Am i the only one that thinks 1300€ for a 5070ti is insane?

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Broad_Lemon_2394@reddit

yea it is when the 9070 xt is better for cheaper

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LongNo7305@reddit (OP)

Not in Germany lol. Both Not in stock and expensive af sadly

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whomad1215@reddit

so don't buy it at the inflated price?

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SelloutRealBig@reddit

Then can you point to a 5070ti that isn't overpriced? Preferably for $350 like the price i bought my 1070ti for? Which would still only be $450-500 today after inflation.

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Helkas@reddit

I made 5k on that stupid deep seek market dip. :D I bought like crazy knowing it was dumb fear.

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Disastrous_Crew_9260@reddit

Yup, it’s funny because deepseek was known about for weeks before that.

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DanWillHor@reddit

Because the pandemic/crypto gangbang taught them that people will buy cards at insane markup and to maintain their space in the industry. If people refused to buy a $300 product at $2000+ they probably wouldn't even waste their time, tbh.

People will therefore they do but the fabs/foundries only have so much throughput so Nvidia is gonna prioritize the clusters that sell for millions over the gamer-dude cards.

They're not the gaming card company anymore. They're the AI supercluster company that happens to make a limited amount of gamer cards that they sell at insane markup now. Intel and AMD seem to be trying to fill that market but we'll see how that goes. Games and local AI software still seems to be written primarily for Nvidia hardware so we're in this weird hole where nobody in their right mind wants to spend $750+ for a GPU but you just kinda have to. Spend it or test the sketchy af used GPU market...which seems to be what Nvidia wants. Buy a new card or test the used market because we won't/can't keep making older series GPUs to buy NIB at a cheaper price. In fact, older NIB prices aren't even coming down anymore lol. I've been looking at a 3070 for a year now and the price has only gone up.

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Autoimmunity@reddit

Brother I hate the current state of the GPU market as much as anyone but you can't seriously think that the 5090 is a $300 product.

Going back in time, if we look at ten years ago, the 980 had an MSRP of $549. Which is equivalent to about $720 today. Go back further to 2008 and the 8800 Ultra was $829, or over $1200 today. So there's been significant price inflation, but these top end cards have always been expensive and now have the pressure of AI demand and corporate greed on top of it.

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DanWillHor@reddit

No, I meant during the pandemic. I sold a ton of them and many were going at those kind of markups.

Exactly, even if they wanted more there's only so much more allocation that they can get from tsmc since they have other customers too and there's a finite amount of chips that can be produced within a fab and judging by the 10 years it can take to create a high capacity fab there no expansion anytime soon.

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Ignore-Me_-@reddit

They're not limiting supply on RTX cards to increase profits on them.

When will you people learn that prices go up? They're better cards, regardless of what you think.

It's like bitching that a Toyota Corolla 2025 is more expensive than a 2000 Corolla adjusted for inflation, off the lot. Like ya?

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anotherwave1@reddit

This is wrong.

Every two years better processors would come out. You would get better performance for the same price. It's been like that for decades. I know, I've been buying processors for decades.

That's still occurring.

But with graphics card that has changed. The price/performance bump is decreasing. To such a state that it's almost disappearing. There are a variety of factors behind this. It's quite likely, this gen, we may see no price/performance increase in terms of raw performance with certain cards.

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AlmostButNotQuiteTea@reddit

Ahhh the constant circle of

"Hey I'm getting a GPU"

Wait until xx70, they drop in a few months

"I waited for xx70 and now they're OOS/Expensive, what's gives?1?1"

Wait a few months price will go down"

"I'm looking to buy xx70 prices have gone down"

Wait to buy next generation few month"

Zmaikkeli@reddit

4070Ti msrp is what, 699€ and yet we still can’t get one under 1000€ even though they are in stock in most places

AMD’s 9070 launch looking mighty tempting if all goes well

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FailbatZ@reddit

Cards that aren’t being produced anymore are rising in price? Maybe that implies low supply

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Zmaikkeli@reddit

Not rising as much as never available for msrp to begin with. It’s market manipulation basically, ever since the krypto boom gpus have been overpriced and in ”low” supply to keep prices high. How come 10 and 20 series cards were in abundance at retailers like a month after launch while 40 series is still in ”low” supply 2 years later? I got a 1070 two months after launch on impulse for 30€ off msrp lol

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saruin@reddit

LTT disagrees:

But also, we had reasonable expectations that the 5080 would provide a sizeable uplift and would not have serious supply constraints.

The part about previous gens getting cheaper is always false, though. Nvidia just discontinues them.

