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Will the United States ever have a candidate like Milei, and if so, who could it be?

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Nacho_cheese_guapo@reddit

A candidate like him? Sure. A candidate with an actual chance to win? Absolutely not.
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OilPristine376@reddit (OP)

Well, maybe not, but let's remember that Argentina, not long ago, was one of the most brainwashed countries in the world by socialist ideology. I remember Milei starting on television, and he was very direct and passionate when debating and defending libertarianism. I think that is the key word: passion. Argentinians, and South Americans in general, are very passionate about whatever they do, and they appreciate that. So, in a manner of speaking, he won the hearts of Argentinians, I think.
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Cannoli72@reddit

Yes, after this country collapses from its debt. Which might not be that far off in our lifetime
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OilPristine376@reddit (OP)

I hope this never happens.
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dk07740@reddit

Not until there is a catastrophic collapse of our economy. Someone like Milei doesn’t get elected unless things have gotten so bad that the people are really suffering and embrace drastically different government practices. And even then most countries turn to creating more government programs to combat poverty rather than Libertarian solutions like Milei ran on. Milei’s presidency is extremely unique.
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wkwork@reddit

We'll always have Ron...
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OilPristine376@reddit (OP)

yeah, but he's now retired, but I think their major legacy is bringing libertarian ideas into american politics.
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Tim_Aga@reddit

What you are missing is that economic collapse happened like a century ago in Argentina. And then it spent like 70 years dominated by populist socialist government until they elected Millei. It's a century long recession that made it possible
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RedditThrowaway-1984@reddit

It's very unique. When the economic collapse happens in the U.S. we still won't get a Milei because the collapse will most likely be blamed on capitalism or bankers or something similar. So the backlash to that will be something like socialism. After that has failed for 50 more years - THEN - maybe we can get a Milei.
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nchscferraz@reddit

Something like socialism? What is your definition of socialism? Do you actually mean democratic socialism? There’s a significant difference.
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RedditThrowaway-1984@reddit

Socialism, communism, fascism - it doesn’t matter. They are all forms of collectivism. Democratic Socialism is no better. You can vote your way in, but you have to shoot your way out.
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Practical_Advice2376@reddit

Yep, as nice as it would be, we don't want to have to go through what they did to get someone like him.
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cluskillz@reddit

Rand Paul is one of, if not, the best senator we've ever had. But he's not radical enough. In 2016, his campaign strategy was for solidarity with the party, not for a populist uprising. He knows his stuff, but his strategy as far as I can tell, has always been to play nice within the system. That's not Milei. I personally like Adam Kokesh. He's always been nice to me when we've met, but...I'll just say that he is not likely to be a successful presidential candidate any time soon and really, I don't think he's particularly into it right now. He did run to be the LP presidential candidate in 2016. His campaign goal was to abolish the federal government and take it through a bankruptcy and dissolution process. Honestly, that's not going to be a winning message. The name I have in mind is going to be divisive within the LP, but the closest I can think of is Dave Smith. He has a deep understanding of libertarianism, knows how to convey it, and understands the need for a populist movement to be successful. He maybe doesn't have the flamboyance of Milei and he is not, himself, an economist by trade, but he could just lean on Bob Murphy for it. From your criteria, he's the biggest libertarian celebrity known for being a libertarian (iow, not counting people like Drew Carey, Vince Vaughn, etc), and he is the biggest libertarian influencer today. Also unfortunately, it doesn't look like he's interested in doing it despite seriously flirting with it this year. Honorable mention goes to Spike Cohen and Thomas Massie.
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East_Baby_3655@reddit

What ever happened to Adam Kokesh? No activity in 2 years… has anyone seen or heard from him?
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cluskillz@reddit

From what I understand he's enjoying life and his... edibles... off grid in his home that he built. I think the guy's earned his peace.
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2mice@reddit

What does Milei say about ending the war on drugs?
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OilPristine376@reddit (OP)

Well, it's not on their agenda right now because Argentina doesn't have drug issues like other places, but I think he shares the same opinion as many libertarians: decriminalize drugs!
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2mice@reddit

How does decriminalizing help? All it does it make it easier for gangsters and cartels to make and keep money. If legalized, the money goes back to the government, the people, and could hopefully be used for prevention, education, treatment, etc
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djentropyhardcore@reddit

We do. He's called Donald j Trump
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zugi@reddit

Justin Amash. I love almost everything I've ever heard him say. He was getting mainstream coverage back in 2020 when as a sitting member of Congress, he switched to Libertarian. I still don't know why he didn't run for President in 2020, he would set a new record for LP vote share. But by now he's pretty much forgotten outside of libertarian circles.
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cluskillz@reddit

I'm guessing he didn't throw his hat in the ring precisely because he knew he would get very low votes. I love amash, but no LP candidate was going to get more votes than the previous election cycle. This election was just too charged within the duopoly.
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zugi@reddit

People hated Trump and Biden and wanted more choices. Amash was getting major media air time. The media liked him because he vocally disagreed with Trump. He was better spoken and more polished than Gary Johnson and the pollsters were already used to mentioning the LP because of Johnson's 3% showing. He's Palestinian-American which means many on the left are somehow predisposed to like him, but Christian which inoculates him against some common attacks from the right. I think he could have broken 10%. But I'm a fan-boy so maybe that's unrealistic.
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Jolly-Variation8269@reddit

