now is your attitude. Keep going and stick with it, you’ll be better in no time.
Fit-Bedroom6590@reddit
If your CFI is expressing his displeasure by making faces as you learn this is obviously on purpose or aeronautical immaturity..
Consider that this for you is not a learning failure, but a teaching failure. Trade your CFI for one that smiles and a pilot to be named later that has a passion to solve problems providing you with progress and workable solutions; you will then succeed as your confidence improves. Bad instruction has ruined many a pilot at all levels of aviation there is no pill to fix this except to recognize the problem and its source, problem resolved..
S80, B707, B727, B757, B767, B777, DC8, DC10.
Secure_Ad_4823@reddit
Let yourself enjoy the process of learning, keep flying and have fun with it.
Direct-Knowledge-260@reddit
It took me 70-80 hours before I took my checkride. You have plenty of time ahead of you to solidify your skills. And because of my schools program, they didn’t solo me until closer to 60-70 hours. Without a doubt I bet many would agree the short field landing is probably the hardest landing for a new pilot to learn. Its very precise and low energy.
Landing is hard!!! I still slam the 737 on the ground on a sunny, calm wind day from time to time.
All in all, initial training is probably the hardest training you’ll go through as a pilot.
You’re learning how to fly, how your airplane works, how to talk to ATC, how to calculate fuel burn, weight and balance, and density altitude/pressure altitude, reading weather reports, how to read a fricken VFR sectional and not to mention the FAR! All for the first time. That is a lot of stuff!
We as pilots are the hardest critics to please. You may not be that far off as you may feel. Always room for improvement but we will always kick ourselves the hardest despite the compliments “nice job”
Good luck!
Plastic_Brick_1060@reddit
How long do we give babies a chance to walk before we give up on it?
Successful_Gas_987@reddit
It took me 25 hours to get good landings and I’m finally about to do my solo tomorrow at 33 hours. If you work at it you will get to where you want to be, just study and trust the process.
LeftClosedTraffic@reddit
2K hours in and I still thundercunt landings in. We all do, it happens. At 14 hours just focus on doing your best and having fun! You will get there, I promise
Direct_Cabinet_4564@reddit
You need to learn how to do a normal landing before you worry about short and soft field landings.
Do you have a syllabus? You should. It will have a plan for each lesson and they should be arranged in a logical order. If you don’t have a syllabus, you need to find another instructor or another school.
Last_Raspberry_4712@reddit
Get a new instructor before this one kills you.
General174512@reddit
Thats absolutely normal.
Heres a tip, if you keep convincing yourself that you’re not cut out to be a pilot, you’re more likely to quit, and THATS what makes you not cut out to be a pilot.
Aviation is all about repetition. Some may learn faster than others, buts that’s normal.
Just keep going, you’ll probably need extra hours (usually 60 hours like most people do), but that’s just how it works, you won’t know everything that quickly, it’s just not as simple as that.
bhalter80@reddit
I'm a CFI and relearning how to do steep turns before I have to teach a primary or commercial student looks comical sometimes. Fortunately I can do it solo so only CloudAhoy is watching
kommandee@reddit
Give up lil nigga it’s over for you
legitSTINKYPINKY@reddit
Probably
Electronic-Pie-829@reddit
Come back when you have 50 hours. Or in my case 500 hours. JK FAA. 😂
tele-picker@reddit
14 hours!?
imitt12@reddit
I would have wager a guess that you're hitting the bottom of the Dunning-Krueger curve, where your experience is increasing inverse to your confidence level. That's good, it means you're not overconfident about your skill level and will be more cautious about making mistakes. It also means you're learning.
You've got this, just keep going.
Yossarian147@reddit
Instructors that have students doing short and soft field landings before solo are using a bad syllabus. If they’re using one at all.
TxAggieMike@reddit
Agree!
Empty-Raspberry1438@reddit
The only cut you need to make is slack for yourself. My PPL check ride was at 83 hours. Can’t remember the time it took me to solo…seriously, you’ve got a lot of learning and flying ahead of you. Relax and have fun learning the most challenging thing you’ll ever voluntarily tackle.
TxAggieMike@reddit
Performance takeoffs and landings at 14 hours is maybe a bit early.
Commonly they are after solo…
Are you familiar with the contents of 14 CFR §61.87?
