Has anyone heard of Epic City?
Posted by pakurilecz@reddit | Dallas | View on Reddit | 75 comments
"In case you haven't heard, EPIC masjid in Dallas Texas is launching a new project to create a massive muslim community with over 1000 homes, equipped with a school, commercial outlets, senior living and schools, and a masjid in the middle of the complex. A very ambitious and unheard of plan in the Muslim American space if it can be accomplished."
https://www.reddit.com/r/islam/comments/1amf44l/what_do_you_think_of_epic_city_in_dallas/
ghostofculpeper@reddit
I have no problem with anyone wanting to build and promote community. I do have a problem with segregating communities, especially when revolving around religion or race. Gross
ranchedelia@reddit
I don't think its segregating anyone, anybody is free to live there if they're cool with living side by side with many other Muslims looking for community. Countless other religions have communities like these all over the US. Its your choice to move there, that's the beauty of America.
bootlegger_be@reddit
No, not anybody is free to live in "the epicenter of Islam in America".
Here is one of their policies:
"All members and non-members of EPIC will observe the Islamic Code of Conduct and Ethics in all proceedings and at all times, this includes, during meetings, and programs within EPIC premises and/or offsite EPIC events." https://epicmasjid.org/policies/
Xidig6@reddit
Have you looked into what the Islamic code of conduct and ethics comprises of?
A quick google search would tell you:
“Islamic ethics, rooted in the Quran and the teachings of Prophet Muhammad, emphasizes a comprehensive code of conduct encompassing personal, social, and economic aspects, with core principles like piety, humility, justice, and compassion guiding Muslim behavior.”
Your fear mongering attempts are falling on deaf ears.
ChibaCityStatic@reddit
It's like you're proud of your ignorance. Have you ever cared to look into what's happening in the UK and Europe as a whole? Our society is being fragmented and there's Muslims in positions of power now trying to push far-right Islamic doctrine and values on the the country as a whole. There's entire pockets of Germany, where you can't walk the streets safely as a gay man. And there's people like you just jolly about your own ignorance. It's astonishing. Like, what the hell is going on here?
Xidig6@reddit
I’m a Texan hun, Europe is not my concern.
It’s not muslims ruining my state but Christian evangelists/nationalists. You do understand that they also HATE the LGBT and actively work to revoke their rights here? We got the Y’allqaeda terrorizing us.
ChibaCityStatic@reddit
Ah right so you're in opposition to a backward Christian phycho state which is fair. But then you're in support of an even stricter backwards phycho religion rooting itself in your state after being told in plain English what's happing in Europe. Wtf are you on haha?
Xidig6@reddit
Absolutely not. No one wants extreme versions of Islam here either.
There are moderate peace loving muslims who integrate into our Texan communities very well here. We have freedom of religion and many cultures here, no one culture should try to force their beliefs onto others
ReserveOk8282@reddit
Also taxing other people of the Book because they are not Muslim. There is also that 10% who are more “aggressive” when dealing with with non Muslims.
Art0fTheDeal@reddit
I'm worried about people that identify as LGBTQ
No-Marionberry3613@reddit
Good point haha. All the LGBT people going to palestine rallies should try buying a house here.
EqualIllustrious9633@reddit
lol Islamic code of conduct are HOA laws 😂 Jews have there own neighborhoods and it’s against federal law to discriminate against some based on sex , race, religion etc . Jewish ppl have this in side Dallas and all over America why you only mad when Muslim do it ?
No-Marionberry3613@reddit
Because Jews dont fly planes into the buildings?
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MrZeppy@reddit
This is talking about the mosque… obviously if you enter a mosque you will follow the Islamic code of conduct.
hgghhhjjg@reddit
first bylaw is legit promoting unity “Strive to work in harmony with other Muslim and non-Muslim civic organizations to enhance our collective future.”
ReserveOk8282@reddit
Part of your mortgage goes to the mosque, you have no choice on that part. That is illegal for in the US.
Overall-Rhubarb-6539@reddit
No the thing is they're building it to where they can run it like they do overseas with Sharia law and them in charge that don't work this America you mailed into America you integrate into America you don't build your own country inside of our country that's b* it's also illegal
Hairy_Description709@reddit
Ave Maria Florida, look it up.