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TastyBroccoli4@reddit

Where did that "reasonable expectations" come from? According to the leaked specs it was expected that the cards would not bring a huge performance uplift, and anyone thinking the freshly released RTX cards would be readily availabe at MSRP are delulu

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-Glittering-Soul-@reddit

They came from the 1080, 2080, 3080, and 4080.

And I did not suggest an expectation that the cards would be "readily available." I am saying that the current supply constraints were unexpected. Based on the reporting from Gamers Nexus, even Nvidia did not expect it to be like this. GN heard that Nvidia was hampered by some flaw in the design that was discovered very late, which delayed production into the Chinese new year.

And since they order all their GPUs from TSMC, and TSMC's production schedule is tightly packed, Nvidia can't just ramp up to make up for lost time. They can only operate within the manufacturing time that they have reserved. TSMC has many big-ticket contracts with other partners that it must tend to. A production delay has a cascading effect.

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gatornatortater@reddit

They should be putting all their production effort into the new designs. If they were able to meet demands with the newer stuff then it would cause the used market to be more affordable than it is.

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FrenchyMcfrog@reddit

So prices won’t normalize in a few months?

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FailbatZ@reddit

The reason is that shop X is 20$ cheaper than shop Z, so Shop Z will go 20$ cheaper than shop X and it will rinse and repeat until we are close to MSRP.

By your logic food would cost hundreds of dollars because people are willing to pay the prices, since starving isn’t really an alternative…

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FrenchyMcfrog@reddit

There is competition in food, different producers for the same exact final product. So no monopoly, they compete with price/ packaging/advertising etc.

Nvidia is basically alone in that market (high performance cards) they do as they please.

Such a terrible analogy you decided to chose.

FrenchyMcfrog@reddit

So its not a question of stock, it only is in the beginning. Its just a question of what people are willing to pay. And ofc the shitty competition helps in that regard a lot

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whomad1215@reddit

can you point to a 5070ti that's actually released?

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AvailableStatement97@reddit

It's not irrelevant it's the equivalent card from a few gens back. Before gpu prices went completely batshit. The relevance is pretty clear to be honest...

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whomad1215@reddit

BaCk In My DaY

So much more goes into a 5070ti than a 10, after a small amount of time passes it’ll dip to 1000 probably.

Shit ide almost be scared to install a 1300 dollar video card, the creeks make me paranoid

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AncefAbuser@reddit

What calculator are you using? FE 1070 Ti was 449 at launch, that is 581 dollars today. Nvidia on the FE side is boning you for less than 200 dollars above what you THINK the modern version should cost.

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thatissomeBS@reddit

Also, the 5070ti is about 150% better than the 1070ti. Today, the 1070ti would be a solid 1080p or sub-par 1440p card, whereas the 5070ti is a great 1440p card or even a good 4k card. The naming convention has remained the same, but that's it, the cards are completely different.

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karmapopsicle@reddit

Assuming by “150% better” you mean about 2.5x better in raw rasterization performance, I think you’re still off by quite a bit. The 5070 Ti should be in the realm 3-3.5x the 1070Ti (or “200-250% better”) there.

Ok, again. If we go by the framework I mentioned:

1060- 2016

2x 1060 (1080 ti)- 2019

2x 1080 ti (4070)- 2022

2x 4070 (4090)- 2025

Give or take. If things advanced like in the past, we would be getting WAY more GPU by now. We should be at 8x 1060 performance for $300ish.

Okay? So let's not go "well ackshully this $700 card from 2018 is now a $400 card in 2025". No, it's still too expensive.

Stop defending multi billion dollar corporations ripping you off.

Also:

The 2060 was a 40% improvement overt he 1060, then the 3060 was a minor 10% or so increase, but the 4060 is like a 30% jump over the 3060. The 1060 was $299 at release, the 2060 was $349, the 3060 was $329, and the 4060 is back to $299. More value than ever.

lol wtf? The 2060 was a $350 card, it cost just shy of what the 1070 cost and released the 1660 ti as the actual 1060 successor. It was 35% better.

Then with the 3000 series they made the 3060 ti $400 and the 3060 $330. Both too expensive. They released the 3050 for $250 and it was a 1660 ti with ray tracing basically.

Then the 4000 series FINALLY came down to where we should've been by at most 2020...in 2023. So 3 years late, and we only got that because of AMD finally offering a decent 1060 replacement at the end of 2022 for <$300 with the 6600 and 6650 XT type cards. So they HAD to react because they couldnt just sell cards for $350 that AMD was selling for $200-250. So they released for $300, still putting an nvidia tax on it, and 30%? Really? The 4060 was only like 15-20% better than the 3060. it even lost in some scenarios due to less VRAM.

Like, again, stop playing these weirdo moving the goalpost games. Your arguments are so laughably dishonest i dont wanna deal with this crap.

