Is the UK really that bad to move to?
Posted by Ok-Box-401@reddit | expats | View on Reddit | 228 comments
I’m a dual citizen of the UK & US as is my daughter. Lived in UK over 20 years ago. Husband is an attorney with 20+ years exp who is qualified to practice in the UK. We are in FL with nice house, jobs etc. However, we are struggling with the new political arena and the real impacts it will have on our family in the future. Also, not enjoying FL and constantly worried about storms, school shootings, etc etc. Would love to relocate to France but the language barrier would be an issue, alongside visas etc. Our ideal life in the UK would be in a rural community with plenty space to take walks, fresh air etc.; the opportunity for my husband to resume his career in the UK & good educational options for our child. However, I am learning that the UK has struggles of its own, employment opportunities are low and that the everything is pretty much doom and gloom! How true is this? Anyone here who has made the move from FL to UK & not regretted it? We really are looking to establish a plan to get out of here when it becomes unlivable.
ArmyOfMe99@reddit
Former Floridian here, moved to Kent (just southeast of London) 18 years ago and haven't looked back.
Yep, it has its negatives as people have said (weather, healthcare can be hit or miss, political crap (but same as everywhere), but, in my humble opinion, the positives farrrrrr outweigh the bad stuff.
I'm sure it all depends on where you decide to settle, but where I am, I've never worried about my kids' safety at school, I can walk out my front door and go on jaw-droppingly beautiful country walks, people are super friendly, we can hop on a ferry or train and be in France/Europe in 1-2 hours, etc etc etc. Feel free to DM me if you want more info!
Witty_Beginning_5067@reddit
Can I dm you
ArmyOfMe99@reddit
Sure thing
Legitimate-Yam5505@reddit
Im interested in move in to Kent and leave Liverpool cause the general situation is really bad here !
Ok-Box-401@reddit (OP)
Thank you! I will DM you :-)
KerryAnnCoder@reddit
I'm a US citizen. I lived in the UK from 2019-late 2022.
Here's the takeaway.
If your only choices are the U.S. and the U.K., it is a no-brainer.
However.
If you have any other choice, think seriously about taking it. Now, nothing on this list is worse than the same thing in America, but that's a low bar.
1) Medical Care.
In the three years I lived there, the NHS went from one of the best healthcare systems in the world to one of the worst.
The first reason: a combination of over a decade of deliberate Conservative Party underfunding, with the intent of eventually replacing the NHS with a private system like the U.S., purely to profit off of sickness and injury.
The second reason: Wages have stagnated among junior doctors. A Junior Doctor makes on average around 41k GBP (51k USD). That hasn't changed for years -- but prices of rent and groceries have tripled since that wage was last examined. People in the U.K. who would choose to be a doctor as a career to provide for their families often either go fully private-only, or they go into other, more lucrative fields.
The third reason: Covid. As much as it is difficult to get healthcare workers to enter the fields, so many medical professionals left the field - either because they were burned out by the pandemic, or, in many, many cases, died of Covid. Like the U.S. the U.K. had a great number of "anti-vaxxers" and "covid hoaxers" that spread the virus. And the government's response to Covid was by far the worst in Europe. In fact, at one point, there was a program called "eat out to help out" where instead of paying restaraunt workers a stipend or stimulus to get them through the pandemic, people were told to eat at restaraunts... to GO OUT IN PUBLIC AND INTERACT WITH PEOPLE... in the middle of the pandemic. This was another reason there were so many cases in the U.K.
The fourth reason: The talent pool of doctors has declined, directly because of Brexit. When the U.K. was part of the EU, doctors could get medical degrees in their home countries for relatively cheaply, move to the U.K. to practice medicine at a higher wage than they could in their home countries. But now, Brexit makes that much more complex, and many doctors would prefer to live within the E.U. After all, when half the country made it clear that they hate foreigners, you might not be willing to put up with treating their sniffles.
Now, the Economy:
Britain's economy is in freefall, mostly related to Brexit, and it is going to get far worse over time. Even with Labour in charge now, the economic damage done to the country by the hard brexit is, was anything, undersold by the "Remain" campaign.
You will probably have to accept a lower quality of life than if you lived in the U.S. That may be worth it, considering what's going to happen in the next few years in the U.S., but it's a tradeoff, for sure.
LGBT+ issues:
If your daughter turns out to be gay, she will find much more acceptance in the UK than she will in the U.S.
If your daughter turns out to be a trans man or non-binary, he will find much less acceptance in the UK than in the US. There's reasons for that but the UK probably has the most transphobic policies of any English-speaking nation, including the systematic de facto denial of medical care for trans people. (And that's including Trump's executive order this week).
That said, I am a trans woman, and I myself am trying desperately to move back to the U.K.
This is because I already have an established support network there. I also want to resume my budding career in stand-up comedy, and London is the only place to do so. And third, I'm a city girl, and there is no city in the world like London.
Right now I'm in Mexico, maybe temporarily, maybe permanently. I'm taking a "wait and see" approach to my options. I have not found the language barrier to be insurmountable. Certainly it's a pain in the ass, but in three weeks I can have basic conversations and typically explain what I need to explain, even if my grammar and pronounciation are all over the place.
Plus, it's easier for a kid to learn a foreign language in their teens than as adults.
I would recommend, in fact, that if you can make it to France, that you go to France specifically for this reason.
There's another option that you can consider, and that is Amsterdam. Amsterdam is part of the DAFT treaty, and Americans who have indpendent means (proof of income) can live there. It is a short flight from Amsterdam to London.
All of this is to say: The U.K. wouldn't be my first choice for emigration from the U.S., in your position, but I WOULD say that it would be a better choice than staying in the U.S.
p.s. If your husband is a solicitor with a J.D., consider looking into the "Straight to Residence" programme of New Zealand.
Shot-Table9345@reddit
It is impossible for your daughter to become a man. 🤣🤡👍
gowithflow192@reddit
Rural is fine in the UK if you can afford it. The cities are slums.
Shot-Table9345@reddit
100% true, don't know why this got downvoted xd
LukasJackson67@reddit
Just because you might see a brown person?
That seems racist
Defiant-Dare1223@reddit
Nope. The overwhelmingly white cities are shit too
LukasJackson67@reddit
In the uk?
What does that say about the USA when moving to the uk is seen as a massive upgrade?
Defiant-Dare1223@reddit
It really isn't, unless you are poor.
The US pays people properly. 2, 2.5 times more than the UK for white collar jobs.
LukasJackson67@reddit
Quality of food?
Work/life balance?
Public transportation?
Guns?
Fascism?
Defiant-Dare1223@reddit
Theres loads of good quality food in the U.S. you don't need to buy shite there, even if shite exists.
As for populist right, Reform are leading the polls in the UK. Like Trump it's a bit of a bizzare alliance between radical free marketeers and the left behind.
Labour are going to be absolutely finished as a result of implementing the austerity they spent 14 years criticising and that the bond market is demanding. Their core message has been absolutely refuted. Tories down to the core vote of old and establishment and don't look like recovering.
Guns aren't a problem, violent culture is. (See Switzerland, with loads of guns). There's certainly bits of the U.S. that don't have a crazy high murder rate. The state of New Hampshire has the same murder rate as Germany.
Public transport: Not disputing that. British public transport is very location dependent, but like safer bits of the US you can choose places that are well served.
Work life balance. Personally I'd take getting paid twice as much for 10% more work ....
LukasJackson67@reddit
School shootings.
gowithflow192@reddit
Woah ur words bud. I’m brown myself. Don’t be racist bro
mustachedmarauder@reddit
The fact that you associate"slums" with brown people. Says WAY WAY more about you than the first comment. Like JFC, grow up pull your head out of your ass not everything is about race.
When dude was talking about slums they most likely meant. Drugs being common. Dealer's. Crime theft unkempt houses and yards. It's not just brown people that live like that. Every race can live in slums.
Naive-Structure2502@reddit
Funny that all the upvoted comments say that it is amazing to move to and downvoted say it is not. Also so many americans loving it here, when I rarely see them in the UK (including London) compared to Paris. This reddit community is biased
Shot-Table9345@reddit
100% agree.
WeirdMuch634@reddit
I'm in the Pacific Northwest, and my dream is to move to England too. Like you, my ideal home would be rural and peaceful. Have you tried joining expat groups on facebook? Or another idea is following fellow expats on social media. Both are full of advice and stories. As for France, could you start learning and practicing now? Maybe take French classes?
East-Currency8330@reddit
yes, unfortunately it's not what it used to be... it's getting worse and worse too.
3if83i6@reddit
yes
hankandirene@reddit
I’m moving back to the UK from California in 4 days so I’ll let you know 😂 these comments aren’t filling me with hope though.