Erotic-Career-7342@reddit
bad idea
Distinct_Vast5692@reddit
Look around the world. Do we see peace, harmony, and a friendly integration of this culture with the west? Or, do we see chaos, upheaval, skyrocketing crine and rape, and an imposition of culture upon those areas where they have concentrated themselves forcing locals to relocate and making it unsafe for others to travel through such areas?
Yet, people are entertaining the idea of a massive community concentrated by this ideology.
It seems quite clear that this is just a very bad idea. When I watch the video showing their planned community - so nice and serene, just a place anyone would want to go - and compare that to the current conditions in Europe, I can't help but wonder why they aren't doing that in Europe. If they aren't doing that in Europe, who the hell thinks that is their plan here in Texas.
My question is this: if, hypothetically speaking, they manage to build their city, are all Muslims around the US planning to populate this place or is the plan to import a shit ton of middle easterners from places that are practically 3rd world t stock the city with? And keep in mind, if they are planning to import from the middle east, those people have never experienced life in a community such as what is depicted in their video. They'll be showering in the waterfal and possibly not potty trained. What are the chances this turns out to be such a success?
No, two cultures so far apart from one another. Not interested.
No-Marionberry3613@reddit
Hard agree. I hope people of Texas grow a backbone and oppose the fuck out of it. We are way past point of being political correct. Once this starts it'll grow like cancer.
Distinct_Vast5692@reddit
Yeah, Texas, in a general sense, has a backbone. The problem we have are the major city centers of Dallas, Houston, Austin, and the rural people who believe themselves to be slices off the upper crust because they consider themselves to be 'liberal' in vast swaths of conservative red territories. Mot one of them realize that the term 'liberal' was commandeered away from classical liberals who are today's Republicans. As it turns out, the left ultimately realized that people knew all too well that 'progressivism' wasn't at all progressive and in fact, was just communism by another name. I can't explain the ins & outs of their 'hijacking' of the term 'liberal', but they certainly did it. It is apparent that not a single one today realizes that modern day liberalism is in no way whatsoever liberal in the truest sense of the definition.
I have the worst time making sense of welcoming into one's culture a different culture that holds none of the same values and openly espoused the subverting of that culture. The American left can't even look at Europe and see what Islam is currently doing there - nothing less than actively doing exactly what they seek to do to the US and say so proudly. The American left sings the praises of Islam and actors the virtues of being so welcoming while Islam can't seem to march gay men off the tops of multi story buildings to their deaths fast enough. Of course, if the fall doesn't do the trick, a gun, sword, or stones will complete that objective. There is nothing more mind-boggling than to see US lesbians marching with women of Islam who trash them within their very personal space.
To your point about once it starts, it will grow like cancer - in a very real current day example, it has already started. What has been allowed, today, in NYC, for example, has blossomed into its own law enforcement police squad, of sorts, that I'm pretty sure I've read does its best to enforce sharia law everywhere possible in their 'zone'.
Self-preservation, community-preservation, societal-preservation, national-preservation, western culture-preservation... these are concepts unknown to the American left.
sY20@reddit
This is quite racist considering how involved in the Dallas community Muslims. These contain a high percentage of success working class individuals (lawyers, doctors, engineers), not 3rd world immigrants that don't have access to facilities. You think those people can afford to live in Dallas?
No-Marionberry3613@reddit
It is not racist to oppose this. I'm brown skinned immigrant with curly hair and I would put a wall around it and nuke this. Call this chemotherapy,
Distinct_Vast5692@reddit
Perhaps this will help you to better understand the cause for many concerns and why so many people's natural, in-born response is aimed at self-preservation.
We have seen what they do. We know why they do it and what their desired ends are. This is why so many oppose the idea of this place called Epic City. Does it need to happen here for you to believe it? Would it require something happening as Gabriel describes in the video clip for you to believe that it is a cultural issue and why it is so critical that we not accept the concept of some 'Epic City' coming to fruition and being constructed and developed at our front door?
It isn't racist to highlight reality and to take appropriate measures to protect and defend oneself and culture. That's called wisdom and good foresight.
When a culture openly espouses the death and ruin of your culture and that it has every intention of flying its flag above your Capitol City, it is wise to take heed and take them at their word. They aren't here to play games. They are here to end your way of life. Clearly, they have done it before and are currently doing it elsewhere in Europe.