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thatissomeBS@reddit

Dude, I'm not the one jumping all over. I can't even tell what you're trying to say with this post, other than cards too expensive. There have been solid improvements at every step, and the price on the lower end in particular have mostly stayed the same. And I straight up acknowledged that the 3060 was the big miss of the group. If the upcoming 5060 is another 30% increase, it will be 3080ti performance, and if that happens for the same $299-349, that will be great value once again. Shit, you have me out here standing up for nvidia when I've never owned an nvidia card, because you think you should be able to buy a 4060 with 3090ti performance for $199 or something.

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JonWood007@reddit

The 2060 and 3060 were both bad buys coming from the 1060. Because both cards were priced like 70 cards, not 60 cards.

The 4060 is just barely acceptable, and the 3060 finally came down to what it should've launched at anyway. Thanks AMD. Because they reduced their prices first and set the standard.

step1makeart@reddit

Then can you point to a 5070ti that isn't overpriced?

If you steal it you get 100% discount as well.
Just saying gif

Insane demand, plus shortage in stock, equals crazy prices. But let’s be honest modern day nvidia and their partners will find a way to shank your wallet one way or another without the circumstances.

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Loupojka@reddit

yes. NVIDIA knows that too, which is why this price is inflated. Demand from 3rd parties is driving the prices up, not the tag on the card. If you want it cheaper, just gotta wait.

I recently upgraded my 1070 to a 3070 and it’s been great. highly recommend 3000 series.

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xXx_0_0_xXx@reddit

Just got 3090 used last week. I love it!!! 3000 series is great.

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Alert-Cranberry7991@reddit

My 3080 has been great at even 4k gaming for me! Really just depends on the person. Latest and greatest isn’t usually the best value

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Rabiesalad@reddit

It's not changing any time soon. I agree with you, the prices are ridiculous. If I were buying a brand new GPU today, I'd be voting with my wallet and buying AMD. Nvidia has a stranglehold on the consumer GPU market, it may as well be a monopoly. Above around $1000, it IS a monopoly; they have no competition.

Lemme put it this way. 15 years ago, I thought paying $500 for a top tier GPU was insane. The obvious price/performance was around the $200-300 mark.

12 years ago, I thought paying $700 for a 780 ti was insane.

I also thought that paying $1000 for a titan was insane.

7 years ago, I thought the RTX 2000 price hikes were insane. $350 for a 60 card? $1000 for the flagship? Are they insane?!

5 years ago I thought people paying pandemic pricing was insane. At least for gaming. If crypto really was the money printer it was framed as maybe people could make more money than the card was worth.

2 years ago, I thought the 4000 series pricing was insane. $500-800 for 70 cards?! $1000-1200 for 80 cards? $1600 for a 90 card? Are they insane?

So of course I look at this now with $1300 for a 70 ti and $2000+ for a 5090 and think it's insane.

Because I'm still back in 2010 mentally thinking spending $500 for the high end is somewhat insane, and that GPUs should cost $200-300 for something decent. Even with inflation, I think spending upwards of $400-500 for 60 cards is insane. I think the 4060 is like borderline acceptable, but even then not really. Like the entire sub $300 market for nvidia and $200 market for AMD is basically dead. Like they dont even make GPUs and if you buy something below say, $180, you're getting years old garbage light years behind those $200 cards. It's a joke. You go from $100-200 in pricing and you multiply what kind of power you get by a favor of like 4-8x (going from 1030 to 6600 for like 8x here).

The market is broken, nvidia has a monopoly and is taking everyone for a ride, AMD is barely competing, and forums are full of wealthy yuppies who seem to have bottomless disposable incomes who buy this crap while laughing that everyone who cant afford it is poor and should gtfo of PC gaming.

This madness is why I have a 6650 with no plans to change.

Most modern games are well enough made that they still tend to look pretty good at lower settings.

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pruchel@reddit

Prices haven't made sense at all since the 20 series. And I haven't bought anything :P

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Winter_Pepper7193@reddit

wait ten years, buy the card or something similar a lot cheaper

problem solved

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Ib_dl@reddit

People complained about the 3070ti being 550. What a time to be alive

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Background-Sale3473@reddit

Yes you are the only one.

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Taeyjun@reddit

The price for those cards are just insane. I'm probably one of those guys who just want to enjoy gaming without setting everything to ultra max settings. For me I try to find the balance between price-performance and would go with the cheaper option.

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RoidRidley@reddit

are amd's driver so bad?

I'll speak as an almost life long AMD owner - there have been rough ones, but they are in a good state right now. I run into issues sometimes with re-live ( the replay/recording) and a few time out crashes but nothing major.