Odd-Meaning-5331@reddit
Right behind you! I'm in the process of moving from Marin (between San Francisco and Sonoma/Napa) to East Suffolk. I'm going to be mostly retired and downsizing pretty radically to have the freedom to travel and have a simpler life.
Some days I look around at the great natural beauty and variety around me and wonder if I'll have regrets...but then tell myself that I can always drown my sorrows exploring France. Spain or Italy, or a spend a day browsing the British Museum.
I'd love to know your experience. I have US/UK/EU citizenship, but have lived my life since age 7 in the US.
Kirk_2002@reddit
How is it? I'm thinking of moving there in ~1 3/4yrs? after I pay off the large amount of debt I have and save enough money (I'm gonna open a high-yield savings account today). Wanna become an Electrician, but I'd have to be starting over there as an apprentice.
Ok-Box-401@reddit (OP)
Wow congratulations! Where in the UK?
hankandirene@reddit
Moving into my parents to start, in East Sussex (Rotherfield). Got my son into a lovely little village pre school. Excited for countryside walks and Sunday pub roasts!
pazhalsta1@reddit
We have record immigration so clearly a lot of people don’t think we are a bad country to move to. Definitely got our issues but not as many as a lot of redditors would like to believe.
And most of those issues are just the same on the other side of the English Channel/La Manche. Aging population, post industrial economy, lamentable politicians.
Honestly though if I lived in Florida with a nice house and a good career I would maybe just listen a bit less to politics and see if that helps. But if you want to visit us in the Uk then I hope you love it!
Own_Advertising_4211@reddit
Are you nuts? Record immigration- you mean the illegal boats coming in every weekend, no? As legal immigrants are not welcome anymore after Brexit due to formal difficulties.
pazhalsta1@reddit
You must be ill-acquainted with the actual legal immigration statistics since Brexit. Despite ‘formal difficulties’ peaking at just under 1 million net per year in 2023
It’s down to 200k this year but that still is 800k in and 600k out so 800k thought it was worth a move and did not find it too hard
coffeewalnut05@reddit
Not necessarily, but I’d definitely have finances in order and a job lined up before you come here. It’s a very expensive country.
Things like school shootings and natural disasters are unheard of issues here, though. We do get the occasional flood or storm in parts but our climate is nowhere near as warm as Florida’s so it’s a less intense or frequent thing.
okayside742639@reddit
You would need a job lined up in order to sponsor your husband's spouse visa, earning a certain amount annually (it sounds like though he is qualified to practice in UK, he is not a UK citizen).
buenorufus@reddit
What if you are already a citizen with no job or finances ?
Boring-Abroad-2067@reddit
The finances and job is definitely key to UK vs other areas of the world, job security helps. Also you have to check if the location is right for you.
Shoutymouse@reddit
There was literally a natural disaster in the last 48 hours haha
Legitimate-Yam5505@reddit
Now yes , everything goes bad thanks to xxx Brexit..
Informal-Estate-4067@reddit
Yes do not move here it's shit
Only_Professor7254@reddit
At the moment I would say for sure it is
Illustrious-Froyo65@reddit
If your husband is already qualified to practice law there, that’s a big plus. You’ll likely find better work-life balance and far less of the constant anxiety around things like school safety or extreme weather that you mentioned. Smaller towns and rural communities in places like Devon, Yorkshire, or the Cotswolds are still lovely, peaceful, and family-friendly.
Things can feel a bit doom and gloom online (and in the news), but on the ground, many people live very content lives. If you can afford the move and are realistic about tradeoffs, it can absolutely work.
One_Television7446@reddit
As someone who is in the US as well why not just move to another state? If you're as well off as you say then there is many places I believe you would enjoy living. If you're going for the beach myrtle would be nice and way less hurricanes than Florida. If you're looking for a similar vibe maybe California? I mean you could legit choose from so many states and places :)
coastalkid92@reddit
I moved Canada to the UK and what I can say after having been here for 3ish years is that every country has its own issues.
The UK struggles with things like an underfunded healthcare service, HCOL in certain pockets, an education system that isn’t equal all the way across and the economic fall out of Brexit which keeps the left and right arguing.
I think because of how Canada is, moving to the UK and dealing with their struggles hasn’t felt as jarring but it definitely could for some in both negative and positive ways.
One_Television7446@reddit
May I ask how you found a work opportunity abroad? It just baffles me how many people have these opportunities and I do not understand how they receive them? Do you have a degree etc?
Imaginary_Pin_4196@reddit
As a Brit it’s sad to read from an outside point of view talk about Brexit in this way. You’re not wrong at all though, the description really is as simple as that. A large portion of this country had no idea what they were getting us into and believed politicians who have had previous records of spreading lies and misinformation.
If you have a very niche skill set for anyone going to the UK, I wouldn’t recommend unless you have an easy get out clause, aka freedom of movement around the EU. This country is lacking in many areas at the moment, but it’s very hard see overwhelming positives at this moment.
B3stThereEverWas@reddit
Saddest thing about the UK is I just don’t see any pathway out of their malaise.
All the crucial industries are gone, perpetual budget crises means they can’t spend needed money to invest without cutting services. Raising taxes just means capital flight and less leftover for hardworking people who have already seen incomes withering away.
I know Brits are famous for complaining but I can’t blame them right now tbh.
Mean-Orchid4450@reddit
https://www.gov.uk/homelessness-help-from-council
mr-louzhu@reddit
Pathway out is to rejoin the EU, lol. They really did this to themselves, though.
lifeonmars111@reddit
As an australian we love NZ and we love Canada but the youth seem to be really anti monarchy and really anti england.
mr-louzhu@reddit
I mean, this is true. Alas, the monarchy is a dying institution. I mean, it's a symbolic head of state. Its function is ceremonial. Personally, I like it. Lots of older people like it. But from a functional standpoint, the monarchy is a political hood ornament. And while generations of people will use the same pair of hand me down household items, regardless of their age, as long as they still serve some practical function, things that are merely there for cosmetic reasons eventually fall into disuse. Just because all they really are is a type of fashion. And all fashions go out of style eventually.
I'm not saying it's a good thing. I'm just saying that's the reality.
straightnoturns@reddit
As a Brit I would be down for that. The UK could do with more Canadians and I love Canada.
mr-louzhu@reddit
Aye. As a Canadian I'd be all for it, too.
Imaginary_Pin_4196@reddit
Labour aren’t looking into any option which is absolutely disgusting and quite frankly horrific. They’re not even the party of the people. Good thing I’m awaiting my Irish passport so I can live in EU countries.
Boring-Abroad-2067@reddit
I think this is the crux, its only going to get worse...
Imaginary_Pin_4196@reddit
Indeed. All important points. Don’t forget what doesn’t help is that we have a proven liar still believed by millions in the form of Nigel Farage as a member of our parliament. We have a government in today who isn’t exactly a mass improvement on what we’ve had the last 14 years, Starmer is Tory lite. But when this country and its system is entrenched by its class system, we won’t make so much progress.
AlgaeOne9624@reddit
That is not remotely true. Most people who voted for Brexit lived in areas massively impacted by immigration, and were looking for a reduction in immigration. Cameron resigned, and the PM put in place to negotiate Britain's departure from the EU was a Remain voter (May).
wsalter68@reddit
That is not true.
The most diverse areas generally voted in favour of Brexit and the opposite
AlgaeOne9624@reddit
So the places most impacted by immigration.
Fiona-eva@reddit
Did the lives of those voters improve as a result? Genuine question
aghastrabbit2@reddit
No, and the only thing it changed regarding immigration, was there are now fewer Europeans. Anyone coming from non-European countries is still coming / still there. Plus, the negative effects of immigration are largely overplayed.
AlgaeOne9624@reddit
Overplayed how? Perhaps if you are from a leafy English village, you will not notice the impact, but I guarantee many people from working class communities, do.
aghastrabbit2@reddit
In my experience immigrants are making a huge positive contribution - especially to the health service
AlgaeOne9624@reddit
Some, for sure. Immigrants are not a monolith, however, many communities have changed beyond recognition - my own hometown is unrecognizable. When I walk down the street, I hear a range of languages, and rarely English. This is not a judgment on one's human worth, but whether individuals should have a say in how drastically their country changes.
aghastrabbit2@reddit
Why does hearing different languages bother you? I love it, personally but maybe because my first language also wasn't English (I don't really speak it anymore tbh because I live somewhere where everyone speaks English). Other than that, I don't see that many changes. You can still get the foods you like to eat, the clothes you like to wear, and you can still go to a typical English pub, no? Christmas decorations are still everywhere in December (and November too - ugh) right? What exactly is unrecognisable besides more people that look different from you and speak other languages (and I'm betting they all speak English too)?