I like Amash a lot and you correctly point out some of his appeal, but people were far less willing to “throw away” their vote by voting third party in 2020 on both sides, and also Johnson did have the appeal of being a popular former governor. He’s a lot weirder than amash but was popular in New Mexico and very well qualified. And 2016 was just a very special election
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DixieNormas011@reddit

The people behind the curtain would never allow a true libertarian to get into the Whitehouse. There is zero chance.... The cabal runs way too deep at this point they'll burn the country to the ground before they lose their power
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Silly_Blackberry467@reddit

Give me Andrew Yang
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Majsharan@reddit

I respect yang for standing up to the dnc establishment but he woukd need to be very convincing to me to believe he’s abandoned his extremely socialist ideas
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Silly_Blackberry467@reddit

What did you find in his platform that was extremely socialist? UBI?
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steakington@reddit

where does he propose the government get the funds to do universal basic income?
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Silly_Blackberry467@reddit

Why are you asking me? Search the plan yourself. Besides, my biggest critique is that it needed to eat and replace Social Security, but nobody whats to havw that convo lol
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steakington@reddit

isn’t his shtick UBI? not knocking you for liking the guy (i don’t know much about him) but i wouldn’t have expected to see an endorsement for him in this subreddit of all places
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Silly_Blackberry467@reddit

Yea. I liked his platform. Big economic shifts, many of which have happened since his book had come oht, due to automation and tech. Reletively young, non problamatic entreprenuer tech type, with a focus on the future. For more info, his podcast appearances are good entry points his book has some good info and good insights. Also see "Yang media blackout" for some totally unprofessional primary race coverage 😭
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Unlucky-Pomegranate3@reddit

Thomas Massie might be the closest and his name recognition gets better all the time.
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EngagedInConvexation@reddit

I know Massie is for some reason the poster boy here, but he ain't it.
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Wizard_bonk@reddit

What ain’t it about him? I’m assuming a it’s gotta be border or abortion or some other non tax/spending related thing.
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Wizard_bonk@reddit

Ron was the most significant chance we had. But the two party system contrived by DEM and GOP means that the substantial (less power in rhetoric hands of government) American populous has to bow down at all turns to the statist American population. I think that of the election system wasn’t so rigged we’d have maybe 10% of congressional seats and hopefully much more local. But instead we get whoever the 2 shit brain statists want in power. Most people don’t want to think about politics and will just vote under party lines
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rebeldogman2@reddit

Trump is one of those ultra liberaltarians who will climate all of the government just to profit… 😢
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4797161974806@reddit

It's almost like that's what capitalism is.
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CigarRecon@reddit

No. I don’t think we will. We won’t, as a nation, survive the next 4 years.
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j3rdog@reddit

No not if we keep getting libertarians attaching themselves to Trump. I been screaming that this move will bring us back 20 - 30 years or worse’s as far as popularity goes.
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venice420@reddit

Melei seems to think Trump is.
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EngagedInConvexation@reddit

Candidate? Sure. We already have a few times. Will they raise the hundreds of millions needed from the pockets of corporations to see the inside of the oval office in a capacity that can do anything? Nah. Not in our lifetime.
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FreeOJ32@reddit

Our best chance was Ron Paul, but we kept passing him up for squishy establishment swamp creatures
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palomaEM@reddit

I'm sorry, but milei's no libertarian. Not with the davos speech in which he attacked the LGBT community, literally accusing the "gender ideology" of enabling and supporting paedophilia. Last time I checked, libertarians do not approve collective punishment, much less thought crimes.
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amp0880@reddit

Unfortunately unless something changes drastically with the “will of the people”. It won’t matter. Everyone too afraid to vote for what they believe in and always vote for the “lesser if two evils”
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International_Fig262@reddit

Trump will be done in 4 years. I'm guessing the GOP will run a mini Trump, like Vance, after that and almost certainly lose. Trump has always been divisive, and 12 years of a figure dominating the scene is unheard of in modern American politics. The presidency almost always flips after the lame duck period. So in 8-12 years, there may be a window for a true Libertarian. Of course, it's also possible the Dems continue to self-destruct, and there's no pressure to nominate a candidate beyond hyper partisans Sigh
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MillenialGunGuy@reddit

Thomas Massie Spike Cohen Larry Sharpe Rand Paul
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Flying-Tilt@reddit

I still like Spike Cohen. He's too busy fighting tyranny through You Are The Power. Also, I don't think he has the charisma or popularity to go all the way. Also, R.I.P. Harvey Cohen who passed last week.
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danath34@reddit

Rand Paul, yes. Kokesh is a fucking nut and wouldn't be a good face for the movement.
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IMThorazine@reddit

No, unfortunately. Our population is too stupid.
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Sufficient_Muscle670@reddit

Well who has Milel passed tariffs for so far?
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ChitteringCathode@reddit

I mean, there are people claiming on r/conservative that "Milei is Argentina's Trump," so I'm sure as far as they're concerned Trump is our Milei. I find that pretty insulting to Milei, but I'm starting to wonder if I'm in the minority on this sub considering how many shrug off Trump's protectionism and attempts to centralize power and squash dissent.
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CrueltySquadMODTempt@reddit

Honestly I'd vote for Massie if he ran for president as a Libertarian.
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Inevitable-Waltz-889@reddit

I think Rand would be the most likely candidate.  He's on mainstream news frequently.
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forne104@reddit

Dave Smith
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crinkneck@reddit

Massie number one right. La.
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Mead_and_You@reddit

Alright fine, I'll do it. I'll be the American Milei, savior of all mankind. But I'm not gonna live in DC, and if there is any events I absolutely have to attend, I'm bringing my donkey.
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