I had a 6650XT until about a month ago, and I had some issues with it, but oddly enough, running a 7700XT on the SAME drivers...the issues pretty much melted away.

Can't say that's a definitive be all end all on drivers but truly I do not think Drivers are going to be a deal breaker on AMD gpus, but your mileage may vary.

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DDisired@reddit

Maybe not drivers, but software on AMD's side is still lacking.

Is a working GPU out of the box a scam? The cards are priced relative to their demand - for both companies. Nvidia charges more because the market values them more.

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SalamenceFury@reddit

Is a working GPU out of the box a scam

Just an fyi, but they have, allegedly, released drivers that bricked cards 😅

I'm a complete Nvidia fanboy btw, so this isn't a team red biased reprisal. I have been running team green permanently since 900 series, and am particularly a fan of dlss upscaling and RT (maybe not so much a fan of frame gen, but I am intrigued by the 50 series solution to frame gen latency, Reflex 2.0, using an AI assisted sort of asynchronous space warp, which if it's as good as claimed would convert me to being a frame gen supporter)

Ironically, 24.12.1 is kinda busted for me right now but usually they're perfectly fine.

Every feature works fine, frame gen, upscaling, hardware scaling, whatever, but Adrenaline is just not running like 95% of the time.

nipple_salad_69@reddit

that's a great question, vr does definitely provide a lot of immersion, but for consistency in racing and just plain comfort, triples really take the lead.

ass far as gaps go, my monitors are arranged where the side monitors' bezels are overlapped by the center monitor, thus resulting in only one visible bezel,(which is very thin already) and much like how your nose is in your view, your mind completely ignores it.

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ImYourDade@reddit

Then wait for all the hysteria to be gone and prices to stabilize, you don't need to build PCs with 50 series cards in them if you do it as a hobby

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nipple_salad_69@reddit

Don't make assumptions, I have a tiple 4k display setup, I actually need a top of the line GPU.

My hobby is enthusiast PC builds.

Prices haven't 'stabilized' since 2020, and it's lookin' like they won't any time soon.

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iDEN1ED@reddit

My hobby is enthusiast PC builds.

So your hobby is spending a shit ton of money and then you complain it's expensive. Ya you might need a new hobby man...

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ImYourDade@reddit

Couple things, I didn't really make any assumption in my post? And you said PC building was a hobby, not using said PC that you built. You implied that building new PCs was what your hobby was, and that does not require high end gpus, even if you're flipping them for profit.

Also what does fully utilizing 3 4k displays entail? What GPU can use them in a way that others can't?

I had to pay 2k for my 3080 ti to a scalper

Ive been waiting for 5+ years for prices to stabilize and they haven't. Yes, you can buy several generations old hardware and its much more affordable compared to new on a pure dollar cost basis. but guess what happens after 3+generations of massively inflated MSRP prices? the "several generations old hardware" is now ALSO massively inflated, as used hardware. There are literally 3000 series cards regularly selling for the MSRP they launched at on ebay right now.

Just look at the housing market. Is a 60 year old house cheaper than a 6 year old house? yeah absolutely, by an order of magnitude. but a 60 year old house, 20 years ago, even adjusted for inflation, was like 5x cheaper than the current day 60 year old house.

Because of the huge demand and lack of supply, the 6 year old house is exploding in price. that eventually trickles down to the 60 year old house when the market is fucked for long enough. GPUs are heading that way, in a more tech timescale.

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Palafin84@reddit

Ive been waiting for 5+ years for prices to stabilize and they haven't

Blame crypto bros. They literally destroyed the market twice, but the second time they were able to blame something else since it coincided with all the problems COVID brought. Then just when you think the market might go back bam "AI" becomes massive. The thing is and why I say Blame Crypto bros is because the GPU makers saw that they could have stupid high prices and some schmucks would buy them anyway, thus the prices haven't gotten down in price.

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Sandwich247@reddit

I was thinking way way way back when - back when I got a 960 that was a good bit better than a GTX480 (a card that was only 5 years older than it) and it cost me a good 2/3rds less than what the 480's MSRP was

I later upgraded to a 1080 believing that in a mere 5 years time, I'd get a card that was about 50% better than it for less than 50% of the price, but good golly goodness how wrong I was

I only replaced the 1080 last year because I won a free graphics card in an online competition, I don't want to replace an old used graphics card with a slightly less old and used graphics card

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Rainbowlemon@reddit

The 960 was SUCH a good upgrade for the price. Really wish they'd bring that kind of affordability back.

