The Best RTX 5090.... MSI Suprim Liquid SOC Review

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ttyttyq@reddit

The biggest problem with these liquid cards is Nvidia forces a minimum fan speed of 30%. so you have 3 x 120mm running at +1000rpm as your minimum. kind of defeats the purpose, unfortunately.

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Texas1010@reddit

Couldn’t you just hook the fans directly to your motherboard and set them on their own fan curve?

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ttyttyq@reddit

The fans on the Suprim have a proprietary connector. Not sure about other cards though.

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crawler54@reddit

as i recall my 4090 liquid suprim has standard fan connectors, in fact i swapped out the fans for thick 30mm fans, and i even tested a push-pull config with it.

you are saying that's not easily possible with the 5090 version?

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ttyttyq@reddit

Yeah, they must have changed it for the 50-series unfortunately.

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Have not watch the video yet, but mine MSI 4090 suprim liquid does not do that. Instead it actually forces the Zero Fan setting which I have to overwrite with afterBurner to force fan speed at 30% min because my PC is on 24/7

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PCGamingEnthusiast@reddit

I hate the 4090 model as well. It's quieter than the case fans and easily movies just as much air through the radiator. Having a positive pressure system makes it work even better. It's pretty much dead silent.

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Superb-Metal-5292@reddit

why do you hate it? It sounds like you are speaking positively about it after you state you hate it lol.

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PCGamingEnthusiast@reddit

I got a 4090 Suprim Liquid that scores in the top 1% for all 4090 GPUs paired with 7800X3Ds and is in the top 2% when compared to 4090s paired with 9800X3Ds whenever running the Steel Nomad 12DX benchmark.

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PCGamingEnthusiast@reddit

Even I was confused at first. I was thinking, "why the hell would I type that?" When I type hae it wants to auto-correct to hate.

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PCGamingEnthusiast@reddit

Auto correct. It was supposed to be "have"

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PCGamingEnthusiast@reddit

In my experience with the 4090, you can change it using Afterburner. It's also pretty quiet as the AIO works well and the default curve isn't aggressive enough for things to get loud.

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web-cyborg@reddit

Why aren't you gaming 24/7 with a $3000 gpu. 😜

They do keep the heat out of the case better, especially compared to some of the 5000 series hsf designs that port fan output into the case onto other components.

You could also swap the stock fan's to better ones, (and you could control them yourself separately if you really wanted to).

1000 rpm is only 30 dBA on a radiator with good fans. Radiator designs can vary, though, and cases, and how close you keep your case with or without barriers, etc. can vary, too.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/50/Chicago_Pride_Parade_1985_033.jpg

https://tpucdn.com/review/phanteks-t30-120-fan/images/noise-1000.png

0 dB - The softest sound a person can hear with normal hearing 
10 dB - Normal breathing 
20 dB - Leaves rustling, a ticking watch
30 dB - A whisper
40 dB - Refrigerator hum, a quiet office
50 dB - Moderate rainfall 
60 dB - Normal conversation, dishwashers
70 dB - Vacuum cleaners, traffic
80 dB - Police car siren, a noisy restaurant 
90 dB - Hairdryers, blenders, power tools
100 dB - Motorcycles, hand dryers
110 dB - Nightclubs, sporting events
120 dB - Thunder, concerts, a jet plane taking off
130 dB - Jackhammers, ambulances
140 dB - Fireworks, gunshot

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TheMightyBunt@reddit

Furthermore, the loudness will entirely depend on how close you are to your system, and if you have a glass vs mesh sidepanel. AND also many people's homes have a noise floor that is likely near or higher than 30dB. I'd argue that it is MORE disruptive to hear fans TURN ON than to have a constant low hum.

Zero RPM mode for "quiet operation" is faff. If you care about it

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usctrojohn@reddit

Glass is better for quietness I assume?

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ThePresident44@reddit

The point is that you can‘t actually control the fans. NVIDIA overrides whatever you put in and forces 30% as a minimum if you are above 0-RPM temps

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IshTheFace@reddit

Since when? I can use Fan Control (the very uninspiring name of a certain fan control software) on my 2080ti.

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ThePresident44@reddit

Using it on my 30-series and 40-series card I can control what happens above 30% but the 30% floor thing is a known issue

https://github.com/Rem0o/FanControl.Releases/wiki/Nvidia-30%25-and-0-RPM

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web-cyborg@reddit

30 dBA, even if it requires 3rd party fan swap to get that noise level at 1000rpm, is rated as a "whisper", so for most people, and for most people it being amongst other already running case fans, cpu HSF fan(s)/cpu AIO fans, and psu fan, etc. this shouldn't be an issue, especially if the case isn't next to your head.

