Integrated Graphics better than GPU??
Posted by Buckerrzz123@reddit | buildapc | View on Reddit | 26 comments
I’ve recently upgraded my PC from a i3 10100f to a 7600x and from 16gb ddr4 to 32gb ddr5.
However, this means that due to the 7600x requiring a lot of power I can’t run my 1660 super and my cpu with only a 450w psu.
So i decided to just take out the gpu and use the integrated graphics on my cpu until i can get my hands on a 750w psu.
What shocked me was that it seemed to outperform my old set up by quite a margin. I could run Delta Force on 144fps on medium settings. Rocket league on 165fps. Both aren’t demanding games but it’s shocking when id be averaging about 100fps on both these games on my old set up.
Makes me wonder if i should even bother upgrading my graphics card or not
n-some@reddit
I had a laptop with an AMD processor with integrated graphics that was capable of running games that were well outside of what it should've been able to... For several months. Now I can't even run a game like Rimworld without horrible lag. My assumption is that the processor was compensating for the lack of graphics capabilities, but that was massively damaging the lifespan of that processor.
mildlyfrostbitten@reddit
that assumption would be wrong.
n-some@reddit
Ok what was happening? It was supposed to have the equivalent of a GB of vram, but could play games that required upwards of 2. Now it can't. What changed?
mildlyfrostbitten@reddit
idk what's going on with your performance, tho the amount of ram the igp uses should be configurable. but a processor operating as it's meant to is not going to damage itself outside of serious bugs like Intel had.
n-some@reddit
What about thermal issues? If I was overheating the processor by overutilization I could've caused heat degradation, right?
edjxxxxx@reddit
Assuming the CPU you are using is relatively modern (from the last 15-20 years?), it would shut down before you could do any thermal damage to it. Note, the damage to Intel CPUs that mildlyfrostbitten is referring to happened because the motherboards were supplying too much voltage to them, not because they were overheating.
As for why you’re experiencing a decline in performance… who knows. There could be any number of reasons (and if you’re interested in figuring it out, perhaps make a post on one of the PC help reddits), but that the CPU was overcompensating before (which is impossible, because CPUs, GPUs, all chips really, do as much work as they can as fast as they can, unless you deliberately tune them not to) and that the CPU somehow damaged itself through overheating, is not one of them.
If I had to guess (and I have to admit, I have no firsthand experience with Rimworld), the reason you’re getting diminished performance in that title probably has more to do with the CPU and not the iGPU. As far as I know, Rimworld is pretty computationally demanding, so it would make sense to me that if you’re using a CPU with an iGPU, and the CPU is already struggling running the simulations, plus it has to prepare frames for the iGPU to draw (assuming the render pipeline is the same in an APU as it is with discrete graphics), it makes perfect sense that you could be experiencing difficulty running it. And it’s interesting that you’re comparing Rimworld to games you played previously, so you don’t have a like for like comparison. Perhaps the other games were more graphically demanding, easing some of the burden on the CPU and providing smoother frame pacing to the iGPU, allowing it to stretch its legs, so to speak. But this is all conjecture without more knowledge about your system and how it runs other games.
n-some@reddit
One example of a game that went from running well to absolutely not running at all was vampyr. I originally played through the whole game with low graphics, but more recently I tried running it again and the frame rate was genuinely under 10.
mildlyfrostbitten@reddit
no. that's what throttling is for. there's no such thing as overutilization. to get degradation you'd need to consistently run a cpu at the thermal limits for years. gaming for a few months does not come even close. and the effects would be on the order of, over time, knocking a few years off a multi-decade lifespan.
kaje@reddit
A decent quality 450W PSU would be enough for a 7600X and 1660 Super.
Public_Courage5639@reddit
You're right about the 450w psu but I would never run a 4090 with a 750w psu. You would have 0 headroom for drives, fans, rgb, etc... On top of that, transient spikes could definitely make your psu not able to sustain a 4090 if it's not a super high quality one.
uraba@reddit
Tbh with that cpu it should be fine, headroom is a bit low but im chugging on with an 13600kf and 4090 with a 850 w sfx psu, as you hear i like to live dangerously 😅
That said ymmw.
RBisoldandtired@reddit
They might have 250w of RGB....
9okm@reddit
A 7600X and 1660 Super should be fine on a 450W PSU.
Buckerrzz123@reddit (OP)
yeah shit was running at like 95% with 2 google tabs open
9okm@reddit
That was pretty much my experience too, lol.
Sleepykitti@reddit
Did you have the cable installed in the GPU or the motherboard? If it was the motherboard, you were never using that 1660S at all.
If you set the 7600X to ECO mode in the bios that'll give you enough headroom to keep using the card without any issue even if you'll need to upgrade for a new card.
Buckerrzz123@reddit (OP)
i had it installed into the gpu. and when i swapped cpus my monitor would turn on but not boot. When i plugged my monitor into my motherboard it was sound.
mildlyfrostbitten@reddit
if you have a working dgpu and are running off the igp programs that need the dgpu will still use it. it's very just works at this point. the main stumbling block in the past was that boards would deactivate the igp when a dgpu was installed, but this is becoming less common.
edjxxxxx@reddit
Assuming the CPU you are using is relatively modern (from the last 15-20 years?), it would shut down before you could do any thermal damage to it. Note, the damage to Intel CPUs that mildlyfrostbitten is referring to happened because the motherboards were supplying to much voltage to them, not because they were overheating.
As for why you’re experiencing a decline in performance… who knows. There could be any number of reasons (and if you’re interested in figuring it out, perhaps make a post on one of the PC help reddits), but that the CPU was overcompensating and somehow damaged itself through overheating is not one of them.
edjxxxxx@reddit
The 7600x is a 105 W CPU, the 1660 Super is 125 W. Unless you have like 10 HDDs and 10 ARGB fans and an AIO, you’ll be nowhere near 450 W.
Niwrats@reddit
You could try power limiting your 1660 to a lower wattage if the tools allow that.
VersaceUpholstery@reddit
1660super greatly outperforms a 7600x iGPU. The iGPU is slower than a 1050/1050ti, which the 1660super is at least decently faster than
It’s possible the 10100f was holding the 1660super back to the point where it ran like shit.
a4840639@reddit
I guess you were just CPU bottlenecked on these games
Pumciusz@reddit
Every 7000 and 9000 other than the ones with "F".
BaronB@reddit
All but the 7500F, which is the 7600 with the iGPU disabled.
TryToBeModern@reddit
???