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External_Produce7781@reddit

The house “analogy” was the most braindead bad example you could have picked. It isnt valid at all. Older houses are not magically cheaper just because they are older. Only if they are in bad shape/need a ton of work, which is NOT a given or even particularly common

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TateEight@reddit

Yes but no price depreciation means your purchase also doesn't depreciate

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TateEight@reddit

I was much more willing to buy an MSRP 5080 knowing that I'll probably be able to get 2 years out of it and still sell it for $750-800 before the 60 series is out

That feels like a good deal to me

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ImYourDade@reddit

Nothing you said was really that wrong, but not even 6 months ago I was able to help 4 separate people build PCs with 4070tis/4080s in them at MSRP. I get that shits wild right now and has been for a while, and probably will be for a while. But it stops. A 5 year old GPU does not have the same value when compared to an old house.

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More like 2018 — the 1000 series was the last generation of Nvidia GPUs that was reasonably priced. The 3000 series was a slightly better deal than the 2000 series actually, but it was still shit… and then they lost their fucking minds with the 4000 series.

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GTHell@reddit

No, There was a huge drop after the ETH mining drop but slowly climbed back up. I bought a RTX 3070 for $200 3 years ago and that is not the cheapest one.

Now the same RTX 3070 I have sold for $220 which mean the price isn't going down. But I trade up for 3090 because I want more vram.

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Brawndo_or_Water@reddit

1999*

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Well they 100% definitely are the better buy for the money to be fair. Just look at the rx 6600 xt was a banger compared to the rtx 3060 ti but unfortunately nvidia out sold it times 10.

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Fluffy_Tumbleweed533@reddit

Yeah and it's honestly sad they sell. Wasn't xx70 always sub 400 for the performance of last gens flagship? Example the gtx 970 was $350 and it was gtx 780ti level of performance.

The old days are gone now.... it's unfortunate.

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Hopeful-Session-7216@reddit

That’s why it’s second richest company in the world.

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Xaetik@reddit

To be fair, the prices are high yes. But Nvidias prices are way lower. It’s those resellers that sell it for way higher and the consumers that buy for those prices.

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ExistentialRap@reddit

If people buying them, not really.

The 1080ti one of the best cards ever made and its generations "5090". Even adjusted for inflation would be around 914$ in todays money.

“On average, TITAN is 35% faster than our flagship single-GPU graphics card, the GeForce GTX 680, but as our benchmark data shows game performance can increase by up to 85% at 2560x1600.”

From the original announcement on nVidia’s web page. It was marketed as a gaming GPU.

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errorsniper@reddit

average

Nvidia could pump out more cards but they have no reason to, their main market is AI chips and they have sole monopoly. Both companies are shit and love milking it, imo nintendo is probably worse.

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MTPWAZ@reddit

Exactly. This first year is for whales and people with no common sense. Next year the rest of us eat.

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Warm-Interaction477@reddit

Whales? Dawg these products are simply not marketed towards broke 21yo college freshmen who whine on Reddit. Get over yourself.

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Brevard1986@reddit

They're not marketed to the people who can afford them but can see a laughably bad deal.

But upgrading to anything from 1060 is a MASSIVE upgrade anyway, so bear in mind that even if you can find 6950XT somewhere, that would make an insane upgrade to your GPU.

I bought my GTX 970 for $258 new after tax, and thought it was expensive but worth it back then.

GPU prices are extremely fucked.

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wheresthebouldering@reddit

Rocking a 3080ti now, I swear when it kicks the bucket (hopefully at least 4-5yrs more of use) I will be going AMD.

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T_Gracchus@reddit

It’s the opportunity costs for Nvidia that are the problem. Until the AI bubble pops almost every single chip their selling to gamers is a chip that could’ve been sold at a higher price to a company trying to strike gold with AI.

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CallmePepperoni@reddit

Buy a second hand 4090 instead

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Warskull@reddit

are amd's driver so bad?

Depending on the game, kind of. World of Warcraft has crashing issues on the 7000 series that are caused by AMD drivers. It took them forever to release a driver update the update didn't fix it for everyone.

Most games don't have problems, but some will. If you don't play a game with problems the card will seem fine. If you play one of the games with problems it will be frustrating because the fix may never come.

Also sometimes you get drivers where a certain GPU just gets screwed and ends up being unstable for a long time. The 5700 XT for example had a terrible launch and took over a year before it got stable.

Sometimes the experience is great, my 580 was awesome. Sometimes the experience is bad enough to make you buy a new GPU. I had a 260X that had tons of problems that were caused by issues between the driver and the motherboard. AMD never got it fixed.

Honestly, AMD is a roll of the dice.

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lethargic_mosquito@reddit

Why bother with upgrades, most games are coming out unoptimized AF, they'll run like shit either way

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camilatricolor@reddit

Yes it is absurd. That's why I will keep my 2070 super until it dies. I have an ultrawide 1440p monitor and usually get around 70fps in medium for the latest games.