AlgaeOne9624@reddit
It's true that there are immigrants that bring value, but conversely, there are those that bring questionable cultural practices into the county. As someone who has spent time living in various developing countries, it is of concern to me to see crimes I experienced in Saigon (theft from moped gangs) now taking place on the streets of London.
aghastrabbit2@reddit
What's the direct impact on you? I'm not from a leafy village but I constantly hear how terrible immigration is but 99% of the time what they're saying is stuff they've read or heard or seen on social media, not direct experience.
AlgaeOne9624@reddit
No, but then it was a gamble to trust politicians to follow through. There is nothing that suggests life would be better if in the EU, either (and those that state otherwise are being dishonest). Many of the current economic problems are from COVID (furloughs, lockdowns, etc.). Much of the issue with immigration was following Angela Merkel's 'all are welcome' comment that allowed limitless numbers of individuals who were NOT EU citizens to freely roam throughout the EU (with no plan in place for how they were to be accommodated - many have ended up in less than ideal circumstances). Of course, this has still continued, and along with it, even higher numbers of legal immigration. Thus, British citizens realize that having any trust of their government is ultimately foolish.
dwylth@reddit
It doesn't make the end result any better
Mean-Orchid4450@reddit
https://www.gov.uk/homelessness-help-from-council
Hellolaoshi@reddit
Brexit also keeps the left and right arguing in such a way as to prevent politicians from solving real problems.
Fiona-eva@reddit
This comment is a great illustration how the experience would vary from person to person even. I moved Montreal to London, and in Montreal I was in the end of a 5 year wait for family doctor, which I never got, and just left eventually. In UK I saw a GP in two days after coming to ask for an appointment and had zero problems with him renewing all my prescriptions. I also have private insurance with my job in both countries, and in Canada when I thought I broke my toe the best they could do was “eh, try finding a physio, they can sometimes prescribe an xray”, while in London my clinic called me (!!!) to arrange full health checkup that the insurance covers. So far both private and public healthcare systems in UK given me more in 5 months than Montreal gave me in 5 years
coastalkid92@reddit
I have private health in the UK as well and it’s a big help but I know plenty of people who aren’t offered private healthcare or private dental through their work which makes it really difficult.
There’s definitely an advantage to having a mixed healthcare system here.
Fiona-eva@reddit
I had private healthcare in Canada as well, and it wasn't much of help for anything other than online consultation. They couldn't help me arrange a real appointment with a doctor, and I ended up seeing a paid cardiologist (still took me 6 weeks), because the system was impossible to handle unless you're dying. I wasn't dying but my cholesterol was 5 times the norm with 120 pounds weight, and if I didn't pay out of pocket and go 17(!) metro stations away several times to pass blood and heart tests and see the doctor, I would still be on my path to heart attack at 50.
coastalkid92@reddit
I mean, private health care in Canada is more set up for healthcare adjacent services like pharmacy, massage, physio, etc. And maybe offering telehealth services. We don’t have a robust private healthcare service in Canada because of how our healthcare system is designed to ensure that people can’t just “hop the queue”.
I’m not saying that Canadian healthcare is beyond reproach, it definitely needs an overhaul but so does the NHS.
LukasJackson67@reddit
Isn’t the USA’s healthcare system way underfunded as well?
LonghorninNYC@reddit
What healthcare system? 🤣 And I’m saying this as an American
LukasJackson67@reddit
We don’t really have one consider the vast majority of Americans can’t afford their meds or don’t even have insurance
Specialist-Term7611@reddit
This is patently false. Around 8% of Americans don’t have health insurance. That is not the vast majority. I’m not saying the health care system is great but there’s no need to lie. Also NHS has its own problems with wait times.
TheLaughingForest@reddit
Have you experienced the UK healthcare system personally vs the US?
aghastrabbit2@reddit
Yes - UK, Canada, and US - and Canada's was best of the 3. However, I do miss the prescription coverage in the UK
williamgman@reddit
To put in terms folks can understand... Yes, "only" 8% are uninsured (because in the US we must pay into a private plan with crazy deductibles). We have a failing privatization issue. We have corporate run hospitals that are consolidating which leaves many communities under served. We have the highest costs in the world. So yes, only 8% are uninsured.
LukasJackson67@reddit
We need a system like the uk or Canada. Medicare for all!
Specialist-Term7611@reddit
This is all also true. Again, I’m not defending the system because I think it sucks too and would definitely prefer a system where everyone is covered and gets the access they need.
williamgman@reddit
Yet they call us communists for saying this. 😒
LukasJackson67@reddit
I am simply going by what I have read here. I have never delved into the statistics.
kateinoly@reddit
Most Americans have insurance, but most insurance plans are terrible (expensive and don't cover much).
LukasJackson67@reddit
Interesting. I would be interested in seeing some stats on that.
kateinoly@reddit
https://www.kff.org/uninsured/issue-brief/key-facts-about-the-uninsured-population/
The way most insurance plans work: (1) person pays a monthly fee, which can be higher or lower depending in employer contributions, size of deductible and coverage maximums. (2) person finds a doctor on the insurance company's approved list
When care is needed, the person pays the entire cost until the deductible is met (average is $1700 per year per person, although some plans with lower premiums may have deductibles over $7000)
Once the deductible is met, the insurance company typically pays about 80% of the cost and the person 20%.
carriondawns@reddit
Don’t forget we know have “out of pocket” costs we need to meet first as well for some insane reason. The plan I had to get years ago from the ACA had an $8000 deductible AND an $8000 out of pocket AND I had to pay about $3-400 a month, which was the cheapest plan they’d give me.
kateinoly@reddit
What is the difference between a deductible and "out of pocket? Isn't that just a yearly max on what you'll pay as your 20%?
carriondawns@reddit
Mmm sort of although I know plans differ on the percentage. It basically means that’s how much you’ll have to pay in a year no matter how much you rack up in bills (in THEORY, although insurances will just deny your claims anyway sticking you with a $50k bill haha). But the stupid part is, with any other industry the deductible is what you’d only have to pay. So if I get in a car crash and the bill has a deductible of $10k, I pay $10k and the insurance pays the rest. It’s only healthcare that is able to swindle us into essentially paying two deductibles.
kateinoly@reddit
Most plans have an annusl deductible, lower if your premiums are higher. After you meet that, the insurance only pays part of the charge and you havevto pay the rest. "Out-of-pocket" is the maximum amount you would pay in a year. After that, the insurance pays everything.
For approved claims, of course.
There are other plans. I'm in an HMO, so I have no deductible. I pay a "co pay" of $20 every time I go to the doctor.
LukasJackson67@reddit
On what grounds do they deny coverage
kateinoly@reddit
Generally for any reason they can come up with.
https://www.marketplace.org/2024/12/13/why-do-so-many-americans-get-their-health-care-claims-denied/
If the person appeals, the insurance company usually backs down. Many people don't appeal..
Insurance companies are profit making businesses. They have to pay out less than they bring in, or they go ot of business.
Meanwhile, the CEO of United Healthcare, the guy that was murdered, had a salary of $23,000,000 a year. This is the same company in hot water for using "machine assisted prior authorization" (an AI algorithm) to deny many claims.
carriondawns@reddit
Insurance companies def don’t back down to appeals unless they’re ordered to in court. The idea is if most people see the appeals process and ultimately useless and costly, they’ll save money overall by fighting against the few who do try until the end, even if they end up losing. But most people don’t have $10k to fork over upfront for an attorney and court fees.
uganda_numba_1@reddit
It's not so much underfunded as inaccessible.
LukasJackson67@reddit
Most Americans don’t have health insurance
LynnSeattle@reddit
What are your statements based on? It’s not reality.
Mousse_Dazzling@reddit
Lazy Brit! Google it. It's 92% of Americans have health care. I personally don't know anyone who doesn't have healthcare.
williamgman@reddit
This right here. Go to any ER room in a major city right now. They are understaffed and over crowded. It's bad.
LynnSeattle@reddit
We don’t have a federal health care system.
williamgman@reddit
It's pay as you go.
LukasJackson67@reddit
What do you mean?
williamgman@reddit
If you don't have a job... You don't have insurance. For me prior to retirement... I had $750 taken out of my pay each month to an insurance company. This plan had a $5000 annual deductible. Not great.
RexManning1@reddit
That’s state specific. There are states that protect primary residences from foreclosure for debts and some states that do not. Part of the American problem is the Federalism itself.
williamgman@reddit
I live in California. One of the "progressive" states. Bottom line: It's the number one reason folks lose their homes and or file bankruptcy in the US. It's bad.
