CPL statistics Canada
Posted by Sparkeee353@reddit | flying | View on Reddit | 12 comments
Is there any way to see how many new CPL’s are acquired per year in Canada past 2018? Why don’t they release current data ?
MTINC@reddit
A National Post article from 2023, after the pandemic ended, cited 474 new CPLs in Canada in 2020, 293 in 2021, and 238 in 2022. Not sure where they got the numbers from as I can't find any data past 2018 from TC itself.
CanadianFltTrainers@reddit
The data they gave us in a Freedom of Information request shows 374 CPL(A) and 68 CPL(H) in 2020. We don't have data beyond that.
Sparkeee353@reddit (OP)
Thanks man yeah I’m interested in the numbers post Covid recovery-and during this downturn- if they bounced back or if inflation really will cause a shortage as I’m hopping in the industry at 30 … very frustrating … best of luck
gromm93@reddit
I've heard that the situation is very different from the US, where during covid everyone got furloughed. Up here, AC especially kept all their pilots on payroll, so they didn't have to go through the insanity of trying to hire everyone back at once, with some people not coming back.
As a result, the same sort of training and hiring situation that existed pre-pandemic continues to exist. And a lot of the older captains are retiring, so there's a lot of new FO positions. The situation is dire enough that 500 hour pilots are being hired at Jazz.
kaoandy1125@reddit
Jazz hiring 500 hr pilots is a thing of the past, lasted maybe 6 months? Also…maybe that’s because Jazz isn’t a desirable place to be?
gromm93@reddit
I just spoke to an Air Canada FA over the weekend, and that's what he was saying. He's also working on his license.
Working for Jazz is a hell of a lot better than nearly any other low-time pilot job. The fact that they're still hiring - even with somewhat tighter requirements - is apparently better than the situation south of the border, as many pilots are saying that it's near impossible to get work again.
The airline industry is very cyclical. Flow with it.
kaoandy1125@reddit
Working for Jazz is a hell of a lot better than nearly any other low-time pilot job? Tell that to all those that got screwed in the supposedly contractual “flow”. Encore is hiring too, does that make encore a really good airline? Actually yes if you want to go to AC.
I worked at Jazz, and it sucked, there’s a reason why they needed to lower their requirements to 500 hours. Anyone with actual experience aint touching Jazz with a ten foot pole
gromm93@reddit
So you're saying you completely misunderstood my comment.
I didn't say the good jobs were hiring.
MTINC@reddit
That's true, but as a fresh CPL with under 500 hours, I'd take Jazz with a base in an actual city over ramp up North for a year+ any day of the week.
MTINC@reddit
Yeah just keep at it, I suspect there's been a bounce back in CPLs in '23 and '24, our flight school is busier than ever. The downturn in the last 8 or so months seems to be a correction after all the hiring last year which really wasn't sustainable.
CanadianFltTrainers@reddit
We did a Freedom of Information Request in 2022 and got data up to and including 2020. Our request is publicly available somewhere in their system and you can actually ask for the same package we got. You can also make a new request to have the data from 2021 up to the end of 2024 and see what they give you.
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