No way I'm paying +1k for a new card

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UrbanAnathema@reddit

And you don’t need to. This social media obsession with the top end being the only things that ever matter is the problem.

A 4060 can be had for $300. It will play any game you throw at it with at least PS5 level graphical fidelity or better.

The PC gamer market has exploded since the 1000 series. Market forces have radically changed. I don’t like it, but it’s reality.

Today’s entitlement to “the best” is off the charts.

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Danny__L@reddit

It only matters if you care about it.

If you're fine with your games running at 60-120fps at PS5 level graphics, then more power to you.

Many people simply want their games to look better and run smoother than that, so the market exists for better hardware.

Not everyone is going pro in video games, but competitive eSports games have exploded in popularity since the 1000-series. And in those games, more frames+better performance makes it easier to be better at the game.

I think that's where the obsession with the top end specs comes from these days.

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UrbanAnathema@reddit

This is very much my point.

The market indeed exists. They just don’t like where the market has priced itself at.

So they just bitch and act as if they are being locked out of something they are somehow entitled to.

But if you're someone that only plays casual games and single-player stuff, console is probably good enough.

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ZappySnap@reddit

It’s legitimately why I switched to console. And now I don’t know if I’ll go back. I just really like the experience with my PS5, and even though my PC is still technically more powerful, I game maybe 5% at most on my PC any more.

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Danny__L@reddit

Really depends what games you play. I personally only really play competitive multiplayer shooters so going back to 60-120 FPS when my 4090 rig and 360hz monitor is sitting right there just doesn't feel right.

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pumukidelfuturo@reddit

i don't care. I'm not gonna pay more than 300 dollars for a gpu. Ever.

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Comprehensive-Pea812@reddit

buying new gpu series is pretty insane.

Yeah, you can wait for the next release and buy previous Gen... But guess what! Previous Gen is being sold for 70-80% of the original price on the marketplace and drops further many years after superseded...

That is why I buy nearly top tier every 5-7 years.

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Both-Election3382@reddit

At the moment the prices are a literal x2 and its 100% because of supply and demand. Does not make sense to buy at the moment. A 3070ti also cost 1k during the semiconductor shortage/scalping and prices also went down again after.

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uruhara98@reddit

Well, yeah, 3070 Ti was overpriced x2 and went down but what about 4070? It was the exact opposite. Started at msrp and went +10% until today...

Nevertheless, a few days ago, I managed to get rtx 5080 at msrp so am pretty happy. 100£ cheaper than rtx 4080. I don't think prices will go down in the near future. In fact, if Trump taxes EU and EU fights back, I expect increase.

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Both-Election3382@reddit

Yeah but this batch started at a x1.5 x2 beause theres no supply that the difference. Im pretty sure itl normalize in a few months but your guess is as good as mine.

I just dont want to pay 4k for a 5090 or 2k for a 5080. Then id rather upgrade the rest of my pc and wait for the 60 series to make a bigger leap.

Yeah the tariff war is kind of yikes. I hope they will keep them targeted to stuff we can actually make in the EU. Targeting chips with more tax would be literal suicide.

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uruhara98@reddit

Now that I read the prices again, you were right. In my country, there aren't so many scalpers - people are trying to resell the cards with +100 £, however, if you wait for a week or two, you can get it from store for regular price. Got my 5080 from store for 1200 that way

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Both-Election3382@reddit

That would be a more proper price. Problem is that in the netherlands webshops chose to just dynamically increase prices based on supply so they are essentially scalping. Ive watched it happen on release, prices jumped from 1.2/1.3 to 1.6 then 1.9 and settled at 2k. So the drips of 5080s that come in are always listed for 2k. Thats why i want to believe it will go back to that 1.2/1.3 when they become publicly available.

And no, ill never buy from the shops that steep that low again.

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DerTalSeppel@reddit

I wish more people had this mindset.

Either people value (1) FPS higher, (2) their time and money lower or (3) the need for being latest gen way higher than me/us. I really don't understand it.

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FriendlyEarth778@reddit

just wait for amd gpu launch and see how it goes.

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onebit@reddit

Most people don't need these high-end cards. 3080FE is fine for me at 3440x1440.

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snipekill2445@reddit

Yes, you’re the only person who has ever questioned how expensive nvidia has become

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DingusTardo@reddit

Honestly, looking forward to the Radeon 9070 XT as a reasonable upgrade from my RTX 3090 XC3. I’m not even considering continuing down this pathetic Nvidia rabbit hole of overpriced AI SaaS crap.