Just because some have immigrated into the US and have born future generations that are 'Americanized' is no reason to believe or even entertain the idea that those who came from militant Islamic regions, who once wore full body covering robes, travelling across deserts on camels but now wear Chanel and Prada, driving on freeways and interstates in Tesla's and Hondas are any different that what they've always been. You can re-dress a militant individual to look sane and peaceful but you will never pull thst militant culture out of the individual.
The past has always been the best predictor of the future. And we have a plethora of past examples upon which to best determine how to go forward ensuring our safety and longevity. If it makes you feel better, or more virtuous, to disregard reality and those threats upon us, by all means, do. But I think the vast majority of us are much more comfortable treating this as a preventive measure rather than a 'ok, we'll just hope for the best', which 'our best', that culture does not have in mind - they have told us so.
Do I believe that some are good and don't subscribe to these barbaric, culture-destroying ideas? Yes. But that's why they have been 'Americanized' into the west. They too, would be destroyed in the culture war as it was always their purpose to change the publics optics and image of a truly radicalized, murderous culture that is already well underway in achieving their plans to subvert the world and all cultures to create their one world caliphate.
Listen and learn or be willfully ignorant and destroyed. What you choose is your choice to make.
At least listen to one 4 minute experience and see if it sounds like something you'd want to go through...
https://x.com/JesvinGeo/status/1914310255309443537?t=YSgtupmmOlizZ1JBOtWO0A&s=01
sY20@reddit
This is quite racist considering how involved in the Dallas community Muslims. These contain a high percentage of success working class individuals (lawyers, doctors, engineers), not 3rd world immigrants that don't have access to facilities. You think those people can afford to live in Dallas?
Distinct_Vast5692@reddit
Oh, but it's not. It's not racist at all. It's called recognizing real cultural problems where real problems actually exist. It's called not being afraid to voice real concerns about a real threat that very openly and proudly claims that it intends to be the world's premier ideology and will gladly kill everything in it's path at achieving such an objective. It's called self preservation and never being backed down by such a real threat to the world by those who cry 'racism!'. Frankly, I'm surprised it took this long for you to show up.
You completely failed to address anything here (because obviously, you won't find anything but chaos, upheaval, skyrocketing crime and rape and imposition of culture upon others):
Look around the world. Do we see peace, harmony, and a friendly integration of this culture with the west? Or, do we see chaos, upheaval, skyrocketing crine and rape, and an imposition of culture upon those areas where they have concentrated themselves forcing locals to relocate and making it unsafe for others to travel through such areas?
Tell me, what example gives you any reason to believe that a community as this would be any different in Texas than those in Europe? Given everything we see occurring in Europe, do you honestly believe that supporting a community such as this is going to be good for Texans or will it likely present a problem for Texans? And do you recognize when constitutional law and rights are being upended for the purpose of furthering nefarious agendas?
irenedel@reddit
it will be in america and the constitution still applies, folks.
No-Marionberry3613@reddit
Have you been to London England lately? Do you think they did not have constitution?
pakurilecz@reddit (OP)
which part of the Constitution are you referring to? they can build all the housing they want but if they restrict it to muslims only then that violates numerous federal laws
irenedel@reddit
if it is privately owned land they can sell lots to whoever they want
pakurilecz@reddit (OP)
"Housing discrimination, prohibited by the Fair Housing Act, involves unequal treatment in housing based on protected characteristics like race, color, religion, sex, national origin, familial status, or disability. "
https://www.twc.texas.gov/programs/civil-rights/housing-discrimination
https://www.justice.gov/crt/fair-housing-act-1
irenedel@reddit
https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/does-the-federal-fair-housing-act-apply-your-rental-property.html
there are exemptions for religious organizations.
DangItB0bbi@reddit
I’m Muslim. Personally I’m against this, I’m also against this if it was a Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist.
I’m assuming this is a Sunni masjid, which would alienate the other sects of Islam. Where are the masjids for them?
If you want to build a community for Muslims, it’s not built with building a space like this, it’s built by building local 3rd places where Muslims can meet and get along that isn’t just the masjid, can be the masjid, but doesn’t necessarily need to be one. For example, cafes where they cater halal food or a family friend event space. These third spaces also need to be welcoming of non-Muslims to show them that Muslims aren’t bad hombres, we just want to be left alone and follow Abrahamic law.