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You could theoretically control such fans yourself on a digital controller or knobbed one though, taking them off of the board's power entirely. I've done that before. You'd have to be religious about cranking it up when gaming or other stress though, and keeping good gpu temp monitoring software up and visible would be important too, for example, on a secondary screen or other display type. Some monitoring software can even set off alarms at different temperature thresholds. There are also thermal sensors you can buy to tie into monitoring systems for overall cooling profiles. The gpu itself would probably throttle if you didn't turn the fans up quite enough under load. The pump would still have to be fully powered of course. I did this before years ago with 1080ti sc cards in sli that I DiY AiO'd with nzxt AiO brackets. I had 3rd party fans on radiators on both sides in a push+pull configuration, with the fans connected to their own controller that I monitored rather than the gpu molex connector.

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For the extremely silent minded: You could also use fiber display cables (and a fiber usb-c cable to a hub),. These would allow for much longer runs, so would allow you to keep your case in a different area. That's really the best way to get a zero noise pc room, keep the pc in a different room entirely, like a basement storage room, attic area with forced air heating/AC in it, etc. Then you can crank any fan you want and get cooler performance instead of trying to do a high wire balancing act between noise and performance, and having to suffer whispers to whooshes in your pc room even with the best fans and cooling. The only comparison between a non-passively cooled pc to remote pc case is when your pc is turned off. Modern motherboards have a lot of remote power, reboot, wake functions, lan control, and remote control via software on phones, etc. capability, so it's more functional than ever do use a pc case remotely.

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web-cyborg@reddit

Looking at posted pictures like the one below, if you put a big triple fan 5090 on a vertical riser and ported it directly out of the side of a case it would look a lot like a AiO already, lol.

Configurations where the gpu ports hot air *into* the case itself would be more problematic compared to AiOs and loops though, because (particularly, with the pc under load) - all of the other case fans would have to work harder (and louder) to exhaust heat from inside of the more heated case compared to AiOs that transfer the heat through water lines out of side panel radiators. That and, some 5000 series designs blow hot hair directly onto other components.

https://i.imgur.com/SMh8nUC.jpeg

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ElectronicAd7916@reddit

Mine doesn't do that

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IshTheFace@reddit

You could just use "fan control".

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advester@reddit

Steve is straight to the point: this is the best 5090 you could buy, if you could buy it, but you can't, please watch the video anyway.

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evilturnip@reddit

it's pretty much in stock everywhere now at the cheapest it's been.

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BeatBoxBrolly@reddit

This video stats are fake. Steve is not direct and lies/misleads thruout all of it.

The stress test and benchmark are all fake. The RT and AI cores are turned off enabling those crazy high mhz, in practice that won't be the user experience.

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hendrikp@reddit

Those MHz figures are not fake. I have not put much effort in and MSI Afterburner basic OC values are +1250Mhz vram and +300MHz on core and it was around 3115MHz on the core while gaming. Default clocks were around 2830-2850MHz core. Runs really cool around 50-55c on the core while gaming and 9800x3d is around 42-48c. The gpu aio is in push pull front intake and cpu aio is in top exhaust config. Side mesh on the Fractal Terra is blowing air on the memory and components (those got hot without it, moving the m2 away from the slot just above the gpu near the memory worked also well to control that m2 temp).

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BeatBoxBrolly@reddit

Yeah, that's with 1/3 of the chips turned off. You don't and can't get those numbers with all cores running

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Lacking_The_Time@reddit

Source?

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DOOGLAK@reddit

Does this do anything to mitigate the melting cables?

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dfv157@reddit

nope

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Dramion@reddit

I was lucky and was able to buy the card on day one at the $2499 price.

I'm using the 3.18.AS01 bios on the motherboard Asrock Taichi along with the latest AMD drivers. I have a 9800x3d and 64 GB of ram at CL28 timings.

I recently noticed that the card is clocking well over the performance boost of 2580 Mhz. While playing Avowed, the card clocks over 3,000 mhz. I have to use Afterburner to downclock the card by -150 mhz, which gets me around 2760 mhz, and so far, so good. No more crashing.

Sometimes, the card would only clock up to 780 Mhz after a crash. A DDU seems to resolve that, at least.

Is anyone having this problem on other cards, even the 5080s? It seems odd that the card is clocking itself over the base of what MSI has listed it as.

The curve on MSI Afterburner Beta goes up over 3000 for 1.110v which looks like the highest voltage it can do.

Crashing: The screen will go black and the computer becomes unresponsive. I can still heard sound though.

Running the new Steel Nomad 3dmark test the cards mhz only goes to 2580 Mhz which seems accurate based on the specs of the card. Games though, push the card to 2800+ Mhz.
3dmark(Steel Nomad) - 600w - 2580 mhz
games - 330w - 2700+ mhz

It seems off to me.

Will be checking the silent BIOS.

Troubleshooting

DDU drivers
No Nvidia app running
No MSI Afterburner running

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AlaskanLaptopGamer@reddit

My 4090 SLX boosts higher and takes a higher overclock. I got a golden sample for sure. In the top 1% of 3DMark Steel Nomad scores, and it's in the top 2% compared to systems with a 9800X3D (mine is a 7800X3D.