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CaptMcMooney@reddit

no, until recently i would have a whole smokin hot machine for less than that.

NinjaLion@reddit

Yeah 2 companies is not a competitive market, its a joke. Easiest shit in the world to rig against consumers. Just like political parties, 2 options is a pathetic state, and a sign that deep change is needed.

Hopeful that Intel keeps improving, at the rate they are going next generation will have an actual x070 competitor for a great price.

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TheAgentPixel@reddit

Having terrible support for vr dlss and no well working control panel made me hate my amd card and I ended up biting the bullet and switching to a Nivida card again

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Minimum-Account-1893@reddit

Everyone seems to be "in love" with their 7900xtx. It's actually the only GPU I see in a daily basis that people are "in love" with.

I have a GPU more powerful than a 7900 xtx that I'm not "in love" with. Sometimes I wish games ran better, and looked better. If I have better raster, way better RT, way better upscaler, I really just can never believe people are actually starting a romantic relationship with their 7900 xtx. I call BS.

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VibeCheckerz@reddit

What can it be better than a 7900xtx which is not a 4090?

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aVarangian@reddit

a 3050 with 20x frame-gen to achieve "4090 performance"

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aVarangian@reddit

it's not perfect, but I got what I paid for and don't have any relevant complaints

I bought mine on release, and judging by the current situation it's still what I'd be buying if I needed a GPU now

Sometimes I wish games ran better

this is only a problem when you got the best GPU in the market, otherwise you could always have bought a tier up but then get reminded of why you didn't in the first place (assuming one did the research/math on the purchasing decision)

and looked better

go 4k, disable TAA, don't use upscalers/FG. That's the best one can do right now

way better upscaler

I don't use it anyway.

way better RT

your 4090 can't do it well enough either, so who cares

I really just can never believe people are actually starting a romantic relationship with their 7900 xtx

with the new CCP AI you can run a cringe character-AI on it, so you better believe it

5070 Ti is actually a 50 Ti or 60 level of card based on Nvidia's own behavior for the last decade.

alittleridiculous93@reddit

Tbh, when the market levels out I might consider buying one and giving my gf my 7900GRE, but I’m more likely to just spend more and get a 4090 at that point tbh

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ldontgeit@reddit

Dont pay that fir a 5070ti, get a 4080super instead

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Yeah man it’s fucked. I have a band new pc build sitting there waiting, except it has no GPU. (It died)

I’m coming from an RTX 3090($2,800 at the time of purchase). I don’t want to downgrade/sidegrade, yet there is nothing available here in Aus for under $3,200 (5080) and I’m not even sure they’re real.

Now the 5070ti pricing is looking meh, it’s starting to make me wish I’d just sold my monitors, not bothered with the new build and stuck with the PlayStation.

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Proper_Reason9732@reddit

Older gamer here, I mean you are paying an insane amount of money for pretty graphics. I still love playing old games which I still think are amazing. Depends how much you value graphics, I think they aren’t that important.

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MetalProfessor666@reddit

Yeah,I was waiting for 5070ti too but after seen the prices went with 4070ti super ,saved at least €450

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Tri343@reddit

Follow the tick tock production cycle.

Buy immediately on a tock improvement, buy a year after on a tick architecture release.

People who purchased a 3080 in 2021 are perfect and won't need an upgrade til the 7000 series. Especially considering the 5080 is only an incremental improvement, on average only a +30fps difference despite being over 1k US dollars.

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DiggingNoMore@reddit

People who purchased a 3080 in 2021 are perfect and won't need an upgrade til the 7000 series.

Good for them, I guess. But I'm coming from a GTX 1080.

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distractal@reddit

Stop buying NVIDIA. Their prices are only that high because they know people will buy them at that price point.

WiseGuye@reddit

Yeah I highly doubt the 5070ti will he 750 USD as well lol.

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megustaleboosties@reddit

Buy a 4070 instead? Probably the best bang for the buck 4000 series card and it's no slouch for being a midrange card.

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Both-Opening-970@reddit

Fuck me, that's almost 200-250€ more than I paid mine 4080s two weeks ago...

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thedarkplayer@reddit

where did you buy it?

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Both-Opening-970@reddit

In Serbia 1130€, on sale lol.

Guess they haven't expected the paper launch.

Ommand@reddit

You obviously aren't, absurd pricing has been the biggest topic in here for years.

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No but you don't really have many choices from team green anyway so...

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septicoo@reddit

2 more generations and we will pay 2000 for xx60

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greggm2000@reddit

Right now, mid-February 2025, is a terrible time to buy a GPU. This is temporary, though. NVidia supply I would think almost has to improve, with how bad it is now, and the issues surrounding the power connector would stop me from personally buying a 5090/5080, if I was in the market to get one. AMD supply isn't great either, but the newer generation RDNA4 cards are right around the corner, with the official announce just 2 weeks from now, and retailers (many which already have stock) being able to sell their cards soon after.

