What do you think would have happened had Hope didn't kill Solan? What if she was more manipulative?
Posted by Emica12@reddit | xena | View on Reddit | 5 comments
This was a thought I had years ago but I figured I'd run it by the Xena community to hear other thoughts on this.
But let's say Hope as a child tried to play the long con.
What if Xena and Gabrielle just found Hope hiding with Solan? What if the two somehow made friends (mostly young Hope manipulating the boy) and Hope had fake crocodile tears saying they were hiding from Callisto?
Even if Xena did try to kill Hope at this point not only Gabrielle would defend her child but Solan would be asking Xena why does she want to hurt his new friend.
If Xena gave the benefit of the doubt even briefly there would be no way she'd let her guard down around the child.
I don't know maybe in this situation Gabrielle would try to influence Hope further away from Dahak. Maybe while playing the long con by acting like Gabrielle and Xena as her new mothers she may have an internal struggle with the love and attention her birth mother is giving her. Or would she be a 100% monster threw the whole con? Or perhaps Xena and Gabrielle take their respective children and go separate ways? Or Gabrielle grabs Hope and runs away.
It'll probably never end well. But there's a lot of, "What if," thoughts here and I just wanted to know your thoughts.
JennaTheMaker@reddit
I wonder, if what the plot of the story was written differently. With Hope and Solan were friends as Hope was under, a different name at the time as either Xena and Gabrielle know the girl is Hope later on.
As they believe that she is dead, well Xena believe she is dead. Whether Gabrielle thinks her daughter is either dead or alive, while Hope didn’t know Solan is Xena’s child or knew Xena had a child.
While Solan also doesn’t know that, Xena is his mother either as Xena hasn’t told him. The truth yet, as she waiting for the right time to tell him.
The story plot of the episode could play out the same, but plot of Hope agreed to murder Solan by Callisto after she free her from the lava. Would be slightly different as after Hope free Callisto from her present, then Callisto could have task Hope to do it.
Hope agree to it at first, but she can’t as she see Solan. As her friend and couldn’t kill a friend, but then Callisto gone on a rampage killing everything in her past including Xena’s son and Hope.
Showing that Hope could have human emotions and could be capable of being good, but of course does not how the writers written her character and just made Hope completely evil.
No chance she can be good or redeem and made Xena completely right about Hope, while they made Gabrielle look like a complete idiot for not listening to Xena about her child is nothing.
But evil because she was born from evil and it lead to Hope killing Solan. But if story plot went different as has Solan and Hope were friends, but get complicated with Callisto wants to kill Xena son.
While if the writers wanted conflict between Xena and Gabrielle, they could have them fighting with Xena wanted to Hope and believe that she’s evil.
While Gabrielle trying to protect Hope and wanted to prove Xena wrong, as the conflict between them could have gone for at least 3 to 5 episode long.
After Xena conference Hope and ready to kill her as Solan is wondering, why Xena wants to kill his friend as he tried to protect Hope from her. While Kaleipus show up and see Xena going to kill a child and thinking that, she haven’t changed and she converted back to her evil side and going to kill innocent.
As Kaleipus save Solan and Hope away from with Gabrielle helps him escape with her daughter as the story ends there, while few episodes having both Xena and Gabrielle fighting each other with Xena wants to kill Hope.
While Gabrielle trying to save and protect her daughter from her as Gabrielle could find a way to binding Hope power, hoping is enough for Xena not to kill her and she will be killing an innocent person that isn’t dangerous to anyone.
As the only problem is to deal with Callisto is still going after Xena’s son and Gabrielle’s daughter.
ChippieChamp@reddit
I wonder, if what the plot of the story was written differently. With Hope and Solan were friends as Hope is under, a different name as either Xena and Gabrielle know the girl is Hope.
As they believe that she is dead, well Xena believe she is dead. Whether Gabrielle thinks her daughter is either dead or alive, while Hope didn’t know Solan is Xena’s child or knew Xena had a child.
While Solan doesn’t know that Xena is his mother either as Xena, hasn’t told him the truth yet as she waiting for the right time to tell him.
The story plot of the episode could play out the same, but plot of Hope agreed to murder Solan by Callisto after she free her from the lava. Would be slightly different as after Hope free Callisto from her present, then Callisto could have task Hope to do it.
Hope agree to it at first, but she can’t as she see Solan. As her friend and couldn’t kill a friend, but then Callisto gone on a rampage killing everything in her past including Xena’s son and Hope.
Showing that Hope could have human emotions and could be capable of being good, but of course does not how the writers written her character and just made Hope completely evil.
No chance she can be good or redeem and made Xena completely right about Hope, while they made Gabrielle look like a complete idiot for not listening to Xena about her child is nothing.
But evil because she was born from evil and it lead to Hope killing Solan. But if story plot went different as has Solan and Hope were friends, but get complicated with Callisto wants to kill Xena son.
While if the writers wanted conflict between Xena and Gabrielle, they could have them fighting with Xena wanted to Hope and believe that she’s evil.
While Gabrielle trying to protect Hope and wanted to prove Xena wrong, as the conflict between them could have gone for at least 3 to 5 episode long.
After Xena conference Hope and ready to kill her as Solan is wondering, why Xena wants to kill his friend as he tried to protect Hope from her. While Kaleipus show up and see Xena going to kill a child and thinking that, she haven’t changed and she converted back to her evil side and going to kill innocent.
As Kaleipus save Solan and Hope away from with Gabrielle helps him escape with her daughter as the story ends there, while few episodes having both Xena and Gabrielle fighting each other with Xena wants to kill Hope.
While Gabrielle trying to save and protect her daughter from her as Gabrielle could find a way to binding Hope power, hoping is enough for Xena not to kill her and she will be killing an innocent person that isn’t dangerous to anyone.
As the only problem is to deal with Callisto is still going after Xena’s son and Gabrielle’s daughter.
Overall_Sandwich_671@reddit
It would be interesting if Hope made it out as if she was defying Callisto, and when Xena faces Callisto, Callisto warns her "you're taking a big risk protecting that girl. You made me into a monster when I was a child, but she was born one!"
EvaHalliwell@reddit
That would make an even better season!! My imagination is going wild right now!
It would be awesome to have Xena, Gabrielle, Solan and Hope travel together, in the meanwhile Hope trying to corrupt Gabrielle (Maybe even have Gabrielle kill Solan) to a point where Gabrielle truly believes she is better off without Xena.
That would make it harder for Gabrielle to chose xena over Hope.
This might be a little too dark for a 90's family show (although Xena ís pretty dark for a family show), but it would've been awesome.
Thank you for the idea!!
Emica12@reddit (OP)
Your welcome!!
I can see Hope doing things to manipulate her mother away from Xena.
For example Hope, "accidentally," being the way of Xena's chakram it barely hurts her but it triggers Gabrielle even further away from Xena she's throwing an dangerous weapon in front of the children.
Or even Hope manipulating both Callisto and Xena... Solan doesn't die but Hope convinces Callisto that'd it be even more damaging to Xena if she killed her own baby boy herself. Tells Callisto she knows of another realm where time runs faster to take Solan there and train him. When Callisto takes Solan leaves Hope cuts herself/hurts and cries... She pretends that Callisto hurt her and took Solan. By this time Hope is at an teenager in her development. But Xena calls her out to be an liar and once Gabrielle stands by her daughter.
When Solan comes back he's an adult and a brainwashed warrior on the side of Dahak.
I also like the idea of Gabrielle's love making Hope struggle with her loyalties to her father making her second guess herself...