Sugarloaf78@reddit
Non-existent
coastalkid92@reddit
I have no idea, I’m not American.
LukasJackson67@reddit
I think any American moving to the uk would be receiving way better medical care than in the USA.
tangosworkuser@reddit
Getting good medical care is easy in America, as far as access. I say that as a licensed healthcare professional. Paying for it is a very different thing. Most affordable healthcare plans don’t cover much or have unaffordable deductibles that cause financial hardships. That with the combination of insurance denying coverage for certain care can make it so that if you do “elect” to utilize the care it may ruin you and your family financially.
So better? Almost certainly not. Less stressful or expensive? Definitely.
LukasJackson67@reddit
So most Americans I am guessing don’t really have adequate healthcare then
tangosworkuser@reddit
They are forced to chose between the cost and the care. The care is as simple as it gets to get.
murplee@reddit
The commenter said they were from Canada not USA
thegingfreecss@reddit
I don't recommend moving to the UK under a Skilled Worker visa, for example. Unless you just want to get some experience, make money and return to your home country. The Skilled Worker visa will put you in a very tight situation with the company you work for. You are allowed to work ONLY for your sponsor. If the company bankrupts, sorry for you. Find another sponsor or get out. If they fire you, the same situation. You don't have the right to stay in the country, paying taxes and even paying for your own visa/renewal if something like that happens. Maybe you don't, but as someone in that situation, I assure you: it's hell.
All that for at least 5 years until you can apply for an ILR. And IF, ONLY IF, the UK's far-right or the right (there is really no left wing here) don't abolish the ILR or change it to 10 years in their witch hunt against ALL immigrants. Forget about certainty and suffer not knowing how your future will be here.
All that while the rich are not taxed and the middle class gets squeezed.
I'm concerned that my partner and I, two hardworking people who pay a lot of taxes and help making this economy work are not welcomed here and will need to leave.
So no... I don't recommend anyone to be an immigrant worker here. Had someone given me this advice, I wouldn't have moved here.
The UK will destroy itself. Don't let it destroy you too.
Frequent_Mango_208@reddit
Yes. Genuinely
Terribly unhappy people who hate you if you do better. I am trying to get very very good at my job to try some other countries.
Captlard@reddit
It depends on your attitude to life and where your rural life is I guess,
Rural close to London or Oxford, would be very different from rural Wales or Scotland.
Personally, I live between London / Spain, and whilst originally from North Wales, I would not move my family there (although I would go if single).
Ricky_1881@reddit
Hey! I am Ukrainian and trying to choose between moving to Spain (Alicante) and UK (Newcastle) for live and business. What suggestions would you have for me in that situation? What are the major differences (except for obvious ones like weather and language)? Thank you!
Captlard@reddit
More work opportunities in the UK (not sure about Newcastle specifically though).
Work / Life balance is better in the UK, in the sense that you are not expected to stay late .
The tax system is also better for saving.
Top_Mirror211@reddit
Yes. Honestly I can’t wait to leave 🥺
ardv21@reddit
I’m going to take a crack at giving an honest answer that is based on OP’s original question.
If you have money then by all means move to the U.K. if you can generate money then by all means move to the U.K. I’m European and American and lived I Europe, U.K. and USA…specifically Florida where I am now. I have family in UK all of whom want to leave (family and friends in Europe also want to leave).
Biggest issues:
Unless you are some koombaya leftist that sympathises with every leftist cause you are going to be constantly pissed off.
Following on that, it’s hard to find an area any longer that isn’t drowning in immigrants and more concerningly to most people, unassimilated Islamic immigrants. Islam is almost offensively in everyone’s faces.
No matter what the economy is in USA, you can always count on it being about 10 times worse in EU and U.K. In the past UK was where Europeans went to get away from the bad economy, now UK economy struggles as bad if not worse.
You cite struggling with the current government-I’d assume you’re a major anti-Trumper. I personally am socially very liberal and dislike some of the rhetoric, but I’m also a realist and think you need to sit back and wait as much of what is going to happen is going to bring USA back to the centrist nation it always was and will usher in a lot of financial prosperity. Any delusions you have about idealist governments in UK and Europe need to be checked at the door. Brexit was a clear mandate from the British people on a lot of the same issues that got Trump elected and socially the British people are at a breaking point with a lot of the same social issues (gender ideology, unbridled immigration, radical Islam and sympathy in schools and among youth, excessive support to foreign countries, etc) and the pot will boil over.
You cite “school shootings” and as the mother of two children 11 and 8 who go to school I can assure you I agree…but it’s not so much better in UK or Europe. (Cue the people telling me I’m crazy for this comment but hold on) USA is a whole big, heavily populated continent. While shootings in schools may be at a minimum in EU and UK…if you had the EUROPEAN CONTINENTAL NEWS nightly you’d be horrified over the violence and the surprisingly similar rates…In fact almost worse in EU/UK at this point. Guns aren’t the only weapon. Daily in most countries there are “explosions,” acts of terrorism (yes literal acts of terrorism often played down so significantly by the media to diffuse the growing hatred of the unassimilated Muslim population), and kids die in schools there too. I’d rather my kids be in an American public school (disclaimer-I’m Swedish and American so I refer to these schools but UK isn’t too much better). Knives kill too-very often.
Weather…well, can you get used to, beyond the “it’s cozy” feeling you idealise in your mind, being indoors MOST of the time? Rain, clouds, cool weather can seem great until you live in it.
Now on the other side I’ll make a few arguments for you.
Yes, you can probably live comfortably there if you can earn money-especially if your husband is an American lawyer who can maybe work remote or get a job as an American lawyer there or qualify as a solicitor. If you are going with a relatively decent amount of money, then there are places that may fit the bill for you. If you want an idealistic country life perhaps look on the south coast of England. I used to love Hove, but now you need to go further afield. I’d take a trip and plan to travel from Torquay to Weymouth….these areas have less of an issue with immigrants, far less violence, cheaper cost of living, and you’ll be less impacted by issues with the NHS, for example. You’ll also have milder weather and get more for your money property wise and otherwise. It’s far less of a shock than other areas would be, in my opinion.
Now, this really is up to you and I really caution you to think deeply before doing it. As someone who has gone through what you are going through and moved back and forth (and as recently as this year pondered back again) I chose to stay in Florida for many reasons-and with modifications. To elaborate a bit, I live further inland in Florida (SE Florida to be exact) away from all major cities but close enough to S. Florida’s three major cities (W. Palm followed by Ft Lauderdale and Miami) without the issues. We live in a gated community with plenty of land and outdoor space in the community to enjoy outdoors all year. The schools are reasonably safe but ideally I’d like my kids in private school by high school. Every time I get frustrated I just call people in UK and Europe and hear how utterly worse it is. In the end, when I leave to take my kids to school every morning or when in having a hard day, I look at the palm trees and the greenery and I ask myself why on earth when I can live surrounded by such beauty and such relatively great weather most of the year would I want to go back to grey Europe?
Latter-Sink7496@reddit
Thank you for your thoughtful comment—it addresses many concerns I’ve been wrestling with. I’d love to hear your perspective on the social environment your children are growing up in if you remain in the US. As a parent of a young daughter, I’m increasingly anxious about the cultural influences at play. The normalization of misogyny and the pervasive “your body, my choice” rhetoric have left me deeply unsettled, and I worry about the long-term safety and values she might absorb. With so many trade-offs to consider, I’m finding it challenging to determine which issues should carry the most weight. Any insights you can share would be greatly appreciated.
ardv21@reddit
I think one reality most Americans really don’t seem to consider is that there has been a strong reaction to overturning Roe v Wade but I don’t think it’s an accurate reaction. Please let me explain as people react strongly to this. I too have a daughter (and a son) they are 11 and 8, my daughter is younger. There is NOWHERE in Europe or UK that allow third trimester abortion. Sweden is 18 weeks, the latest is 24 weeks in UK and Netherlands, and in USA you can literally have abortion up to 26 weeks in Hawaii. Yes, some red states have severely limited abortion rights, I live in one, Florida-6 weeks which I find insane as you can barely know you are pregnant at that point. Other than the issue of abortion and this strong American belief that Europe will allow all sorts of things they don’t, I actually feel women have better opportunity in USA. I would argue Sweden is better, but it’s no longer safe for women so I don’t think I can win that argument. For all the progress made, when Islam was imported en-masse, it seriously affected women. I don’t feel safe walking in Stockholm at night, or any city now and son or daughter, it’s not safe but particularly for women and girls it’s a mess. I would also have said that USA was less safe with guns but that’s now a major issue all over Europe, again due to importation of Islam, is violence including stabbings, shootings, and terrorism. It’s not occasional, it’s daily.