ThrowRAsomwhere@reddit
If other “sects” of Islam want a masjid they can finance it and build it. I see no reason this community that raised the money can’t build their community how they like. No one is keeping others from building. It’s the US. They are free to fundraise and build for themselves.
I agree and disagree on whether this is building community with non-Muslim America. To a certain point I agree with you. That closing your religion and life away from the bigger community can be othering but at the same time. I can’t go to the grocery store now without half of the women only partially clothed. I don’t want my children around that.
People scream freedom and choice but then have nothing to say when I say that converts in the US are mostly women who want to cover up. Your narrative doesn’t work long term. Look up the numbers yourself if you don’t believe me.
I think Americans have moved away from religion being the guiding principle in their life and when they encounter a people who put their religion above everything they feel a certain way.
Anyone living on American soil has to follow American laws (well I’m not 100% sure about native Americans, but I’m not discussing them here) this community will have to abide American/Texan law. But outside of they the culture will be Muslim yes. And that might make some of yall uncomfortable. If so, don’t go there. Lots of room for others in this HUGE country.
Fun fact in high density orthodox jewish neighborhoods. Appointed judges will defer to Jewish religious laws for Jews seeking justice. Look it up. The only reason this is oooooh no sharia law is cause Islamophobia is profitable and easy to get a rise out of people who feel their own religiosity waning and knee jerk to hating others.
Whole-Photograph7991@reddit
I’m against the Jewish religious law stuff too. And yeah Islam is a huge threat. Islamophobia is just common sense.
pakurilecz@reddit (OP)
" we just want to be left alone"
then why do we see large number of Muslims praying in the streets in Europe and the UK?
2timescharm@reddit
Oh no, prayer? In public? The horror! Clearly there’s a nefarious goal here.
pakurilecz@reddit (OP)
the nefarious goal is to gain control
do a search "muslims praying in street" to see what it looks like
bootlegger_be@reddit
Because they wsnt to spread Islam. Plain and simple.
Executive director of CAIR, the Council on American-Islamic Relations, Nihad Awad introduced in his August 30, 2024 Friday sermon at EPIC a plan to create scholarship for Muslims in the fields of journalism, law, political science, and history. He said that by creating an "army" of 50,000 journalists, lawyers, and members of the academia, who will potentially run for public office, can create 40-50 Muslim members of the U.S. Congress in ten years."
https://www.memri.org/reports/cair-executive-director-nihad-awad-uncommitted-movement-changed-vice-presidents-tone-muslims
pakurilecz@reddit (OP)
yessiree bob. just look at what is happening in the UK, France and Germany
DangItB0bbi@reddit
Idk.
I’m Mexican American, not south Asian or middle eastern.
I couldn’t even tell you what the British Mexicans do over there. What makes you think I know about Muslims in the UK?
I keep to myself, my family, my job, and my community.
pakurilecz@reddit (OP)
"What makes you think I know about Muslims in the UK?"
I dont my reply was to your comment "we just want to be left alone " i provide that as an example of not wanting to be left alone
amir_twist_of_fate@reddit
Will it have Sharia law enforced? Headscarves and beards required? The Jihad will not be televised.
Bright_Bet7692@reddit
The headscarves and beards are something that Muslims abide by. If you’re not Muslims I don’t know why you would have too. And for the shariah law part that’s in the Islamic states where Islam is the establish religion of state. For the rest of us outside of those places, our prophet (peace be upon him) told us to abide by the law of the land we’re in. Epic city is an expansion for the community because the current place is growing at such a large rate. And honestly if they bought the land why can’t they enact laws in their own city.
amir_twist_of_fate@reddit
I think the same applies to the Muslim twisting of the word crusade. It has both positive and negative meanings. The greater jihad is internal, jihad of the pen is externalized in a non- violent way, the jihad of the sword is the use of violence to defend Islam. Defend can be used by self serving Islamic leaders and followers to kill if someone is (in their interpretation of Islam) 'attacking' the faith. Blasphemy is punishable by death even if it only involves words used in non-islamic country. Killing someone for their words should be wrong in any religion or society. So yes jihad can be used out of context and twisted, just crusade can be twisted to only mean attacking Islam. More death has been caused in in the name of God than any other reason in history. No belief system should kill for a disagreement of thought.