Are you following a written syllabus? Could you share a copy with all of us?
MuppetFlyer@reddit
so might be a bit blunt, but how would you know if you have a good instructor with 14 hours? The guy might be actually terrible... and also you are hitting a plateau. Nothing abnormal there. It's going to click at one point. Also, trying another instructor who will say the same things, just differently can be helpful.
TheGacAttack@reddit
Wait until you have 100hrs!
You'll still suck at everything, but you'll at least be able to understand how badly. Right now, you don't even know enough to really understand how bad you are.
So anyways... KEEP GOING!!
Sufficient-Crow-5659@reddit
I have 240 hours and I’m shit too don’t worry
burningtowns@reddit
You’re at 1% of the flight hours you need. Keep flying, keep learning. Rome wasn’t built in a day.
Bluebikes@reddit
14 hours is nothing, and you’re already doing short/soft?
StrangeCow6712@reddit
At 14 hrs I still didn’t know what the pedals on the floor were used for just keep going
JT-Av8or@reddit
14 hours? You’re fine. I don’t even know why you’re doing those other types of landings pre-solo. Your IP is teaching too much before you have a solid foundation. All you should be doing is basic flying, turns, landings and stalls at this stage. That’s all. Then solo. Then maneuvers and short/soft landings, night and XC.
GrandMasBushidoBrown@reddit
Self doubt is the greatest enemy, there is literally no one on this planet that can stop you from being a pilot other than yourself.
Mrtee1z@reddit
Keep going. If you're not comfortable soloing, tell your instructor. If you have the chance, try a different airframe. In a 172 I can't tell when my wheels touch but In a cherokee, tower feels when the wheels touch. Do a lesson with someone else. Certain things click at different times. Before you give up entirely, go fly a Cub and then decide.
runway31@reddit
I have 300 hours and still screw stuff up. Take some more time to feel ready, dont make yourself rush.
What do you enjoy about flying? Go do some flights and just focus on that, tell your instructor you want to remotivate and just have fun for a few hours.
InstructionGlobal304@reddit
You might need to fly with another instructor, different instructors explain stuff differently and it might just click after doing it one time. You’ve only got 14 hours, that’s nothing. You’ve got a long time to improve and watching YouTube videos about maneuvers helped me a lot too so just use your recourses! Don’t be hard on yourself, everyone moves at a different pace.
ThePurpleUFO@reddit
You may have to face the fact that not everyone can become a pilot...no shame in that...just reality.
TurntButNotBurnt@reddit
Every new pilot hits the slump and feels this way at some point. Just fly through it.
EliteEthos@reddit
You need 40 hours for a license for a reason…
Nobody can stop you from quitting but you seem young. You should learn that making mistakes is part of life. Work on being more forgiving of yourself.
You’ve BARELY started flying, what did you expect? To perfect it at 14 hours? Then what for the rest of the 40 required hours?
You do know you’re going to keep learning after your PPL too, right? You’re demanding too much.
SubarcticFarmer@reddit
Took me a hell of a lot more time than that to solo and I'm a pilot at a major airline.
OnToNextStage@reddit
Bruh
If you’re having fun when you’re flying you can be a pilot
climbFL350@reddit
Be honest with yourself and think if you should be proficient in those things yet. There’s only one answer. NO
You will get better with time and practice
PLIKITYPLAK@reddit
First off 14 hours is too little flight time to come to any hard conclusions. Secondly how often are your lessons? If you are doing lessons only one a week or a couple times a month that is too long in between maintain all the gains you get in a lesson. It is a skill that perishes very fast, especially to someone new learning how to fly a plane. Sweet spot is 2 to 3 lessons a week.
insidiouspilot23@reddit
I’m not a pilot yet but it sounds like you’re being hard on yourself. Anybody can do most things if they set their mind to it. Just promise yourself you’ll try your best and I bet you’ll get better through time! You got this!! - Future Pilot 😎
rFlyingTower@reddit
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I have about 14 hours of flight experience and am still terrible at all maneuvers and takeoffs, especially short-field and soft-field landings. Landings are just bad. I've had little to no improvement and feel terrible with my solo coming up soon. I probably won't even pass the pre-solo evaluation. I got a good instructor, but I feel terrible every time I mess up; he just looks more disappointed.
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