As the mother of two children in a generation where they are very open-minded, some concerns I do have over the current administration are bigotry against LGBTQ people. While I can say that like USA, hormone blockers for trans children have been largely banned everywhere in Europe too, I feel the sentiment isn’t the same. I feel the Trump administration is going out of its way to create a backward hatred toward LGBTQ people, particularly trans people. I teach my children to respect everyone and this has become a concern. It’s one thing to say that you don’t want full grown males who haven’t had surgery changing in women’s locker rooms-and frankly I think it’s funny as that’s quite patriarchal. As a mother of a son, having seen a grotesque number of female predators in schools, and considering the configuration in male restrooms, I would think these same people would be up in arms about that, but patriarchy is alive and well. What does bother me about bigotry is that this administration is sewing seeds of actual hatred that was remedied in USA before I was even born. I happened upon a US passport thread where transgender people who had long since had operations and were living as adults in their gender, were having their passports turned back to their sex at birth; surely this has little to do with posing a danger or being unfair to anyone and more to do with bigotry. I also think little kids playing in recreational leagues as mixed gender, not just trans but mixed, is perfectly fine and again, any ban on non-competitive recreational leagues is just bigoted.
I don’t really know any other issues that stand out to me with choice. I think this issue is a limited issue and part of the issue will be rectified over the next 4 years. I think the left went way too far with letting full grown men and women enter opposite sex spaces just by announcing they identify as whatever they feel like and it turned the public against the entire issue, but so too will some of the more restrictive bans on trans rights and for certain any attempts to infringe on gay rights-such as marriage. I think abortion restrictions will also backfire and there needs to be a sound national conversation about a common sense approach such as an 18 week limit with exceptions for health of mother and/or baby. Absolutism in any direction doesn’t work. I remind people of Newton’s Third Law; to every action there is an equal and opposite reaction, and what we are seeing with Trump is just that, equal and opposite in that some of the more extreme leftist views that were really forced on the country now have become extreme right wing views being forced on the country and we have to go back to centrism and common sense. Roe v Wade was a bad legal decision, that’s the issue with that-even Ruth Bader-Ginsburg said that. It was pretty low hanging fruit. My guess is that at some point some lawyer is going to go to the Supreme Court with a far stronger case and win and it will replace that law.
All in all, my biggest struggle is that there is too much immediate danger in Europe and too many integration issues. I would be tempted to move to the South of England, I won’t change my mind on that, but I do like the actual climate where I am and I think that ultimately USA will moderate and is a better long-term bet for my children.
If you have any specific issues I didn’t mention feel free to share your thoughts. I never imagined myself living in USA to be honest, certainly not choosing it over Europe or UK, but it’s not so great over there right now. The world is going through something, we are on the brink of a very big change I believe and sometimes you go backward to go forward.
Latter-Sink7496@reddit
Thank you for sharing! I think I was more referring to nuanced cultural views and experiences for growing girls and women. Cultural equality and treatment in society. Which of course isn’t a utopia literally anywhere on the planet.
ardv21@reddit
I’d have to say stay in USA. Sweden is by far the most egalitarian country I know. Opportunities for girls previously exceeded opportunities for boys, to an extent it became like a retribution culture where ensuring girls had opportunities at the expense of boys was completely acceptable to “even the playing field” from history. I think those days are gone. In UK, women are second class. It’s a lad culture and always will be. I worked for British companies and opportunities for girls and women are better in USA. I wish I could explain it in a way you’d understand as it is extremely nuanced, but girls grow up in UK with opportunities but boys are given chances. Females fight harder to get to the same places far more in UK than USA and once there are judged much harsher. You have to understand, the UK is a class society, it’s not just gender it is class, USA is a meritocracy. While women do make it in UK, it’s often class contingent. Look at Kate Middleton, her mother, a very successful woman, largely orchestrated her meeting and marriage to Prince William. Successes in upper class is marrying well, patronages, work for pleasure not for supporting yourself. There are exceptions but not like in USA. Most of my British female friends and colleagues wanted to find wealthy husbands, wanted to move to Dubai and meet “rich men” and these were women working in corporate positions with me and when I was younger, girls whose aspirations were simply to find wealthy men. It’s very hard for Americans to grasp because USA has never been a class society in the same way.
ikanoi@reddit
Move to Ireland - free movement for UK citizens - in 5 years you can gain residency, then citizenship, then the EU will be open to you.
lifeonmars111@reddit
aren't they having insane cost of living/housing crisis issues?
ikanoi@reddit
Yes, like every western country rn
Living_Difficulty568@reddit
As an Australian I’ve found it pretty bad. Scotland is much better than England to live in. You couldn’t pay me to go back to England. I’m very keen to return home at the end of the year.
lifeonmars111@reddit
Would be really interested in speaking to you about your experience. Husband and i are from west aus planning a move in next two years.
marvbrown@reddit
This reminds me of the first time I visited England from the USA. At the passport control the agent asked where I was going, and I said Edinburgh, and he said that was where they were from and it's better than London. I liked Edinburgh and want to visit again.
phonyToughCrayBrave@reddit
I was in the UK on vacation recently and barely saw any English people. I did see a protest and counter protest. I think lots has probably changed in the last twenty years with your new arrivals situation.
Raneynickel4@reddit
Florida is a shithole full of human trash so the UK is better hands down.
If you dont wanna move out of the US, move to a better state.
cripynoodle_@reddit
Everywhere has its problems and as other people say, British people love to complain, so things get overblown. It has its problems but London is a unique, diverse, and accepting city.
Having said that, I cannot express how bad the weather is. You truly can't understand how miserable and unwell living in a cold, grey, damp climate can make you feel. Obviously, this depends person to person, but it really is a huge thing to take into account.
Hairyisme@reddit
For anyone wondering, this is why we complain so much, we're miserable.
KerryAnnCoder@reddit
I found it charming, actually. As my ex-girlfriend said: "The charm of England is that here, everything is just a little bit shit.'
coffeewalnut05@reddit
Speak for yourself
KerryAnnCoder@reddit
Yes. But im on my phone right now. Ill need a real keyboard to respond - this is to remind me to respond
KerryAnnCoder@reddit
That said, UK is WAY better than the US
Ok-Box-401@reddit (OP)
Look forward to seeing your thoughts!
EngineerRare42@reddit
My experience is obviously very different, but I do have some considerations that you may want to keep in mind. I was born in the US, but lived in Asia until I was 10, which was when my family moved to the UK. I never really liked it, so when I was an adult, I moved back to the US to reconnect with my roots, and I can't say I regret it.
The move was very hard on me. The weather was awful, the people were rude, and I never really got all the help that I needed at school (I was great at some subjects and horrible at others). Also, I do speak English, but I had an accent; some kids made fun of me. Would your daughter be made fun of, if she has a strong accent?
Just keep in mind; will your daughter like the weather? Will she fit in and make friends? Will she go to a good school and get a good job?
And in a broader sense for your whole family: Will your husband get a good job? Will the NHS be okay for you? Will you be able to contend with the cost of living?
Have your husband or daughter ever lived in the UK? That will be a major relocation, especially for your daughter when she's at an age where she's learning about herself and what she wants/likes/needs.
Also in regards to the political situation; the UK isn't so great itself these days. I don't know what ethnicity you are, but whenever I'm there I face at least 1 racist comment. Also sexism.
That said, do what's best for you and your family.
awesomenessmaximus@reddit
The lack of sun would be a big shock to the system.
Ok-Box-401@reddit (OP)
This is true although I really do miss the seasons & theres nothing better than finding a cozy warm pub when it’s cold and drizzly outside!
moon_dyke@reddit
One thing I’ll say is we don’t have much in the way of seasons anymore :(
The last few years with climate change our weather has just become almost permanently mild and grey regardless of the time of year. Summer is the season that stands out the most because it will get hot and sunny (more so than previously) for some of it. But autumn and winter are milder than ever - the leaves aren’t changing colour nearly as much, I haven’t seen snow since 2020 etc.
I am in the south, though, autumns and winters will be a bit more pronounced in the north. But still nothing like what you’d associate with seasons in the US.
spacedog8015@reddit
I moved from the US 3 years ago and I regret it. London is great with really lovely arts and culture, but it’s impossible to live in the city. The cost of living is absurd, wages are shockingly low (and jobs impossible to find), customer service of any kind is a joke, and healthcare is abysmal. I also find people really unfriendly especially towards Americans. Unless you are very well off I would look into EU counties. Also if you want to live in a small town there will be no jobs to speak of unless you can work remote. Strangely, I mostly don’t mind the weather and I moved from California — but the lack of blue skies does get to me after a while.
moon_dyke@reddit
Some of the things you’re saying here are specific to London. There are lots of great cities with interesting culture in the UK that aren’t so expensive and in which the people are much friendlier.
spacedog8015@reddit
Yes, Scotland 😂
Defiant-Dare1223@reddit
Whilst I agree with everything you have said about the UK, EU countries are all, without exception (maybe excluding Luxembourg) as bad or worse.
spacedog8015@reddit
Yeah this is just based on the options of other expat friends - I have several in Portugal who LOVE it and another in Amsterdam who is having a great time there.