So, I suggest you wait a few weeks and see where things stand. If you need something now, and you mention you can get a 4080 for 1300 Euro, you could do that, despite the awful price.. if you want/need DLSS or other Nvidia features, and you can't wait, then this is probably your best option right now. If you can wait, then maybe get the topmost RDNA4 card, the 9070 XT in a few weeks.. the price will be far cheaper than the 1300 Euro you're talking, and should be a great card.

If you can wait 3 months (I'm not really suggesting that), then by that point, hopefully 5080/5090 supply and prices will be in the realm of "sane"... hopefully.

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shootothrill0@reddit

Is it possible for the PSU to be updated to throttle the power through each pin instead of the GPU? That way, the GPU can stay the same, and the PSU will ensure the safety of the cable.

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iszoloscope@reddit

No, you're insane if you DON'T think that's insane.

I went from a 1080ti to a 6800 XT and if I'll get a new GPU chances are great I'll stick with AMD. I'm simply not going along with this madness, mainly due to Nvidia imo.

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BZJGTO@reddit

are amd's driver so bad? whats the catch that they are selling such a seemingly good Gpu for like half the price..

I was a long time EVGA user, my last red card was an ATI 9800. Supply issues and inflated pricing meant that I never managed to upgrade to an EVGA 3000 series card, then EVGA pulled out of the GPU market, and I left rocking my GTX 1070. Unsatisfied with nVidia's increased prices and decreased RAM, I decided to try out a Radeon card once again with the Sapphire 7900 XT.

And so far, it's been... completely painless. I did make sure to uninstall the nVidia drivers with DDU first, but installation went smoothly, and I haven't run in to any issues. My only real complaints with the card so far is a few games have coil whine when launching them (which I've heard some nVidia cards do as well, but this is the first time I've had a card do it), and FSR 2/3 was too noticeable for me to use, but I didn't buy the card with the intention of relying on any upscaling (and if older cards end up getting FSR 4, it seems to be a significantly improvement).

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BuckeyeBentley@reddit

Well, on the one hand Nvidia can take a wafer from TSM and make gaming cards which don't make them much money (regardless of how expensive they feel as consumers), piss off their shareholders, and gamers bitch and moan about high costs and mediocre improvements... or they can make AI cards that they can sell for FAT STACKS which makes investors happy which makes line go up.

For the foreseeable future I would expect all of this to get worse, not better. At least until the entire world economy isn't based around US tech stocks.

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Juan_Bot@reddit

I bought 5080 for 1450 euro in Estonia, so yeah I wouldn’t spend 1300 for 5070ti

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Aerthas63@reddit

All this chaos makes me so happy with my choice to go for a 4090 when they were readily available. The 5090 is in reality only a minor bump up if you remove the ai gimmicks. Imo it should've been a 4090TI.

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lucavigno@reddit

Since i'm planning to get one of the 9070s, I asked some time ago about amd drivers, and a guy told me that if you have both cpu and gpu from amd windows would mess with the drivers by installing the VGA drivers for the gpu and brick the gpu.

He explained that by disabling the auto features from windows settings you remove a lot of trouble.

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Skulz@reddit

If I can't find cards at msrp will just stick with my 3080. I accept to pay 900-950 euro max for that.

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Hrmerder@reddit

It’s ridiculous and will continue to do so until some of you trash starts actually making smart decisions and not buy this shit. ‘Buhh Nvidia is doing us a favor guhh, they make their money in data center’ that’s not an excuse. AMD isn’t going to come out with some god send of a video card to save humanity. Intel MAY but no matter what AMD is going to chase Nvidias price point minus 5-7 percent.. at least for two weeks till they tank and change the prices like 10 times immediately before and after release. It’s not going to get better if anyone buys this shit. We need a reset and tarrifs aren’t doing any of us any favors either but I’ll leave the politics out of it.

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FullyStacked92@reddit

you're on a 1060, if you have everything else you need for a new build then try and find a cheap second hand 3070 or something. It's still going to be a massive upgrade and you can get a new card when things settle down.

If you want to upgrade now, 7700xt and 7800xt tend to be incredibly cheap. if you specifically want nvidea, I was able to find 3080ti's for 700 euro and 4080 supers for 1100 euro. Avoid the 90's like the plague as all the LLM folk are buying them and driving up the prices massively.

You can also wait for AMD's offer, but I can see it being scalped day 1 aswell.

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lifestrashTTD@reddit

even $1300 5080s are insane.