I can increase the core clock by 220 and the memory by 1600 (for best results out of the potential 2000 memory core increase). I think MSI just does an excellent job with their top ooo

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InternationalTry6679@reddit

I have to ask- how did you get your hands on this gpu?

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Dramion@reddit

On release day, I made it through the MSI US Store website and used Paypal to purchase it. I was very lucky; the site was super slow, the state would take forever to load, and you could not move to the next page until the state loaded. It was all pure luck. My dice on that day rolled a 20.

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InternationalTry6679@reddit

Wow great job. The site was crashing on me then. Very jealous

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Dramion@reddit

I wish I knew what I know now before buying the 5090 Liquid. I had a 4090 Liquid version 2 from MSI. It's very hard to see the difference between the two. I have a buddy that I game with nightly, and he has the same 4090 MSI Liquid v2. I get 30% more performance with the same game settings. However, I would never have noticed if we had not compared the two.

If you have a 4090 don't go and buy any 5090 and for sure do not buy scalped 5090s. Please wait for the one you really want to buy.

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InternationalTry6679@reddit

Oh I’ve got a 1080 lol, I’m desperate. No dlss, no raytracing capabilities. Thanks for the heads up though

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AlexADPT@reddit

Is it possible to change the fans on the radiator? I have a icue link setup and curious if I could just pop some icue fans on the radiator and have it work in the link system

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Dramion@reddit

u/AlexADPT It looks like you can disconnect the fan header from the three fans and run your own.

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nclakelandmusic@reddit

At the low low price of $10,800 on eBay. Not joking either.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/286386366562?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-166974-028196-7&mkcid=2&mkscid=101&itemid=286386366562&targetid=2276391439863&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9012165&poi=&campaignid=22334414578&mkgroupid=175009097663&rlsatarget=pla-2276391439863&abcId=10229844&merchantid=508429459&geoid=9012165&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjwh_i_BhCzARIsANimeoEMsRAyLBGvYDiZxWcPuT7AKVHxZmwRTzZ6I5-oiChpuoCdyZIh8f8aAu5nEALw_wcB

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jack2018g@reddit

Makes the $3300 I just painfully dropped on mine look like a damn bargain

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nclakelandmusic@reddit

It's all relative right lol? Man I wish I could stomach $3300, but I think I'm going to wait and see if AMD's next gen shoots for high end cards that are a little more affordable. I really wanted to just AIO everything ::sigh::

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BeatBoxBrolly@reddit

This video benchmark and glazing off the card are all lies.

The high clocks are not because the card is better, it's because he turned off RT and Tensor cores which allows the base clock to hit crazy high. Those figures are not real world

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Manordown@reddit

The 5090 (gb202) being 750mm and almost having 100million transistors it really hits new levels of performance at 550watts. It’s a real shame nvidia is just yanking out cranks with fake msrp and no stock!!!

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StrifeXc9@reddit

The retailers are a real shame taking scamming to a new level

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jedmos@reddit

hate to be the guy defending retailers, but in Australia, some of ours are being transparent. Suppliers are forcing retailers to grab dogshit 'bundled' products if they want a piece of the GPU pie.

This forces them to either use GPUs in prebuilts to recoup the loss, bundle them with other parts, or skyrocket the price.

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StrifeXc9@reddit

Well in germany it's like this "oh the gpu costs 2.8k huh?" "Alright let's slap 2k on top"

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droric@reddit

Nvidia hasn't changed their price. What fake MSRP?

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exsinner@reddit

Sure.. just watch your temps increased one year later because of the shitty gooey they used.

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adamr_za@reddit

Msi suprim range is the best in the 50 series range. Best thermals and noise levels.

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dfv157@reddit

medicore power delivery and no protection circuitry compared to their 4090 and nothing to guard against fires

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kitty_snugs@reddit

I read that as MSI Sperm Liquid...

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IshTheFace@reddit

Masai Superimjob Sperm Lick'U'ID

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StrifeXc9@reddit

Mhmm the kinky 5090

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BovineScarab0@reddit

Before you set out to buy this just remember that you need space for a 360mm aio for the gpu, if your cpu already uses a 360mm aio that means you need to mount 2. Theres only a handful of cases out there that you can mount 2 360mm aios and still have enough fan spots for sufficient intake to achieve a positive pressure while 2x360mm aios are exhausting. Someone might comment and say you can flip the fans on the radiator around and yes thats true, but why would you want all the heat from your gpu or the heat from your cpu to be dumped into your case?

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Yragknad@reddit

I’m pretty sure people buying a card with a radiator attached to it know that they need to put that radiator somewhere.

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BovineScarab0@reddit

No shit did you read the rest of the comment? Point is that people either swap the fans so the rad is intaking into the case or they dont have enough intake fans in other places in their case to provide neutral/positive pressure. As 2 360's would already be 6 120mm slots. Need to be extremely mindful of what case you decide to build in when using this gpu is all I'm pointing out.

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