Defiant-Dare1223@reddit
Portugal is totally unviable if you actually have to actually work there. Salaries are comical.
Dutch housing is crazy. As bad as the UK. Salaries slightly better, but tax worse. Food is crap.
spacedog8015@reddit
Yeah these are both people who run their own businesses/freelance and primarily work with the US so that’s probably fair.
Vakr_Skye@reddit
Do you mean the UK or London? I moved to the Scottish Highlands and its amazing but the UK despite being small comparatively so to the US is a very varied country culturally and topographically so there's no easy answer because it depends on your personal circumstances.
TheGlare2002@reddit
How were you able to set up and find a job in the highlands? Congrats!
Boring-Abroad-2067@reddit
There are jobs in the Highlands ( maybe not many but if you are correct fit...)
TheGlare2002@reddit
Like what?
Boring-Abroad-2067@reddit
Just type highland jobs into Google, probably not that many roles but it's got some people , more of an isolated part of the UK...
OutsideWishbone7@reddit
Well with your British passport you could have moved to France easily and the kids would have picked up French in no time… but my genius countrymen voted for Brexit by a stunning overwhelming majority of 1 or 2 percent. Now because of “sOvEreGNty” none of us can simply move and work in Europe without jumping through stupid hurdles.
Ok-Box-401@reddit (OP)
I know! So frustrating when I think about that.
PoolSnark@reddit
Leave the sunscreen.
Brief_Ad_8032@reddit
I hate to burst your bubble. But yes it is. I’m British, grew up here, lived abroad many years and now live back k in the UK. Although life abroad is far from perfect I’d say weather, economic situation is a massive plus to your mental health. All lacking in the UK. Unless you are loaded.
Alixir_Reddit@reddit
Honestly, I can't quite put my finger on it, but as a Brit myself, I fucking hate it here, I want out, I'm looking to get a job in the US to relocate. Every aspect of my life is just dull and boring, I know my life will not change drastically but I can GARUANTEE you, I will be happier in the US. But hey, everyone's different.
Insomniac_80@reddit
You might want to ask this one in /r/AmericanExpatsUK!
Elenorelore@reddit
Unfortunately, it was already posted in that subreddit.
Elenorelore@reddit
Oh man, I've replied to this post before, but I'm not sure when the thread got deleted.
Here was my reply:
I think it's important to weigh the pros and cons when considering any place. I've listed some of what I like/dislike about the UK below (it's ALL opinions).
** What I like about the UK: ** 1. 28 days of paid leave that you're expected to use. 2. Sick leave. 3. Reasonable work-related accommodations for people with children. 4. Good maternity leave (I don't have kids but I might have them someday). 5. Cities and towns are walkable. 6. There's a grocery store every few miles (or less). 7. Small businesses are more common than in America. I LOVE cozy little gift shops and craft stores. 8. Afternoon tea. 9. Cheaper groceries (my husband, dog, and I's food costs £70 per week). 10. Warm winters with more sunlight (than Michigan). 11. If you're a thrifter, then the used-goods market is absolutely fantastic.
** What I dislike about the UK: ** 1. It's crowded where I live (compared to Michigan). 2. There are people that openly hate Americans (I've only encountered a few in public). I've seen plenty of other members say that they've never experienced this, so I easily could've been in the wrong place at the wrong time. 3. Less personal space in queues; everything's more compact so people stand closer together. 4. Jobs are much harder to get because there's so many applicants. 5. Multi-lane roundabouts with bad signage (you gotta be a local to know where you're going sometimes- but that happens in America too). 6. Less pay, but I feel like grocery prices help make up for this. 7. Luxury goods are more expensive (handbags, jewelry, etc).
SnorkBorkGnork@reddit
You also have crappy weather in the UK- especially compared to Florida. Just cold, grey and rainy. And take a look at English beaches and compare them to yours.
coffeewalnut05@reddit
English beaches and weather at some of the best things about it
DueDay88@reddit
The beaches won't be there for much longer as oceans rise and the constant storms erode the shoreline. This is happening in many coastal areas, not just Florida, but Florida definitely won't be the exception.
SnorkBorkGnork@reddit
That makes me sad.
But what I'm trying to say was: don't underestimate the effects on your mental health and physical health of a severe change in climate and daylight and environment.
And Florida to UK is a big switch. Maybe OP will love it and go hiking every spare moment, maybe they will experience seasonal depression for the first time in her life. But it will affect you one way or the other.
You can worry about politics and economy, but climate is also something to consider. If OP absolutely loves Florida's sun and warmth, palm tree beaches and blue ocean, well....you don't have that in the UK. I like the UK but not because of the weather lol. If a nice climate is important, maybe start working on your French and try to find something along the Côte d'Azur.
CongruentDesigner@reddit
Regardless, UK weather will never not be shitty
sehns@reddit
I wouldn't be moving to the UK if I had a daughter
Opti_span@reddit
I had the same idea and even considered it myself moving to the UK (however my post was removed by moderators so I’ve got got to deal with that and they have to be ready), I’ve been to the UK and I can say it has its trade-offs but I personally think it’s much better than Australia even though it has its own issues.
bristoltobrisbane@reddit
I’m a Brit and i’m biased because i’m on my way out of here for good in a few months. I live in a beautiful part of the country but there is not much i’m going to miss in all honesty other than friends and family.
NHS is in a dire state. Over winter when there’s a bit of flu about we were looking at 8 hour waits for ambulances and a similar wait at A&E (ER) for treatment when my wife got very sick recently. Unless you’re dying the NHS is useless, even then a friend with Cancer was waiting longer than he should for treatment. (To be fair, he survived but said the experience was very poor). My wife is an aussie so has to pay an NHS surcharge, while still paying the standard National Insurance payments in tax.
The general negativity about the politics and the country is the thing I dislike the most. After years of austerity, it is likely to come back as the government will be raising taxes in the near future.
Stats will say that average salary stagnated compared to other countries a long time ago and that’s not improving. I am aware the US has a lot of issues but when I go there with work, it blows my mind how much disposable income most working Americans seem to have.
And finally the winters. Hollywood makes them out to be snowy and beautiful but in reality it’s 6 months of dark, gray, cold and drizzle. The summer’s are great and I will miss the long sunny evenings- we get roughly 10 a year!
Ok so i’m being very negative and obviously London is very different to the Cotswolds where I am but I don’t know many people who are truly happy in the UK, and most I know would move if family circumstances were different.
jimjammerjoopaloop@reddit
Okay, American to UK emigrant here. We have been here in Oxfordshire for eight years now and we LOVE IT!!!
Why, you ask?
1) The grey weather doesn't bother us! Most people believe in their soul that sunshine equals happiness. But we come from Austin, TX. The heat there was relentless and you had almost no possibility of having the kind of lush, beautiful cottage gardens we can have here. If you love green you learn to love rain. If you absolutely have to have sunshine you can go abroad to Spain very cheaply. I know people who go for the week-end. Or to Paris. For the week-end! How amazing is that.
2) Most people on Reddit will tell you how terrible it is to live here because housing is expensive and wages are low. Yes, that's true for most people. But if you have a bit more money, as it looks like you would do being in law, housing costs are basically the same here as they are most places in the US excluding forlorn areas like North Dakota. Yes, London is very expensive. So is San Francisco. You aren't trying to move to either of those places so I don't know why people even bring London up.
3) The UK is still a place where people tend to take care of each other and care about each other. My husband had a stroke and the neighbors rallied around us. They still take out our garbage bins without us ever having asked. They found us people to come in and do cleaning. This is in the countryside in Oxfordshire, which is stunningly beautiful, by the way. We never had to ask for help, people just stepped up.
4) Speaking of the stroke. I have heard the same stories about having to wait for hours for an ambulance but in our personal experience one arrived in less than 15 minutes. They took my husband to the hospital and saved his life. Then they kept him there for two full weeks. He is fully recovered and we didn't pay a penny. We had a very good experience. But this was because we were very careful to move to a neighborhood that was in the cachement area for a great hospital. Having come from the US we knew about having to move to a community that had decent schools. Now that our kid is graduated we used the same logic in looking for places to move with healthcare. You are assigned a doctor based on your address so if you know what doctor you want you can move to that area. Again, most people don't have that luxury because of cost, but you do and it makes all the difference.