pakurilecz@reddit (OP)
"More death has been caused in the name of God"
more death has been caused in the name of Allah - there i fixed it.
pakurilecz@reddit (OP)
many non-muslim women in France have been forced to wear the hijab to avoid harrassment by muslim males. When they say an unveiled woman they consider them to be wh*res
pakurilecz@reddit (OP)
watch the videos. one shows their girls school and it appears all of the girls are wearing the hijab
exhibitlove69@reddit
To be fair, most Islamic schools require hijab to be worn during school hours like a uniform but many students don’t wear the hijab outside of that time. I’ve seen most of my students’ hair at some point. Lol. Even one of the sheikh’s daughters choses to not wear hijab and nobody cares because it’s her choice. I would only assume, as it should be with actual sharia law (not the warped and wrong version used by extremists), any student would wear hijab at school and inside the masjid but be free to wear whatever they wanted outside or in their home.
Separate-Maize-1369@reddit
None of this would be a problem, but Islam always tries to establish laws in place of the locations current laws. They are destroying Europe.
exhibitlove69@reddit
That’s not how Sharia Law works.
Separate-Maize-1369@reddit
Sharia law indicates that it is above all other law.
exhibitlove69@reddit
Because it is most important in regard to faith. But that doesn’t mean it supersedes the law of the land in which someone lives.
Separate-Maize-1369@reddit
There are no go areas all over Europe. These areas are ruled by Sharia law. Anybody can find these areas with research.
The US is coming to its senses and is on the path to realizing how destructive Islam has become.
A good example of the craziness of Sharia law is that it is impossible for a Muslim man to rape a non Muslim woman. The person is considered an infidel and statutes against rape do not apply.
ranchedelia@reddit
oh no! you cant see their hair! its not like you have a choice or anything...
DirectorBusiness5512@reddit
People in Fairview threw a shitfit over a single Mormon temple being proposed. I doubt this will go over well anywhere.
pakurilecz@reddit (OP)
There the problem was with the height of the spire. Similar pushback occurred when a Mormon temple was built near the Aerobics Center on Preston Rd
Kennygwhiz@reddit
Wonder how they’ll react when a Jewish family wants to buy a house there.
pakurilecz@reddit (OP)
or any other non-Muslim family
DangItB0bbi@reddit
Non-Sunni family
pakurilecz@reddit (OP)
Shias
DangItB0bbi@reddit
No. There’s more than just two sects of Islam. Even within Sunni and Shia, there are sects within there.
Fun fact, most Islamic terrorism is done by a certain sect within Sunni Islam.
pakurilecz@reddit (OP)
Sunni and Shia are the majority sects
DangItB0bbi@reddit
Correct, and there’s a local random sect masjid in Carrollton. Pretty big actually. Right across the highway from Park’s coffee.
But again, even then, I don’t know what branch of thought EPIC is. For within Sunnis, there are branches of thought, and there are sometimes issue between branches of thought that cause issues.
ranchedelia@reddit
stay pressed about a hypothetical situation
samz22@reddit
I remember watching this Netflix documentary on this Indian guru who did a similar thing in some mid west area. If I remember correctly dude had the biggest rolls Royce collection.
pakurilecz@reddit (OP)
"Amassing a fleet of 74 luxury cars, however, makes perfect sense to the disciples of Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh, the Indian mystic who takes daily drives around the 64,229-acre Oregon ranch bought by his followers in 1981."
https://www.oregonlive.com/rajneesh/1985/07/rajneesh_followers_amass_fleet.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rajneesh
Greenmantle22@reddit
Give it two hours before some local makes a bomb threat to the zoning commission.
Christians build stuff like this all the time. Hasidic Jews have a few entire communities in upstate New York. It's not unheard of.
But these people aren't Christians or Jews, so they won't be permitted the same rights. Expect denials.
Anon31780@reddit
Delays and denials, and when the lawyers finally get those roadblocks cleared, expect hate crimes and atrocities that we haven’t seen in …
checks watch
… minutes.
pakurilecz@reddit (OP)
another video about the project
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6cGCZzyI7Q
JDM_TX@reddit
I heard there's an old compound down by Waco they can buy...
ranchedelia@reddit
Nice, Dallas needs more community.
unexpected@reddit
Yes, heard of it. probably a bad idea.