5) You should know that you don't have to use the NHS. Private health care is available here just like it is in the US. You will be pleasantly surprised how cheap it is compared to the US. For example, I saw a therapist for a while to deal with some personal issues and it was 60 pounds an hour. My best friend in Austin was trying to find a therapist for her daughter and the minimum price quote she got was 175 dollars an hour. I use Mounjaro, the weight loss injection and pay 200 pounds a month for it, compared to around a thousand a month in the US. Sadly, dental care here is actually as bad as advertized. If you need a lot of work done I'd get it done before you move.
All in all, the cost of living will probably work out the same. Some things cost more, some less. Life here is simpler and slower. There is less stress because there is less violence. Reddit tends to skew younger and for young people who aren't likely to need expensive medical care, and want to go for a high-paid job it's probably better to take your chances in the US. If you are older and looking for more security, gentler hobbies like raising bunnies and chickens, and less worried about safety, then the UK is the place to be.
Pale-Candidate8860@reddit
I agree with you on the first point so much. Came from sunny California. I lived in other states prior to leaving the U.S. Live in Canada now. I love the rain and snow. Everyone here says I'm crazy for not living in California anymore.
52°C(125°F) summer, mixed with annual wildfires, and only job opportunities being working out in the fields(not orchards where I lived, ground only). Fuck that. I love Canadian weather.
LittleSpice1@reddit
“Canadian weather” is very broad lol.
Ok-Box-401@reddit (OP)
Thanks for taking the time to write such a wonderful detailed response ~ it’s so refreshing to learn of your positive , continuing experience living in the UK. I totally agree about the relentless heat ~ its never ending here and the hurricanes are getting worse every year.
RhiannonFoxx@reddit
I think we are similar in a lot of ways…. Or things weigh up roughly the same.
People say America has better pay, but we get better PTO… depends what you prioritise more. The weather is obviously better in America though but we can get nice summers here, hotter down south than it is up north. Taxes in America are insane but so is inflation and eletric bills in UK. Food is better in UK imo…. Free education is a pro in the UK. Healthcare is better in the UK…. Ish. Obviously in US, the schools shootings are a worry and the whole gun thing.
Your husband would definitely get a job here easy being an attorney, maybe see the difference in pay and see if it’s worth it. Houses in the UK are smaller but if you got £££ then you can get bigger ones! 😆 I think politics in general have a lot of pros and cons in each country. In the UK we don’t have the worry of hurricanes and earthquakes, tornados etc, and we don’t have any deadly creatures lurking about!! 🤣 Inflation in the UK is insane and we have the highest electricity bill…..
A rural community would be fab!! I love the countryside. The Lake District in Cumbria is beautiful!! (North UK) I do think sometimes it’s hard to find a decent paid job if you don’t have a career, but I think that’s the same everywhere. Depending on your kids age, if you come over here you could put them through college and university… that doesn’t cost over here.
I think it’s very similar in each country in different ways.
Like the healthcare system over here sounds better because we don’t have to pay etc, but then you’re waiting ages for appointments because the NHS is struggling.
Taxes in America are crazy but so is inflation and bills over here so it weighs up the same.
If you have a good profession I think you could love happily and comfortable in both places.
Defiant-Dare1223@reddit
Taxes are better in the U.S. Energy is cheaper in the U.S. Healthcare is better in the U.S. unless you are poor Food is at least as good in the U.S. private schooling is more affordable.
American infrastructure is generally pretty crap, that's the main draw back.
RhiannonFoxx@reddit
My bf (in the US) pays way more in tax than me in the (UK) and we have similar work, also the hidden taxes you have on every item in shops etc…. We don’t have that. I already said energy was cheaper in the US. Healthcare is extortionate in the US for people with no insurance… and even sometimes with insurance it doesn’t cover everything. One single inhaler I get for £9.00 over here costs $150 over there it’s crazy 🤣 everyone’s going to think different for food etc that’s why I said in my opinion the food is better in the UK.
Private schooling is probably more affordable in the US yes, but you can get free education here. College, university etc, much better compared to costs of college in the US.
That’s why I said overall it kinda weighs up similar in different ways, but that you can live comfortable in both places if you have a good profession. There’s pro’s and cons to both.
Defiant-Dare1223@reddit
British tax is low until you get to £60k, ok until you get to £100k, and downright draconian at £200k.
Ok-Box-401@reddit (OP)
Thank you so much for the detailed response! We actually have put Cumbria on the list of places to research ~ I actually do prefer the North 🙂
IRUL-UBLOW-7128@reddit
The Lake District is gorgeous if you want a quiet life. It may be far from where your husband finds employment though. I also have a UK passport and we have visited many times and love the summers there, but winters? Forgetaboutit. If I am living in the cold I want skiing nearby and sunny skies after the storm leaves.
RhiannonFoxx@reddit
You’re welcome! ☺️ I am weighing up the same thing with my partner right now. I actually live in Cumbria so if you have any questions, feel free to send me a message! ☺️ the North is peaceful and not so hustle and bustle/ busy like the south is! 😆
Ok-Box-401@reddit (OP)
Thanks! Would love to connect ~ Ill send you a dm :-)
Telecom_VoIP_Fan@reddit
Moving to one of the big cities in the UK is not a good idea but you can still find peaceful rural locations. Take a look at Hebden Bridge in Yorks.
atropear@reddit
War in Ukraine has triggered inflation across Europe. When I was in England last year some people seemed to believe the war was existential. That is apparently what BBC is telling them. When the US stops funding that war, the inflation will take off worse unless they negotiate an end to the war.
18297gqpoi18@reddit
Stayed in London for a few years for work. I absolutely despise suburb. I’m from Manhattan. I love a compact city. It’s just very convenient. However, London was too spread out and very inconvenient for someone from Manhattan.
Salary was shi*. It was ridiculously low.
Well I made a good group of friends and I’ve got to travel Europe a lot. I guess that is enough. But never again. Europe including London is not a place to live but a place to visit. Just soooo suburb feel to it which I hate.
SettinOnALog@reddit
Help. I’m desperate to get myself, and my three kids out of the USA. I don’t think husband would join till he retires in 8 years. I’m educated (master’s degree), hard-working, live on a hobby farm, sell real estate as well, and am kind and compassionate. I can’t do it here much longer, and am willing to completely disrupt our lives for escape. I am scared here for my children…what kind of world will be living in over these next four years and more!?
Fiona-eva@reddit
I just moved from Canada in July and I am loving it here. I don’t feel economy is more grim than in other places (it’s global recession so it’s grim everywhere), weather is always mild, traveling is a breeze compared to NA and the culture works really well for me
Longjumping-Syrup-47@reddit
I don't know if I could take the switch from sunny Florida weather (minus the hurricanes) and the UK cold and grey. But I get depressed after 2 days of clouds so I guess it depends on the person.
Hannahchiro@reddit
The UK of now is not the UK you left behind 20yrs ago. Over that time it was systematically run into the ground, plus Brexit, plus Covid, plus the war in Ukraine and all the other economic crap that affected everyone else. It's going to take a very very long time to recover. And this isn't me bashing the UK - I love my home. Are there still good people and good things about being there? Of course. But anyone who hasn't lived there recently honestly doesn't fully understand how tough things are right now. An example just off the top of my head - my disabled mum had a nasty fall in the shower a few weeks ago and had to wait 9 hours (yes, NINE) for an ambulance after my dad called 999. If you do this, you will need to very honestly weigh up what functional things about day to day life are most important to you, what you are prepared to put up with and what you are prepared to let go of.
Vegetable_Baby_3553@reddit
I live in the UK…moved from the USA about twenty years ago. Best thing I ever did. I live in a rural area that is very beautiful. Walking path out the door and into gorgeous countryside. Better employment protection than the hire and fire at will USA. Market towns nearby, friendly community. Yes, the NHS has its problems, but it is better than any American health care system I experienced. If your husband can telecommute, I’d consider it. When the weather is not great, there is Eurostar out of London to warmer climes. There are excellent private schools here, or in some counties, grammar schools.
Yes, the economy in the UK isn’t great right now, and I worry a bit if Reform/Farage will be in power after Starmer. The weather can be depressing, particularly January/February. That said, I’d take the UK over the USA easily right now.
Ok-Box-401@reddit (OP)
That sounds amazing! Would love to have a walking path and get some fresh air ~ living in AC 80% of the year has me yearning! I think telecommuting could be an option but would have to be with a UK firm. I’m sure you are glad that you moved when you did 👍
jenn4u2luv@reddit
As a Filipina, I lived in Singapore, New York, and now London. Love it in the UK because my salary has essentially gotten me to a better quality of life that I didn’t get while living in the US and Singapore even as a high-earner there.
There’s issues in the UK but given the perspective from various ends of spectrum, I’m happy that the UK is the place I’ll be settling up to a distant future.
The thing I would caution is that there is a huge wave of non-contentedness and frustration (mostly valid) with the government, but personally those issues exist anywhere you live.
Ok_Pangolin1908@reddit
The UK is amazing, it just gets a bad press due to everything getting a bit shittier economically since 2008 and the weather being a bit grey half the year. But it still has so much going for it. Personally I love the countryside, it’s epic. But if you prefer cities, London is great if you have money.
mxrainbowgoth@reddit
I moved to northern ireland over a year ago and I've never been happier
FrauAmarylis@reddit
Stay in FL!
Defiant-Dare1223@reddit
Your quality of life would fall through the floor. The UK is a poorly ran country that has no plan and punishing taxation on very moderate wages.
If you want to do that to yourself because you hate the orange man, you are really just shooting yourselves in the foot. Hell be gone in 4 years if he lives that long.
Look what you'd earn, how much housing costs.
AngryBlackLotus@reddit
This might get downvoted to oblivion but the answer is simple. Life is all about money. Money = freedom of choice. America provides an abundance of opportunity to make money. It’s not lost on me the HCOL, wealth inequality, medical insurance, child care, etc. This and more can eat into your earnings but the opportunity to make money is more readily available.
The UK is both beautiful and challenging. The opportunity to make money is not nearly as abundant. It’s down right difficult. However you can find it and if you do - a company paying you similar to your US earnings makes all the difference. This will allow you to leap in with a smoother transition.
For me, high compensation is the only way I stay in the UK. I haven’t come to terms yet with making less than half of my earnings to work somewhere else. If that day comes I will then evaluate my lifestyle and determine if I stay or if I go.
JanonymousAnonymous@reddit
We have an amazing Labour socialist government so please ignore all the naysayers. It’s absolute bliss.
Defiant-Dare1223@reddit
🤣.
hooberland@reddit
If only they were actually socialist. But I hear ya, still way better than the tories.
djobouti_phat@reddit
I think it's important to remember not to take the English that seriously with stuff like this. The stereotype of the English as Eeyorish people is fairly well-deserved, especially the people you find on facebook and in /r/unitedkingdom.
So yes, there are absolutely problems here, and some big-ish ones, but it's not as bad as you'd think from listening to people who complain loudly online. I think everywhere is a bit like that at the moment.
samnissen@reddit
Tldr: is taking a financial/comfort step back and removing sunshine worth a less acrimonious political environment, less intense school safety drills (we still have them), and potential climate stability?
I’d say the biggest gotchas of this transition are likely to be: 1) you are unlikely to realize until you live in the UK how much more materially nice your life in America is compared with essentially everywhere else (getting an annual physical, a dryer, and a house and car that fit your family at a US-level of comfort is like top 3% wealthy person behavior here); 2) the opportunities to get your family into a higher tier of comfort through hard work are more limited than in the US due to HCOL, high income taxes, and low wage growth; 3) the sunlight situation can be truly painful — in addition to the weather, the latitude also plays a role; 4) the language is not as common as you might think, and the subtleties of the difference can cause issues you aren’t aware of at first.
WorthSpecialist1066@reddit
British here. I would not leave the weather in Florida to move to the almost permanent greyness that is the UK.
You’d probably need to be close to London for your husband to Practice.
OSUBrit@reddit
The weather in Florida one of the best reasons for leaving! Hurricanes and rising sea levels are going to devastate that state in the coming years. Best leave while they're still capable of selling.
CongruentDesigner@reddit
I mean theres still several other sunny states that don’t have those issues in the US.
I loved the UK when I was there (it was 2006 and mostly London) but I couldn’t do the perpetual greyness long term.
xEnglishRose99x@reddit
This is the only reason I won’t move back permanently. I miss my family. And sadly enough I even miss Gregg’s and Wetherspoons. But I can’t deal with the shit weather 24/7 anymore.
Federal_Nobody_6879@reddit
Gregg's, Wetherspoons and TK Maxx; the (un)holy trilogy. I feel you though ... I really miss the southern fried chicken wrap at spoons.
WorthSpecialist1066@reddit
I’ve lived in France for 17 years. It’s closer so I can get my fix a few times a year. I stock up on tea bags and like to visit a country pub, so I hear ya! It’s bizarre what we miss.
BenDeGarcon@reddit
I moved to the UK from a sub tropical swamp town, with UV index of 8 pretty much everyday. I'd do it again in a heartbeat. 33c+ a day at the moment.
FidomUK@reddit
You sound wealthy, so should be fine. You can avoid the crime ridden areas with homelessness & poverty quite well by living in leafy, traditional areas not yet impacted by the devastating changing demographics. You can get private health insurance and send your kids to a nice private school.
You will however get taxed more and more over time, especially with the current regime. And if you live in a socially mixed area, especially London, you’ll need to be careful with security.
The current trend is the rich and innovative people are leaving the UK, while poor people are arriving.
The National debt is already more than 100% GDP and spiralling out of control.
Where will the money come from to pay the increasing need for benefits?
The future doesn’t look good, but things can change.
All the best for your move.
AXLPendergast@reddit
Its cold, cloudy and depressing.
coffeewalnut05@reddit
Speak for yourself
AXLPendergast@reddit
And others too. But hey thanks for the suggestion..
Intplmao@reddit
I’m a British citizen living in America. I hat countries could I move to on my British passport? England Ireland Scotland wales?
PrettyGreenEyez73@reddit
I think anything is better than the US at this point.
50MillionChickens@reddit
Moved from NY to Wales with lots of work time in London. I would say you will probably be in for some culture shock from the changes in UK since Brexit but if you are looking for something outside if cities you will find it comparatively a lot more affordable than the US.
Health care is a workd of difference in being 100% funded, only out pocket is 10 pounds for a prescription. On the other hand the EMS service and preventive care from NHS is what got terribly gutted. We've had world quality care with no issues for some chronic ailments but ambulance wait times can be hours. I mean like 6 damn hours in some places.
But overall it is so much more sane here than everything going on in the US now.
Historical_Cattle633@reddit
My sister lived in London for a bit over a year. She loved it. Our family is from southern Spain, nit much rain and sunny most of the time. Every time I called her it was cloudy or raining, but she got some sort of coffee shop member card and could get drinks for cheap or something can’t recall. So in her free time she’ll go to museums, that apparently where free entrance and get a hot drink (normally some sort of tea). In the end she came back but said she loved it, and now she likes big cities rather than our small town. Yes every now and then she got some complain , like not being able to speak good English or that she got a ticket as pedestrian for some reason (I wouldn’t remember what it was), things that here don’t happen.
OSUBrit@reddit
Ignore the doom and gloom from UK Redditors. You'd think you were walking into a warzone by the way it's portrayed. The UK is by no means perfect, but you can make a good life here - especially if you are in a skilled profession.
My wife is American and we made the decision to move to the UK to settle down rather than the US for a number of reasons, not lease because of the quality of public education in the US and the whole active shooter thing.
DKerriganuk@reddit
The UK isn't far behind, our current centrist government is failing and won't be reflected. The only other options are right wing.
USAJerry@reddit
I wouldn't move there considering their two tier policing and taxes and their illegal alien problem. And that's just a few things You couldn't pay me to move there.
LukasJackson67@reddit
You are upset that you might see brown people? That seems really racist
USAJerry@reddit
Nothing wrong with them if they are legal and actually acclimate to the society they have moved to. But if you like grooming gangs for your daughter so that you can feel important in taking up for them, then you do you with your mental illness.
LukasJackson67@reddit
That was overblown
Alert_Door_2531@reddit
Lived there 6 years. The weather was impacting me way too much. Cost of living too high in London to also endure the bad weather. Depends how much the cold/grayness/wind/rain impacts you. I’d rather live in Dubai than there.
Critical_Cut_6016@reddit
It's a trade off. People can offer their opinions here but rly you have to make to list of things that you value then do you research and way up the pros and cons with that list.
Is sacrificing some things you value in one place, worth the gain in value in places in the other.
Only you and your family can answer this.
However don't be fooled by grass is green syndrome. There will always be a trade off.
Zealousideal_Rub6758@reddit
British people are BIG complainers. Honestly, it’s not that bad at all and everywhere has had its issues these last few years. There are pros and cons like everywhere else - why not try it for a year?
Koenigss15@reddit
Moved back from SoFlo and don't regret it at all. Work life balance is much better
xcapades@reddit
Quite frankly it depends a lot of how much you earn and where you want to live… But yes the UK can be incredibly hard if you don’t have the right set up.